Keys Writings 2015, Part 12

This entry is part 13 of 73 in the series 2015

May 23, 2015

Higher Planes and Vibration

I also understand that Book IV concerns the physical universe. However, the physical universe is dependent upon the vibrations of the higher planes. So, your statement made me question my cosmic map. I had always supposed that the Singularity vibrated from the planes of the Cosmic Divine down to the planes of the Cosmic Physical in succession, AND, each time the physical/etheric was to manifest, it subsequently collapsed all the way back to a vibration-less state, beyond the plane of the Cosmic Divine/Divine. Is this accurate?

OR, do the so-called “formless” higher planes sustain their respective vibrations throughout all physical/etheric Incarnations (Physical Big Bangs)? I.e., do the higher planes not collapse, between the periods in which the physical manifests (Bangs) and collapses and Bangs and collapses, many hundreds of times?

JJ

I must say Adam that you have been doing some heavy duty contemplating. Such activity often brings up more questions than answers, but it keeps life interesting.

The seven planes in which we dwell compose just the higher physical plane on the cosmic level. In other words, all that we are capable of comprehending, and more, is just one plane of seven in what is called the seven cosmic planes.

By using the Law of Correspondences we can assume that since our physical plane universe folds up that the higher physical plane would do something similar. Since the higher physical plane consists of all seven of our planes this would indicate that all seven of our planes would eventually go back to the singularity.

On the other hand, because the properties of the higher planes are so much different than the lower planes their return to a singularity would be much different. It might be called something like “the rest or sleep of intelligence.”

The physical, astral and mental planes are called the three worlds of form and as such are composed of vibrations as we scientifically understand the term.

In the higher planes form and vibration is not something that provides for a vehicle of experience as we understand the term, but is something seen in thought and imagination. If you imagine a house or a wavelength you are not creating form and vibration as we understand it, but you are seeing what can be.

But when you manifest those images in the worlds of form you do so by the use of vibration and form that can interact with other forms.

The three worlds of form, the physical, the emotional and the mental give us plenty of mysteries to unravel. Some can access the intuitional or higher, but few have given any details as to what these higher planes are like.

Some who undergo the first stages of spiritual contact merely exclaim that the experience is beyond words, but in reality nothing is beyond words, for all is created by the Word which is God.

Paul said that he saw things unlawful to reveal and some take that to mean that he couldn’t put the experience in words, but that is not what he said. All experiences can be put in words, but the higher thoughts will only be fully understood by those on the same level as the words themselves.

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Allan:

If you take notice, the vast majority of the posts on JJ’s forum deal with external phenomena — whether it be phenomena in the physical realm, phenomena in the astral realms, and an external hierarchy of masters and various diversities of external powers and associations. In contradistinction, the vast majority of the posts on the Nazirene forums deal with the inner diversity, powers and patterns of one’s own mind and being.

JJ

ROTFLMAO

That is like Peewee Herman telling Dwayne Johnson that it is he who is into heavy lifting whereas Dwayne just plays Hopscotch with the girls.

First of all, your group spends almost no time in discussing the real inner world and the principles thereof. You think that just saying the word “inner” and catch phrases that mean little or nothing is exploring the inner.

Well, it isn’t.

Saying catch words and phrases like dimensions of the mind, cosmology of mind and being, hologram, quantum, higher soul self, allegory, Plato’s Cave, Kingdom of God within, spiritual DNA etc mean little if they are jus thrown out with no explanation of the principles. Just throwing out an uncommon vocabulary while not demonstrating any explanation of the principles involved is what is true astralism. DK would probably call this the astral glamour of superior knowledge.

What I introduce here for discussion has nothing to do with astralism. Instead, we concentrate on principles which are the true language of the soul – not the dead words of ancient scripture as you suppose. Instead of using inner centered vocabulary that really keeps one in the world without, we introduce principles that cause the seeker to go within and reflect to understand. True principles come from the higher worlds, intuitive and above, whereas fancy sounding data and nothing else is where the true astralism resides.

Allan:

Neither is the true Western Gnostic concerned with external astral realms, teachers, gurus and masters — when the Greatest Teacher and Source of Knowledge lies within their own Consciousness, Mind and Being.

While we as a group on occasion do discuss astral realms and external phenomena, the primary focus is on the pattern and reality of one’s own mind and being — often portrayed as the Cosmology of Mind.

JJ

The problem is that you say over and over that you and your group seek the teacher within, but you do nothing to demonstrate that you do this. Instead, you rely on quotes from outer authorities when you teach and it appears the only real way to go within to find the soul is to go to you (an outer authority) and be regressed and directed to the higher self. I can’t find any guidance on your site about making inner contact on your own and receiving knowledge from within except quoting scriptures like, “the kingdom of God is within.”

Even Fundamentalists are aware of that scripture and can use it s they see fit.

I do not insinuate that the group has to come to me to be regressed or go through some procedure with me to contact their souls – which, in reality would merely be a thoughtform. I give them helpful information that they can use to do this on their own. And this is where true soul contact is made – through the individual’s own efforts, not by some thing done by an outer authority.

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More on KRISIS

Ken:

Satan did not want to procreate, and this is why he rebelled and took 1/3 of the angels with him,

JJ

That teaching is not in the Bible. Where did you get it?

Ken:

His teaching of karma and reincarnation gives mankind the idea that they can continue with their sinful lives, die, and then live again, thus denying the Truth concerning how “the soul who sins shall die.”

JJ

To die is to merely be separated from your physical body and all of us who sin (error) will die again and again until we correct our errors then one can extend life in the physical body as long as desired.

Compare reincarnation to the unjust God you worship, which if you have the misfortune to have the wrong belief system, God will bring you back from the dead, put you to shame and then burn you into oblivion with the excruciatingly painful second death of fire.

That is making a loving God into a devil of the worst kind.

Ken:

How can the day of KRISIS be more tolerable for Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom, and not as tolerable for Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum, IF the day of KRISIS is all about reincarnating again to continually face KRISIS until you “get it right.?”

JJ

Quite easy. This merely means that the people of Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom will be born into more hellish conditions than those of Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum. Perhaps the first was sent to North Korea and the second was sent to Cuba, which is not as bad.

According to your belief both groups will be burned up in the second death so there will be no difference in their judgment, which runs contrary to the words of Jesus.

Ken:

And here we have Yeshua telling us again about KRISIS:

Mt 12:36-37

36 “But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of KRISIS.

37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

This accounting for in the day of KRISIS, is this done many multiple times over many reincarnations? Is the justification and the condemnation which Yeshua speaks about, occurring separately, or do they occur together in the day of KRISIS?

JJ

As I said the modern word crisis comes from the Greek KRISIS and is very similar in meaning. If I talk about a day of crisis in my life am I saying that there will only be one crisis for an entire life or eternity? Of course not. That is plain silly. A life can have many days of crisis and our whole series of lives has many resurrections of KRISIS where we are judged and placed in different situations so we can be rewarded according to our works.

Ken:

Acts 17:30-31

30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, Elohim is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

This appointed day, is it the day of KRISIS, and can this day occur many times over the course of all people’s lives through many reincarnations, to give them opportunity to repent?

JJ

It appears that fixed day has already occurred:

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? John 9:39-40

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. John 12:31-32

It appears that the fixed day was the day he was crucified.

Even so, the world will be judged in numerous different ways in the future and several may have fixed days.

Ken:

Rom 2:5-8, 16

5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of Elohim,

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

16 on the day when, according to my gospel, Elohim will judge the secrets of men through Messiah Yeshua.

This day of wrath, when the righteous judgment of Elohim is revealed, is it multiple days throughout many lifetimes, or is it on ONE day where Elohim will judge the secrets of men?

JJ

We are judged one life at a time. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say there will only be one judgment and nothing else.

You emphasize this scripture:

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

According to your belief system this would be impossible. It would also be impossible without reincarnation. For instance, the scripture says:

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

There are many who have led into captivity and killed with the sword but who wound up dying peacefully in their sleep. So answer me this:

How would a person who killed with the sword, but died of a heart attack be able to fulfill this scripture and wind up getting killed with the sword?

The only way to do this is to be born again in the flesh.

Ken:

2Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Is this appearance before the judgment seat of Messiah ONLY for the wicked, or is it also for the good?

JJ

It is for both, of course and it shall be done by our own souls which are linked to the Christ.

Ken:

Oh, and look here:

1Jn 4:17 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of KRISIS; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

Why would someone, with whom love is perfected, which you would believe to be achieving the “resurrection of life,” have need of any confidence on or in the day of KRISIS? I thought you teach that only those with whom it is needed to BECOME as He is, would be required to enter into KRISIS again and again, until they achieved that goal?

JJ

First of all the word “perfected” here is not a good translation. It comes from TELEIOO which does not translate correctly into the English perfected but completed would be closer. It should read:

By this, love is completed with us. That is not to say that they were in the same state of spiritual progression as Christ, but that they were offering the same love of God that he did.

Concerning those who follows him Jesus said, “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” John 10:9

When a man treads the path of return he ceases to go to hellish lives but will go in and out of incarnation and find pasture, or pleasant places to incarnate.

Understanding and giving out love is just one of the ingredients to escape the wheel of rebirth, but even when one reaches the Resurrection of Life he can still incarnate again if he wants to. The higher you go the more freedom you have.

Here is some additional information on KISIS

Many of the exact meanings of Biblical words from the Greek and Hebrew have been lost and over the past millennia and much guesswork has been involved in translation. This is why one verse will have dozens of different wordings in the various translations giving a number of variations of meaning.

This verse in John is no exception for it is rendered a number of different ways. Translators translate KRISIS here as “damnation” “judgment and “condemnation” in the various Bibles.

The most accepted translation of this word is “Decision.” This is verified by Strong’s Concordance, the most valued authority in Bible translation. Most Bible and Greek scholars agree with this.

The common translation for the word in Bibles is “judgment.”

It is interesting to note that “decision” and “judgment” are the first two key words in the Keys of Knowledge.

A word with a core meaning of decision is often translated as “judgment” because the two words are so closely linked. After all what is a judgment but a weighted decision?

The fact that the Greek word KRISIS evolved into the English “crisis” gives us some additional hints as to the original meaning.

My dictionary gives two interesting definitions of this word:

(1) A crucial or decisive point or situation; a turning point.

(2) A point in a story or drama when a conflict reaches its highest tension and must be resolved.

Now the interesting thing about the Biblical Greek and Hebrew words is this. Many of them cannot be accurately translated with a single English word. Many of these ancient words are very rich in meaning and would take a whole paragraph to describe. Unfortunately, when translating an entire script it is impossible to elaborate on the meaning of each word so usually just a single word must be picked. When KRISIS evolved into English a new word had to be created to project its meaning. This new word was not decision, judgment, damnation, condemnation or any of the words mentioned by translators, but the new word “crisis.”

Crisis is related to the orthodox meaning of decision and judgment, but with a twist. The twist is a point of tension, or turning point that will lead to an entirely new path, usually one of correction. I therefore gave what I consider to be the most correct meaning of the word as “decision which leads to correction.” If I had to reduce it to a word I would use the word “correction.”

The final test of a correct translation is to go to every place in the Bible where the word is used and see if the word or phrase fits on a consistent basis.

The Bible translators do not use judgment in every case because it doesn’t seem to fit consistently.

For one thing the judgments mentioned in the scripture occur before the resurrection. How then can we have a resurrection of judgment when those coming back to life are already judged?

Let us take a look at a couple places where KRISIS is translated as something other than “judgment” and see if the word “correction” seems to fit better.

First of all let us look at the scripture in question:

“The hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation (KRISIS).” John 5:28-29

There is no basis at all to use the word “damnation” but a resurrection that places you in a situation where you are forced to make decisions which leads to correction makes sense. “resurrection of correction” thus fits in well here.

Here’s another:

Standard

“And this is the condemnation (KRISIS), that the light is come into the world…” John 3:19

With “correction”

“And this is the correction (KRISIS), that the light is come into the world…”

Standard

“Ye serpents, Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation (KRISIS) of hell?” Matt 23:33

With “correction”

“Ye serpents, Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the correction (KRISIS) of hell?”

In this context it is interesting that the hell that is our prison system are called “correctional” institutions.

We also find places where KRISIS is translated as “judgment” that it makes more sense to use “correction.”

For Instance:

Standard

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment (KRISIS).” Matt 12:36

With “correction”

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of correction (KRISIS).”

Standard

“But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment (KRISIS) and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” Luke 11:42

With “correction”

“But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over correction (KRISIS) and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Standard

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment (KRISIS) is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30

With “correction”

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my correction (KRISIS) is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30

Standard

“Now is the judgment (KRISIS) of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” John 12:31

With “correction”

“Now is the correction (KRISIS) of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

Standard

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (KRISIS).” Heb 9:27

With “correction”

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the correction (KRISIS).”

Standard

“Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment (KRISIS) upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly” Jude, Verses 14-15

With “correction”

“Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute correction (KRISIS) upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly”

Standard

“Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment (KRISIS) is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” Rev 14:7

With “correction”

“Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his correction (KRISIS) is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”

As I said no single word does the job. Correction, judgment and decision all fit fairly consistently, but what fits best of all is the core meaning of the modern word crisis which evolved from KRISIS – which is basically “a decision or situation which brings correction” – or if the wrong decision is made, disaster.

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Latuwr

It is very clear to me from the Scriptures that some of us mortals were known beforehand. Consider Abraham:

Genesis 18:19

19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of YAHWEH, to do justice and judgment; that YAHWEH may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Please notice several important things right here:

* Abraham did command His Seed to follow in His Footsteps according to YAHWEH.

* Abraham would receive what was promised based upon the Seed following in the Footsteps of Abraham.

* Here is what Abraham did do:

Genesis 26:5

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So, Abraham set the standard for anyone to arise and claim to be the Seed. It is evident that if anyone should desire to actually be Abraham’s Seed, then they must do as Abraham did do (please read John 8:39).

Here is a big problem for all those who believe in reincarnation. Exactly how many lifetimes did it take Abraham to become known of YAHWEH?

JJ Hundreds of them.

Latuwr

If indeed it took Abraham many lifetimes, then we must say that the knowledge of YAHWEH is actually incomplete and progressive based upon what Abraham must eventually accomplish.

JJ

Nonsense. It is based on God’s knowledge of our past, not our future. If you have a friend that has been reliable time and time again then you know you can trust him in the future. That is pretty simple.

Latuwr

If the deeds of Abraham are progressive, then the deeds of the Seed must also be progressive and, of course, it would take the Seed many lifetimes to follow the pattern set by Abraham if the Son is like unto the Father.

JJ

The seed of Abraham have already gone through many lifetimes and learned what is necessary to take the next steps required.

Latawr

If YAHWEH knows an individual, does not this knowledge require that YAHWEH also have knowledge of the individual beforehand.

JJ

And the reason God knows us beforehand is because we have incarnated many times and he knows our record from the Book o Life. That makes a lot more sense than him knowing us from some nebulous spirit existence before birth where we were not even tested.

Latawr

If YAHWEH actually knew Abraham beforehand, why did it take Abraham many lifetimes to completely obey YAHWEH if indeed Abraham was known by YAHWEH beforehand?

JJ

Why does it take anyone many steps of progress to obtain a skill or quality? Do you think Abraham was just born for no reason with spiritual and physical skills? Of course not. He developed then over numerous lifetimes.

Latawr

These are Scriptural Questions which are based upon what YAHWEH has said in HIS Word. I have found that reincarnationists do not like to answer Scriptural Questions. Like HaSatan, they do not like to expose their beliefs to the light of the Scriptures.

JJ

The light of the scriptures irrevocably prove reincarnation. Just read my two works, the Bible and Reincarnation and Eternal Lives.

Latawr:

Accordingly, I challenge reincarnationists to come to Lo Ammi and answer this specific question concerning Our Messiah Yahushua:

Exactly, how many incarnations were required for Messiah Yahushua to prove HIMSELF the Seed of Abraham?

Come now, Allan Cronshaw, come now, Joseph John Dewey, will you leave the safety of your own forums to defend your beliefs in a forum which advocates the Logos and Rhema of YAHWEH ELOHIM as the standard of truth?

JJ

That is not much of a challenge as you and Ken do not make much of an argument.

So far any evidence you and Ken present from the scriptures for one life is extremely weak.

And neither you or Ken answered my question as follows:

You emphasize this scripture:

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

According to your belief system this would be impossible. It would also be impossible without reincarnation. For instance, the scripture says:

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

There are many who have led into captivity and killed with the sword but who wound up dying peacefully in their sleep. So answer me this:

How would a person who killed with the sword, but died of a heart attack be able to fulfill this scripture and wind up getting killed with the sword?

It takes many lifetimes for Jesus or any of us to obtain liberation. You can’t even become a good spouse in one lifetime let alone proficient in all things necessary to satisfy the human spirit.

If you really want to do the works of Abraham you should go get several wives as he did.

The goal is not to be exactly like Abraham, but to commune with God, do great works and then move on to higher work beyond the physical plane.

May 25, 2015

Crystallization and Will

Ruth:

When one is “damned” and halted in their soul progression, then one cannot progress any further in that lifetime, and will have to wait until they reincarnate to correct their mistake/s. Yes?

JJ

When a pilgrim ceases to explore and learn in such a way that he is no longer headed in the direction of new realizations and seeing new vistas of light and knowledge his progression is said to be “damned”, or blocked for that life. DK uses the term “crystallization” and says that it affects about 90% of the population by the age of 53.

Now this doesn’t mean that the person will cease to do productive work or to learn within his sphere. Let us take a medical doctor, for example, who is 60 years old and crystallized. He practices orthodox medicine, reads his trade journals, treats his patients competently. What is the effect of crystallization on him?

It is this. Someone presents him with solid information on alternative cancer research and he automatically rejects it and shows no interest in testing it out of examining it with an open mind.

Another example would be an older musician. Maybe he wrote and performed some inspiring music in his younger years, but now can’t seem to write anything that brings back the old magic. He just plays his old hits over and over.

He is stuck and learning nothing new. Instead of branching out and stretching himself he relies on the tried and true to carry him through to the end if his days.

I thought it was great when Michael Jordan, often rated he best basketball player of all time, quit basketball to try his hand at baseball. I thought that was really great for someone so accomplished in one art to give a try at another.

Unfortunately, mastering a new sport was more difficult than he thought so he quit and went back on the easy path and played basketball again.

Now that he has retired let us hope that he is still considering some new goals that will challenge his ability.

People also crystallize in their belief systems. The person may be a member of an orthodox religion, a new ager, an ebonite, or even a student of the Bailey writings and have this problem.

Crystallization in belief is more difficult to prove because one who has not crystallized will not change his mind without good reason and is sometimes accused of stubbornness and crystallization. But he who has crystallized will not change his mind when the reasoning is good. In fact he will rarely examine the reasoning of other beliefs so he can truly understand them. Many will not read or study anything of substance outside of their comfort zone.

Ruth:

Did Wayne damn his soul progression, by not eating properly and then dying from heart disease?

In other words, he went against his soul, and catered to his lower desires to eat junk food etc? Or was he damned in his soul progression because he didn’t listen to your advice about eating right etc? Or was it a bit of both?

JJ

I don’t usually use the word “damned” in this context as it infers something much more drastic than a temporary slowing of progression.

In his first Saturn cycle of around 29 years Wayne had a very powerful will. I was amazed at how he could almost magically manifest anything he wanted through shear force of that will.

Now my talent in this life is to tap into Purpose and to bring it down to the physical plane. I believe that Wayne came into this life with a gift of Will to assist me in manifesting many of the things of which I write.

Unfortunately something happened along the way to thwart the plan. He married a lady he did not love and whenever a problem occurred instead of solving it with his wonderful will he started blaming everything that went wrong on her. After a few years he divorced her, but that did not end the blame game. When he could no longer blame his ex wife he started blaming “them” or the “system.” There always seemed to be some invisible hand out there that was causing him to fail. At one time he was on the road to untold riches and power, but as soon as he fell into the blaming trap he started to lose everything until he lost just about everything he owned.

About this time he told me of a dream he had of a beautiful bird that had immense power and freedom. Then something happened to it that turned it wretched and powerless. He asked me what it could mean

I told him the meaning was obvious and the bird was himself and that he had lost his beautiful power of will.

Anyway, despite his blockage he remained a good supportive friend for the rest of his life and I always valued our talks together. He was very intelligent and good hearted. I always wished he could have kept that beautiful bird alive and well.

It is not just one thing like diet that hold us back, but the whole package. The disciple must always examine all parts of his life so he can make maximum progress.

I am sure that Wayne is in deep contemplation in the Spirit world seeking to engineer a more productive life in the next attempt. I am confident we will meet again in the flesh as well as the spirit.

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The Synthesis Project

Dan writes:

What exactly IS “the project” again? If I understood correctly we were to “search out spiritual non dogmatic groups and their contact information” with whom we may be able to synthesize.

But if you have a way to “gather many hundreds of possible groups and influential people” then that is probably not necessary. (?)

So, where are we? What is needed to further develop “the project” at this point?

Did you elaborate on this and I missed it? I am interested also in helping. I am working on my project that might dove tail into this and help gather people who are looking for change and a better world etc…

JJ

First let me reference my original post on this so the details can be reviewed. You can read it HERE

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Keysters/conversations/topics/75293

The basic idea is to gather spiritual groups loosely together into one master web site where we can post the best of their writings, stories, blogs, events etc.

Right now there is no synthetic site for alternative thinking which would include alternative spiritual teachings as well as health and healing.

Perhaps the closest is at Spirit Web where old timers will remember used to be the home of the Keys, until they quit hosting group discussions.

Now they make available a large number of writings, but not much group interaction.

You can find Spirit Web HERE

http://www.spirit-web.org/

Perhaps the Huffington Post is the closest to what I have in mind. It started out as a fairly left leaning political site and branched out into many different divisions. It sold for a third of a billion dollars about ten years ago, but is probably worth much more today.

A Huffington Post link is HERE

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

The site I have in mind would be much more specialized but could still have a wide appeal. It could not only be a medium which would provide opportunity for spiritual people and groups to interact, but could provide opportunity for the teachings here to get a much wider exposure.

As far as help goes, yes we will need lots of help to get this going. I have ideas as to how to run down the needed groups, but it will take a lot of leg work. I’ll share them with those who participate.

As I contemplate this project I see it is bigger than I have time to head up myself. It will not only take a lot of time but also some financial investment. The investment could pay off well as if it is successful it could be a great source of advertising revenue.

What we need is for someone to sep forward who is willing to invest time and money to get this going. This person (or persons) would be the owner of the site and I would be a consultant.

This could be an important project, but I still have to reserve as much time as possible to continue writing and other projects. I can’t afford the risk of running myself too thin.

So… if someone takes this on it could not only be spiritually rewarding, but financially also, if done right.

If anyone is interested please let me know.

May 28, 2015

Using an Open Mind

Clay:

JJ your spiritual views and the views of this forum are too tied to politics and libertariansim. This forum seems to regard anything else as being “from the beast” so I am not really interested in debating on those principles. Also, Rand was a positive materialist, she rejected all notions of spirituality, mysticism and occultism, and thought all christian altruistic principles abhorrent. She thinks altruism is a mental illness, so anyone who subscribes to Rand and her principles, rejects every principle I think is worth working for in the world. You either work for Service to Self, or for Service to Others. Rand might have been an initiate, but it was of the Left Hand Path of Service to ones Self. Rands entire path is one of the elevation of the ego self to godhood.

JJ

After spending several months responding to you it now appears that you need any writer or teacher to agree with your mindset to a very high degree before you find anything of value. For you to like Bernie Sanders must mean that you agree with him politically on almost everything he says.

Just because a person doesn’t agree with you does not mean that they he little or nothing to say.

Yeah, I also spiritually disagree with Ayn Rand, but that certainly doesn’t mean she is on any left hand path or that all her ideas should be discounted. Many born againers have this approach, thinking that no atheist can say anything of value. This is entirely incorrect as many atheists and people of all belief systems can come up with great ideas.

Steve Jobs had a domineering personality like Rand, but that does not diminish his accomplishments with Apple.

Anyone who supports the principle of freedom for others has not yet taken the left hand path for those on the left hand path seek to take away freedom of choice of others to enhance their own. Of course, those who are on the left hand path will not admit this but when you examine their actual deeds their actions never increase the freedom of the whole.

I read your favorite author and disagreed with quite a few things, but also found some good things.

You read my favorite author and find nothing of value. You might ask yourself, “Is my vision clouded because of my preconceived notions?”

Both authors have heart and intelligence in my opinion.

Glad Sarah is reading the books. I was somewhat surprised by her view of Elizabeth in the book as a weak female, like a humble Mormon lady. I’ve never receive a negative comment on her before including from my wife that she is patterned after – and my wife has never had anything to do with the Mormon church. She is a strong lady not at all resembling the stereotype Mormon subservient wife.

Elizabeth’s weakness, seen by your wife, had to be placed there to make the story successfully move ahead.

Sometimes when you are watching a movie and you see the character doing something stupid you feel like shouting at the screen, thinking you would be a lot smarter than that. Maybe so, but when you examine the principles of writing and plot you can usually see why they had to make the character do what he did. Sometimes I think I could have written the story so the character didn’t have to do the dumb thing, but other times I have to admit there was no other way to make the story move successfully ahead.

On the other hand, I know from experience that both men and women are fully capable of high stupidity, so most readers or viewers accept dumb actions as entirely within the realm of possibility.

May 30, 2015

Human Weakness

Sarah (Clays wife) says that she would have thought for herself and rejected the doctor’s advice or the directive of the guru and wouldn’t have needed anyone to heal herself of MS.

Well, this is entirely possible and would make her one of the few who would take such a path, but let me give two examples of strong women I have known who followed the same path as Elizabeth.

The first one is known by many here on the Keys and this was Glenys. We all saw her as a strong female and she saw herself as such and often expressed his belief. I recall that she once told me she had difficulty in keeping a boyfriend because men were intimidated by her strength.

Then, as many remember, she got cancer. Since she was into the raw foods and natural diet, and all kinds of alternative things as well as being a proclaimed strong woman one would guess that working with orthodox medicine would have been her last choice.

Wrong. It was her first choice.

She gave me a lengthy explanation (almost apologetically) as to why she was going the orthodox route, but it didn’t make any sense to me except for one thing.

I think she was frightened by the diagnosis and intimidated by the doctors. And who can blame her? My sister died, not from cancer, but from the treatment because the doctors convinced her that the alternatives would just allow the cancer to kill her. I would imagine that Glenys felt a lot like my sister. When one is threatened by cancer, MS or some other deadly problem they often are scared into the orthodox route. This is the norm rather than the exception.

Unfortunately, both Glenys and my sister died shortly after taking radiation treatments.

The other comment on Elizabeth’s weakness was the willingness to get naked with Philo.

I got the idea for this story ingredient from a real life example related to me by my nephew, Curtis, who had a girlfriend who was indeed considered a strong woman. Now Curtis has a strong personality and has dominated every girlfriend he has had but this one. This one had her own business, made a lot more money than he did and he didn’t seem to dominate her at all. If anything, it was the other way around.

One day they attended a symposium given by this guru that Curtis wanted to check out. It seemed like a normal presentation until the guru started talking about the importance of freedom and told everyone to stand up. Everyone stood up. Then he ordered them all in firm language to take off all their clothes. Everyone kind of looked at each other, somewhat puzzled at first, but then he restated the order letting them know that he was serious.

Within a few seconds a few started to comply which seemed to create a chain reaction and then most, including Curtis, were completely in the buff. His girlfriend was the last of a couple hundred people attending to resist, but when she saw that everyone was naked except for her she thought, “what the hell” and then disrobed.

When Curtis told me this story I told him I was surprised that everyone complied, even his iron willed girlfriend. I wasn’t surprised he complied, as he does not embarrass easily. I then said that I would imagine that if someone had herpes or some embarrassing physical problem that they would not have complied.

He smiled and said that a lady close to him did have herpes, but that didn’t stop her.

This just shows the power that a thoughtform can have and many who think they can resist such a thing are surprised at their actions when placed in the right situation.

This is why Jesus told us to be careful how we judge. Many seekers do not know what they will do in a circumstance until they have been there.

May 31, 2015

Sending and Receiving

Clay:

You don’t think that the masters are also receiving Ruth.. We all both send and receive because we are all both feminine and masculine, we just differ in balance. also their is no relationship anywhere, that is all one way. This all or nothing thinking is not very synthetic.

JJ

You really need to read up on the teachings here because that is what I have been teaching from the beginning. That was why

Did Jesus’s Karma end? was so frustrated with your statement about the teachings here on male/females is that it was extremely far far off the mark. No one here believes that we are all (100%) either in the sending or receiving mode.

I think we all believe here that each of us have male and female energies within us and we need to balance them off, as one will always dominate more than the other. For instance, in relation to the people on the internet forums you are obviously more in the sending (male) mode more than Sarah and you send to others on a number of forums regularly while she reads and receives (female mode). That doesn’t mean that she doesn’t send (male) when she deems it appropriate – or that you do not receive (female). I would think that you need to hone in on your receiving (female) side though so you do not misrepresent what is posted here.

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Karma, Group and Individual

Jim:

Did Jesus’ Karma end?

JJ

No, it did not. To say karma ends is to say cause and effect ends and cause and effect is eternal. Jesus still has karma to work out in relation to the Jews, the Christian Church and to the world. He must come again to assist in balancing things out.

Kelly asks is karma affects us beyond our individual actions. Are we subject to family, group, racial and world karma?

The answer is a definite yes.

Let us start with the world itself. It is obvious to any thinking person that there are many effects that come to each individual from all the lives interacting in the world that have little to do with our individual karma.

If we had a nuclear war tomorrow and most of the population were destroyed there would be many innocent people affected whose karma didn’t really warrant such a disaster. But what happens to the world as a whole is not related to any individual karma, but the karma of life on earth as a whole entity.

The same ting goes with national karma. In the founding of the Unite States enough people stood up for freedom that a uniquely free country was created and enjoyed by many who were against the concept to begin with. The consciousness of the young nation as a whole determined the karma of the whole, not the minority who supported King George.

We can also see racial karma working out. It was mentioned that in early history that the Jews supported genocide, and then later suffered it themselves. The blacks suffered slavery and oppression, not many years ago, and now there are many trying to give them an extra helping hand to compensate.

Groups such as churches and various institutions also have collective karma. One of the groups we are most subject to karma are family and soul groups. These two are closely connected because there are usually several members of your soul group in your extended family.

You and your close associates who incarnate together over and over are a group cause and suffer or reap group effects.

Let us take Mitt Romney and his Dad, George, for example. They are in the same family and I believe the same soul group making them closely linked.

When George was running for President he was ahead in the polls and it looked like he was going to beat Nixon out of the nomination. Then he had his eyes opened about some of the problems of Vietnam and made the statement that he was previously “brainwashed” on the war.

The press and many powers that be attacked him as being brainwashed way beyond what was warranted and in a few days his ratings sank like nothing I have seen and Nixon glided on to the nomination.

I have always thought that his treatment was unjust and when Mitt ran for the president I assumed that George, from beyond the grave, would consider it a payback if his son could have the positive karma owed to him so Mitt could get the nomination. And it did turn out that Mitt did get the nomination, but apparently that is all the further the good karma took him. He was in his own when running as the nominee.

As far as individual karmas go, our soul guides us so we balance the scales of cause and effect, but all other lives and their karma has to be a part of that equation.

Then we come to the individual who is a god to his own universe of lives of several trillion cells and more. All the lives in your body are subject to your decisions which you make.

And what if we did blow the world up and you were one of the good guys who did not deserve such karma?

You would definitely see it as an inconvenience but if your karma warranted it you could transfer to another planet where conditions are better so you can indeed reap the good that you have sowed.

In the end balance is always achieved.

Be like the bird who, pausing in her flight awhile on boughs too slight, feels them give way beneath her, and yet sings, knowing she has wings.

Victor Hugo

June 2, 2015

More on Female Masters

Ruth Writes:

That is why I am interested in how Masters of Wisdom could be female “Masters”, when DK says this:

“As DK says, the mind is the “plane whereon the masters can be found.”

JJ

Because the masters can be found on the plane of the mind does not mean that it is not accessible or used by others. The plane of higher mind overlaps into accessible consciousness of all intelligent life forms in this solar system and is the point of contact in common for lives from human up to the Solar Logos.

This would definitely include the Lords of Compassion. Even though they are polarized female and the female energy of emotion and intuition is their line of least resistance they also have access to mind, a male polarized plane.

The bottom line is that a Master of Wisdom could continue in a female body, if that is what he decides to do for some purpose, and a Lord of Compassion could be in a male body if that is what he wants.

Now keep in mind we are referring to masters as taught in the Bailey teachings. These are beings who have mastered the wisdom aspect and have obtained power over death to the extent that they can extend their lives in a physical body as long as is desired or needed. Others may merely call various teachers masters which may indicate a different mastery than someone like DK, KH or Jesus.

The sex of the bodies of those higher than the human kingdom are not itemized anywhere as I would guess it is not important for us to know and may just be a distraction if we did know.

It is interesting that DK calls all those he works with, whether in male or female bodies, his “brothers.” He has always referred to Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey as brothers, for instance. Apparently brotherhood is an association principle that encompasses both physical sexes.

Then we have this strange scripture from the Gospel of Thomas which was brought up recently:

Simon Peter said to them, “Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.” Jesus said, “Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.”

JJ

I doubt that this statement reflects the actual words of Jesus as it even contradicts his previous words in the same book:

(He says you enter the kingdom of God) when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female…

That last statement would have been more accurate if it had said something like:

For every female who makes herself male and every male who makes himself female will enter the kingdom of Heaven so long as he follows the voice of the God Within.”

The male energy is sending and the female receiving and we must master both sending and receiving to enter the kingdom.

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How many fundamentalist sites do you know of that believes mankind was placed under sin on purpose (by Elohim) with no way out from under that slavery, except through the redemption found in Messiah.

JJ
The Mormons and a number of others believe this. What is your point?

Ken

With that being said, can I ask you a question? What is the catalyst that redeems you from your former way of life, when you lived as a slave to sin (assuming you have repented from that former way of life, the “old man”?

JJ

The Greek from which the word “sin” was translated in the New Testament comes from HAMARTIA which is derived from HAMARTANO which means “to miss the mark.” In other words, when the Greeks 2000 years ago shot at a target with an arrow and missed they “sinned” (HAMARTANO) or missed the target. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon tells us that the Greeks also used it to mean “an error in understanding.”

People largely miss the mark because they listen to outer authorities above the voice of God which speaks within. This misplaced attention is indeed the cause of most of the error or sins of mankind.

A sin I used to be subject to was the error that the Bible was to be followed no matter what. Then additional light came and I realized that the scriptures were a tool of the beast to control people – that the only thing we can trust is the voice of the God within.

So in answer to your question it was the light of the Spirit of God that freed me from the old man who had the scriptures for his personal beast. May you seek the same freedom.

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And why should one bow down to the masters you designate any more than the Eck Master in Eckankar? They didn’t ask me for money when I visited them but just wanted me to blindly accept that I needed their living master to escape the wheel of rebirth. I felt absolutely no need to accept someone as some living master that knew less than I did.

Scientology also operates on this similar extreme devotion idea.

From what I have read in the book you referenced it sounds like seekers are not to be inspired by a teacher, but controlled and dominated by him to the point of even worshiping the dust kicked up by his feet. The writer mentions the kingdom within but insists that we need a master without to hold our hand to get there.

We are supposed to light candles but not by making others into groveling to beastly control. After receiving inspiration from a teacher one has to work out his spiritual progression on his own.

As to my connections or status – there is no need for me to say as my words testify of where I am as do yours and every other seeker.

Here are DK’s actual words on devotion:

I have told you much; yet at the same time I have told you nothing which would lead you to offer me that blind obedience and the foolish devotion which the emotional aspirant offers to the Guru and Master Whom he is as yet unable to contact. Nor will he make that desired contact until he has transmuted emotional devotion into unselfish service to humanity not to the Master.

This was deemed an important statement for it is in the introduction to all his books.

Copyright 2015 by J J Dewey