This entry is part 81 of 98 in the series Principles
The Principle of Rebirth
When Nicodemus, the Jewish leader, sought out Jesus by night to seek his wisdom he gave him an unusual teaching. Jesus told him, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3
This was confusing to Nicodemus, even after Jesus explained that we can be born again on different levels, the spiritual as well as the physical.
Since we are dealing with principles here the question we must ask is what is the underlying meaning behind this thought?
It is basically this. All things in the universe go through a recycling process as they journey to perfection.
Consider water of the streams, lakes and oceans of the world. The component molecules of hydrogen and oxygen evaporate into the air until a saturation point is reached. Then clouds form and it rains pure distilled water back to the earth. Then as time passes the various water molecules repeat the process.
Now consider the things we manufacture from books to cars. After they are worn out we recycle them and from the old parts we create new cars and books.
This even applies to the earth, the sun and the universe itself. When stars die out they either explode or burn out, but either way their elements still exist and will be components of new stars and planets in some distant time.
How about us humans? Are we born again, or recycled? How about other life forms?
Consider something like grass. If left alone the blades of grass live and die and then their elements are drawn into the earth and recycled into new blades of grass. We know for sure the elements of the grass are recycled, but how about the life itself? It only makes sense that if the elements that house the life are recycled that the life itself is also.
If, you a life form, tear apart your old house and build a new one and then occupy that house you are a life that is recycled into a new house.
To be born again has several meanings. The most popular one is the idea that we can switch from being a carnal person to a spiritual one. This is indeed one of the meanings, but Nicodemus asked Jesus this question: “How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”
Jesus never told Nicodemus he was wrong, but spoke of two levels of being born again. He said: “ Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
One level of being born again is by being born into spiritual consciousness, but he spoke of another, the same idea that astounded Nicodemus. He said we must also be born again “of water.”
When the baby is in the womb it is completely submerged in water. A physical birth is literally being born from water. If the person enters again into a mother’s womb and is born again he is born from water.
This means we as individuals are recycled in two different ways. We are recycled into the world of spirit after death. There we live in a spiritual sphere, one of the “many mansions” for a period of time between lives. Then, after a period of contemplation and preparation we enter again as a baby into a mother’s womb and are born again of water.
At death we are born again to spirit and at physical birth we are born again of water into physical reality.
With each recycling of our life through water and spirit we learn our lessons until we comprehend the higher way and enter into the kingdom of God.
A few weeks ago on Facebook someone posted a side-by-side picture of Trump and Mussolini with the implication that they have a similar look and character. Then it mentioned that Mussolini died April 28, 1945 and Trump was born June 14, 1946 suggesting that Trump may actually be Mussolini reincarnated.
Since I believe in reincarnation I do consider that various heroes and villains of the past could be born again so I decided to check into this possibility.
The first thing to realize in looking at pictures of the two is that we get different bodies in each life. Sometimes there is a similar look and sometimes the physical appearance of the two is not that close. The look of character in the eyes will have the most consistent similarities.
Thus, a similar look is anecdotal evidence, but not proof. More important evidence are the mannerisms or idiosyncrasies of the two.
If we went by looks alone then John Kerry would have had to have been President Andrew Jackson for the similarities are striking. His character traits are quite a bit different though, so, in my opinion, it is doubtful that Kerry was Jackson.
Here is the picture linking Trump with Mussolini.
I found the comparison intriguing so I decided to check it out. My first concern was why show Mussolini covered up with a helmet if you want to make a fair comparison? When I checked out pictures of him I saw why, as the two men look quite a bit different when all their features are revealed. Here is a picture of Mussolini without a hat.
I found the comparison intriguing so I decided to check it out. My first concern was why show Mussolini covered up with a helmet if you want to make a fair comparison? When I checked out pictures of him I saw why, as the two men look quite a bit different when all their features are revealed. Here is a picture of Mussolini without a hat.
The first was a picture of the helmeted Mussolini as a fairly young man and in the second he was in his fifties. Donald is almost 70 and has aged much more gracefully. Below is a picture of Mussolini just before he died at age 61, almost a decade younger than Trump.
A big difference is the hairline, but another not so obvious is their height. Mussolini was short, only about 5’6”, whereas Trump is 6’2”.
Another physical difference was in their dress. Trump is a stylish dresser who wears expensive clothes. Mussolini showed little concern about how he looked and was known for looking unkempt and somewhat unrefined and careless in dress.
Contrary to the Trump accusers out there one cannot draw anything conclusive from the physical appearance of the two men.
So, what are some of the other similarities floating around the web?
One of the accusations is that the two have a similar style of speaking. It is indeed true that both could keep an audience enthused, but both good and bad guys have done this in the past. What we need to do is compare their actual speaking style by examining it.
Here is a video of Mussolini giving a speech to a crowd
Notice that Mussolini seems to be more emotional and animated in his presentation than Trump. He kind of came across as a Hitler wannabe. A consistent gesture made by Mussolini was putting his hands on his hips which I have not seen Donald do.
Also notice the sound of their voices are quite a bit different.
A case for Trump being Mussolini reincarnated is the citation that Mussolini died April 28, 1945 and Trump was born June 14, 1946. Trump being born a little over a year after Mussolini died is supposed to be evidence of them being the same entity.
That is pretty weak evidence as many millions of people were born in 1946 and billions have been born after the death of the Duce.
Bill Clinton was also born in 1946 and Hillary in 1947. Maybe one of them is the real Mussolini.
Then too Obama was born 16 years after Mussolini died so even he could be the guy. After all, if you compare the response of the crowds to the young Mussolini to the Young Obama there are strong similarities.
Yes, it is true that if a famous person is reincarnated he would be expected to come back after his death date, but since billions of people are prospects this comparison is very weak evidence.
Actually the short time of a little over a year between the death of Mussolini and the birth of Trump gives evidence of Trump being an unlikely candidate for his rebirth. When an entity makes as many mistakes as Mussolini did the soul usually has the person spend some time in the spirit world contemplating his past life and absorbing lessons in preparation for a new life in an attempt to right some wrongs.
Let us look at several other comparisons of the two men.
They were both builders.
Yes, they both initiated a lot of construction, but their approach was very different. Trump did all his building through his own initiative using the private sector.
Mussolini didn’t build anything of significance until he achieved control of the government with vast financial resources. He then started many public works projects in an attempt to put people to work and help the economy.
This approach was much more like FDR than Trump, yet no one is comparing Trump or Mussolini to Roosevelt.
They both wanted to make their country great again.
Every politician claims to want to make his country great. The word “again” is the significant one. America’s greatness is associated with recent times incorporating the principles of freedom, rugged individualism and a government that represents the people. Italy’s past greatness was associated with the totalitarian Roman Empire many centuries ago. And indeed Mussolini took over the government by force and ruled as did the emperors of the past. This was his vision of greatness whereas Trump places his idea of greatness on past independence and financial strength.
Both men wanted to rebuild and strengthen their military.
This may be true but at least half of the people who run for president speak of this as a goal.
Trump Quoted Mussolini.
In a Tweet Trump quoted Mussolini.
Here is the quote: “It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.”
Trump’s adversaries planted a number of Hitler and Mussolini quotes on Twitter bating Trump in the hope he would use one so they could accuse him. Trump took the bait, but was unapologetic. When asked if he wanted to be associated with a fascist, Trump said: “No, I want to be associated with interesting quotes.”
Indeed, if you remove the bias that it was used by Mussolini then it is a pretty good quote. Who wouldn’t rather be associated with a lion rather than a sheep that just blindly follows? I like the quote and in no way am associated with Mussolini.
Many quotes from Napoleon are used from quotation books and he was a dictator in a similar vein to Mussolini.
People are very hesitant to quote Hitler but he did say a few things that ring true such as:
If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.
What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.
And this one I find amusing though Hitler probably said it with serious tone:
Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.
So, if you agree with any of these quotes does it mean that you are like Hitler? Of course not.
What is overlooked by critics are obvious differences between the two men
(1) Trump gained his fame through free enterprise and capitalism.
Mussolini wasn’t much of an entrepreneur and his claim to fame was through political stealth.
(2) Trump didn’t show much interest in participating in politics until old age whereas Mussolini was very politically involved all his life, starting at his teenage years.
(3) Mussolini sought national leadership by taking over the government by force. Trump is seeking leadership through a free election.
(4) Mussolini saw a dictatorship as the best and most effective government. Trump supports the U.S. Constitution.
(5) Trump has never drank alcohol. Mussolini liked to drink but had to curtail it because of health problems.
(6) Mussolini had health problems throughout his life and looked older than his age. Trump has had good health and looks younger than his years as he approaches 70.
(7) Those close to Mussolini testified to his mean spirited nature whereas those close to Trump generally say that he is warm hearted, kind and generous, quite a bit different image than perceived by his political enemies.
(8) Mussolini didn’t care a lot for money, getting rich, making deals etc. – the opposite of Trump.
(9) Mussolini considered himself to be “a defender of Islam,” while Trump sees Islam as a major problem.
(10) Mussolini persecuted the Jews while Trump embraces his daughter, grandkids and others who are Jewish.
Though anything is possible it is obvious the similarities are not strong enough to reach any serious conclusion about Trump being the reincarnation of Mussolini.
Since Trump is a powerful personality it is quite possible he has been someone of note in his past lives. We can only speculate on who that may be.
I introduced a new key in this gathering and as luck would have it, there was a flaw in the recording equipment and most of the speech on introducing this was lost.
This key was a little different in that the basics of it has been taught before by others. The Sixth Key of Knowledge is The Law of Correspondences.
This is indeed a key of knowledge and an understanding of it leads to unlimited knowledge and understanding.
Even though the teaching on it has been out there for ages most teachers have made the mistake of seeing it as black and white in principle. They make the statement as above so below and below is as above and leave it at that.
This approach leaves a huge gap in finding the truth as that which is above is never exactly like the below. The insight in this key is that God is always doing new things and when a higher creation appears it has correspondences to lower or previous ones, but always with a twist and that twist has to be found through the use of the intuition.
To understand we can look at history. They say that history repeats itself when it fact it does not do so exactly. One cycle of history may correspond to a past one, but there will always be differences. To discover the coming differences requites intuitive contemplation.
With physical creation an atom corresponds to a solar system, but with a twist. There are a lot of similarities, but also there are differences and the differences on a higher level are a key to the manifestation of greater intelligence.
Anyway about an hour of the presentation was lost but some of the gaps are filled in a previous article here.
This entry is part 37 of 57 in the series Mysteries
Is There Reincarnation?
The answer to this question can be found in other questions. Let us ask a few.
Is life fair?
Most would say that it is not. Life is not a little unfair, but a lot unfair.
Some suffer and die at a young age. Others live long healthy lives.
Some struggle in poverty and hunger all their lives. Others are born into wealthy families and never know want.
Some find the love of their lives. Others die lonely and sad.
Some are born with lots of intelligence and talent. Others lack this and are consigned to tedious work or crime throughout their lives.
Few believers want to think in this direction but sooner or later this question must be asked: Since life is unfair, does this mean that God is unfair?
Anyone who is honest must answer this in the affirmative. Yes. If life is unfair (which it is) then indeed it does mean that God is unfair.
Yes, yes, I know, the counter idea is that God will compensate all unfairness in the next world. The problem is that answer does not satisfy the soul. If a person never knows what it is like to find a soul mate while in the mortal flesh then according to standard doctrine he will have missed this wonderful opportunity for all eternity.
The how about the guy who is sexually abused as a child and becomes an abuser himself? Many think he will go to hell. But if were not abused he might have lived a good Christian life. Was it fair that he was shoved in such a destructive direction in an unfortunate life?
So… Is God fair?
Well, if God is not fair then He is not to be trusted. If He is not to be trusted then we have no guarantee that anything good awaits us after death.
But, I have good news. God is indeed fair – more than you ever imagined.
Fairness is provided to us through reincarnation.
We live many different lives. In some lives we are rich, others we are poor. In some we have good health and others, not so much. In some we find love and happiness and others we learn what it is like to be rejected and alone.
We are born again and again until we find the resurrection of life and enter the Kingdom of God. At that time we will reflect upon our long history and see that all things good and bad have been experienced, and, indeed, life is fair and, above all, God is fair.
The following verse makes sense when we realize that Jesus lived many different lives:
“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.” John 21:2
According to orthodox belief, the apostles only knew Jesus for three years and this was not enough association to even write a book. Each of the gospels that were written about him was only the length of a short story, not enough material for one book, let alone books so numerous that they would fill the earth.
When did Jesus do all these thousands, perhaps millions of deeds so numerous that they would fill thousands of volumes??? There is no way that so many works could be done in a mere 33 years. Such a voluminous history would have to span many lifetimes.
Many think the Bible does not teach reincarnation, but evidence of this principle is given throughout the scriptures. I’ll just cite one more example and refer readers to my other writings on the topic at freeread.com.
The scriptures give a prophesy about the coming of Elijah the prophet to do a great work on the earth:
“Behold, I will send you ELIJAH THE PROPHET before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.” Malachi 4:5-6
Here we have a clear prophecy that Elijah the prophet will come back before the Lord comes.
The disciples were curious about this scripture for if Jesus was the Messiah, they reasoned that Elijah should have shown up somewhere. They asked him:
“Why then do our teachers say that Elijah must come first? He replied, Yes Elijah will come and set everything right. But I tell you that ELIJAH HAS ALREADY COME, and they failed to recognize him, and worked their will upon him; and in the same way the Son of Man is to suffer at their hands. Then the disciples understood that HE MEANT JOHN THE BAPTIST.” Matt. 17:10-13 New English
That is pretty clear, is it not? Elijah was born again as John the Baptist and did fulfill the prophecy.
On top of the tremendous amount of evidence in the Bible there is also physical evidence. Many thousands of people have been regressed and have retrieved information from previous lives that has been verified. On top of this many people, especially children, recall their past lives naturally.
Dr. Ian Stevenson, the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia made this his life’s work. He traveled the world studying these people and has accumulated about 3000 cases in his files.
Most of the more amazing cases occur with young children just several years old who are just learning to speak. As a general rule they remember the past life for a couple years and lose the memory around the age of five or six.
In a typical situation the child may insist that her parents are not really her parents, but that her true parents (and perhaps spouse) are in another city or part of the country). Dr. Stevenson caught many of these children before they had a chance to visit their home of a previous life and took them there and scientifically examined their response. In many cases the child’s memory of a past life was proven, for the name given out was discovered to be a real person who died. The child was then taken to the home of her past life and identified dozens of memories that she could have not acquired in this life. If there was some secret hiding place he or she would identify this. If there were favorite possessions, these would be pointed out.
Before he died in 2007 he wrote 14 books and around 300 papers giving powerful evidence of reincarnation.
The irony is that his work may not only be the most powerful earthly evidence of reincarnation, but also for life after death. After all, if reincarnation is true then life continues after death in the spirit world followed by a rebirth.
Blayne: Might does not make right or legal. That is essentially your argument;
JJ You’re only half right. I am saying that might does not make right, but might does create what is judged to be legal by Constitutional authorities.
Blayne: I wonder if the congress ever passed a law like I described that it was okay for congressmen and judges to rape any woman at will would that inspire the majority to stand up and say no that is illegal and even take up arms to enforce the majority will if necessary?
JJ They haven’t passed anything that outrageous but they have passed laws that so offended public consciousness that the people have forced change. The Kansas-Nebraska Act expanding slavery caused extreme outrage. The Jim Crow laws motivated Martin Luther king to lead millions of black and whites to support repealing them. Woman rebelled against the Constitution rejecting their right to vote as well as other laws preventing them from having control over their own property. Obamacare is certainly causing a lot of people to object and has fueled the Tea Party.
In Boise many years ago they passed a law that it is illegal to fish from a giraffe’s neck. That didn’t seem to have any teeth. I’m not sure if that was someone’s version of moral natural law or what.
Nov 3, 2011 Happy birthday Keysters
Last weekend marks the 13th anniversary of the Keys of Knowledge group. The group entity is now a teenager. Rick
JJ Time flies when you are having fun. I’m glad you nudged me into doing this ahead of my personal schedule.
Nov 3, 2011 Re: Morals and Legality
Using a definition of words that does not match the mainstream use changes nothing, but if we change the accepted laws which may not be just then we have accomplished something.
It doesn’t matter that much how words are defined. What matters is how we use those words to communicate.
LWK In our system a legislative act that passes the required steps is in fact the law unless challenged and overturned by the courts. I don’t see any other practical way to do it. One can say “illegal” all one wants but it is the law if passed unless challenged and overturned.
JJ I would guess that about 99% of the people would agree with you on this Larry s well as the Founding Fathers.
Blayne: Might does not make legal.
JJ Might has determined what is legal since the beginning of time. What makes you think otherwise????
Just because you or I think something should be doesn’t mean that’s the way it is.
Nov 3, 2011 Re: The First Point 101
Duke: I wonder which side they (the South) would have taken in World War Two, and whether that would have tipped the scales.
JJ There’s no way to know for sure but I would say there is at least a 50/50 chance they would have supported Germany. especially if they still had a grudge against the North and they were supporting the Allies.
Apologists think that slavery would have died a natural death within a few years, but I do not think so. The South was working to expand it to the West, Cuba and Central America. It was so embedded I don’t think they would have given it up without a fight.
Nov 4, 2011 Re: Morals and Legality
Blayne: Not true people have also practiced right actions or what’s legal without being forced since the beginning of time too.
JJ What people practice has absolutely nothing to do with determining what is legal. Even the most virtuous of laws can only be made and enforced through the might of the government. If there is no penalty attached then the law has no power. I myself, virtuous guy that I am, would go over 40 MPH in most 20 MPH zones if it were not for a possible penalty.
Blayne: Just because some circumstance the way it is does not make it legal.
JJ Because you are attached to only one definition of legal (even though there are several in the dictionary) this makes it almost impossible to communicate with you about law. You stick to your extreme minority definition and will not speak the sane language as others do here concerning legality or see where they are coming from.
It is a fact that you ignore that the powers-that-be determine what is legal and not your own version of what is moral.. Thank God, for if we let everyone do that we could have slavery again for half the country used to think that was a natural right.
Blayne: According to your logic if the local Mafia forces you to pay protection money or be harmed that makes it legal. After all that is the way it is…
JJ I’ve already dealt with this reasoning. The Mafia has no constitutional power to make or enforce law. But if they did control the government then what they passed would be legal.
Nov 4, 2011 Cool Topic
Perhaps I can illustrate the communication problem we have with Blayne on laws and legal if I illustrate with a different word. We’ll use the word “cool.”
Jim: That’s a cool song.
Bob: You’re wrong. Cool means a low temperature and a song has no temperature. It cannot be cool.
Jim: But there’s more than one definition of cool. I’m not talking about temperature. I’m saying that was a good song.
Bob: But cool, hot and cold can only be measured in degrees. A thing has to have natural form and mass to be cool. A song has neither.
Jim: You’re not listening. I’m not talking about cool as related to temperature but to the quality of a thing.
Bob: But cool is always related to temperature.
Jim: Where do you get that idea?
Bob: That was the original meaning. Any change of the meaning is just a corruption.
Even so, what is called natural moral law is as different from the legalities necessary to legally execute Awlaki as the two definitions of cool.
When I asked if it was legal I wasn’t asking if it conformed to your version of what is moral nor was I referencing anyone elses version of morality but merely a legality that would be accepted in a current court of law.
Nov 5, 2011 Conclusion
This Awlaki discussion has probably run its course. We could continue dissecting but the point has been made. And what was that?
Remember that we began this discussion to illustrate two things.
(1) How difficult it is to resolve communication problems through the Internet. It is bad enough in person but here the process is much slower and sometimes sluggish. The one advantage is we can access facts through the Internet and take the time to sift through them as the discussion moves forward.
(2) The difficulty in reaching union when there is a strong disagreement. When we attempt to create a molecule it is important we approach it realistically. By examining this disagreement and others in the past I think we can see what we are up against in getting a group of 24 or more to reach the union necessary to achieve group soul contact.
I was hoping to get this disagreement to the point where we could narrow the focus down to a principle so we could attempt to reach union through the soul, but we haven’t come close to this.
Instead we got stuck on the definition of words which is about a million miles from finding the principles involved. The soul has no interest whatsoever in how society determines their terms, but how words, however they are defined, are used in dealing with principles.
If you can get down to the principles involved in an argument two or more sensitive people can reach harmony through the soul.
The first molecule will have to be composed of people who have been tested in group activity and are in basic harmony with each other on core principles and attitude toward life.
Here is a brief assessment of the Anwar Al-Awlaki case.
Was the assassination legal? The evidence seems to indicate it was but there are dissenters. The ACLU is going to file a lawsuit and if it goes to trial a final legality will be decided.
Is Awlaki guilty of a crime?
There are enough of his own words and witnesses to his words to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that he is an enemy to the United States and is likely guilty of treason.
Did Obama do the right thing in taking Awlaki out?
I think we should take out all the active enemies of this country that we can but the fact that he was an American citizen made the situation problematic and should have been handled differently. They should have first revoked his American citizenship, made the details of his crimes available to Congress and the people and then taken him out.
Nov 5, 2011 Re: Blayne’s Blindspot
Blayne: … as long as [The Constitution] is the law the federal government is supposed to follow it sure would be nice if they actually followed it…
LWK I absolutely agree with that idea.It is kind of useless to have a “law of the land” that in many instances is largely ignored or twisted in interpretation into something entirely different.
Perhaps this highlights a mistake that the Founders made. It was their intention to make it difficult to change the Constitution and therefore the amendment process is very difficult, and impeaching judges who largely ignore it is similarly difficult. It might have been easier for the government to adhere to a Constitution and replace errant judges who blatantly misinterpret it if it weren’t quite to hard to change in the first place.
JJ Good points Larry. If there is some law our representatives do not like they will just ignore it whether it be in the Constitution or some law passed through Congress. Illegal aliens is typical. There are plenty of laws on the books that would take care of the problem if enforced but their solution is to just create more laws.
There’s still a law saying we can’t fish from a giraffe’s neck here in Boise, but no one is stopping anyone from doing it. They are ignoring that law!
Nov 5, 2011 Re: laissez faire thought experiment
Putting thieves and rapists in jail does not interfere with the workings of karma but enhances it. It secures the rights for those with good karma so they can live in freedom as they deserve. As far as payback for bad karma goes – if they can’t get it here there are hellholes like North Korea and Afghanistan reserved to take care of lots of negative karma various entities have accumulated.
The enhanced karma I was talking about is the good karma. That takes some law and order to secure for the just. There’s always plenty of opportunity for the bad guys to receive their just due – that is until Zion is established.
Natalie: When Zion is established what will happen to those “bad guys” who have not yet received their just due?
JJ As we move toward a more peaceable society with less violence and tyranny there will be fewer opportunities for those with a cruel or selfish nature to pay off their karma and many of these will not be able to incarnate. As a result of a better situation more people with good karma will incarnate causing society to improve.
Don’t worry about the bad guys though for they will eventually get another chance.
Nov 6, 2011 Thoughts on Oneness
I’ve been contemplating the unresolved differences we have had lately and have some thoughts to share.
The question that might arise in these discussions, not only with Blayne, but others in the past is this.
How is it that any two sincere seekers cannot resolve their differences when both have had a degree of soul contact in the past?
The answer is this. The language of the soul is the language of principles. To resolve differences you have to distil away the non-essentials until you are left with the pure language of principles. It is then that differences can be resolved.
To understand this let us examine the principles involved in the argument that I (and others) have had with Blayne.
(1) The Principle of Freedom. This relates to decisions, actions, plans, procedures, laws, etc that bring the greatest amount of freedom to the largest possible number of people.
I believe that Blayne and I both heartily accept this principle.
(2) Laws are a branch under the Principle of Order, which are under the Principle of Creation. Just laws should therefore enhance order and creativity, or life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Some laws made and accepted by man conform to true principles and some do not.
(3) The Principle of Justice. I believe that both Blayne and I accept this and want it to prevail.
(4) The Principle of Judgment. Good judgment is necessary in the creating and application of law as they apply to humanity
I think that Blayne and I agree on these basic principles and if we had a discussion just dealing with them we would most likely be in harmony and open to group soul contact. So what causes the actual differences then?
The problem arises when we take our focus off true principles and put them on details that are not principles.
The biggest detail that has been a problem is the definition of “legal.”
The reason that arguing over definitions is a lost cause is that they have nothing to do with any of the principles of the argument. Instead, words can be used in any language with any definition to communicate true principles. Communication of principles is not dependent on how words are defined. If it were one could never explain a principle in French or Spanish as all the words are different there.
Every time I have had an augment with someone who reverts to the dictionary or some other source to prove the meaning of words I know the argument is going nowhere.
On the other hand, every time that I have been in harmony with someone there is never a need to define a word to prove anything.
Because two people touching the soul together can understand each other and sense the meaning of the communication even if some of the words may not seem to be used exactly right.
When Jesus said “destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up” his enemies thought he was referring to the temple in Jerusalem, but those closest to him knew he was speaking of his body.
When we are close to someone and tune into them then we will know what they mean even if they use words differently than we personally define them.
Now Blayne thinks a law is not legal if it does nor conform to the morality of natural law. That’s fine and I accept that he thinks this way.
The problem is the question was not related to this definition but to how the legal system of today defines legal. When a judge, police officer or attorney uses the word “legal” he means something different than Blayne does. Since Blayne does not seem to recognize legal by the common use today (and this is what the discussion was supposed to be about) we had a huge communication gap.
The gaps create the illusion that we disagree on principles when we do not.
Maybe I should have asked Blayne something like this. “Was Obama’s action legal as seen though this corrupt system where everything is going to hell in a handbasket?”
Maybe that would have worked.
Anyway the key to union is to tune into each other so true communication can be established.
Note to Duke: You asked a good question. I’ll deal with it shortly.
Nov 7, 2011 The Two Definitions
Re: Jefferson’s inspiring wording
Larry, my friend. Your feelings seemed to be hurt over something. I don’t think that anyone had any intention of hurting you. All of us regulars seem to take turns being fiercely disagreed with at one time or another, but that does not mean that anyone is showing disrespect.
We want to have an atmosphere where all are free to speak their minds as long as they remain fairly civil.
As far as this problem with Jefferson and principles go, there seems to be some miscommunication going on. I don’t think we will disagree when we understand each other.
Dan quoted JJ, “He (JJ) says that Jefferson’s version is “true on the level that he meant to communicate them” (emotionally inspiring) and then winds it all up by saying Jefferson’s version is “more inspiring than the TECHNICAL TRUTH”.”
Larry Woods says,
JJ is inconsistent here.
JJ To be inconsistent I would have to teach one thing at one time and then something contrary another time. I do not see where this happened in anything you are referring to.
Larry ALL principles are pure and pristine on the intuitive plane. But when we bring them down to the three worlds of form they get messy.
JJ You’re making my point, though I would use the word “obscured,” or something to that effect. The person understanding a principle can put it in the clearest possible language yet there are still many that will not understand most of it. Principles are the language of the soul and can only be communicated in fullness through the soul.
Larry Dan points out that JJ offered two “real world” alternative wordings for Jefferson’s statement of the underlying principles of good law. Dan also points out that JJ said Jefferson was not technically correct because his famous Declaration wording does not cover all aspects of practical use (all the exceptions) where these principles run into messy problems in the worlds of form. However, the same can be said of ALL PRINCIPLES, including all the principles JJ teaches.
JJ Yes, just about all principles as taught to humankind are not technically, or literally, correct as taught by anyone. That is one of the weaknesses of human communication. This reality should not bother any seeker, but should encourage him to look to the soul of messages more than the exact meaning of the individual words.
Larry Using JJ’s technical correct doctrine that he applies to say Jefferson was wrong will shoot down everything that every human ever taught about higher truth.
JJ Where do you get such an idea? Words describing or using a principle merely point the way to truth, but rarely reveal the whole truth of a principle. I do not believe that Jefferson was wrong, but he was extremely correct in wording the Declaration the way he did. Sure he could have worded it differently and been more wordy to make sure he wasn’t misunderstood, but the soul of the message would have been lost.
Larry JJ seems to be saying that articulating ideal truth from the higher realm of Intuition is always incorrect because those truths always run into exceptions when expressed in the lower three worlds of form,
JJ You totally misunderstand me here as I have not in the past or the present said such things. There are no exceptions to truth as I have said many times, “the truth is true and nothing else is true.” There are no exceptions to principles. They are what they are.
What I have said there are exceptions to man made rules, laws, procedures and courses of action. One can never set a course that will be right all the time and a principle lies behind this interesting fact.
Larry it’s like he is saying truth is not technically correct.
JJ Where are you getting this? The way we all attempt to express truth is rarely technically correct but truth is technically correct. 2+2=4 and nothing else is the true answer. On the other hand, if I were to attempt to tell you tomorrow’s weather, the truth is, it would be a guess. My prediction would be subject to change.
Larry So I expect JJ will soon go back and reword everything he ever said about principles so he can get it “technically correct” enough to account for all the exceptions those principles run into when expressed down here in the real world.
JJ Again, where are you getting such thoughts? Certainly not from anything I have said. No, I’m not going to go back and reword everything I’ve said about principles. There are no exceptions to principles. For instance, if there is a cause then there is an effect – always.
A lot of what I have written about principles is not technically correct and it would be counterproductive to attempt to get them all technically correct because they are understood through the soul when the sensitive seeker is pointed in the direction of seeing the principle.
Larry: The question is, will JJ continue to discuss eternal principles while not allowing Jefferson to do the same?
JJ Wow, Larry, I’ve never seen you come to such strange conclusions before. What is going on in your mind?
Thomas Jefferson is free to come back from the dead and discuss all the principles he wants as are you. Why would you think otherwise?
Larry: Will JJ from now on qualify everything he ever says about words that do not pass away exposing all the exceptions they might ever run into in the real world so he can remain “technically correct”?
JJ You seem to think that I think it is important to always be technically correct because the subject has come up. Why would you think this? It may be important as far as legal matters go but it is not a big deal in teaching metaphysics. In teaching principles the important thing is to communicate the essence of things and paint a picture for the student.
When Jesus said, “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free,” he was not technically correct either, but he painted a picture that leads to principles and greater understanding. A book could be written on it, yet if one just reads it literally he will have little understanding.
The same is true of Jefferson’s words. His words are lost in the literal thinking of many but lead to soul truths for those who contemplate and see the bigger picture.
Larry: Is it true that eternal principles are not technically correct
JJ When a principle is seen and understood it is correct in every way. But we do not see the fullness of a principle through technically correct literal words. One must look through the eyes of the soul at the picture painted by the words.
Larry: Is there a “technically correct” principle out there that precludes the simple articulation of eternal truth unless you accompany it with many “real world” qualifiers? Let me try it. Jesus erred when he said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
JJ Again, Jesus was not technically correct but his words painted a picture of a principle which can lead to right human relations.
If one just goes by the literal meaning he could turn some friends into enemies.
Let us ay that I like someone to wake me at 6 AM every day. My wife, on the other hand, wants to sleep til 8 AM. Because I take Jesus literally I wake her at 6 AM. She is angry and I think: “The Golden Rule does not work.”
I would be wrong. It does work when the principle is seen. Waking my wife when I want to be awakened violates the principle, but seems literally correct.
Larry: One more thing, we have a masterful articulation of the principles of good government from Jefferson in the Declaration. Why would we ever want to say it fails the technically correct test?
JJ We had argued for days and a good portion of the argument was different understandings of Jefferson’s words. When something like this happens then this is the time to further analyze the words and attempt to see what is technically correct as well as the principles involved. If we do nothing then there is no chance of reaching agreement. If we attempt to clarify then there is a chance.
Larry: These words give us one of the very best opportunities where people let down their heart wall so that we can teach truth about law.
JJ The trouble was that Blayne and others had major disagreements about law with respect to Jefferson’s words so further analysis was necessary.
Larry Why would we want to cast it in a bad light?
JJ Again where did you get this notion??? No one cast anything Jefferson said in a bad light – especially me. I have nothing but praise for the Declaration of Independence. I don’t think it could have been worded better.
Larry: You like JJ’s new teaching about technically correct way of stating principles.
JJ There is no new or old teaching about being technically correct about stating principles. Often times it is not desirable.
Larry: Show us how this new rule works out when we post so we won’t have to get corrected for technical blunders as that blunderer Thomas did.
JJ No one said Jefferson blundered and there is no new rule. What’s got into you today? You usually understand me quite well.
Larry: Yea, I like this new method of discussing principles by always stating every exception we can cover all the bases and always recognize that stating actual principles is NEVER technically correct in our real world, plus we don’t have to worry about stepping on any toes. This will be great fun. I’m glad JJ advocates this whenever TJ speaks in the Declaration.
JJ Larry, you are totally misrepresenting me here. This is not like you.
Larry I’m also glad he will follow his own rule from now on
JJ There is no rule except in your mind.
Larry: because it will shed much light on how technically correct truth actually works out in our discussions about real life. I’m anxious to see what the KOK looks like from now on with Dan and Ruth policing everyone who breaks the rule or who expresses any questions about the rule, I’ll check in next year…
JJ Again, there is no rule and I hope your offense gets healed shortly so we can have the good ole positive Larry back.
Here are a few things I have written on principles.
Principles: What a principle is.
A fact is merely a piece of information that anyone can incorporate into their brain memory. It can likewise be programmed into a computer. A principle is a different matter. A principle is the underlying truth that makes all facts valid. It requires judgment to use and cannot be programmed into a computer.
For instance, the Constitution of the United States is built around the principle of the Free Agency of man. Around this principle has sprung the Constitution and thousands of books containing millions of facts. In the days of the foundation of this country there was only a handful of enlightened people who were able to understand the principle of freedom. People of a lower order could not see it. There was no way that King George from England could teach or enlighten George Washington in any degree on this principle even though he probably had as many facts in his head on the subject as Washington did. On the other hand, Washington could have done much to enlighten the King if he was willing to listen.
It takes a thousand facts to paint a clear picture of one principle, but the understanding of one principle reveals thousands of facts. It takes a certain point in the evolution of the human being to comprehend the difference between a principle and a fact but when he does, and learns to go within and touch the soul, then all the understanding and vision of a principle is revealed in a flash. Sometimes a book can be written about a principle revealed in one instant.
What is the difference between a principle and a law?
A principle is that which demonstrates the intelligence of God and makes things in the universe work toward a dominating good.
A law is a description of the working of a principle, or principles. By law I am referring to universal laws and not manmade rules.
If the law is accurately described then the perfection of God is made manifest because such a description shows the consistency of the principle and allows us to predict the future actions of the mind of God in the universe.
For instance, all form is held in place through the principle of magnetism which is an aspect of the principle of Love.
All the laws we have concerning gravity are produced by observing and describing this principle in action.
Within our souls is the capability of recognizing whether or not a thing is true. When a principle is spoken, you’ll feel within yourself the vibration of certain chords that ring true.
A principle is true yesterday, today and forever, but knowledge (as data) changes by the hour (the temperature for example). The language of the Holy Spirit is composed of principles, not data. To know all things in the language of the spirit is to know all principles.
True principles are always in effect all around us. The universe is built upon true principles, held together by them and will be dissolved by them. True principles govern our lives, our deaths, our relationships, our sorrow and our joys.
The bird flies making use of true principles, yet does not understand the principle of flight or realizes it exists. So it is with us. We live in a sea of principles, which governs all things, yet until we touch the soul we do not even realize what a principle is.
Many of the best authors touch upon a principle. Some have a sense of that which they have discovered, while others do not discern them from facts. Sometimes you can find a principle in a book written by an author that does not know what a principle is.
A principle is not created. A principle is always present and always works without beginning or end.
Take the principle of cause and effect. Was there ever a time that it did not work? Cause and effect has always been here and always will.
Take another principle:
**If there is no beginning there will be no end.
No one created this; it just exists past, present and future. Take a look at any true principle and you will see it had no creation, but just always is and always works and cannot be destroyed.
I think that truth, as a principle, is so abstract, that it needs its own “vehicle” in order to manifest. So, we have to speak of “knowledge of the truth” or “the light of truth”. When the light of truth is thrown on a conflict (illusion versus illusion), the illusion is swept away and the conflict vanishes.
A principle is an enunciation of what is. A principle isn’t made. A principle is eternal and it always is. Like Newton said, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. He discovered a principle. From that he was able to deduce a multitude of truths.
The truth that makes us free is found in the understanding of true principles.
The challenge for us to advance from facts and data to the language of principles and then, when a principle is understood, advance to a higher principle still.
There is a hierarchy of truth. The bottom of the hierarchy is truth manifesting on the physical plane. At the top of the hierarchy is the truth that there is One Great Life we call God. I am only stating God as a fact, a piece of data, because the principle behind God is a great mystery which has never been revealed.
As we advance from physical plane truth to truth on the higher planes, that which binds us is loosed and greater freedom is obtained.
A principle is true yesterday, today and forever, but knowledge (as data) changes by the hour (the temperature for example). The language of the Holy Spirit is composed of principles, not data. To know all things in the language of the spirit is to know all principles.
Let’s compare us to a slug. We don’t really know anything about the slug’s world but our knowledge is much higher than that of the slug. Just as we’re thinking on a much higher level so are the higher lives whose language is the language of principles where they can communicate principles, which is equal to thousands of pieces of data in one instant. They communicate without knowing anything about the data because they don’t need to know the data. They only need to know the principle. So when the principle is communicated by the higher lives, the lower type of knowledge isn’t even necessary but the lower type of knowledge can be discovered if it’s important for it to be discovered. When a principle is communicated to us we can translate that principle into a language we can understand by explaining it with a lot of data. The higher lives don’t have to do that.
Nov 9, 2011 Re: OT: Proof that the devil is in the details
Duke: In 1289 Italian painter Giotto di Bondonne painted a series of frescos on the wall of the Basillica of St. Francis of Assissi. Hidden in the clouds of one is the face of a devil, which apparently went unnoticed for over seven centuries, up until very recently. Just goes to show that the old adage is indeed true: The devil really is in the details.
Natalie is attempting to create a group and expressed interest in having some type of lesson plan to teach from. I put together some basics years ago using a question and answer technique. Often just throwing one question at an audience can lead to quite a lot of discussion.
I’ll post a few of these lessons which all are free to use. Sooner or later I’ll add to them and fine tune them.
Dan: If more advanced people are needed to form a molecule, it seems to me it might be useful to develop lesson plans that are more philosophical and not so scripture-centric in order to attract them.
JJ You are correct. I wrote these original lessons around 30 years ago when I was attempting to reach out to the Mormons and regular Christians. To expand their usefulness more cosmopolitan versions need to be written, which I plan to do. In the meantime these lessons will be useful in some circles.
Susan: Initiates of classes (class leaders) have the calling to create the lesson plans. It is not on JJ’s shoulders to spoon feed us everything. You are quite capable of developing lesson plans Dan if you truly feel called to have them. I have faith in you. 🙂
JJ Some teachers will need a little help and structure and others will want to put together their own lesson – maybe from material that I haven’t even covered. We want teachers to feel free to use their creativity. I think though that making lessons available will help some feel more confident in starting some classes.
What is the difference when the person says I love you from the heart center when the birth of the Christ within him is happening to him?
Audience: You will love that person no matter what their actions or reactions were.
JJ: It goes a little beyond that. What was the keynote of Christ when He was here and how did He manifest the love different than other people? He identified how His love was different. He did with a ceremony when He washed the apostles feet. He started to wash the apostles feet and He came to Peter and Peter said no you are not going to wash the apostles feet I will wash your feet instead and I am to be your servant and Jesus said if I can’t wash your feet than you will have nothing to do with me. And Peter said well wash my arms, chest, face, wash my whole body then.
JJ: Peter did not want to let go of his Master. The answer is service. In other words, the higher love seeks to serve others and the lower love seeks to serve self. When the person centered in lower love says I love you he is really saying I want you in my life because I think you can do stuff for me and you can be useful to me. You can be my trophy wife or whatever and I can show you off and everyone will think I am very successful.
The higher love says I want to serve and that is the interesting difference and that is what Jesus tried to teach the apostles. When he sought to wash their feet, Peter did not understand. He thought that Jesus was higher than him so he should be serving Him. but Jesus said no, not in the kingdom of my Father. He who is greatest is he who is the greatest servant. Jesus said in this world he who is greatest is like Caesar who gets the most people to serve him but that it is not like it is in the kingdom of heaven. In the kingdom of heaven the one who is greatest is the one with the greatest power to serve and what did He do all day long in the gospels? He was healing people all day long and always serving without asking for anything in return.
Curtis said he had a little story for us that he wanted to share before we move on here.
Curtis: How many are feeling a little bit of your heart petal opening listening to JJ’s words?
Audience: Most of them answered yes.
Curtis: You know like Joe was saying you go along in a flat line in your life and then some crisis will take you in an unexpected moment and turn your life upside down inside out and move you in a direction that you never even thought you would go and I would like to share with you an opening of my heart center that happened several years ago because of Mr. Joe Dewey.
I was very happy in the Mormon Church but I felt like I was banging my head against this glass ceiling not knowing where to go and not knowing where find an opening so that I could reach higher. We have all been there, where is the next step and what is going to bring me happiness and joy. I remember after a long period of preparing me for this new revelation Joe would come over and teach out of the scriptures and something about what he was saying and the way he was saying it just lit me on fire and I thought wow, where are you getting this information?
One day he came over and he said there is something that you need to know. Really, I said. I thought I knew it all. He says you think that there is just one chance at this and then you go into the next world and you are in some kingdom of glory because the Mormons do not believe in reincarnation, and Joe says no I want to teach you about the principle of reincarnation and this shocked me! The fact that he would even believe it and that he would try to indoctrinate me to this idea that we could have more than one lifetime because to believe in reincarnation means that you go against the Mormon theology and you risk eternal damnation and your soul is going to burn in hell. If you move outside of these lines or if you crack this glass ceiling that I had been banging my head against you go against council.
So at this particular moment in my life I had to know, was reincarnation a true principle of God? I knew that if it was that it would be the catalyst to catapult me in a direction that I could not turn back from because once these petals start to open you do not want to close them you just want to open the next one and the next one and the next one. I remember all the opposition that was in my life at that time and I had many friends in the Church and one of them said, “Curtis if you listen to that Joe Dewey one more time you are going straight to hell.” JJ’s wife would come over and bang on the door and say you had better not listen to him or you are going to go straight to hell and burn for all eternity. Man I was going to go straight to hell no matter what I did! Chuckling!
Curtis: So at that moment I decided that I had to have peace, some inner peace so I went into my room and knelt down and prayed and for the first time in a long time I really prayed to know the truth about the “R” word, reincarnation. There I was right in the middle of this prayer and this energy filled me with such power and force man I tell you I was born again.
Curtis: In that moment I had a spiritual witness that began to enter my body and not from the lower chakra either, it came right into my heart and mind and told me without a shadow of a doubt that yes there is reincarnation. I said okay this could be an illusion here or just me. And the Presence said no I will stay with you for a couple of days and when I am through with you then you will know for sure that there is such a thing as reincarnation and multiple lifetimes.
Later I found out that many early members of the Mormon Church believed in reincarnation and they called it eternal lives and multiple probations. What is a multiple probation if it is not more than one lifetime? So I got a witness that lasted for three days it sent me on a path from whence I could not return. So if you have a question and you are just bouncing against a glass ceiling then you go ahead and take it further and further as far as you can go. Now armed with that knowledge I began to teach to my twelve year old students in Sunday school class and I told them well go home and tell your Mom and Dad about that idea!
Curtis: And they did and I was called in and I said to those authorities, you know you what; you cannot hurt me because I know the truth. I lost my marriage, my job because I sold real estate for a Mormon broker, all my friends in the Mormon Church wrote me letters and said that they could not associate with me anymore because I was an apostate. You know what? It did not matter; what mattered was that this center had opened and I was at a place of inner peace and I could not be disturbed by anyone or anything outside of that center again. Thank you Joe!
JJ: Thank you Curtis! Now I am the only friend he has!
Audience: Laughing! And his sister!
JJ: So you are moving along and then you have a crisis in one particular lifetime and you have a vibration that you have never felt before – what I call a touch of the soul,. You have probably even went through being an atheist or born again or lots of different things and finally you reach a point where nothing seemed to work and you feel as though you have reached a dead end and then finally something opens up to you and the energy flows into you. It may have been this life or it may have been a past life or may be your next life but sooner later it happens to everybody and this is called “The Birth Of The Christ Within the Heart.” It is our first step to becoming like the Master who walked in Jerusalem 2000 years ago.
He had to have that first step many lifetimes ago for himself the same step that we now have to take. Any other being no matter advanced sets a goal that we can emulate. As any other being that is behind us is something we have been and that is the beauty of it. The most important thing is that we are in motion. It is not so important where are and this is the big illusion that hampers many people along the path. Many people touch the spiritual energy and think, I wonder how advanced I am and I am probably on my last life for I am a lot smarter than those guys I see around so I am up pretty close to being like Jesus.
JJ: You laugh but I have met people like this! Their focus is on where they are rather than where they are going. If the seeker thinks he is further along than he really is that means he is going to go through the woods on a dead end trail instead of being where he really is and missing the real path that will lead through the woods. So if you think you are farther ahead or farther behind than you are and if you do not have reasonable idea of who you are and move accordingly than you will be wasting a lot of time and irritating everybody around you because they will think, boy that guy or gal thinks they are so smart and they think they are so righteous or so advanced and beyond the rest of us. I am the one that is advanced and maybe a Master.
The point is if we do not see the Christ in people then we are going to see something else in them and before long we will see the devil in them. This can happen with the nicest of people. One thing about a group like this is that a lot of us do not know each other very well! A lot of you do not know Curtis very well and he looks like a really nice guy that that maybe you want to spend a month with! Actually if you want to party then Curtis is the fun guy to party with. I am just joking about Curtis! But even he has managed to infuriate his share of people.
I like this time of year though and this time of year gets a lot of criticism. Many say that it is too commercial that they are trying to take the Christ out of Christmas but Christ is never completely out of Christmas because you find that when you get together with people around Christmas there seems to be a little better spirit, brotherhood, a bit more cheer and a little bit more remembrance of who we are. So in this way whether you say happy holidays, happy Hanukah or Merry Christmas there is a sparkle in the air and more of a remembrance of what we are supposed to be.
We give each other gifts whether we want them or not and even when we get a gift that we will never use we still say thank you and we are pleasant towards each other. So during this time of year I often am touched in my inner soul because of different things that just happen whether it be the bell ringer at Albertsons or whether it be a party you go to or whether it be listening to Christmas carolers on TV or in person.
I remember I was at Albertsons grocers last Christmas and a bunch of Christmas carolers came in and just started singing. It was very beautiful and the music really touched me and thought Christmas is a really great time of year because here I was shopping and these people just came in and started singing and I thought that was pretty cool. They stimulated the Christ energy spirit within me just listening to them.
There are different theories as to how many lifetimes we go through. I believe we go through approximately 1000 lifetimes before we achieve liberation. Why do I think it is approximately 1000 lifetimes? Because the center at the top of the head has 1000 petals on it and the petals of all of our various centers unfold and each one of our centers has different amounts of petals on it. The center between the eyebrows has 96 and the heart center has 12 and so on. As each one of these petals unfolds it unfolds a new type of energy but the center at the top of the head is in vibration sync with the rest of your body so when something is affected in one of your centers it affects one or more of the petals on the top of your head. I believe that there are 1000 petals on top of the head signifying 1000 lifetimes.
Now it is not exactly 1000 lifetimes but in each life we unfold a new type of energy and consciousness that we never had before. When this happens one of the petals at the top of your head unfolds and you have some energy and substance added to your consciousness that you never had in all of your previous lifetimes. Now sometimes if your life is cut short or you really screw up you might not get that petal completely stimulated or if your are really moving along and making a lot progress you might unfold two of them so it is possible for somebody that is really aggressive in perusing his consciousness to go less than a thousand lifetimes and others like Curtis it may take 2000. He is on his 2001, right?
JJ: I pick on my friends because they let me! Some people think we only have a dozen, but to give evidence there is a thousand lifetimes let me ask, how many people here have been married and divorced?
(To a lady in the audience): Now your husband that you were with, did he grow at all during the time you were with him, yes or no?
Audience: A little bit.
JJ: Okay he grew a little bit, now when you look at where he was when you married him and where he was when you divorced him did he seem to overcome anything or improve much?
Audience: There was definitely a phase.
JJ: Generally, when I ask this question the person says the spouse seemed to show little or any progression, even over decades. But over all if you have been married and divorced then you can look at that guy more objectively. If you are madly in love then you cannot look objectively at them. But if you have been in and out of a relationship or if you have been married to somebody for about thirty years you may think well he really has not moved that much. When I married him he watched football and drank beer and he still watches football and drinks beer and that is about all he does.
And this is the way it goes. When you look at yourself you cannot see yourself objectively but you can see the other guy fairly objectively and in a relationship the big complaint that people have about their partner is that the guy just does not seem to be moving and in this way we can see that real progress is really pretty slow. You actually learn about one major thing in each life and it appears that we learn more than one thing because we learn a lot of facts. We learn what the capitol of Minnesota is and who was president in 1812 or whatever but that does not mean you are making progress. That is just filling your computer mind with data. Progress is where you develop a greater skill that moves you ahead in your spiritual evolution.
Audience: In my experience with my husband it seemed that parts of him that were stuck were a catalyst for assisting me to move forward and it made me work hard to move forward and to develop and it was incredible.
JJ: That is one of the best parts about being in a relationship. You can be in a relationship with a person that is stuck and you can think, I don’t want to be this way and this is teaching me what not to do or it may produce growth in you in trying to help the other person even though he is beyond help but it may still help you.
So in each life you are given one thing to learn. The Buddhists teach this idea also. They say before a teacher can go out and teach Buddhism he has to get that one thing out of the way. He has to go out and learn that one thing and then he can go out and be a teacher. That is one of the philosophies of that they go by that I believe to be true, that in each life there is basically one basic thing that is new that you have to learn. Now in our lives we actually relearn a lot of the old things and we get back to our basic intelligence by the time we are 21.
At this age we arrive at the basic intelligence of where we left off in our past life. All the accumulated wisdom and intelligence manifests in the average person when he is about the age of 21. Now you go back and look at how you seem to evolve between when you first got consciousness and the age of 21. It seemed like every year you are almost a re-born person – you are moving ahead and you develop new skills, abilities and new sensations. Then from the age 21 you have one lesson you have to learn. It is important that you learn what that lesson is.
I was really dense about my lesson. It was very difficult for me and it is difficult for everybody because that new lesson is something that you are not good at. Let’s say you really good at music and you can play it very easily and it just comes naturally to you and you say I am going to be a musician but that is probably is not what you are supposed to learn because it is really easy for you. When you enter into new territory is very difficult and very hard and you do not want to do it so when you look at your life look at where your life has lead you again and again where you did not want to go then that usually leads you to what you are supposed to learn. Now if you don’t learn that one thing then you will have to come back and learn it all over again until you master it.
Believe me it is difficult for us to accept. It may be in the field of relationships, it may be some type of job skill, it may be some type of common sense that you are supposed to develop in a certain area but whatever it is you don’t want to do and why? Because you are not good at it. You are not good at anything that you do not know. Now there are a lot of things we know internally and these are things we enjoy doing. The new skill that you are supposed to learn in this lifetime is something difficult for you to master. This new skill is supposed to dawn on you at the end of your first Saturn cycle, around the age of 28 or 29.
So look back to around the age of 28-29 see if there was there some turning point in your life where you learned a major lesson. One of the things that can help you is to look at your rising sign in your astrology chart. How many know their rising sign?
Audience: Mine is Libra.
JJ: That shows that the lesson that you are going to learn will be around balance and Libra is a mental sign and air sign so it will be around something to develop in your mental development. Dealing with mind is sometimes difficult for people in the new age philosophy because a lot of them stay away from mind or see it as negative. It is important that you get grounded in common sense and balancing off things weighing one thing against another and learning good judgment. Have you found that when you look back on when you were 28 that this was something that was forced upon you?
Audience: I think so.
JJ: When you look back about what is in your rising sign you will find that there is a lesson there that you probably learned around the age of 28 or 29. Curtis your rising sign is Leo and he is the purest Leo you will ever meet. So his mission is to find out what makes him happy and fulfilled. He tries to spread fun around wherever he goes.
We have a Scorpio rising sign here, what you have to learn is acceptance of things you have no control over. Now if you look back to around the age of 28 it begins to dawn on you. Problems reach a point at this age for Scorpio rising that you think, “this is not working – what is the matter?” Or you look up at the heavens and ask. “why God?” Throughout your life have you had a lot of things that you produced the feeling that everything was out of control because of things you could not handle?
JJ: So what you have to do is learn to accept that which is outside of your control because we do not have control over everything. Scorpio is often associated with death because when someone dies you have no control over that and you are going have strong feelings when someone close to you dies. You are going to have feelings whether you like it or not. The lesson of Scorpio is learned when these feelings arrive you just accept them – that such feelings are a part of life. If you try to deny them and say, “I am above these feelings because I am enlightened,” then the lesson may not be learned. One may say, “My mother died and she is just off in a better place and I am okay with it.” Well, no, you may not feel good about it – you may feel terrible but you have to accept the way that you feel and deal with it. Scorpio rising must learn to accept the things that he can’t control, it is just part of life and then move forward.
What finally made me take reincarnation seriously was a disc0overy of two handwritings that matched. The one was a living person who I knew well and the second was a person who had died long ago. Comparing the handwriting of one life with another will sometimes be a close match if the person has not changed a lot. There are no two handwritings that are the same just like there are no two fingerprints that are the same and finding two matched handwritings is like finding two fingerprints that are the same. I found two handwriting samples that matched almost identically and even had a couple little quirky things that are in maybe one out of every thousand writings. Then when you add several of them together it would make the probability of them being this close one out of millions. I stepped back and I thought I had been seeing this evidence and I had rationalized and now I had to take a second look and look at it with fresh eyes.
I had been seeing what the church told me to look at it and now I must look at it without the church’s influence. I decided to take all the scriptures and read them anew as if I did not know anything and when I did this I found hundreds of pieces of evidence both in the Mormon scriptures and in the Bible that there is reincarnation. It was amazing how many there were. Some of the early church fathers in the Christian church were against reincarnation and when the first bibles were put together there was a lot of editing where they took doctrines out but they could not get everything out because the subtle things proving reincarnation they missed. Like with John The Baptist for instance, there is a prophecy that Elijah was supposed to come again and precede the Messiah. Well the disciples came to Jesus and said if you are the messiah than where is Elijah? And Jesus said point blank, Elijah did come again and he came again in the person John The Baptist. John The Baptist is Elijah and so and he did precede the messiah so the prophecy was fulfilled.
That is about as clear as word can be in the Bible and when you give this to a religious person the only counter he will hit you with is the account of somebody coming to John The Baptist and asking him if he was Elijah and he said no I am just a voice of one crying in the wilderness. There are several reasons why John the Baptist said no and Jesus said yes. First, Jesus saw with a higher vision than John the Baptist and it is quite possible that John the Baptist did not know that he was Elijah and maybe he just did not remember. Secondly if he would have said he was Elijah he probably would have been killed prematurely and he wanted to avoid giving a dangerous answer. After all, Jesus was killed for not denying he was the messiah so John had a really good reason to avoid answering that question directly and he said no I am just a voice crying in the wilderness.
So anyway, I read all the scriptures through and I found evidence after evidence and from that point on I changed my course of study. I have always been interested in oddball things. I studied hypnosis when I was 16 and supposedly a good Mormon but then I started studying many interesting things that were far outside the realm of the church. One of the things that caught my attention the most were the writings of Alice A. Bailey, I think her writings are the deepest writings on the planet and contain tremendous depth of teaching and many of the things that are taught by the new age gurus comes from the Alice A. Bailey writings.
When I first took people back I used hypnosis but after using hypnosis for a while it did not take me long to see that it is not as dangerous as the elders in the church use to warn me about but it does have some negative effects. If a person is hypnotized on a regular basis, he gets more susceptible to hypnosis so what I did was switch from hypnosis to guided meditations and in guided meditations you do go deep enough to loose the awareness of what is going on around you. In regular hypnosis you go so deep that when you are awakened you do not even remember what happened and when you get that deep it is really easy to take people into past lives. Guided meditation works just about as well and I have not been able to find any negative side effects with it and as a matter of fact everything associated with it is positive as long as the intent behind the meditation is good.
We will now proceed with a guided meditation for the whole group.
The first thing we will do is relax ourselves and the more relaxed you are the easier it is to go back. Relax clear your thoughts and we are going to concentrate relaxing all the muscles in the body first and get ourselves in a nice relaxed state of mind. This makes it easier to go through the guided meditation. First of all concentrate on your right leg and let your concentration go clear up to your toes and visualize a beam light coming through the ceiling and touching your toes producing a nice warm tingling sensation. Now the beam of light is proceeding up your toes to your feet, then your ankle and moving slowly up your leg and as this beam of light moves up your leg you can feel that there is something about this beam of light that is relaxing you. It is moving up past your knee to your thigh to your hip, your whole right leg is completely relaxed and feels very, very good. Now the beam of light switches over to the toes on your left foot, it is proceeding upward covering your whole foot, on up your leg to your knee, your thigh, your hip, and now your whole left leg is totally relaxed and feel both of your legs and they feel like they are floating on a cloud or in warm water, they are so light. They feel very relaxed, now concentrate on your right arm and the beam of light is now touching the fingers on your right arm producing that nice, pleasant warm sensation and livening you yet relaxing you at the same time.
The beam of light is proceeding up your hand to your wrist, your arm, up to your elbow and now proceeding up to your shoulder and you can feel your whole right arm completely relaxing and now the beam of light is proceeding to over to your left hand and proceeding up your left arm relaxing all the muscles in your left arm completely relaxing your left arm, proceeding up to your elbow and shoulders and both arms and hands are now completely relaxed. They feel like they could float they are so relaxed. Now the beam of light is centered in the top of your head and again you feel the warm sensation from the beam of light, it is proceeding down your forehead and touches both of your eyes and it is very comforting. Your nose, mouth, your cheeks, your throat, your neck, all the muscles in your head are completely relaxed like they have never been before. Now the beam of light is centered around your neck area and is moving down your body, all around your shoulders, to your ribs, stomach and covering all of your torso, until your whole body is now covered with the beam of light and every single muscle in your whole body is now completely relaxed. You have never felt so peaceful, so tranquil, like you are floating on a cloud, just floating away without a care in the world and it feels very, very pleasant and you feel very relaxed, very relaxed.
Now in this very relaxed state it is easy to visualize and see anything you want to see. You see your self floating, floating up and there is a cloud above you and you float up to the top of this cloud and you are laying there not worried about anything. You can look down from this cloud and because you are so light it is impossible to fall because you are as light as a cloud. You look down and you see a path, a path that is leading to a forest, and you decide to jump off this could and gently descend to the path. You land on this path and you start walking on it and you look ahead and some distance ahead you see a forest. The path continues into the forest and you decide to walk on the path into the forest. There are little birds chirping as you walk along the path and little cute, harmless animals running around in the forest. You continue walking and you come to this wall, you look at this wall and you think you want to go to the other side, you walk back and forth and you discover a door and somehow you know this door will take you wherever you want to go. It can take into the past or into the future. This particular door will take you into the past. You grab the door and you pull it open and discover ten steps downward. As you move onward down the steps and reach the tenth step you will be in your past life. You will be able to think as you did then, feel as you felt then, to see as you saw then, to remember as you remembered then and you will be able to remember who you have been in the past.
You walk through this door and this takes you back into the past. You begin to walk down the ten steps and when you get down to the tenth step you will be back in your past. You step on the first step, the second step, the third step and each step that you take you feel more comfortable and very much at peace, prepared to see whatever there is to see. You are on the fourth step, fifth step, sixth step, seventh step, each step takes you to a deeper more comfortable relaxed state, eighth step, ninth step, and to the tenth step.
Who are you is the question? You are back into a past life, you ask yourself, who are you? I am going to count to three and the answer will come, you know who you are, where you are, what you have been doing, one…two…three, who are you? Think to yourself that you know who you are, I know who I am, I know who I am. Say it to yourself three times, I know who I am, I know who I am, I know who I am, You know where you are and you know what time period you are in. Now you are proceeding along this lifetime to the time that you met the person that you love very much. It could be a spouse, family member, someone you admired. This person is coming into your view. You know who he or she is and you know what the relationship is.
Now you can step back from this life and look at it as an observer. Look at the beginning of this life and you can follow it along clear to the end of this life and you can get a good idea of what this life was all about. Now you are an observer again just observing and you see another wall, there is another doorway that takes you back to another life still. You open the doorway and there are ten more steps and it will take you to another life even farther back in the past. You open the door and you begin to descend, one step, two, three, you are going even deeper than before and you are more relaxed and peaceful, four, five, six, seven, eight, just about there, nine and ten. You know who you are. Think to yourself, I know who I am, I know who I am – think that to yourself. You can see this lifetime and you know what you are doing, if you have accomplished anything of worth or not, a lesson that you have learned and so on. I am going to count to three and the name in this life will come to your mind. One, two, three, your name comes and you know what your name was and you know who your friends are. Now there was a particular lesson that you had to learn in this life and this particular lesson is coming to you, I am going to count to three and the lesson that you learned in this life will be made clear to you. One, two, three, the lesson that you learned is coming to your mind. Now we are returning to the present and I am going to count to three and you are going be in the present and you are going to remember very clearly everything that you saw and encountered in your past. One, you are returning to the present, two, you are almost there and three you have returned to the present feeling very good.
Okay now we’ll check with some of you to see what kind of memories you retrieved.
When I was about twelve our neighbor got a book about Bridey Murphy. Has everyone heard of that? She was talking about it with my Mom and referring to past lives and I thought that is it! That makes sense to me. This really struck a chord and from that moment on I believed in reincarnation. Then my Dad, who was an inventor, invented this kitty litter and in 1956 he sold everything he had and invested it all in this kitty litter plant. Customers bought a kit that had a cardboard litterbox and a bag of kitty litter. You open up the kit and you throw the bag of sand in the box and when it was used then you throw the box and the sand away and buy a new one. He and my uncle put everything they had into this and everything looked good and they began to sell everything locally and were ready to go national. Sears placed a large order and they put every penny they had into producing as many of these as they could. The printer that was printing these boxes did a bad job and so they had to have all the boxes reprinted. But they had spent all their money and did not have enough money to reprint the boxes and so they went under. If not for that one little fluke then I would probably have a really big inheritance today. Because kitty litter is a really big business today and my Dad was the one who invented it.
So he lost everything. At that time we had a 1956 Studebaker Golden Hawk and it was the best looking sports car around and everywhere my dad went people would gather around to take a look at it. Well that was repossessed and we got this old 1936 Ford pick up that was about on its last leg. We moved over to the big city of Letha, Idaho in between New Plymouth and Emmett. I found out that I made up about 2% of the population there and that is where I met Wayne. His dad owned half the town and was still a poor man.
JJ: But anyway we went from just being on the verge of living the good life and making millions to losing everything almost instantly. In Letha is where I kind of got some influence from the church because my grandmother thought, ah Joe is moving here and I can get him going to church. My grandmother loved the church very much. She was a very sweet gal and everybody that met her thought she was the most wonderful person in the world and my dad liked her too. When my dad was growing up she always hauled him off to church and he could not say no to her because she was so sweet. When my mom married my dad she thought she was marrying a religious guy who always went to church. But right after they got settled into the marriage she says to dad, lets go to church and he said, I am never going to church again as long as I live. And she says, what I though I married a good Mormon here! And he says, no, my mom hauled me off to church every Sunday since the day I was born and I could not say no to her and now that I am away from her I am never going again! So my dad became a notorious drinker and partier for pretty much the rest of his life. He was an interesting guy to be around but he was not really religious or anything.
JJ: So anyway my grandmother had her sights set on me when we lived there and she used to drive by and pick me up for church. I would look through the window on Sunday morning and if I saw her driving by (we lived near a prune orchard) I would hop out the back window and run off in the orchard and hide.
JJ: But sometimes when she drove up I was asleep and she just caught me and she was so sweet that you just couldn’t say no to her and I could understand why my dad could never say no to her. She was just the sweetest little gal you ever met. So when she caught me I went to church. When we went to church me and this other kid, Larry Larson – who Wayne will remember – in Sunday school we were the best behaved and the teacher would always point out to the rest of the class how much Joe and Larry over here were so nice and paying attention and why could not he rest of the kids be more like us. Larry and I would look at each other and say, that is because we are bored stiff!
JJ: These other kids were throwing candy and erasers and we were just bored with this whole church thing. Then one day it was Easter and I was feeling a little guilty and I thought I should go to church since it was Easter and so by this time my mom had moved about a block away from the church and I was walking over to it. I was thinking to myself, lets look at this church thing logically. According to religion if I am a good guy and go to church every Sunday then when I die I will go to some heavenly bliss for all eternity. I thought that is really not a bad deal if the heavenly bliss is what they build it up to be. After all, a snap of a finger in relation to a lifetime is like a lifetime in relation to eternity.
I began to reason within myself that it is kind of like taking a test for an hour to determine the quality of the rest of your life. I thought why would I not endure a test for an hour even if it were boring if the reward was so great? So I thought maybe I should try this out logically and I made a deal with myself to attend church for six weeks. The only trouble was I didn’t know if I could handle the boredom.
Interestingly, a few weeks before that the bishop called me and he says how come you do not go to church regularly? I told him because it is really boring. And he says, boring!!! He acted like he had never heard anybody say that before. He says what could it possibly be boring? I said the songs; the hymns are just so boring and they put you to sleep. He says they are lovely hymns and everybody loves them! I said not me, now Elvis I like him, and rock and roll is fine and I am sorry but it pains me to listen to the hymns. He says what else bothers you? I said the speeches and sermons; they are just so boring. The speakers say nothing new and they just drag along. He says we have some wonderful speakers in our church and I don’t understand for everybody loves them. I said well not me they are just boring. Anyway, a few weeks later I was walking along and I thought if I decide to got to church the only thing that I am not sure that I can handle is the boredom. So I will make a deal with my self and go for six weeks and if I can handle the boredom for six weeks then I will go the rest of my life and if I can’t then I will be like my dad and eat drink and be merry.
So I started going for six weeks and thanks to friends like Wayne and others that were like him in the group of guys I seemed to have handled it.
Wayne: We taught him how to be rowdy!
JJ: They taught me how to enjoy myself but rather than just follow I took the lead and I started these contests as to who could bring the most outrageous thing to eat and the biggest thing to drink during the Sunday meetings and not get caught. Well our friend John Cannon won the contest; he brought a quart bottle of Pepsi and drank the whole thing during the Sacrament meeting without getting caught. That was pretty hard thing to do! I brought pork chops and eat them.
JJ: All the kids thought that was the most outrageous thing they had ever seen. Then I learned to join in with the rest of the kids in doing some hellraising and it kind of broke the monotony.
The bishop hauled me in one more time and said I heard you believe in reincarnation and I said well yea and he said let me read you a scripture, “it is given in a man once to die and after this the judgment.” And I read it and thought; it does seem to say that doesn’t it. He said yes there is only one life. Then he said I also heard you drink and smoke. I said well, sometimes! I was only twelve!
JJ: He says you are not supposed to drink and smoke. I said really I did not know that! So he committed me to not drink and smoke. So I was a pretty good guy for quite some time and obeyed all the rules. Then my brother in-law who was interested in a bunch of oddball stuff, came by one time and he and he left this book on hypnosis. In those days, around 1959, you could not even find a book on hypnosis, and now these books are widely available. He had gotten this book written by a stage hypnotist and I read all the way through it and then at the end it finally told you how to hypnotize someone. So I studied it over carefully and experimented with a couple of my friends and it seemed to work and then I started doing it at school and at church and it seemed to work at the time and after church I would take people into a room that nobody was in and hypnotize them. And then at school during the lunch hour I would take some kids out on the lawn and then have them do crazy stuff. Then I got it from two different sides, the bishop calls and says you are not supposed to be hypnotizing people and I said does it say anything in the Bible about that?
JJ: He says well no and I said I would just keep doing it then. (Laughter) He really did not have a good answer for me and he said well you just be careful because that could be dangerous.
The same thing happened in high school. My teachers all pointed me out right in the middle of class and said, you should not be hypnotizing people! I said, why not? Is it illegal? The teacher answered, Well, no I don’t think so. Is it against school rules? Not that I know of. They did not have anything in the school rules about it so I said well I guess I will just keep doing it then. Laughing! I had a couple teachers that were really negative on me but there was no rule against it so I just kept doing it.
So we had a lot of fun things happen and I will tell you about one in particular. This one guy comes up to me and says I hear you can hypnotize somebody to eat an onion and it will taste like a peach or something like that. I asked him if he wanted to do that and he said yes. So I started to put him under and there is one thing I discovered about hypnosis at that time, is that nothing takes a person out of a trance faster than laughter. As a matter of fact, people will not laugh under deep hypnosis unless you tell them to laugh, So I was putting him under and it was going well, well enough so that he could eat an onion and it would taste like a peach and then someone cracked a joke and everybody started to laugh. The guy came partially out of his trance and he started laughing too. I was not positive how deep I had him under because the laughter kind of broke the atmosphere but I thought had him deep enough and so I told him after I wake you up we are going to go down to Brownies, the local grocery store, and get you an onion and you are going to eat it and it will taste like a peach. So I woke him up and a big crowd of us students goes down to the corner local grocery store and there is nobody in it but one clerk. There was big box of onions next to the counter and the guy goes up and says, I want one onion please, and he grabs the onion and looks at it and the clerk looks at him like, what are these high school kids up to now. The kid then takes a bite out of the onion and begins chewing and then all of a sudden he spits it out all over the floor. Laughing! Apparently I did not have him under deep enough!
JJ: That was one time I lost a little bit of credibility with that group. I had done this many other times where I had them do stuff like that but that laughter must have broke the trance and suggestion. Hypnosis kind of led me to discover past lives and the first time that really got me going was when Wayne and I were double dating. That is Wayne from the book right over there, and to break the monotony Wayne tells the gals that my friend here is a hypnotist and would you like to be hypnotized and the gal says yes.
She was a pretty good subject and I had taken several people back to the day they were born and it was kind of interesting to see them re-live their first few hours. Some people say they can’t see hardly at all for a couple days and it takes a while for their eyes to adjust and almost everybody says they really feel and sense their mother’s love, so anyway I took her back to the day she was born and as I said she was a pretty good subject. As a Mormon we believed in pre-existence but not reincarnation and the Mormons believe in only one life but you did live before you were born in heavenly spheres. So I wondered what would happen if I took her back to before she was born and what she would say. So I told her to go back before she born and then she began speaking with an English accent and gave her name – that she lived in northern England. What was interesting about this was when I was a young Mormon I went on a 2 year mission to northern England exactly in the area where she said she lived in a past life.
What is interesting about England is that accent is different in different parts of the country just as the accent is different for people in different parts of the south or in Boston and so on. It is the same thing in England where there are different variations of accents in northern and southern England. Most of what we hear is what they call the Queen’s English or the James Bond accent but in northern England they speak a lot faster and it is a lot harder to understand. But anyway in her past life she had lived in northern England and I had spent 2 years in northern England so I knew the accent well but what really got my motor going is that when regressed she spoke with a perfect northern British accent that hardly anybody here would recognize. I thought wow she speaks with a perfect northern British accent, this is amazing. That was the first scientific evidence that made me really doubt the one life idea.
Then I had this girlfriend over in Portland and we were attending a party after church and it was at a member’s house. It was kind of boring so I told everybody there that I was a hypnotist and that I could take people back to the day they were born if someone wants to go back. Everybody said, oh really, they seemed to have doubt that this was possible. Then the lady of the house said put me in a chair and take me back. Now about this time as I was getting ready to take her back her husband had to run out for snacks so he took off to the store. Then I took her back to the day she was born. Then I thought lets try going back to the previous life and see if anything materializes again. Now this was only the second time I had tried to take someone back beyond their birth.
So I took her back to before she was born and she went back to the days of the Roman Empire and said that she was married to a Roman senator named Marcus Aurelius, not the emperor but another guy with that name in the senate, and another interesting fact about that life is that he was killed in battle. Then I took her back to an even earlier life in prehistoric primitive times and she described different types of animals than there are today. Then her husband returned and I brought her back to the present and everybody says take him back. He did not know what was going on so he said, back where? So we sat him down and took him back with the same procedure and I said what is your name?
He said Marcus Aurelius, a Roman senator. You should have seen all these Mormons because they were not supposed to believe in reincarnation! So I quizzed him and I said how did you die and he said I was killed in battle. He gave the same story she gave and then I took him farther back and he went back to prehistoric times as well and I said was your current wife your wife in prehistoric times? He said yes, we did not have an official marriage back then but we spent our lives together. I asked him, when you met in this life did you seem familiar to each other and he said yes, he proposed about a week after they had met and they knew immediately that we were supposed to be together. So we had discovered two lifetimes they had together and that explained why they immediately recognized each other in this life and being good Mormons they thought that it was from the heavenly spirit world that they knew each other but by taking them back we discovered it was reincarnation.
The interesting thing is that it shook up a lot of people there and people came to me said, this shakes my testimony and I said I do not want to destroy anybody’s faith and this could be like a genetic memory and there a number of explanations for it. And even though I had seen all this proof myself I still did not believe it 100% and I did not believe it 100% until I had several other unusual experiences.
The subject today is past and future lives. The course of time between the past and the future is sometimes called a time line or a time track. Visualize it like a railroad track where you can go backward or forward and the present is where the train is kind of stopped. A lot of people think that going into the past is possible but what about going into the future? Going into the future is a little tricky because the future is not created yet, but the future is projected and the end of certain of cycles is pretty much set in stone.
For instance this earth has a beginning, middle and an end. The end is set and there is no way the earth or any form is going to last forever. However, what is in the middle is malleable, flexible and changes according to decisions made. We have all seen the time travel movies where a guy travels back to the past and he does something in there that was different and all of a sudden the future and present are changed. Like the guy goes back and receives a wound on the face and he develops a scar immediately in the present. So what he did by altering the past was he changed the future and the future changed instantly.
The idea of the movie, the “Butterfly Effect,” comes from Ray Bradbury’s story, “The Sound of Thunder,” where they go back in the past and receive strict instructions not to touch anything and one guy falls off the track and he kills this butterfly and that was the only change they made like 200 million years ago. Then they came back to the present and they were ruled by a Hitler type government and everything had been changed because of one little butterfly. So it is interesting that what is in between the certain set cycles is still malleable. But there is a time track and a projection into the future and that projection into the future is what the psychics and the prophets see but they are often wrong and the reason they are wrong is because it is not set. But there certain things that are set, there are certain cycles and when the end of a cycle happens certain things will occur.
The Masters study these cycles and they predict the end and the beginning of various cycles. As a matter of fact the famous prophecy made by Jesus in Matthew 24 is really about cycles. In the regular version it says, “Tell us about thy coming in the end of the world,” but that is a complete mistranslation. “World” comes from the Greek word aonian, which means, “an age.” So what they were really asking here is tell us about the end of the age or the end of the cycle. So Jesus began predicting certain things at the end of a cycle. These are the easiest things to predict because cycles repeat. You have heard the term “history repeats itself.” He is merely talking about the end of a cycle and the beginning of a new cycle when these prophecies were made.
Cyclic prediction is the most reliable and this is what astrology does as well but astrology is very complicated because you are dealing with cycles that involve all of the planets plus the sun and moon so you have a lot of complicated cycles to deal with. If a good astrologer understands the cycles and the symbolism he gives can be fairly accurate. So it is interesting that what is in between the various cycles is malleable. It is a little like you being Leonardo Da Vinci and you are going to paint the “Mona Lisa.” You have a vision in your mind what the painting is going to look like when it is done but when you start painting it you begin to make changes – say maybe the color here needs to be different and the eyes are wrong so you change them. In the between the beginning and the end you do a lot of things that you did not know you were going to do. You just knew how you wanted it to end but you had a rough idea of all the details. Maybe you knew your work hours, you knew the types of paint you were going to use, the type of canvas, how talented you were and what work you were capable of doing, but all the little mistakes that you make in between are impossible to predict.
I use to have arguments with the born again Christians sometimes and they would say, God knows everything and I would say, did God know I was going to snap my fingers right now and they would say yes! Well why would He even want to know that? Why would He want to clutter His mind up with such detail? If you were the creator of the Mona Lisa do you want to clutter your mind up with every little brush stroke and detail? Does God want to clutter his mind with future details like when people scratch an itch? No life form would have any interest in such trivia. But what all the greater lives are interested in are the cycles – the beginning, the end and then making the end good, making the end better than the beginning. This is probably the strongest argument for reincarnation; in the fact that if everything we observe goes in cycles then wouldn’t our lives go in cycles too?
Within a lifetime we have various cycles, you have seven year cycles, fourteen year cycles, you have your Saturn cycle which is a little over twenty eight years. You have several cycles within your life and when you examine them you can see how they have played out. It is a good idea to examine your life in cycles of ten years. You can examine your life for achievement and setting goals and this type of thing. So look at the cycles of decades in the past and then you want to project the next ten years and compare it to the last ten years. Cycles are a bit like wave lengths but also spirals. The wave length gets bigger and bigger or smaller and smaller depending on whether it is ascending or descending.
The end of the cycle is always different from the beginning. In the Book of Revelations God says, “Behold I do all things new.” Yet we always hear in church that God always does the same thing but He does not really say that. He only says the He is the same in the fact that He is dependable but He says “I do all things new.” He says this several times in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Now if God does all things new – that presents a much different idea than what we hear in the churches of the world. He does things new when a new age begins and it begins in a new wavelength that is a bit stronger or a higher octave than the old cycle. We are at the beginning of the Aquarian Age and it is more constructive than the beginning of the Piscean Age.
We look back to the days of Jesus and the average life span was 27 years and now the average life span is about 75 years for male and 77 for females. Females live longer because they give us guys such a hard time that we end up living a couple of years less!
JJ: I had to throw that in!
So at the end of an age things are always at a little higher vibration than the previous age unless there is a big mistake made for few things are 100% predictable. Every once in a while a new age is worse than an old age and it has to be compensated for. This does not happen very often but it happened in the days of Atlantis when it was destroyed. They had a great anti-Christ there which was actually Hitler in a past life and in that life he succeeded and so he paved the way for the destruction of the whole continent. So this is an example of an age that did not work out very well. In Atlantis the dark brothers had actually conquered The Brotherhood of Light and the only thing that the Lord of the World could do was to allow destruction and begin anew.
Audience: But it did not destroy the world it destroyed Atlantis.
Yes they did not destroy the whole planet but destroyed the continent. The continent went through several destructions but there was a core battle between what was called the dark lords or the lords of dark face, and the Brotherhood of Light. The Light Brothers in that life lost but then we came back and we corrected it here and this time Hitler was defeated by the Allies, but he was just barely defeated. If you study World War II you’ll see some of the things that could have turned and led Hitler to victory. There were about 5 or 6 bad decisions that Hitler made and if he would not have made them then there was a good chance that he would have won World War II. Driving Einstein out of the country, which led to the development of the atomic bomb by the Allies, is certainly something that we should be thankful for. Another example is the battle of Dunkirk where Britain had thousands of soldiers rescued so they could fight again. Then there was The Battle of Britain where they just had a handful of pilots in the air at the end. If Hitler would have known how few planes England had left he would have continued and won the battle. If he would have had a little patience and waited on invading Russia and concentrated on us instead he would have probably won. It’s kind of unsettling to thin k about it.
Rob: So when an age does not work out the way that it supposed to then you say there is some kind of compensation?
JJ: Well it is a little like a lifetime. If you screw up a lifetime then you must come back and repeat a similar situation where you succeed this time. Like if you commit suicide because you are depressed because you are not succeeding you come back and wind up in a similar situation. This time, when you are thinking of committing suicide you get a little déjà vu and you think, well I am sensing that this is not going to work. Because you have already done it and now you are right back there again. So this time maybe you do not commit suicide or maybe you commit suicide two lifetimes in a row but you keep coming back until finally you learn your lesson and you do it right.
Now most lifetimes we go through we do it basically right and we learn some lessons. It may not seem that way sometimes but we often learn more than we think we do. And then some lifetimes we do legitimately screw up and this is the same thing with an age. In most ages we learn something and then we go on and the next age is better. Then once in a while humanity will just screw up an age and become ripe for destruction. Civilizations in the past has been destroyed quite a few times on this planet and now we do have the power to destroy our selves like we have never done before. Hopefully we are smart enough to work through it together and develop peace on earth and goodwill toward men.
The main subject here is reincarnation and I will talk to you just a little bit before we take you back. I believed in reincarnation naturally, so to speak, and when I was young my parents did not take me to church or anything. My dad was a notorious drinker and he was not very religious at all. My parents were baptized in the Mormon Church and about once a year or so maybe Easter my Mom would haul me off to church and I would disrupt things because I did not know what was going on and I did not like it.
I usually embarrassed her so she only went on special occasions. I do not remember much about religion when young except for when I was a child about 5 or 6 and I remember thinking, 5 or 6 years ago I was not even here. I thought, where in the world was I? I used to think about that a lot and from the time.