Prayers and the New Song

Prayers and the New Song

The book under discussion in chapter five of Revelation represents the knowledge of God as it is revealed through the Oneness principle and differing types of revelation takes place on the various planes. One of the meanings of the seven seals is the implication that there is specific knowledge and principles that apply to our sphere of activity which must be loosed and revealed to us.

The 24 elders represent advanced souls (masters) either on heaven or on earth who have perfected the molecular relationship. Whether they are male of female physically does not matter, but they represent 12 male and 12 female energy units. They also represent the higher self.  

A more personalized correspondence is this: The pilgrim incarnates through the zodiac clockwise until he becomes a disciple. Then when he learns to go against the material flow he incarnates in reverse or counterclockwise. The twelve clockwise and 12 counterclockwise increments also corresponds to the 24 points of wisdom represented here for these 24 great lessons makes a master of wisdom, or an Elder before the throne.

“And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.” Rev 5:8

If we skip to verse 11 we see there are three groups praising the Lamb, the beasts, the elders and millions of angels.

Interpretation: The lower self (beasts), the masters (elders) and the inner guides (angels) acknowledge the sacrifice of the lamb, that the disciple has obeyed the soul and followed as the lamb, but has now graduated. The lamb is sacrificed and the lion emerges with all power in heaven and earth. The lamb is not dead, but transformed. He still follows the inner voice but now knows the voice and is as confident as the lion.

So what do the harps represent?

A harp must be tuned and when it is, beautiful music is played for the Master. We not only receive from God but give to him. The playing of the harp signifies that when we attain the Christ consciousness, we become finely tuned in both our lower and higher natures and are likened to a musical instrument joining in the “music of the spheres” to play in the great symphony of God.

Next it speaks of the “golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.”

The golden vials represent the relative perfection of both parts of the of the nature of the Christed one. Such a divine servant senses the prayers and desires of the saints, or those who are pure in heart, following the highest they know. He then performs the duty of the name of Christ and reaches out to those who pray for more light and truth, and seeks to give it to them so they can advance to where he is. This is the true work of Christ.

Each of us can search for the gold (truth) within us and share it with those who are seeking. We do this to some degree in this group. It is our duty to listen to the prayers of the saints.

The New Song

Here are the next two verses

“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” Rev 5:9

“And they sung a new song…”

The word “new” here bears examining. There are two basic words for new in the Biblical Greek. The first is NEOS which means new in the point of time. The second is KAINOS which has the same meaning as NEOS but with the addition that the thing is new in the aspect that it has never existed before. When Jesus talked of “new wine” he used NEOS, for wine had existed before the new wine. But all through the book of Revelation KAINOS is used which tells us of things that never were which are coming to pass.

When John therefore speaks of singing a new song he is speaking of a new creation, something that was not sung before. When God in Revelation says he does “all things new” it means he is creating that which has never existed in the past.

There is truth in the statement of Solomon that “there is nothing new under the sun,” but it is not literally true as evidenced by Revelation for there always comes a cycle where a new creation manifests that is different than any other in the universe.

How does this relate to us?

When the seeker contacts the soul, the Christ in him, he discovers new principles and knowledge that was never before seen by him and his whole being, higher and lower, sing with joy, a new song of thankfulness.

Now keep in mind that the song is new, not the repetition of that which is old. It reads:

“Thou art worthy to take the book,”

The fact that one discovers he is worthy when the Christ within is contacted is new to the seeker. All this time he saw himself as unworthy and now he sees through the eyes of Christ that he is sinless before God. This is a new and joyous revelation.”

…and to open the seals thereof…”

Soul contact reveals that he is worthy of unlocking knowledge that he thought was sealed to him and could only be given to prophets and holy men.

“for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

The old self who saw himself as limited and unworthy is slain and replaced by the worthy Christ within. The great and new realization is that this blood (the life of Christ) is available not just to you, or holy men of the past, but all peoples, tongues and nations.

“And hast made us unto our God kings and priests…”

Those who discover the Christ within become a king of their own domain and universe. They no longer bear the mark of the beast where an outward authority (king) must give them permission to think or to act, but they have discovered the true authority within.

The seeker no longer goes to any Priest to make intercession with God, but he is his own priest and can contact the God within for himself.

“…and we shall reign on the earth.”

Spirit has always reigned in heaven, but now something new has occurred. When the seeker finds the Christ within, he discovers that the Christ in heaven has also manifested through him as the Christ on earth. Since Christ has all power in “heaven and earth,” he reigns through us on earth as in heaven.

A reader quotes me as follows: “There is truth in the statement of Solomon that ‘there is nothing new under the sun,’ but it is not literally true”

Then he says, “Well is it true or isn’t it JJ? Can’t have it both ways.”

JJ: I am not trying to have it both ways and my beliefs do not collide here.

What I said was comparable to saying there is truth in the statement “an atom is like a solar system,” but it is not literally a solar system.” Or, there is truth in the statement “an airplane is like a bird, but it is not literally a bird.”

Even so there is truth in the statement that “there is nothing new under the sun.” And what is that truth?

It is true that history repeats many elements of itself so that no matter what happens there are some similarities to what has happened in the past.

The United States, for instance, has many similarities to ancient Rome and even more ancient Atlantis. Some look at the similarities and think there is nothing new going on because certain elements have repeated.

But not all elements have repeated. There is a forward cycle to all evolution and within this forward cycle there are certain elements that are totally new and never been externalized before.

Every new entity that comes to the earth is like any other entity in many ways, but in other ways it is new and unique, different than any other living thing in the universe.

Thus there is truth in Solomon’s truism, but there is also truth in the use of KAINOS in Revelation, or new things that have never before exactly been.

These two gleanings of truth from seemingly contradictory scriptures highlights two statements from DK.

(1) “Words veil truth.” In other words, it is difficult to put a thought into words so its meaning is literally seen in every application.

(2) He also said that two sets of teachings from even masters may appear to contradict, even though they do not when seen from a higher angle.

“The truth is true and nothing else is true.” A Course in Miracles

March 28, 2005

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The Rainbow Bridge

The Rainbow Bridge

Questions concerning Revelation chapter five:

(1) What did God look like?

(2) What is the meaning of the rainbow?

(3) Who are the 24 Elders? Do you think they are all men? What is the meaning of the crowns of Gold?

First, we are told that God was to “look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.”

Now the interesting thing is that exactly what a jasper and sardine stone was 2000 years ago may have been lost to history. Plato mentions these three stones in his writings as very precious and they are mentioned several other times in the scriptures. Later in Revelations we are told that the light of the New Jerusalem “was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.” Rev 21:11

Why is this significant?

Because the modern jasper is a dull opaque stone whereas the jasper of revelation was “clear as crystal.” Some scholars think John may have been describing a diamond or something similar. On the other hand, the sardine stone was supposed to be blood red. Scholars believe the emerald of ancient times was similar to the modern emerald.

When John saw God he thus saw a translucent white light contrasted by a deep red and the reflection of a rainbow of colors around the throne that looked like light reflected through an emerald.

There is another mention of the contrast of white and blood red in Rev 7:14 “These (the saints) are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The robes of the saints were made white by being washed in blood. Did John see a correspondence of this symbol in that the Jasper is made clear white through the contrast of the blood red of the sardine stone?

A major point to consider is John does not describe God as a man sitting on a throne, but as lights resting upon and around the throne.

Even so, when the disciple goes within he will discover a door and on the other side of the door he will discover a variety of lights, or God resting upon his throne.

Here is one description that DK gives of the light in the head: “This pathway of light leads to the heart of a dark blue disk at the very centre of which you were told I could be contacted. Those of you who are in any way adept at meditation work know well that the light in the head when seen and recognised passes usually through three stages of intensification:

“a. It is, first of all, a diffused light, surrounding the head, discovered later within the head and producing an inner radiance, which is the rudimentary halo.

“b. This diffused light then consolidates and becomes an inner radiant sun.

“c. Finally, at the centre of that sun, a point of dark blue, or a small indigo disk, appears. This is, in reality, the exit in the head through which the soul passes out of the world of phenomenal existence, and it is the symbol of the path or the door into the kingdom of God. This is the symbolical interpretation of the phenomena.”

In addition he makes another interesting statement: “The human being who has taken the highest of all our planetary initiations is termed “the diamond-souled” the man who can perfectly transmit the pure white light and yet reflect equally all the colours of the rainbow, the seven colours of the chromatic scale. His personality is here called by the same term for it has become a transmitter of the inner light or radiance.”

He also calls the link between the higher and lower self the rainbow bridge. The personality has all the colors of the rainbow which are merged into the one white light of God.

The lower self circulates around the throne of God, but the final light sitting upon the throne is white, clear as crystal.

Round about the throne were 24 Elders. When the scriptures says “elder” we have a tendency to think of a male dominated position, but the word comes from the Greek: PRESBUTEROS which implies old or ancient, These twenty four also sat on thrones, mistranslated as seats.

As we said at the beginning the book is about the unveiling of Jesus Christ and for what was Christ most famous? The first historical human molecule of twelve human units, twelve male with twelve female companions. The twenty-four have thrones as God does because they are extensions of the full consciousness of Christ.

Finally, the crowns of gold symbolize the victory over the lower nature and the ability to maintain soul contact at all times so the molecular order maintains its presence before the throne of God.

Here are the next two voices:

“And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.” Rev 4:5-6

Contemplate as to what the symbols in these verses mean.

The lightenings from the throne or presence of God are flashes of light, intuition and revelation the seeker discovers as he approaches the inner presence.

The thunderings are the inner quaking  that penetrates to the core as one senses the voice of God within.

The voices are the expressed communication the seeker makes as he translates the revelation into words as he teaches his fellowmen the principles he received.

The seven spirits of God are the seven chakras as they apply to the individual.

The Sea of Glass is the highest of the seven planes or the “divine.” On the physical level that which corresponds to this is space itself, whether it be the space which holds the stars or the space within our being.

Whereas space in the physical plane is filled with blackness, space within the divine is filled with light and produces the effect of a sea of glass to the seer.

Now think some more about the meaning of the four beasts and the eyes within.

“„…round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever.” Rev 4:6-9

The most obvious thing of interest here is that these four beasts are symbols of the fixed cross of the zodiac. The first beast was the lion, the symbol of Leo, the second a calf for Taurus, the third a man, a symbol of Aquarius and the fourth a flying eagle, one of the symbols of Scorpio. Each sign of the zodiac is in one of the three crosses: the mutable, the fixed and the cardinal. The fact that all four of these signs are in one cross shows that the astrological connection is no coincidence, but an important message is embedded therein through symbolism.

The meaning of the fixed cross signifies fixed intent, persistence, reliability and firmness – that which can be depended upon.

This gave the early saints three messages: (1) You can depend on God to stand by you, (2) he who endures to the end shall be saved, (3) a symbol of the cross whereon the Son of God was fixed between heaven and earth.

Each of the beasts has six wings. Isaiah calls these beasts Seraphim “In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.” Isaiah 6:1-3

Searaphim comes from the Hebrew SARAPH and means “burning or fiery ones.” This is translated as “fiery serpents” in Numbers 21:6 & 8 and as a “fiery flying serpent” in Isaiah 14:29

The fact that these four beasts are associated with serpents (a symbol of wisdom) tells us that there is much wisdom to be gained through an understanding of the fours signs of the fixed cross. The fact that they are fiery before the throne of God is a sign that enlightenment can come through the contemplation of God’s handiwork in the heavens.

The six wings are a symbol of the six worlds of creation with the seventh being the throne of God or the sea of glass. Four wings cover the fiery light and only two are in use which tells us that average humanity cannot see (wings covering the face) or work (wings covering the feet) in the higher worlds. They are limited to two worlds ˆ the physical and emotional. When the “mark of the beast” is removed, two more wings shall be free and cause the seeker to gain greater power of flight to the world of the mind and intuition or higher love.

The four beasts were “full of eyes before and behind.” [ Rev 4:6] “Before” is a symbol of a vision of the future and “behind” a symbol of the past. The beasts speak of that “which was, and is, and is to come.” [ Rev 4:8]

This tells us that when we uncover the secrets of the throne of God (the stars of heaven) that we can decode the secrets of the past, present and future.

This is the destiny of the science of astrology, which is yet in its infancy as far as the general understanding of humanity is concerned.

“It doesn’t make a difference what temperature a room is, it’s always room temperature.” Steven Wright (1955 – )

March 9, 2005

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The Christ Principle

The Christ Principle

Question: Are we searching for the one true interpretation of the Book of Revelation, or are several possible?

JJ: There are always a number of interpretations that apply to any inspired word, but they will harmonize with the Law of Correspondences. Just because someone gives a different explanation does not mean it is true. If the exegesis does not correspond correctly then one may rest assured that it is outright wrong. For every right explanation of Revelation there are a hundred that are incorrect.

Now let us look at the verses under discussion:

“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” Rev 4:1-2

Questions:

[1] What is the door which was open in heaven?

A reader responds: “The Mind or Soul Contact.”

This is a good answer. Why?

Because it harmonizes with the theme of the book which is “The unveiling of Jesus Christ”

What does the door in heaven have to do with the Christ?

To understand this we must ask what is the door that lies between heaven and earth, or spirit and matter?

Answer, it is the soul.

And what is the soul?

The soul is the Christ principle itself, the “Mediator between God and man.”

The first great Principle of the vision then is that the key to unlock the door to heaven is to obtain soul contact or find the Christ within.

[2] Why did the first voice sound like a trumpet? What is the meaning of the sound of a trumpet?

A reader tells us that the voice is like a trumpet in that it penetrates us to the core.

There may be some truth to this for the word “trumpet” is from the Greek SALPIGX whose root meaning imply “to shake or disturb.” Another famous scripture using this word has to do with the gathering:

“And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matt 24:31

The messengers who gather the elect will not sound like a trumpet as the musician playing a musical instrument, but will have a message that penetrates to the core as the sound of a trumpet.

Remember one of the purposes of the sound of a trumpet is to serve as a wakeup call for troops, possibly going to battle. The sound of the spiritual trumpet wakes us up to the spiritual battle we must fight so the Christ nature can overcome our earthly nature.

The sound of a trumpet in this scripture in Revelation is obviously not a musical instrument but we are told that it is a voice that is speaking to John saying:

“Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.”

In other words, the sound of the trumpet signifies that John was awakened to the fact that something of great importance laid before him and he needed to pay attention.

[3] What is the throne set in heaven?

The throne of God can apply to three situations.

(A) The Solar Logos (the life of the Sun) surrounded by the seven sacred planets.

(B) The Planetary Logos, The ancient of Days in the midst of the seven planetary centers.

(C) The Center between the eyebrows wherein we find the inner God in the midst of the seven centers of the human being.

The verse ends with “And one sat on the throne.”

He who sits upon the throne between the eyebrows is the inner Christ which is master over your lower nature and reigns supreme with no one to challenge him.

The next three verses read:

“And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.” Rev 4:3-4

Questions:

(1) What did God look like?

(2) What is the meaning of the rainbow?

(3) Who are the 24 Elders? Do you think they are all men? What is the meaning of the crowns of Gold?

Reader question: Studying the Book of Revelation causes the number 666 to come to mind. I have heard it refers to money. What do you think?

The idea that it refers to money comes from I Kings 10:14 Which reads: “Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.”

Because this number (666) seems to be synchronously associated with money then some associate the number and the beast with money.

There are several things that does not fit the Law of Correspondences when this interpretation is used.

First, to say that no one can buy or sell unless he has money is about as big of a revelation as saying that no one can breathe unless he has air. If the answer were this simplistic then air could also be the answer for no one can buy or sell unless he first breaths air to stay alive.

Secondly, the mark of the beast is presented as negative thing to receive. Money, like air, is neither good nor bad. Just as we breath air and can use the energy for good or evil even so it is with money. Money can feed the hungry, help the sick and help to bring happiness if used correctly.

One can say that no one has ever been able to buy or sell without money, not only in the age of the beast, but all ages, especially when you consider that even barter is a form of exchanging money.

When a true interpretation of the mark is given it will strike a chord within and seeing it as an outer authority does indeed strike that chord.

In Revelation chapters 13 and 14 two types of authority are portrayed.

(1) An imposed outer authority controlling the mind (mark in the forehead) and the labor (mark in the right hand) of subjects. (2) The inner authority signified by the name of the Father in the head of those who have escaped the mark (Rev 14:1).

Unlike money, which can be used for good, unearned outer authority always has a negative result, leading the seeker further into illusion. Redemption from this mark is always the same which is to find the name of the God within and receive verification from this inner authority rather than the outer.

As far as I know I am the first to teach this interpretation of the mark, but the interesting thing is as soon as people see how it corresponds that they immediately accept it. I believe the day will come that this will become the most accepted interpretation just because it makes so much sense.

What I have given here is small part of what I have written on the subject, but we covered the beast in detail in my first 100 or so posts. Those who have an interest may want to go to the archives and read the applicable posts.

“The best armor is to keep out of range.” Italian Proverb

March 8, 2005

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Unveiling Revelation

Unveiling Revelation

Time for a new venture my friends.

Several times over the past few years have readers expressed an interest in unlocking more of the secrets of the Apocalypse, or the Book of Revelation. When we first started the Keys we spent several months on the most mysterious of all scripture which was Chapter Thirteen of the book dealing with the Beast and the antichrist. This continues to this day to be among my most quoted writings delivering interpretations found nowhere else, except as they have been placed in circulation since that time.

Now we will go through the rest of the vision of John and again instead of taking orthodox interpretation we shall search for the real meaning behind the symbols. This may take a while to complete, but when done we should have plenty of material for a book or two and hopefully, we can shed light where before there were only shades of gray.

The first three chapters are not part of the Great vision, but are messages to the seven churches at that time. Even these are more interesting than meets the eye, but for the sake of brevity we shall skip over them at this time, except for the first three verses of the first chapter which applies to the book as a whole and reads:

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.” Rev 1:1-3

There are several interesting statements here that are ignored by many commentators.

(1) The book is a “Revelation of Jesus Christ.”

“Revelation” here comes from the Greek APOKALUPSIS. Does this Greek word look a little familiar? It should for it is the word from which “Apocalypse” is derived. The book is sometimes called the Book of Revelation and sometimes The Apocalypse, but in reality the name is the same. “Apocalypse” is the Greek rendition and “Revelation” the English of the same word.

Let us examine the word a little more carefully. APOKALUPSIS is translated in a variety of ways including, “revelation, be revealed, to lighten, manifestation, coming and appearing.” It is derived from the Greek APOKALUPTO which means “to take off the cover.” This is perhaps the reason the Concordant version translates the word as “unveiling.” In fact, their translation does not name the book Revelation or the Apocalypse, but “The Unveiling of Jesus Christ.” Unveiling has a deeper meaning than the word revelation. A revelation of Jesus Christ could occur by having a short vision and seeing his image. But an unveiling is a different story. A short vision could not do this. To unveil Jesus Christ would imply the revealing of his mystery, layer after layer until there is a full understanding of the light received.

I therefore, submit that the purpose of the book is much more than a mere revelation that there is such a being as the Christ, but that there is an unfolding of a mystery like the unfolding of a flower by the power of the light of the Sun.

Keep this thought in mind as we proceed.

(2) John was shown things “which must shortly come to pass.”

This seems to be an odd statement indeed when almost 2000 years has passed since it was written and most believe that the events have still not come to pass. Where is the great comet striking the earth? Where is the antichrist and where are the waters that are turned to blood etc? 2000 years is not a short time by any human standard, yet the scripture says these things would shortly come to pass.

Now note the end of verse three:

“the time is at hand.”

Not only is the time short, but the time is at hand. Is it possible that all predictions within the book have already happened, or perhaps they repeat themselves on a cyclic nature? This is a good question to keep in mind as we examine the text.

(3) “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.” Verse 3

Thus is a very interesting statement. Why?

Because most people who read the book do not feel blessed. Many feel almost cursed with fear instead because of all the calamities predicted there. How can you feel blessed when you feel that a good portion of the earth may be destroyed and many loved ones will suffer great calamities?

Or is it possible the book is misunderstood, that the real purpose is to unveil Jesus Christ and such an unveiling will bring a blessing and not a curse?

Keep this thought in mind as we move forward.

Now let us go to the first part of the vision:

“After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” Rev 4:1-2

The first thing you might want to do is to get an overview of chapter four and read the whole thing.

For purposes of interpretation forget the literal vision and whether or not John saw images with a real existence. Instead remember this one important point. All form, real or imagined, represents a real inner truth that can enlighten the understanding.

Questions:

(1) What is the door which was open in heaven?

(2) Why did the first voice sound like a trumpet? What is the meaning of the sound of a trumpet?

(3) What is the throne set in heaven?

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March 7, 2005

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 17

This entry is part 17 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 12

The Number of the Beast

“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of humanity; (it says man but is humanity in the Greek) and that number is six hundred three score and six.”  Revelation 13:18

Six is the number of the Piscean age and the strong authority of the beast governs that age. The three six’s are symbolic of the three levels of control – control on the physical, control on the emotional and control on the plane of the mind. When you have a beast that is charge in of you, you have to physically do what you are told, you have to feel the way you are told to feel and you have to think the way you are told to think. If you do not have the six on you and bow to strong control on all these three levels, you will be attacked by the beast and his agents wherever they may be.

Fortunately, we do not have control by the beast here in America that some of the other nations have but we made an image to the beast. Now the scripture talks about people who have escaped the beast. Let me just go into that and then we will wrap it up.

(Revelation 14:1) In the very next verse in chapter 14 it says, “I beheld a lamb and he stood upon mount Zion and with him, one hundred and forty four thousand having his Fathers name written…”

Where was the Father’s name written? In their foreheads. And the beast has his follower’s number and name written where?

Audience: The hand and the forehead.

JJ: Hands and foreheads but those who escape the beast find the name of God written in their foreheads and, in other words, the disciple finds the throne of God in his “forehead.” He found the name of God in his forehead and when we find that name, the beast who represents the god on the outside comes after him. That person on the outside representing the beast speaks with authority as if he were God standing there telling us what to do, whether it be a religious leader, a political leader or someone else. If the religious leader speaks and says jump then you jump. If he says that you have to change vocation or you have to marry this person, we have a revelation from God on it, well you do it, because you are under the control of the beast and you are obeying this person from the outside who is taking the place of God and that is what the beast is – he takes the place of God and he is on the outside.

You escape the beast by disregarding those on the outside and you find the name of God is written in your forehead and inside of yourself you find God. Only then can you escape the mark of the beast.

Audience: Weren’t the 144,000 beheaded?

JJ: No it does not say that, it talks about other souls that were faithful and were beheaded for their sacrifices.

Audience: I think it says that those who did not take the mark were beheaded and I think it Revelation 14, or 19 and 20.

JJ: (Flipping the pages) I don’t think it mentions the mark there, it says, “For the word of God they were beheaded.” A lot of people are beheaded if they do not take the mark. In other words, if you are in North Korea and say I am going to rebel and to hell the with Kim Jong Ill then you will be killed. Now fortunately because of laws written into the Constitution, Curtis and I could actually say what we wanted at our ex-communication trial and the worst they could do was ex-communicate us and confine us to eternal torture on the other side. In their minds this is actually worse than death.

After I was ex-communicated one of the brethren who presided over my trial came up to me and he said he wished we lived in the old days where they could put somebody like me to death.

Audience: He said that to you? Did you kick him in the shins!

That’s not my style but I think I did try to illustrate the illusion he was in. But that is what he said to me and I can’t remember what his name was. A lot of the high priests at the trial were my friends, but I did not know this guy very well and he was on the council. He came up and said that to me after I was ex-communicated.

Curtis: You know we could have sued the Mormon Church.

JJ: Yes, we could have because they ex-communicated against there own laws.

Audience: You could be that witness that caused the stir.

JJ: Yes, well, we will eventually caused more stir. Curtis and I caused quite a bit of stir but not a national scale yet. Any questions before we end this segment.

Audience: Question about the beast – you mentioned about the beast, and how the principle of the beast represented in correspondence to certain historical events with the fire coming down from heaven and the second beast and all that and I was wondering if you also had an understanding that those had an esoteric or physiological significance.

JJ; I talk about it in my book. One of the more interesting things is that it has an external interpretation that very closely corresponds but it also has an internal alternative interpretation in my book that applies in the life of the disciple himself. He has within him a beast that he has to overcome. So there are several interpretations to it but the thing that is interesting about the beast is it applies externally and every once in a while you find that there are scriptures that apply very close to external application. You can externally illustrate how the principle of the beast works by the using the power of dictatorships and the Untied States and the two horns of lamb and all those things.

Audience: What would the fire from heaven represent that the second beast brought down.

JJ: You mean the internal application of the fire from heaven.

Audience: Yes

JJ: I can’t remember exactly what I wrote on that and I will look it up and see what I wrote on that for you. Heaven always symbolizes higher consciousness, so the fire would be the spirit coming down from the higher consciousness. A lot of times even those who are upon the path of illusion do contact fire from heaven and it can be used for right or wrong. When the disciple first starts on his path he gets a touch of the fire of the spirit and it drives him crazy at times. This is what happened to Hercules before he began his labors. He was trying to become an aspiring disciple and do what’s right and it says he killed his twin brother and his family and mother and father.

DK points out that this illustrates that the disciple, when he first catches a glimpse of the spiritual energy, is driven almost mad in the beginning of his quest. The beginner cannot handle very much spiritual energy and if he gets too much he is driven mad.

Another example is David Koresh. He was sincerely trying to be a disciple in his mind yet he got more than he could handle and went crazy and the same with Jim Jones. He really went crazy and forced all his followers to drink poison Kool-Aid. And yet he was trying to get on the path and he got a little too much energy and it drove him berserk. And this happened to Hercules in one of his lifetimes and so this happens to disciples when they begin the path.

It is a very dangerous time and you can tell that we have a few strange people that come and go on the Keys list and you can tell that some of them have a bit more energy than they can handle. Susan and Sterling have a very interesting list where they have some really strange people show up. One guy there thinks he is God and another guy there thinks he is mighty and strong, another thinks he is Moses. I like hanging out there every once in a while because it is interesting to follow what those guys are thinking.

Curtis: Well, we cannot all be Moses and when I had a witness on reincarnation it was like that, it was like a fire, like a burning connected basically by the Kundalini awakening with not just one center, it was like the whole flow of energy, it was like being supercharged and that is why I had to release that and take it out to my Sunday school class. It is the kind of thing that you cannot hold in and I did not want to hold it in and it was something that I wanted everybody to know.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 16

This entry is part 16 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 11
Mark of the Beast

And the beast, it says, “causes all, both rich and poor, free and bonded, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads.”

The common interpretation today is they are developing this computer chip and we are going to receive an implant of a chip in our right hand and when we go through a scanner we have to pass our hand over the scanner or we will not be able to buy anything. The problem with this interpretation is even if that were true it would not be that terrible of a thing unless it was misused and we can misuse money as it is today – which we must have to buy or sell. That has nothing to do with the power of the beast to bring real terror into the hearts of mankind. Kim Jong Ill, the leader of North Korea, with no computer chip creates terror in the hearts of his people much greater than if someone had a computer chip in their hand.

And do you think that if a dictator took over this country that he would put the chip in the right hand after reading this! Everybody knows the prediction! This would be so obvious that everybody would think, well this guy must be the beast he is going to put a computer chip in our right hands!  Now it also says they will receive the number of his name. Hitler put a number on his Jewish subjects. Did he use a right or left arm to do that with?

Audience: Left arm

JJ: Why do you suppose he picked the left arm? Because everybody would think that Hitler must be the beast. So instead of picking the right arm like the scripture says Hitler read this and thought oh, they will think I am the beast if I put a number on their right hand or arm so I am going to put it on the left arm. So he put it on everybody’s left wrist which was pretty close to the hand actually. He avoided the hand because it says hand so he put it just above the hand.

He avoided the hand and he put it on the left arm instead of the right arm and thought, “well, now nobody can accuse me of being the beast.” He also placed the sign of on the left, rather than the right arm.

Audience: I heard something about the credit card that is related to this, the credit card has a number on it and I hold it in my hand when I swipe it.

JJ: Well you do not hold it in your forehead and it says the right hand or the forehead. The orthodox interpretation is if someone has a hand missing then they will put the computer chip in the forehead. Well that does not make a lot of sense. Imagine going through a scanner using your forehead! It would easier to put it on the foot or the other hand or his elbow or whatever stump he has left but if you put it on the forehead it would be kind of silly really. Plus it would painful to put a computer chip right into your forehead! It is possible that a tyrant could rise up and put some number on us all but what was interesting about Hitler is that he obviously read the scriptures and decided that he did not want to be portrayed as the beast.

Then we have his Nazi symbol, the Swastika – which arm did he put that on?

Audience: The Left

JJ: Left; he thought he was escaping the mark of the beast by having everybody put the Nazi symbol on the left arm and I believe he did that because he did not want to be associated with the beast but unfortunately for him he still screwed up because the Nazi symbol on the left arm symbolized the left hand path. So unknowingly in trying to avoid looking like the beast in history he really turned into the beast because the Nazi symbol on the left arm was symbolizing the left hand path. So he did not get out of the symbolism after all.

Audience: Didn’t the swastika spin to the left instead of the right.

JJ: It does point right or clockwise and there are two types of swastikas, one used by the Brotherhood of Light that goes counter clockwise and means the path of greatest resistance and the Nazis which used the path of least resistance, which is the path of materialism and that is what their swastika stood for. Now unfortunately the Brotherhood of Light cannot use the swastika anymore because Hitler just ruined it. So if we reverse the direction and use the swastika everybody would think we some kind of Nazis. Chuckling. They would not recognize that it is moving in a different direction so the swastika is pretty much out of commission for probably thousands of years.

The true mark on the right hand symbolizes labor. The forehead symbolizes thought. People already have the mark on their right hand and their forehead and in the Book of First John written 2000 years ago it says, “The anti-Christ is even now already in the world.” The beast was already there clear back in the days of John The Revelator and it has been there even before him. In other words, there have always been people who are the authorities that have ruled the world.

The seven kingdoms of the world have had the mark placed the mark in the right hand or the forehead of their subjects. They had to think the way they were told to think and labor for the authority they were told to work for or they would suffer and die at their hands..

I was just reading about back in the days of Martin Luther, (1483-1546 initiated Protestant Reformation, “The 95 Theses began in 1517) Martin Luther and his followers were persecuted. People that subscribed to his thinking were burned at the stake just for saying that they liked Martin Luther.  They roasted them, not quickly but very slow. They slow roasted them and then lifted them up off the coals before they died and let them recuperate a little bit and then lowered them back into the burning fire and roast them some more. That is how cruel they were.

They disemboweled others along with burning people at the stake just for voicing an opinion. It has been this way for thousands of years. We do not realize how lucky we are to be able to sit here in this room and talk. If we were to be transported back a couple hundred years ago we would all be burned at the stake, just for having this meeting. Now if we go where the beast has full power like North Korea, you have to think the way you are told to think and if you do not you go into re-education camp. You have to work the way you are told to work or you will suffer and be killed at the hands of the beastly authority in charge.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 15

This entry is part 15 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 10

Fire from Heaven

The other thing that I will go into briefly is the beast which has a lot of interesting symbolism,

And I stood upon the sand of the sea and I saw a beast rise up out of the sea have seven heads and ten horns and upon his head ten crowns and upon his heads, the name of blasphemy.

Why is he called the beast? He is called the beast because like attracts like and he controls people like they are beasts and what does a person that herds cattle do? He herds them and the beast has to go in the direction that he is told to go and if he does not then he gets whipped or something similar and is forced in some way to go the direction of the person that herds him. The beast in the Book Of Revelation is a great beast herder and what he tries to do is reduce all humanity who is not supposed to be beasts into beasts of burden where they do exactly what they are told to do.

He has seven heads symbolizing seven great kingdoms since the last great Adam. We are in the seventh head right now. And ten horns symbolizing ten divisions of humanity, there are ten religious divisions and ten political divisions in the world.

“And upon his heads crowns.” A crown symbolizes a kingdom and a king has life and death power over his subjects and can command them and they have to obey. “And upon his heads the names of blasphemy…” The names of blasphemy are all the names of those who represent the beast. In the religions it is, your holiness, your righteousness, reverend, father all these names are blasphemy which on the heads of religious rulers. All the religious leaders have these names, rabbi, father, reverend, and holy priest, your holiness and all these names are names of blasphemy.

In the political world we have the names of blasphemy also – your Excellency, your highness, your most high one or whatever, all kinds of names that people call the king or leader, these are also the names of blasphemy that are on the beast. When George Washington became president he insisted he just be called Mr. President because that is what he was and he did not allow any to call him a name that was recognized by the beast. He did not allow a name of blasphemy to be applied to him and he gets a lot of credit for that because he was probably the first man in history to refuse the power that the people wanted to bestow upon him.

And the beast which I saw was likened to a leopard, and his feet were the feet of a bear and his mouth were like the mouth of a lion and the dragon gave him his power, his seat and his great authority.

The beast is like a leopard because it is quick to destroy any enemy, anybody that threatens him. His feet were like the feet of a bear because he puts pressure and trods under his feet anyone that gets in his way. His mouth is like the mouth of a lion – and when a lion roars it puts the fear of God in everybody and when an agent of the beast says off with his head, he has that power to take off the guy’s head.

And the dragon, which represents illusion, gave him his power, his seat and his great authority and he did all his works through illusion. “And I saw one of heads as it were wounded to death and the deadly wound was healed and the entire world wondered after the beast.” Here in the physical realm we have the seventh head and it was wounded to death. When did his happen?

Audience: When the second beast came, right?

JJ: Not exactly, it was wounded to death by the Constitution of the United States, which brought freedom, and George Washington refused to accept a name of blasphemy and they established a free country that was free from the power of the beast and it wounded the seventh head as if it were to death. It looked like the seventh head was now going to die because freedom was going to spread all throughout the world but, “The deadly wound was healed” how was the deadly wound healed?

Audience: Bureaucracy

JJ: Bureaucracy. Everything was supposed to be done by elected leaders but what happened is we began to appoint all kinds of authorities. Everyone in the IRS is appointed. Nobody in that organization is elected, and this is the most scary and dangerous organization that we have. All kinds of people with authority over us are now appointed and not elected and there is no way to get them out of office. If we want to get rid of these people that have all this power over us we are out of luck. There is almost no way that we can do it and this heals the deadly wound. The deadly wound is being healed as more and more authority is over individual lives in this country.

People do not realize how far removed we are from the way our country was set up. The Boston tea party was revolt over a few pennies of tax. Now, if we add all taxes, most of us pay over 50% of our income to tax and this a lot more taxing than the early colonist were complaining about that started the revolutionary war. And they complained no taxation without representation. Well we have a lot more taxation without representation than they ever dreamed of and with that power the deadly wound was healed and the power over the lives of individuals is being brought back to us again.

All kinds of laws are unnecessary. Jessie Ventura suggested we spend two seasons making laws and one season undoing all the unnecessary laws, but no one listen. So the deadly wound was healed and there was given him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemy and power was given him to continue how long?

Forty and two months or again three and half seasons, three and a half seasons the beast has power to continue and he opened his mouth to blasphemy against God and His name and them that dwell in heaven. So the power of the beast blasphemies God by presenting an image of God that is not real and having us worship an outer image of God rather than the God within.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The word “worship” comes from a Greek word that means, “kiss ass.” Basically this is what it means, or, more specifically,  suck up to. So in other words, everybody is going to suck up to some authority that is going to have power to completely control their lives and tell them what to do.

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like lamb and spoke as a dragon.” The beast  had two horns like a lamb. The two horns like a lamb are symbolic of Christ, the lamb of God. A horn is symbolic of a power or a kingdom. And the two horns like a lamb stand for, the second beast which was America and it had two horns that was sanctioned by the hierarchy or by the Christ. The first was the establishment of a number of religious orders bringing greater light that were created in the United States. Some of these were Mormonism, Madam Blavatsky, Alice A. Bailey, the science of the mind and Unity churches. Many of these works that brought greater enlightenment to the world originated right here in the United States and that was one of the horns. The second horn was the political system, the Constitution and the free government that was started here. So this country had two horns representing the Christ but it spoke the words of the dragon. The reason it spoke the words of the dragon was the deadly wound was healed. Instead of being ruled by the constitution we are ruled by bureaucrats that speak words of authority that tell us what to do and what to think.

He exercised all of the power of the first beast before him and causes the earth and them which dwell in it to worship the first beast whose deadly wound was healed and he doth great wonders that he maketh fire to come down out of heaven and the sight of man.

Now when did the United States bring fire out of heaven in the site of man?

Audience: The creation of the atom bomb.

JJ: Right, the word “heaven” comes from the Greek word “Uranos” and what other word comes from this Greek word?

Audience: Uranium

JJ: Uranium, so in other words, the United States brought fire out of uranium in the site of man for everybody to see. So let us translate heaven as uranium and read it again, “He doth great wonders” and who has done more wonders than the United States, we even invented the Internet, right? “He doth great wonders, he maketh fire to come out of URANIUM on the earth in the sight of men. Doesn’t that exactly describe what we did at the end of World War II? We brought fire out of uranium in the sight of men. “And he decieveth him dwell upon the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the site of the beast. Saying to them that dwell upon the earth that they should make an image to the beast that had the wound by the sword and did live, and he had power to give life to the image of the beast that the image of the beast should both speak cause as many that would not worship the image of the beast that they should be killed.

Now one of the negative things that the United States has done is to support dictatorships controlled by the beast. Keep in mind that it has the righteous side like the Lamb of God but also a negative side. Speech with the authority of the dragon is part of the negative side.

So when did it make an image to the beast and give it power? In other words, the beast had all this power over life and death and the United States has done something to give life to an image of the beast. Now think back to the days of the Soviet Empire, what kept them alive? Whenever they had financial problems we would send them money and food. We sustained that image of the beast and who ever would not worship that image of the beast was killed or put in prison and many capitalistic investors actually invested in starting the Bolshevik revolution and financing the overthrow of the Czar and the creation of communism. A lot of that was financed by western bankers.

Now let’s look another one, North Korea. What do we do – we send them food. Does the food go to the poor people? No it goes to the military and the military tells the people, do what we say or you will be killed. And who is their biggest trading partner now? China another totalitarian dictatorship. If you do not play ball there in China then your life is in danger. Another is Cuba and even though we have embargo’s in place it is still financed by all kinds of people who send their money to their friends there and it keeps it alive giving them the power of the beast and life and death power over the people that if they do not play ball then they will be imprisoned or killed quietly. In this way the United States is sustaining the image of the beast throughout the world and if we would just quit helping the beast throughout the world then the beasts would all die, but we are sustaining them in power.

If we had not started this trade agreement in China and concentrated on India and Mexico instead we would not have the big worry that we have now about the large military build up in China.

So we have given life to the image of the beast throughout the world. We acknowledge the enemies of freedom and many of them are our enemies but we still send them food to keep them alive and to sustain them. It is a very strange situation.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 14

This entry is part 14 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 9

The Giving of Gifts

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.” Rev 11:7-9

I will not go into a lot of detail but my book explains that the disciples are either killed or leave the scene in some way as Jesus did. Then the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit and he creates dead teachings out of the residual the words and the works of the disciples. This is what happened to Jesus after He was gone. They created a dead body out of the teachings of Jesus and the church is a dead body that lays in the streets of the holy city for three and a half cycles of time that has lasted over two thousand years now.

For three and a half cycles of time the dead body of the church lays in the streets of the holy city. But then after three and half cycles the wise stand on their feet again and the Life of God comes back in them which means there will come a time in which the Spirit of Christ will come back in  the church and bring it to life and revitalize it.

Now this has also happened several times in history where the church has been revitalized and the two witnesses, the words and the works, stand back on their feet. But then they are corrupted and they turn back into dead bodies again and then they stand on their feet again.  So the cycle continues.

At the coming of Christ in the near future they will stand on their feet for the age and come back to life again. This time the teachings of Christ will be given out in their purity. The words and the works of the disciple will never die but they will be suppressed and a dead body will take its place but then eventually the words and the works have to stand up on their feet again. Eternal words like Jesus said, “My words shall not pass away, though heaven and earth pass away, my words shall not pass away.” And when the words and the works are given out they may be suppressed and appear dead but eventually they stand up on their feet again!

Audience: So it is not the church that revitalizes but the words and the works.

JJ: It can be through a church, a group, or anything but the words and works will stand up somewhere. Somewhere they will be rediscovered and revitalized and re-taught among humanity.

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.” Re 11:10

Now after the death of Christ what happened to cause people to send gifts to one another?

Audience: Christmas

JJ: Christmas. For a long period of time now to celebrate the birth of Christ. We send gifts to one another and we do it because we are in the dead body that is laying in the street of the holy city. So are doing exactly what it says. We send gifts to one another. We do that to celebrate Christ, and we do this because the real words and works are dead or more accurately suppressed. And we are rejoicing that we do not have acknowledge the real works. Instead, all we have to acknowledge is Jesus was born on Christmas day and so this prophecy is exactly fulfilled.

But after three days and a half the spirit from God entered into them and they stood upon their feet and great fear fell upon them that saw them. And this is what happens whenever the true words and works of Jesus or a disciple of any kind re-manifests or are reincarnated and represented. Then great fear falls upon the authorities that have a lot to lose if people believe in those words and works.

JJ: Quoting from the Book Of Revelation, “And in that same hour was a great earthquake.” And what does the earthquake stand for? The earth is what we stand upon and the authorities of the world stand upon what they think is secure immovable earth and when the words and the works of the disciple raise up again and are presented to the people then the authorities of the world that are depending on the dead body are shaken as if by a great earthquake. The earth quakes below them and they will feel that earthquake coming and there will be great fear that rests upon these individuals.

That same fear rested upon the Pharisees and Sadducees when they beheld the words and works of Jesus. Again this same fear that fell upon the priests of the Catholic Church when Galileo showed them that the earth was not the center of the universe. Galileo told then to just look through the telescope and see the truth but they refused in fear. What Galileo had discovered would upset their apple cart and the same thing happens with every true scientist, great prophet, teacher or whatever.

Audience: Can these events and people be predicted?

JJ: Well you can’t unless you can judge the first cycle or two. If you can judge the first cycle or two then you can of estimate.

Audience: So have there been cycles that could have been predicted?

JJ: Sometimes, but the half of times is the most difficult to predict because that is the time that you spend beyond the time you had intended to finish the work and sometimes it is short but it is usually longer than expected.

Audience: You said that it has been 2000 years or so that it has been dead so how can you determine what the cycle is?

JJ: Well here is one way you can do it, there are larger cycles and smaller cycles. There have been lesser teachers and greater teachers. You can go back through history and note the times that were teachers with great words and great works. Let’s say that if you study history that you could find that there might be a cycle of 300 years and another cycle of 700 years, so lets say we are at the end of a 700 year cycle and that would mean that we can expect a certain quality of teacher to surface again.

Audience: like the Renaissance period.

JJ: Right, the Renaissance would be one of the cycles where certain words and works stood up one more time. So a person could go through history and calculate when the next period might be for the words and works to stand up. Now there is a greater cycle that has not finished where Christ will come back again. We do not know that exact date of what it will be but that will be a greater end to a three and half time periods.

A dead cycle within an age is pretty close to 1,260 years and most people are expecting Christ within this generation but it is not an ironclad thing. It could be another 100 years; you just never know for sure. The mystery of His coming has not been 100% entirely revealed, but there is a lot of evidence that it will happen in this generation if we keep our nose clean.

They did not ask Him any more questions, why? Because His truth was so powerful it was like a fire that just devoured their argument and ate it up. So these guys were so put down that no man dared ask Him any more questions. That is how powerful his words were.

“And if any man may hurt them then they must in this way be killed.” Killed in the Greek does not necessarily mean physical death but it mean their arguments and attacks against him will be destroyed so they do not even exist anymore. And if these Pharisees did not have the power to ask Him any more questions than their argument was just destroyed and they were no longer able to do anything to hurt Him again on the mental plane.

These have power to shut heaven that rain not in the days of their prophecy and the power of the waters to turn them to blood and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.

When their enemies come against them and they try to destroy their arguments of their words and their works, the disciple fights back with truth and reason and light. It shuts heaven for these guys for they really shut it against themselves. An example is when the Pharisees came to Jesus and attacked Him. All the light that they thought they had pretty much disappeared and they could no longer claim any higher consciousness. When somebody fights against higher consciousness and light then that light which is within them turns to darkness.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 13

This entry is part 13 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 8

The Two and a Half Times

JJ: Now lets read on,

I will give power to my two witnesses that they shall give prophecy a thousand two hundred and three score days clothed in sack cloth.

A thousand two hundred and three score days is three and half years. Notice the three and half keeps showing up again and again. It shows up numerous times in the Book of Revelation in different ways. The two witnesses are buried for three and half days, the church is in the wilderness for three and half time periods, the Holy City is tread under foot for three and a half years and the beast dominates for this same time period.

The three and half time periods keeps showing up because the mission of the words and the works of the disciple always goes through three and half time periods. Jesus preached approximately three and half years before He was crucified. The three and half just keeps showing up again and again and again.

The three and a half is divided into four periods. During the first time period in accomplishing the words and the works of the disciple it seems to him that he is going to be able to accomplish his mission.  The work always looks easier than it turns out to be. The first period passes and not much has been accomplished, so he has to go through the second period and in the second period still the mission is not accomplished and he begins to be tempted to be discouraged.

He then proceeds to the third period which may be a year, or it may be many years, but there are three periods in the life of the disciple where he performs his words and his works and it seems for sure like you he will accomplish it. But the third period ends and still he does not accomplish it and it seemed for sure that he would not have to go beyond the third period or cycle. He is disappointed to realize that he must now continue for an unknown unforeseen period of time.  This is the half a time in the equation.

He must persevere – for that half of a time could be a short time or a long time. The half of a time is that time the disciple didn’t think was going to be necessary. He is going to have to go the extra mile to achieve his mission and that period lasts as long as it takes to achieve success. Jesus said this, “He that endures to the end shall be saved.” A more correct translation of that is “He who perseveres to the consummation of a work shall be delivered and have success.” You have to endure to the consummation of a work to achieve success. The key is the half of a time period, that period that you did not dream was going to be necessary. Have you ever heard the statement, “Things always take longer than you think”?  They always do. The disciple thinks that that first cycle is going to be all the time we need and then we are going to wrap things up. It always takes longer and the reason the half of a cycle is thrown in is because that is the period of endurance where he has to persevere for an unknown time period until he achieves success.

Audience: After he has received his enlightenment is he given his mission that he knows he is to accomplish?

JJ: He is given a number of missions along the way and at this time period he will perceive a work that he has to do and he will produce words and works that will testify to the truth of this work. Like Paul, first of all he was blinded and then he was healed and produced great words and works that testified of his mission and even though he was a former persecutor of the saints he was now a true teacher.

Audience: I heard a story about a man who wanted enlightenment and he went to a man who carrying a sack that had enlightenment and he asked what it was like when you find enlightenment. The man put the sack down and said what comes after enlightenment is this; he then raised the sack and put it back on his shoulder.

Audience: Daniel talks about the time and times and half time as well.

JJ: Yes and this is repeated in the Book of Revelation. I talk a little about Daniel in the book but I do not go into it in depth or else it would have most likely been twice as long.

Audience: I am relating to that.

JJ: The time and times and half a time, yes we both relate to it. We have been struggling a long time. Time is one cycle, times, is two cycles, and a half time is a half cycle, three and a half cycles. And it is given in a lot of symbolic language, three and a half days, 1260 days which is three and half years, 42 months which is three and half years, and this time and times and half a time keeps repeating itself.

This a really interesting scripture about the witnesses, “If any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth and devour their enemies, and if man will hurt them than he must in this manner be killed.” So what the Christian world is expecting is Moses and Elijah is going to show up in Jerusalem and the anti-Christ sends a few of his henchman to do away with them and fire is going to come out of their mouth and evaporate them. DO you think it is going to happen that way?

The disciple has his words and his works and if any man will come and try to hurt the disciple, they will attack him and try to destroy his words and works.  When attacked fire cometh out of his mouth, and that fire is the fire of light and truth, and that fire of truth devours his enemies. In other words, it was like the Pharisees who came to Jesus and said well you are not so smart. We are going to ask you a few questions. They asked Him some questions and his answers were so powerful that it devoured their argument and then the scriptures says this, “And no man dare ask him any more questions after this.”

They did not ask Him any more questions, why? Because His truth was so powerful it was like a fire that just devoured their argument and ate it up. So these guys were so put down that no man dared ask Him any more questions. That is how powerful his words were.

“And if any man may hurt them then they must in this way be killed.” Killed in the Greek does not necessarily mean physical death but it mean their arguments and attacks against him will be destroyed so they do not even exist anymore. And if these Pharisees did not have the power to ask Him any more questions then their argument was just destroyed and they were no longer able to do anything to hurt Him again on the mental plane.

These have power to shut heaven that rain not in the days of their prophecy and the power of the waters to turn them to blood and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.

When their enemies come against them and they try to destroy the arguments of their words and their works, the disciple fights back with truth and reason and light. It shuts heaven for these guys for they really shut it against themselves. An example is when the Pharisees came to Jesus and attacked Him. All the light that they thought they had pretty much disappeared and they could no longer claim any higher consciousness. When somebody fights against higher consciousness and light then that light which is within them turns to darkness.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 12

This entry is part 12 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 7

The Two Witnesses

And round about the throne were four and twenty elders upon the seats and I saw four and twenty elders sitting clothed in white raiment; and they had upon their heads crowns of gold.

He saw others that have gone on before him. It is also stimulating symbolic of the energy centers within us, We have the heart center with 12 petals of energy and this is also duplicated in the head. You have a heart center in the head and a heart center of course in the heart. All together there are 24 petals, half simulating female energy and the other male energy. This is one of the correspondences to the twenty-four elders but we are not constricted to just one meaning. If you see a meaning that correlates and corresponds then it is quite possible you can receive quite a bit of light from it – because in any inspired word or scripture there is more than one meaning that can be used.

We will move ahead here and we do not have a lot of time to go into detail on the Book of Revelation but there are several details that are quite interesting and one is the scripture that deals with the two witnesses. Has everybody heard about the prophecy of these two individuals? If you have talked to any of the religious people they are really big on these two witnesses. They believe, as I told you earlier, that two witnesses are going to show up soon. Some believe it will be just two regular mortals that are very spiritual men. Then a lot of Christians believe it is going to be Elijah and Moses showing up in a mortal state and they are going to wander into Jerusalem and start preaching.

I have come across quite a few people that think they are one of the two witnesses and maybe reincarnated from Moses or someone great. There are all kinds of them floating around. The two witnesses as it applies to the disciple, are totally different than we have heard before. “And I will give power unto my two witnesses and they shall prophecy a thousand two hundred and three score days clothed in sack cloth. These are the two olive trees, the two candle sticks standing before the God of the earth.”

Okay, so what are the two witnesses?

The two witnesses are two principles that bear witness to the truth of the teachings of the disciple who is the follower of Christ and has now undergone the transfiguration. He is qualified to be a teacher of righteousness and has internally two witnesses. The Bible says that all things shall be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses. As a matter of fact the Jews came to Jesus and said to Him, “the scriptures say that everything shall be done in the mouth of two witnesses and you are only one witness, where is your other witness? “And Jesus said there is me and then there is the Father that dwells in me.” (See John 8:13-19)

That was an interesting interpretation of the two witnesses by Jesus. There was Himself and then there was another entity higher than Him that was inside of Him. It says right there, in the scripture that there was the witness of two men, but where were the two men? Jesus was one and He who was within Him was the other.

For the disciple, as it pertains to the Book of Revelations, the two witnesses has another dimension to it. There were the two witnesses that followed Jesus wherever he went that testified that He was a true teacher. The first witness was what?

Audience: The Gospel, the soul, Himself and the Father that dwell in Him.

JJ: What was the first thing Jesus did that bore witness to who He was?

Audience: He was baptized.

JJ: No that bore witness to himself and John but what was it that got the people’s attention?

Audience: The miracles.

JJ: Okay and the miracles was a what?

Audience: A sign.

JJ: No what kind of witness was all these miracles?

Audience: Inaudible

JJ: All these miracles were the works of Jesus; they were His works.

Audience: So His first witness was His works.

JJ: Yes, that is his first witness, the works of the disciple bear witness to him as a true teacher. The second thing that got everybody really wondering who He was and got everybody all stirred up was something else besides His works and what was it?

Audience: His words.

JJ: Yes, His words. The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Him and said where did you get this doctrine? Who gave you the authority to teach these things? Where did you learn this? His words caused a tremendous impression on everybody; He said things totally different than they had been said before. If a man comes to you and wants you to go one mile, go two miles. Nobody had said anything like that before. Everybody thought that if somebody wants me to go one mile then I am going to get out of even going that one-mile if at all possible.

In those days if a Roman soldier came to you and said carry my pack for one mile then by law in the Roman Empire you had to do this or you could get thrown in jail. So everybody carried it for one mile but when they were done with the one mile they stopped at exactly that mark and then they were able to escape the legal repercussions. They could not punish them if they carried it one mile so whenever a Roman soldier selected somebody they only went exactly one mile because they did not like these Roman soldiers. But Jesus said if someone compels you to go one mile, go two. How do you think that affected a Roman soldier? Everybody only goes one mile and then they say “you S.O.B., carry it yourself.” And here comes the follower of Christ and he says I will carry it two miles for you. The soldier thinks, wow that is weird, I am impressed.

He says if somebody smites you on one cheek then turn, the other cheek. These words really made an impression on people. He said love your neighbor as yourself; love God first, this is the first great commandment and the second is love your neighbor as yourself and on this commandment hangs every law and every prophet and every commandment that has ever been given. All the scriptures hangs on this one principle.

Wow, nobody had ever heard that before. Just this one thing? It is not Ten Commandments and the thousands of little things that the Jews had to do. For instance, if they really wanted to obey the Sabbath correctly there were a couple of thousand things they had to memorize. For example, on the Sabbath you could not wear sandals with any metal in them because that caused more effort to lift the sandals up and down. They had hundreds of little rules. You were allowed a couple thousand steps and if you took one too many then you broke the Sabbath and you just had to quit walking and wait until the next day to take more steps!

Audience: Laughter. They had to make their meals the day before so they were not working on the Sabbath.

JJ: Right they had all these rules and regulations because we are going to perfect obeying the Sabbath so that we can really please God. Jesus said to His disciples when they were walking through a wheat field. The disciples picked a handful of wheat to eat it and the Pharisees saw them and said, Ah ha, you guys are working on the Sabbath; you are harvesting wheat! That is how fussy they were, but Jesus hit them with something entirely different. On this law of love hangs every commandment that you have ever been given and you can obey it properly if you can understand it.

Do you think the authorities liked that? Because if you understood that one law of love then all these rules and all these regulations that the authorities advised on became useless. The authorities got all this recognition for advising how to obey all the commandments but if you listened to Jesus then none of the authorities now were needed. And so His words burned like a fire through the hearts of His enemies and it caused them to hate Him. It also burned like a fire in the hearts of the pure of heart because it gave them hope that this would get them out of this mess they were in where they had to memorize thousands of little rules if they wanted to please God. And so the two witnesses to the disciple whether it is Jesus or a follower of Jesus are his words and his works. Now lets read on.

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