Timelines and Clarifications

Posted July 18, 2010

Comments on Chapter 27 of Mission Experiences at:
Here

John C writes:

I’m trying to put together a time line. You first arrived in England in 1964. You were born in February 1945, so you must have been right around 19 when you came to England, the standard age for LDS missionaries. (I didn’t go until I was 20 because I wanted to work a year and earn some money.)

For a standard English-speaking mission, you would have been over there 2 years, which would have made you 21, in the year 1966.

JJ
So far so good

John C
You then came back to America, and didn’t return to England until sometime in the middle of 1970.

JJ
I returned in October 1970.

John C
So, you were then about 25. So you were able to survive the peer pressure from the church to get married for 4 and a half years without giving in to it. Though you dated several girls, such as Rhea and sent pictures of them to Bob in England. Is that right?

JJ
Correct and yes, there was a lot of pressure to get married quickly after a mission in those days.  I had a lot of people asking me when I was going to get hitched. I dated quite a few interesting girls but none of them garnered approval from within. Rhea was the one that really captivated me though.

John C
But, you remained a faithful member of the Church, yet learned how to regress people back to the past. And nobody in the church had a problem with that?

JJ
I had always done a number of activities that many considered questionable.  You might recall my account about hypnotizing people in the church when I was 16 and being called in by the Bishop.

John C
But later on, when your nephew circulated some essays you wrote, the church brought you up on charges and excommunicated you.

JJ
That was different because it was a challenge to the church’s authority.

John C
You mentioned that you used regression techniques borrowed from L Ron Hubbard, but you also mentioned that your first contact with Scientology was on a visit to Salt Lake City with your nephew Curtis, which I presume was much later in your life. So, if the methods you used with your friend Bob weren’t from Scientology, I’m wondering where you learned them, living in Boise, Idaho in the 60’s.

JJ
That trip to Salt Lake was not my first contact with Scientology.  Shortly before returning to England I had already studied it.   Of course, there was no center in Boise, but I studied their books and at that time was very enthused about it.

In fact this produced one of the points of friction between us.  I took her to visit the Saint Hill Center in London and she thought it was a bunch of hockey and thought I was wasting my time investigating this and the many other avenues I found interesting.

John C
Also, I’m wondering how it was that Bob, who seems to be a good and faithful member of the church, was willing to let you regress him like that. It sounds unusual, though anything is possible, I suppose. I guess you were able to convince him that it was OK and consistent with the Gospel?

JJ
Bob was not your typical member but was his own man.  That was one of the things I liked about him.  You may recall that he also defied tradition and went around healing members by himself with no companion.

John C
This sounds like sometime in the future. And you were there with Margaret, not your current wife. Does this mean you are supposed to get back together in the future? Or, are you going to have plural wives? 🙂

JJ
I thought someone would pick up on that – and yes this definitely deals with the future and not the past.

I have found that many true visions reveal some core truth of importance, but many of the details do not exactly come to pass as they are usually built on the receivers thoughts created from his belief system.

It is remotely possible I could have Margaret for a wife in the future and any time in the future the choice will have to be mine so she would have to be quite a different person than she is now.

John C
I hope we find out why Margaret was so important for your mission. Obviously, the marriage ended in divorce because you have mentioned that you are on your third marriage.

JJ
I’ll cover some of this as the story continues.

John C
So you then brought Margaret back to the states and married her? Is this the wife that you had seven children with? All of whom you delivered at home? So, allowing time to return to America and to plan the marriage, let’s guess that you two got married in 1971.

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JJ
We got married in England September 1970, It seems like it was the 29th.

Then assuming that your seven children came at the rapid rate of 1 per year and there were no twins, your last child was born about 1978? Wasn’t that about the time you and Curtis were excommunicated?

JJ
I was married to her until 1982.  We didn’t divorce right after I was excommunicated.  She thought I was going to be like Paul and have a startling conversion and come back to the faith.  It wasn’t til then that the Spirit released me from my commitment, something I never expected to happen.

John C

So, by 1978 when you were excommunicated and when you wrote “Eternal Lives” and the first draft of “Infallible Authority”, if I understand correctly from reading your posts (Posts 1417, 1676, 2140), and also the year you believe that the Avatar of Synthesis started working with the Christ and humanity (Post 2115). You owned a successful real estate business and were fully engaged in new age teaching and practices, which your wife did not support…

JJ
Yes, this was a key period in my life and I have not yet told the whole story.

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