Category: Gatherings

Boise Gathering 2008, Part 13

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 13 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

Astral Details
JJ: From the bottom of the astral world to the top is a tremendous difference. At the top it is very close to the mental world. But the astral world, since half of you are Mormons is the really the terrestrial kingdom. The telestial kingdom is what?

It is this earth right here and as a matter of fact when you go the Mormon temple they say right in it that, brothers and sisters this is a lonely world the telestial kingdom the world in which we now reside. So this world and all the stars up there are all a part of the telestial kingdom. The telestial kingdom is what ministered to by the Holy Spirit, and that is how the spirit ministers us to in this world. If we are true seeker then we will feel an inward spirit come to us and that is how we are ministered to in this telestial world.

The next step up is terrestrial world and that is the astral world and most of us go there after we die. The upper parts of the astral world would be the terrestrial world and the lower parts would be what the Bible calls the spirits in prison for want of a better word. But the upper parts of the astral world are what are called heaven. The upper parts of the astral world in esoteric writings are called the Devachan. They teach that the Devachan is like a dream. In other words, everybody is having their own dreams and they are pleasant dreams and it seems real but it is a little bit like a dream world in the fact that everything is governed by the power of feeling and thought.

When you are there it seems just as real as anything. The lower part will be filled with Mormons, Methodists and so on and they will all have their individual groups and they will maintain their teaching and most of them will not believe in reincarnation. It is interesting when they did a survey among people with near death experience that about sixty percent were told there was reincarnation and about forty percent were told there was not reincarnation and that is because they went to different places. Where the regular religious people go they will be preaching the standard gospel waiting for Jesus to show up. As a matter of fact sometimes when a person dies he is really into religious teachings and there is really no place for him in the astral world then they will arrange a greeting group for them and they will also arrange kind of a play situation where he will come and meet Jesus and they will have an environment like he is expecting to have after he dies until he kind of gets used to it and then they will start explaining to him that is really not real and they will say okay we are now going to take you to the real astral world.

There are different grades of etheric matter where other different life forms live like on some planets like Venus. There are actually beings that live on Venus in higher etheric matter, not on the astral world but on higher etheric matter. But on the actual lower physical that we are in there is no life on the surface at least but there might be something in the interior.

What is different about the mental world is when you want something you create it with your mind and when you want something in the astral world you create it with your feelings. Like lets say you want an apple you feel a desire for an apple and an apple will materialize but when you are in the mental world if you want an apple then you just think an apple and an apple will materialize. They say that you do not have to eat in the spirit world but you can eat for your own enjoyment because we are so used to eating here that you can eat there also. Now another question that the book that Larry mentioned did not answer is, do they have sex there and the answer is that they do have sex but it is different than it is here and what happens is they create like a charge of energy and exchange the energy so it is not like having actual physical sex with a physical body but there is an intense feeling of sharing.

Audience: And which one is that the mental world?

That is in the astral worlds – in the higher worlds they share a consistent feeling of union without the need of sex – though a correspondence to it can be had if desired.

Audience: Yes they did this in the movie Cocoon.

JJ: Another question that many people have is what happens when a person commits suicide or gets blown up instantly or the body does catastrophically.

If a person commits suicide the general teaching is that they will sleep until they would have normally died. For instance if a person commits suicide when they are 20 and they would have normally died when they were 50, they would normally sleep in the spirit world for up to thirty years. Now I do not believe that this is a hard and fast rule but I feel that there is truth behind and they will sleep for a period of time and they will eventually be given another chance but suicide always creates karma because the person was in a terrible situation in his life or at least he thought he was and he decided to escape it. There was a lesson to learn there by facing it and he will eventually have to come back and face it again until he is finally willing to work through it rather than taking his life.

Audience: Why would they sleep during this time between taking their own life and dying a normal death?

JJ: Because energy follows thought you see and he was trying to extinguish his life, not his eternal life but the life that he would have led on the earth. I do not believe this is a hard and fast exact rule but it is a general rule with exceptions. I think many wake up earlier than their original time of death.

Also if a person dies suddenly his actually spirit body or astral body will be in a state of shock and he is actually met there by the spirit doctors who assist him in recovery. It is impossible to destroy the astral or spirit body with an explosion or car crash or something like that but the sudden death is somewhat of a shock to the system that they need a bit of rest in the spirit world before they are able to function. Now some people wonder what would happen if you had a direct hit by an atomic bomb – would that hurt your astral body? I think it would be a shock to your system but I don’t think it would destroy your astral body or do any permanent damage to it. Some people theorize that it would but I haven’t seen a teaching on it by anyone I would trust one way or another but my gut feeling is that nothing we could do here could create any permanent harm to our astral body, unless we do it ourselves through our own negligence.

Audience: What about if a physic vampire wants to pull your energy from you?

JJ: Well that drains your physical and then you recover in the astral world and you would completely recover.

Audience: What if you astral project your energy in your physical body?

JJ: If you astral project to the lowest levels of the astral you might find little devils trying to zap you of all your energy but if you go to the mid astral you would not have to worry about such entities because they will have no such power to latch on to you. But if you go to the lowest realms of the astral world then these vampire types of very selfish people can make life a hell for you after death. But all of these are temporary residences – all except for the people that are dedicated to the path of darkness and these people don’t even go to the astral world, they go to what is written in esoteric writings as the eighth sphere. This is actually a lower vibration than the actual physical. The eighth sphere in Mormon language is where the sons of perdition will go to where their being, everything that composes them begins to break down and then they are recycled in the recycling pit of God so to speak. And their soul eventually puts out a new personality and tries again to create a successful creation from the monad of the person, so that is interesting.

Audience: What is an ashram and more specifically if the Masters are incarnated in bodies on the earth right now, they have ashrams or schools that are teaching right?

JJ: An ashram is just a gathering of students around a teacher. We could call this an ashram right here – I am the teacher and you are the ashram so to speak and that is all an ashram means in the east. Now it is a risk for a Master to incarnate because he loses his memory and has to start and re-do his initiations in miniature. Sometimes he will get caught and does not quite get up to the third initiation. He gets trapped and will have to incarnate a number of times to where he has to get back to where he was before. And this is one of the reasons that the Masters are hesitant to come and work with us because it is a little bit risky. Maybe is that is why The Christ has not taken a body for over 2000 years.

Audience: But you said that He has one.

JJ: Right He has one now but He has not taken a fresh incarnation to work among us. The physical body that He is with now is probably thousands of years old. He could leave that physical body at any time and be born as a child if He decided to. He could recreate that discarded physical body again if he decided to because He is in the middle of His seventh degree initiation.

Audience: Now is this Jesus or Christ?

JJ: The Christ, Jesus is a fifth degree initiate right now and Christ is half way through His seventh. The Tibetan says an interesting thing about this and I never really thought of it until I read DK who says, “What people really don’t think about is what is going through the mind of Christ as He is contemplating His second coming.” And when he said that I thought, put yourself in His situation, people are expecting me to come in a blaze of glory and wipe out all the wicked and bring peace on earth and goodwill to all men. Don’t people realize how difficult this would be!

Don’t they realize how difficult it is to move things around so there is peace on earth or how ridiculous it would be to just wipe out everybody just because I think they are wicked? How am I going to manifest on the world so I can convince a substantial number of people that I have something to offer this time. Remember He only had about 120 followers last time when He was crucified.

Audience: In the Aquarian Gospel it says that Jesus, before his actual Jerusalem ministry was mingling amongst other adepts and he was contemplating that very thing.

JJ: Yes that was the interesting part of it where they all had that conference and they all gave their advice to Jesus and they said well we think if you did this it would be good. That was very interesting and He is probably doing that right now, talking amongst the other Masters thinking how He is going to pull off his Second Coming.

 

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 12

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 12 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

Signs
Audience: When we build a city on the sea (now called seasteading) there will be all this commotion about who owns what, on and under the ocean and where the boundaries are and so on.

JJ: I think the dark brothers foresee the gathering on the ocean because they are already trying to get the UN to make all kinds of laws that apply to the oceans so that who ever does this will have to pay the UN a tax of some kind. And if we have to pay the UN a tax we may as well stay here and pay taxes.

Audience: It came to me that Mr. Bush is working on an initiation and would agree with that?

JJ: Yes I think he is a second-degree initiate and so he would be working on his third.

Audience: So this is what we can expect out of a third initiation?

JJ: Well I don’t think he is at the third yet, but that is just my opinion and not very many politicians are above the first. Most of them are just completely into their own selfishness.

Larry: But for Bush staying on task, that is moving him forward.

JJ: Yes and that type of determination is admirable for any initiate but you see he still has quite a bit of illusion about a number of things so I do not think he is past his third yet.

Larry: When he was first elected and in one of the debates with John Kerry, I think it was the second debate and I was watching him and I can’t remember the answer that he gave a question that gave but I was thinking about and suddenly the spirit came into my mind and said, “This is my man.” I was told that Bush was of God.

JJ: Bush is a lot more sincere then people give him credit for. For instance he will read in the paper that somebody is in trouble and he will write a personal check and mail it to him or her anonymously. He gives 15% of his money away to charity. When he ran against Al Gore, Al Gore gave away $250 to charity that year.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: Some people love to spend other people’s money but not their own. But when you see someone spend his or her own money and give it away that speaks to something in my own mind. When people visit Bush in the oval office, he will take them in the back room and kneel in prayer with them and stuff like that, that I have read about him is encouraging about the guy.

Annie: When Bush was doing all of this do you think Tony Blair was helping? I think he was helping trying to do his part and got hated by many after that.

JJ: Tony Blair was hated something awful and he was a liberal. Nobody expected that from Tony Blair for he was really good friends with Clinton and everybody called him the Clinton of Britain and he turned out to really be supportive of Bush, which really blew everybody away. But Tony Blair was intelligent enough to see the threat and what people do not think of is what kind of situation we might be in if Saddam Hussein was still in power.

Larry: Can they establish peace in the Middle East?

JJ: They made tremendous progress in Iraq, all kinds of businesses are starting up and it is becoming safe enough that China, Russia and all kinds of foreign governments are starting to go in there and investing. And, of course, typical of people that you help, Iraq is not really faithful to us and they are willing to give contracts to foreign governments and bypass us. So the idea on going there to make a killing on oil is not happening at all. And as a matter of fact now Bush is criticized because we are not getting their oil.

Audience: Chuckling!

JJ: But in the beginning he was criticized for going in there, for the oil. Bush has done everything possible to avoid the appearance of going in there for the oil. Now we are not getting enough oil from the guys, so there is an interesting situation.

Larry: So there is a man of tremendous courage, he has faced up to all this criticism and it continues to get worse and worse.

JJ: And the only thing that gave him power was the answer he got from God and if he had not got an answer then he would have buckled under pressure because if you look at him in other situations where he has not got an answer and you find that he will bend and compromise. He has compromised on quite a bit of stuff but he is not compromising on this and that is because he got an answer on it.

JJ: But remember the words of Christ that “He who takes upon himself My Name will be hated by all the world for My Namesake.” He says they hated me and they will hate you also. On the other hand many think, “If I am a good Christian then everybody will love me.” Well if you are a good standard orthodox Christian that everybody thinks is just mister nice guy like Joel Osteen or someone like that just a good harmless guy that preaches a nice harmless message well then the whole world is going to love that guy. They may have trouble with his wife though who recently got into a little trouble with an airline stewardess. Chuckling.

Larry: Where did the analogy come from that in Batman The Dark Knight became an analogy for George W. Bush?

JJ: Somebody wrote an article about it and I think it was The Wall Street Journal or something like that.

Let’s say you are a smoker and you quit then that is the highest you know but you are around a bunch of people that are your friends who also smoke. They are really going to give a rough time and say something like, what is the matter do you think that you are better than us since you are quitting? And even on small things where you try to make a step forward you are going to get flack so when ever you take a step forward you are going to get flack and a lot of friction but it does not matter. It is only when you play it safe that everybody is going to love you.

When you play it safe and say what people want to hear then people will love you but if you take a definite step toward the light than you are going to have a lot of problems. It is like the story I told you about Artie when she was probably going to marry me after a short two or three day romance, (Laughing, audience laughing as well) All hell broke loose. Her daughter was concerned and called up Artie’s mother and her ex-husband and told them about this weird guy who was like Jim Jones and would probably take his flock out in the middle of nowhere and have them drink Kool-aid and boy her mother was on airplane the next day flying up to save her daughter and her ex-husband was checking to see if he could get custody of her daughter.

Audience: I verified that story with Wendi (Artie’s daughter) at your birthday party I asked her daughter how she felt about JJ when he when first came into her life and she said that he probably would not tell this story but I really did not like him very much when I first met him and she said I called my grandma and so on.

I said that is exactly the story that JJ tells and she said, “he did?”

Laughter has erupted throughout the room!

Audience: So this grandma is your mother, the one that is with you now.

Female from audience: Yes

JJ: They did not like me in the beginning, so Artie calls me up and says, oh this is going way too fast and we have got to just hold off and just quit seeing each other for a while until things just calm down.

And my Soul told me that if I let that happen then I would lose her and that I needed to close the deal now. So I said to her remember how we felt a couple days ago when we fell in love through the spirit and it felt really good? And she said, yes. Then I said think of how you feel right now, do you feel good right now? And she said no. I said do you want to feel the way you felt back then or do you want to feel the way you do now? Do you want to go with the peace or do you want to go with the turbulence – which do you want?

(JJ is choking up a bit) I have hard time saying this but she says I want the peace. I said well lets go for it then and she said okay. And from that point on she never went back and she had to face a tremendous amount of turbulence from both her mother and her daughter, and everyone who knew her thought she was absolutely stark raving mad. Yet it was a step that was really important for both of us to take.

Whenever you take an important step you will have a tremendous amount of turbulence and friction and everybody will come out of the woodwork to try and take you back to where you were before. It will always happen if it is an important step. I have had people coming up to me and say I have had A, B or C happen and all these people express negativity towards it and it must be a sign that I am not supposed to do this.

I say no it is a sign that you are supposed to it. They would say yea but this was bad because it produced friction and anger, and I said, that is good and that is an indication that you are supposed to do it. And some people cannot just get that through their head.

It is like what Jesus says; he that goes by a sign is a member of a wicked and adulteress generation that is if you go by signs and that is because the signs are almost always wrong. Signs almost always lead you the wrong direction. When I keep track of those who tell me of some sign they follow I find that the end result is almost always wrong and the result negative.

Larry: And here you are giving people signs all the time! (JJ is in the sign business)

JJ: On the other hand it says signs follow them that believe. So those that believe will have signs and the true signs follow belief. You will have synchronicity happen and other interesting things that verify different things but it will come when you have already chosen the right path.

But you do not choose the right path because of a sign only for when you do that it will almost always lead you in the worse of the other two directions you could have taken.

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 11

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 11 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

The Astral World

JJ: Now the next world is composed of atoms but a different type of atom. The atoms there are even more ephemeral and have more empty space than the physical and can thus pass through the physical. There might be an astral being right here, as a matter of fact, Sean has been seeing guides around people tonight and I am sure if there was a guide right here my hand would pass right through him. Do you see guides around anyone now? What do you see Sean?

Sean: I can see some next to you just off your left shoulder.

JJ passes his hand and asks if his hand passed right through this guide.

Sean: He backed off but the others are still standing there next to him.

JJ: I am not going to feel them because they are made of more refined matter than the matter we have here on our physical plane and this matter is refined enough when you think about how much of it is empty space. This just boggles the mind. So they are made of more refined matter but wherever there is physical form, when the form touches form there is an actual sensation of touch.

Now it is interesting that whenever there is communication in the lower part of the astral world they will talk just like we do. As you move up in the astral world in the intermediate spheres then they can talk just like we do or they can send different types of messages in like packages.

Audience: Like computer downloads.

JJ: Yes, and then as you move up further they do not talk at all, they just send messages by mental telepathy and sometimes they will get a flash of color and then the message will just be understood by them after they see that light flash of color. And vision is not interfered with as it is here. Like say if Sean was four times farther away I would not be able to tell if it was Sean but in the astral world if he is apparently a thousand miles away you could still see him up close and you could think about him being here and he would be here. In the lower worlds communication and travel is similar to what you have here but the higher you get the faster everything gets. Eventually when you get into the higher parts of the astral world you can crisscross if you want to see a friend a thousand miles away you just think it and you will be there instantaneously.

Time is different there than it is here in the fact that there is really no time to reckon. So some people say that there is no time in the other worlds but there is time everywhere but time is just is not measured everywhere. In our world here we have to go to work and time ourselves by the rising and setting of the Sun but in a world where there is eternal light and no change that causes you to not measure time and you do not think about it. And that is why some people have said there is no time in the astral world. It is in a state of timelessness and it seems that way but when you are in the astral world, time still passes. It still takes time to learn things, absorb things, take things in, but because you have all the time in the world it seems like time does not exist. Now the interesting thing about time is that it always exists but there are many places that we can go to in the higher spheres where it does not seem to exist because we are not reckoning by it.

Now in the astral world you have teachers that go from a higher sphere to a lower and assist and help the people down there. A person can move from one sphere to another when he learns his lessons and the teachers will often come down and they will be bathed in light and they will come down to the lower worlds and they will teach the people there the lessons they need to learn to go to the next sphere up. When they are ready accept their lessons and once they learn them then they can go to the next sphere up and they can better prepare for the next life to come.

Another interesting thing about the astral world is people will say, “Well it will be interesting once I die because then I will find out all the mysteries.” We do not really find out all the mysteries after we die. We just find that we have more questions after death because normally you don’t meet God or Jesus who sits there and explains everything to you. Perhaps you read the book “Embraced by the Light” where she immediately met Jesus and He explained a whole bunch of stuff to her. So what goes on here?

The thing is, The Christ Himself is on the earth right now in a physical body and He is not even in the astral world, now he can visit there if He wants to because He has power to visit any of the worlds that He wants. He is actually in a physical body right now and He lives on the earth. He said, “ Behold I am with you even until the end of the age.” He told this to His disciples.

What He meant by this is that He would be upon the earth until the end of the age living here with us. According to DK The Christ lives on the borders of Tibet in a physical body, DK also lives in a physical body and they are neighbors to each other.

Audience: Do all the Masters have physical bodies?

JJ: Yes, all the Masters have physical or etheric bodies.

Audience: What about the Buddha does He have a physical body?

JJ: Yes but He was supposed to leave the earth.

Audience: But He chose not to.

JJ: Yes He chose not to, you read that, very good, and because He chose not He works in what is called a Nirmanakaya which is a different office than a Master. Nirmanakaya is a go between the fifth kingdom of the Masters and Shamballa so the Nirmanakaya is actually in the sixth kingdom so that is what the Buddha is right now a go between Shamballa and the Masters. I do not believe He is in a physical body but He could be if He has taken on another life since the Buddha but we do not have any information on that.

Audience: So usually the Masters just keep a physical body to hang around in?

JJ: They have not really transcended the physical body yet; they have learned to extend the life of the physical body. It is not until the seventh initiation that you can you can completely transcend the physical.

Audience: So they couldn’t continuously exist on the mental plane or something like that?

JJ: They could if They wanted but the Masters that work with humanity live in physical bodies but they are not quite immortal but they have the ability to revitalize their physical body for an extended period of time but they will not be in their bodies forever and then once they pass the seventh initiation they will be able to live in their body or out of their body, they will be able to live in their etheric body or manifest a physical body if they want.

The Christ underwent the beginning seventh initiation on the cross followed by the resurrection. Those of you who have read my writings will understand that the Christ and Jesus are two separate entities that at the baptism of Jesus, John saw the spirit of God come down and descend upon Jesus and it says that the Spirit of God went into Jesus. Now just before this John asked how he was supposed to recognize the Christ even though Jesus was his cousin. His answer was that he baptized all these people and saw the Spirit of God descend and then leave them but when you see the Spirit of God descend and enter in and stay there then you will recognize this to be the Christ. So who was the Christ? Was it the one who was baptized or was it the one who entered into the body of the one being baptized?

The one that entered into the body, that was the Christ and Jesus was the disciple that prepared the way for The Christ.

Audience: So Jesus lives in Tibet?

JJ: Not Jesus but the actual Christ lives in Tibet in a physical body. The Tibetan predicted that Jesus would make an attempt to take over the Catholic Church around 1980 or so. This came to pass when Pope John Paul I became head of the church. He was firing people and making changes like crazy and all of a sudden after 33 days; this is an interesting number because it corresponds to the 33 years of Jesus life, he was poisoned and killed. There is a book about this that gives a tremendous amount of evidence that he was poisoned.

Audience: Do we know where He is now?

JJ: He is buried, oh you mean Jesus!

Audience: Laughter!

JJ: I do not know if it was Jesus actually in the body or if Jesus was overshadowing the Pope. I felt really sad when he died and I did not know why because I was really not into the Catholic Church that much but on reflection it dawned on me that was probably the fulfillment of the prophecy. Then I read the book that gave all this evidence that he was poisoned and then when I saw all the changes he was starting to make, he was cleaning up all the corruption and firing everybody that was doing all the illegal stuff and taking advantage of people. The trouble was that he moved too fast and he should have moved slower but he moved too fast and he scared the dickens out of everybody. I am convinced he was poisoned because after all He was in good health.

Audience: Besides this timing for the individual unfoldment, to what is it going to take for The Christ to come forth and do what He has to do to move us forward?

JJ: The Tibetan says that several things have to happen before The Christ can manifest again. First of all a period of relative stability has to occur, and one of the places it needs to occur is the Middle East. This is why the war in Iraq is so important. If the war in Iraq can end with democracy and some stability that creates a little bit of a domino effect. Then it will make it possible for The Christ to come and walk in ancient lands where He was once before. This is one of the things that He wants to do is to be able to go there in that areas in the world where He wants to teach.

Audience: That is where President George W. Bush comes in.

JJ: Remember what Jesus says, “He who follows me will be hated by all the world.” And who is hated by all of the people of the world?

Audience: Bush,

JJ: Bush, the whole world hates him and what is Bush doing? He is trying to prepare a place of safety for the Messiah to walk upon the earth once more.

Audience: Bush does not realize what he is doing does he?

JJ: He does realize it because he got an answer. When I saw him on TV and he announced that he was sending troops into Iraq I received a revelation on that, I saw him and he was before the Lord kneeling in prayer and he did not know what to do. He did not know whether to send in troops or not and he got a powerful witness, a tremendous fire descended upon him and he received a witness that he was supposed to do it and this is why he has not backed down – this is why all of a sudden the whole world was against him and said hey you have got to withdraw and what did he do? He sent in a surge and everybody thought well this is a slap in the face when everybody else is telling us to withdraw and everybody was beside themselves when he created this surge. But the only reason he did this is because of the answer he received and he knows that he got an answer from God that he was supposed to take that course. The evidence of this is that the entire world hates him.

The entire world hates him. Ninety percent of the people in France want him out of office and ninety percent of the people in almost all Europe want him out of office except the old Soviet Union countries that remember what a tyranny was, they love him. The people in the country of Georgia had put up statues for Bush up and what did the Russia destroy first when they invaded?

The statues of Bush. They hit those statues with missiles. The airport in Georgia where there was a big statue up for Bush, they blasted that first. They hate Bush and it is a very delicate thing to talk about Bush because so many people hate him. If you are in a group even, Republicans will say, “Oh that son of a bitch, murdering bastard.” They have nothing good to say about the poor guy, but you have to admire him for getting an answer and standing up to it, even though the whole world hates him. If you want to be a disciple of Christ then this is what you will have to go through. Can you be hated by the whole world and still hold yourself together? That what will happen if we build a city on the ocean. Then the whole world will hate us. You think Bush is hated wait until we build a city on the ocean.

By the time the press is done with us we will look like a bunch of Jim Jones’s ready sink in the ocean. The environmentalists will say we are destroying the ocean and so on, everybody will think it is a bad idea and will hate us.

 

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 10

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 10 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

Finishing the Sounding of Names
JJ: Okay we have about half the group here yet and we may have to go a little faster to get through everybody. Let’s start with James.

(JJ & Audience chanting James like a pep rally.)

Now let’s say his name over and over again and see what we get.

JJ: What do you get?

Audience member: Salt of the earth.

JJ: He is the salt of the earth all right. He is also a salty character and he has a good sense of humor.

J is a heart sound which shows that he can overcome force’s that are against him through the use of the letter J and the Mmm is a kind of a closing sound which means he can wind up closing the deal so to speak. So I would say parting the Red Sea and then closing the Egyptians behind corresponds to this sound. So he is able to plunge forward no matter what. Now have you ever gone by the name Jim?

James: Yes and it just did not feel right.

JJ: Jim does not seem to suit you like James, James suits you better.

James: I remember when I was about 11 or 12 and I told my parents that I did not wish to be called Jim anymore.

Okay Susie you are next. (The group chants the name Susie.). That is Susie with an S not a Z.

S because she sees things, and U is a building energy because it builds the human body actually and she is a very physical person, she is very good in the physical world. I have never been able to beat her at horseshoes!

Audience: Laughter!

JJ: Any sport you play her she is really good at it. She is just good at anything she touches on the physical plane. So it is U that creates that physical energy and she is strong and this is also a heart sound indicating power to destroy opposition. So she is able to forge ahead and accomplish what she wants on the physical plane. Okay lets say her name and see if anybody gets any other impressions about her.

Audience: Chanting Susie in pep rally mode.

Audience: I got a feeling about the pioneer spirit. Not that your ancestors were pioneers but the spirit that you could pioneer something.

JJ: Okay it looks like we have to put Artie in the hot seat next.

Audience: Artie, Artie, Artie….Arrrrrr!

JJ: No wonder Suzie and Artie are such good friends, both of their names end with the same letter and it is interesting they both have the same astrological sign.

JJ & audience: Chanting Artie.

JJ: By the way my impressions will be completely biased!

Audience: Laughter

JJ: She is a nice gentle person but you do not want to cross her. Art was her dad so she is a work of art! She is a Capricorn so my pet name for her is my little Mountain Goat.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: Because when she decides she wants something she just plunges into it like a little mountain goat going up a mountain and nothing stops her.

Now her dad wanted a boy and they were going to name him Art and then Artie came along and screwed up their plans so they decided to name her Artie. I always thought this is a cool name.

Artie: I was talking on the phone once with a credit card company and I was speaking with an Indian gal and she said that my name in Indian means to love with God. And I thought, All right!

JJ: Next we’ll do Larry
Larry…Larry…Larry!

Audience: Larry…Larry…Larry! Chuckling!

JJ: It’s funny when I felt impressed to go around and give something to each person and I started with my wife first and as you noticed a long pause (chuckling) and I didn’t say very much so when we were at dinner my wife says to me, what’s the matter did you have a hard time getting something? She said was there a problem here?

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: So I will explain to you what happened, the impression I got was to give a message to everybody and I thought and I felt that there were too many people here to give several messages and it would tax me too much so I would just figure out one message and give the same thing to everybody really quick so I had my hands on Artie trying to think of something really inspiring that would fit well with the whole group. Nothing seemed to be coming to me and then my soul corrected me and said “No you need to give a different message to everybody.” So I went around and gave a different message to everybody. So anyway that gets me out of trouble with her as long as she understands.

Life After Death
I thought I would say a few words about life after death, Larry Woods sent me a tape and on this tape he had talked about a book he had read, I found it interesting so I got the book and read it and it was pretty good, I have read several others that are similar. I thought I would talk about the different spheres that we go to after the physical and a bit about what is involved. First of all, how many different planes are there?

Audience: Seven

JJ: Right there are seven different planes, how many planes of form or physical planes?

Audience: Three

JJ: Right there are three planes of form. We have the physical/etheric, which really counts as one form because the physical and etheric are intertwined and after you die you are only in your etheric body for a short period of time. Some people bypass the etheric body entirely because the etheric body is like an electrical system that keeps your body in shape and after you die your etheric body immediately begins to dissipate. The ancient Egyptians had certain methods that they used to try and sustain the etheric body after death and they were able to do this to a degree and even after the person left his body they had different ways of capturing the energy of the etheric body so that it hung around the grave.

For instance the Ancient Egyptians capturing that etheric energy, that vital force that surrounds the body, caused the curse of King Tut. It kind of lingered around the tomb for all those years; thus the curse that they put on it lingered with it.

So you have the physical and etheric body as a unit and you can see the etheric by putting your two thumbs together then pull them apart just slightly and look at the space between your thumbs in a neutral back round like that a white board or something similar. Look at the empty space between your thumbs and you will see a film. That film is your etheric body and it stretches out about a millimeter or so beyond your physical body. The etheric body gives off light and I have done this before and for the new people we will do this again. Everybody look at my forehead and stare at the one spot in the middle like you are mesmerized on it for about one minute. Now when I move my body away I want you to continue to stare at this spot like I never even moved even though I am going to move. Continue staring at that spot, you can see the outline of my body there and if you look close you can see that the light is not just uniform but it has different graduations in it and different types of light. That is the light that radiates from the etheric body. So you cannot only see the etheric body but you can see the light that radiates from the etheric body with your standard physical eyes because the etheric body is very close to the physical. It is so close you can actually see it with the physical eyes without having extra sensory perception. Normally the etheric body begins to break up and fall apart right after you die unless extreme measures are taken to preserve some of its energy.

Then the next step up is the astral world. The astral is created out of emotional energy and it has seven different subdivisions in it. The lower divisions of the astral world are what we would call hell. The thing about the after life is that each person goes to where his vibration feels comfortable and this why it is important to obey the injunction of Jesus, “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” Because if you do that then you will go to a place where there are others who will treat you the way you treat them and if you treat others good then you will be treated good there and being around these type of people will make it a pleasant after life existence.

On the other hand if you are a very selfish person then your vibration will be lower and you will go to where other various selfish people reside and this will make it a hell. In the book that Larry recommended they talk about how the grass was different in each one of the spheres, in the lower spheres (which was the hell) the grass was parched and a little bit higher it felt really good with vibrant colors and in the higher spheres the grass felt really great and it was really bright and felt really alive. The grass seemed to get better the higher they went which I found interesting.

But in the next world the astral seems as physical as our physical body but when our physical body touches another physical body we feel like it is solid but in reality our physical body is not solid at all and it is amazing how much of our physical body is empty space. The empty space in the physical body corresponds to the empty space we see in space. The sun for instance is one million times as big as the earth and if we put the sun on a football field and the sun was the size of a basketball the earth would be the size of a little bb or grain of sand. It would be somewhere around the thirty-yard line. Pluto would be something like a couple miles away. So it is amazing how much of that is empty space.

Then if the sun were the size of a basketball the nearest star would be another basketball clear over in England. So all that distance is empty space, in our galaxy. Our Milky Way Galaxy is composed up to two hundred billion stars. Now in between the galaxies it is empty space again and the galaxy itself the nearest star to us is like a basketball over in England and that is how far apart the stars are in our galaxy, when you look up and see the stars at night in the Milky Way the stars are typically as far apart as a basketball here in the United States and a basketball in England. Can you imagine this, the only reason we can see a basketball sized object as far away as England is because it is so bright. When we look up at the stars at night we only see their light, we cannot really see their form. We just pretty much see their light but because a star is so far away that bright light that they emit makes it possible for us to see them.

So it boggles the mind when we consider the distance involved here. The distance in the atomic world is very similar. If the nucleus of the atom were as big as a basketball then the electron is like a little pebble miles away for so much of it is just empty space. Yet when two objects hit each other they appear to be solid even though they have so much empty space. It is really amazing when you think about it. The only reason objects feel solid is because particles are vibrating and spinning and the electrons are moving around close to the speed of light; which is 186,000 miles per second, extremely fast but because of their tremendous speed they feel solid.

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 9

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 9 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

JJ: Okay let us try Larry now. Larr-y, there are two basic sounds here, actually AA, L-A-RR-Y.

Audience: Sounding out Larry.

JJ: AR sounds out Air and air is associated with the mind like for instance air itself is associated with the mental. Lets say LARR-E. Lets say the name several times and get a feel for it.

Audience: LARR-E several times.

JJ: When we say Larry which ends with an E I think of WE which is associated with people and Larry is a people person and always wants to involve other people in everything he does.

When you think of LARR it is kind of a gathering name and WE is the group. From what I know about Larry he is very interested in forming groups and getting people together. So whenever you say that name think of that gathering and getting groups of people together.

Audience: Saying the name LARR-E several times.

Lets divide it now. LAAARRR———-EEEEEEEEE.

Audience: LAAARRR——–EEEEEE

JJ: Concentrate more on the E.

Audience: Complies

JJ: Relax it a little bit more.

Audience does this.

JJ: Now just charge him up with his name saying it over and over like cheerleading.

Audience does this.

Martha is up next.

Martha: For most of my life I have disliked my name.

JJ: Did you dislike it because it was kind of an old fashioned name like Martha Washington?

Martha: No Martha Leah and Martha was the one that did it wrong when the Christ came. Martha Leah was the one that her husband did not want.

JJ: Martha also did one of the most spectacular things that any woman ever did. Do you remember what that was?

Martha: What was that?

Larry: She expressed the faith that helped Lazarus get raised up from the dead.

JJ: When Jesus went to raise Lazarus from the dead He had to pull the guy out of the tomb there and Lazarus was just laying there all wrapped up in his burial clothes as they did in those days with the dead and who did Jesus turn to, to perform this great miracle?

Martha: Martha

JJ: Jesus turned to Martha before He performed the miracle and said, Martha do you believe that I can raise Lazarus from the dead? And Martha said I believe that you can do most anything and if you say that you can raise Lazarus from the dead than I believe that you can. Now why did Jesus ask a woman if she believed in Him?

Because every miracle is a combination of male and female energy and even the strong males need the female energy to fill the gap in order to perform a great miracle. Whenever you have somebody that really believes in you – don’t you feel that you can do almost anything?

Audience: Yes

JJ: When I first fell in love with Artie I was teaching a class and I looked down and Artie was looking at me in such a way that she was expecting something great. After seeing the anticipation in her eyes I looked at my notes and thought, “oh boy I am in trouble!

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: I thought I have to talk about something great and all of a sudden the words Divine Carelessness came to me. So this is what I talked about and this was the best class I had ever given. When somebody believes in you whether male or female it really motivates you into performing. You think and feel, “I have to do great” and it draws more energy from the soul and the reason it draws more energy from the soul is because you are involving more than yourself. This thinking of just you as one does not allow this but when somebody else comes into your life then you think of more than just yourself and this becomes more important and more powerful than this thinking of just yourself.

Martha needed to do the nuts and bolts work. I find that everybody wants to do the fun stuff but the nuts and bolts people are the glue that hold everything together. Maybe Jesus realized this, He may have thought Mary was a little bit of dreamer but Martha, “if she believes in me than I can perform this great miracle.”

Okay, Mar, I can see why that is the negative aspect of the angels. If you have mar then you have something wrong with you, right? So we have to turn to the positive aspect of this, Mar. Separate it, Mar. Separating them and turning this sound into a positive. MARRR. So when you visualize the name Martha then go Marrrtha.

Audience: When I visualize the name Martha I associate it with what I feel and not with what I see.

JJ: You need to associate it with positive things and positive thinking.

Audience: Mars is a very powerful energy and a very powerful planet. I never thought of Mars being marred against anybody and I have always thought of Martha as being a very powerful energy.

JJ: She was one of the two greatest women in Bible history, Mary and Martha. Okay associate it with Mars if you would like. Mars is a good energizer and it gives energy and vitality. Okay, Mars….

Audience: Mars….

JJ: Please say her whole name first, Martha.

Audience: Martha, Martha.

JJ & Audience saying Martha with positive energy almost like cheerleading. Martha, Martha, Martha!

Now moving into a softer sound of Martha.

Thoughts of a good person with passion and life force.

JJ & Audience back to cheerleading with saying Martha as if they were at a pep rally.

JJ: Okay we will do Bil next and then do the second half after lunch.

JJ & Audience going into pep rally mode with the name Bil.

Bil: That is Bil with one L mind you!

JJ; Okay now please say, I Love Bil!

Audience: “We Love Bil” in pep rally mode.

JJ: Okay now I am doing most of the talking here, does anybody have any impressions about Bil?

Audience male member: I have an impression about Bil that is like a football player and Buffalo Bill type but not the killer.

Audience female member: It is like it starts and it stops where it is and there is not a lot there. What you see is what you get, Bil. There is no hidden, there is no silent G or J H, just Bill.

JJ: Any other impressions about Bill?

Audience female member: Ah big bill that comes once a month.

JJ: Throw that out of your consciousness!

Audience female member: Bill is money and money is good energy!

JJ: So becoming rich, you are going to rich with not only money but with friends, socially and anything you want here in the physical world.

Larry Woods: Well, the Bill is putting information out there, right like posted, marketed and so on.

JJ: He can bill the world.

Audience female member: A legislative change.

JJ: Just bill it out to the universe and let the universe take care of it.

Audience male member: his middle name is David, so you could just add the D to the end and then you have build.

JJ: He throws in David quite often and I have noticed that whenever he signs something he signs “Bill David” then his last name.

Audience: Sharón says that with the hyphen it brings the best aspects to the meaning of the David to the individual.

JJ: Especially when it creates the word build.

Let’s break Bill down.

JJ & Audience breaking down the name Bill, b-i-l-l and then going to bill, then to building in pep rally mode.

Okay to begin this session we are going to have Larry Woods give us a musical number of some kind, we do know what but we do anticipate it will be good.

Larry Woods: I am not quite sure what I am going to do here, I wrote a song and since I do not have my guitar and I have some throat problems right now, so I cannot sing very well at this time so I will just read it you. Years ago I was asked to sing some cowboy songs and at that time I did not know any cowboy songs so I sat down and wrote one. Do you remember when John Travolta was riding the iron bull in that movie “Urban Cowboy”? I wrote this song around that time back in the 70’s.

The lyrics to the song:

“I guess I will take this cowboy hat and stomp it down with these pointed toe boots, because it is not where my head is at and my heart knows this is true. What makes a cowboy man?

Is it the clothes that he wears? Or is it that he has been somewhere and are you really one, is the thing I want to know and I guess I am just a cowboy want to be.

My friends all square dance now and they ride the bull downtown, not one of them owns a cow. Yet they are cowboys of re noun.

Is it the clothes that he wears or is it that he has been somewhere and are you really one, is the thing I want to know. And I guess I am just a cowboy want-to-be.

Soak end shirt and dangling spurs can really make the grade, they will gawk at you for sure and they will know you’ve got it made. But what makes a man a man?

Is it the clothes that he wears or is that he has been somewhere and are you really one, is the thing I want to know. I guess I am just a cowboy want to be.

Audience: Applauding!

JJ: Sorry about your voice, it was your wife that suggested I do this.

Audience female member: I have an e-mail that was sent to me from a friend and I found it to be pretty amusing and I forwarded it to Artie and she found it amusing as well and so now I am going to read it: There were three good arguments that Jesus was black, He called everyone brother, He liked gospel and He could not get a fair trial.

Audience: Laughter

Female member: There were also three arguments that Jesus was Jewish, He went into His Father’s business, He lived at home until He was thirty three and He thought His mother was a virgin and His mother was sure He was God.

Audience: Laughter

Female member: then there were three equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian, He talked with His hands, He drank wine with His meals and He used olive oil.

Then there three equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian, He never cut his hair, He walked around barefoot all the time and He started a new religion.

Then there were equally good arguments that Jesus was an American Indian, He was at peace with nature, He ate a lot of fish, and He talked about the Great Spirit.

Then there were three equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish, He never got married, He was always telling stories, and He loved green pastures.

But the most compelling evidence of all is in the three good arguments that Jesus was a woman, He fed a crowd at a moments notice when there was no food, He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men that just didn’t get it, and even when He was dead He had to get up because there was work to do.

Audience: Applause

JJ: Very good! Are there any other people that have some entertainment for us?

Larry Woods: I have one thought; it says in the scriptures that Satan was a woman. In the Book of Job it says that Satan was a-broad in the land! Chuckling!

JJ: Abroad meaning that you are all around the place in the land. Chuckling.

Did you know that it says in the Bible where God came from?

It says in one of the versus, I can’t remember which one but out of the blue it says that God came from Teman or something like that. That is some land in the Bible. I can’t remember for sure which verse but I posted it once on the Keys about eight years ago. Do a search on the internet, God came from and it should come up. Teman is some land in the Bible.

(Internet search: Habakkuk 3:3 “God came from Teman, and the Holy One from Mount Peran. Selah. His glory cover the heavens and the Earth was full of His praise.”)

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 8

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 8 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

JJ: A few things about the full moon… DK states that during the exact moment of the full moon it is like a door is opened and this makes it easier for mankind to communicate with the hierarchy. He recommends you begin initial contact in communicating about two days before the full moon and continue to contemplate a few days after but right during the full moon is really the time of meditation to contemplate and receive messages from higher beings.

We are going to go through some various sounds that are connected with the chakras and as we make these sounds I want you to sound them as a group and then feel the vibration in the chakra itself. The first one affects the base chakra at the base of the spine and is called the life chakra because that is the source of life and it is where the life energy flows in every life form from the most primitive to the most enlightened being they have energy going through the base chakra. When you say this sound feel the vibration on the base of the spine.

There is a saying in the east that each man has so many breaths to breathe in a lifetime so the slower you breathe the longer your life is. I heard this when I was young so I thought well I better start breathing slower while I am young and maybe this will help me live longer but who knows because there is no scientific data on it but if you breathe deep you are going to get more oxygen.

(Transcriber: JJ and the audience making the sound and feeling the vibration at the base of the spine.)

The next sound governs the sacral energy, which governs the sexual energy, and the sacral energy is found just below the navel so concentrate on feeling it there.

We can do variations of this by putting emotion into it and when you put emotion into it, it amplifies it. Just like when they put emotion into the sound of the ocean waves and it amplifies its effect. Experiment with the sound until you find where it vibrates the most and when it vibrates the most then you are in the most harmony with that chakra.

The next sound is connected to the solar plexus and this governs the emotional world and the sound connected to the solar plexus is hope. It is interesting that “no” is the most popular word connected with this sound and the solar plexus does kind of block a lot of things because it reverses things. If a person is governed by the emotional self then the emotional self will reverse almost everything that is true. It is like the Bible says, the heart, and what that really means is the emotional self, is the most deceptive of all things. The pure heart energy is not deceptive but it is true that the lower emotions are the most deceptive of all things.

When you are arguing with somebody and you are on an intellectual level and they are on the emotional level then there is no way that they will listen to reason. They are sure they are right and truth and logic means nothing to them and no matter what you tell them they are bound by what they feel because if they feel that way then that is their reality and they just cannot shift to anything on a higher level.

So “no” is an interesting sound connected with the solar plexus chakra. By saying this sound correctly we can amplify it. It is important as we journey through life to understand when this chakra center is vibrating because often times the person will be on the mental plane or the spiritual plane or the spiritual heart and then shift right back down to where they are centered on the solar plexus.

Now the solar plexus is good as long as you recognize that your feelings are coming from there. Then you can guide your feelings and use them appropriately. The lower feelings have a use but if we let them be in charge they will almost always steer us in a wrong direction. So it is important that the disciple understand when he is being governed by his solar plexus. When he finds that he is then he has to stop and check himself and say wait I am being governed by my solar plexus and I need to switch upward and be governed by the higher purpose.

So if you know that the animal in you is not under control and you are really letting it out then it is in charge – that is your solar plexus and you need to bring it back under the control of that which is higher within you. Like when you find yourself cursing instead of saying ouch or darn that hurt. Use that part of you which is higher to say these words instead of saying all the curse words that you really feel like saying.

The audience and JJ are sounding the AUM.

When there is a catastrophe in our life our solar plexus really jumps in to the feeling nature and then registers it, whenever you have that oh no feeling that is your solar plexus and especially if it is accompanied by a feeling.

The next one is the heart chakra and that is the Ahh sound.

The audience and JJ are sounding the AHH using the throat.

There is a difference between the heart and the solar plexus; the solar plexus governs fear, state of happiness and pleasure and normal positive and negative emotions. The heart governs more spiritual love, the type of energy where the person loves not because he wants to possess but because it wants to serve.

Next is the throat chakra and throat says I, I am becoming and it identifies who you are. We will go a little bit higher this time.

(The audience is saying I-I-I in a little bit higher tone.)

The next chakra is the third eye and this is sounded in the A and we will go yet higher still for the pitch, you go a little bit higher as you progress to each chakra.

The last chakra is the top of the head or the crown chakra and is sounded in the E with a high pitch.

(The audience is sounding the E in a nice high pitch.)

Visualize the petals in the top of the head opening and lighting up when you say this sound.

The audience is sounding the E in a high pitch.

Visualize you are in the midst of a fire that does not burn like Moses was on the mount.

All the negativity is going up from the spine on up into this flame and into nothingness and all that is left is the purity of the spirit.

We are going to something a little different, the most beautiful sound in the world to each individual is the sound of what?

Audience: Their own name!

JJ: Boy, you people are sharp! I did not think anyone would get that. There are quite a few sounds within your name and you hear name probably more than any other sound out there so your name is something that what? What is it about your name that is different than other sounds?

It is the fact that all of us like to hear it, don’t we?

Audience: Yes

Yes, we like to hear our name. Now there are certain named sounds that we do not like to hear; for instance the IRS. We do not like it, we do not want to hear it, we do not want to speak it.

Audience: Chuckling

JJ Most of us have an emotional attachment to our name unless you are a macho guy and then you probably are not too emotionally attached to it. I named one of my daughters Ishmaella Elizabeth. I thought Ishmaella was a pretty name but it turned out she didn’t like it. When she went to school everybody started to call her Ishy. She did not like this so she changed her first name to Elizabeth. Artie is a somewhat unusual female name and she was not really excited about using it in the Immortal books so I used Elizabeth, my daughter’s name instead.

Now we need a volunteer for sounding their name – any takers? Okay Val come on up here and we will put you in this chair here. Now Val is a good name because it is easy to say.

Let’s look at Val and think positive thoughts while we just say his name. We are going to concentrate on healing energies. Almost everybody has something wrong with him or her and if you check with most anyone you will find this out.

Yes I have this thyroid thing and a few other things not working right!

Audience: Chuckling!

Anyway all of us are open to a charge of life force, even if we are relatively healthy we want more energy. Does anybody have more energy than they want?

Suzi: I have plenty!

Audience: Chuckling!

JJ: Outside of Suzi all of us need more energy. No matter we could always use a little bit more energy and a little bit less sleep and get up bouncing and ready to go. And if nothing else everybody could use a charge of energy and even though Val looks pretty healthy he would probably be happier if he were even healthier with more vitality. So if we just send vital energy it will help with physical problems and if he is healthy then he will have even more health and vital energy. This is what we are looking for.

So we want to send to the person in the middle the most positive energy we can drum up. First of all just say his name and think positive thoughts for him.

(Audience is saying his name (VAL) energetically, sounding and thinking positive thoughts for him.)

Okay now we break down the letters. Now Val needs to feel the charge that is coming through us saying his name.

Okay now sound the V

Okay now AL.

Now VAL

What do you think of and what is the energy behind your sounds? It sounds like some of the heart energy there.

(Audience continues to sound Val’s name in different ways and different pitches.)

One more time, charging.

Okay he is ready to go! Who is next? Rob has an easy name.

Audience is now sounding Rob’s name with charging energy.

It is a little bit like a cheerleader and every time Rob hears his name he should think they are cheering him on.

Okay now there are three sounds in this, one with each letter.

The audience is sounding out the letters individually with energy.

Okay one more time to charge him up.

Audience complies.

JJ: Okay that should last him for a year!

Joshua is next and the audience repeats the process.

JJ: We have three basic sounds with Joshua. Josh-U-A. The Josh gets the energy going and the U stands for passion so once he gets his motor going watch out he could be a real Romeo. Now josh has a lot of action behind so he should be a quarterback and throw that pass and really impress the girls.

When I first met Josh I thought he was a bit of a mystery and he does not reveal too much of himself.

Josh-who-ahh interesting name action with pleasure and that is quite a name and this was the native name of Jesus so to speak because he was called Joshua in Hebrew. And after all He did have a company of women following Him as it says in the Bible. Do you have a company of women following you Josh?

Josh: Not yet!

JJ: Ah is a building sound, Jesus certainly built the most successful organization even though those who followed Him built it and He still initiated it. So it would show that this name of Joshua has tremendous power of energy and building and creating. Do you see yourself as a creator a creative person?

Josh: Sort of but it is mostly in my own consciousness right now.

JJ: So you have not manifested that yet. Okay Josh-U-A. Lets say this several times.

Audience: Josh-U-A (Saying this several times)

JJ: Emphasize the last syllable.

Audience: Josh-U-A

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 7

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 7 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

JJ: Jesus does not say this in the regular Bible but in the Aquarian Gospel He said the body is like a harpsichord and when it is out of the tune the body will become ill. The master musician is the master tuner who will tune the sounds to harmonize with each other.

There is an interesting story that Jonathan tells in one of his books and that is he mentions that sound is kind of neutral in a way and in a way it is not. It is neutral in the fact that our consciousness can make of a sound what it wants to make of it. We have many sounds that can bother us, for instance the barking of a dog, but it is possible to tune out that sound. Listen to that sound and go with the sound. Many people just can’t sleep with any sound in the background and others can sleep and not be disturbed by anything in the background. Now what is the difference?

The person that is not disturbed lets the sound go through him. He accepts it and lets it pass through. The other person resists the sound and when you resist the sound it will bother you. My mom hated the Beatles and she would say where did you get that crap, it just sounds horrible and it is just a bunch of noise. She was resisting the sound – almost every adult I knew resisted the sound of the Beatles, which of course is hard to believe today because the Beatles did produce beautiful music. The older people all resisted the music of the day and we all accepted it. The difference is acceptance because Elvis, the Beatles and rock and roll was different than what the older generation was used to and they did not like it. Now the same thing can be true with real noise. You can resist it and it will bother you or you can just let it pass through you. I have learned to accept almost every background noise except for dripping water. I have not figured out how to accept this yet.

So when a sound occurs you can accept it or you can reject it. Jonathan talked about an interesting experiment. These guys recorded the sound of a seashore. You have heard this before where they have the sounds of the waves and such. But they recorded this in three different circumstances. The first they just recorded the sounds and did not have anybody there and recorded the sound as is. During the second they had one group of people listening to the waves and thinking very positive thoughts giving as much positive energy to the recording as they could. In the third recording they had the group send out anger and hateful feelings as it was being recorded. The question was, is there a difference in the recordings – because when you listened to them they sound exactly the same.

The result of muscle testing during the first recording showed no change in muscle strength. The second time when they played the recording with the positive thought from the group the muscles seemed to be much stronger than normal. But on the third one, where the people were thinking angry and negative thoughts as it was being recorded, the muscles became very weak.

Jonathan came up with the idea that the intention behind sound produced different effects. When they were enjoying the sound this produced a positive effect and that sound they were listening to became a greater sound. But when they added the negative thoughts and energy it became a negative force. The sound by itself was pleasant. Lets use Angelina Jolie again. If we see her we see the physical beauty of the form but what if she paid attention to you and you happened to fall in love with her? Then you have much more higher view of her and she would probably become even more beautiful to you than the average fan. This is the way it is with sound once you fall love with a sound it becomes greater to you than what it was, the sound becomes amplified.

Jonathan Goldman has an interesting selection of sounds and I am going to play just a few for you. I will play this CD called Frequencies and it is a collection of his best sounds.

The following sound is the sound to meditate on when you are contemplating the first chakra. The first chakra represents the life force.

Samples of Jonathan Goldman CD’s playing.

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 6

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 6 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

JJ: One of the initiates in the sphere of sound is a man called Jonathon Goldman, has anyone ever heard of this guy?

Audience: Yes, he is awesome and you have got to go to his website and read up on him and some of his CD’s will blow you away!

JJ: I have checked out a lot of CD’s on sound and this guy is way above anybody else and I believe he is one of the initiates and disciples working on the planet. When you listen to this you can tell and the interesting thing about the sounds I am going to play you is that he got them through a revelation. Revelation always comes through a point of tension when you put a lot of attention on something and learn everything you can about it and then start putting things together and then all of a sudden you will get a flash – and this is what happened to him.

He studied every aspect of sound and then after he did all the studying and thinking he got this flash that came to him about putting two types of sound together which are tuning forks and vocals. I recommend you check out his CD’s. He has not produced a bad CD and his worst one is better than the next guy up on the tracks. So this is a great one to listen to and I will provide a commentary as we go along. Holy Harmony is the name of this particular CD. You can buy this through Amazon or through a dealer or right off his website.

(The music begins to play and we hear beautiful voices harmonizing with each other and singing along with tuning forks. Words are not sung but we hear just the sound of the voices and the tuning forks.)

JJ: The effect of the two sounds together produces the harmony and he calls it Holy Harmony because it harmonizes your body. Because your body is made of sound according to the revelation that he got they are made to harmonize the body.

Close your eyes and feel your body actually vibrate to this sound and do this for a minute or two.

Light is a higher form of sound and now visualize the lights with these sounds.

Now watch the lights move.

Visualize these lights as living sound and see them wrapping around you like living water. The light is moving around you and gently embracing you revitalizing your body and soul.

Now feel yourself being lifted up to your higher body and you are able to look down on your physical body and see the beautiful lights healing and caressing your body. You see yourself being lifted up and you see others in this group being lifted up with you. You see us forming a circle overhanging over our physical bodies sending down energy to our physical bodies. You turn your consciousness upward and you see the Great Spiritual Sun the source of all light vibrating sending light and life energy through us back to the physical plane.

You have this sense that anything you want to know or have from God will be given you. Because you are willing to perform whatever service you are supposed to perform.

Now you look upward and you see a point of light, the light descends and you become aware that this is the Master of Spirit, this is The Christ descending in our midst, and He descends in the middle of our circle and as He descends we enter back into our bodies and He stands in our midst in the middle of us and looks at each one of us. He looks at you and He says, “Peace be unto you my fellow servant, I have a message for you.” Now listen for that message over the next few minutes.

A period of silence passes.

Did anybody have any interesting experiences or communications? Yes Adam.

Adam: The feeling I always get when I attend these Gathering’s is one of incredible sharing of love and it is an easy place to cast off all the baggage we carry around with us. It just such a wonderful experience and I always feel empowered when I come here. The impression I got was to take this experience home with me and share it with my wife, kids, family and friends and they need to feel this from you and I think that is hard to do sometimes. You come here and you have the great experience and then you go back to the everyday life. So the message was to connect and share with others and realize that many are on different paths.

Rob: I saw a lot of different geometrical patterns along with colors, reds, blues and greens during the meditation. It was kind of like a scene playing out in my mind and how I felt at that moment transcended all these boundaries and I needed a reminder of that. Because in the day-to-day world it is hard to see all your brothers and sisters as souls traveling along the path as you are.

Audience: The experience reminded me of the tuning forks sounding in rhythm to the northern lights.

Larry Woods: First I felt like I was dizzy and then like I was almost lifting out of my body and then I was seeing colors and it was green geometric shapes with a blue back round and then for some reason about half way through my mind kind of rejected all that and I saw darkness and it actually started to give me a headache so I for some reason I was no longer able to flow with it.

JJ: Jonathon Goldman points out that about 20% of people are allergic to penicillin and he says the only reason for this is that some people just do not like the sound of penicillin and they are allergic to it, there body rejects it, so some people will resonate with him and others will have different experiences and just not like him. And basically he says it is that way with everything and he points out that there is no one song that everybody likes. He plays one song like we just played that is very popular and when he gets the audience reaction there is always some that do not like it no matter how much everyone else likes it. He says one man’s cure is another man’s poison so you have to go by what feels right for you and if you feel negative about it then tune it out and do some meditation about it. Overall these sounds are harmless but some people will benefit more than others.

Larry: That was like the book, A Course on Miracles everybody was telling me how good a book it was but for some reason it did not connect with me.

JJ: Maybe in another life things will be different or maybe you are just seeing head and shoulders above what everybody else is seeing so you just never know.

Martha: I saw a very intense bright green and there were waves of this color and I could actually see them and then was a blue kind of coming in and the waves of blue were going in a different way and the waves of these two colors were quite incredible.

JJ: How many here saw colors come in waves?

Audience Member: I did not see strong colors but I did have some words come to my mind. Let your light so shine and a city that is set on a hill cannot be hid, I got the sense that I should share greater light and truth with all that I come in contact with whether it be little things and what ever people can accept.

Audience Member: Maybe it was too late for me because about half through all I got was silence but I did feel the group energy.

Audience: When you said gather together and join hands I saw where we actually did draw together and join hands and the center of light was with us during the meditation and felt the healing energy permeate the group.

Audience: I felt the vibration of the music and it is hard differentiate between the creative mind and what can be a spiritual experience and it is hard to put into words.

JJ: Do you feel it has an effect on your physical body?

Audience: Absolutely and when I added the AUM pitch to it you just cannot deny that feeling and I could see everybody’s spirit and I got the message to shoot from the heart with love, joy and peace.

Audience: It was awesome for me, I saw a lot of geometric shapes and I also saw everybody in the circle of light and when the Christ came down basically I just asked for validation on the path and I also asked specifically that my wife Chris could see and hear her mom and dad because they have passed over so we talked about that she would be able to do that should she choose to open up. And I was able to play with the energy back and forth between my hands.

Audience: I saw the blue and green and I could feel the energy rising up and it just right here in my chest and I could feel the energy flowing through my hands.

Audience: I really enjoyed the two sounds together and I believe that we tune into frequencies and along the way we hear a frequency that opens us up to something higher. It seems like I always carry that same pitch that I heard here and my first visual was standing in air looking into like 3D effect with points of light that were green, light blue and white. I could only think well they were stars and from there I went to our circle and the Christ figure came down and the message was quiet thy self and this had a lot to do with what you were saying regarding baggage and how much we carry around and sometimes because of this we cannot quiet our self and keep our focus long enough to hear the still small voice within. I will take this message that I do need to take the time and meditate and visualize more.

JJ: First of all I will relate the message I got which was, I am getting a little older now, I am 63 and the message I got was if you want to continue and have the power to do everything you want to do, help others to find their power and help others to get healed and you will be healed and revitalized. The key words here are restored and revitalized and this is a good principle for all of us to take into consideration.

It is kind of funny – last night when I was going through some of these sounds trying to figure out what I was going to use. I had the Olympics on a fairly big screen TV and the sound turned all the way down because I was listening to these Goldman sounds and I was looking at the TV watching the gymnasts twirling around doing their thing. These mystical sounds went so good with it reminded me of the movie Chariots of fire and I thought this is really great! They should use these sounds for the Olympics.

JJ: The really interesting thing about sound is that sounds by themselves do very little. They are kind of neutral but not entirely because a pleasant sound has a different stimulus than an unpleasant sound but part of the reason it is pleasant is because of our makeup of who we are. Some people find beauty in one thing and others do not.

But there are certain types of beauty that receive close to universal acceptance. For instance, it is hard to find anyone who does not think Angelina Jolie is not beautiful. Beauty is not entirely in the eye of the beholder, for they have found that if the person is symmetrical – when one side of the face is similar to the other side of the face – people will find this pleasing. The ugly guy will have one side of his face look one way and the other side looks quite a bit different and there a lot of other things factored in like keeping in shape and getting rid of that belly and so on. Scientists are a little perplexed as to how to put beauty in a box so to speak, but being symmetrical is a part of it.

I first became aware of the interchange between sound and form when Artie and I were up in British Colombia and there was a science fair going on so we stopped there and they had all kinds of scientific exhibits. They had one on sound – they had this big plate and they would play different notes and the notes would vibrate this plate with iron filings on it and the plate would vibrate in very interesting and beautiful patterns would appear. This was one of the things that stimulated my interest in sound. As soon as I saw these patterns I began to think about the word, the word vibrated and all these forms began to manifest from this wave.

Just think of how complex it is to make just one sound that manifests this beautiful wave and then to combine the complexities of many vibrations and that makes up us as a human beings. We are a very large number of harmonious vibrations. What produces beauty in the human being are these sounds, these vibrations are sounding and complementing each other and what produces ill health is when these sounds are out of harmony with each other. If you go to a piano and play a chord and if you play the wrong note then you cringe. It is almost like scratching your fingernail on a blackboard; it sounds really bad. When a piano is really out of tune it also sounds really bad.

There are tremendous amount of ways to produce disharmony and there is much more potential in the universe to produce disharmony. For instance, you send a child to a piano and say just go ahead and pound out some notes – the sound will not be harmonious at all. The only time you get a harmonious sound is when you apply intelligence. The little kid does not know what he is doing so he cannot play harmonious notes and any time he plays two or more notes it sounds terrible. So it takes intelligence to produce harmony and the fact that there is harmony within us as human beings tells us that there is intelligence at work behind our creation.

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 5

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 5 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

After we were ex-communicated we thought now we are free at least to go enlighten these Mormons for we no longer had to be under the cover of darkness. Now we could say anything we wanted. We figured we’d go to the Mormons and we would just enlighten them. The scripture says that a lot people want to know the truth but they just do not know where to find it. They will know where to find it now, we thought.

I went to a lot of my old friends that I thought were seeking the truth and when I gave them my stuff they did not just throw it away they burned it! Almost everybody I gave my writings to said they burned it. I would say did you read that stuff that I gave you? They would reply, I read the first three sentences and then I took it to the fireplace and I burned it!

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: I said, why would you burn it? And they replied that if they threw it in the garbage then there was a slim possibility that somebody may retrieve it so I burned the material so that nobody could ever read that stuff. I thought boy what is the matter with these people? We spent a year and half trying to enlighten the Mormons. We ran national ads and the people that replied that were interested in the teachings were non-Mormons and ex-communicated Mormons. The few faithful Mormons who listened to us were terrified about looking deeper.

Their response to us went something like this: “If you are right that there is reincarnation and continued progression then I am going to get another chance. Therefore, I can be in the church and play it safe and if you are right then I will come back and I will get another chance to accept but if the church is right and I am ex-communicated I will be like a son of perdition and I will go and dwell with the devil and his angels where a worm die not and the thirst is not quenched for all eternity.”

It is a punishment so horrible that it is said that a seer cannot even stand to look upon it in a vision and if there is one chance in a million that the church is right then they feel they cannot afford to take that chance. And I thought wow, I was once affected by that reasoning and it kind of made me keep a big toe in the church for much longer than I should of perhaps but where are the guts in these people and where is the ability to trust in the soul? The church teaches that the glory of the lowest kingdom in the afterlife is so great that we would commit suicide to go there if we could see it. But there is this special place for there apostates that is really, really bad even worse than the fire and brimstone of the Christian hell and that is where you go to if you are ex-communicated and this scares the living daylights out of these people and really keeps them in line.

So anyway we tried for all this time to enlighten them and we convinced one guy that was really into the church to investigate us and he got ex-communicated for it. Shortly after this he went back to church and kissed everybody’s feet and got re-baptized. It turned out that most who showed interest in the teachings were not connected to the church.

The next time I started teaching I decided the Mormons were a waste of time and effort because they did not want to learn anything they were all like mindless robots so I started teaching to anyone who would listen and just taught interesting material. Amazingly I found that about half the people who showed up were Mormons! This about blew my mind.

Around the time I met Artie I was taking a stab at being a professional astrologer and half the people that came to the astrology meetings were Mormons and I thought wow they don’t believe in astrology but here they were coming for astrology readings. I found that really interesting. What was the difference?

The difference was that when they saw us as being apostates and that they could possibly get ex-communicated, they were worried about themselves becoming a son of perdition and going to that terrible hell. But when I just taught and I did not give them any reason to be ex-communicated there was no risk in loosing their salvation, so they came and I had quite a few Mormons attend my classes. This revived my faith in Mormons as well as people in other religions for there are people out there looking but they do not want to take the big chance. Even my friend Wayne stayed in the church clear to the end. As a matter of fact after we testified at Curtis’s trial he got out of being ex-communicated. I should have thought of this but when they told him that they were going to have a trial for him he told them that if they ex-communicated him that he would sue the church. And so they left him alone.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: I should have thought of that and I asked him how come he was staying in the church and he said that his mother would be upset if he got ex-communicated.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: I always wondered about Wayne as to the possibility that he did want to keep one toe in there just in case, you never know.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: I think near the end that he did not care but maybe when he was younger he wanted to keep one toe in the door. This does not have much to do with sound but I do find this story interesting and revealing of our human nature to protect ourselves.

Audience: What ever happened to Wayne?

JJ: He eventually died from a heart problem that he suffered from. He passed about a year and a half ago.

Audience: And what about Curtis?

JJ: He is at a family reunion right now or else he would be here. He is doing fine and living in New Plymouth and he has a little oasis over there and he does a little bit of teaching and a few other things.

Back to the subject of sound. Everything we do including what I just did creates a certain sound. Playing music creates a certain sound and creates a certain mood for us and sound is a very interesting thing to contemplate for the scriptures say, “In the beginning was the word and the word was God and without the word there was nothing made that was made.” Now what is the word? Scientists say that the background radiation left over from the Big Bang is actually the left over remnant from explosion and they can pick this up as sound. It is the back round noise of the universe.

Even the scientists are concluding that the big bang began with a tremendous sound of some kind that exploded and created everything there is in this world of form. So it is interesting how science, religion and metaphysics are all combining at this time.

We have quantum physics that observe sub-atomic particles and sometimes they behave like a wave and sometimes they behave like a particle and the scientists cannot explain why this is. The only explanation some give as to why this happens is that particles change their behavior as we change our expectation. They think that the sub-atomic particles change from a particle to a wave when we look at it, like when we expect a wave we see a wave and when we expect a particle we see a particle. This is the only explanation they can come up with.

Scientists admit that is not a very good scientific explanation but they say they do not have a scientific explanation for why these sub-atomic particles behave the way that they do. All kinds of theories have surfaced about this and new age people have taken this to the extreme by saying whatever we think we are going to create but it does not quite work that way here in the physical world. Let us say an orchestra is playing a symphony and you want to create a rolling stones song to replaces it. Well, if you are in the audience and you start mumbling, I can’t get no satisfaction is anybody going to pay attention to you? No they are going to say shut up we want to listen to the symphony.

The guy is trying to make his own reality by replacing the symphony with the song “Can’t get no satisfaction” and he finds that it is really hard to do. Even so, new age people will often over simplify making their own reality. The book “The Secret” was a big seller and it makes it sound like all you have to do is think something and you can make it happen instantly. Now energy does follow thought but as your energy follows your thought there is all kinds of other sounds and all kinds of other thoughts that are intermixing and interplaying that is competing against your sound. If you want to create then you have to take into consideration all the other sounds that are out there and incorporate their existence into what you want to create. For instance, if you want a new car and you do not have the money you just can’t think and it will appear because there are all kinds of other people out there competing for the money to buy that car.

One of the best sales teachers I ever had said this to us in a sales training class, He said, “Those people out there have your money, now go and get your money from them!” Curtis and I were in this class together and we thought that was a great line. We used to say to each other when we went out on a sales call, “I am going to go and get my money from this guy. This guy has my money and I am going to get it from him” – by selling whatever it was at the time.

But it is not quite that simple yet many of the new age philosophies teach that you can get a million dollars or a beautiful home just by changing our thoughts. Well you know it says in the secret you just apply this thought and a check will come in the mail. I applied all these things and never got a check in the mail and the same with the tithing in the church. People used to get up and say yes I paid my tithing and maybe their aunt died or something and left them $10,000 and they were really blessed. I thought boy this never happens to me. I had often been down to the wire and it was really tough to pay the 10% plus all the other money they want for missionary work, building and all kinds of other things. So it was really tough paying that and I never did get that check in the mail.

Every time I paid tithing it was just a big sacrifice. So I do not understand where all these people come from in these stories saying things like, yes I applied this principle and I just received this check in the mail. I found in my life that this did not work for me or most other people either. And I also noticed that the people that say that they have this system that is going to make them millions are usually poor all of his life.

Take someone like the Bill Gates type. He has probably never approached a friend and said, hey we are going to get rich by meditating on this. As a matter of fact when he did get his big idea to get rich he probably did not share it with anybody. He probably thought I can get rich on this and I am going to keep it to myself and buy the DOS system from IBM and make it on my own ingenuity. He never got the big unexpected check in the mail but he was just enterprising and he incorporated what was going on out there and he just did not expect the check to arrive in the mail by thinking about it but he incorporated the principle with the competing sounds that were out there. He knew all the competition and he played the competition one against the other until things worked to his end. And this is what we have to do, we have to take in accordance all the different notes and sounds that are being played and realize that people are just not going to stop playing them.

JJ: Now getting back to money, which is easy to understand; if you want money for a new car and if it is going take $20,000 then how many people out there want that $20,000 dollars? A whole bunch of them and a whole bunch of them want it before you do and do they want it more than you and are they willing to put in more than you are to get it. If they are then you have to outsmart them or put in more effort or do something different. It is true that energy follows thought but the thought is the first step and the thought has to be followed.

JJ: I heard this story about this particular author and he created this mantra because he wanted $5,000 so he created this mantra to get the money so he started saying it over and over and over and finally he was in a serious accident and the insurance company gave him $5,000!

Audience: Laughing!

So the guy was not willing to pay for it by working in the normal way so the only way his soul could give him the $5,000 was to put him in an accident because he was not willing to go through the normal course of creating the hard work and the effort necessary to get the money. When you get something you should give the equivalent value in some way and the value does not have be in like. For instance if a person receives $10,000 then he may give $10,000 in teaching or helping other people who are in need or consoling people when they are depressed. All these things create good karma and they have value from the view point of the soul. The soul does not see value in just money but it sees value in full filling human need.

When we receive something that seems to be free the truth is this – it is never really free. I found this out when people try to help me or I try to help others. I have found that the most dangerous thing you can do in life is to try to help somebody. As soon as you try to help somebody for some reason that person is often a person that has a lot of negative karma for some reason and it kind of spills over on you when try to help them. Often times you really have to pay through the nose for helping that person.

I will give you an example; in my previous marriage my wife had this half sister that lived down in Oklahoma and she was in a stable circumstance. She worked as a maid in a motel and the motel furnished her with living quarters and everything was going along fairly good for her. Then my wife says, “What my sister needs is for somebody to put their arm around her and help her out because I think she could really go somewhere with a little assistance. The family has never really helped her out a bit.”

I thought that we were just asking for trouble here because she was in a fairly stable circumstance but my wife at the time said she wanted to help her out. I said are you sure about this and she was very adamant about this and the more we talked about it the more I believed she would have divorced me if I would have said no, so I said okay. So she drives all the way to Oklahoma and gets her and brings he back. She was with us about two weeks and my wife was just about tearing her hair out and she finally says to me, “Get her out of here or I am leaving you!” I thought wow!

Audience: Laughing!

So I took her and got her a motel room and this gal was always calling me when she needed help. She was really a pain and my ex-wife just ruled her out, I mean she just did not want anything to do with her because she really had some serious mental issues. She wound up having two little kids so she was raising these kids and this made it difficult to say no to her when she needed extra groceries or other help. So I helped her for a couple of years and then finally after pulling all kinds of shenanigans all my friends suggested I just drop her.

Finally, one day she asked me for a loan and I said no I gave you enough for this month and she just sat there in the car beside me as I was driving. There was a school bus coming toward us and she grabbed the steering wheel and tried to steer me into the school bus! All because she was mad at me because I would not give her more money.

So finally I said okay that is it and as difficult as it was with the two kids and everything I just had to tune her out of my life so I just let her go. For a couple years after that when I was married to Artie we had to put a call rejection on the phone and then she would go to phone booths and call. She called like crazy for about six months and then I never heard from her again. That really woke me up to the fact that when you help somebody you have to be really careful who you help. Jesus gave the principle behind helping He said help those that ask for your help. The problem we had with her is that she never asked for help at the beginning. My ex-wife just had the bright idea one day that we could help this gal and she just wanted to do some good in the world. Her sister was not asking for any help but boy she sure asked for it later on but in the beginning she did not ask. The key here is to help those that come to you and ask but even here you have to use common sense of course; because you can’t look on any rule as black and white, there is a time and season for everything that happens under heaven.

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Boise Gathering 2008, Part 4

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 4 of 15 in the series Boise Gathering 2008

Getting into Trouble

JJ: As I moved along in the church I discovered a number of things that were not church doctrine that were true and I began to write about them, but I had difficulty in sharing them with anyone because the church kept telling you, “Don’t delve!” They used that word “delve” all the time and if you delved then it was worse than child pornography.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: But I was a delver and I loved delving into everything. Members would come to my home from the church and they would see all these weird books that I had on the shelves and they would say, “Aren’t you getting into dangerous territory with those books?” I would say “Well is there anything in the church that says that I cannot have these books? I guess not so I’ll keep these books.”

Audience: Laughter

JJ: I told them there is nothing wrong with these books and they have some good stuff in them. But I kind of kept out of trouble because I knew where the boundaries were. When you are in an organization with a powerful thought form you just sense where the boundaries are. It is an unwritten thing.

The people that are active in the church claim “Oh there are no boundaries and we have free agency and you can say and think anything you want. Well, as long what you say does not cross the boundaries then you are fine and if you do not cross them you can say anything you want but if you want to explore then you are limited in what you can say and I really found this out.

I started doing some writing and I wrote this little treatise that was only about ten pages long proving that there was progression from one kingdom to another. The Mormons believe in only three kingdoms after death, the telestial, terrestrial and the celestial and they think that once you die and you are resurrected that you go into one of them and you are stuck there. You are in that kingdom for all eternity and you cannot progress. Well this did not sound fair to me so I did some research and found some scriptures and writings of Joseph Smith that supported the idea that there is progression from one kingdom to another. So I wrote this little ten page treatise and when I finished writing it I thought the only problem was that there was nobody I could give this to because even though this is fairly harmless I could probably get ex-communicated for it.

Meanwhile my nephew Curtis moved into town and he gave a speech at church. When a member moves into an area they are usually invited to give a speech at a sacrament meeting. I have known him all my life and as a matter of fact he worked for me one time when I was a foreman at a meat packing company and I thought he was the worst worker I had ever seen at the time. We would be packing livers and he would be standing over the livers asleep.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: We would start at 4am and we would have to pack all this meat and ship it. I would often find him sleeping and I said if you were not my nephew I would probably fire you. Anyway I did not have a lot of faith in him until he moved back into town. When he was gone and he started selling pots and pans and he became the number one salesman for the company in this area and I thought well maybe the guy is moving up and good for him. Anyway he moved into town and gave this speech and I was surprised how intelligent his speech was so I decided to test him out.

I did this with many of my Mormon friends and I would invite them over and ask them several questions to see if it was possible that they were interested in further light. One of the questions I asked was, do you have any idea where the Ten Tribes are because that is a big mystery in the Mormon Church. In the Mormon Church they teach about the tribe of Judah which is the Jews and the tribe of Joseph from which many of us are supposed to be descended. The other ten tribes are lost and some people think they are in outer space and some think they are under the earth and some think they are hidden, scattered throughout the world and it is a big mystery as to where they are. In the church if you even talk about this mystery then you are on dangerous ground. But just to casually ask is not looked upon as anything but if you claim to have the answer then you will be in trouble.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: So I invited my nephew over for dinner and I asked him, do you have any idea where the ten tribes are? He said, No but I sure would be interested in knowing!” Well I thought that was ten steps beyond what I usually received. It is amazing that when you talk to religious people, not only Mormons but also, all of the religions, if you see any glimmer of light or curiosity beyond the norm it is very unusual. For instance, for a born again Christian if you go beyond the blood of Jesus it is a giant step for these people.

So anyway I thought, okay I will hit him with something that shocks him and I said did you know that the scriptures say that there are people under the earth? And Curtis said he did not know that. So I showed him a couple scriptures from Revelation chapter 5 where it says, “ That no man in heaven, nor in the earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.” I said to Curtis who are these people under the earth? And Curtis looks at the scripture and says, yes it does say that doesn’t it? That’s weird. Who do you think they are?

I said well it could be the ten tribes, you never know. And he said, well maybe it is. So I showed him another scripture and said well it could be that because it says in the scriptures that the desert will blossom as a rose and the ice in the north will melt and the ten tribes will come down from the north after a melting of the ice and maybe the melting of the ice in the north will open some kind of a hole from the center of the earth so these guys will be able to come out, you never know. They could make the desert blossom like a rose when the ice melts. So who knows if that is true or not but you can come very close to getting ex-communicated just for thinking about it. Curtis was just eating this up and he said, boy this is great! What else do you know? And I said well a few things.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: I said I have this paper about the progression from kingdom to another and why don’t you take it home and read it. So he takes it home and reads it and comes back and says, boy this is really good stuff and I never really thought of this before and the only trouble is that the authorities don’t look at it this way. And I said yes that’s right they do not. So Curtis says, I have to think about this.

So the next day he was over at his friend’s home who was really into the church. He shared this treatise with him and they both called me up and they were both on the same line and Curtis said, my friend Neil was looking at this and he really has a good question. The prophet says that there is no progression from one kingdom to another. The prophet at that time was Joseph Fielding Smith and he had written books that says there is no such progression. Then he said, “Do you think you are smarter than the prophet?” And I said, yes, and all of a sudden there is a big silent pause because nobody in the church says that they are smarter than the prophet.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: After they gasped and revived themselves I said well it is obviously true, look at the scripture. For instance, it says that everyone that goes to that celestial kingdom gets a stone and that stone reveals there is a higher order of kingdoms than the celestial. Now if you are stuck in one of the kingdoms, and there is this higher order of kingdoms, does that means that you are never going to go higher even if you make it to the celestial? So you are stuck in the celestial kingdom and you can see this beautiful higher order of kingdoms but you are never going to be able to go there. Do you think that is what is going to happen? They said well we don’t think so. I said you are shown the higher order of kingdoms because you are going to go there someday. There are higher kingdoms than the celestial, which everybody in the church thinks is the highest. Joseph Smith said specifically that there is a higher order of kingdoms than the celestial.

Curtis said, “Well I have to think about this.”

JJ: So Curtis comes back to me later and says well this makes sense and I am moving down to Blackfoot and I am going to make copies of your article and I am going to share it with a bunch of people down there. I said no, no, no, if you share it with people down there then you will get ex-communicated. He said well it is not against church doctrine. I said technically no but you are challenging the powers-that-be with it and you will get us ex-communicated.

He did not think that was true at all and that I was just imagining it. So he goes down there and he makes a bunch of copies and gives it to various elders and friends and after about two weeks the bishop calls him in and says, now Brother Hartwell can I have your temple recommend. And Curtis says temple recommend why? He says I am taking it back for you have been passing around this dangerous literature. We are going to have a trial for your membership by the high council in three days. Now the only witness’s you can have must be members in the church in good standing. So if you want to call anybody you can.

So he calls me up the next day and says, they are trying me for my membership and they are only giving me three days to prepare and the only witnesses I can have are members in good standing and you are the only one I can ask so will you come down and testify for me? I said I planned on being ex-communicated someday but on my own terms. I said this is going to get me ex-communicated and I will probably lose my wife and kids and it will completely alter my life. You are now going to ex-communicated no matter what I do. Then he says yes but you got me into this so you have to get me out … PLEASE come down. I said well if I come down it is not going to help but I’ll do it for you.

So anyway I told my friend Wayne, that is in the book the Immortal, about this and he says with much enthusiasm, can I come down with you? He did not mind if he got ex-communicated at all. He was single and never went to church and did not believe in it much anymore.

So I said sure and we went down to Blackfoot together. After arriving, they were not even going to let us in. I later wrote the story of the trial in the story “Journey’s End” where it talks about Curtis’s trial and it was written fairly accurate as far as I could remember. I would not have known at all what they were saying if I hadn’t put my ear to the door so I could hear what was going on.

But they were not going to let us in and Curtis reminded them that they said he could have witnesses if they were in good standing with the church and Wayne and Joe out there are still good members of the church. Curtis had to be persistent and finally they let us in. I got up and started to tell them a few things about back in Joseph Smith’s day how the high council ex-communicated this guy for preaching the mysteries out of the book of Revelation and Joseph Smith came to them and he said what are you guys a bunch of Pharisees? He said we should have the privilege of thinking and believing the way that we please without being thrown out. He said you guys are acting like Methodists here instead of like Latter Day Saints. Apparently the Methodists were strict back then for now they are easy going.

Joseph told them to put this person back in the church and furthermore his teachings were fairly accurate. The next day he gave a big sermon out of the book of Revelations. So I said, If a man errors in doctrine it does not mean he is evil. If you think this man errs in doctrine, that does make him evil and it does not mean we should throw him out. I explained this to them and these guys were sitting there just about going to sleep and they were looking at their watches thinking they need to get home to the wife and kids and this really irritated me. I thought now these guys believe that when Curtis is ex-communicated that he is going to be like a son of perdition with no priesthood, no nothing. He is going to the lowest hell and they are going to send him there without due consideration, a fate worse than death in their minds. This really irritated me. There was this big unabridged dictionary sitting on the table in front of them so I took it in my hands and slammed it down as hard as I could and I pointed at one of the guys and I said, “You!!! You are putting this guys salvation on the line and you are not even paying attention.” I believe I woke everybody up at this point.

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: You’re putting this guys salvation on the line and you are sending him to a fate worse than death in your eyes and you are falling asleep. You are conducting this trial contrary to the order of the church.

Well they excused me as soon as they could and when I was out in the hall I listened at the door again and the stake president got up again and he says, “The guy has the spirit all right but it is the wrong spirit!”

Audience: Laughing!

JJ: Then Wayne came in and he gave his two cents worth. Then they wrapped up the trial as soon as they could and condemned Curtis into outer darkness. Then after a few more weeks the bishop drove up to my place with a summons. This took a little longer than I had thought but they had to send it all the way to Salt Lake and then back again.

Copyright 2011 by J J Dewey

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