- Finding the Real, Part 1
- Finding the Real, Part 2
- Finding the Real, Part 3
- Finding the Real, Part 4
- Finding the Real, Part 5
- The Intuition, Part 1
- The Intuition, Part 2
- The Intuition, Part 3
- The Intuition, Part 4
- The Intuition, Part 5
- The Intuition, Part 6
- The Intuition, Part 7
- Knowing the Truth, Part 1
- Knowing the Truth, Part 2
- Knowing the Truth, Part 3
- Knowing the Truth, Part 4
- Knowing the Truth, Part 5
- The Last Life, Part 1
- The Last Life, Part 2
- The Last Life, Part 3
- The Last Life, Part 4
- The Last Life, Part 5
- Past and Future Lives, Part 1
- Past and Future Lives, Part 2
- Past and Future Lives, Part 3
- Past and Future Lives, Part 4
- Past and Future Lives, Part 5
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 1
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 2
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 3
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 4
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 5
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 6
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 7
- The Birth of the Christ Within, Part 8
- What is Love? Part 1
- What is Love? Part 2
- What is Love? Part 3
- What is Love? Part 4
- What is Love? Part 5
- Zion, Part 1
- Zion, Part 2
- Zion, Part 3
- Zion, Part 4
- Zion, Part 5
- Zion, Part 6
- Zion, Part 7
- Zion, Part 8
- Zion, Part 9
A person first begins his series of lifetimes as a human when he reaches self-consciousness. We have not always been self-consciousness beings. There is an eternal part of us that has always had the self-consciousness potential but when we came down here and incarnated into our physical bodies we had a life which was our first life in which we aware where we think, “hey I am me and I am separate from everybody else, I am a distinct person.” This is illustrated in the Bible where Adam all of a sudden wanted to wear clothes. First of all he and his wife were running around the garden naked and did not even think of wearing clothes. Then when they attained the knowledge of good and evil they became aware that they were naked. It says and he wanted to clothe himself. The fact we want to cover ourselves to be distinct from everyone else wearing different clothes is a sign of self-consciousness.
Now you look at an animal and they don’t care if they run around naked at all – they do not care what they do. They will go to the bathroom in the middle of the floor, they will have sex on the table with a thousand people watching and they just do not care. Before we reached self-consciousness we were that way. When we reach self-consciousness all of sudden it dawns on us at one point that we are concerned about what other people are thinking and so this is where self-consciousness began.
Audience: Are you counting the thousand lifetimes in with this period?
JJ: The thousand lifetimes begins when we become self-consciously aware. Does anyone know who the first self-conscious man was? The first Adam is called “The Ancient of Days” and another name for Him is Santa Kumara and he came here 23 million years ago from the planet Venus. He did not come from the physical planet Venus but came from a higher etheric level of Venus where there is life. He came here with approximately two hundred other Kumara’s of very high standing that had evolved through the human kingdom in a past solar system. In other words, look at a time before our sun even existed, way back in a previous round of solar systems.
These beings evolved through the human kingdom and became Masters and now They have come back to do other work to help us lower lives develop. And so came a time to plant, to stimulate life on the earth. They came here 23 million years ago and built the Great Foundations of the city of Shamballa. They stayed here about 5 million years before the preparations were complete and when the preparations were complete all but seven of the Kumara’s left and went back to Venus. Seven of them stayed here which was Sanat Kumara and six of His disciples. The Ancient of Days looked upon the animal man who was not self-conscious and felt sorry for them and he felt that They could stimulate evolution by incarnating into one of their bodies and stimulating the rest of them. So what Sanat Kumara did was He incarnated and was born a regular human being and he became the first self conscious man. As he grew up He was such a high intelligence that even though this was in a lower body which almost looked like an animal body compared to the bodies we have today, He grew up with self-consciousness and began to stimulate the other animal men around Him This happened over 18 million years ago.
Audience: Was His ability to express Himself in His intelligence limited by the size of the brain at that time?
JJ: Yes, even He, as intelligent as He was in that animal man, probably had a real hard time figuring out how to make fire. Actually, He may not have even been intelligent enough to make fire at that time. His main mission was to stimulate self-consciousness. So He was born, He stimulated self-consciousness and we have no record of how many were self-conscious during his life but He stimulated it in a small group and then that small group began to create a chain reaction.
Audience: Are we talking about cave men?
JJ: Yes they were like cave men with all kinds of animals that we do not have now.
Audience: So the cave man of the time did not have consciousness and behaved like a pack of wild animals?
JJ: Yes eighteen million years ago that which became human was more animal than man and as a matter of fact the higher animals ate them for food and they had a heck of a time just surviving. It took all their intelligence just to keep from being eaten by lions, dinosaurs or whatever there was back then. They had all kinds of threats that we can only imagine and their whole attention was put on just surviving. But The Ancient of Days incarnated and began to stimulate their minds and then it tells us that the sons of mind descended and as their consciousness began to evolve they began to tap into what is called the solar angel. The solar angel is a being that has evolved in a previous solar system and many of them have come to the earth to help to stimulate our evolution and sometimes they are called our guardian angel or whatever but our Solar Angel is a Master on Its own plane. Sanat Kumara and the Masters that came from Venus brought with them these Solar Angels to stimulate our evolution.
Audience: I thought my higher angel was my higher self?
JJ: Yes the Solar Angel is called your higher self because it is so connected with you that it comes to nourish you.
Audience: So the Solar Angel could be Robs and mine together and it is my higher self and his higher self?
JJ: We are not told all the details, although it is possible that one Solar Angel could stimulate and assist a number of people but we are not given the number that they work with. But after the Solar Angel has done its job and you have made soul contact then the Solar Angel will leave and return from whence it came. Then you will be on your own and will be a soul infused personality and it will have done its job. Its job is to nurture you. Think of us like a plant and when the plant grows and begins to bear fruit then the farmer’s work is done so to speak. Then the plant can reproduce itself so to speak.
Wayne: In Paleontology as far as I know and in the sciences we have been finding humanoids of one sort or another and attributing them to an earlier and earlier period of existence and according to the scuttlebutt of the science of today I think the oldest human or animal human is only around 6 million years so by the scenario we just went through there should be some sort of skeletal humanoid remains that would be this old.
JJ: Well you would think so but like in the coalmines in Pennsylvania a couple thousand feet below the earth they have actually found residual artifacts that are only a couple thousand years old. Now if something only a couple thousand years old can be buried in a coal mine 200 feet below the surface imagine where the artifacts are that are millions of years old. It is amazing even going back a couple thousand years they figure there were some tremendous upheavals and some beyond that. Some other things that are interesting is that I even read about an artifact that they found that they believe is like a billion years old that is definitely human made, they have not found any bones over like 4 to 6 million years but they have found some artifacts that are human made that goes back in antiquity.
Wayne: They found amphibians and quite a paleontology record of animals according to DK that co-existed with man if man is 15 million years old but although we have a fairly good fossil record of millions and millions of years and we have not recorded anything in them that is definitively human to date.
JJ: Yes we do have it yet but it is amazing when I was a kid I think they figured that we only went back a few thousand years and then it was half a million years and then it was a million and then two million years and now six million years and they are going back farther all the time as far as discovering remnants of man. They have definitely found man made artifacts that go back much farther than the first bones that they found. I heard some guy talking about it on one of the coast-to-coast shows and will have to look it up on one of the web sites there. So it is interesting but figuring if we have been here 18 million years. Many people say how could we possibly live very many lifetimes because we have so many people here and a lot of people figure that we have the most people now living here on the earth than at any other time on our history. But what they do not figure is that there have been upheavals many times and if we have been here for 18 million years that gives us time to live quite a few lifetimes. Take one million years for instance, if you were born every thousand years for one million years that is a thousand lifetimes right there. When I have taken people back by past life regression within the past thousand years the average person has lived two or three lifetimes within the past thousand years and they have not really lived as many lifetimes a thousand years before then because there were not as many people.
The first thing we learn is self-consciousness and what is the second thing that we learn? In self-consciousness what we do is we develop everything around us and start to be aware. Now an animal is in preparation for human consciousness and the main thing that the animal has to learn is to pay attention. This revelation dawned on me one time when I noticed that whenever I was going to eat anything in the kitchen that my dog, no matter where he was in the house, would materialize by my side as soon as I would think about eating. he would be right there with his tongue out wanting some food.
I thought, how in the world does this dog know this. Is he reading my mind; is he physic? How does he know I am thinking about eating? He was just sleeping upstairs and I woke him from his sleep just by thinking about eating. So I started experimenting and I found that whenever I opened the refrigerator or the cupboard door that was signal to him that I was going to eat. He was not reading my mind but he was paying attention and heard the creak of the door. I noticed that all animals are like that. They really pay close attention and put a lot of attention on survival. This paying of attention is very stimulating evolutionary wise and preparing them for the next step into the human kingdom where they attain self-consciousness and then they put attention on developing that self-conscious and developing it. The next thing they learn as we progress along is to develop the instinct.
Now go to the primitive peoples on the planet and they have tremendous instincts and they are in touch with the animals and we hear the stories about the Indian putting his ear to the ground and he can hear the buffalo roaming twenty miles away. They are very sensitive. People in their native condition are very sensitive. This is where we spent our early lives – in the native condition. The native condition is very in tune with the earth and before a native will kill an animal he will give thanks to the animal and the great spirit for giving its life so that he and the group he is a part may continue with life. Then they will shoot it and eat it and they will have these ceremonies around it. They often name their children after animals like running bear or whatever. Animal names are often associated with primitive people and so we develop that instinct where we are very much in tune and in communication with nature. Once we get these instincts perfected then what do we do next?
Wayne: Animals have instincts so where is the transition?
JJ: Because that instinct is registered in the conscious mind. Where animals act like a computer program, their instincts are more like a computer program where ours are more consciously held and we consciously tune into the instincts and are aware of the instincts. The animal is not even aware that they are following instinct but the conscious man is aware. The conscious man develops that power to be consciously aware of the instincts in an instinctive world along with self-consciousness. Then he develops the next step – does anyone have an idea of what that would be? It is above the self- conscious and the instinctual world.
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When you bring up Sanat Kumara, the first Adam, the Ancient of Days, I think of Brigham Young’s Adam God theory. Is this what Brigham Young was referring to? The other question I have: If what you are saying is true, then Sanat Kumara does not appear to be the Father of our spirits. If not, then who is the Father our spirits? Who is our Heavenly Father, the one Jesus Christ referred when he said, “I go to your God and my God”?
Brigham had a rough idea about Adam God but did not know the details.
Our spirits were not created through heavenly parents having physical sex as taught in m Mormonism. We are eternal beings and have always been. Our essence has been stimulated by other beings and we basically create ourselves with the help of others who have progressed far beyond us. The form you have now was designed by you in conjunction with higher lives and was different in past lives. After each live you participate in designing a more perfect body.
Romans 8:16 “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Psalms: 82:6 “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.”
Ephesians 1:3 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:”
Matthew 18:35 “So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.”
JJ, Are we not to take the words “children” and “Father” literally here, but figuratively?
Also, when Jesus speaks of his heavenly Father, is he referring to Sanat Kumara?
Notice that Joseph Smith in the King Follett Discourse did not teach the idea of heavenly parents giving birth to our spirits.
We say that God himself is a self-existent being. Who told you so? It is correct enough; but how did it get into you heads? Who told you that man did not exist in like manner upon the same principles? Man does exist upon the same principles. God made a tabernacle and put a spirit into it, and it became a living soul. (Refers to the old Bible.) How does it read in the Hebrew? It does not say in the Hebrew that God created the spirit of man. It says “God made man out of the earth and put into him Adam’s spirit, and so became a living body.” The mind or the intelligence which man possesses is co-equal with God himself.
Intelligence is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle. It is a spirit from age to age, and there is no creation about it. All the minds and spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible of enlargement. End Quote
There is no outside creation to our spirit essence. The form we have now had a beginning at our physical birth and changes from age to age or life to life. There are those who assist and have assisted in our progress and in a sense they are fathers and mothers to us.
Our highest spiritual essence is our eternal father in heaven but higher lives are also referred to as our fathers. Melchizedek overshadowed Jesus and Jesus referred to him as Father.
JJ, yes, Mormonism has always believed in the above Joseph Smith quote that we have always co-existed (in some form & essence) with God. Notwithstanding, what about the following principle-
Matthew 6:10 “Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”
The Zohar adds more to this principle:
Observe that God has made the earthly kingdom after the pattern of the heavenly kingdom, and whatever is done on earth has been preceded by its prototype in heaven.
-Soncino Zohar, Bereshith, Section 1, Page 197a
How could something as foundational as marriage, sexual intimacy, children – the very heart of our earthly sociality – not even exist in heaven? Yet, the language of the scriptures are filled with family references – The Father, The Son, Children of God, Sons, Daughters, etc. How could this be?
You even referenced family language in your last post stating, “Our highest spiritual essence is our eternal father in heaven but higher lives are also referred to as our fathers.” Why use the term “father”? What definition of father are you using?
Finally, curious to your response to this thought too-
John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
Why would Jesus tell Mary Magdalene this if he was referring to Melchizedek? Was Melchizedek Mary Magdalene’s Father too?
You are right that all things that exist on earth first existed in heaven, or higher spheres. There are seven planes altogether. The next level up from us is the astral composed of emotional energy. This is what Mormons generally refer to as the spirit world. The next up is the mental plane composed of mental matter and is directed by the energy of mind. These three are the worlds of form, the mental being the highest is similar to the LDS celestial kingdom.
Above the mental is the buddhic plane from which true intuition originates. This intuition links the worlds of form to the next plane, the atmic. This plane governs the universe of ideas. On this plane originates all creation that eventually materializes here on the earth. An idea there is carried through the intuitive plane to the mind, then to emotional matter in the spirit world until it materializes here on the earth. The concept of the form of your body originated in the atmic plane and descended as a seed until it reached the physical plane and developed as a physical vehicle for you.
The idea that our archetypes were created previously is true, but just somewhat different than orthodox Mormonism believes.
Mark:
You even referenced family language in your last post stating, “Our highest spiritual essence is our eternal father in heaven but higher lives are also referred to as our fathers.” Why use the term “father”? What definition of father are you using?
JJ
The word father is used a number of different ways in the scriptures and other writings. It doesn’t always mean a literal father of a body. Even on this plane an adopted child calls his caretaker his father.
Consider the word in reference to a prophesy of Christ:
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isa 9:6
Notice that Isaiah called prophesied Messiah “the everlasting Father.
The Book of Mormon does something similar:
“I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son – The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son. And THEY ARE ONE God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and earth. and thus the flesh (Jesus) becoming subject to the Spirit (Christ), or the Son to the Father…” Mosiah 15:1-5.
One reason the Messiah is called Father is that he initiated the fathering of many sons of God. Any creator is a father to his creations.
Mark:
Finally, curious to your response to this thought too-
John 20:17 “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
Why would Jesus tell Mary Magdalene this if he was referring to Melchizedek? Was Melchizedek Mary Magdalene’s Father too?
JJ
Melchizedek, who overshadowed Jesus is responsible for the creation of the sons of God here on the earth. He is therefore the father of all who aspire to be such including Mary Magdalene.
Above him is Sanat Kumara who is responsible for the creation of all human life of earth making him our Father also.
In addition to this if we were able (as did Christ) to ascend to the sixth plane we would arrive at the plane of the monad where the seed of our existence and intelligence resides. This dwells as a point of light in divine space something like a star dwells in physical space. This divine space is the mind of God and there is only one space which is the ultimate Father of us all.
Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Here Paul is revealing the “unknown god” whom they worship to them –
Acts 17: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
JJ, again, these two scriptures certainly intuit that we are offspring of God, even that God is the “Father of spirits.” I assume you interpret these scriptures the same as you did in your last post?
You certainly have some interesting thoughts. Contextually, most of these thoughts are outside my frame of reference. It is difficult to prove these ideas wrong when there is no common ground for the basis of these ideas. However, they are interesting.
As for Melchizedek, could you please tell me how he is responsible for the creation of the sons of God on the earth? And, how are you defining the “sons of God”?
As for the orthodox Mormonism, yes, I believe that this belief is prevalent; however, I do not feel that LDS believe it to be a formal belief, more of an informal one. There is no doctrine whatsoever to support this belief, merely assumptions. I believe most LDS would concede this.
Which side created the Giants? The Ancient of Days or the Lucifer that rebelled? Both Brotherhoods were walking on the Earth in the days of Atlantis and the Giants were mentioned in Genesis, so were the Giants created out of the Garden of Eden as well and stemmed from the Ancient of Day’s seed?
It seemed to me that the Giant race should not have been seeded through the animal woman at the time, but was the Giant race an off shoot to the Masters/Gods seeding animal woman too soon? Or was it because the women on Earth at that time were more advanced intellectually than animal men, and hence the seeding of the women (who may have come from the Moon chain and were the higher Initiates/Disciples) then created a super race of ancient man or Giants?
RJ
JJ: Yes eighteen million years ago that which became human was more animal than man and as a matter of fact the higher animals ate them for food and they had a heck of a time just surviving. It took all their intelligence just to keep from being eaten by lions, dinosaurs or whatever there was back then. They had all kinds of threats that we can only imagine and their whole attention was put on just surviving.
Tom
Scientist says that dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. I watch a lot of those documenteies and each one clams that dinosaurs and man never lived together.
Knowing science, they made have made another goof; just light nothing was suppose too go faster then the speed of light, but did.
JJ replied to this on the boards.
After mentioning dinosaurs in the lecture I realized they probably were not around at that time so I added “or whatever there was back
then.”
As a point of interest there has been purported discoveries where human footprints have been found along side dinosaur remains but the claim is that this information is covered up because it doesn’t fit the current mindset.
JJ