Two in One

Two in One

I was asked for more clarification on the overshadowing.

Some questioning the overshadowing have a Mormon background so here is an LDS scripture for them:

“And he received all power, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for HE DWELT IN HIM.” D&C 93:17

The Christ is called both the Father and the Son in the scriptures. He was called the Son because he dwelt in the flesh, but was called the Father because he was polarized as the sending entity in relation to Jesus. The Father here spoken of who “dwelt” in Jesus was the Christ. Jesus has all power in heaven and earth because of his link to the Christ. We also have this same promise.

Neither Jesus, the Man, or Christ the Master of Masters created the worlds, but it was the Word (Logos) which is the aspect of the universal Christ that created all things. Both Jesus and the Christ were one with this aspect or “position” as Joseph Smith called it.

There is no argument about Jesus Being the Messiah (with the help of his Father of course).

I would suggest seekers read my numerous postings on this proving the doctrine from the scriptures.

I really had my doubts when I first learned of the overshadowing principle but when I opened my mind I received powerful undeniable confirmation on the matter.

The entity who incarnated as Jesus was Joshua from the time of Moses. His mission was to nurture a near perfect vehicle of expression that was to be used by the Christ who was Melchizedek in a past age. By vehicle I mean the combination of body-emotions and mind. He was to learn all that was possible in that age in order to provide the best possible means of expression for the mission.

At the baptism John saw the Spirit of the Christ descend and enter into Jesus. This spirit that entered into him was the “Son of God” without father or mother here on the earth.

This was much different from a walk in. It was the highest order of overshadowing and would more technically be called “divine possession.”

Mormons are taught that evil entities are not original, but copy and alter the things of God. Even so it is with possession. The difference is that evil possesses by force, but the good possesses with cooperation and free will.

When Christ entered into the body, Jesus did not walk out, but the two were in one body at one time. This was such an overwhelming experience that Jesus departed into the wilderness to fast for 40 days in order to commune with his Master and gain an understanding of how the partnership was supposed to work.

After the 40 days Jesus attuned himself to his Master’s vibration and the two minds functioned almost as one mind. It was a little like two entities using one mind – two keyboards – one computer, except the communion was through the science of impression rather than words.

This is why Jesus insisted over and over that he was not the originator of the greatest of the works and words such as in the following quote:

“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: But THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOTH THE WORKS.” John 14:10

This is why Jesus said he represented the testimony of “two men.”

“Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: FOR I AM NOT ALONE, BUT I AND THE FATHER THAT SENT ME.. It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that beareth witness of myself, AND the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” John 8:14-18

On the cross the Christ left the body leaving Jesus alone. This is why he made the exclamation of the Father forsaking him.

I have written quite a bit on this subject. If you can’t find it let me know and I could post it again.

This is such a different doctrine than anything learned in any standard Christian belief that it takes strong spiritual sensitivity to consider it.

The Holy Spirit

Good run down of the Holy Ghost from the Mormon viewpoint Brian.

Here are a few words I said earlier about the Holy Ghost:

“Here on earth we have individualized consciousness and we seem to be separate souls, but in the world of pure soul there is only one oversoul for all humanity and you and I are parts of that whole..

“This oversoul is an extension of the oversoul for the whole planet and the soul of the planet is an extension of the oversoul of the whole solar system and so on up the line. The Holy Spirit is a great Cosmic entity that works through the Oversoul. In addition to this there are representatives of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost within the Brotherhood. The Christ, of course, represents the Son for this planet, even though from another way of looking at it he is a Father (or sender) to us.”

The Holy Ghost is also called the Holy Spirit and in some writings the Holy Breath.

Communion with the Spirit is called different things in different circles. Some call it the “Still Small Voice” and others call it the God within. In my teachings I have most commonly called it soul contact, a phrase borrowed from Alice A. Bailey writings and has wider implications than contact with the Holy Spirit.

The first contact is almost imperceptible, and that is why it is called the “Still Small Voice.” This is intuitive contact. Then after the person follows the communication received, the contact becomes more sure and stronger. Then comes the time the person receives the baptism of fire which is a sure witness of direction and the purpose of God. This is communion sent through the Monad.

The raising of the Kundalini has to do with raising the natural fires from the lowest to the highest centers and is a different matter. This clears the channels for higher communication. All seekers regardless of their evolution can receive communion to some degree with the Spirit. Thus in the justice of God truth is always available to all who earnestly seek.

April 21, 2000

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Overshadowing and More

Overshadowing and More

I was asked about the Shroud of Turin.

As far as this goes, I have not put a lot of energy in contemplating it and do not have an answer one way or another. If I had to guess I would say that science itself has a mission with regard to it and will eventually prove the truth of the matter.

If it is the true shroud of Jesus then the full story may be revealed when science has done all it can do. But first the Vatican has to be more cooperative with additional testing.

Someone asked about the writings of Lobsang Rampa. I’m not sure if all his personal experiences he relates are true, but there are a lot of teachings in his books that are very stimulating. It’s not a bad idea to read several of his books before you advance to Alice A. Bailey.

I learned to see auras by using his teachings so I at least proved to myself that he knew what he was talking about in that area.

His teachings of the oversoul are not quite accurate. The true oversoul for humans is the higher life that permeates the whole human kingdom as a whole. In addition to this there is the oversoul of the whole planet and the Ancient of Days is the representative of this. Through the use of this oversoul he can be omnipresent on this planet and commune with his own Father/Teacher who is the Solar Logos.

The Ancient of Days is called the Great Watcher because he spends a high percentage of his time “watching,” from his secret place, the progress of the planet and all the lives on it as a whole. Through the principle of omnipresence (as far as this earth goes) he focuses on the beginning and the end and the power of his thought is picked up by the billions of lives, (sometimes ever so subtlety). Thus through the magnetic power of his thought and the focus of attention all things gravitate toward the end product of the decisions he has made. All that happens between the beginning and the end not even he can predict, nor does he desire to. His focus is always with the end in mind and all lives through free will eventually pick up the signals and fall in line.

When Christ comes again the Ancient one will focus attention on him and also humanity as a whole much more than he has in the past. Thus from a higher point of view the Ancient of Days will come as spoken by Daniel. Some may also have visions of him. He has no plans to incarnate on the earth until the final or seventh root race evolves on the earth. He will most likely initiate the final race of androgynous humans that will walk the earth as Gods compared to current humanity. Thus he incarnated as the first Adam and will eventually come back as the Last Adam.

Some teach that we split into several entities, or become fragmented. Such is not the case. We were all created through the process of “reflection” or as the Bible says made in the image of God. As entities we can join with others and create an oversoul for a group, or a group life, but it is not necessary for us to concentrate on finding pieces of ourselves so we can become whole while in physical incarnation. The fullness of the Godhead is within us and we can manifest all the powers of godliness by cultivating the Spirit of God within us. As far as our relationship with our Higher Self goes, we only represent a fraction of its total consciousness when incarnated in the physical realm.

The principle of walk-ins is a true principle and is different from an overshadowing. A walk in usually happens when an advanced soul sees an opportunity to accomplish a great or good work. He then finds a person of compatible vibration who is discouraged with his life and makes a deal to exchange places. The frustrated person gets some lifting of karma through his cooperating and moves on to the Spirit World. Then the disciple completely takes over the body. This has happened many times to change the course of history. Abraham Lincoln was one famous example.

With an overshadowing you have two entities in one body. The original entity still has the power of decision over the body, but he is so committed to his Master who is with him that he follows all instructions that are passed on to him. If he does not, or the mission is not successful for some other reason the Master will leave and do other work.

A true overshadowing is usually testified to by a second witness. For instance, John was the witness to the overshadowing of Jesus for he saw the Spirit descend and “remain” in him and thereafter testified to his disciples about the coming of Christ.

A reader asks about this scripture”

“And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?” Luke 2:49

So what Father was this he was speaking of when he was but a boy not having had the ordinances?

JJ: The Father/Son; Teacher/Student relationship is the same. When Jesus was speaking of his Father at age twelve this was the disciple Jesus speaking of the Christ who was to come. Even though he was not completely overshadowed until about 30 years of age the young Jesus had a connecting link with the Christ and received much communion from him before the overshadowing. Before the overshadowing the Christ was also a “Watcher” and focused a lot of attention on Jesus.

A reader questions the idea that a separate entity descend on Jesus at his baptism, believing the orthodox version that it was merely he Holy Spirit.

Concerning John it is written:

“For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.” Luke 1:15

If John was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb then surely Jesus was too. The Holy Spirit is a universal presence and is available to all who seek it within and was already with Jesus before the baptism.

Let me repeat my comment on the overshadowing of Jesus:

As we examine the scriptures we see that the meaning is far different than imagined for John gives us a leading clue: “This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. AND I KNEW HIM NOT: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I coming baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. and I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, UPON WHOM THOU SHALT SEE THE SPIRIT DESCENDING AND REMAINING ON HIM, THE SAME IS HE WHICH BAPTIZETH WITH ‘THE HOLY GHOST. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.” John 1:30-34.

John saw “the Spirit” descend and remain with Jesus. Now since the Holy Spirit is universal and Jesus was already in communion with it, as was his cousin John, then what was the Spirit that came down and “remained” with him?

Jesus said quite clearly over and over that it was not him that was doing the great works, but the “Father” that dwelt within him. This Father was the Spirit of Christ that John witnessed descend and remain in Jesus.

Jesus even said point blank that there were “two men” who bore witness of his mission – he and his Father within him.

The Christ, who was Melchizedek in a past life, was the overshadowing entity. There was a link with the Ancient of Days, but not an overshadowing.

A reader expressed concern that members were placing me on a pedestal for adulation and that I was using deceptive tactics. Some complain that I charge for my physical books.

I am not aware of manipulative of deceptive tactics. Are you just picking these words from the ethers or are you just looking for a fight? I do not believe anyone who has been on the group for a while thinks that way of me, not even my skeptics.

Yes, I do have a book for sale, but it is a stretch to call that a deceptive thing to do. Why don’t you go pick on Steven King?

Must I apologize because I cannot always afford to give the physical book away for free? I have however given away thousands of the first book away free of charge.

I do not think anyone in the group has adulation for me. I do believe some appreciate me and I appreciate them in return.

A reader comments:

“J.J.’s model is not one that can be duplicated except by one person at any given time, contradicting the teaching that all of us can overcome and do as Jesus did.”

Not so. All of us have the same promise. Jesus said:

“Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if ANY MAN (or woman) hear my voice, and open the door, I WILL COME IN TO HIM, and will sup with him, and he with me.” Rev 3:20

There are probably no single scripture I can give doubters to prove the overshadowing principle, but there is a way to find the truth of all things and it is found in the Book of Mormon that you hold so dearly.

“And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

“And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.” Moroni 10:4-5

One important key here is to “ask with a sincere heart, with real intent.” I would also add to ask as a little child. Forget everything you know and ask as a “little child” that knows nothing, but just wants the answer.

I teach the overshadowing not as some theory or something I believe because of a book I have read (and yes others have written about this), but I teach it because the principle has been demonstrated to me with great power to give me a witness so I can teach with knowledge and surety having no doubts about it. You can receive a sure witness also if you will but ask God in the name of Christ with an open mind really wanting to know.


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Overshadowing and the Molecule



Overshadowing and the Molecule

A reader wants me to elaborate on overshadowing in connection to the Molecular Order.

There are two main types of overshadowing. The first is where the Master communes with a disciple or group via the soul and remains mostly in his own body or vehicle of manifestation. When this happens the disciple or group realizes that a spiritual presence is with them and they “enter in to the joy of the Lord,” so to speak.

In the second, as happened with Jesus, the actual presence and consciousness of the Master enters into the body of the disciple. This is also called a “divine possession,” and is done with the full cooperation and free will of the disciple. In this process the Master projects his presence to one particular body. This type of presence of the Master of Masters is such an intense experience that it would be too much of a good thing for most and could cause insanity or death for one who is not ready.

One further step can be taken in this type of overshadowing and in this the disciple can step aside for periods of time so the Master can be the decision maker for the body.

This second type of overshadowing is what is planned for the Molecule and will probably happen before the molecule is actually linked up.

When the Molecule is linked up a connection is made by the presence of the Christ who is already linked and the divine energy of greater livingness flows into all the members. This spiritual experience is different from an overshadowing. There is an overshadowing presence created, but this presence is a new life form that is created by the blending of 24 smaller lives linked through a spiritual umbilical cord channeled by the Christ. In addition to this greater overshadowing greater lives such as the Masters will have a freer communion with molecular disciples similar to the communion in the first type of overshadowing.

So you can see that the mere gathering of 24 does not create a working molecule. It has to be planned and executed with the cooperation of the Spiritual Hierarchy. In addition, the group must be capable of being one through soul contact so the linkage can be completed and maintained.

Until or unless Christ decides to manifest in a body of his own He will be the only linking presence necessary for the Molecular order no matter how large it becomes. You only need one connecting link to establish an unlimited number of molecules. In terms of awareness and communion His presence is extended through all the molecules and He is able to use the various members for His eyes and ears as well as influence through soul contact according to the sensitivity of the Molecular members.

There may also be other overshadowings for other purposes. There are probably several going on right now on the earth and the friends and family of the overshadowed disciple may be oblivious to what is going on.

Advanced disciples and even some Masters who have forgotten who they are will be attracted to the Molecular Order when they learn about it and sense it’s spiritual power. After the Molecular Order gets firmly established, even it’s strongest enemies will have to admit it has attracted some very intelligent and talented people.


“Are they (Molecules) to take command of the population and force their will upon them, (with love) and remove freewill from the planet?”

I would hope that you know me well enough to know that I would have nothing to do with anything that would diminish free will even if an angel of light appeared and delivered such a message to me.

All of the works of light operate in the light and work to enhance free will. If we see that we have a message that we think is helpful to mankind then we would not force such a message even if we could. We merely present it and wait for those who are ready to respond.

The only time the Brothers of Light use force is to meet force used against them. For instance, the Brotherhood supported the Allies use of force against Hitler during World War II.

I was asked to elaborate on the purpose of the Molecule.

What’s the purpose of the Internet?

When it was created and enhanced, those working on it knew it was going to be extremely useful, but had no idea of the tremendous effect on society.

Now they could have waited until after they died to gain power to communicate with as much ease as we do on the net, but why? Users are not waiting to die to use this great service and appreciate those who initiated it.

The same applies to any enhancement of human ability. When the ring-pass-not is increased the human consciousness grows into it and uses the increase of power in ways never dreamed of in the past.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have power to heal as did Peter whose power was so great that the sick were placed in the way of his passing shadow and were healed?

Because the Molecular Order will be connected with the forces of light the powers available will only work for those who seek to serve and to help. The Molecular link will be automatically severed as soon as anyone involved wishes to use higher powers for self or for the control of others.

On the other hand, the Dark Brothers hope to manifest their own version of the molecule. They can develop powers to produce some magical results that will impress those with no soul contact, but the main difference will be in service. Their magic is to impress and to enslave. That of the forces of Light is to empower and to serve.

I was asked to comment atoms and how they combine. Will it be like the atoms of chemistry?

There is an important point to remember here. Many are somewhat deceived by the old axiom “as above so below and as below so above.”

That which is below will indicate that which is above but the correspondences are not exact. I will be writing more on this at a future time as there is an interesting key involved.

Because the correspondences are not exact we can’t just look at that which is below and copy it. Instead we must examine that which is below and pass it by the soul and by the use of intuitive understanding one can discern how the building will proceed in the higher level.

At first we will work on very simple molecules compared to what will be around a million years hence, something we cannot imagine in the present.

Humans in different states of evolution with differing centers in operation correspond to light and heavy atoms. In the beginning we will not be concerned with the atomic weight of various members, (outside of general soul contact) but I am sure that such a measurement will come into play for certain purposes as we progress.

The establishment of the Molecular Order on the earth will produce the largest leap in evolution and intelligence since man first appeared eighteen million years ago.

Disturbance in the Force

Several of you are reporting having physical problems. I have felt a negative energy trying to distract the group. When such energy comes we must learn to let it pass through us as the illusion it is. Do not give it any attention other than to register its existence so you can focus your mind to properly ignore it.

As we progress we will see the wisdom of having the Song of the 144,000 to enhance protection in this age. The main purpose of the Song is to protect from negative psychic energies that will be sent to discourage the workers in the Light. The second major purpose will be to neutralize the authority of the Beast so it will not be able to prevent the workers of light from working on the physical plane.

A third purpose of the Song is to gather the Lights. Saying the Song continually, without altering the words, is a sign that he is capable of blending with the molecular energies

A trickle down benefit will be the individual enhancement of greater personal peace as well as physical vitality. The Song is not a cure-all for personal problems we may have but it will indeed help.

It also does not mean that it will not be a great struggle against great obstacles to manifest the Kingdom of God. It will indeed take a Herculean effort, but the difference in this age is that it is in the plan that the work will be accomplished and not destroyed. The Song is to help insure that the negative forces are sufficiently neutralized to create success.

Fortunately, the personal benefit is great enough to motivate people of goodwill to say it thus creating a group blending and a benefit for the work in totality.

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The Overshadowing of Jesus Part II

April 16, 1999

The Overshadowing of Jesus Part II

Several voiced questions about how an overshadowing would be different from the Christ consciousness and how one would attain such a thing.

The Christ principle resides within all of us, but the overshadowing we are talking about is about the cooperation of an individual entity which is an entirely different thing.

The three principles of the Godhead are reflected in fullness with each one of us. The Christ, as an aspect or principle, lies mostly undiscovered within each of us and this is a totally distinct concept apart from the Christ who taught in Jerusalem 2000 years ago.

Each one of these three aspects of the godhead has a representative on the earth who has manifested that principle to a degree of relative perfection. The entity who descended upon Jesus at His baptism and coexisted in his body is that representative for this little planet. This entity has been various great teachers in the earth’s history including the Hindu Lord Krishna and Melchizedek from the days of Abraham.

When we obtain the fullness of the Christ principle within ourselves we will have power over our form to the extent that if we are killed and our body torn apart, we can “resurrect” it and reappear in the flesh on the physical plane. Since none of us have that power yet, the only way to manifest the Christ principle in fullness among the sons and daughters of men is through the overshadowing of an individual entity who has progressed out of the kindergarten we are in.

An overshadowing is not an event we can affirm or decree because the decision to act is made by the overshadowing entity who is, in this case, the one we call the Christ. It is totally up to Him as to who He decides to directly work with.

All we can do as individuals is to aspire to be a usable vessel for Him. If our vibration has not reached a certain degree then an overshadowing is impossible. If Christ were to attempt to directly overshadow the average seeker out there, the high spiritual energy would cause extreme discomfort. Many though are linked to his consciousness and receive inspiration through him or other souls linked to him including our own Higher Selves.

The overshadowing experience was disturbing enough for Jesus. Right after the spirit entered into him at the baptism He went straight into the wilderness and fasted for forty days in an attempt to harmonize with the High and Holy Presence.

I was asked if Christ was an archangel. Some say He was the Archangel Michael who fought Lucifer in the war in heaven mentioned in Revelations chapter 12, others give Him the name of Sananda, one of the great Kumaras, still others think he was Jehovah but I will say that in addition to Krishna and Melchizedek, He was the last Adam around 6000 years ago and then became the spiritual Adam 2000 years ago. (See I Cor 15:45) Suffice it to say that he is the representative of the second aspect of the godhead on this planet.

In general advanced souls do serve as angels or servants of the race between lives. In addition to this there are non human angelic lives that also work with the human race and are contacted through the language of universal symbols.

The second coming of Christ has to be the most misunderstood doctrine in all Christendom for there is not one of the sects that is even halfway preparing for it correctly. When the Christ comes again he will again find his greatest response from the same type of people who received him the last time: the non-religious, and people who were ostracized by the normal religious community.

When Jesus was with the twelve they asked him: “What shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?” The word “coming” comes from the Greek PAROUSIA which more correctly is translated as “presence”. This word is used by Paul as follows: “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence (PAROUSIA) only, but now much more in my absence.” Phil 2:12.

PAROUSIA means the opposite of “absence.” The word can also be translated as “nearness.” Thus we see that the signs given in Matthew chapter twenty-four are indications of the nearness or the presence of Christ. The three stages of the coming of Christ are:

(1) The teaching and introduction of the Christ Consciousness. The Son of Man or the Christ consciousness will be lifted up to a large group of people.

(2) The partial and/or complete overshadowing of certain disciples and groups.

(3) The appearance of Christ himself in a physical body

The second step is the beginning of the presence of the entity who is Christ on the earth. He shall indeed be present even though it may not be in a body of his own to start with, and this event is actually prophesied of in the scriptures themselves.

A careful reading of Zechariah will reveal that the persons mentioned as Joshua and Zerubbabel are representative of the Christ. Keeping this in mind let us read: “Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be SEVEN EYES, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of Hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.” Zech 3:8-9

Here we have mention of Joshua who is Jesus and the stone which is laid before him who was the overshadowing Christ, the stone of Israel. Then there is the servant, the BRANCH who will repeat the vibration of Moses on a higher octave. Finally there is a group of disciples who are “wondered at.” These persons are the seven eyes of the stone of Israel or the Christ. They are seven entities who shall experience the overshadowing presence of Christ as Jesus did. We see that when this will happen that the Lord will remove the iniquity out of the land. Thus it is obvious that it shall occur near the beginning of the new age of peace.

The seven eyes are mentioned again in the next chapter; “For who hath despised the day of small things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven, they are the eyes of the Lord, WHICH RUN TO AND FRO THROUGH THE WHOLE EARTH.” Zech 4:10.

We find another mention of this in the Book of Revelation: “And in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH.” Rev 5:6

Seven people are mentioned in another prophecy concerning Christ: “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; (Christ) whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (He has the experience of many lifetimes.)…And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then we shall raise against him SEVEN SHEPHERDS, and eight principle men.” Micah 5:2 & 5

We see from these scriptures that there will be seven shepherds raised up in the last days who will be called the eyes of the Lord. They will run to and fro through the earth and finally assist the Christ in driving back the Assyrian or the Anti-Christ forces. Altogether there will be eight principle men if we include the Christ. They will be men of wonder because these seven men will be overshadowed and will fulfill the prophecy of doing even greater things than Jesus did. They will be greater because the Christ will come in unto them and sup with them; and the Christ has even more wisdom, experience and power than he had two thousand years ago so we can look forward to great things ahead.

Christ will use these seven entities as seven projections of his presence through the assistance of other Masters in his group. His focus will shift from one person to another as His overshadowing presence is needed and will produce a tremendous effect as if there were a group of saviors on the earth.

The second stage of the presence of Christ involves a larger group of disciples wherein the Christ within them will be manifest on a larger scale. These disciples will try and fulfill the commandment given by Paul: “Let this mind BE IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God.” Phil 2:5 In speaking of himself and faithful disciples he said: “But we have the mind of Christ.” I Cor 2:16

Many people quote these scriptures, but few believe them. If we really have the mind of Christ then we will find that all of the scriptures that apply to Jesus also apply to us. For instance, Jesus said: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.” John 3:13. We are also Sons of God who will ascend into heaven who have in the beginning come from heaven.

Jesus continues: “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.” John 3:14 It is true that this corresponds to His death on the cross, but He also wanted to illustrate that each man should have the Son of man, or the mind of Christ lifted up within him so that “when he shall appear we shall be like him”. I John 3:2.

Next Jesus said: “That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:15-16. Not only should we believe the words and works of Jesus, but we must believe in and have faith in the Son of God that dwells within us. If we do this we can have everlasting life and life at the end of the age or in the age of peace.

The Son of God that can be lifted up within every man forms a part of “Christ, the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is ONE Eternal God.” Thus when we lift up the Son of Man within ourselves, we also become the Only Begotten Son. We are an extension of the only Son there is; all the sons of men share an oneness that few can realize. Paul tried to teach the real Christ when he said: “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: SO ALSO IS CHRIST…Now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular.” I Cor 12:12&27.

We can see that Christ is an office that is composed of all those who take upon themselves His name. To take upon ourselves the name of the Son means a lot more than remembering the works of another man however great he is. It means that we are to have the mind of Christ within us and to not think it mockery to be equal with God or to be a “savior on Mount Zion,” or a Christ. (See Obadiah Verse 21)

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The Overshadowing Examined

Nov 1, 2016

The Overshadowing Examined

I posted an article from the archives on the Overshadowing of Jesus in a couple spiritual groups and am getting some feedback on it Here is one from a reader named Daniel:


I don’t see why it is necessary to assume that the Father Jesus talks about is other than the Atman, to which he, the Jiva, is connected. Or that his Father in Heaven is other than the Brahman or parent Intelligence, which is the Father to the Atman. The Atman or real Self, the thread of knowledge on which the Jivas lives are strung, and the Jiva, or Soul, are one being.

What you are talking about Rudolph Steiner also claims, although he says that Jesus was the reincarnation of Zarathustra. The Pistis Sophia also claims something similar, that a cosmic spirit was a walk-in so to speak, and worked through Jesus. However, I see no reason to believe all this, as it seems perfectly feasible that Jesus as the Jiva or Doer incarnated fully the being of the Atman, overcame death, and through his sacrifice, which perhaps had to do with laying down his Life for mankind, not merely his physical appearance, became an Intelligence or Brahman.


The Atman is a higher part of himself. If he were just talking about a part of himself he wouldn’t have had to speak of another individual which was in him which and was greater than himself. The Atman would not have descended as a dove and abide in him as it already was with him.


There is an area within the brain which when light-filled has the shape of a dove. It would not be necessary to take the scripture literally but esoterically here.


I’m not sure what part of the brain you are referring to that has the shape of a dove, but if it exists I see no reason to associate it with the baptism.

Nothing I said would indicate a literal dove descended as this is not even indicated by a literal interpretation of the scripture which says:

“and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him”

So even taking this literally it appears the descent of the spirit was merely gentile like the descent of a dove.

Mark gives a similar rendition but Luke words it a bit differently:

“And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,” Luke 3:22

Some interpret this to mean that the spirit was in the shape of a dove but that is not what it says. The first part of the sentence says he “descended in a bodily shape”. If John saw the shape of a body he would have seen a human form and the second part of the sentence says this entity descended like a dove. In other words, this entity descended with gentleness like a dove and entered into Jesus fulfilling the word to John which reads:

“And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, UPON WHOM THOU SHALT SEE THE SPIRIT DESCENDING AND REMAINING ON (Can be translated IN) HIM, THE SAME IS HE WHICH BAPTIZETH WITH THE HOLY GHOST. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.” (John 1:30-34)


On the other hand the full incarnation or descent of the Atman into the body, which is not in the body but only contacts it via certain nerves and the pineal, is what makes the body immortal, changing it in the twinkling of an eye.


And you think this because? How are you defining the Atman? I assume you are referring to the Higher Self. In Theosophy the Atmic is the consciousness of the third plane, the Monad being the second. Which school of thought are you following?

Jesus did not obtain immortality at the baptism but took the first major step at the transfiguration.

The union of the Higher Self with the personality is an essential step to overcoming death, but there is more.


Jn 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Jesus speaks of the Atman as within him, above him, and as one with him.


Once union with the Higher Self is accomplished the disciple does not think of himself as two separate beings, but one whole unit. On the other hand, with a divine overshadowing the experience would be the sensing of a second actual entity, not just yourself.

Daniel quotes this scripture:

1 Cor 6:17 (NIV)

17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.


No argument with the kingdom being within or that we need to raise our consciousness to recognize oneness with God from whom the spirit of life flows through all things.


Joseph Smith points out in D&C two fathers are meant, the Atman, who is the Father, and Brahman, the Father in Heaven, otherwise he would not have distinguished my Father and my Father in heaven.


Joseph Smith never used the Hindu terms though he did present the idea of a universal God and another of a personal one.

Indeed there is the One Great Life in whom we live and move and have our being and there are masters the Bible calls Eloheim who are such advanced beings that many call them Gods.

Have you read any of the Alice A. Bailey writings?

The article under consideration may be found here:

Nov 2, 2016

Overshadowing Dialog

Daniel responds:

I don’t see any reason to accept this interpretation of yours. Young’s literal translation gives the following for this passage:

Luke 3:22 Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)

22 and the Holy Spirit came down in a bodily appearance, as if a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, saying, `Thou art My Son — the Beloved, in thee I did delight.’

That makes it clear that the appearance was that of a dove, not that it descended gently like a dove. What I indicated was that this appearance as of a dove was possibly what those who witnessed experienced astrally,


Young’s translation gives no difference in meaning than the King James. I also read it in the Greek and there is no additional clarification. The fact remains that something was “as if a dove.” It is not clear whether it is talking about the way it descended, its appearance, or both. The versions in Matthew and Mark, which have an earlier origin do not mention any bodily appearance but only the dove-like descent:

“and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him” Matt 3:15

Only John and Jesus are recorded as witnessing anything unusual happen, so it is unlikely they saw with the illusion of astral vision, but sight from the higher mental. We have no record of how the vision was originally conveyed to disciples, but since Mark and Matthew are the earliest versions they are likely to be the most accurate. Scholars have often accused the Luke version of embellishment. It is likely that the author of Luke had the Matthew or Mark version in his possession and made the leap of assumption that an actual dove was seen and reworded it to fit his interpretation.

That said… Let us suppose that they did see the entity descend not only gently like a dove but also saw what appeared to be the shape of a dove?

Does it prove that the dove represented the Higher Self and not another advanced entity?

No. It makes no difference.

If the scriptures are accurate we do know this for sure. Both John and Jesus witnessed a spirit descend upon him and it remained with him. The fact that it remained with Jesus was a sign to John that the Son of God was on the earth among men.

I asked Daniel which school of thought was related to his ideas and he stated that he was influenced by Harold Percival, an early Theosophist, and his main work called, “Thinking and Destiny.”

I have this book and have read it. I think it is a fairly interesting, restating many basic truths that are in harmony with most spiritual seekers. He does give out quite a few fairly controversial pieces of data that few can verify true or false. The main thing that seems to set him apart from other Theosophists is his emphasis on physical immortality, which is unusual.

He also uses a different selection of terms than other theosophical related writers. His teachings of the Triune Self is a good example. He calls the lower personality the “Doer,” or “God the Son.” The soul, or Higher Self, he calls “God the Holy Ghost” or “the Thinker.” Then he calls the Monad “God the Father” or “the Knower.” Once a reader understands his terms his writings are easier to follow.

Daniel seems to think that Percival’s teachings would discount the possibility of an overshadowing of Jesus by an advanced entity, but I can’t find anything in his teachings that would do this. As far as I can tell he makes no mention of the overshadowing principle one way or another and doesn’t give any significant details of what happened to Jesus at his baptism.

I asked him if he had read Alice A. Bailey. To this he answered:

“Yes I have read a number of her works, and I own her entire library, which I purchased at the Bailey center in London. However as I said I am more interested in the Master she mentioned there in New York in her autobiography.”


Well, Daniel, I think you ought to dust off some of those books and delve into them again as they have many profound insights not found in Percival’s books and contain many comments and teachings about the overshadowing of Jesus by the Christ who is the head of the spiritual hierarchy. I had difficulty in accepting it the first time I read it, but have received confirmation that it is true.

I didn’t recall Alice A. Bailey teaching about a master in New York but after contemplation I figured you were talking about this statement by her:

“A few years ago a very dear friend and a man who had stood very closely with Foster and me since the inception of our work – Mr. Henry Carpenterwent out to India to try and reach the Masters at Shigatze, a small, native town in the Himalayas, just over the Tibetan frontier. He made this effort three times in spite of my telling him that he could find the Master right here in New York if he took the proper steps and the time was ripe.”

Unfinished Autobiography, Page 165

I would guess that you think the master she was referring to is Harold Percival himself, but it is obvious she was referring to the master Djwhal Khul who Bailey contacted while in New York through telepathic means. Her point was that you can contact the Masters from anywhere in the world if your consciousness is ready.

Obviously Percival was not a master as he died at a pretty standard age of 84. A Master can extend his life indefinitely and he taught that a master would obtain physical immortality.

Nov 2, 2016

Assessing Truth

Thanks for your reply.

There are two problems in reaching agreement with you.

(1) You seem to have a black and white approach to interpretation.

(A) For instance, on the dove argument you see only one possible interpretation and such interpretation is not verified by any esoteric teaching including Percival

I, along with many Biblical scholars, see two possible interpretations. One is the possibility that an actual form of a dove was seen or the other is that the Spirit descended gently like a dove.

(B) You interpret the Bailey reference to meeting a Master in New York as only being possible in the physical and do not seem to see that there are two ways to interpret it. Obviously she could have been referring to meeting him as a spiritual non physical presence. Even if Percival was a master living in New York does not discount either interpretation. I know of no record that she met Percival and can find no mention of him by her.

For two seekers to reach agreement the two have to see both sides of the argument and the possibilities of each. If this does not happen then little progress toward union will be made.

(2) Since we are in this world of form we need to use some type of reference material as a base. Now that base does not have to be seen as perfect or infallible but should be seen as basically true within the field of human limitations.

From your words you seem to accept both Percival and Bailey as pointing the right direction. Yet you are quite selective in what you accept. For instance, you accept without question any vague hint in the Bailey writings that Percival was a master yet you completely reject DK’s clear teachings through her on the overshadowing. What is significant is that the overshadowing of Jesus by the Master of Masters, the Christ, is one of his most significant teachings and was not briefly hinted at but explained in detail over and over.

If both DK and Percival were masters and DK was a Grand Canyon away from the truth here then something is terribly amiss in the spiritual hierarchy.

On the other hand, if the Percival writings were inspired then they do not discount the overshadowing of Jesus. If he was correct that Christ was a “Brahman or the Light to us directly” then that would be describing the entity that co-occupied the body with Jesus.

You seem to have a take on things peculiar to yourself that is shared by no one else I know and which is sometimes contradictory to those you claim to accept as masters.

You write:

“As for Percival being a Master having met him that is not a question for me. His death at 84 is a year later than that of Buddha, who also did not leave the desire centers of men so that he could work with them. And who also did not overcome death. So unless you do not consider Buddha a Master, or you consider DK to be more developed than Buddha, your argument that this is proof he was not a Master founders.”


Buddha lived in an age before the Christ set the standard of mastery over death. Most of the masters since then have extended their lives in the physical body, though if such a being could finish his mission in a standard lifetime he could indeed die at a standard age and prepare for yet another incarnation.

I find it interesting that when a guru dies that his followers attribute supernatural qualities to him. Instead of being just dead they usually say he “ascended,” or something of the sort. Most of these were just mere mortals.

So how do I assess Percival?

The Masters are called Masters of Wisdom. If one calls Percival a Master I would say he should be called a Master of delivering creative data, but do not see a lot of wisdom revealed. I can’t find any principles on which he has shed additional light and principles are the language of the soul.

Wisdom cannot be fabricated but can only be presented by a high intelligence whereas much unusual and improvable data can be conjured up by anyone with a good imagination.

Overall I would say that about 75% of his writings are true when you understand his terminology. 15% is questionable but is worthy of consideration, and 10% just doesn’t register with my truth detector.

I’m surprised you give so much weight to a book written by Bailey herself, “From Intellect to Intuition” which isn’t nearly as enlightened as those from DK.

Here is how I would relate the writings.

DK writings through Alice A. Bailey I would give a 10, the highest on the planet.

I would give Bailey’s own writings around a 4 and Percival and Steiner’s a 6. Both of them present a lot of interesting, but difficult-to-verify data, while short on wisdom and principles.

I’ll take a look at those additional Percival writings you referenced.

Nov 4, 2016

More Dialog


There is simply nothing in that passage (Lk 3:22) that, to me, indicates what was meant was a human form descending gently like a dove. My interpretation of it as perhaps being an esoteric indication of the light shape in the head is only a guess, and is itself a bit of a stretch. What I am saying is I see nothing that indicates that some shape other than that of a dove seemed to descend, and certainly not that of a human form. That you can have another opinion than mine does not make them equal, nor does it make me inflexible. In this case you are arguing for your view by attacking the person (ie, ‘you have a black and white approach’), and not the substance of the ideas. That is a fallacy, as is an appeal to authorities who agree with you about this human form descending, but who are not cited. I suspect such authorities are Mormon, as I have never heard this notion in mainstream Christianity which I think would explicitly deny that God descended in a human form upon Jesus.


I am not attacking you but just noting your approach which is that there is only one interpretation possible, which, by the way is similar to the Mormon one, that a dove was seen.

Speaking of Mormonism Percival sounds like he has had some Mormon influence. Do you know anything about that? Also I notice you mentioned Joseph Smith. Do you have a Mormon background?

I can see where you get your view but you do not seem to see where I get mine. For two to have a useful argument they each need t look through each other’s eyes and if there is more than one plausible interpretation possible both need to be seen.

I am not interested in black and white vs black and white but reason added to more reason and light added to light.

I am not alone in seeing some flexibility of interpretation here with Luke 3:22. A number of Bible commentators see possibilities beyond the actual form of a dove descending:

Ellicott’s Bible Commentary:

“In a bodily shape.—The words are peculiar to St. Luke, and tend to confirm the traditional symbolism which finds in the dove the emblem of the Holy Spirit. They, at least, fall in naturally with this view; but the other construction, that the Holy Spirit descended, after the manner of a dove, first hovering and then resting, in a bodily form (undefined) of some sort, is, at least, not excluded.”

Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

“like a dove upon him; either in the form of a dove, or this corporeal form, whatever it was, descended and hovered on him as a dove does:”

And this from a blogger:

“However, I believe the Holy Spirit does not look like a dove any more than Jesus looks like an actual lamb. I believe that when Scripture states it was “like a dove,” this expression describes the manner of the descent, rather than the bodily form. So another way to phrase this would be “while He was praying, heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him like a dove. He was in bodily form.”

Actually Matthew records it more like this in his gospel. He states: “After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.” (Mat 3:16-17)

How does a dove descend? It descends different than other birds. Perhaps we could say it hovers, floats downward, rather than swooping down to kill its prey as a an eagle, or circling overhead like a vulture, or flitting about recklessly like a bat. I believe there was a smooth, steady, deliberate, innocent, pure, and harmless manner in which the Holy Spirit descended on our Lord that can only be compared to the beauty of a white dove descending. Matthew says, “descending as a dove and lighting on Him,” indicating that the Holy Spirit came to rest and remain upon Him in the same manner as a bird would light upon Him or land on Him.”

I can see why some may think an actual form of a dove was seen, but can also see why others see it as a mere descent as a dove.

My point is that if two sides of an argument are possibly true, why not acknowledge it? Without such give and take then no union of thinking is possible.

We have this same problem in interpreting Bailey’s words about seeing a master in New York. You say:

“Once again, arguing that I am inflexible because I don’t agree with your interpretation is not a legitimate argument.”

You totally miss my point here. I have no problem with you not agreeing with me. I am saying that you are only seeing one possible interpretation to her words where various readers may take it two different ways, just as with the dove analogy.

You seem to see things that give surface indications that verify your thinking and you take them to be solid irrefutable evidence, which they are not.

An argument doesn’t have much value when each side just wants to prove the other wrong, but can have value when each seeks to see through the eyes of the other and steps are taken toward seeing the truth as one.

I can see both sides here. It is possible that Bailey thought Percival was a master incarnate, but also possible she did not. Unless one gets a revelation on it there is no way to know for sure, but you have presented circumstantial evidence, not proof.

The important thing is to study Percival’s works through the light of the soul and come to one’s own conclusions without the interference of an outside authority.

You would think though that since Percival put so much emphasis on the idea that a master would overcome death that he would have at least extended his own life to demonstrate his core teaching.

I agree with you that Jesus was not the first to extend his life, but believe he was the first to demonstrate power over death in such a dramatic manner in that he was put to death and rose again. I do not know of any record of a master dying at a normal old age and being buried since the time of Jesus.

Concerning overshadowing, the term is not normally used with a union with a higher part of yourself. This is more of a union than an overshadowing. An overshadowing or divine possession comes from an interplay of two individual entities, something you seem to reject as a possibility.

You indicate you have seen Percival. Did you have a vision or were visited by him?

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Kalispell Gathering 2006, Part 17

This entry is part 2 of 24 in the series Kalispell Gathering 2006

Reincarnation, Overshadowing and More

Now, the same thing happened with me with reincarnation, in the Mormon Church they teach that reincarnation is the doctrine of the devil and that all should stay away from teachings about it. But when I discovered for sure that there was reincarnation for sure I thought; “Well, maybe it is in the scriptures somewhere and if the scriptures are true then reincarnation is true. Then I found it on almost every page. When I did this I kept wondering how come I never saw this before? The answer lies in the principle that you find what you are looking for. If you are looking for something you find it, and if you are not looking for something, even though it is right in front of your eyes, you will not see it.

So reincarnation was found throughout the entire scriptures. I also found the overshadowing of Jesus was taught throughout the scriptures and I read them quite a number of times earlier and I could never see it because I was not looking for it. My mind was filtering it out, but as soon as I began opening up and was open to look for it, there it was!

And that, my friends, is amazing! Sometimes I would ask myself “What else is in there that I am not looking for, that I am not seeing? Maybe quite a few things.” What is in the writings of Alice A. Bailey that I am not looking for because I am not open to it?” “Except ye be as a little child, ye shall no wise enter the kingdom of heaven.” And as I said earlier that does not mean that you are just a non-thinking person. It means being an open person who is completely open to whatever is there.

That was the beauty of when I discovered solid proof for myself that there was reincarnation and then went through the scriptures and verified that there was reincarnation. I was completely open after that because I thought that nothing is as I had learned it. Now what I had to do was re-learn everything with a fresh set of eyes and when I did that I found that going through the scriptures, for instance, was an entirely different experience when you are reading as if you were a child and that anything could be true.

I learned completely different things then I had ever learned before. I try to keep that attitude with whatever I learn. One of my favorite quotes in my writings is; “That if a person who is open can learn more from the National Enquirer than he can learn from the Bible.” (Laughter) The person that is open can learn from almost any source because you never know what might stimulate you to greater knowledge and understanding.

There were two entities in the body of Jesus at the same time for the three and half years. Jesus, near the time that He was going to be crucified in the garden of Gethsemane came to His final test. The Christ that was in Him knew that the cost of the Jesus being crucified was a necessary experience, but Jesus wanted to establish the Kingdom of God.

Suppose that you were over shadowed by a Master with great power and you saw that with this power you could possibly convert a very large number of people, and teach them with the assistance of the Messiah, The Christ that was in you and create a virtual Kingdom of God on Earth. That is such a wonderful thing. Now Jesus was really looking forward to being able to do this but then He was told that He could not do that for it was not part of the Plan. “You must be crucified instead. There is a bigger plan at work here,” he was told.

Right after His last meeting with the disciples when Judas betrayed Him, the energy of the group was disrupted through Judas. So He took the three disciples with Him that could still handle the energy, so He thought, and went to the garden of Gethsemane; I have covered this part in greater detail before; as He was praying, what did He ask?

Audience: To be removed from this responsibility.

JJ: Correct and why did He ask this since He already accepted the plan?

Audience: He wanted to know if there was a possibility of this.


He asked for this to be removed because He never knew for sure that this was part of the plan. The only thing He knew for sure was that The Christ was within Him and He was aware of everything and Jesus was giving out His words. Those words indicated that The Christ within Him knew about the plan but Jesus kept thinking, well, there might be a way of escape, you know this power within Me, maybe I can influence Him to build the Kingdom here. We have done all these good works and we have a good foundation established. These apostles are all ready to go and we can build the Kingdom of God. But in the garden He was told that the Will of God is that we do something else. It says in the Book of Luke that He actually sweated blood because the intensity of the pain of the decision was so difficult.

What was worse than having to give up His life was to give up His dream. His dream was to build the Kingdom of God. Could you imagine having this dream so close to being fulfilled and then having it taken from you, no you can’t do it. Imagine Shelly that you could see how you could bring peace on earth, that you could get everybody to lay down their arms and then God comes to you and says, “No we cannot do this, it is not time. We must do something else.” You must go to Jerusalem and let these let the radicals cut off your head.

Now that would be very tough. It is bad enough to have your head cut off but it is even worse to be so close to think that you could bring peace on earth and goodwill to men and find out that no you cannot do this. So there Jesus was praying, “If it be possible remove this cup. Nevertheless, not my will but yours be done.” And the answer came back, “The higher Will must be done. It is your free will and your body Jesus.” Even the Christ could not takeover His body and order Jesus to obey. Jesus was left to operate of His own free will. He acquiesced and said, it is done I will cooperate.

So He went to the cross and when they put Him on on it, do you remember something else of significance that he said that relates to two entities? He said “My Father, My Father, why have You forsaken me?” In other words the Christ left the body of Jesus somewhere around the time that He was to be crucified. It could have been a bit before or during and He had to endure this all alone. And He said, “My Father, My Father why have You forsaken me?  Have I failed? Is this the end?” Once again He had a tremendous test of faith again. And of course He was put in the tomb for three days, we all know the story of the resurrection that He was raised from the dead and appeared then eventually ascended. The One that was raised from the dead was Jesus; who had the privilege of being in the body that was raised up and it was not actually the Christ, The Christ went on to all kinds of other spiritual work.

There are all kinds of stories of what actually happened to Jesus, There are legends that He went to different places in the world after He was crucified. I am not going to discuss any of that but suffice it to say that Jesus and The Christ has been working among humanity for many years. DK tells us that Jesus became a Master in His own right and that Jesus was a Fifth degree initiate after this experience. The Messiah, who is The Christ, was Krishna in a past life and also the Great prophet Melchizedek who lived in the days of Abraham and it was written that He was a Prince of Peace and that He had no Father or Mother which is a very interesting statement. It is also told that He was greater than Abraham but it says very little about Melchizedek outside of the fact that He established peace on earth for a period of time.

The Christ; went on to other work. Both Jesus and The Christ had Their initiations, Jesus had what is called the Fourth and Fifth initiation, you must undergo the fifth initiation to become a Master. Now Christ was really called The Master of masters, The Teacher of teachers, because He was a teacher of masters, angels, and men. He advanced to the beginning of a Seventh initiation. With His experience with Jesus, Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane,  underwent His sixth initiation, which is called the initiation of decision. It was an experience in the garden where Jesus underwent the crucifixion initiation; and the fact that He had to give up everything so dear to Him because in this initiation that Jesus underwent you have to give up everything that attaches you to the world. The last thing that attached Jesus to the world was something good, it was the desire to bring the Kingdom of God to the world, and he even had to let that go that.

Whereas the Christ that was in Him was undergoing another test of His own; He was facing what is called the dweller on the threshold for the whole planet. Now the dweller on the threshold for the individual is bad enough to deal with. It is all the negativity that you have had to deal with in all your past lives brought together in one experience where you face the dweller before you enter into the presence of God, or the Angel of Presence. The Christ encountered the dweller on the threshold for everyone on the planet. This is one of the reasons it said that He suffered for the sins of the world. He suffered for the sins of the world in the fact that He encountered all the sins of the world in one great powerful thought form.

Now each one of us had a dweller and the dweller is the negativity all of us accumulated from all of the sins of our past. All of our negative thoughts, our fears, our errors, and guilt rolled into one bundle and occupying a life form composed of very course matter. It is our personal devil. People think the devil has lots of angels. The devil that each of us has to deal with of our own making is called the dweller on the threshold. It is residual energy, of all the negative energy, we have ever encountered and the time will come when each of us will encounter our dweller. It comes just before a monumental revelation comes to us.

Paul encountered his dweller on the road to Damascus. He experienced a great light that was so bright that it blinded him. Joseph Smith encountered his dweller when he went into the forest and prayed, he was overcome by a great dark power that made him feel like he was going to be destroyed and he had to penetrate this power before he could see the Divine Presence. Jesus encountered His dweller in the wilderness where He had to overcome the temptations but the Christ encountered the great dweller of the whole planet and it is hard or us to comprehend the intensity of the dark energy that He had to penetrate, He penetrated that dark energy and He faced it and created a link from humanity to the Divine Kingdom of Shamballa. This link connected humanity with the Will of God in such a way that had never been connected before. That was one of the most important parts of His mission. And thus He passed the Sixth initiation and began the Seventh. The Seventh initiation is the highest that can be taken on this planet. The Seventh initiation was only half completed by the Christ. He has to complete the Seventh initiation by coming again and walking among us. How this will happen is not completely given.
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All Time High

This entry is part 35 of 62 in the series 2010

Posted Sept 3, 2010
Well, John C – looks like you have done a lot of research and contemplation on the overshadowing process. You have come up with some interesting thoughts and conclusions. You are also expanding on a principle you and Keith call the Tuning Fork Principle. An understanding of this can lead to many facts.

You seem to wonder what a divine possession would really feel like. The best description I can give you is found in The Lost Key of the Buddha. The description of the presence is true though the circumstances are changed for the story’s sake.

From The Lost Key:
She then stepped forward and touched both sides of my head with her fingertips, took a long deep breath and breathed out on me. As she exhaled her breath, I felt a deep and penetrating peace begin at the core of my soul, which seemed to light into a warm and comfortable spiritual fire.

Elizabeth stepped back and said, “It’s gone! The Presence is no longer in me. I believe it has been transferred into you. What do you feel?”

“Like you said, it is a strong Presence burning like a spiritual fire. It’s like the feeling I had when I laughed at the Dark Brother beside my bed, and afterward a presence descended on me. It is also similar to the feeling of being in the New Jerusalem.”

“Well, I guess one problem is solved. You do not have to worry about a place to store Excalibur. Apparently this Presence is the owner of it and he is now residing within you.”

“To tell the truth I’m not sure what the situation is. I feel a Presence, and a wonderful Presence it is, but no information is coming through. It is just here with me.”

“Maybe it is just settling in, looking through your eyes and making adjustments.”

“Maybe,” I said, a little puzzled.

“I think it is time to get a little rest,” she said. “I do not remember when I have felt so exhausted.”

That sounded good to me. We both went to bed and quickly fell to sleep.

My sleep did not last long. I was awakened about two hours later by an intensity of feeling that I had never felt before. The power of the Presence within me had magnified several times and I felt as if I were on fire even more than before. It was at this time I realized that the Presence of this Great Entity was not just hovering around me, but was within me sharing my very body and being. I did not quite know what to make of it except that the Entity seemed to be adjusting to me as I was toward it. Whatever the case was, the feelings associated with the Presence were wonderful, and I instinctively had great trust in it. I felt like it would leave if I asked it to, but I had no inclination except to welcome the visitor to stay as long as it wished.

I lay for the next half hour in a sort of blissful joy and then wandered off to sleep again.

Elizabeth and I slept in that morning and did not get to the office until around noon. During the day, the power of the Presence intensified even more – a thing that I did not deem possible. It felt wonderful, but made it somewhat difficult to keep my mind on my work.

The second day produced similar results. I felt as if I were literally on fire.

Then on the third day the intensity reached a crescendo, the likes of which I had never dreamed. I felt as if I was dwelling in the heart of the sun and all who looked upon me would be blinded. I felt a joy which could only be called a fullness. I call it a fullness because I do not think anything could be added to it.

This was the opposite of the feelings associated with the Dweller.

Instead of overwhelming pain, I felt a joyousness and exhilaration far beyond my wildest imagination. Sometimes I thought the intensity was too much, but then when I asked myself the question, “Do I want it to subside?” the answer was always no. Even though the intensity was so great it was almost painful, it wasn’t painful–just exactly the maximum I could endure.

Instead of fear I felt a confident realization that there is indeed a dominating good which always prevails. Instead of wishing the Presence gone this time I opened my arms and heart to it inviting it to stay as long as desired. On this third day when the living fire was so intense I posed a question to Elizabeth.

“Look at me,” I said.

“What for?” she asked.

“Just look,” I said. “Look over my whole body.”

“OK,” she replied. “I’ve looked over your body. Now what?”

“Do I look any different?”

“Not really,” she responded.

“Look harder. Do I seem to be glowing or anything?”

“Not that I can tell.”

“Look closer at my skin then. Is there any light radiating from it?”

“Sorry,” she said. “You just look like you always do. Has this got something to do with the Presence?”

“Yes,” I said. “I thought the strength of the Presence was great on the night it went from you into me, but that was nothing compared to what I feel now. I feel like I am on fire, but it is a good fire. It feels like all who would look at me, because of the Presence in me, would just see a brilliant sun shining in its strength. I am almost surprised that I look normal.”

“Maybe if I had the inner vision I would see the brilliance of the sun,” said Elizabeth, “but all I see with these eyes is the physical you.

“In a way, that’s a relief,” I said. “If I walked around glowing, people would probably think I was an alien or something.”

“I have an idea of what you are feeling since it was first in me,” said Elizabeth, “but you say the power of the Presence increased over a three-day period. Perhaps it is merging with you beyond what I experienced.”

“I think that is the case,” I said. “I think we both felt the Presence to a similar degree the night it came, but it seems to have settled in and is merging beyond words to describe. I think this intensity can only be endured after a period of several days of adjustment. If this intensity had come all at one time I do not think I could have handled it. Here, hold my hand a minute.”

She took my hand and held it.

“Do you feel anything unusual?” I asked.

“Actually I don’t,” she said, sounding a little disappointed.

“The feeling is so intense I thought you would feel something just by touching me. But again, I guess it is good that touching me feels normal.” I paused a moment and asked, “Do you have any feelings about what I am supposed to do with this Presence?”

“It only rested on me for a short time,” she said. “I just received one communication from it and that did not come in words, but an impression. I feel that you need to blend your mind with its mind until its thoughts become your thoughts – a little like the Oneness Principle that John speaks of.”

That sounded like as good advice as any, and for the next several days I concentrated on merging and tuning into its thoughts. This Being was of such a high vibration and so far beyond me in spiritual attainment that I was not sure of the path of approach. I seemed to sense that the spiritual level where we were merging was beyond the power of regular spoken words.

The next few days seemed to be one of adaptation on my part. I’m sure this Being also had to make adjustments to share my body and consciousness, but at least I was sure he knew what he was doing. On the other hand, I was not sure about myself. This was an experience that had no precedent as far as my knowledge went. I therefore attempted to tune into his mind and as the days passed I seemed to be able to do this. When I acquired some ability to understand the mind of the Being who was with me, I realized that I was learning a higher form of communication.

In normal communication the mind formulates thoughts, translates them into words and speaks them to others. In this process much is lost, for the original thought is always corrupted to some extent because of the imperfection of spoken or written language. This communication I was learning was much different. In this case my mind and the entity’s mind became as one mind, intertwined and understanding each other in almost all things. I say “almost” because I sensed we still maintained our individuality and there were certain things in the entity’s mind that were hidden from me.

For instance, I probed it for the Second Key of Knowledge that John was teaching me and found all his thoughts on the subject were closed to me. I assumed that I was to learn this key without it being given to me.

The three attributes of Light and Love and Power in this Being were strong beyond my previous vision or understanding. I felt such power from this Entity surging through my being that it felt as if I could point my finger at a mountain and it would be reduced to nothingness if he so willed it. Such power would have been frightening to feel if it were not tempered by an equally powerful love which I felt. The love was like a fire of unimaginable depth that was at one with my soul and spirit. It vivified my own life force and caused my thoughts to reach out to all humanity; seeking to alleviate their pain and seek peace on earth, good will to human kind.

The light and wisdom from this being was equally overwhelming. I have often considered myself a seeker who could match wits with the best of the ideologues, but before the light of this great mind I felt humble indeed. This Being was indeed a teacher of teachers, a master of angels and men.

The being stayed with me about forty days. During this period I learned that its purpose was not so much to teach me knowledge in the normal sense, but to intensify my vibration and acclimate me to this higher Presence in preparation for some future mission. I learned to understand the aspect of the Oneness Principle as never before, where two become one.

Perhaps the most unusual thing about this forty-day experience was the consistent exaltation of joy and pure bliss that I felt. I had my ups and downs in the normal sense during this time, several business problems, disappointments, etc., but nothing that happened, no matter how disturbing, was able to diminish or take away from the consistent exaltation I felt. This Being had an eternal fullness of joy, and there was nothing that could happen in the outward world that could interfere with it or take it away.

Many people have the mistaken idea that God is consistently sad because of all the evils and hurt in the world. The state of mind of this great Entity taught me otherwise. He realizes all the problems that people have and seeks to help them, but no problem, pain or distress that you or I may feel can touch or diminish His state of joy. This is because His mind is not focused on the temporary distress that humanity may have, but the eternal conquest over illusion which we all will attain at some future time. The Great Ones can see these future times of joy and merge them with the present distress, so all negativity is neutralized.

This consistent joy was perhaps the most amazing thing I gathered from this whole experience. Before this happened, I could not conceive of a positivism that could not be diminished or touched by the cares of the world. I had, of course, heard preachers talk about heaven, where we will have some type of eternal bliss; but I never seriously considered experiencing a positive joyousness in the here-and-now that could not be touched or diminished.

For instance, if I lost one thousand dollars I would, of course, be very upset. But the interesting thing about sharing this Presence was that it would not matter what happened; even if I had lost everything I owned, the experience of a fullness of joy would have continued.

I would have registered the consequences mentally and dealt with the problem on a practical basis, but the joyousness would not have been touched or diminished. The loss of the money would have seemed like a very small thing for the lower mind to handle.

I can only give the briefest description of my experiences with this Entity, but will add that even one hour of this oneness is worth a lifetime of struggle to attain.

During the forty days, I received many impressions, mainly concerning overall pictures and principles, but the last one I received is the one that lingers in my mind.

This was the message: “Teach those things which you receive through your teacher and the Oneness Principle. When you gather around you those who are willing to receive that which you have, then I will come dwell with you again and shall give you more.”

“How many do I have to gather?” I asked.

“That is for me to decide,” he said. “Gather around you all the lights who listen to the voice of the soul, and when all is ready I will come. Until that time I will be with you, for a link has been created between us. I will be aware of all that transpires until I come.”

Shortly after receiving this message the entity left. The time afterwards required quite an adjustment to feel “normal,” but on the positive side I was still aware of the link, and this connective energy I constantly sensed helped to make normal living and being bearable again.

Copyright 2010 by J J Dewey

Holy Spirit, Translation & More

This entry is part 46 of 62 in the series 2010

Posted Sept 23, 2010
Maria asks:
I am thinking a lot of ; what is the Holy Spirit really,– which is talked so much about and which the disciples received after Christ left and then they spoke in tongues? How is it understood and how will it lead you to the Spirit of God or Christ consciousness?

The Holy Spirit is associated with the Third Aspect. The First Aspect is the Father, or Power. The second is The Son, or Love Wisdom and the third is the Holy Spirit, or Active Intelligence.

This Third aspect is sometimes called Intelligence in Matter. That seems to be a strange phrase that means little to the average student but the truth behind it is profound.

The intelligence of God in the far past created all physical matter. To do this required the application of great intelligence to put together atoms, electrons, protons quarks etc. After the creation of matter was set the intelligence of God remained behind implanted in matter. This implanted intelligence sustains all creation and keeps everything from falling apart and disintegrating into nothingness.

This universal intelligence, which is the Holy Spirit. knows all the secrets of creation and can also tune into all life including you and I.

The soul and the Holy Spirit are not the same thing. The soul is the doorway to higher spheres and opens communication with the Holy Spirit and the spiritual internet behind the Oneness Principle.

On each populated planet there is a high entity who is adept at tuning into this Divine Intelligence and he will represent this Third Aspect. On earth this entity is called The Mahachohan. Part of his job is to channel the intelligence of the Holy Spirit to seekers of truth upon this planet.

Maria wanted to know how the Holy Spirit will lead to the Christ Consciousness. The Christ consciousness is often liberally used with little understanding but it embraces love and wisdom. Embracing the intelligence of the Holy Spirit leads the seeker to discover both love and wisdom. Mastery of this is wrought out in the experience of life.

Rob asks:
Where/how did you learn so much about how to correctly translate the Bible?
I’ve used a Concordance many times and don’t think I could ever be as proficient at correct translations as yourself.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Rob. The two main tools I currently use are Strong’s Concordance and The Blue Letter Bible, which is online. It gives you lots of tools, even the tense of the various words.

When I come across a mysterious word I will often check out the root word from whence it came and then check to see the context it was used in other locations within the Bible. If you can find it used a dozen times you will begin to get a clear idea of the true meaning of the word.

When you examine the raw Hebrew words you will see that they often do not paint a picture in the same way as modern languages but seem to leave a lot more up to the intuition of the reader. It seems to present the major thoughts and leaves the minor details up to us.

If the original entity (in an overshadowing) follows all instructions that are passed on to him by the master then will the original entity be paying of karma even if the ideas are from the master from overshadowing? Maybe by cooperating?

Any type of service either pays off bad karma or creates a surplus of good.

Will the overshadowing of the original entity always be from a master or can an advanced disciple overshadow someone?

An entity would have to be a master or above to initiate an overshadowing. Walk ins are done by regular humans with a strong desire to serve.

If one had a hobby for learning different languages in a past life could the same person in a different life not share that same hobby?

We will often work at a major interest for several lifetimes in a row or until the soul sends us in a different direction. The basic talent you acquire can be easily retrieved in any future life. Let us say that John Lennon comes back as a politician. He would still love music and probably dabble at it in his spare time but his major attention would be in his new direction.
Copyright 2010 by J J Dewey