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Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 46

April 18, 2025 Joseph Dewey

JJ: When guilt is released then your progression in taking the steps along this ladder is increased. On the other hand, if you take a step and feel guilty then you will take a step down and not do anything for a long time. And then eventually you will try to take another step, and before you get to the second step you are going to feel guilty again and then you step back down because you do not even feel worthy of being on the ladder. But when you have overcome guilt then you take a step and think, oh this feels good and you are happy to be taking a step You make mistakes and then you correct them, and then you move up to the next step and the next step. The fact that you have overcome guilt will be a tremendous benefit as you move up the ladder.

Audience: “What about handling the discouragement as you progress up the ladder?”

JJ: This is a difficult one because all of us feel discouragement at one time or another. We are all in the same boat and things are not always perfect and many people are like the guy who is trying to move along the path and the vision of why things are the way they are is just not coming to him. It is like everything is kind of random for him. There is a scripture that I like that applies to this from Paul and he says, “Be instant in season and out of season.” In other words, whether you are in season or out of season move ahead along the path as if the season was always good.

I have found this to be true in my life and it seems like many times that bad seasons occur more than the good seasons, but remember what it was like when the seasons were good and then visualize that you are moving ahead as if the seasons are always good. Bear in mind the Law of Dominating Good and remember we talked about this earlier. Remember that you move forward with intelligence and that you are an intelligent being and you have the intelligence to correct wrongs, to make corrections as you go.

This intelligence will give you the power to use the Law of Dominating Good. And so this is what I have done when I have gone through a period where I have felt like there is a cloud hanging over my head and there seems to be no particular reason for it. Have you ever had this happen to you before? It just seems to be a cycle that affects us all and so if you are going through this cycle just continue on as if everything is great and then pretty soon the cloud will disperse and everything will be great but it takes a lot of focus. Remember the principle of dominating good.

Many people get discouraged and think that things will never work out for them. Never allow yourself to think that way and always remember that if you proceed and move ahead that good will dominate. Good will dominate because you are the force for good, you are the point of decision that decides what is good and what is evil and you can make the decision that good will dominate because you have the full power within your hands. I will take questions now.

Assaf: “How do you handle your feelings if the person you are dealing with has the intention of hurting you?”

JJ: In other words, how do you deal with a mean-spirited person who is consciously out to harm you?

Assaf: “Yes.”

JJ: We will go back to the teachings of Christ on this and He gives some basic teachings that are really good that even staunch Christians do not incorporate in their lives. In the movie Gandhi when he was with a Christian minister going through some rough neighborhood in India, the Christian minister said something to affect that they needed to take a detour and go another way. Gandhi then preached to him out of his own Bible and he said, “If someone slaps you on one cheek are you not told to turn the other cheek?” The minister said, “Yes but it is not like that.” Gandhi said, “Well how is then?”

The minister did not have an answer. I thought that was very profound. With the teachings of Christ it is often times like this. If you present them to a regular born-again Christian who is really into the Bible they will say that Christ really did not mean it that way He meant it some other way. But truly the basic teachings that Christ gave on the Sermon on the Mount are very good, but His own followers ignore them. He taught that you should turn the other cheek.

Now with His teachings the person always has to keep in mind the great truth that Solomon taught, “There is a time and purpose for everything under heaven”, so there is a time to not turn the other cheek and we have to look at the principle of turning the other cheek and following the principle behind it.

If you try to follow the teaching by the letter of the law than you will get discouraged and it will not work for you because there are times not to turn the other cheek. Let us look at the principle of turning the other cheek, I have applied it a number of times in my life and it is very powerful.

What is the principle behind turning the other cheek? It is not always a smite on the cheek, it may be an insult, it may be someone that crossed in front of you in traffic or something like this. We meet people that turn aggressive toward us, and when we meet people that turn aggressive toward us instead of reacting and returning the aggression, we turn the other cheek and be nice to them.

Sometimes what it does to this person is it will make them aware of how mean spirited they are and they will often apologize to you. I remember when I was in phone advertising sales and there was a guy that was really mean to me. I did not get upset and I just was really nice to him and after I hung up the phone it rang a few minutes later. It was the guy calling to apologize for his behavior and he said “I was mean to you and you were so nice back to me that it made me realize what a jerk I was,” and then he wanted to buy an ad from me! So being nice to the guy who was mean to me made him realize how badly he was behaving and it was enough for him to change that behavior toward me.

And this often happens, I have seen it play out on different levels and if somebody is really aggressive and mean spirited and you are nice back to them they will often soften and be nice in return. Now there are other times when this makes the person even angrier, have you ever had this happen? I have been in relationships where the nicer I am the angrier they get.

When I was living at the Fire Station in Moscow, Idaho there was this one guy in particular who started being a real jerk to me – kind of out of the blue, especially during meals. I tried to ignore his behavior and was pleasant in return.

Then he became even more obnoxious, but no matter what he did I tried to overlook it and tried to be nice in return. This continued for a week or so until one day he approached me and explained his mysterious behavior.

He said, “I have never seen you get irritated at anyone here, so I thought I would try and irritate you. All week long I have really been trying to do stuff to bother you and make you mad at me.”

I said, “Yeah, really? I thought you were just having a bad day.”

The point is that if you treat people nice, they will notice that. But what causes people, after you have treated them nice, to turn on you at times and become even more irritable?

Again, we get back to guilt. If they’re that way, it’s because they are so full of guilt that when you turn the other cheek you reveal to them their faults. They feel guilty about them and instead of correcting the guilt they become more irritable than ever. But if they are not too full of guilt and can handle it, then turning the other cheek will help the person to progress.

But if the person is not making any progress you have to tune into your higher self as much as possible and try to figure out if there is some other alternative to help this person see himself as he is.

If the person is impossible to work with, I just get out of their way and avoid them completely. If you’re married to such a person the best thing to do is just get a divorce. Because if you are nice to a person and he or she is not nice back to you there is not much you can do to help them until they reach rock bottom and have to face themselves. It may be another lifetime before they improve, so it is usually best to just avoid these people as much as possible.

Now, if your mindset is on the things of the spirit you must realize that like gathers like unto itself. When I look at myself and then the group here that is gathered around me, I have to say that I must not be all bad because look at the good people that are gathered here. So that gives me added faith in myself when I realize that “like gathers like.”

I have found that when a difficult person comes into my life it is rarely someone I have chosen, but some outside agent or friend brings them into my life.

These people who are not on your vibratory measure will not normally come into your life, but maybe some friend or associate brings them in. One must be really aware of these third party introductions.

What one must do is to be aware of your own vibration and then visualize seeing that go out into the universe and bringing into your life others similar to yourself.

Audience: “Is there a tool or method to use to bring good people into your life?”

JJ: You will naturally bring people of a similar vibration into your life, but what you want to avoid is bringing in those who are in a negative state or others who are just not on your wavelength.

The way I do this, which has been pretty successful in my life, is that when I meet someone that I do not want in my life, I just tune him out. It’s difficult to explain how to tune someone out, but basically you just avoid letting them into your consciousness and place no attention on them. Don’t think about them and do not give them any energy for remember, energy follows thought. If you give them any energy, good or bad, they may come into your life.

So when I meet someone who has a vibration I do not like, I give them no energy and even when I am talking to them I do not think about them but let my mind drift to other things. Something in such people will pick up the signal that they should not be in your life and they will disappear out of your ring-pass-not.

The mistake people make – and this problem happens to some of the nicest people – is they want to be nice to everyone. If you meet someone who can be a future problem or their vibratory rate is a lot different than yours the tendency is to be obviously nice to them because you are nice to everyone. So, you wind up being nice to the guy and in return he thinks, “Well, this is a really nice person. I’m going to hang out with him.” So you wind up bringing this person into your life.

Now I am nice to everyone, but when I meet someone I do not want in my life, and I meet them almost every day, because we have a business and meet a lot of people, but I just do not give them any energy unless I want to befriend them. I am nice to all but I do not go out of my way or give them go-ahead signals.

Okay, it’s been a pleasure meeting with you guys we will adjourn till next year.

This is the last segment of the 2005 Gathering. It is interesting that the written transcript is composed of over 93,000 words. That’s an average sized book and that leaves out some healing and meditation sessions. That’s an amazing amount of material for one symposium and I must say that I appreciate the group’s patience for hanging in there are paying attention all the way through.

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Feb 27, 2010

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Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 45

April 17, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 45
Guilt and the Outer Gods

JJ: The key to liberation as we move along the path is total honesty, to be as honest as possible, not only to other people but also to ourselves. If you are honest with yourself and feel angry it doesn’t matter if you are the most advanced person in the universe, you still have to deal with the emotion, whatever it is.

It does not matter how advanced you think you are, you have to face the fact that this is what you feel. “To thy own self be true,” said Shakespeare. If a person feels jealous, and this is a hard one for a lot people because I heard many people say, “I never feel jealous and I am beyond that.” Believe me in the right circumstance these people will feel jealousy, and if they say they do not feel jealous then they will be in a state of denial. So if the person feels jealous then they should simply admit it.

What you would do in this state of honesty is share your feelings with the other person. You would say, “Sweetheart that situation made me feel this way and it may be silly but that is how it made me feel.” If you share that with a person in the right way then the he or she will understand and work with you so you do not feel that way. This is really important because total honesty is one of the main keys to liberation that will allow us to step along the path.

In a way perhaps the reason I ignored what I was supposed to do for so long is I did not examine my feelings on it with total honesty because it was not what I wanted to do. I wanted to be creative, write and do the spiritual work, and what I found when I got into my business, and right now even though the business keeps me very busy, I have increased power so I still do the spiritual work as well as my business. I have been given increased strength so that I can do both. Eventually when I do not have to work on the business anymore, then I can have a focus on the spiritual work like I could have not done when I was younger. Every time we follow the voice of the soul there will always be a lot benefits involved with it.

Another thing that I have talked about that concerns many people is guilt. All the religions tend to induce guilt in people and they try to program it into them. What produces guilt is when there is an outside force that takes the place of God and that is what the Beast is in Revelation. The Beast in Revelation is an outside authority. There is a scripture that talks about the coming of the anti-Christ and says. “He will come in the temple of God shewing himself as God.” Everybody thinks that this will be some guy that is bigger, tougher and meaner than Hitler, and he will show up in some temple and proclaim himself as god like the “Left Behind” series is teaching. The born again people all teach this. That is not what it means. It means that the true anti-Christ is the person that becomes the voice of God on the outside to us. In other words, when the average person wants to know what God has to say he goes and asks some spiritual authority and that spiritual authority will say this is what God wants you to do. This is somebody on the outside taking the place of God showing himself as if he were God speaking to you the words of God with the authority of God.

You are not looking for the voice of God within but the voice of god without. Now when a person goes against the accepted voice of god without he will feel guilt. Guilt is one of the most destructive things in the universe, because guilt is caused by accepting a god without. A man, woman, Bible or even a piece of paper, or a building, something without can represent God. If you cross it and go against it you violate its will, and when you violate that you will have guilt.

The way to eliminate guilt is to eliminate the authority on the outside and put it on the inside. The 144,000 that were redeemed from the power of the Beast are those that have the name of the Father in the forehead. In other words, those that can look within with the third eye, so to speak, and find God — they are the ones who have escaped the power of the Beast and they have no guilt. The biblical scripture says, they are as virgins before the throne of God, and they are virgins before the throne of God because they have no guilt.

Now when I tell people that I have no guilt they think that my conscious must be seared with a hot iron, and I do not have a conscience. No, I have a conscience. When I do something wrong, I realize it is wrong and then I think that will just try not to make that mistake again.

This goes back to the definition of sin that we talked about earlier. Sin means to “miss the mark.” If you are shooting an arrow at a target and you miss it then you do not feel guilty about it but, you think “I screwed up.” If you are bowling and the ball rolls off into the gutter like what happens with Assaf all the time (chuckling) then you think, “Wow that is not too bright of me to do that; give me another ball!” You can’t wait to throw that ball again so you can show everybody that you do not always throw a ball in the gutter. In either case you do not feel guilt over your mistake.

When you cross the voice of god from without then guilt is created and you experience shame, you feel like you are not worthy to move ahead and be loved by God and this guilt affects so many people. To release yourself from guilt, release yourself from every outer authority from being the voice of God, even me. It is possible that somebody might accept me as being in the place of God. My mission is not to be in the place of God but to stimulate the God within you. This is where the subtleties come in, in finding the truth about things, because if a person misunderstands the way I am teaching, then I could become a god to them so to speak. That would largely be their fault because that is not what I teach.

I teach everyone to listen to me and verify it from within. The priest, pastor, reverend, Mormon bishop and many spiritual leaders do not say, “Listen to me and then go verify it from within and if sounds right then do it.” These people will likely say, “This is what the Bible says and this is what the word of God says so go and do it and if and if you don’t do it you are going to go to hell.”

Now these people that take the place of God are very subtle. I have talked to people quite a number of times who say they have guilt and they can’t see where they have an outward authority that they are still holding on to. These outward authorities are very elusive because many of them can be traced back to an earlier life. There are lot of new agers I have met that think they have moved beyond this, but when you talk to them you will find that they still have guilt.

In other words, there a lot of new agers that I have met and when you talk to them a bit you will find that they still have guilt, and when we touch on the areas of conversation where they have this guilt they are very sensitive about it. They are very likely to attack you or get irritable when you bring it up. You can’t even hardly mention a religious word or the word Bible around them without the hair on their neck standing up. Yet they claim they have left all that behind. But, if they have such a powerful reaction then they have not left it all behind. They would like to leave it all behind, they want to, but many in the metaphysical world had a bad experience in their childhood with their parents, religion, preacher or friends when they were growing up, and they still have some reservations about what they are taught.

Deep within themselves they will think, “What if the standard religion is true, what if this spiritual path I am on really does lead me down to hell and there really is a lake of fire down there and I am going to get thrown in it?” They try to block this out of their minds but instead of blocking it out of their minds it has to be evaporated with soul contact.

The game of life is not so much in holding a good hand as playing a poor hand well. – H.T. Leslie

Feb 22, 2010

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Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 44

April 16, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 44
Transcending Guilt

Audience: “I was reading the archives one time and another description that you gave of guilt, when guilt and shame came that you attempted to overcome it by the promptings of the soul that the personality became offended and generated this guilt.”

JJ: That is part of it for the personality is easy to get offended, it is a little bit of a different subject though because people experience guilt on a lot of levels and much of it can be traced back to a person’s younger years. The first thing a person has to do with guilt is to face the fact that he still has a problem with it. One of the biggest problems with people on the path is that they think, “Well I am pretty far along the path and since I am pretty far along the path then I will not experience guilt, anger, jealousy and I am at peace at all times.”

I’ve talked with people who insist they are at peace and they start to insist on this louder and louder and get angrier insisting that they are at peace as we continue the conversation so obviously, they are still disturbed. Just like people that preach love, “Yes I am full of love and don’t you forget it! You guys have no love and it is not me it is you!” People are funny and the big trap they get into is thinking that they are so far along the path that they can no longer experience this stuff.

No matter where we are on the path we are all human beings and we all experience these emotions. It is how we feel them, how we direct them and how we handle them that are important, not whether or not you are beyond them. Forget the being beyond stuff because as soon as we think we are beyond something it usually means that we are trapped in it. The first thing a person needs to realize and understand is to be true to himself, examine his own feelings and recognize what he does feel no matter what he feels and how embarrassing it is or how outrageous it is.

There are times that Artie [JJ’s wife] may hurt my feelings and I think, you know it is such a silly thing that hurt my feelings and feelings are not logical. They do not run on logic; they do not process something over and then feel. They just react, so she may hurt my feelings and I may think, this is such a silly thing and she will think that I am ridicules for bringing it up. Then I think that I am ridicules for feeling it and I do not even understand why my feelings are affected in this way. It is illogical. But this is what we have to face, feelings are not logical and our feelings do not know how to reason. So what you have to do, even though it may be a little illogical and a little embarrassing, is to admit your feelings to yourself and to the person that you are having these feelings about.

So I have to go to Artie and say, “I know this sounds crazy but when you did this – it kind of hurt my feelings.” Then we talk about it and the feeling just goes away. So as soon as you share the feeling it negates it and dissipates.

Often times things that eventually cause great harm start with some silly thing that we sweep under the rug and then later something comes back to reinforce it again and again and then eventually it becomes a big thing. Almost every divorce that people experience starts with some tiny feeling that got swept under the rug and then it magnifies because it got stimulated again and again by bigger stuff until eventually when they reach the point of separation they think, what did I ever see in this person that made me love them. I hate him, I can’t stand to be around him and I can’t stand a thing about this person and it is because all this negativity that he just swept under the rug just grew and grew.

Many relationships could be saved if people would just be totally honest with their feelings and this principle was followed. This is not the cause of every break up but it is the cause of a lot of problems with, not only romantic relationships, but with friendships, and all types of other relationships. In a good friendship you can hurt somebody’s feelings and say did I hurt your feelings? “No, no I am fine,” he says, but maybe he is not fine. Maybe he is sweeping this under the rug, so whenever there is a negative feeling do not just sweep it under the rug. If you don’t feel fine about something then let that person know how you are feeling and talk it through and the feeling will disappear.

Now if the person takes offense, then the negative energy will shift over to him but it will be gone from you because you have done your job. Then it will be the other person’s job to get rid of the negativity and if they accept it with the right attitude then the negative energy on both sides will dissipate.

This is a really important key and to get rid of guilt, which really, I don’t even know if we can call guilt an emotion but it amplifies the standard emotions, so it is very important to get rid of this feeling and when you feel guilt it is important to acknowledge that you are feeling guilty.

Now where am I placing my authority, where am I allowing my authority to tell me what comes from God. Often times the authority who can cause guilt may be a person not even living or even your parents when you were young. It may some preacher at church when you were young. It may be just reading the Bible itself because the Bible can become the word of God to you on the outside.

Now a religious person may say that it is blasphemy to say that because the Bible is the word of God. If the Bible is the true word of God then why are there several hundred churches with different views about what it says? The only true word of God is that which registers with your soul. This is the Word of God not just because you are reading it in black-and-white. You are registering it as true because it registers with your soul. When things register with your soul they cannot produce guilt. When a mistake is made we should think, “I made a mistake and I will correct it.”

Now if you refuse to correct it then you could go back to the guilt thing, and put God on the outside again, because if a person falls away from his soul contact then he falls back into his old patterns all over again and repeats the same mistakes again. But as long as the person maintains a little contact with the soul and eliminates the gods without then he can eliminate guilt. To find the source of the guilt is very, very difficult and extremely hard to do and takes a lot of concentration and thought as to what it was. What was it that created this guilt in me and why do I feel guilty about doing “X, Y, or Z”?

Each snowflake in an avalanche pleads not guilty. – Stanislaw J. Lec

Feb 26, 2010

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Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 43

April 15, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 43
That One Thing

JJ: In this age businesses put their name forward almost as if they were a holy institution and I haven’t noticed it so much lately but for a period of time it seemed to go through that cycle. Anyway it took a long time for that to sink into my head about honing my skills in business and many do not let this sink at all and they have to wait for another lifetime to take the next step.

In the East among many of the teachers in Hindu and Buddhists believe that the seeker should take care of his home and family and learn the practical ways of life before he even becomes a teacher and that seemed to be a lesson that I had to learn in this life and I really resisted learning it. When I resisted learning this lesson I felt a vibration in the soul that I think I was a state of denial about because I thought that maybe this applies to something else, or why was I getting this negative vibration.

Now I can understand why and it was because I was not following the direction and taking the step that I was supposed to be taking. We might be a lot farther ahead if I had taken this step earlier but I finally went into the step, kicking and screaming, but I took the step and when I did this I felt the wind was now at my back. I still was not good at it but I have learned much over the past 18 years or so since I made this decision. I was little bit in ignorance though because I kept looking back and saying that my soul was trying to guide me and I was ignoring it because I did not want to do it. So when I finally decided, the direction that my soul was leading me it became so clear, but it was not clear at the time because I was resisting and I did not want to do it.

I had a good reason for not wanting to concentrate on the practical side of life. I wanted to do the spiritual work and I find that many spiritual people have the same problem that I have had. Many of them are almost starving to death because they want to do the spiritual work but they cannot do either one. They cannot do the spiritual work and they can hardly feed themselves because they are not balancing off God and mammon so to speak. It says that you can’t serve God and mammon but there is a way of balance between the two. Especially as we enter into this new age which is a lot different than the Piscean age. God and mammon are merging so we will see a spiritual purpose in mammon as well as the true spiritual work.

There is a saying that says, “All things are spiritual when seen through the right eyes and seen through the right purpose.” Money is not evil; money can be a spiritual power, and The Bible says that the desire for money is the root of evil, not money itself. Money is a neutral energy; it is like the gasoline that powers a car, this is a neutral energy, you can drive to a spiritual meeting or you can drive over a cliff with your car. The energy that powers your car is neither good nor evil and it depends on the direction that you are driving your car. Money is the same way, it neither good nor evil and depends on the direction that it is being taken.

Getting back to the original point as to what the person must do is to take the next step and sometimes that first step is the hardest step of all and it may take 20, 30, 40, 50 years before it finally dawns on you to take the step that your soul is leading you to and realize that your soul seems to know something that you don’t. You say to yourself, I have to take this step, so you take this step and then the next step is easier and then the next step is easier still and so on.

Once you start moving up the ladder then you can go in geometrical progression and then the progression becomes faster and easier.

So, everything is really cause and effect.

There is cause and there is effect and a lot of philosophies want to teach us that we can neutralize cause and effect, but cause and effect cannot be neutralized – it will always be there.

There are people who say God is a causeless being. If He is a causeless being, then how did He cause the universe to be created? The universe was created by cause.

Another mystery is, is if God is a causeless cause, and for every cause there is an effect, how can they call God the First Cause? As if there is a first cause then there is a last cause; because, if there is a beginning then there is an end. No, there is no first cause and there is no last cause. Cause and effect just is. It just exists and there has always been cause and effect and always will be. It is an eternal thing.

Our job is to move up the ladder of progression. The first step in progression for a disciple is to master the physical self so it is no longer a hindrance to your physical progression. This why commandments have been given that center around sexual energy and things of this nature that a lot of people today think is antiquated. Basically if you should marry someone you should honor your commitment to them and part of honoring your commitment to them is mastering the energies on the physical plane. By mastering the energies on the physical plane we are taking the first step in our physical progression. The basic things like in the Ten Commandments; thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal, thou shall not bear false witness, and these basic elements of the religions are to help us to master the physical plane.

Then the next plane to master is the emotional plane where we master our feelings. It is not wrong to get angry for instance but it is wrong to use your anger that is destructive for another person. This is one of the greatest illusions among the use of emotions. We have negative emotions and we have positive emotions and both of these emotions are necessary. People think that anger, jealousy, envy, and all negative emotions are bad and what we should do is eliminate them. But if you are a human being than you cannot eliminate them completely.

If you are in love with somebody and there is a threat to your relationship because of a third party coming in then there is going to be some jealousy there and there is really nothing you can do about it, it is just there. What you do is you handle it in the most positive way possible. What produces long lasting negativity is when a person who thinks he is enlightened feels these negative emotions and then begin to deny them.

Here is how the thought process works: “He thinks, well I am a fairly evolved person and therefore I should not feel anger and since I am evolved and I shouldn’t feel anger it must mean I do not feel angry.” So when he feels angry he convinces himself that he is not angry that he is beyond anger.

Now what this does to the guy is that he will keep it bottled up and he will eventually reach the point where he will explode. We hear about these guys doing really crazy things and the neighbors will say, he was such a nice guy and he never got angry about anything.

He was in a state of denial and he reached a certain point to where the emotion built up and he could no longer deny it and he exploded and goes and shoots everybody in the post office or whatever. Almost every time one of these guys do this you will hear people say that they would have never dreamed that this guy was capable of causing this much destruction and pain. He was always so quiet and nice, but he was denying his emotions.

What poison is to food, self-pity is to life. – Oliver C. Wilson

Feb 16, 2010

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Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 42

April 11, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 42
One Step at a Time

JJ: Let’s talk reality. As we progress up the ladder of evolution we will encounter experiences, lives, and livingness that we cannot even understand at this moment. Compare us to a slug, now a slug is a life form and he is happy being a slug but he has no concept of what it is like being a human being. The same thing with us — there are a lot of lives that we can’t comprehend right now and what a lot of the religions teach is we are reaching out to some ultimate, or we are going to the eternal void or we are going back to the spirit. They say they are going to teach you how to be saved and make this one giant leap to the end of evolution so that you will never have to incarnate again and you will be beyond dualities and beyond cause and effect.

You will not have to live in a manifested universe, you will return to your source and it will be eternal bliss and you will never have to struggle again. Does that sound attractive to anybody? It is amazing how many believe in this and I have a hard time understanding what captures their belief in this.

Let us go on the assumption that there are spheres of livingness that are so far above us that we would have a hard time grasping it, what good is it for us to go there? If you are on a twenty-foot ladder what good does it do to concentrate on going to the twentieth step in one step. It is something that you cannot do. The steps are made on a ladder so it is comfortable to take one step at a time. It is practical and if we take one step at a time than we can ascend to the highest step on the ladder, but if you try to take all twenty steps in one you will fall down and get nowhere.

There are many people that are trying to take the twenty steps at one time and get to the ultimate all in one snap of the finger and all in one salvation. Now the born again group they say believe in Jesus and will be saved and you can make those twenty steps in one giant leap. Many new age groups believe the same thing with a twist. They teach different shortcuts for mastery and you will escape the wheel of re-birth all at one time! You will have no future lives and you will go directly to eternal bliss. The new agers, the middle agers, the old agers, all of these guys are teaching the one giant leap for mankind.

It does not exist, but what does exist is the ladder of evolution where we take one step at a time. Djwahl Khul makes an interesting statement about this and He tells us that the disciple must learn where he is and act accordingly. The first thing you need to know is that if you want to progress on the path then you have to learn where you are on the path. Let’s say that you do not know where you are on the path. In this case, you can take assessment of your abilities and what the highest you know is and then follow it, follow it to the best of your ability and then sooner or later you will find out where you are upon the path.

The first important thing is to find out approximately where you are on the path, and you can only find that out through contemplation, through study, through understanding the different levels of progression through the physical instinctual self, the astral self, the mental self, and then the spiritual self. So, find out where you are and then go to the next step. This is extremely important but so many seekers and so many philosophies, so many people in the metaphysics, so many people in religion escape this one thing that what we have to do is take our next step and if we refuse to take our next step and try to take a giant step then it can have grave consequences and cause us to waste an entire lifetime. Then we will have to come back and still take that step that our soul is waiting for us to take.

This is one of the things that I have discovered about the soul. When I receive some instruction about some step I have to take and if I do not take it and try to take another step then sooner or later I find myself back having to take this original step. If I am told something to do and if I ignore it and do not do it and I want to something else then sooner or later I am back facing that initial thing that I was told to do. You have to do that next thing before you can receive more and this is what stops a lot of people on the path to the progression along the soul. If the soul gives you information and you refuse to follow it, then you will not be given more until you do it.

The soul will give you reminders about this next step that you have to take and you have to take that next step before you can take the step after. Now there are exceptions to all things. Let’s say you have a next step in your progression and you want to do something more fun because usually the next step is something difficult, something that you have not done before and we like to do things that are comfortable. But our soul has always given us things that are uncomfortable to do. Because when we learn something new it is kind of tough for us, if you are a musician then you would much rather play a guitar than work on say theoretical physics right? But if your soul says no it is time to work on theoretical physics but you want to go back and play the guitar and relax because that is what you are good at. Right?

But if your soul directs you in a new way it is usually something that would not be your first choice to do, but then when you start doing it something amazing happens. You feel an energy that flows through you and revitalizes you and suddenly you know that this is what you are supposed to be doing. It is amazing how this happens. You resist and resist and resist until when you finally yield to the voice of the soul. Then you say, wow this feels so right and how come I did not realize this earlier? I would be so much farther ahead.

This has happened to me in my life and I will not go through all the details because I do not have time, but there was something that I had to do that delayed me about 20 years in some ways and my soul kept reminding me and reminding me more and more strongly until finally I yielded and made the decision and then it felt so good. It was amazing and I thought how come I did not understand earlier for I would be so much farther ahead.

Audience: “Can you tell us what was the main thing that held you back and was it a fear or something else?”

JJ: I will take a few minutes and tell you a little bit about what it was, It was an important lesson I had to learn and in order to fulfill my mission successfully I had to develop a certain amount of business expertise and common sense in relation to business, but my main drive has been in the spiritual area, so I have had a conflict between spirit and mammon. My soul has kept reminding me again and again that before you can complete your spiritual mission that I have to develop some common sense in relation to normal day to day living in the physical world such as business and how to make a living because I am going to need this expertise for other things that I am going to do.

Well I did not want to do this and as soon as I got ahead with a little money I would start a group or start a teaching and then I would lose everything and be right back where I started and have to go back and make money again. So I went through this cycle for about twenty years and finally, it was right about the time I met Artie. The funny thing about Artie is that in my two previous relationships my wives did not like the idea that my spiritual side of life was number one and they both wanted me to concentrate on the more practical things.

Well Artie was happy to have me do the spiritual things because that is what I taught her when I met her and then this direction of the soul finally dawned on me that I had to follow it. The funny part about Artie is that she was happy to support me in the spiritual work no matter what. She was almost disappointed that I said no we have to start a business and make it work, and if it takes twenty years more, I have to develop this side of myself. When I made the decision my soul sent me energy.

I still was not particular talented in that area but I have learned a lot in the time I have been married to her in this direction and I am a lot more grounded with a lot more common sense in the business area of life. I am understanding why my soul has lead me in this direction for a number of reasons as the group moves forward I am going to need to use a lot of business common sense. Another thing is the new age of Aquarius will very largely be governed by business but progressed much more than it is today. Business will progress toward cooperation over competion. You look at business as it was a couple hundred years ago where they employed slave labor and things like that. Now look at how business has evolved in the free world today where there is profit sharing and stock and ownership. The most successful grocery store in Boise is competing with Albertsons now and it is called WinCo and it is employee owned.

In this day, in order for businesses to get employees to work for them they have to offer all kinds of benefits and business is almost evolving toward a very beneficial institution. Now it still has it flaws but compare the virtues of the business world today to a couple hundred years ago and you see it has had a lot of evolution. Yet many people complain about evil business is. It does have its faults but what you have to do is compare it to a couple hundred years ago and then think about where it will be a couple hundred years from now. We may reach a point where business is more spiritual than a church. As you watch some of these commercials for business that they advertise on TV, it is kind of funny because it is almost as if they are advertising for Jesus. It almost sounds like, “Oh our business is so holy.”

Audience: Laughter.

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Feb 11, 2010

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Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 41

April 10, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 41
The Truth is True

JJ: We are going to talk about cause and effect as it relates to our past and our past lives and our past here. It is amazing the teachings that we come across in the Keys. Most of you are members and a handful of you are not, but we have a class and anyone on the Internet who wants to can join our class. It is interesting to examine some of the belief systems of some who join the group.

In the first few years of the Keys, we had no monitoring, and attempted to welcome all aboard and we received a lot more conflict than is now the case. We had a lot of people challenging us at the beginning and as time went on those that were negative toward me and the group moved on and the ones that stayed were the more positive solid thinkers. And then as the years have passed we have a strong core of good positive solid thinkers here so now when a weird guy comes on with challenging beliefs, he is seen as illogical. If he tries to convert everybody to his way of thinking, it is not only me he deals with, but he has a bunch of people to deal with and they will often jump on him and he will come back and say, “Boy I have never seen a group like this before they are just a bunch of robots following this JJ Dewey guy!”

Audience: Laughter.

JJ: He says they are all just like him!

Audience: More laughter.

JJ: What he does not understand is that some of the people that jumped on him gave me a really hard time at the beginning when they first came to the group. But some of them were opened minded and the conflict went back and forth and they started to see the value of the group and the value of the various teachings. There are a lot of people that don’t believe some of my teachings that are still good solid members of the group and this is what some of the new people that come to the group do not understand.

Like Larry — he helps with The Archives — a great guy, and I could not ask for a greater supporter. But if I say anything that does not agree with his logic and reasoning he will give me a bad time instantly and he will not think twice about it. The new members that come to the group need to understand that this is not some group that is hypnotized to all think alike. The areas that we think alike we think alike because we see alike, we see with a similar vision, many of us have touched the soul in the same way.

A lot of people have complaints about what I teach about the soul and that is when two people see something through the soul they will reach harmony. This is hard for much of the world out there to accept because individuals think that if that happens then, “I cannot be me anymore because if I am I then I am going to disagree with people.” Now is there any truth to this? Can you be you and still see eye to eye with somebody? Two plus two equals four. Is there anyone in the room that disagrees with this? No, okay you understand the principle behind Addition. Addition is a principle. Remember I said the language of the Holy Spirit is the language of principles, but one of the very simple principles is math and the principle of addition is very simple, 2+2=4. Now if everybody in this room thinks that 2+2=4 and some oddball comes in and says, “No, 2+2=5,” and everybody in the room jumps all over the guy, and he says, “You guys are just a robots who follow this JJ Dewey!” Well all of us here know that 2+2=4, and therefore we all think alike. Does this take away from our individuality? No, of course not. In the Kingdom of God the Masters are the same way. Christ and His Masters and all of the Higher Lives discuss matters in the language of principles, and when they are talking there is no disagreement and disharmony. Now there are some things that principles cannot tell Them a 100 percent and They make mistakes on Their own plane just like we make mistakes here.

This is a very powerful illusion among mankind where they think that God or Christ, the Masters, or the Higher Lives are flawless, and they never make mistakes.

Remember when we were talking about the levels of the video games and as you reach a higher level the degree of difficulty rises as well? Humanity is working on their level of difficulty, the Masters are working another level of difficulty, and if they came down to our level they would be close to perfect because our level of difficulty would be easy for a Master. But on His level of difficulty a Master has additional and varying degrees of difficulty to master as well, and He makes mistakes.

One of the things they cannot do is predict 100 percent of the future and cannot see all the repercussions. They understand the laws of cycles and there are certain cycles wherein events happen; like the cycles of the planet, ice ages, warming periods, cooling periods, certain cycles where volcano’s erupt, and certain cycles where there are various earth changes. Our scientists and we as humanity are just scratching the surface on this while the Masters understand these things a lot better than us. They know what’s coming but they do not always know the exact time when the various events are coming.

They also understand that human thought influences these things and has to be put into the equation but they can only put it into the equation so much because we, as beings of free agency, are not entirely predictable. Just like we can predict an animal to a degree more than we can predict a human but we cannot predict everything about an animal.

The Masters can predict much more about us than we can predict about ourselves, but among each other in the Higher Lives they are limited in what they can see. And then you go up even higher still — clear up to the Solar Logos. They all have powers of foresight and the higher you go the greater the powers of foresight, but the greater cycles reveal the big picture but not all the details. The details are largely left up to us.

Speaking of animals, when I first married Artie, her daughter had this little parakeet and we clipped its wings so it could not fly very far. I got to like the little bird and I would walk around with it on my shoulder. I got used to having this little bird on my shoulder and I would walk around with it there all the time. One time I went out to get the mail and I forgot it was on my shoulder and part of the reason I was not paying attention was that did not think it could fly. But one day as I was getting the mail it flew right off my shoulder and it never returned; and after that I had to deal with Artie’s daughter, and it was pretty tough to explain it to her.

Artie: Have you ever searched the neighborhood for a parakeet? It is very tough.

JJ: We searched all over but much to our disappointment we could not find this little bird and our efforts were in vain. This little bird grew parts of its wings back and was unpredictable, and this surprised me. We also surprise the higher lives every once in a while, and sometimes we surprise good and sometimes we surprise not so good; so you never know.

Back to the Keys — we have some oddball people coming on the site and one of the oddball philosophies that people teach is that we are in this world of dualities and what we need to do. They tell us that we need more love and these people that are telling us we need more love are the most unloving people I have ever encountered! They are obnoxious, yet they claim that they understand what love is and we don’t. Then they wind up irritating everybody in the group with their accusations and everybody returns the irritation back to them, and then they say, “Well this is the most unloving group of people I have ever seen!” And then as soon as they leave the love and harmony returns to the group.

Now we called some of these people, “nothingness people” because they believe in nothing. They think God is nothing and the ultimate reward for mankind is nothing, and we all need to learn what nothing is — which is something, and we also need to learn what love is which is something! They are very confusing!? Many of these people believe that we are in duality, and that duality is a complete illusion and we need to escape it.

I always say to them, “if you think that you have the keys to escaping duality then why are you here?” You cannot be here without duality, you cannot type on your computer without duality, you cannot have love without duality, yet they are always wanting to escape duality. The basic theory behind them is this: God is in a place which is the eternal void, it is the point of nothingness from which all things spring. Some of the early eastern philosophers teach this, and even though there could be a certain amount of truth to it, it also corresponds to certain things that I have taught but with a different way of looking at it than I have looked at it.

The basic idea is this, that between the wavelength, between up and down, between hot and cold, between right or left is a point that is neither up nor down, hot or cold, right or left, and this is the point from which all creation springs. So far so good, but it is what we call the eternal point and they say we must go there now. And somehow, they think that they are there; but if they are there, then why are they here?

So anyway, these guys come to the group and give us a bad time about us being stuck in the world of dualities just because we believe we are here. They say we just have to stop believing we are here and then we are going to go there, wherever “there” is.

It would be interesting to watch them practice what they preach and disappear into the void. Then we would have one less distraction to the group returning to useful teachings.

To overcome difficulties is to experience the full delight of existence. – Arthur Schopenhauer

Feb 9, 2010

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Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 40

April 9, 2025April 11, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 40
Molecular Power

JJ: When Jesus reached the end of His mission, and as we know He was betrayed by Judas, and after Judas had betrayed Him, He gathered together three disciples. Now what happened when He was betrayed by Judas is that the molecule was shattered. If you have a molecule like say water, penicillin, cocaine or whatever and you take out one atom from that then it changes the whole molecule and destroys the properties, so when Judas betrayed Jesus the properties of the molecule were destroyed and no longer existed. So because Jesus did not have the molecule of twelve, He resorted to the next step down which is the triangle of three and He took Peter, James and John with Him to the Garden of Gethsemane and in the garden, which I did not understand this at first, for He was praying and the Bible says, “He was nigh unto death.”

I wondered if all Jesus did after He left the last supper was that He went to the garden why would He be “nigh unto death”? What happened that almost caused Jesus to almost die? What happened was that when Judas shattered the molecule, they had this tremendous flow of spiritual energy going through the entire molecule, and when Judas left it, the flow of that enormous amount of spiritual energy was zapped right out Jesus. Now can you imagine having that much spiritual life energy being sucked right out instantly?

Now Jesus was the focal point so He was affected more than anyone else and they were all affected. I think that He only took the three strongest disciples because all the rest of the disciples were unconscious back at the Last Supper. Jesus took the three strongest ones with Him because all the spiritual life energy had been zapped from the other disciples and these three disciples were with Him and Jesus tells them to stay awake with Him for one hour and the Bible says “watch,” but the word watch means to stay conscious — “stay conscious with me and lend me your energy, I need your energy to fulfill this last step before I end my mission.” He says, “Stay with me for one hour, one hour is all I ask.” This is not a very hard now is it? Well He goes and He prays and the Bible says He was “nigh unto to death” and then He rises up and goes over to Peter, James and John — and what does He find?

Audience: “They are sleeping.”

JJ: They are unconscious, they were asleep and He only asked for one hour so these three occurrences probably happened within one hour. Lets us say that twenty minutes passed. These guys could not stay awake for twenty minutes! Their Master who is also their closest friend asked this of them and He comes back after twenty minutes and these guys are all unconscious. He shakes them and wakes them and says, please I asked you to stay awake for one hour can you not do this for me? He knows that if they stay awake and aware that the three can be a source of enough spiritual power to enable Him to finish the mission.

Then He goes and prays again and He says, “Father if it be thy will then remove this cup from me.”

Then He goes back and these guys are asleep and He says again, please stay awake for one hour with me, just a few more minutes, the apostles are very groggy and they say, “Ah sure Lord, zzzzzzzz.” (chuckles.) Then this time He goes back and prays and He is at the point where He cannot stay alive any longer and this is how drained He was, and then something happened. Does anyone remember what happened?

Audience: “An angel came.”

JJ: An angel came down and strengthened Him — and who was this angel?

Audience: “Michael?”

JJ: It was a member of His molecule on the spiritual plane. Jesus The Christ had a molecule on the other side and one of His molecular brothers came to Him at that moment and lent Him their molecular strength. Then after this angel came, He went back to the apostles and slaps them around a little and says, “Wake up you guys I do not need you anymore now, it is done.”

Audience: Laughing.

JJ: Then we know the rest of story after that. The Romans and Jews came and took Him away to be put on trial, tortured and nailed to the cross.

Audience: “It does not make any sense to me that He bled from every pore, I mean e-e-w, is this a metaphor?”

JJ: I do not know if He bled from every pore but you would think that if He bled from every pore that when they came to arrest Him that they would have thought that He had suffered enough, nearly bleeding to death. If I remember right the Aquarian Gospel says that a blood vessel burst on the outside of His head and blood rolled down His face. It is hard to say and I have not had a revelation on it.

Audience: “Just got through reading a very interesting book called ‘Dancing in the Shadows of the Moon,’ and this woman has a similar experience where she tears through the veils at a critical point and she sees the people of her home in the beyond and that gave her the strength to move on. And then she was shown that one of her home members had torn through the veil and gave her the energy to continue and this is similar to what happened to Jesus.”

JJ: What is interesting about this is that before Judas joined the group they were all just ordinary men, living ordinary lives, and when their Master was gone they went back to their lives, fishing and then of course we know the story of the resurrection and after the resurrection and He appeared to apostles and they were energized again and then they decided to complete the molecule. Then they met on what is known today as the day of Pentecost and they met in an upper room and added a twelfth member whose name was Matthias. And the minute they added him to the group the Bible says “flames of fire appeared over the heads of all of the disciples at one time. And then there was a rushing of a great wind.”

Now at this time they were having a large gathering in Jerusalem and people of 16 different nations were there in attendance and they all spoke different languages. They heard this tremendously loud noise over by where the apostles were, and they were curious about this and so thousands of people came to see what this incredible loud noise was. Peter came out to meet them and when Peter spoke to these thousands of people from 16 different nations, speaking 16 different languages, they all heard Peter speaking their language within their own mind. This is was the first great miracle of the newly completed great molecule where Matthias was added in to complete the number so the spiritual flow to where it would again function. Now what is interesting is that when they met all the disciples they could find who had still believed in Jesus was a certain number and does anybody know what that number was?

Audience: “120.”

JJ: One hundred and twenty. After all the great works He did, all the great miracles even like raising Lazarus from the dead, walking on water, feeding thousands of people, changing water into wine and resurrecting from the dead only one hundred and twenty people followed Him. That is pretty amazing when you think of it isn’t it? It is amazing we got anybody here with the amount of miracles I have done for you guys!

Audience: Laughing.

JJ: So I guess it is an accomplishment for anyone who works in the light to get anybody to listen. With all the great works Jesus did there were only 120 people who would follow Him and with Peter speaking to thousands of these people who heard him in their own minds in their own language guess how many were converted in one day?

Three thousand.

In one day three thousand joined the group. And this is kind of sad when you think of it. There the Master is and He teaches and after actually seeing Him perform great miracles almost everybody rejects Him; only 120 followers. This is truly sad when you think about it. Then they do a small miracle and three thousand follow in one day and the Master is not even there. He is there in spirit but not there physically.

This is very interesting to contemplate and I often think, would we be that way and if He was here. Would He have a hard time getting more than 120 people to listen to Him again? But maybe if He has a disciple do something for Him then maybe they would listen even more because to see the light at a distance is sometimes more acceptable than seeing the light head on. For some when they see the light head on it is just a little bit too bright for them. So when the Christ was right here among them maybe it was just a little bit too much for them. He was just too fantastic of a person for most so they had to let a more mediocre person like Peter to go out and have all these people hear him in their own language and you have to admit that was a very impressive miracle though and say some Frenchman was out here giving a class and you could hear him in your mind in your own language that would be very impressive, and if you experienced such an event it would be pretty amazing because it is right down at your level.

Audience: “The Mormon Church teaches that Jesus suffered more in the Garden than He did on the cross.”

JJ: Yes He did suffer more in the Garden than He did on the cross. There were two people suffering in the Garden — Jesus who suffered physically and emotionally, and The Christ who suffered differently with His encounter with “The Dweller on the Threshold” for the entire planet. This is another subject that we could spend countless hours on, and that will be discussed at another time.

So after [the Apostle] Matthias was added that was the first great miracle and then there was miracle after miracle. We do not have much of a description of what happened but shortly thereafter Peter was walking along and this guy who was crippled asked for a donation from Peter and Peter replied, “Silver and gold I have none but what I have I give and I command in the name of Christ for you get up and walk.” It says he leapt up and walked, and I believe he had not walked since birth.

It says that Peter’s power was so great that they would line people up in the streets and as his shadow passed over them they were healed.

A great story is when the authorities arrested Peter and put him jail. They chained his hands and his feet and put him in this tiny cell and guarded him with 16 guards which is very interesting and it shows that they knew there was something unusual about this man. Why would they chain Peter’s hands and feet and guard him with 16 guards, wouldn’t one guard be enough? There the poor guy is and they put him in the cell and he does not need any chains to begin with because he is in a cell but they chain his hands and feet and then they have 16 guards looking at the guy! Then the 16 guards fall asleep and Peter stands up and the chains on his hands and feet drop off and he walks through the wall and goes to the nearest congregation that is meeting. Can you imagine Peter walks in saying, “Here I am, I just got out of jail”?

So that was very impressive, and from that point on they had many mighty miracles occur. Now it is amazing when you think of the possibility that if a molecule were created in this age that we could do miraculous works like that. This is the potential that awaits us and that potential relies on one thing, and that is aligning ourselves with purpose. Then when we are aligned to create human molecules and have those human molecules to establish soul contact to the point where the spiritual flow can flow through them and this is the thing that is important.

For a molecule to work, any group of twelve units has to have enough contact with the soul so that the spiritual flow can flow through them and the personality cannot have the power to take away from that soul contact. In other words, let’s say you were trying to establish a molecule and somebody says something that just rubs you the wrong way, the natural thing to think is that this person is certainly not in the soul and how can I accept him in the soul when he is obviously in the personality. Well, he is judging this guy. The truth is what we should do is overlook what he said and we can deal with what he said on a mental level, but emotionally be at peace and keep your mind focused on the soul. It is funny about our group on the Internet I thought that probably one good thing about working with a group on the Internet is that there would not be as much friction as working with a group in person.

Audience: Laughing.

JJ: Because you are at a distance from the person, you can think before you type your thoughts. When in person often times we say things without thinking and speak on impulse and then think, whoops I wish I would not have said that but on the Internet if you type the wrong thing on there you can read it and say, that sounds bad and I will erase it. Artie will often read my words and say, “you had better not say that, you will get some people upset.”

Audience: Laughing.

JJ: So then I erase it. So I had this idea that if I started a group on the Internet that it would be a lot less friction and boy was I wrong! If someone says something a little bit obnoxious then everybody is all over them arguing back and saying that we need to throw him out of group or whatever. So wherever there is interplay there is friction that comes up and this will be the major hurdle to overcome in us creating molecules. And this is why John the Baptist was called the greatest prophet because he devoted his entire life and found twelve units of people that could create the molecule. They were not perfect but they were close enough so that the spiritual energy did flow through this little group to establish this molecule, and after they were killed they were never re-established. The Catholic Church created a Pope and Cardinals and all these positions of authority to replace them. The twelve apostles were not replaced in that era so when they died the great spiritual power went with them along with all the great miracles. There were many people who through their faith and spiritual contact produced miraculous events but nothing like happened when the Twelve Apostles displayed the molecular order. I believe the molecule did surface again for a while in the days of Camelot which I believe was the true occurrence and if you notice you had the Twelve Knights of the Round Table. And, when they met they met with their female companions and you had twenty four around the round table, twelve knights and twelve females.

Excalibur represents the power of the molecule. In the story when Excalibur was returned to the Lady of the Lake the sword waved three times, one time for the days of Christ, one time for the days of Camelot, and one time for a future time when the power of the sword would be delivered again. In other words, the power of the molecule will manifest again in our age and we can continue to look forward to us all being a part of it.

“The highest proof of virtue is to possess boundless power without abusing it.” – Lord Macaulay

Feb 6, 2010

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Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 39

April 8, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005 — Sun Valley, Part 39
The Many Logoi

JJ: Many of the planets that we see about us that we think do not have life, do have life on them, but the life is in the higher spheres. Not too many of them have the conditions necessary to have physical life on the surface of the planet. Earth is one of the few that does. The Ancient of Days came here with, I believe it was 102 disciples, and now he just keeps his molecule of seven, though many other lives assist. Seven is also a molecular number. It’s the number of the molecule of the Father who is called the Ancient of Days, we call God, also known by Sanat Kumara, as well as many different names in many different religions.

Audience: “Was he the first Adam here on this Earth?”

JJ: Right. He was the very first one to incarnate as a self-conscious human being so he was the first Adam. But keep in mind there have been many Adams. The Adam talked about in the Bible is the most recent Adam. Each Adam is like a stimulus for the creation of a higher consciousness and a higher evolved, more capable human being.

Audience: “A new generation.”

JJ: Right. The Adam of the Bible was put here after a great destruction occurred. Noah, in a way, was like another Adam because there was a great destruction. After the destruction of Atlantis or whatever this flood was, there were a handful of people who survived to create the new world. Hopefully we don’t have to go through that again and learn our lessons and learn to live with each other.

So, there is a connecting link. Sanat Kumara is linked with the Solar Logos. He is called a disciple of the Solar Logos. The Solar Logos is the entity that is in charge of the whole solar system. He is such a high entity that he can tune in on anything that is happening in the entire solar system. Sanat Kumara can tune in on anything that is happening on the entire planet. If he wanted to tune in and see through your eyes he has the capacity to do that. He’s often called the Planetary Logos but the Planetary Logos is more than him. He’s like the permanent atom within the Planetary Logos. The Planetary Logos is the spiritual life of the entire planet itself but when a master who is very highly evolved, such as Sanat Kumara, comes, he can then act as an agent for the entire planetary life. Each planet will have an individual entity that represents the Planetary Logos and he is like the representative of the Logos. Sanat Kumara came here 23 million years ago. He first incarnated as a self-conscious human being 18 million years ago. Before he came here there was still a Planetary Logos but everything had to evolve to a certain degree before a self-conscious entity could come and represent the Planetary Logos to the lives that are evolving here. Sanat Kumara is that representative spoken of in the Bible as the Ancient of Days.

So we have that connecting link and when that molecular link is established we have energy flowing from the highest self-conscious lives in the universe down to us. How high up that self-conscious life goes we’re not told. It’s not written anywhere. We have the Planetary Logos, we have the Solar Logos, which presides over the entire Solar System. Then there is one higher than this who is referred to as “The One About Whom Naught Can Be Said.” He’s of such a high consciousness that not even the Masters can comprehend his high state. So even the Masters cannot go above him in any type of contact.

Now “The One About Whom Naught Can Be Said” presides over seven solar systems. So, within his consciousness he can tune into any life within these seven solar systems but the lives they tune into most are those lives directly under them. So “The One About Whom Naught Can Be Said” would mainly work with the Logoi of the Star Systems. Our Solar Logos would mainly work with the Planetary Logoi of Earth, Saturn, Venus and all the planets. Our Logos mainly works with the Planetary Spirit and Christ and his hierarchy. Then Christ and his group of Masters mainly work with humanity, trying to get us straightened out.

Audience: “So, where are we going from here?”

JJ: The link will be established when we have a good potential of creating a molecule. Like Jesus had the potential of creating it thanks to John the Baptist. He called John the Baptist the greatest prophet who had ever lived. When I first read that I thought, “It doesn’t really say much about John the Baptist. He preached a little while and that’s all we know about him. Was he greater than Moses? What did he do that was so great?”

Then when I understood the molecular principle, I understood why Jesus called him the greatest. He called him the greatest because he helped gather twelve people together in the soul who were capable of manifesting a molecule. That was the greatest work any prophet had ever done. And he had such control over his ego that he turned them over to Jesus. How many people would be willing to do that? Not very many. When people get a little glory to themselves, what do they want to do? Most would say, “Wow, Jesus, you’re not taking my disciples away! Go get your own disciples.”

In the Bible when Jesus called the twelve disciples he just walked up to them. “Peter, you follow me. John, follow call me.” They dropped everything. They dropped their nets and followed him. Does that make any sense? There he was, “I just guess I’ll find me twelve disciples,” so he walks along the river bank. Peter, James. Come on.

That never made a lot of sense to me. Not until I realized that John the Baptist spent his entire life teaching and preparing these people for the molecular order. Because John had enough vision of it and then when he realized that Jesus was the Christ and his disciples were going to him, he said these great words, “He must increase. I must decrease.” How many of us would have the fortitude to be able to do that if that was what the spirit told us to do? It would be really tough.

Poor ole John, not only did he decrease but the next thing that happened was he got thrown into prison and pretty much sentenced to death. It just kept going downhill. He did this wonderful work and what reward does he get? He gets thrown in prison. Poor John, when he’s in prison, and you can’t really blame the guy, he probably thought, “Jesus is increasing. I’m decreasing. Not only am I decreasing but I’m in prison and will probably wind up dead. Is everything the way I thought it was? Is Jesus really the Christ?”

So he calls several of his disciples who were visiting him in prison and said, “Will you go ask my cousin Jesus if he is really the Messiah we’re looking for? Is this really all worth it?” So the disciples of John went to Jesus and they say, “John wants us to ask you a question. Are you really the Messiah? Are you the one who we are to look for or should we look for another?”

Jesus says, “Stay with me for three days then go tell John what you saw.” So, they stayed with Jesus for three days then went back to John. John asked, “What did Jesus say when you asked him the question?” They replied that Jesus said, “Stay with me for three days then go tell John what you saw.” John asks, “What did you see?” They said, “We saw the blind obtain vision, we saw the lame walk and we saw many mighty miracles.” John said, “I guess he is the Messiah then.” So, John was satisfied and shortly thereafter he had his head cut off.

Jesus brought down this connecting link and he gave it to his disciples and then he sent his disciples off. When they came back he asked what happened. They said, “We did many mighty miracles just like you did.” But they did encounter one problem. They came across this guy who was foaming at the mouth and having epileptic type fits but they couldn’t heal him. They brought him to Jesus and Jesus cast out the dark forces from this man.

The apostles asked, why couldn’t they heal him?

First of all, Jesus chewed them out for being of little faith and secondly, he told them that his kind cometh not out but by fasting and prayer. So even though the disciples had the spiritual energy flowing through them they still had certain limitations.

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Feb 2, 2010

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Gathering 2005, Sun Valley, Part 38

April 7, 2025April 7, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Gathering 2005, Sun Valley, Part 38
Overshadowings and Walk-Ins

Wayne: “On the cross where Jesus, in His last desperation said, ‘Father, why hast thou forsaken me?’ Does that mean that the Christ entity was not on the cross with Him?”

JJ: Right. On the cross, the entity had completed what he had to do so he left and Jesus was there alone on the cross.

Audience: “In the Garden?”

JJ: No, The Master was still there with him in the Garden.

Audience: “Then why did he need angels?”

JJ: Because he was weak. It doesn’t matter if the Christ was in him or not, we all have limitations. Every situation we face has limitations. We’ll cover that later

Audience: “When he went into the desert for forty days then the Dark Brother came, is it possible that was necessary so that he could balance out the energies between the Father energy and the Dark Brother?”

JJ: Every encounter we have with resisting forces is a necessary step. We can’t make solid progress until all the flaws are taken care of so those temptations pretty much had to happen. It’s interesting as it ends it says, ‘Satan left him for a time.’ Meaning He probably had other encounters that may not be recorded in the Bible. Some people think maybe it was on the cross when He was complaining that the Father had forsaken Him or maybe it was in the Garden where He was asking for the cup to be removed. It says He left him for a time, so, apparently He had other encounters and probably a lot of them we don’t even know about.

Audience: “Is there such a thing as multiple overshadowings?”

JJ: It depends on the type and intensity. The oneness principle comes from a type of overshadowing. Your question will be more fully answered as we move along. In Jesus’ case there were two entities in one body. There is the Master Jesus who is the reincarnation of Joshua. Then there was the Christ who was Melchizedek from the Bible. It’s also said he was Krishna from ancient times.

Audience: “When the disciples were with him they personally went out and healed, but he said to them when he left that he was going to send the Holy Spirit to be with them and it would be with them and it would teach them and be their comforter and it would lead them and guide them in all things. Now, I’m thinking you said that Peter also had the Christ in him. What about the rest of them? Was it only a temporary thing? I’m having a hard time understanding if an overshadowing is for just a period of time like they overshadowed Mary.”

JJ: An overshadowing is just for a period of time. It’s like if you are a teacher and you want to help a student and you visit him on a personal level for a period of time to give him a little boost. That kind of corresponds to an overshadowing. It’s a temporary thing.

Audience: “Is it possible though that the Holy Spirit can be with you at all times and you know it?”

JJ: The Holy Spirit is a different entity and is more of a universal entity that overshadows all of us. It’s up to us to touch that Holy Spirit, to break through the veils and commune with it.

Audience: “When you’re talking about the Christ Spirit….”

JJ: The Christ Spirit and the Holy Spirit are two aspects of the one God. From the viewpoint of time and space they are two but in the realm of pure spirit they are one.

Audience: “But when Jesus was baptized the dove was the sign of the Holy Spirit.”

JJ: It was a sign of the Son of God. It doesn’t say it was the Holy Spirit. The dove was the sign of the Spirit of God, it says it entered into Jesus.

Audience: “Is what you’re saying about Jesus, is it the same as a walk-in?”

JJ: It’s different than a walk-in. A walk-in is where a fairly high evolved being that doesn’t have to be a Master will come and find somebody on the Earth who is discouraged with his life and he’ll make a deal with him to switch positions. So, he may come to Ron here and Ron is discouraged and he says, “Well, Ron, since you’re not enjoying your life anyway, how about if we trade? You can create some good karma for yourself because this trade is going to produce some good works upon the Earth that I’m going to do.”

So, he makes the trade and they’re both happy with the deal and the guy goes off into the next world in a good state of mind and the disciple comes in and has the opportunity to be fully mature without having to be born as a baby and waste all those years growing up. He spends time doing his work. Sometimes a walk-in will do great work. Other times he’ll forget and not do much because he takes the memory of the person whose body he occupies.

Divine possession is much different. It’s with a Master, and the Master knows who he is and doesn’t lose any of his memory. From an overshadowing he will give impressions to the disciple. If it’s a divine possession they’ll actually work together in the same body and cooperate together. But the Master has his full memory and knows who he is and what his powers are and why he came. The person who is the walk-in will forget who he was just like when we’re born. I believe Abraham Lincoln was one of the more famous walk-ins. It wasn’t a Master but it was a fairly high disciple that came.

Before the walk-in experience Abraham Lincoln never did anything successful. He was kind of bummed out about his life and had a nagging wife that was bugging the dickens out of him. Matter of fact he was always taking off and working away from home to get away from her. That was one of the things that opened the door to him becoming President because he made so many friends all over Illinois because he was always on his horse out there doing work on the circuit.

So the divine possession produced a link between heaven and earth. The difference between twelve people or twenty-four people or a molecular number of people appearing on the earth and a regular organization and what Jesus put together is that there was a link between heaven and earth with the apostles. That link produces spiritual flow. You may ask, ‘Where does the link end?” Well, the link doesn’t end with Christ. Christ, on the other side, has a molecular order that is generated with the Masters. These Masters are connected with a molecular order to Shamballa, with the Ancient of Days [See Daniel 7.]. That molecule is a molecule of seven. There are seven great avatars that came here from other systems.

Originally Sanat Kumara [Ancient of Days] came here from the higher spheres of Venus. He didn’t come here from the physical Venus but he came from the higher sphere of Venus. Each planet has a number of different spheres. We have an astral Earth which is almost a complete duplicate of this Earth. Then we have an Earth on the mental level, so to speak.

In response to the post referenced in the above title made previously by JJ Dewey, I was asked:

“So when one comes back to the physical Earth from the Mental or Astral Earth, does that mean that he/she has come back from the future, in a sense?”

JJ: No. Time moves forward in all the worlds of form. The only difference is that times is not measured in the higher worlds because it doesn’t have the meaning there that it does here. A hundred years may pass here and in the higher mental you may not have measured it for it seems you have all the time in the universe.

Here is a poem I wrote about time way back in 1967:

Time Was Made For Man

Time was made for man,
Not found among the Gods;
Created for those on earth
Whose perils they do trod.
Why do the Gods use it not,
Is life not made from it?
Yes, the life of man is wrought,
In time he digs his pit.

Time, the silver lining of space,
The stars and earths give heed
No more than the human race
With every word and deed.
Man sees his life and then divides
By two and two and two
Years and days and days and years
He lives them through and through.

But the Gods who never die
And see things eye to eye,
In some way we don’t understand
Have nothing to divide;
For who with their peace of mind
Would ever want an end?
Time cannot fly in their blue sky,
What measure can they intend?

But what peace has man to hold
And say abide with me?
He only looks to joy foretold in eternity.
Until that time, he counts and counts
The minutes and the days.
Sorrow and imperfection mount
And he counts the ways.

But at times, when man stands still,
And seeks his self within;
He finds a spirit and a will,
And pleads: “Don’t leave again!”
A taste of heaven you’ve given me
Time makes it flee away;
Now I see as the Gods do see,
There’s no time in eternity.

Question: “We, as physical humans, live slightly in the past, so if someone came back to this realm from a higher realm, then are they not really coming back from our/the future?”

JJ: Not usually.

Question: “Are these planes within us, rather than ‘out there’ in the physical universe?”

JJ: The planes are omnipresent. They exist on Mars as well as in you.

I think and think for months, for years. Ninety-nine times the conclusion is false. The hundredth time I am right. – Albert Einstein

Jan 30, 2010

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