One of the main reasons gold standard advocates want us to return to gold as a backing for money is its stability. Gold has always been a stable valuable metal, they say. Some go so far as to claim that gold has always kept its same value over the ages. For instance, some claim an ounce of gold bought a new suit of clothes in the days of the Roman Empire, in the 1920s and even today.
Overlooked by them is the variables in the cost of clothes. As of this writing one can buy a high end suit for the price of an ounce of gold (around $1350) but a consumer can get a nice suit at the Men’s Warehouse for around $200 and less than that in some discount stores. This means you can get seven suits today for what it cost a Roman to buy one.
On the other hand, a decent suit cost $30 or more in the 1920s, which was equal to one and a half ounces of gold, valued at $20.67 and ounce.1
So instead of gold maintaining the same purchasing power for a suit of clothes over the centuries, in relation to this one item, it lost 50% of its it’s value by 1920 but gained by almost 700% by 2011.
Just as gold varies in value compared to a man’s suit of clothes even so did we illustrate great fluctuations in relations to the other monetary mental – silver.
How about other items? Would the value of gold fluctuate over the decades and centuries compared with wheat, beef, land, diamonds, seasonings and other items?
Yes it would and in many cases the variation of value is quite profound.
But what if we don’t single out the value of one commodity in relation to gold but take an average as is done with the wholesale or consumer price index?
We have illustrated the fact that deflation of value can occur during a depression, but how about inflation? Can this occur while relying on a gold standard?
It is common knowledge that pumping too much money into the financial system will cause inflation. Has this happened in the past when large amounts of gold was added to the supply?
Adam Smith points out that the value of gold is not always stable using Spain as an example.
“Gold and silver, however, like every other commodity, vary in their value, are sometimes cheaper and sometimes dearer, sometimes of easier and sometimes of more difficult purchase. The quantity of labor which any particular quantity of them can purchase or command, or the quantity of other goods which it will exchange for, depends always upon the fertility or barrenness of the mines which happen to be known about the time when such exchanges are made. The discovery of the abundant mines of America reduced, in the sixteenth century, the value of gold and silver in Europe to about a third of what it had been before. As it cost less labor to bring those metals from the mine to the market, so when they were brought thither they could purchase or command less labor; and this revolution in their value, though perhaps the greatest, is by no means the only one of which history gives some account. But as a measure of quantity, such as the natural foot, fathom, or handful, which is continually varying in its own quantity, can never be an accurate measure of the quantity of other things; so a commodity which is itself continually varying in its own value can never be an accurate measure of the value of other commodities.”2
Spain thought it had hit a huge bonanza when it began to rob the New World of its gold and silver. It plundered 1,230 tons of gold and 60,440 tons of silver from 1493 to 1690 but all that inflow of precious metal not only led to high inflation but to its undoing as a world power.3
A major problem was that their attention and labor was directed toward plundering as much gold and silver as possible instead of manufacturing at home. Why produce anything when they could just buy it from other nations with all that gold and silver?
Consequently their true base of power and wealth – productive labor – declined and they fell off the stage as a world power.
The period of the California gold rush was another famous example. Australia also had its own gold rush about the same time. From 1851 to 1861 the world’s gold supply increased 161% accompanied by inflation of around 5% per year.4
In the gold rush communities inflation was much worse. It cost an ounce of gold (worth $1350 in today’s money) to just hire someone to wash and iron a dozen shirts. Good food and supplies were also outrageously inflated.5
Not only did gold discoveries increase money supply and inflation but so did technological advances in mining and processing. These caused an increase gold supply and inflation. From 1897 to 1914 the U. S. gold supply increased 7.5% per year and prices rose about 50% during this period.
This led to a tremendous increase in our leveraged money supply. “From June 1896 to June 1914, total bank deposits rose from $3.43 billion to $14.32 billion, or an increase of 317.5 percent or an annual rise of 17.6 percent…”6
Variations in gold supply has influenced its value since then but the next big change in the purchasing power of gold came not from supply but by presidential decree from FDR in 1934 that instantly changed the value of gold from $20.67 an ounce to $35.
Then when Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971 it went from the decreed value of $35 to over $500 an ounce in 1980 and then down to $288 an ounce in 1998, then up to $1350 by 2011.7
Conclusion: Truly it is established by history that, even though gold is one of the more stable commodities, it is susceptible to value fluxuations up and down just like everything else. Gold and silver have been used for money, not because they are the ideal, but because they are the most practical of metals
Concerning gold, even the hero of the gold standard philosophy, Ludwig von Mises, said:
“But even if the 100 per cent reserve plan were to be adopted on the basis of the unadulterated gold standard, it would not entirely remove the drawbacks inherent in every kind of government interference with banking.”8
“The gold standard is certainly not a perfect or ideal standard. There is no such thing as perfection in human things. But nobody is in a position to tell us how something more satisfactory could be put in place of the gold standard. The purchasing power of gold is not stable. But the very notions of stability and unchangeability of purchasing power are absurd.”9
Friedrich Hayek, another gold standard hero stated:
“The gold standard, even if it were nominally adopted now (1992), would never work because people are not willing to play by the rules of the game.”10
If gold, the most practical of metals for money, is far from an ideal standard then are we doomed to be held hostage to a very fallible money system? We will consider this question and explore the alternatives.
Larry Woods asked a while back about what is right and wrong as to the disciple’s approach to charging money for various types of service.
Jesus himself is responsible for some of the ambiguity on this subject for on one hand he said:
“Freely ye have received, freely give,” Matt 10:7 but then he also said “the labourer is worthy of his hire.” Luke 10:7 & Matt 10:9
Spiritual workers through the ages have interpreted this a number of ways. Those with a paid ministry say that receiving a wage is fine because the laborer is worthy of his hire yet they still assist and preach freely to the poor. They teach for free but work on voluntary donations.
Unpaid ministries say we should teach and perform service yet the workers receive no wage at all except what is necessary for administration.
Still others believe it is fine to have an actual mandatory charge for people should pay for what they receive.
This is one of those dilemmas that will not be solved by looking at black and white detail. Instead the servant must understand the underlying principle governing the material recompense of servants in the world.
When speaking of giving freely and receiving payment Jesus was talking to disciples that he sent out into the world who traveled from place to place and town to town. To understand the scriptures on this one must understand how people in that age related to such travelers.
At that time in history we have to realize that they had no entertainment available as we do now. Also if a person wanted to learn something he couldn’t just order a DVD, check out a book or turn on educational TV.
Some of the large population areas had theaters and gathering centers which provided entertainment but for the general population avenues of entertainment, as we understand it, were sparse.
So instead of watching TV, reading books or attending a Tony Robbins seminar what did the people do to entertain or educate themselves?
This vacuum was filled by traveling teachers and entertainers and many people in that day made a living by traveling from town to town and presenting themselves as living books.
Here’s how it worked. Since most people could not read or have access to the great works, this need was filled by individuals who specialized in memorizing certain books, stories, plays, philosophies or whatever there was a demand to hear. If a certain book was popular an entertainer may memorize the whole story pretty close to word for word. He would then practice his delivery to make the story as interesting as possible and then travel from town to town.
Various communities had a network so word circulated as to new travelers showing up and what their subject was. Because people were hungry for entertainment and not too much was available each new traveler usually was able to gather a pretty good audience, especially if his delivery was good.
Many of the travelers gathered around themselves whoever would listen and then accept donations. Others with a good reputation would only entertain a paid audience. Both groups had the same goal – to make a good living – but approached it from two different angles.
By today’s standards someone standing at the center of a crowd reciting a Tom Clancy novel would not seem like good entertainment, but for that age it was a real treat to hear stories and teachings from afar.
The disciples of Jesus had the advantage of having a unique message and since Jesus was becoming well known it was probably easy for them to gather a crowd wherever they went. Jesus instructed them to not charge a set fee but to freely give as this would bring the largest audience wherever they went. But then he told them “the labourer is worthy of his hire” meaning that it was fine to go along with the custom and accept donations so they would have the funding necessary to continue their work.
In other words, the disciples of Jesus handled fundraising after the manner of the customs of the traveling entertainers of that era.
If Jesus were here today would he handle raising funds the same way?
Probably not because the situation is much different.
The Key to correct thinking on this is not to try and exactly duplicate the past but to ask what is the fairest and best way to proceed.
Here is what I have concluded.
If you have a product or service that you have created by the sweat of your brow you can sell it for whatever the market will bear. There is no negative karma in doing this for you are doing your part in making the machinery of society work. If you provide discounts or give donations to those in need then positive karma will be the result.
If you have spiritual teachings and desire yourself and the participants to get as close to the Spirit as possible then you will want to place as little emphasis as possible on money. Energy follows thought, so if fees involved are as high as the market will bear then thought and energy from the teacher and audience will be diverted to the material side.
It thus helps the teacher to keep thought and energy directed to Spirit and give service freely when possible and charge minimum or reasonable fees when needed.
I know of people who see themselves as spiritual servants who charge $1500 for an hour of their time. Others go the other extreme and insist there never be a charge. These are usually ineffective and never have the money available to do the work.
Most will agree that accepting free will donations applied to the work is normally a harmless approach.
Conclusion: For work in the material world charging what the market will bear is fine. But if the goal is to center consciousness on the spirit then do whatever it takes to keep attention on the spirit by either relying on donations or charging a fee that all can afford.
Take our yearly gathering, for example. We have expenses involved so we charge a reasonable fee. When we become aware that someone is hurting financially we will offer a discount or free admission. No one I know of has ever been turned away because of lack of money.
In about two thirds of the gatherings we have come out almost exactly even and about a third of them we have come about a little ahead. I don’t recall any of them losing money.
Not charging at all can place too much attention on money because of the lack of it and charging too much can do the same. The key is a common sense middle way.
Copyright 2011 by J J Dewey
It is interesting that we have not heard Braco speak a word yet he has caused a great plethora of words to burst forth here on the Keys.
In reading comments on Braco sites I have noticed two typos misspelling his name – both seem to be done by accident. They were “Draco” and “Bravo.”
Draco the dragon could be associated with the dark side and “Bravo,” representing courage, could be the light. So even with subconscious Freudian slips we have the contrasting light and dark surfacing on the guy.’
A number of you are wishing I would give more specific comments on Braco and some were a little frustrated when I said I hadn’t received anything on him. This is not unusual. There are billions of people that I do not receive anything on and neither do I particularly care to.
However, Braco has aroused our curiosity so I decided to have a talk with my soul. I said, “What gives? You haven’t given me anything on Braco yet?”
The soul responds, “Do your homework and find out a few things for yourself.”
A few days pass and I say, “I’ve done my homework and still the guy is like a non entity. Surely there’s some morsel you can give me?”
The soul gave me a look. It was a Braco type of look that irritated me. I grabbed my soul and threw it against the wall and was close to slapping it around. Then I said, “Look, I’m tired of playing games. Give me something to go on here!”
My soul brushed itself off looking a little impatient with me, “Okay, okay, just relax. If you insist I will give you something. I’ll give you two words and from that you should be able to use your intuition and put everything together.”
“Two words, doesn’t seem like much, but I’ll take it,” I said.
Here it is… Now listen carefully and reflect. The Soul spoke:
“Blue dot.”
“Blue dot?” I questioned. What kind of hint is that?
“Exactly what you need.” The soul grinned with a hint of superiority and was gone.”
Okay, that wasn’t exactly how it happened and I used a little creative license but that gives you the idea that I do not use the orthodox approach to meditation. But it works. I did finally get a hint from my soul – The Blue Dot.
What is the blue dot?
Here’s the story. Back in June 1990 The National Enquirer published an article about a psychic named Judy Hevenly who claimed to be able to energize a blue dot. All someone had to do was to look at the blue dot that had been personally energized by her and make a wish. Her energy would then go through the blue dot and activate the person’s desires. If the individual concentrated enough on this dot (see below) then their dreams of money, health marriage etc would come true.
They published the blue dot with the story and invited readers to make a wish and stare at it and then write in and tell them what happened.
I remember reading this article and then wondering what kind of results they would receive. After a couple weeks the response was published and the National Enquirer editors were quite pleased. Thousands of letters poured in claiming all kinds of miraculous results. Some gained wealth, others love and still others had miraculous healings. Since being published lottery winners claiming the blue dot gave them luck have won over $170 million.
Many thousands believed in the magic of the blue dot and that psychic Judy Hevenly had truly energized it. Many people cut out the blue dot and put it in their purse or wallet and looked at it several times a day.
The response was so positive that Judy could have probably started a church based on the dot except the idea of “Church of the Blue Dot” might be hard to sell as a serious religion. Anyway the Enquirer found the blue dot to be so successful that they have republished it a number of times and even given free blue dots to new subscribers.
Now let us step back, look at this logically and ask a few questions.
Was Judy Hevenly some special being who was so full of psychic power that she could energize millions of blue dots in all the issues of the National Enquirer?
Probably not.
Was the blue dot published in the Enquirer energized any more than a blue dot I could print up on my HP printer?
Probably not.
Yet miracles happened. If the cause was not Judy’s energy or something magical in the dot then what did cause them?
Well, it may have not been Judy’s energy that did the trick but Judy was responsible. Even though she did not have any inner power that was special she did act as a director of energy and directed the scattered thoughts of the many into one location. Since energy follows thought then a lot of energy was stirred up by millions of readers and for some, who were good receivers, miracles did come.
I think the reader can see the connection here with Braco. Braco is the blue dot. The people who sponsor, introduce and support him play the director’s role, as did Judy Hevenly.
There are two reasons why even sensitive people have difficulty picking up anything either positive or negative on Braco.
The first is obvious. He says nothing and this makes it difficult to make any composite judgment on the guy.
The second is not so obvious and it is this. Braco sees himself as a channel of divine energy and just as he feels his words get in the way even so does he feel his thoughts get in the way. Thus when he goes on stage he stares at nothingness. Rarely does he look at any individual unless one happens to draw his attention for some inner or outer reason. Often he does not see the crowd itself but places himself in as complete neutral state as possible. Just like the blue dot, then he becomes a point of focus and the energy created comes from the powers of the inner God in the audience themselves with of course Braco’s added in.
Wherever Jesus healed anyone he never said “I have healed you,” but “YOUR FAITH has made you whole.” Jesus was merely a director of energy to open the door to the souls of the people who were healed so their own powers of godliness could heal them.
Is Braco a Master? I don’t think so. A Master has to demonstrate mastery of “the Word” by showing forth wisdom. Thus they are called Masters of wisdom.
Some think he is a master because of the positive feeling they have during sessions and are drawn back again and again to get an extra dose.
These people are looking for happiness on the outside and will have to keep returning until they find it on the inside. When it is found on the inside then it will just be there all the time and they will not have to depend on any one person to possess it.
Would I be any happier if Jesus moved in with me for a month – would just having him physically present make a difference in my well being?
Not really. In fact I may find that he gets in my way.
On the other hand, if he went beyond just gracing me with his presence and teaching me something would that help?
Yes, it would. This would increase my happiness.
If he went a step further and came up with a project that we could work on together to fulfill divine purpose would that increase my joy?
Yes, that would be a fun thing to do with such a master.
But as far as just having his presence… well I already have that through the Oneness Principle so having his physical body nearby wouldn’t bring that much enhancement.
There must be something about Braco’s peaceful look and the infectious expectation of the audience that brings out peace and positive feelings in people that are already readily available.
Is Braco evil? An evil person does evil things and we have no proof of any wrong doing on his part.
What I pick up is that he is following the highest he knows and sincerely wants to help and heal people.
Does this mean he is without error? No of course not. Most likely some ego may affect him and he is subject to some illusion.
One very positive and unusual sign though is that he built his healing center with his own money and does much of his work for free. When he does charge it is a reasonable $8 which is in the range of all. Of course, when he travels and has to rent facilities he should charge at least enough to cover expenses.
Does this mean we can trust Braco to never deviate from the light?
No. I see no evidence that he has progressed beyond the second initiation and as such is still subject to illusions and if this assessment is correct then he could still be mentally tricked into making wrong decisions and doing quite a bit of harm while thinking he is doing the right thing.
This is why the seeker must – with Braco and every other servant – check and recheck with his soul on a regular basis or in the end he will be disappointed and wind up as the blind following the blind.
This discussion on Braco causes an interesting question to surface – one of the few that I have not commented on to some degree.
Does it matter whether or not Braco is an angel or demon as long as people are healed with his technique?
Should we just accept the fact that some miracles happen and not even contemplate or question his motive or whether he represents the light or the dark?
Let us present two scenarios
Scenario One:
Braco is as much or more than his supporters believe. He is pure in heart – his main goal is service; he loves his fellow men and women and is a high initiate.
Obviously no one need have any concern about making the most of his healing powers.
Scenario Two:
Braco was on a quest for power and glory and he saw the teacher Ivica Prokic as a way to attain this. If he could learn his secrets then he could dazzle the crowds.
He studies with him for around a year and a half and feels he has progressed beyond his master but cannot demonstrate this because everyone looks toward Prokic and ignores him. He solves this problem by drowning him in the sea and telling everyone that a rogue wave came along and killed him.
This captures the attention of the Dark Brothers who now decide to use him to further their own ends. They create a goal to make him appear to be a messianic figure and when the time comes that he is loved and trusted by millions they will use him to make their move.
Question:
Now very few of us would have any problem receiving a healing by Braco number one, but how about Braco number two? If you knew the guy was on the dark side but also knew he could heal you would you accept?
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Before I answer this perhaps we should deal with another important question. Can a person who is not in the light even perform a healing or other miracles?
Let us check the scriptures on this.
Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Acts 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
Acts 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
So here we see that Simon deceived “all’ from the least to the greatest into thinking he “was some great one.”
Here is another account of Simon:
Dositheus, when he perceived that Simon was depreciating him, fearing lest his reputation among men might be obscured (for he himself was supposed to be the Standing One), moved with rage, when they met as usual at the school, seized a rod, and began to beat Simon; but suddenly the rod seemed to pass through his body, as if it had been smoke. On which Dositheus, being astonished, says to him, ‘Tell me if thou art the Standing One, that I may adore thee.’ And when Simon answered that he was, then Dositheus, perceiving that he himself was not the Standing One, fell down and worshipped him, and gave up his own place as chief to Simon, ordering all the rank of thirty men to obey him; himself taking the inferior place which Simon formerly occupied. Clementine Recognitions, ii. 11
Then after Simon surpassed his teacher, Dositheus, he was said to be able to levitate and even fly.
Then when the apostles visited him he discovered there was one miracle he could not perform and that was the giving of the Holy Spirit. That is one thing the wayward soul cannot manifest.
He can however manifest intense emotional feelings that may be mistaken for the Holy Spirit by those not familiar with it.
In addition Jesus said this:
Matt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
This tells us that workers of darkness can perform “many wonderful works” and yet be out of alignment with the will and purpose of God.
Concerning those who serve the beast we are told:
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
Then we have this:
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
Thus the scriptures seem to tell us that many who work miracles are not on the side of the light. The only sure sign of a true servant is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit which is revealed to our souls.
Until one has enough soul contact to perceive the Holy Spirit he has to use his best judgment when he meets someone who is acclaimed as a great or chosen one to do miracles.
Now the natural question to arise is this: If these guys mentioned in the scriptures are not in the light then how do they perform miracles? How was Simon able to convince “all” in his community that he was some great one?
Obviously people saw some real miracles and most people when witnessing such a thing automatically think that the person who seems to be performing the miracle is from God.
But, if the false servant is not from God then by what power is the miracle performed?
The answer may surprise some.
All miracles are performed by the power of God.
BUT… that does not mean that the person performing the miracle is approved of God or on the right hand path. Let me explain.
The miracle of life is through the power of God yet this does not mean that all who are alive are servants of God.
All of us are reflections of God and as such have all the powers of God within us and can manifest them if we just understood how to go about it.
The key to understanding miracles is the principle that “energy follows thought” and the more thoughts involved and directed to one purpose the greater the power.
One who works in either the dark or the light can gather a crowd and direct their thoughts and thus channel their energy to create an atmosphere where miracles an take place.
Once the miracle worker has the people’s thoughts directed according to his will miracles can manifest but their manifestation often has nothing to do with the guy performing, but comes from the energy generated by the people themselves.
This is why in our gatherings, during the healing sessions I try and get as many involved as possible because the more thoughts directed as one the greater the power and we have seen miracles as a result. After the gatherings I have had numerous communications of miracles that manifest because of the group healings that were not apparent at the gathering itself including some proxy healings we have done.
So it seems that healing energy is a little like money. It is available to all who are willing to work for it and can be directed toward selfless service or for the support of the ego or even some dark purpose.
Is it important to know whether a healer or miracle worker is on the right or left hand path?
Yes and the reason is this.
The only really free gifts come directly from God with no other human taking credit. There is no such thing as a free gift when given or seen to be given by another human being.
Like Simon who presented himself as a Great One, the healer who is seen as a special being will seek some type of payment. Maybe he just wants to get rich and will charge a lot of money. Maybe he wants power and wants your allegiance and loyalty. Maybe he wants to increase his power and will use your God energy and claim it as his own.
The true servant will be like Jesus and make no claims of specialness.
The Son can do nothing of himself…the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” John 5:19 & 14:10
The god that dwells in us all performs all the miracles that manifest and the true servants take no credit for any power apart from this.
Sharón spoke correctly when she said that the healer in the ego would create an energy link with the one being healed. If such a link is established with one who is not in the light then the individual may wind up rejecting the servants and teachings that are in the light – especially if they seem to not be in alignment with the healer.
My approach when being introduced to a new healer, teacher or servant is not to pronounce them good or evil, dark or light, but to examine their two witnesses – their words and works – in the light of day and then let the group decide for themselves.
Copyright 2011 by J J Dewey
It seems that periodically we deal with a situation where one or more members of the group feel strongly about a person, organization or subject. Then when that item is discussed we have to be quite careful or feelings will be hurt.
The last thing I want to do is hurt feelings of friends, especially old friends, but I seem to have a talent for this even when I try and go out of my way to avoid offense.
Here is what seems to happen. Someone has an experience or finds a teaching or organization, or topic that seems to ring correct with their souls and they share this with us. Since it seemed obvious to them that the thing was beneficial they often expect a positive reaction from the Keys members and especially myself.
What usually happens is some members will be very supportive, some see both good and bad and others will voice strong suspicion and concern. Then I will join in and say ABC looks good but XYZ looks questionable or maybe harmful. Now sometimes I may give mostly positive affirmation as with The Morya Federation or Sterling’s quest for free energy and others I may be mostly negative as with the Crème group, but usually myself and some others will critically examine both sides.
When this happens feelings often get hurt. It is not because anyone had an agenda to hurt feelings but generally everyone involved followed the highest they knew and were working at finding the truth of the matter.
Often the truth is not obvious. In one of the Principles of Discovery I stated that if you see everyone going or thinking in one direction one will often find truth by looking in the other direction that goes against the current.
I have a lot of respect for Sterling and Cheri. They are both outstanding individuals and apologize for any bull-in-a-China shop approach I have taken with their feelings but I did not and still do not know the full truth on Braco so I have to analyze him from the highest points of truth that I know.
The fact that miracles happen around him or people see a light around him does not necessarily mean all is well.
The fact that people get positive feelings does not mean all is well. I have seen people say they get positive feelings from God from outright scoundrels. As far as soul feelings go I only trust my own, as should everyone here.
As far as my feelings go Braco is an oddity for me. Usually when a new teacher or Guru comes on the scene I get an immediate impression that turns out to be correct. In Braco’s case I get little impression. It’s as if my soul is telling me to figure this one out on my own.
I haven’t tried to be either positive or negative on Braso but to merely examine him dispassionately
That said let me cover one more point. Ruth asked if supernatural healing could interfere with Karma.
The answer is that nothing can interfere with Karma. It can be delayed, but not interfered with or negated until a full payment is made.
Jesus healed many people. There may have been a few who had their full payment delayed but generally the soul will not allow a permanent healing unless the person has learned his lesson from the disease or can pay off more karma through assisting in raising faith in other people.
After quite a lively exchange on Braco I guess I’ll weigh in with a few comments.
First, I’ll answer my own questions.
(1) Are real miracles produced?
There are some participants who have no healing and feel nothing. Others feel a good feeling but are not healed. Still others receive partial or temporary healing. Then there are some who receive healing that will last for a year or more. One could say this latter category has received a true miracle as we normally define the term.
(2) Are the miracles created because Braco has special powers or something else? (3) What is the something else???
People can heal because of specialized knowledge more than the fact that they are special beings. There are, however, personal attributes that help. If the healer is healthy and has a strong vital energy, this can help. One would think that being a spiritual person would help, but when dealing with the masses a carnal person or one motivated by power or illusion can perform short term healings as well as the spiritual person. The main advantage held by the spiritual person is he can heal other people who are spiritually evolved. A wrongly motivated healer cannot do much for someone of a higher vibration than himself.
An initiate should not seek spiritual healing from a non initiate.
Okay – so wouldn’t one have to call Braco special since he does get some miraculous results?
Not necessarily for you hear similar testimony around many other healers.
Those who attended the last gathering may recall the teaching I gave out about ceremony. I said that this was one of the secrets of healing and that if we used our imagination we could create a new ceremony that could be given to the public and produce miraculous results.
Well Braco has come up with a new ceremony that works.
Why does it work?
Because it produces a point of tension in some. A good ceremony will guide the people’s thoughts toward a point of tension. Remember that energy follows thought and if a large group have their thoughts properly directed then miraculous things can happen.
Several things must happen before a healer can have success with a group.
First he must establish a reputation of one who can heal. Braco gained this gradually after he became a disciple of Ivica Prokic. He studied under him and worked with him for a couple years and then took his place when he died. At his death many began to look upon him to heal as did Ivica.
Braco then experimented with additional techniques and gained a reputation as a healer with special powers.
Secondly, the healer must create high expectation.
Once the healer gets a reputation expectation is not hard to accomplish and is where the ceremony and staging comes in.
The staging is set by the warm up people and the audience itself. Those on stage testify to the miraculous healing powers that will be witnessed and many believers are in the audience rubbing shoulders with neutral and negative people often turning them positive before the healer makes an appearance.
This rising of the expectation is a huge step in approaching the point of tension necessary to draw forth healing powers.
Even Jesus realized this and discovered that reputation and ceremony did not work when expectation was low. When he went home no one expected any results from him and nothing happened. Even the great Master could not heal in his hometown where he was seen as nothing special.
These preliminary proceedings are the first part of the ceremony, but the final most profound part occurs when the healer himself appears to fulfill expectations.
This is where Braco has come up with a very powerful ceremony, one that can only work where the healer has a positive reputation and has created high expectation. As Howard Stern says – most people would be laughed off the stage for trying to do the gazing thing, but this guy pulls it off.
Yes, the audience becomes convinced that this unconventional method works and this makes it all the more potent for believers.
He looks at the people in silence and the silence causes them to see his soul and reflect his soul energies back to themselves and if a point of tension is reached then some healing occurs.
The group has been debating as to whether Braco is on the dark or light side or maybe in between.
Let us take a look at the guy. He looks almost like the stereotype of Jesus with his long hair and sweet face. He looks harmless and benevolent. This look he has is good for the ceremony he uses. Clint Eastwood could never get away with this type of work, nor could a lot of others with regular looking appearances.
If I had to pick a guy from the Keys that could create a similar look I’d have to pick Dan. There is a warm and fuzzy aspect to Dan that could pull something like this off and garner trust. (I mean that in a good way, Dan)
Unfortunately, you can’t always tell by looks for, as Jesus said, there are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
The main thing to examine to find the truth of any spiritual messenger are their words and their works. These are the two witnessesq.
Unfortunately, there are no words, so this part of the witness seems to be missing. The lady closest to him in the United States who wrote the only English book about him did say this:
“It is no coincidence that after the November election and Barack Obama’s entry into office, the way was cleared for Braco’s first visit to America. Everyone is now facing the opportunity to open in perspective and action to more balanced possibilities as our ill begotten economic, social, educational and political structures are challenged and crumble. Braco represents a new level of healing reality to consider in the very left-brain West with a greater underlying potential in each of us.”
Angelika Whitecliff
So is Braco going to replace our “ill begotten” constitutional system with something else? And what would that be?
That’s a little unsettling to contemplate.
He does have works so we can look at them.
He desires to heal people are works tirelessly at it. That by itself is a good sign. Yes, there may be glamour involved but that’s for him and his followers to work out.
He either works for free or charges $8 to cover expenses. This tells us that making large sums of money is not his goal at this time. Even if he may at times make a profit $8 is a reasonable fee. That’s a real bargain compared to anything a doctor may charge in attempting to heal you.
He apparently sells miscellaneous items for a profit. Nothing wrong there with doing some free marketing. What he does with the profits is his business.
His work gives a lot of people more purpose and makes them feel better. Nothing wrong with that, in fact that is commendable.
There is one problem I see coming from his works and that is he is receiving the adoration of a messiah figure from many. Instead of looking on the inward God many seem to feel that they cannot receive the spiritual high without him as they can with him. In other words, they are focusing attention on the god without rather than the God within.
I’m reminded of the guy in the Braco film that had the toothache and the pain went away when he gazed at Braco. Did it go away for good? I don’t know, but I know I had a toothache a few days back that went on for a couple days and I was quite upset because I cannot afford to lose another major tooth. I had a good talk with my soul reminding it that it’s important that I not lose the tooth.
Well, the good old inner voice responded and said, “put some colloidal silver on the tooth.” I immediately did this and the pain went away in 15 minutes and has never came back. Hopefully I can keep the tooth and I didn’t need an outside person to help me to manifest that healing.
Yes, sometimes we do need outside help but this should never overshadow the power of a person’s own soul.
One thing that bothered me were the number of people who think they have to be in Braco’s presence to get a spiritual high. I’m inclined to think that this high they are getting is from an astral energy, for receiving the higher spiritual energies does not depend on another human being.
But there’s nothing wrong with getting a good emotional high as long as one realizes there is much more available.
Then there is an important thing that Jesus did that Braco is not doing. He duplicated himself. He told his followers, “Greater things than I have dome shall you do.” He then taught his disciples and soon they were doing great works just as their master did.
I do not see Braco training others to do what he does and the problem is amplified by the fact that many think he is special way beyond what they could achieve themselves.
I surfed through dozens of sites studying Braco and was amazed that I could not find one negative comment. Finally I did find one guy who did not see Braco as a god incarnate – none other than Howard Stern. As usual there is nothing sacred for this guy. Take a listen. It’s entertaining. Howard Stern Comments
I wanted to let you all know about an amazing healer, Braco. He’s from Croatia, and I first found out about him in Jan. 2010 in Hawaii, on his first trip to the US. He does gazing sessions, which is basically just standing in front of the audience and gazing, with music in the background. He doesn’t speak or touch anyone. The gazing’s last about 10 min. I’ve never felt such energy come from anyone before. It’s an amazing experience and left me speechless. He says that he has learned to pull down powerful energy from God and project it out to up 1000 people at a time. He doesn’t claim to be a healer but 1,000’s of people do (including myself). I had scoliosis (12 % curve) and my back was really painful everyday. After some gazing’s I noticed I had zero back pain! I also felt on an extreme spiritual high for about one month after! I’ve been craving feeling that again and now we all have the opportunity because he’s doing an online gazing tomorrow, Feb. 11. Sign up here http://www.bracoamerica.com/Braco_America/Braco.tv_Live_Streaming_with_Braco .html
You can look up video’s about him on the same website or youtube. Sterling and I are even in a couple of them!
JJ
I saw an interesting piece on this guy on TV the other day and people swear that looking at his gaze produces miracles. As I think of it this would be a good discussion point for the group. Google this guy and go to Cheri’s link and then answer this:
(1) Are real miracles produced? (2) Are the miracles created because Braco has special powers or something else? (3) What is the something else???
Matthew Responds
I saw an interesting piece on this guy on TV the other day and people swear that looking at his gaze produces miracles. As I think of it this would be a good discussion point for the group. Google this guy and go to Cheri’s link and then answer this:
(1) Are real miracles produced? (2) Are the miracles created because Braco has special powers or something else? (3) What is the something else???
Larry W
My first impression about this gazing healer says placebo. I’ll let you know if I get anything else. Oh, speaking of JJ’s anything else question, placebo defines the mechanism.
Rush Limbaugh did a similar thing about 15 years ago on his show. First he read an article about some Russian who passed out orgasms to his audience by blowing a kiss to them. After musing about this a few minutes Rush decided to do the same. He said, after all, he had a deserving audience. He then proceeded to ask if everyone was ready and then gave a very emotional kiss, smacking his lips and blowing into the mic. Then he asked how was that. Women spent the next hour calling in thanking Rush for their orgasm and hoping their husbands would not find out.
I believe preachers used the placebo effect since day one. Sometimes they even “seed” their congregation to get the ball rolling. For example, my Uncle, Norman Peterson (one of my mother’s brothers), could throw his hip out of joint and then return it at any time. I have no idea HOW he did this but it was a freak of his body. Back when he was a cynical young man, a preacher hired him to do this and then to throw it back into place when the preacher healed him. He later repented from communism and from deceiving congregations when he joined the Mormon Church. He went on to be a member of a Stake Presidency. He also converted a couple hundred people into the Church as a local (live at home) missionary. He was a true believer and it was infectious. We called him Norman the Mormon. Norman was a good man and continued to ask hard questions on into his old age. He even asked questions normally forbidden in the Church. Just a few months before he died I talked with him about the Oahspe book. I like Norman a lot. I would not be surprised to find that his life experiences prepared him well to learn of the BOL in his very next life.
I wonder if placebo orgasms are as good…
Cheri
(1) Yes Miracles are real
(2) Braco doesn’t claim to be a healer. He says he’s learned how to tap into powerful energy that he’s able to project out to others. He is also able to use everyone’s energy in the room and amplify it.
(3) It’s the energy that heals people not Braco.
I would just invite you to experience the gazing’s before making judgments. Honestly I thought it sounded a little weird but went in with an open mind. After experiencing a gazing most people can’t claim that nothing is going on. It’s very powerful stuff. I have seen auras a few times in my life but it has never been so easy as when I was able to see Braco’s aura. It was pure white and gold and went out from his body about 10 feet sometimes more. Another interesting thing was during all the gazing’s I went to Braco’s face would morph into one face after another. I’ve never had that happen to me and I still don’t know what that means. Afterwards I found out that it’s not uncommon for people to see his face morphing. Also I felt an incredible vibration and buzzing inside my body. Almost to the point I couldn’t take it.
Something from Braco’s website: Braco has never wished your worship or mine, nor has never claimed to be higher than, better than, purer than, worthier of this energy. He has shared that he is merely awakening or encouraging us, somehow, to fire up our own pilot lights – to blast the furnace of joy and share the Energy is there anyone who wishes it, for the enjoying, nurturing, and empowering.
Ruth
I think I looked this guy up quite a while ago.
> > (1) Are real miracles produced?
Miracles can happen every day.
> (2) Are the miracles created because Braco has special powers or something else?
Mind over Matter. What you think you create. Belief.
> (3) What is the something else???
Mass Hypnosis. Mass Faith. Mass Thought form.
These types of “healings” happen in some Churches also. When someone believes something enough and puts all their attention or focus on that point, then they can manifest that belief in their own body etc.
If Braco was a great healer and could heal everyone and anyone, then logically he would put all the medical profession out of business and all the drug companies would be able to close down, and people could just see him and get healed and the World would be a happier place. Hey?
Braco would also need to know the “Word” that Jesus used to heal people via the devic kingdom’s response to that word or symbol. Jesus also told the Disciples that same healing word. To know that Word to heal en masse, then that would place Braco as a Master.
What else did Jesus always say, when He healed people? “By your true faith ye are healed.”
Personally, I feel that if Braco was like Jesus and could heal by simply staring out into the crowd, then unless he was Jesus, he would most probably use this power to his advantage to generate millions of dollars for himself, because people do like to make money off of their special talents and gifts sometimes. Plus if he was like Jesus or any of the other Masters then he would use this power to probably gain enough money and support to help those who live in poverty etc.
One must also remember that these types of talents are Atlantean in their nature, practice and abilities within the lower psychic realms and that the Dark Side know a lot about magic also at the lower levels on Earth, because the Dark Lucifer once was a Light Lucifer.
If Braco heals en masse, then how does that work within the law of Karma? Many people do not get healed because of negative karma that they have incurred and the pain is a needed lesson, so if Braco heals all these people, then all these people must have had permission from their souls and the Lords of Karma to be healed.
Plus I do not remember reading anywhere that the Masters will appear and just heal hundreds of people whenever they want, but I have read that many people will be attracted to false prophets because of their “abilities” to be Christ like in their appearances and words etc.
So to properly judge Braco, one would have to take into consideration his words and works etc, but considering he does not speak and only sends out vibrational energy shows me that he could be using a type of hypnosis.
However, I will have another look at the guy again.
Cheri
The energy coming from Braco is so powerful that people bring photos of their loved ones and hold them up during the gazing’s. Some pretty amazing healings have happened to the people in these photos. People are being healed and cured (right after the gazing’s) and they didn’t even know who Braco was. They had no idea that their loved one had a photo of them held up during a gazing. How can it be the placebo effect when they didn’t even know about it?
Ruth Quoting Cheri
(2) Braco doesn’t claim to be a healer. He says he’s learned how to tap into powerful energy that he’s able to project out to others. He is also able to use everyone’s energy in the room and amplify it.
Ruth
Then there is your answer Cheri. If Braco is using everyones energy in the room to amplify that energy, then the effect will be a mass thought form and belief in them all being healed.
People wonder why it is the female who believes etc in this type of thing. Probably because the female is closest to the “matter” or “form” energy, because female energy “receives” and male energy “sends”.
Now if Braco was a woman “sending” to all these “receiving” females, would the effects be the same?
If we are here with JJ learning to gain soul contact and soul infusion so we can become white magicians and work with “form” in a positive Light, then the question to ask is how come Braco can just seemingly tap into some energy? For him to heal that miraculously he would need to tap into the Soul and then know how to use the sacred “Word”.
One must be careful when judging people who are like this, because if it is emotionally based, then it is not soul based and the Masters work via Soul and in a Molecular Relationship and would appeal to both the Heart and the Mind or just the Mind.
People follow blindly because they are not using their mind to logically answer the hard questions. People just want to either believe via their emotional responses, or not believe, and then there are the people who weigh up both sides of the equation rather than just follow animal instinct or their emotions.
Tom
Could it be hypnosis? Looking at anything including the eyes can put one in a trance. Some forms of healing’s are real such as reiki which I know 20 styles of. Can anyone give me a direct link to his glaze healing as I gone to his website and also search him on youtube only to find nothing but documentaries on him.
Dan
(1) Are real miracles produced? (2) Are the miracles created because Braco has special powers or something else? (3) What is the something else???
Depends on your definition of “real miracles”. If I can devote/believe myself into developing stigmata, I think that’s pretty miraculous. I would guess that many people have had the experience of being helped and as/if his fame continues to grow, many more are likely to be.
I think charisma or the ability to engender great belief/faith by your simple presence (or gaze) probably is a very special power.
Belief is very powerful as a focuser of thought and therefore energy.
If people feel helped I don’t much care. At best they feel better and at worst, unless he starts inciting violence/wrong-doing, their wallets are a little lighter and they end up a little wiser.
Ruth to Cheri
So do you believe that Braco is a Master?
Cheri
I absolutely believe that Braco is a Master. The energy I felt coming from him felt like my soul remembering.
Blayne:
Thanks for sharing Cheri I had not heard of this guy before and will check him out.
Id also like to remind folks that Christ also said if they are not against is they are for us.
I would reserve judgement on this guy till we can feel his energy and run it by our own soul.
If it is a thought-form so what, If it is helping folks, healing them and helping them feel more spiritual and focus on that then great. We are certainly in need of some mass healings in many areas.
Everything is a vibration or frequency perhaps he has just tuned into a higher vibration and in so doing can help others tune into it. A good sign so far is he is not making any claims and not asking for any devotion etc.
There are new energies coming into the earth to stimulate us to progress into the new age perhaps we ought to keep an open mind and seek the inner voice.
Cheri
Braco takes no money from the ticket sales. It’s used for the building rentals and production cost’s. He won’t even take donations. He’s from a wealthy family and he’s the only child. He’s not looking for people to worship him. He’s just sharing a gift he has.
They don’t have videos of gazing sessions on the web. I know they sell DVD’s on his website that has some gazing on it. Sterling did film about half of a session in HI when he didn’t know we weren’t suppose to. Maybe I can get him to post it here.
Blayne
There are several videos about him on youtube and I say you and Sterling in one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-7JHGHTMj0
I went to the site and definitely feel a peaceful energy and stimulation of the heart and throat chakra. I like that he is not saying anything and just being a conduit to stimulate energy on others.
After thousands of years and billions of written words humanity still doesn’t get it, so perhaps he is on to something 😉
I’d definitely go see him if I had the chance to really examine his energy.
I wouldn’t care he took some of the money to pay expenses etc. people need to make a living.
Matthew
Many people are receiving and seem to be helped by this gazing so if it helps them then that is a good thing. I see no harm in this at this point. However I do not believe he is a master for I believe a true Master would be teaching in a much different way than just gazing and then walking off a stage without a word. All in all it seems harmless and of course it always helps to come from a wealthy family and to be a young handsome man looking the part of a spiritual being as most perceive a spiritual being to look.
Sterling
Here’s the video I posted. I was asked to remove it because it is not professional enough.
I’ve made it available temporarily for you so you can see it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9TgJz60DTE
I’ll change it back to private in about a week.
I’ve been reading “21 Days with Braco” lately, and have found it very uplifting.
He doesn’t do this for money. The only charge is to cover venue expenses.
he doesn’t have any “teachings” to follow. It’s just the gift of his gaze that draws thousands of people to come to each appearance.
I had no idea what the “gazing session” was about that was listed on the conference schedule. It sounded kind of hokey to me. But after breakfast on the first day, as Cheri and I were walking around, we saw Braco and the crowd, with the music playing, and my soul was immediately attracted to what was going on there. I wanted to go down and join in the group. He has amazing energy, and the crowd adds to it, with there respect and quiet reverence for the healing / transformational power present.
Here’s the article about why Cheri and I were there: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2010:Top_10_Exotic_Free_Energy_Technologies_f\ or_Earth_Transformation_Conference
Susan
My definition of a miracle is a natural phenomena that we don’t have an explanation for yet.
I studied Braco at length last February through his websites, reading a book about him, tuning into him, and watching some youtubes as well as listening to Cheri’s experience. Meanwhile, I started studying Matrix Energetics about 3 months ago. The basis of that study is Physics. It is a well known fact that matter acts as a particle in one instance (something solid) and in the next can have properties like radio waves. It is called the observer effect. It is also known that at the quantum level time and space don’t exist. Matrix Energetics shows a possibility: if the observer “decides” to look at waves rather than particles and interact at the quantum level, differences may occur at the particle level. Energetics doesn’t claim to know or do or be anything other than a possibility.
I believe what the Matrix website states about itself is also true of Braco:
begin quote: There is nothing physical – Instant change is possible
We teach from the premise that we are spirit living in a physical body; that we can access a reality that is no longer limiting and instantaneous change at the speed of light is possible – We introduce time travel and other techniques. These techniques enable us to access the lattice of information in new ways to affect change. The process of conceptualizing an energetic interaction as needing manipulation of a muscle or bone, repeated therapy or the running of energy, etc. limits transformation’s speed, intensity, potential and depth of expression. Seeing change as something which entails a mechanical process slows down the observer’s reality. Something that potentially can be instantaneous slows to a process that conforms to your previous therapeutic expectations.
Matrix Energetics creates a state by which transformation can materialize. The more you trust, the greater your wave, the greater your experience of transformation — just remember though that the description of energy and matter as composed of waves describes and allows you through the power of focused intent to enter into a non-consensus reality in which the product of your imagined outcome can encode and imprint on consciousness in such a way that physical observable changes become the product. You’re creating an altered state, a different reality, which you energize and give life to with your active imagination. And it can all happen now.
end quote
I studied Cognitive Psychology in college and had I stayed in that field I was considering studying the placebo effect as I considered it the most important thing to occur in human psychology. If the mind can do miracles why not learn to repeat THAT without all the other stuff? So to say that something is the placebo effect as a way to discount it is shortsighted in my opinion. The exciting thing is that the mind is capable of so much!!
I believe Richard Bartlett and Braco are showing the rest of us what we are all capable of doing and are only considered miracles because we don’t fully understand how the quantum field works.
I will tell you a miracle I was involved in in January. A vet has a degenerative disease and had to have one leg removed just above the knee. He was due to have the other one amputated after a year of no pulse in his foot. A group of us did various Matrix Energetics therapies on him over a period of 2-3 weeks. He said he did not believe in woo woo stuff but it couldn’t hurt anything. He had his last therapy with a friend Emily before his doctor appt. It was the final appt before being admitted to the hospital the following day for the amputation. Emily asked if he noticed any differences. He said it was easier to stand up and sit down and then off he went to the doc. They found a pulse in his foot, and deep vein action. FIVE doctors came in and looked at him trying to figure out how his leg started regenerating. It started to feel warm to the touch instead of cold. They cancelled the operation. Was he deluded, did the placebo effect occur or was it a miracle? Who the heck cares. He has his leg.
I can vouch for Cheri’s back problems and the fact that she worked hard this year physically at Safe Haven with little to no back pain. She would not have been able to do anything close to that kind of physical labor before.
The proof is in the pudding. I am seeing people’s lives changing for the better. I believe that the more we play in the quantum field the better we will get at regenerating and healing. Braco is giving freely of himself to better the world. He is foregoing family time. He used to speak to crowds about what he was doing but it started to create controversy and hero worship so he quit talking. I have felt some very real energies during Matrix Energetics sessions. I have been there and watched as very interesting things emotionally and physically occurred. There is much to learn about the capacity of our minds. What a wonderful experiment we could have by watching to see if such an experience can be had through media rather than just in person in this Braco gazing.
Larry W
Ruth said, “If Braco is using everyone’s energy in the room to amplify that energy, then the effect will be a mass thought form and belief in them all being healed.”
Larry Woods asks,
We discuss the idea of group thoughtform here quite often. We ascribe great power to it (this in itself constitutes a group thoughtform among us). So if group thoughtforms are so powerful and if they get even more power when more people subscribe to it, then I say we are in trouble. For example, traditional Christians believe God will wipe out the wicked in order to begin the Millennium. They do not merely believe this passively but they pour a lot of emotional energy, hope, prayer, teaching time, and exultation into this thoughtform strengthening it all the more. They believe it so deep, it is a foregone conclusion to them. So will these traditionalist thoughts reach out and touch someone? Will they wind up psychically murdering 90% or more of earth inhabitants with their thoughts? This is certainly powerfully injected with emotion, persistent over many years, and consistent among a very wide group of people. So does this create an unstoppable force demanding fulfillment? And, if it does, then what about the Moslem thoughtform that says they will dominate the planet eventually pushing all others off or forcing them to conform to Islamic rules of worship and accept the leadership of their great Imam whom they believe will be reborn to lead all people of earth and to vanquish those who do not accept his inevitable leadership? I point out that this other thoughtform is backed by a great many more souls than the traditional Christian one. Who wins?
I could go on giving other examples of hardened thoughtforms supported by vast numbers of people who throw strong astral energy into it in the form of religious fervor but these samples suffice for my point. But I suppose I should also touch base on another category of thoughtforms widely held and crystallized. For example, science embodies many thoughtforms. One that is shared by traditional science as well as politics is the idea of licensure. The dominating thoughtform in our world right now, on this subject, is that all practice of medicine, or any other profession for that matter, must come under the strict control and permission of the state and cannot be trusted to individuals making their own decisions whenever their lives touch professional services in any way. This domineering thoughtform places all our formal services totally under the control of governing administrators, judges, and legislators. We face the whole idea of practicing without a license any time we step out of bounds and attempt to heal someone. The government strictly forbids us to get our hands on medicines without going through a licensed doctor. The same goes for engineering, accounting, atonement, and all other so-called professional services. This thoughtform defines a huge portion of all we think of as government.
Why place the population under the requirement of licenses? Are we not free to do as we please as long as we do it without coercion? Well, the benefit they get from forcing you to sign a license contract is this: All law in America must derive from self evident truth and not from arbitrary rules or requirements. We strictly required this in our contract which formed our state called, The Declaration of Independence. In that document we stated several requirements for government. Then we stated that if the state fails to deliver on these requirements we will kill them. Then we showed evidence that King George of England had failed to support our minimum standard and thus we justified killing him (his representatives). Our purpose, at the beginning of the Declaration of Independence, was to let the world know WHY we were killing King George.
Though we required that all law in America derive from self evident truth, today all America is totally controlled by a vast network of interacting and totally arbitrary rules called licenses. You see, there exists only two types of law,
1) Commercial law or contract law
2) Natural law or criminal law.
The first is totally arbitrary based upon arbitrary agreements made between two or more parties. These agreements include all manner of arbitrary arrangements such as, “this contract only valid on Wednesdays”. We see such arbitrary restrictions throughout contract law. These arbitrary requirement need not stem from self evident truth at all but only answer to totally arbitrary agreements. Many people complain, for example, that the language within their insurance policies makes them almost meaningless because the restrictions end up discounting nearly all of life so they basically NEVER pay off. We all deal with the arbitrariness and narrowness of commercial contracts in many different context in our lives, including licenses, which are commercial contracts. Many people do not realize that when they sign a license, such as a marriage license, driver license, social security card, or any other license, they are signing a commercial contract and thus placing all their actions within this field of action under the arbitrary control of the state, from which they would have naturally been free, except within the workings of criminal law or natural law based upon self evident truth. So, you see, licenses allows the state to get totally arbitrary despite our requirement which we stipulated in our founding contract to create the state. So now you see why the state can act so very arbitrary in matters such as family law (marriage licenses are commercial contracts which bring sex, children, and all possessions and actions within the marriage contract as arbitrarily defined by state legislatures under total state control which are not required to conform to “self-evident” eternal words), business law (business licenses are commercial contracts), medicine (a vast series of commercial contracts in the form of licenses for practice and further complicated by a myriad of private contracts – ALL arbitrary and bearing not requirement of self evident truth), and in every other field of human endeavor. In fact, I cannot think of even one area of action or of interaction which is not totally covered by license in America. The overall effect of this licensure blanket, sometimes called the “social contract”, is that ALL you do is now subject to totally arbitrary rules and requirements from government – through the cover of license, they absconded your natural rights!!
Conversely, natural law or criminal law totally depends upon self evident truth and cannot be arbitrary in any way. But before you start thinking at least your rights are safe in criminal court (as opposed to a commercial court), let me burst your bubble. The criminal courts are now completely run through license these days. Even murder trials nowadays ultimately come under jurisdiction and practice of commercial law. I won’t go into a whole bunch of technical and detailed examples but I will provide a few broad brush strokes to make my case.
First, judges nowadays overturn the verdicts of juries. In real criminal law they could not do this. I know you’ve seen reports of this from time to time. Second, juries are not allowed to decide upon the law but only the facts. In a lawful jury proceeding, as opposed to commercial jury (“lawful” refers to Constitutional requirements while “legal” refers to commercial law requirements), the jurists decide the law and the facts because they are the sovereign. But, instead, juries these days are cut off from exercising their rightful power by judges who narrowly confine their duties and who narrowly control their exposure to the facts.
Third (could be counted as part of the second point), judges presume to limit the information allowed to be shown to a jury. Obviously if they recognized the sovereignty of the jurists (juries came into existence based upon the theory that kings can only be judged by a jury of their peers – truly free people being kings and queens within their own households) they could not presume to limit their information. Then the judge carefully constructs a very narrow principle of law or tradition which he allows the jury to address in considering the case. Obviously, if the judge decides what information you are allowed to consider and also which very narrow principle or tradition you are allowed to use when judging those limited facts, then the judge is prescribing your conclusions. And then, if you disagree with the judge, he overturns your decision anyway. The original Constitution of America requires (not an Amendment but original language) that the verdict of a jury cannot be overturned. We did this based upon the successful model of the Magna Charta. The purpose of this provision was to made sure the state did not take back control of law from the people. The purpose of juries in the first place was to place ultimate control of law in the hands of the common people and to wrench it away from the king or state. Jefferson said, referring to the original intended power of juries and not to today’s watered-down and impotent juries, that the jury system was the greatest protection against the tyranny of government ever conceived by the mind of man. But now we’ve lost this greatest protection. I could go into how this came about but that is beyond my current purpose.
This licensure thoughtform, so ardently endorsed and supported by the state and by all their loyal adherents, controls and defines all our civic relationships today. This powerful thoughtform controls and strait jackets people all over the world too, not just in America. Remember when DK said one aspect of increased maturity was to upgrade the nature of evil? Quite a seed thought. Well, the evil of totalitarian arbitrary state control did not die, it merely grew way more sophisticated. Now we enjoy the appearance of freedom while being actually wholly subjugated. By “appearance of freedom” what I mean to say is that we do not operate as truly free people who only answer to self evident truth (eternal words) in any aspect of our lives any more. We, instead, are totally subjugated to the arbitrary requirements the state decides through their licensure procedures.
Wow, that was quite a digression into the ideas about licenses; back to the original discussion. Discussing this with my brother, Stu, he pointed out that the seemingly powerful thoughtforms of traditional Christianity and of Islam, although held by large groups and supported by ardent prayer and hope etc., suffer a fatal flaw which largely negates the mystical power of the thoughtform mechanism: they are based upon fear. Stu makes as good point. Perhaps fear, so real and so powerful here on the physical plane, does not motivate much on progressively higher planes. So this dynamic short circuits much of the power from these seemingly powerful thoughtforms. They succeed, but their success is temporary. This idea, in turn, implies that thoughtforms based upon truth (self evident eternal words), faith (JS said true faith can only be exercised upon true principles and cannot exist based upon error regardless of how much energy people throw at it), and love (higher Christ love) wield far more power and ring out loud not only in our physical world but also in the astral and mental realms and above, thus packing far more potent influence. One aspect of this is that the higher thoughtform of true freedom can only be entertained by more highly matured people, which already exponentially multiplies their power in the law of attraction.
I am already convinced that JJ, with eyes wide open, laid groundwork for many important thoughtforms of teaching, organization, and spiritual help using all the principles of the law of attraction. I believe he also incorporates and uses the male/female principles of creation in energizing these advanced thoughtforms. I believe part of the gathering of lights, which he has begun, purposes to teach us how to get on board and how to add our personal power of attraction to his. I believe the birthing process of this thoughtform of ultimate freedom will grow and grow as more and more people come to understand it and to energize it with their truth, belief, hope, and service. I believe Sanat, himself, supports this work as portrayed in JJ’s “fiction” series, The Immortal.
The power of fiction, especially fantasy and science fiction, is that it removes the reader to a new place of thought where they can open to wholly different ASSUMPTIONS. By this mechanism, fiction writers get many people to consider new ideas or old ideas from a new perspective in ways which people could not endure except in the “fiction” setting. And JJ is a very good fiction writer. I think music and art does this too – which is why I keep trying to write songs that glorify these ideas. I am very pleased to get on board as we fuel the Gathering thoughtform with enthusiasm, prayer, hope, work, concept explorations, right understanding of history, an attitude of accepting correction, friendships, and all the power we can muster using the purest of motives which we can attain on every existential plane.
Your brother, Larry Woods
PS on another subject, Cheri, forgive me for using such a coarse analogy about Rush Limbaugh. And let me say that, although I believe Braco’s power ultimately stems from the placebo effect, that does not necessarily mean it is bad. The placebo effect stimulates and opens us to healing powers within our own selves which can reach all the way up to our higher selves and, therefore, potentially taps all the power available to even the highest Master to heal. [Maybe I will eat those words someday when facing some great healing miracle done by a Master but do I believe that right now.]
Blayne said
, “I wouldn’t care he took some of the money to pay expenses etc. people need to make a living.”
Larry W
This has been a sticking point for me. In the Mormon Church, where I got much of my spiritual training, we would lay on hands and attempt to heal through faith. No Mormon would ever dream of charging for this service, even though I, and probably every Mormon, can point to instances where these healings brought real power and resulted in real healings. I still have total faith in this process and will gladly send healing power to any of you at any time without price.
However, as a carpenter, I also use power granted to me by God through may study, practice, and service. I charge for that service so I can, as Blayne mentioned, earn a living. What is the difference between these two? If I devoted full time to giving out healing blessing, which involves usually a personal visit and laying on of hands and pronouncing of a blessing etc. (includes time and effort and gas for car and more), then how would I afford gas and food and rent and etc? Why is it ok to charge money for carpentry but not for healing or for any other “spiritual” service? Is this an arbitrary and unrealistic standard? Is it perfectly ok for people to charge money for “readings” and “healings” and other such spiritual service? Somehow it still strikes me as wrong to charge for it but examining all the possibilities, perhaps that is merely my former religious commitment raring up in my thoughts.
This guy, Braco, charges for his sessions. I do not know how much it costs to see him but if you got healed by attending a $50 meeting, that sure beats paying a doctor bill! I have asked this before but never got a clear cut opinion out of any of you. What do you think? Can you provide new food for thought to help me reconcile this conundrum? Was it JJ who said charging money for spiritual service provides a powerful clue they are not connected to the BOL? Why do I feel like I instinctively distrust anyone who charges money for spiritual service?
Susan
Braco doesn’t charge anything. There are people who volunteer to put on events and they pay for the events. Braco shows up for free.
Larry W Let me talk about faith healing and other matters of spiritual power since we examine that in this thread. When I became a Mormon (forgive me for continually going back to that context but it defines 39.5 years of my thinking about spiritual stuff so it forms my earlier frame of reference and eventually it grew into my spiritual thinking of today) I studied the Book of Mormon. At first it seemed like a drag to read this heavy 500+ page book. But my belief and acceptance in JS drew me forward. I found that you could never plum its depths by merely reading it once. Just as I found with other books that recorded the distilled wisdom of the wisest men from many generations, there was a lot of depth that you probably miss the first time through and there was much you would discover the 20th time through. As I read I found many ideas to stir my thinking. Many of those things I did not understand. I still seek answers to many of those ideas and questions today.
For example, I questioned the idea of baptism. The Book of Mormon discusses baptism in many places. But I wondered why God would require such a thing and if it was a requirement on other worlds too. The Mormons, of course, believe it is just as much a natural law as gravity – but I questioned that. As I kept an open mind and searched for the ultimate answer to this question, I explored many related ideas. One idea is that baptism provides a psychological touch-stone, much like a signature on a contract, signifying acceptance of an authority relationship and of a rule set. This was and is sufficient reason to implement such a practice. But I still could not determine if it was an eternal law among all of God’s children at all times and in all places like gravity or like the principle of the lever. So far, it seems to me to be a tradition of the BOL. Yes, I believe the BOL can adopt traditions.
To get at my point here, let me explore one more conundrum I faced as a Mormon. Priesthood. What is Priesthood? Is it power? Is it administrative organization? Is it eternal? What is it? I finally concluded that the Priesthood as practiced by the Mormon Church is an investiture of power conveyed by the acceptance of those over whom it wields organizational power. In other words, it derives its power from the consent of the governed, just as any organizational power does. But does it also enjoy special support from God or from the BOL or from any lesser group? Well, it enjoys power as a thoughtform among Mormons. That coalesces some spiritual power right there. But does it also enjoy support from a higher group? I concluded, after nearly 40 years of researching, practicing, and pondering, that it does not.
But what about the very real healings which I witnessed and occasionally participated in? Well, such healings also occur among Baptists, Buddhists, and any others who, through their prayers, give permission to God and also among all who serve God whether in or out of any organization to help them and others to heal. I believe this permission then opens the door for a host of spirit beings to help you heal. They (non-mortals) cannot help you if you do not ask because they labor under a strict requirement not to interfere with free agency. Hence the famous axiom, “You receive not because you ask not.” I believe that any mortal can give permission for any other mortal to receive spiritual assistance from spiritual beings in the form of various devas and from other inhabitants of spiritual realms – some of which are more familiar to our conscious minds like our departed loved ones. I believe, on the other hand, that a purely spiritual being is restricted from giving such permission for mortals because of God’s unerring commitment to free agency. I believe that some of our mortal prayers, of a more general nature, can be also get use by these spirit workers to heal or to otherwise help someone who, for example, is unconscious or who is too hard headed so they do not pray for themselves. So our generalized prayers for the good of mankind do not languish unutilized and also accrue to an important service creating a reservoir of permission (good will); harder to use (being less specific it carries less power) but available if needed. I believe permission constitutes one of the strongest aspects of prayer. And, as you see here, I believe our heartfelt prayers for the good of mankind do not get lost in the eternal scheme of things.
So for Mormon Priesthood, I concluded that they heal and provide other spiritual help by the same means as any other group by applying the principles of faith and of permission. All other power enjoyed by Mormon Priesthood holders derives from and only pertains to their followers, just as any other organized religion or group. I was able to recognize, after 40 years of diligent study and practice, no other source of power within that Priesthood. I can say this even though I experienced communication with spiritual beings from time to time and witnessed and participated in various miracles from time to time. None of them were exclusive and all of those experiences could and do occur among other religions and even, occasionally, among the non-religious. Therefore there is nothing exclusive to any one group. God loves us all and answers the prayer of faith from ANY of His/Her children by mobilizing His/Her resources which includes all beings of good will on the other side of the mortal veil.
Which also implies the problem of spiritual ill-will. Some people dabble in ill-will and permissions pertaining to formalizing ill-will. We call this a curse rather than a blessing. These can be real and some of us suffer ill effects from this. We can counteract this quite simply by giving permission to God to heal us and to protect us from such curses. I believe some people can curse others even when they do not intend to do so, though there are idiots out there who intentionally do this. Have you cursed anyone? Knowingly or unknowingly? An unintentional curse comes about like this example: Someone gets mad at someone else and they then entertain thoughts of retribution and of punishment etc. For example, when I was younger, I often found myself imagining my supposed enemies coming to harm, driving over a cliff or getting injured or sick or me clobbering them with a fist in the face. Then I would feel emotionally satisfied that they have this coming and the universe will see to it. My physical body liked these visualizations and, I believe, they were largely testosterone driven. Probably such feelings and musings served primitive man quite well enabling him to role play the destruction of his enemies. This constitutes a thought form energized by powerful emotion. This evokes, therefore, the law of attraction. It’s a good thing I was not born already spiritually well endowed or many people would have driven over cliffs. I eventually caught on to this mind trap that keeps us thinking and feeling negative and I began to purposefully shunt my thoughts and feelings and visualizations to those of goodwill. My Dad provided a great example in this. He would correct me whenever I expressed hope that so and so would crash and burn. His example and training, though he remained non-religious all his life, greatly benefitted me in so very many ways. Thanks, Dad! Bottom line about curses, the surest way to deal with it is to enlist help from more powerful beings on the other side of the veil through prayer. I would say this (defense and help against curses) is one of the primary functions where you can expect good help from your assigned (you agreed to this assignment before you were born) spiritual support “team”, as Sharón calls them or guardian angels as some others call them.
At any rate the workings of faith and managing cause and effect through spiritual means seems to be a right that belongs to all sons and daughters of God and does not seem confined to any one group.
If Braco inspires more faith and healing and good will, then more power to him.
Your brother, Larry Woods
PS, I am happy to hear, Susan, that Broco apparently does not do this for money. I still would like someone to take a stab at answering my previous question about charging money for spiritual service.
Ruth quoting me:
“One of the goals of the New Jerusalem meditation is to create a healing center that can reach those on the list who are beyond our physical contact. This is far from perfected, yet in our infant state we can still send some healing energy by using the meditation given out so far.”
https://freeread.com/archives/567.html
Ruth
I have some more questions; If Braco is a Master, then why isn’t he working in co-ordination with JJ (who also works for the Christ), as well, and incorporating his healing skills and helping JJ and all of us here and all the Israelites around the World? Or why hasn’t JJ got Braco to appear at his gatherings so he can heal all the people at the gathering and all the others around the World? I could sure use some healing energy after being in constant daily pain for nearly 30 years.
Why do we have to wait for the New Jerusalem meditation to work, if healing can be done by Braco and is so easy to obtain? Is there lower healing and then higher healing?
How does this type of mass healing fit in with Karma?
Wouldn’t the Masters co-ordinate their plans with each other first within the Hierarchy before they reappear on Earth to work?
I would imagine that parents around the World would want to take their kids that had the worst disabilities along to Braco’s healing sessions to be healed? Have any of these types of healings been documented about kid’s walking again who have been in wheelchairs or those kids with cancer? Surely if he could heal these types of dis-eases then he would be on national television and people all over the World would be flocking to his healing sessions.
I am not trying to sound cynical, but this type of mass healing opens up a huge amount of questions within me which would need logical answers because if Braco has that type of energy and ability to heal, and heal anyone who comes to his healing session, and those who do not attend, then how does this all fit in with the Laws of Karma which are natural laws. Or is his healing restricted to only particular humans and not others?
Jesus could heal those that believed in him, but he also talked about what he was doing or why it took place etc.
I believe that soul recognition can be automatic, but still should be backed up with logic and common sense, because there is the inner small voice of the soul, and the higher mind connection and then there is a lower solar plexus and heart feeling that can feel like soul contact.
If you put Braco next to Chris Nemelka, the two kind of look the same, long blonde hair and an appealing, charming face. Would all the Masters appear like this? If so, then why bother gaining soul contact if they all just look the same in appearance and we could recognize them all just by their long, blonde hair and charming, appealing faces.
I just watched this video, and to be honest I didn’t feel anything from Braco, and all the people looked like they were under an emotional spell and one guy was amazed and said he saw him shape shift. That didn’t appeal to me because the dark side can shape shift and why would the Masters want to shape shift because they would show their true self, not change appearances all the time?
Maybe I am just not “spiritual” enough to recognize a master?
Does JJ shape shift in his appearance when he holds a healing session?
It is an important point to remember here guys, that the Dark Brotherhood can influence the lower mind and emotional body of humanity and can do healings on par with the Light Brotherhood through the use of influencing the elemental life forms and Devas, because the Lucifer that fell had all the ancient knowledge that the Light Lucifers had. Jesus told us to be wary of false prophets and the Dark side can look just as seemingly “Light” in their appearances when they want to lure humanity with their magic.
I looked at his Symbol and it is very intense, but it doesn’t feel good to me and it really affects right eye, so either he is way too high up for me or he is influenced by something that does not appeal to me.
http://www.braco.net/?p=724
Although I try to keep an open mind, I do not “feel” what Cheri feels about him.
JJ Quote
“Point 3. Natural Law, which was not created by God but by cause and effect, which creates the very life of God, does not negate free will but allows for the maximum free will possible. Free will, will always choose the good the beautiful and the true in the end.
Johann
Intelligence created the same hydrogen atoms at one end of the universe as the other for the foundation of matter. This is because intelligence everywhere discovered that this is the foundation that must exist if a universe such as ours is to be. This happened because of freewill, not because it does not exist.” https://freeread.com/archives/2702
This is something I wanted to ask for a long time.
If atoms and matter is the foundation of the universe, relatively perfected in a previous solar system and/or universe or in other words a different incarnation of this system and/or universe, then how was matter perfected in the first place?
What I mean is that you want to build a good car but you have a problem, you do not have any tools to build the car with and the tools are made of matter and you do not have any tools to make the tools that make the car. No matter how far we go back in the progression of the universes this fundamental problem remains.
Matter must have had a beginning and if so how did it come into existence?
JJ
Looks like this guy has turned out to create some interest here.
You’ve given some good response to my questions. Now let us take it a step further.
Take a look at these videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzMn10Wjm4o&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZcJlwqD-PY&feature=related
Now put all preconceptions aside and answer as if this is the first time you’ve seen Braco.
Do your best to tune into his soul and tell me what you pick up from his vibration. Contemplate such things as
His motive? Does he have any purpose other than healing? Is he sincere? What is his vibration like? Is he special or did he just hit on a unique healing technique or both? What kind of energies does he work with – astral, heart, mental…? Tell us any other impressions you received?
Did you notice that when people thought he was looking at them that he was not really looking at them? What was he really looking at?
Blayne
DK says there are many disciples all over the world more so then any time in in history. Each will have thier area. JJ’s main mission is to give out teachings. It is interesting the Braco does not give out teachings don’t you think? I am not saying he is connected to the BOL or not, but maybe he is just following the highest he knows.
Why not give him the benefit of the doubt?
Here is a possibility to consider; in my experience I have been sharing JJ’s teachings for about 12 years and very few people have become interested as a result. JJ’s teachings appeal to people on a more mental level then most. But the masses seem to not care they want a quick fix if they are seeking spiritual things at all. A lot of people are hurting now and in their heart have been hoping for some sort of relief of many things going on. Perhaps Someone like Braco is sent to them to give them some comfort and hope that God has not forgotten them and to help prepare them for higher things.
> Why do we have to wait for the New Jerusalem meditation to work, if healing can be done by Braco and is so easy to obtain? Is there lower healing and then higher healing? >
Does it matter if it works? Even temporarily?
> How does this type of mass healing fit in with Karma? >
Why worry about it isn’t that the Lords of karmas job?
> Wouldn’t the Masters co-ordinate their plans with each other first within the Hierarchy before they reappear on Earth to work? >
How do you know they didn’t? DK and JJ say to run it by the soul so disciples can recognize each other. But that doesn’t mean they all will know each others mission etc.
I think that was the purpose of JJs questions also. So perhaps it is best to keep an open mind instead of trying to fit him into a preconceived box of our own making
> I would imagine that parents around the World would want to take their kids that had the worst disabilities along to Braco’s healing sessions to be healed? Have any of these types of healings been documented about kid’s walking again who have been in wheelchairs or those kids with cancer? Surely if he could heal these types of dis-eases then he would be on national television and people all over the World would be flocking to his healing sessions. >
Sounds like he is moving in that direction supposedly 200,000 a year see him and he is now trying to do it with electronic media to reach more. Some of the stories I heard on some of the youtubes were pretty miraculous. And Of course we have Cheri telling us right here how she was healed of a pretty debilitating condition she has had all her life. Also perhaps karma is at work as I am sure there are some who were not healed too.
One of the things about healing is that you have to be willing to accept it also. Also some of the seekers who have much pain and suffering in this life may be paying off karma so they can be free to serve in the next life.
> I am not trying to sound cynical, but this type of mass healing opens up a huge amount of questions within me which would need logical answers because if Braco has that type of energy and ability to heal, and heal anyone who comes to his healing session, and those who do not attend, then how does this all fit in with the Laws of Karma which are natural laws. Or is his healing restricted to only particular humans and not others? >
I haven’t heard any claims yet that everyone who attends is healed so I would assume there may be some that are not. I am sure as he gets more popular some will come forward to say they were not.
> Jesus could heal those that believed in him, but he also talked about what he was doing or why it took place etc. >
They said he used to speak at first but that it caused a lot of controversy so he stopped. I actually like that part. What a new concept. Guy comes along does not give out any teachings just stimulates energy in folks and they do what they will with it and many are healed, genius! LOL!
> I believe that soul recognition can be automatic, but still should be backed up with logic and common sense, because there is the inner small voice of the soul, and the higher mind connection and then there is a lower solar plexus and heart feeling that can feel like soul contact. > > If you put Braco next to Chris Nemelka, the two kind of look the same, long blonde hair and an appealing, charming face. Would all the Masters appear like this? If so, then why bother gaining soul contact if they all just look the same in appearance and we could recognize them all just by their long, blonde hair and charming, appealing faces. >
Your connecting him to nemelka seems to suggest you have already decided about him.
> I just watched this video, and to be honest I didn’t feel anything from Braco, and all the people looked like they were under an emotional spell and one guy was amazed and said he saw him shape shift. That didn’t appeal to me because the dark side can shape shift and why would the Masters want to shape shift because they would show their true self, not change appearances all the time? >
Well you have to be open to the possibility first, it sounds to me like he doesn’t fit your preconceived idea and so you are looking for excuses to dismiss him. Don’t take that the wrong way that is just how it appears to me looking in from the outside. I am sure there is more going on then just the appearance, so just my observation take it for what it’s worth.
> Maybe I am just not “spiritual” enough to recognize a master? >
I often wonder if I am or not myself.
> Does JJ shape shift in his appearance when he holds a healing session? >
That was just some guys opinion. People like to sensationalise things. I prefer to judge for myself.
> > It is an important point to remember here guys, that the Dark Brotherhood can influence the lower mind and emotional body of humanity and can do healings on par with the Light Brotherhood through the use of influencing the elemental life forms and Devas, because the Lucifer that fell had all the ancient knowledge that the Light Lucifers had. Jesus told us to be wary of false prophets and the Dark side can look just as seemingly “Light” in their appearances when they want to lure humanity with their magic. >
Which s why we need to seek the inner voice. In JJs first book he dreamed about being in a room with evil spirits and there was a door and he fled the room and there was a being all peaceful in there claiming to be John and the evil ones did not follow. But he realized the peace he felt was not the inner peace that surpasses all understanding therefore new it was a ruse to deceive him. I don’t think the dark brotherhood can emulate the light as well as the BOL. They can fool someone who has never heard the inner voice but not one who has if they listen to it.
> > Although I try to keep an open mind, I do not “feel” what Cheri feels about him. >
Well you haven’t had the chance to experience his energy yet like Cheri has so perhaps it is best to reserve judgement till then? I have not made any firm decisions on him myself either but so far I see no harm in what he is doing and would love to experience his energy so I can discern for myself.
Even if one decided he is a master then what? He doesn’t give out teachings and asks for no devotions. I find that a rather refreshing approach. Sure he could be setting people up for something down the road but until some actual evidence shows up to that effect he seems to actually be helping a lot of folks focus thier energies for healing and seeking.
As Christ said those that are for us are not against us…
My 3 cents
Ruth
Do your best to tune into his soul and tell me what you pick up from his vibration. Contemplate such things as > > His motive?
He says he is not a healer, so what is his motive then? It says at his website that:
“He has dedicated his life to awaken all those positive and beautiful feelings and energies, which we all carry in ourselves and to help ill, sad and hopeless people….”
> Does he have any purpose other than healing?
Probably….doesn’t every one have a purpose or rather a desire motivated by self?
> Is he sincere?
Yes….he is sincere in what he is doing.
> What is his vibration like?
I am trying to put away my preconceptions, but he just reminds me of Chris N for some reason.
Oh, here is the reason apart from his face and hair:
“Braco did not realize that he was borne to be the one to carry on with Ivica´s work until the people of the community came to tell him again and again that they felt this power in him, and that he should try to help them.”
http://www.braco.net/?page_id=152
Hmmmm, I heard something similar to this from Chris Nemelka proclaiming that he was the chosen one to help humans.
> Is he special or did he just hit on a unique healing technique or both?
He has been trained.
> What kind of energies does he work with – astral, heart, mental…?
Astral and heart.
> Tell us any other impressions you received?
1st video:
He stands with his hands closed and to the sides of his body.
The people seemed affected by him astrally/emotionally.
I have a feeling that these people that they interviewed probably belong to the Agape Church, as they appeared to be Churchie influenced.
Many Churchie people always seem to me to have a big smile on their faces and look like they just won a million bucks.
> > Did you notice that when people thought he was looking at them that he was not really looking at them? What was he really looking at? >
Probably nothing or their solar plexus chakra.
I did not feel comfortable looking at this video and had to stop it midway. He is too intense, but not in a nice way. One of his eyes is pulled inwards towards his nose (I think the left eye). If this is a Master, then I have no soul contact it seems. He may be overshadowed or possessed by Ivica Prokic, his original teacher, and in two photos in the first video he seemed to look nearly Indian in his appearance or aura. He probably is being overshadowed by Ivica:
I believe that one would have to study Ivica in more detail to understand Braco, and that is what I shall do.
Ruth quoting Blayne
DK says there are many disciples all over the world more so then any time in in history. Each will have thier area. JJ’s main mission is to give out teachings. It is interesting the Braco does not give out teachings don’t you think? I am not saying he is connected to the BOL or not, but maybe he is just following the highest he knows. > > Why not give him the benefit of the doubt?
Ruth I had looked into this Draco man a few years ago and I still feel the same way about him now that I did then.
> > Does it matter if it works? Even temporarily?
Yes it does matter to me, and according to the quote from the Encyclopedic Theosophical Glossary I gave in my post.
This is how people become attracted to that which is from the not self.
Either the Theosophical Glossary is lying or Braco is a false prophet or he really is a Master etc.
> > > How does this type of mass healing fit in with Karma? > > > > Why worry about it isn’t that the Lords of karmas job?
Because when one learns the Truth, one also learns what to look for within the lower bodies and what illusions can stand out.
I do not accept anything without doing research into it and going via my higher self.
> > How do you know they didn’t? DK and JJ say to run it by the soul so disciples can recognize each other. But that doesn’t mean they all will know each others mission etc.
Disciples do not always recognize each other, however, the plan is the same plan regardless of what mission those Disciples are on and the plan has a blueprint or signature vibration to it.
> > > > Sounds like he is moving in that direction supposedly 200,000 a year see him and he is now trying to do it with electronic media to reach more. Some of the stories I heard on some of the youtubes were pretty miraculous. And Of course we have Cheri telling us right here how she was healed of a pretty debilitating condition she has had all her life. Also perhaps karma is at work as I am sure there are some >who were not healed too.
Well according to the Glossary, it is rather dangerous and does not help to have these types of healings done, and one will have to get that same karma back in the next lifetime.
> > > Your connecting him to nemelka seems to suggest you have already decided about him.
I am quite open to changing my mind about him, however, one must put all the pieces together to see how they fit. Why would Masters come back looking similar in appearance. Does this mean that Jesus and the Christ will look like Braco. This is where one must be really careful about what one taps into, such as that thought form, because it can be a trap and a wrong turn on the path.
> > > > > Well you have to be open to the possibility first, it sounds to me like he doesn’t fit your preconceived idea and so you are looking for excuses to dismiss him. Don’t take that the wrong way that is just how it appears to me looking in from the outside. I am sure there is more going on then just the appearance, so just my observation take it for >what it’s worth.
I have no pre conceived idea about what any Master would look like. I go on their vibration and words and works. The Two Witnesses. As Draco has no words and only works, then he has one witness, not two.
It seems that you have little faith in my judgement also. However, if I was wrong, I would be the first to accept that and look at other possibilities.
> > Which s why we need to seek the inner voice.
I know all about seeking the inner voice Blayne 🙂
> > > > > Although I try to keep an open mind, I do not “feel” what Cheri feels about him. > > > > Well you haven’t had the chance to experience his energy yet like Cheri has so perhaps it is best to reserve judgement till then? I have not made any firm decisions on him myself either but so far I see no harm in what he is doing and would love to experience his energy so I can discern for myself.
I don’t want to experience his energy. I saw him on You Tube. I wasn’t impressed.
Matthew I keep coming back to the fact that there is nothing being taught here. All of his gazing is based in the emotional/astral which is associated with the Piscean age which is now passing as we move into the Aquarian age, the age of the mental. His vibration is low and centered in the emotional astral. It is possible that this could be an experiment to see how many can still be gathered and influenced by the astral/emotional energies of the past. This information would benefit the powers that be because there are many who are still attached to the astral/emotional as we see in the videos. Whether or not he does not take money for these gazing’s is real not an issue for me but I have read there is still a charge for this so the money must go somewhere, the question is where and into whose pocket.It is interesting that he is not really looking at anybody but just seems to gazing just above the crowd. One last comment is that it would be interesting to see him go to say, ST. Judes hospital in Memphis and gaze at the terminally ill children and see what effect if any he would have on them. ST Judes is a non-profit hospital and works only by donations of free will.
Cheri
Children and pregnant women in the third trimester aren’t allowed in gazing sessions. They say the energy is just too much. But people can take pictures of their kids or pregnant partner to hold up during the gazing. I have heard of child healings in some of the youtube videos I’ve watched. Also a paraplegic (adult) got up out of his wheelchair and walked out of a gazing. People have also had brain and other caner’s cured after gazing’s.
Ruth
I have a feeling that these people that they interviewed probably belong to the Agape Church, as they appeared to be Churchie influenced.
Many Churchie people always seem to me to have a big smile on their faces and look like they just won a million bucks.
Cheri
We’ll yes you do feel like you’ve won a million bucks after a gazing! It’s an incredibly peaceful, full of love feeling. Actually in the link JJ posted that video was filmed the first time he came to Hawaii (at The Earth Transformation conference). I talked to a lot of the people on that video (in fact I’m in that video). They are most defiantly not churchies! Most were extremely new age. A fun group of people!
Another short story of my experience with Braco:
After the conference was over the speakers and their wives or husbands were invited to go on a swimming with dolphins tour. We got into three boat’s and went out to find some dolphins in the ocean. The dolphins can choose to come around you or not. We pulled up to a spot right when Braco and the people on his boat were starting to get into their boat from the water. All of the people from his boat were gushing that they were just swimming with 60+ dolphins swimming and circling all around them. The captain of their boat was telling us he’s NEVER seen that before (he’s been doing it for 20+ years). You’re lucky if you get to see 20 dolphins at one time. It’s my opinion that the dolphins were drawn to Braco’s energy.
Susan
I sense Braco’s motive is to be of service and make a difference.
Healing is a sidelight, I believe the real purpose is to open people to “source.”
I feel like his vibration is one of love and wisdom, very second ray.
I think Braco is gifted and is likely a third degree initiate at least.
I have felt total heart energy with an overlay of mental. I have also felt some very definite Buddhic energy while contemplating or tuning into him.
You can watch live streaming television of him from 11-6 on the hour today (Pacific Time). www.bracotv.com
It seems he gazes just above people tuning into their crown chakra.
I will repeat this Matthew but it has been said twice before. I find it interesting that people are ignoring this as I think it is fairly significant: Braco takes no money. All monies go to paying for the event and to the person hosting the event. They are not allowed to charge more than $8 per session. That amount was set by Braco so it would be affordable for most anyone.
Matthew
I keep coming back to the fact that there is nothing being taught here.
Cheri
Who say’s the only way to learn is through words? I think he’s trying to connect us to the source, universe, God, and each other. To raise people’s vibrations and to show us that we can learn to tap into and project this intense energy too. I’ve talked to more than one person who says it takes them hours and hours of meditation to get to the place Braco takes them in seconds.
Susan
I think Braco is gifted and is likely a third degree initiate at least.
Johann A third degree initiate changes how things are thought about, felt about and done. When this guy dies what do we have? Prayer falls in two categories for me or with in the same prayer, phases, an active one and inactive one. For example, “God’s angels sitting over my bed” (A bedtime prayer) is an inactive one geared for one purpose and that is setting the energy or directing it towards the higher peace. In this guys case the inactive portion is the word healing and the angel is him. In both of these cases the angel(s) are something of the outside of one’s self and it would not work other wise for to love to manifest there has to be two of something at least. People do not want him to speak any words and therefor the active part is up to them and it gives them an empowering feeling as well. So he is changing how things are thought and felt about but not how things are done. I do not think that any special energy is coming from him, there are other factors as openness of the people and the combined group thought form or energy. There is a danger, that this “power” is exclusive to him and thus there is a possibility that it would trip him up at a later stage.
If anyone can bring up a provocative question, it is you Rob. And as far as the answers go I am very impressed by the intelligence illustrated in the responding posts. We indeed have some quality people here.
Okay, let’s look at your question.
“Your post only seems to reinforce the idea that we don’t have a free will.
“When it comes to spiritual progression, the only choice we have is how fast or slow we will traverse The Path. But we are FORCED to traverse it. Sure, we can stand still, become a dark brother, be recycled, waste untold billions of years of opportunity, but ultimately we are put back to square one where the only choice is to progress. Kind of like that childrens’ game Snakes & Ladders.
“God also setup the parameters of this universe, using pain & pleasure to bumper us along. When we step off the path we experence increasing pain, and increasing pleasure when progress along the path. This is indistinguishable from cohercion.
“The truth is supposed to bring with it joy. But the idea that God forces us to do something, even in the tiniest measure, leaves me feeling flat, nevermind it being completely at odds with how you teach God & the White Brotherhood are supposed to operate.
“How does one reconcile the concept of free will with what sounds like coerced progression?”
JJ
First let me clarify that there is no absolute free will in any organized system. Let us look at the creations of humanity who are reflections of God.
Throughout history and around the world we have created various civilizations and always within the framework of laws that have manifest freewill has been restricted in a number of areas.
Every civilization had attempted to restrict the individual’s freewill do harm to others and forbid such things as murder, rape, kidnapping and theft. The goal is not absolute free will but maximum free will. To achieve this we must limit the power of obnoxious people to do harm to others and take away their free will.
If anarchy is attempted to achieve absolute freewill then mobs of harmful people will take away the freewill of the whole.
Point 1. The goal is not absolute freewill, but the maximum freewill possible within any desired organization.
I believe you are in error in thinking that God just conjured up all the laws of the universe and then created or put everything together. Instead, He figured out the basic idea of what He wanted to create and certain natural laws began to manifest during creation.
The key to understanding is to realize that natural law is different from civil law.
Civil law can tell us the speed limit is 35 MPH, but does that mean that we cannot go 40 MPH? No. We can go 50 MPH if we decide.
On the other hand, we have a naturally occurring law of gravity where objects fall at an acceleration of 32.2 feet per second. Can we jump off a cliff and just decide to change this to 2 feet per second so we will not get hurt?
No. We cannot violate this law as we can with the civil speeding law – instead we must work with the law.
Man’s law tells us we cannot steal another person’s goods, but people violate this all the time.
On the other hand, when you turn on a flashlight the light speeds forth at 186,000 miles per second (relative to you) and there is nothing you can do to change that speed as it goes through space.
Unlike the laws that man makes that can be violated, natural law is set and we just have to work with it.
The foundation of natural law is the Law of Cause and Effect, which cannot be altered. Intelligence can direct cause but the interplay of cause producing effect just is and always will be. God did not create cause and effect but it just is and is the engine that powers the life of God as well as our lives. Without cause and effect there would be no God and no us. We are all co-eternal and interdependent. When the power of decision is applied to cause and effect then life as we know it manifests.
Point 2 Natural Law just is and is not created but is an aspect of cause and effect. All intelligence must work with natural law.
As intelligences from God on down find themselves in this universe governed by natural law we find ourselves forced to confront the decision to work with the laws manifest and make the best of the situation and progress toward greater freedom and joyousness or to go backward toward chaos and non existence. I find it odd that you feel free will is infringed upon by the fact that all people eventually chose the path that brings the greatest fulfillment.
What is the alternative?
It would be to force us in the opposite direction toward non existence.
To not force us will result always in all lives eventually choosing the path of greatest fulfillment.. The choice of this path is the result of free will, not taking it away.
Let us suppose our government discovered a mountain of gold and had all the money it needed and then told us, “You do not have to pay taxes this year if you do not want to.”
If no one paid their taxes does this mean their free will is violated because they all chose the same thing?
It is a natural law that all lives everywhere will eventually make choices that further their sense of joy and fulfillment.
Instead of taking away free will this law can only operate through free will. Without free will we will go toward death and disintegration.
Point 3. Natural Law, which was not created by God but by cause and effect, which creates the very life of God, does not negate free will but allows for the maximum free will possible. Free will, will always choose the good the beautiful and the true in the end.
Intelligence created the same hydrogen atoms at one end of the universe as the other for the foundation of matter. This is because intelligence everywhere discovered that this is the foundation that must exist if a universe such as ours is to be. This happened because of freewill, not because it does not exist. Copyright 2011 by J J Dewey
Blayne:
You have been revisiting Mormon history a lot lately and now the White Horse Prophecy (WHP), are you trying to tell us something?
JJ
We all hope the next gathering will be a success and benefit to mankind and one way to help this to happen is to learn from the mistakes of the past. I have always realized there were mistakes made in Mormonism from the beginning, but until recently I did not understand the depth of the error in Utah while polygamy was practiced.
The rule there was a lot like the Taliban is today rather than anything related to the true Zion.
The study of what happened when some of the best people of that age had their chance at a gathering of lights is a textbook of what not to do the next time the opportunity presents itself.
The best of Jarman’s book is yet to come and two other good reads which are available free on the internet are the autobiographies of Bill Hickman and John D. Lee. These seemed to be two sincere men caught up in a destructive thoughtform that must be avoided in the next cycle.
Blayne writes:
“the Chinese already control the long beach port. And they are making use of these free trade zones (FTZ), they have one in Pocatello and up north and are trying to get one here in Boise. They are also planning them in all 50 states. Interestingly they are saying the land they give them remains US land but anything manufactured there is considered an import. Local police cannot come in the zone without being invited and Customs will only randomly check what goes in and out.
They get all kinds of perks and no taxes low duties etc. but government can’t give Americans anything similar to jump start the economy. There is a bunch of information at this site and a good audio that goes into it in detail here: http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=13254 ”
JJ
Eye opening comments on the Chinese Blayne. Thanks. You also said:
“The White Horse Prophecy does not say anything about Islam being destroyed only about freedom being needed. I doubt Islam will be destroyed but will become more benign like Christianity as far as the extreme practices like jihad and treatment of women and death penalty etc.”
I think this is a very accurate statement. Islam will not be destroyed, but the people will evolve it into a more benign form. My guess is this will take about a hundred years but if we can work through the next 30-50 years with them without destroying our way of life then this benign evolution can take place and the world will be much better off for it.
Blayne writes:
Thanks for the response JJ. So why the WHP then, it does not seem to fit with just history lessons we want to avoid in a future gathering? Am I missing something?
JJ
I didn’t write about the White Horse Prophesy to connect it to the Hell on Earth series but mainly in response to a Nemelka post where he claimed it was false and Joseph Smith hated the Constitution.
There are connections to be made, however. Joseph envision the church as a positive force for freedom and support of the Constitution and while they had civil power they turned into a tyranny.
Now the church rejects the WHP and frowns on patriot movements. Any elders that work with saving the constitution will probably be acting on their own without the endorsement of the church.
Maybe the elders he was referring to will be Elders that were with him in that life that have been reborn for such a destiny.
During these times of international stress, threats of revolution and internal threats to our country and the Constitution itself an increasing number of people are quoting from The White Horse Prophecy said to be given by Joseph Smith in May of 1843. Among other things he said:
“You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed; it will hang by a thread, and that thread as fine as the finest silk fiber.”
At this point the Prophet’s countenance became sad; because as he said, “I love the Constitution;
“It was made by the inspiration of God,
“And it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse (LDS Elders – or gathered lights) and the Red Horse (American Indians) who will combine in its defense.
…”There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese, unless great care and protection are given.
This was recorded by Edwin Rushton in a notarized statement with the following testimony:
“The words of the Prophet made a strong impression upon me. I have never forgotten them. On an occasion about two weeks later, after I first heard him speak these words, I was at a meeting where he preached a sermon, which he said would be the greatest of his life. On that occasion he reiterated the matter which I have now written, so that the subject became firmly rooted in my memory, and I know them to be true. Now, therefore, I testify that these are the inspired words spoken by the Prophet, Joseph Smith, as he stood looking up into heaven. His countenance became white and transparent; he looked as if he had as much of the Heavenly influence as he could bear and stay with the saints. His voice was powerful and his words cut like a two-edged sword.” THE WHITE HORSE PROPHECY by Ogden Kraut, Page 25
The strange thing about this prediction is that even though it seems to have an eerie probability of coming to pass that the authorities in the church have distanced themselves from the prediction many calling it spurious. Not only that but many who quote from it are blacklisted and find their membership is in danger.
It is strange indeed that the apparent heroes of the prophesy fight against quoting that very prophesy. Perhaps the White Horse was more of a symbol of the Gathering of Lights than the church itself.
Here is a quote from the famous church Apostle Bruce R. McConkie: “From time to time, accounts of various supposed visions, revelations, and prophecies are spread forth by and among the Latter-day Saints, who should know better than to believe or spread such false information. One of these false and deceptive documents that has cropped up again and again for over a century is the so-called White Horse Prophecy. This supposed prophecy purports to be a long and detailed account by the Prophet Joseph Smith concerning the wars, turmoils, and difficulties which should exist in the last days.”
It is interesting that there is so much resistance to the “hanging by a thread quote because there are many quote available attributed to early church leaders who actually knew Joseph Smith. It appears that Joseph may have given this statement out on numerous occasions. Here are a few examples:
CONSTITUTION TO HANG BY A THREAD. The statement has been made that the Prophet said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true. There has been some confusion, however, as to just what he said following this. I think that Elder Orson Hyde has given us a correct interpretation wherein he says that the Prophet said the Constitution would be in danger. Said Orson Hyde: “I believe he said something like this—that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he: ‘If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the elders of this Church.’ I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it.” Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government. Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, p. 326
An occasional theme among Latter-day Saints during times of political crisis has been the prediction attributed to Joseph Smith that the U.S. Constitution would one day hang by a thread and that the elders of the Church would at some critical juncture be instrumental in saving it. The source of this statement is thought to be an unpublished address titled, “A Few Items from a Discourse Delivered by Joseph Smith, July 19, 1840,” filed in the Joseph Smith Papers in the LDS Church Archives. Written neatly on 8”x12” paper, the document is obviously a copy since it shows none of the usual characteristics of an original report. The paper appears to be of post-Nauvoo vintage, and the handwriting does not correspond to that of any of Joseph Smith’s known clerks. Nor is there reference in the Prophet’s History to his having delivered a discourse on 19 July 1840. Furthermore, at two points in the text, there appears to be a serious problem of continuity, suggesting copyist’s errors or some other flaw in the manuscript. Consequently, in the absence of an original text, and without information about its origin and authorship, the reliability of this document has remained somewhat tenuous. The Historians Corner, BYU Studies, Vol. 19, No. 3, p. 390
Even this nation will be on the verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the Constitution is on the brink of ruin this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction. Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844
How long will it be before the words of the Prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass. Brigham Young, JD 12:204, April 8, 1868, Latter Day Prophets Speaks. Pg. 230
When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the “Mormon” elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it. Brigham Young, JD 2:182, February 18, 1855, Latter Day Prophets Speaks. Pg. 230
When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States, the elders of Israel will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth and proclaiming liberty and equal rights to all men and extending the hand of fellowship to the oppressed of all nations. This is part of the program and as long as we do what is right and fear God He will help us and stand by us under all circumstances. John Taylor, JD 21:8, August 31, 1879
Will the Constitution be destroyed? No: it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, “The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.” It will be so. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 15, Brigham Young, July 4, 1854
The History of the Church account is an amalgamation of the reports in the Joseph Smith Diary and the Nauvoo Neighbor. The report by Levi Richards is here published for the first time. A reminiscent account of this discourse by James Burgess contains the essential details found in the other three accounts published here, and adds that the “Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread.” / In the month of May 1843. Several miles east of Nauvoo. The Nauvoo Legion was on parade and review. At the close of which Joseph Smith made some remarks upon our condition as a people and upon our future prospects contrasting our present condition with our past trials and persecutions by the hands of our enemies. Also upon the constitution and government of the United States stating that the time would come when the Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the Latter day Saints will step forth and save it. / General Scott and part of his staff on the American Army was present on the occasion. I James Burgess was present and testify to the above (James Burgess Notebook, Church Archives). (Ehat & Cook, Words of Joseph Smith, 6 May 1843 Note, p. 279)
If tradition can be relied upon, Joseph Smith prophesied that the Elders of Israel would save this Nation in the hour of its extremest peril. At a time when anarchy would threaten the life of the Government, and the Constitution be hanging as by a thread, the maligned and misunderstood “Mormons”—always patriotic, and necessarily so from the very genius of their religion—would stand firm upon Freedom’s rocky ramparts, and as champions of law and order, liberty and justice, call to their aid in the same grand cause kindred [p.61] spirits from every part of the nation and from every corner of the world. Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844 Also: D. Michael Stewart, “I Have a Question,” Ensign, June 1976, 64-65
Eliza R. Snow said, “I heard the prophet say, The time will come when the government of these United States will be so nearly overthrown through its corruption, that the Constitution will hang as it were by a single hair, and the Latter-day Saints-the Elders of Israel-will step forward to its rescue and save it. In a Pioneer Day celebration in Ogden in 1871 – Journal History, MSF 143 #28, July 24, 1871
Jedediah M. Grant, during the dark days of threatened invasion of Utah by a federal army, referred to the Prophet’s utterance as he addressed a Mormon Battalion gathering in Salt Lake City, February 6, 1855. “What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.” Deseret News Weekly, January 19, 1870
After reading a chapter in Ezekiel, the parable of the 12 olive trees in D&C 101:44-62, and referring to the Redemption of Zion, he said: We shall build the Zion of the Lord in peace until the servants of that Lord shall begin to lay the foundation of a great and high watch Tower and then shall they begin to say within themselves what need hath my Lord of this tower seeing this is a time of peace &c—Then the Enemy shall come as a thief in the night and scatter the servants abroad when the seed of these 12 Olive trees are scattered abroad they will wake up the Nations of the whole Earth Even this Nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the constitution is upon the brink of ruin this people will be the Staff upon which the Nation shall lean and they shall bear away the constitution away from the very verge of destruction—Then shall the Lord say go tell all my servants who are the strength of mine house my young men and middle aged &c come to the Land of my vineyard and fight the battle of the Lord—Then the Kings & Queens shall come then the rulers of the Earth shall come then shall ail saints come yea the Foreign saints shall come to fight for the Land of my vineyard for in this thing shall be their safety and they will have no power to choose but will come as a man fleeth from a sudden destruction—But before this the time shall be these who are now my friends shall become my enemies and shall seek to take my life and are there are those now before me who will more furiously pursue me and the more diligently seek to my life and be more blood thirsty upon my track than ever were the Missouri Mobbers You say among yourselves as did them of old time it is I & is it I But I know these things by the visions of the Almighty. Smith, Joseph. “Howard and Martha Coray Notebook, 19 July 1840″. The Words of Joseph Smith: The Contemporary Accounts of the Nauvoo Discourses of the Prophet Joseph. Comp. Andrew F. Ehat and Lyndon W. Cook. Orem, Utah: Grandin Book, 1991. 415-418
In the month of May 1843. Several miles east of Nauvoo. The Nauvoo Legion was on parade and review. At the close of which Joseph Smith made some remarks upon our condition as a people and upon our future prospects contrasting our present condition with our past trials and persecutions by the hands of our enemies. Also upon the constitution and government of the United States stating that the time would come when the Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the Latter day Saints will step forth and save it. / General Scott and part of his staff on the American Army was present on the occasion. / I James Burgess was present and testify to the above (James Burgess Notebook, Church Archives). Smith, Joseph. “Howard and Martha Coray Notebook, 1 July 1840″. The Words of Joseph Smith: The Contemporary Accounts of the Nauvoo Discourses of the Prophet Joseph. Comp. Andrew F. Ehat and Lyndon W. Cook. Orem, Utah: Grandin Book, 1991.Page 279
And here is the entire White Horse Prophecy:
1. On or about the sixth day of May, 1843, a grand review of the Nauvoo Legion was held in Nauvoo. The Prophet Joseph complimented them for their good discipline and evolutions performed. The weather being hot, he called for a glass of water.
2. With the glass of water in his hand, he said, “I will drink you a toast to the overthrow of the mobocrats,” which he did in language as follows: “Here’s wishing they were in the middle of the sea, in a stone canoe with iron paddles, and a shark swallow the canoe, and the Devil swallow the shark, and him locked up in the northwest corner of Hell, the key lost and a blind man hunting for it.”
3. The next morning a man who had heard the Prophet give the toast here referred to, visited the mansion of the Prophet, and so abused him with bad language, that he was ordered out by the Prophet.
4. It was while the two were out, that my attention was attracted to them, and hearing the man speaking in a loud tone of voice, I went toward them, the man finally leaving. There were then present the Prophet Joseph Smith, Theodore Turley and myself. The Prophet began talking to us of the mobbings and drivings, the persecutions we as a people had endured. “But,” said he, “We will have worse things to see; our persecutors will have all the mobbings they want. Don’t wish them any harm, for when you see their sufferings, you will shed tears for them.”
5. While this conversation was going on, we stood by his south wicker gate in a triangle. Turning to me, he said, “I want to tell you something. In the future I will speak in parables like unto John, the Revelator.” (Little did I then think the prophet of the Lord would so soon be slain in cold blood.)
6. Continuing, he said, “You will go to the Rocky Mountains, and you will see a great and mighty people established, which I will call the White Horse of Peace and Safety.”
7. When the Prophet said, “You will see,” I asked him where he would be at that time.” He answered, “I shall never go there.”
8. “Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions, and they will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse.
9. “But you will have a friend or two to defend you and throw out the worst part of the laws, so they will not hurt much.
10. “You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens, and they will not give you your rights but will govern you with strangers and commissioners;
11. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed; it will hang by a thread, and that thread as fine as the finest silk fiber.”
12. At this point the Prophet’s countenance became sad; because as he said, “I love the Constitution;
13. “It was made by the inspiration of God,
14. “And it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse and the Red Horse who will combine in its defense.
15. “The White Horse will raise an ensign on the tops of the mountains of peace and safety where all nations may flee unto for safety.
16. “The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals, and they will become very rich. You will find silver piled up in the streets. (At this time, it must be remembered that it was not known that the precious metals existed either in the Rocky Mountains or in California.) You will see gold shoveled up like sand.
17. “Gold will be but of little value even in a mercantile capacity, for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation.
[21] 18.”The time will come when the banks in every nation will fail, and only two places will be safe where the people can deposit their gold and treasure. These places will be with the White Horse and England’s vaults.
19. “A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such as has never been seen before, for the land will be literally left without a supreme government, and every species of wickedness will run rampant; it will be so terrible that father will be against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of murder and bloodshed and rapine that have ever been looked upon will take place.
20. “Peace will be taken from the earth, and there will be no peace only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause hundreds and thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be saints, but for safety, and because they would not take up the sword against their neighbors.
21. “You will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for the want of seed time and harvest, but that so many will have to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities, and there will be no escape, only by fleeing to Zion.
22. “Those that come to you will try and keep the laws and be one with you, for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organizations.
23. “The Turkish Empire or the Crescent will be one of the first powers that will be disrupted as a power, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land.
24.”The Lord took of the best blood of the nations, and planted them on the small island now called England, or Great Britain, and gave them great powers in the nations for a thousand years, and this power will continue with them, that they may keep the balance of power, that they may keep Russia from usurping power over all the world.
25. “England and France are now bitter enemies, but they will be allied together in order to keep Russia from conquering the world.
26. “The two Popes, Greek and Catholic, will come together and be united. The Protestant religions do not know how much they are indebted to Henry VIII for throwing off the Pope’s bull and establishing the Protestant faith. He was the only monarch that could do so at the time, and he did it because the nation was at his back to sustain him.
27. One of the peculiar features in England is the established red coat, a uniform making so remarkable a mark to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known by them some day. The Lion and the Unicorn of England is the ensign of Israel. The wisdom and statesmanship of England comes from there being so much of the blood of Israel in the nation.
28. “While the terrible revolution of which mention has been made is going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood. England and France will then unite together and come with intention to make peace, not to subdue the nation. They will find the nation so broken up and so many claiming government, still there will be no [23] responsible government. Then it will appear to the other nations or powers as though England had taken possession of the country.
29. “The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join with them, for they will have fear of becoming slaves again, knowing England does not believe in slavery, fleeing to them, they believed would make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.”
30. So the Prophet said he could not bear to look longer upon the scene as shown him in vision, that he asked the Lord to close the scene.
31. Continuing, he said: “During this time, the great White Horse will have gathered strength, sending out elders to get the honest in heart of the United States to stand by the Constitution of the United States, as it was given by inspiration of the Lord.
32. “In these days, God will set up a kingdom, never to be thrown down, for other kingdoms to come unto, and these kingdoms that will not let the Gospel be preached will be humbled until they will.
33. “England, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, and Belgium have a considerable amount of the blood of Israel among their people, which must be gathered. These nations will submit to the Kingdom of God. England will do it as a whole, in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power. The nobility know the Gospel is true, but it has not enough pomp and grandeur and influence for them to embrace it. They are proud and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God, or come unto it until they see the power which it will have.
34. “Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by a cord and band of the White Horse and the Red Horse.
35. “The coming of the Ten Tribes of Israel, the coming of the Messiah among His people, will be so natural that only those who see Him will know He has come, but He will come and give His law unto Zion and minister unto His people. This will not be His coming in the clouds of heaven to take vengeance on the world.
36. The Temple in Jackson County will be built in this generation. The saints will think there will not be time to build it, but with all the great help you will receive, you can put up a great temple quickly. You will have gold, silver, and precious stones, for these things only will be used for beautifying the temple, all the skilled mechanics you want, and the Ten Tribes of Israel to help you build it. When you see this land bounded with iron, you may look toward Jackson County.”
37. At this point he made a pause, and looking up as though the vision was still in view, he said, “There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese, unless great care and protection are given. Speaking of the heathen, where there is no law there is no condemnation; this will apply to them.
38. “Power will be given the White Horse to rebuke nations afar off and they will obey, not that they will be one with the White Horse, but when the law goes forth, they will obey, for the law will go forth from Zion.
39. “The last great struggle Zion will have to contend with will be when the whole of America will be made the Zion of God.
40. “Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog The nations of the world led by the Russian Czar and their power, will be great, but all opposition will be overcome, and this land will be then the Zion of our God.” * * * * *
