Astrology in the Bible Part II

Astrology in the Bible Part II
Astrology and the Old Testament

It is interesting that there are numerous fields of endeavor in new age thought that attract people who have only a superficial knowledge of that which they practice. Astrology does not let you get away with a lazy study. To become really proficient requires a study somewhat akin to becoming a medical doctor. In addition to there being a lot to learn one must combine his intuition with knowledge to make the most of it.

In our last post we covered what seemed to be Biblical objections to astrology only to discover that there was no condemnation of it after all, and, Daniel, one of the greatest Biblical figures was a leader of the Magi astrologers in Babylon.

Contrary to condemning astrology the Bible is actually quite supportive. For instance, the prophetess Deborah tells us that the stars “fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.” Judges 5:20

David writes: “He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.” Psalms147:4

A name in ancient Hebrew was suggestive of different characteristics similar to modern astrological descriptions of the planets.

Jeremiah tells us the power of the ordinances of heaven:

“Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.” Jer 31:36

One of the most powerful evidences is found in the very beginning of the scriptures:

“And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for seasons, and for days, and years.” Genesis1:14

The lights in the firmament are of course the stars and planets and these are to be used for “signs,” a concise endorsement of astrology if there ever was one.

The translation “seasons” is quite misleading. It makes it sound like the celestial orbs are there so we can tell the four seasons, but the original meaning was quite different.

“Seasons” comes from the Hebrew MO’ADIM (plural) or MO’ED (singular) . which literally means “appointment” or “fixed times.” It is not a literal word for the four seasons. It only has meaning for words translated from it (such “seasons” or “festivals”) as they relate to fixed times.

One of the best ways to get a feel of the word is to examine how it is used in other scriptures:

“But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear (a child) unto thee at this SET TIME (from MO’ED) in the next year.” Gen 17:21

“Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the TIME APPOINTED (from MO’ED I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.” Genesis 18:14

“The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, IN THE TIME (from MO’ED) of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.” Exodus 34:18

In addition to this MO’ED is oddly translated as “congregation” when the scriptures speak of the “Tabernacle of the Congregation.”

“Tabernacle comes from OHEL (“dwelling place.”) which comes from the root AHAL which means, “to be clear or shine.” Not only does this root relate the tabernacle to the stars but within the tabernacle was a lampstand called a menorah which held seven lighted candles. These are mentioned several times in the Bible

“And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it.” Exodus 25:37

“And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon.” Zech 4:2

Now the interesting thing is that the famous Jewish historian, Josephus, who had available many ancient manuscripts that are now lost, tells us that each lamp represented a planet and the seventh candle was symbolic to the Jews of the planet Saturn as well as the seventh day.

Of further interest is the fact that the tabernacle was portable and moved from place to place. It is also quite possible that it was called the Tabernacle of MO’ED because of the location of each new location of the tabernacle was set by the stars and was also a place for study to keep track of astrological positions and signs.

Whatever the case we have Biblical evidence here that a prime purpose of the stars and planets in relation to humanity is to reveal to us appointed and fixed times that are “signs” of things to come.

In addition to the lights in the firmament being for “signs” we are told they have influence just as taught in astrology:

“Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?” Job 38:31-33

“Loose the bands of Orion” could be translated as “make way for the salvation of Orion,” again teaching that heavenly orbs have influence.

The word “Mazzaroth” is from an ancient Babylonian word for the signs of the Zodiac.

Concerning this word The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible defines it as:

“A feature of the starry heavens (Job 38:32). The margin of the Authorized Version and the Revised Version of the Bible interprets it as the sign of the zodiac, equivalent to Hebrew MAZZALOTH (II Kings 23:5, RSV, ‘constellations’). The Hebrew word is of Babylonian origin. It goes back to the old Akkad, MANZAZTU which became MANZALTU, MAZZALTU (station, position of the planet in the zodiac). In late Hebrew MAZZAL, Aramic MAZZALA came to mean constellation of the zodiac, or planet.” pages 599-600

Another authority reads:

“Mazzaroth therefore… clearly signifies the twelve constellations of the zodiac through which the sun appears to pass in the course of the year, poetically likened to the “’inns,”… in which the sun successively rests during the several monthly stages of his annual journey.” (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. I, p. 312)

Mazzaroth then is another word for “Zodiac.” Zodiac comes from a primitive Hebrew root Sodi, or “the way” in Sanskrit. This is very interesting since “The Way” was the first name given to Christianity (Acts 9:2; 19:9,23; 24:14,22).

Thus we have “The Way” a basic identification for Christian salvation as having the same meaning as the word “Zodiac.” This adds much more meaning to Job’s mentioning of the “salvation of Orion.”

These twelve signs are the same in all ancient nations of the world and in all ages, from ancient chronologies of China, Chaldean and India. Zodiacs are in the Temples of Denderah and Esneh in Egypt. Traditions of the recently discovered islands of the South Sea, traces of them are discerned most clearly among the most ancient and earliest civilized nations. In the remains of Assyria they are recognized; in those of Egypt they are perfectly preserved; in those of Etruria and Mexico they are recognizable.

The scripture ends with “Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?” “Ordinances comes from the Hebrew CHUGGAH

The Gesenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon interprets this literally as “that which is established or defined” and when singular refers to a singular law or ordinance. Obviously Job was referring to laws governing the stars   and planets.

Books have been written about astrology in the Bible, but I will finish up this section by mentioning just a few more points from the Old Testament.

The number of the signs of the Zodiac keep showing up again and again. Legend has it that the twelve tribes of Israel are representative of the twelve signs.

There were twelve stones of the breastplate just as there are twelve stones representing the twelve signs.

In addition twelve repeats itself many times in various ordinances and of course, we cannot overlook the “twelve disciples” of the New Testament.

A fascinating but little known link of the Zodiac with Israel is revealed in the Sepher Yetzirah, a kabbalistic text attributed to Abraham. This indicates that symbols of the signs of the zodiac and the origins of the Hebrew alphabet are linked. Critics may be surprised to learn that the knowledge of the very Bible they read is delivered to mankind through astrological correspondences.

It is also interesting that a mysterious astrological configuration is called a “Yod,” the tenth letter in the Hebrew Alphabet and also the first letter of the name of God (Yahweh YHVH). The Yod within a natal chart is made up of 3 planets. 2 of these planets are 60 degrees from each other, forming a sextile, and both are quincunx, 150 degrees, to a 3rd planet. It forms an elongated triangle when looking at the aspect wheel.

It is said to lead a native on his/her life journey by creating an environment of frustration and adjustment, directing us to hear the call; to reach inside, and sacrifice all that we’ve learned on earth, and challenge us to remember what our soul already knows.

The fact that this “finger of God” configuration is very ancient gives evidence that it was originated by the Hebrews themselves, perhaps even Daniel the prophet.

But this is not all. Phases of the moon were important to the worship of the ancient Jews.

“Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the NEW MOONS, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.” II Chronicles 2:4

Numerous times in the Old Testament is the mention of the festivals of the New Moons along with the importance of keeping the Sabbath. At the time of the new moon they offered animal sacrifice and the exact time of this occurrence was so important that watchers were placed on the hills around Jerusalem and signaled the news of the exact time of the new moon to distant cities.

Much more could be written but this should suffice for the Old Testament. Readers may want to refer back to my articles on the linkage of ancient Israel to the planet Saturn for more evidence.

After contemplating the scriptures one must exclaim: “The (study of the) heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.” Psalms19:1

Copyright By J J Dewey

Feb 8, 2002

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The Great Conjunction

The Great Conjunction

May 5, 2000 was an interesting day. The Moon and the five bright planets — Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn came together to form a very rare conjunction not seen for centuries. The conjunctions of Saturn and Jupiter which occur every twenty years are significant enough, but this celestial event was so significant that it was thought by many to signal perhaps the end of the world or the coming of Christ.

The world did not end and no visible Christ returned, but, even so, this was a significant event. Shortly before this conjunction occurred I predicted that no catastrophic changes would occur and wrote:

“What I see from this configuration is a strong harmony through conflict situation in relation to coming changes of the new age..

“Those working on the side of light will become more united, empowered and committed than ever before, but those on the side of darkness and the status quo will heighten their resistance to the coming changes that herald the new age. This energy should stimulate the surfacing of conflicts on some level that will bring old and new age ideas into high visibility. If those working in the light play their part the resistance will be futile and the new ideas will prevail.”

The actual conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn, the two largest planets in our solar system happen approximately every twenty years. Some of the ancients saw this as Saturn, the destroyer consuming Jupiter, the agent of goodwill and abundance. Actually a conjunction is a symbol of the blending of the two energies and the dominate energy at the time is amplified in power.

One interesting series of events surrounding the Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions since 1840 has been the death of every U.S. President elected near the time of such conjunctions occurring in an earth sign. This has been happening every twenty years when we have had a president elected in a year ending in zero.

Ronald Reagan was the first to survive in over a century and he came very close to death through an assassins bullet. Astrologers believe that he did survive because the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction near his election was the first since 1840 to not be in an earth sign. Since this conjunction occurred in Libra, an air sign, it signaled a change in thinking more than a forced change upon the physical plane.

Now the interesting thing about this last election occurring in a zero ending year of the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction is that it moved back into an earth sign, which is Taurus. This is the last earth sign conjunction of the current cycle and will not occur again for centuries. Does this mean that President Bush needs to be concerned?

Possibly, but in this cycle we have other planets entering the equation which are Mercury, Venus and Mars. In addition we have a tight square between Uranus, the ruler of Aquarius, and Saturn. Overall this produces an interesting situation. This coupled with the fact that the next Jupiter/Saturn conjunction will be in the sign of Aquarius indicates a tremendous struggle between old and new forces. A definite death which will occur will be the slaying of old ideas during the next twenty years. But the struggle for prevailing ideas will also be the cause of much physical peril for the earth and only the domination by the sons of light and mind can guide us safely through it and prepare for the return of Christ.

There first major sign of the effect of the great planetary alignment in May, 2000 was the struggle for power between Bush and Gore. According to the last recount Bush actually won the election by 120 votes, a number that seems beyond the laws of probability.

But the struggle there will be repeated in other areas of life and even now we are seeing great struggles for power and ideas playing out, not only in the United States, but all the nations of the earth.

The conflict is between the old and the new and part of the problem is that some see the old as the new and others the new as the old. For instance, some think that retrogressing and living like the Amish will be the order of the new age where, in reality, technology will be a huge factor influencing the next 2000 years.

Another significant sign is that in the conjunctions of 1940 and 1980 both Jupiter and Saturn went retrograde causing the conjunction to appear three times during each period. Because Christ is so closely linked with these conjunctions this signifies a triple release of energy during this time period to prepare for his coming as well as the rising of the Christ consciousness.


There is a teaching gaining traction that goes something like this:

We are not “becoming” because we already are all that we can ever be. We are already existing in absolute oneness, but just do not know it. Our duty is to merely realize who we already are and have always been and when this happens we will basically have all power and oneness possible.

All we have to do is let go of our fear mongering ego and in one giant step the illusion of evolution is ended and we shall go home to oneness and be no more as an individual entity for all eternity.

There is one problem with this doctrine.

And What is that?

The problem is that not one person from the beginning of time has ever demonstrated it or shown any proof of its validity outside of presenting fanciful theory.

On the other hand “Becoming” and evolution is demonstrated before our very eyes and consciousness every hour of every day of every year in every life in the universe.

Let us suppose that it were possible to jump into this “void” (as some call it) and end all possibilities of continued evolution… Who would want to do it? Who would desire a static place beyond feeling?

Not I. I would rather walk the path of eternal progress and advance from creation to creation and from joyfulness to greater joyfulness.

May 21, 2001

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 1

This entry is part 1 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Transition from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius.

JJ: Let’s see what I am supposed to talk on today… Boating on the Payette Lake (laughter), it’s an odd subject but you know we can make the best of it.

(Then JJ seems to find a piece of paper with the right subject) Oh, here we go. The Transition from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius. It’s interesting that we have quite a few people who come from fundamentalist religions. Larry and Robin are from fundamentalist Baptist type. And several from the Mormon religion – probably about a third of the group here. Anybody from any other fundamentalist religion here?

Audience: Jewish.

JJ: Jewish, are you Jewish?

Audience: yes.

JJ: Oh I did not know that. Oh well that’s really fundamental (laughter). Okay anybody else?

Audience:  Episcopalian

JJ: Were you ever really into it? Annie what’s your background? You were never that religious were you?

Annie: No.

JJ: You don’t really look that religious.

Annie: I was lucky.

JJ:  What’s your background Dan?

Dan: My grandparents were Methodist…

JJ: You look like back in high school you probably were kind of the wild kid on the block?

Dan:  Not really.

Audience: He’s wild now. (Laughter)

JJ: Oh really, he’s wild now not back then. You really look like a mellow guy you know just overall. How about you Marcy?

Marcy: (Inaudible).

JJ: How about you James?

James: Oh yeah I was raised a Baptist and when I was younger then I was Methodist.

JJ: You were never really into it that much were you? Kind of so so. How about you Susi, about the same or what?

Susi: No I was Presbyterian, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist and now I’m not in any.

JJ: It’s interesting that most people that have been into religion look on astrology as being evil. Anything out of the ordinary, any type of psychism, anything that sounds kind of odd, flying saucers or whatever, the old devil,  he’s just behind it all according to the fundamentalist type religion. But it’s interesting that astrology is mentioned quite a bit in the Bible. As a matter of fact, the word Magi used for the three wise men, means a magician or astrologer according to the original language, and they came from the East. Does anyone know why they were able to recognize the signs and the stars of the Messiah?

Audience: Because of the configuration.

JJ: The configuration. But what’s interesting is they learned it form Daniel the prophet, because when Daniel the prophet was taken captive in the Babylon. He was taken to the East and he was the one who taught the Magi. Because Daniel the prophet taught the Magi all about true astrology it was passed down and that’s why the Wise men in the east were looking for the Messiah. Daniel the prophet had taught them to look for the signs of the coming of the Messiah.

So it’s interesting how everything went full circle. And the only ones we know about that really correctly expected him and correctly anticipated him came from the east. The people that were supposed to recognize him – it just went right over their heads. You think that might happen when he comes the next time? How are they expecting him to come next time?

Audience: (Inaudible)

JJ: As a blaze of glory in the sky. How were they expecting him to come last time?

Audience: As a warrior fighter.

JJ: As a blaze of glory in the sky last time. Same thing. They were expecting him to come as a blaze of glory in the sky and the wicked would melt as stubble. That quote is from the Old Testament, not from the new one and they used it right back in the days of Jesus. And they thought that all the Romans were going to be evaporated just like stubble is like being burnt and then God would come and float down from heaven and establish his kingdom. But instead he fooled them. He was born as a little baby and was totally unexpected. The only ones we know for sure that recognize him were the Magi and then there’s a story of an old woman named Anna that wanted to see the Messiah before she died, so this elderly person was expecting it the way it really happened. There’s this old lady and the three Magi were the only ones we know about that anticipated the coming the way it really happened.

Audience: But what about the community that cared for him and his relatives?

JJ: Well there’s really not much mention of the Christ among the Essene writings. They were expecting more the end of the world. They were like retreating from the normal world. There were kind of like the cults today – they retreat to the mountain top for Jesus to show up, and scoop them to heaven. Well they moved into caves and hid out expecting the end of the world to come.

They had reasonable amount of light on a number of areas, but they were not entirely right either on a lot of stuff, but they did have a lot of teachings and buried them and a lot of them resurfaced which shed some additional light. But it’s not the type of light the Christian world was waiting for. They thought maybe these writings would show more proof of regular Christianity and what they got was what a lot of Christians would call heresy in the Essene writings. They have some good materials in them but a lot of them were expecting the end of the world.

As a matter of fact, almost everybody at that time was expecting the end of the world. Had you read world history very much you’d see that until the past hundred years, the world was a very tough place to live in. Expecting the end of the world was a natural inclination, because it would be really nice to escape the dreary world that they were in up until just recently. A lot of people think we live in the worst situation in world history right now. What do you think about that Larry?

Larry : They’re deceived.

JJ: Yeah they are aren’t they? People need to study history so they get a clear picture. I was just reading about Martin Luther. They roasted alive and tortured many associates of Martin Luther for heresy and this really upset him. Then when Martin Luther got a little power, well he did the same thing to people that disagreed with him. And it was typical. I was reading about one guy they roasted they didn’t like. They roasted him slowly, and then they lifted him up away from the fire so he would heal a little bit so he would not quite die and then they would roast him some more, then lift him up, roast him some more. They did all kinds of stuff like that.

They were very creative about taking the heretics and make them suffer just the maximum amount they could suffer. They believed it was wrong to shed blood. Because you know Jesus taught he who kills with a sword shall be killed with a sword. So they interpreted as “well we should not really shed their blood, but by George we could surely roast those guys!” (Laughter)

And that’s why they burned everybody at the stake. This act didn’t shed blood so they thought that was fine. And they called it auto da fé. That was the Spanish term for it, which meant act of faith. It was an act of faith to be able to take these heretics and torture them until they would admit that they were wrong. They thought they were really pleasing Jesus.

And even some of the great names in history, like Sir Thomas Moore participated. He had a torturing rack in his basement. They would have some guy being tortured in his basement and up above the he would be eating dinner with his family. You can just see him saying, “….kids eat your porridge but don’t worry about that guy growling down in the basement… He’s just got a fire in his belly, and just he’ll confess pretty soon.” Can you imagine that? Having that torturing rack in your basement.

Now some people think Sir Thomas Moore is now a master, but I really had my reservation about that after reading he had a torture chamber in his basement. (Laughter) If he’s a master, he really had to pay off a lot of karma between that period and now. It’s kind of sad really.

But what’s another interesting fact is that people look back a few hundred years and they think: Boy if I lived then I would never have owned slaves, I would never have tortured people. I would just stand for what was right. But they don’t realize how powerful the current thought form is. And we don’t also realize that 200 years from now people will look back at us and they’re going to look at us and say: If I lived back then I would never have been in such ignorance. And maybe we in this room are in such a state of ignorance compared to people 200 years from now, that they’re going to look back at us and say : how come they couldn’t see that? How come they could not see that this was the right thing?

So we look back and we condemn our Founding Fathers for not entirely freeing the slaves. We look back in the days of the Roman Empire where they tortured people and fed people to lions and the whole community came out. The whole town came out and cheered everybody on and thought that was wonderful, great entertainment and hardly anyone that was not getting fed to the lions themselves disagreed with it. They thought that was just great fun to watch. They created this chair and heated it up red hot and put a Christian in it and then forced him to sit in it until he fried to death and stuff like that and the whole audience would just cheer him, thinking that was just great! I mean can you imagine us being back there cheering with them?

Maybe we were. It’s pretty dangerous to look back. Jesus said, judge not lest ye be judged. In other words, when we judge we have to be careful on how we judge, because it can come back to haunt us. So people look back and say “I would never have owned a slave, I am above that”. Well maybe you are now because maybe it’s just the way you are programmed now to think that way. But you were programmed differently then. Can you escape your program? Are you able to lift above what the beast today has programmed you to think?

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Keys Writings 2015, Part 16

This entry is part 13 of 13 in the series 2015B

July 19, 2015

Discovering Illusion

We have covered the first two major steps toward liberation which are:

(1) Gaining control over the physical body and the powerful influences of the material world. These include appetite, sex and money, and/or possessions.

(2) Acquiring power over the emotional body and its distorted influences. This includes the ability to maintain inner peace in the face of any emotional attack or insult. Even more difficult is putting the ego, and its desire to magnify its importance, under control. The disciple will search out all glamours that are affecting him and dispel them. If he feels special because he thinks he has some special mission then he will discover how his ego is handling this and put it in check and will see himself as no more special than his brothers and sisters.

The next great hurdle is the world of illusion. By the time he reaches this stage he has had quite a bit of practice using the mind to solve the problems of glamour. There is some illusion built into every glamour that he had to find and dispel using the discriminating power of the mind. The next step is in finding the illusion in his actual belief systems that can stand apart from emotional attachment.

When the disciple approaches the third initiation he has a moment of breakthrough enlightenment followed by an encounter with the Dweller on the Threshold and the Angel of the presence.

We know that Paul had an Angel if the Presence encounter when he was blinded by a great light and heard the voice of Christ. What led up to this is not recorded. Here is probably what happened.

Like most true believers Paul was caught up from the time of his youth in the illusions inherent in his scriptures, his religion and tradition. These illusions led him to persecuting, to the point of imprisonment and death, the sincere members of the new Christian sect. His illusions caused him to sincerely see them as a threat to truth revealed from God that must be eliminated any way possible. His scriptures seemed to sanction death for blasphemers so his mind reasoned that it was within the will of God to kill them if necessary.

Some time before his encounter he started to analyze and question his belief system. He asked himself, “What if I am wrong?” Then mentally went back to the beginning of his established beliefs and substituted pure logic for that which was the traditional belief and analyzed the results. He didn’t like what those results were and suppressed them for a time and amplified his efforts to attack the Christians.

On the road to Damascus he had time to think and the logic of his possible misdirection came back to him. For the first time he truly opened his mind to the real possibility that his whole course in life had been wrong and what the right course may be if God is truly a God of love.

Before the encounter with the blinding light he was met by the Dweller on the Threshold that presented every possible suffering he would have to endure if he changed direction. He saw that he would be ostracized and possibly put to death by his own religion, but even more horrifying was that if he was wrong he would be condemned by God himself and may suffer for eternity. This was a horrifying thought to deal with that was only overcome by focusing on the love of God, and that if he was truly a son that God would accept him.

It was around this time that he encountered the Great Presence that changed his life and purpose.

To pass the Third Initiation the disciple must likewise examine his foundation beliefs and see them as they are and correct them. He may not be chasing and killing Christians, but he is most likely attacking some great truths in an attempt to kill and suppress them.

Giving signs for recognizing the Third Degree Initiate is somewhat futile?


If I were to merely say that this seeker has seen through his illusions many readers would nod their heads and say, “Yup, that is me. No illusion is holding me hostage.”

The problem with illusions is that the core ones are not seen by the pilgrim until the third initiation process is actually approached. Thus it seems to him that his core beliefs are sound with little or no illusion involved.

As food for thought I will say this. Many of the core illusions veiling the mind from the Angel of he Presence are centered around the Principle of Freedom. Illusions trick the mind of many into thinking that true freedom is dangerous, not to be trusted, but either controlled or suppressed. Then the other side of illusions here are centered toward no structure that leads to anarchy. Only the shattering of illusion accompanied by good judgment can dispel the darkness.

The bottom line is the question, “Are you free from core illusions?” is not helpful.

However, there are signs in the experience of the disciple of the third degree which are:

(1) He will go through an examination of his core beliefs that will cause him to consider making major changes of direction in his life.

(2) He will have a supernatural expedience where he encounters the Dweller on the Threshold. Check out some of my previous writings on his to see what this entails.

(3) This will be followed by an encounter with the Angel of the Presence (which he will interpret as Christ, God or some other great being).

At the Gathering Lorraine asked something to the effect as to whether we are working on more than one initiation at a time. To this I said no, but the answer needs some more details.

We have to pass the first before we can concentrate on the second and the second before the third etc. BUT… As we journey on the path we learn many things before the first that help us pass the first and the second before we pass he second etc.

To pass the third the disciple needs to have a highly developed reasoning mind as well as an open mind. Many lifetimes prepare the seeker for this moment, from initial brain stimulation, to eventually developing reasoning powers, good judgment and many circumstances forcing him to change his mind. Eventually, his own initiatives will change his mind, not outer circumstances.

This is as far as we need to go in this subject for practical purposes. I’ve already written a lot about the higher initiations that can be found in my previous writings.

The disciple is one who realises his responsibility to all units who come under his influence,—a responsibility of co-operating with the plan of evolution as it exists for them, and thus to expand their consciousness and teach them the difference between the real and the unreal, between life and form. This he does most easily by a demonstration in his own life as to his goal, his object, and his centre of consciousness.

Initiation Human and Solar, Pg 72

July 20, 2015

Thanks for your thoughtful letter Joshua. My philosophy in managing the posts here has been to allow maximum freedom to post. If someone becomes too much of a distraction then I will place them on moderation. I placed Jim on moderation once before and he quit but then wrote me a couple friendly emails so I thought I would give him another chance to post unmoderated. Obviously his present insults are over the top and he is just asking to be moderated again. Even though those on moderation can still post anything that is civil that is not a big distraction he will most likely quit again if moderated. Perhaps it is no fun to post if he cannot ridicule us.

Jim has obviously been a seeker throughout his life and has gathered considerable knowledge and experience. Then when he found his living master who initiated him he seems to have concluded that his quest has come to and end and after death he will live in eternal bliss with no need of further incarnation.

It appears though that further incarnation may be needed as he seems to have a huge hole in his learning curve. A most important ingredient for a true journey on the path is the cultivation of love, friendship and brotherhood. I, along with others, have attempted to extend these qualities to him and in return have received criticism, insults and inflammatory statements. It makes me wonder if he has a friend in the world, for who wants to hang out with someone who returns kindness with insults? One can see why he has not gathered a group on the internet.

I generally avoid people like that. Jim is different than most people that turn mean spirited on me in that he has shown a desire to share, entertain and capable of reasonable humor. I still think he is capable of good things but to realize them he must establish right human relations and seek to love us as much as he does the animals he refuses to eat.

Have you noticed that this is a problem of many who come here causing a disturbance? How much love do you feel from them, how much real sense of brotherhood? Was the hand of friendship extended? Did kindness come through?

I try and set the example here and show love, friendship and kindness to all. If such attempts prove fruitless I do not return evil for evil, but just place m energies where they will be more appreciated.

And now Jim, you have caused enough distraction here so please, in any future posts, cease with the insults, or you will be placed on moderation.

I am sure many wish I had already placed you on moderation, but I believe in extending maximum latitude.


Stauffenberg’s Motives

Jim writes:

I saw the movie, way before ever knowing you. I thought he was a Nazi in the movie. He rose pretty high in Hitler’s Ranks going along with the extermination of Jews, Gypsies, and Mentally ill German Citizens before his conversion…


Wow, Jim you put the worst possible spin on everyone you do not see as a saint. You distorted history on Bush, now Stauffenberg and probably would me if you had the chance.

Wait. You kinda did that already by searching out and throwing at us an obscure anti Keys site.

Now to Stauffenberg. His two main biographers agree that he did not know of Hitler’s atrocities before 1942. Here is what was written after he learned about them:

Claus Stauffenberg’s radical change of position came in 1942, and it was provoked by the crimes of the regime – the mass murder of Jews, Poles, Russians, prisoners-of-war. The available evidence shows that other issues were secondary.

In May 1942 Stauffenberg was informed of the mass murder of Jews by Lieutenant (Res.) Hans Herwarth von Bittenfeld, a former member of the German embassy in Moscow who had served in the campaigns in Poland and Russia and since March 1942 had been working in Foreign Office Section XIII (occupied and unoccupied USSR) under the former Ambassador Friedrich Werner, Count Schulenburg. Also in May 1942, Stauffenberg and Herwarth received an eye-witness report from an officer about how some SS men had rounded up the Jews in a Ukrainian town, led them to a field, made them dig their own mass grave, and then shot them. Upon hearing this report Stauffenberg said that Hitler must be removed. He believed that the senior commanders had the duty to put this into effect.

During the second or third outing, in August 1942, Stauffenberg said suddenly: ‘They are shooting Jews in masses. These crimes must not be allowed to continue.’

In 1943 he declared that no sacrifice would be too great to have the mass-murderers of the Jews prosecuted by German authorities, before the Allies did so after Germany’s inevitable defeat.

Quotes from Peter Hoffman’s Biography on Stauffenberg

It is amazing that he spoke up at all when considering the danger of expressing such opinions. You do not hear of anyone in the military in North Korea or Cuba speaking up against any disagreement.

Hoffman says that the conspiracy’s main foundation was on the opposition to Hitler because of his atrocities.

As far as him being a Nazi he says:

The Stauffenbergs were not governed by a ‘world view’, but rather by the rejection of thought systems. Claus Stauffenberg never inclined towards any political party. A close friend said that if Claus had ever thought in earnest about political parties he would have formed one himself.

To say that Stauffenberg was a Nazi because circumstances forced him to work under Hitler is like saying I am a Democrat because I have to labor under Obama.

Here is another biographer’s account of an incident of Stauffenberg dealing with the Nazis back in 1934:

On 16 September 1934, Stauffenberg and a colleague were sent as representatives of their regiment to attend an official Party Day lecture in Bamberg. The speaker was the notorious Gauleiter (provincial Party boss) of Nuremberg, Julius Streicher, perhaps the most obscenely vicious of Nazi racial theoreticians-a man whose charisma was matched, if not positively exceeded, by his nastiness. Stauffenberg already harboured a personal grudge against Streicher, who had published an attack on Stefan George. At the lecture, Streicher launched into one of his customary pornographic castigations of Jews. So offensive did Stauffenberg find this torrent of rancid rhetoric that he did what, in the context, amounted to the unthinkable. He was a tall man, and conscious of his height. Accompanied by his colleague, he suddenly stood up, left his seat, stalked down the central aisle of the hall and proceeded to the exit. Here he was intercepted and stopped by SS personnel, obviously annoyed at the conspicuousness of his action; but the SS, at this date, could not afford to alienate the army, still less a dynamic and promising young officer of Stauffenberg’s social status and aristocratic pedigree. After a brief verbal altercation, he and his colleague elbowed their way past the black- clad minions and out of the premises.

From Secret Germany by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh

Doesn’t sound like he was impressed with Nazi doctrine and it is an historical fact that he gave his life fighting against Hitler and his Nazi doctrines.


July 21, 2015

Proof of Life After Death

Robert was questioning the many views of an afterlife thinking from the point that there may not be one at all or it may be much different than we think. For instance, maybe we just hop from one body to another after death.

First let us talk about evidence of life after death. One of the most powerful arguments for it, and rarely used, is the fact that you now exist. Why is this evidence? Because science has discovered that anything that exists cannot be proven to ever be destroyed. Matter may at times seem to be destroyed, but it is not. Instead it is merely converted into pure energy, which can then be converted back into matter.

Even so, there is something that exists beyond the physical that makes you what you are. Logic tells us that this something will persist and cannot be destroyed any more than matter can.

Close your eyes and try to imagine a time when your essence will not exist and never will again. I cannot.

The second most powerful proof of life after death concerns a subject shunned by orthodoxy in the Western world – reincarnation. If you and I are reborn again and again in different bodies then obviously something survives death to live again.

I have proven reincarnation to myself, but some of the most powerful evidence is very personal so I will move on to other evidence.

Here are some comments from my book Eternal Lives about evidence produced by Ian Stevenson who investigated thousands of people who remembered past lives.

This conscious remembering is not as rare as many may think and this phenomenon caught the attention of Dr. Ian Stevenson, the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, about forty years ago. Since that time he has traveled the world studying these people and has accumulated about 3000 cases in his files.

Most of the more amazing cases occur with young children just a couple years old who are just learning to speak. As a general rule they remember the past life for a couple years and lose the memory around the age of five or six.

In a typical situation the child may insist that her parents are not really her parents, but that her true parents (and perhaps spouse) are in another city or part of the country). Dr. Stevenson tries to catch these children before they had a chance to visit their home of a previous life and take them there and scientifically examine their response. In many cases the child’s memory of a past life is proven, for the name given out is discovered to be a real person who died. The child is then taken to the home of her past life and will identify dozens of memories that she could have not acquired in this life. If there is some secret hiding place he or she will identify this. If there are favorite possessions, these will be pointed out.

In one case a young girl identified a previous spouse who refused to believe that the little girl was his dead wife reborn. She gave identification after identification of information only the wife could have known, but still the guy was unconvinced. In desperation the little girl pulled him aside and step by step told him exactly what she did to him when they made love as husband and wife. That did the trick. The man was convinced.

Basically Dr. Stevenson likes to get about twenty-four items of identification from the child of things that she could have not known, about the family and circumstances of the past life before he will take it seriously or even write about it.

Perhaps even more startling than the evidences derived from recalling past lives is Dr. Stevenson’s more recent work on corresponding birthmarks from one life to the next. He discovered that if one has a wound, particularly one that caused death, such as a gunshot, that the person will often have a birthmark in the exact placed where the wound was in a past life. What is even more fascinating is that if the person received a bullet wound which penetrated the body and left an exit hole that the entity will have a birthmark at both the point of entrance and exit.

Even more interesting is that the exit wound is larger than the entrance, and when the corresponding birthmarks are examined he found that the birthmark at the location of the exit wound was also much bigger.

Dr. Stevenson examined 895 children, who remembered past lives, for birthmarks, corresponding to wounds and found related birthmarks on 309 of them or 35%.

The chances of this happening are very miniscule. The average adult has about 17 square feet of skin stretching over his body. That is 2448 square inches. Now the chances of finding a birthmark on the same square inch of the body in a current life as a wound in a past life is 2448:1. The chances of finding a birthmark on the same square inch of both an exit and entrance wound is much greater: 5,992,704 to one, yet Stevenson turned up this startling evidence time and time again.

The interesting thing about the birthmark study is that the “tricky devil:” theory is even more ridiculous. To believe the devil is bouncing around stamping birthmarks on children defies all logic.

If there is something that survives death and moves on to another body then there is something that has to exist between lives. It is not logical to assume we just jump from one body to another as there are seven billion people on the earth today whereas earlier in our history there were only a few million. Where were the extra billions back then? They had to exist apart from the physical plane.

Michael Newton conducted a breakthrough investigation into what happens to us between lives. He took over 3000 people back using deep hypnosis that required three hour sessions to achieve. What makes for interesting evidence is the consistency of the testimony that came from a wide variety of subject some of whom were agnostics or even atheists.

Additional evidence is supplied by others who have done similar investigations into the afterlife as they come up with the same details.

Newton’s subjects did more than just reveal a nebulous afterlife but gave many interesting detailed descriptions of what happens there.

In a nutshell he revealed that most wander the lower etheric/astral realms for a while and then return to the spirit world to their soul group where they are reunited with their soul. Afterwards they experience a life review assisted by 2-5 elder souls. Rather than being a condemning judgment the review merely assesses how he did in his last life and what he an do to prepare for the next.

There are archives of libraries there containing the history of each soul as well as the history of our planet.

Before we incarnate we see a projection of how that life is likely to work out so we will be aware of what we are getting into.

There are clues we create in advance so we will recognize people who are important to us. I know the clue I had for my wife was the first time I saw her handwriting.

He says that each soul has a different color depending on his state of evolution. Unlike here you can tell how far along the path another is by merely checking out his color. He points out that many who came to him thinking they were far along and thought they were on their last life were surprised to find out they were really a newer soul when their coloring was revealed. Each soul group has the same basic color.

These are just a few points that have been very consistent in life between life recollections brought forth by Newton and others.

The most noted evidence of life after death is from the near death experiences. So many of these have been revealed that even some standard scientists have studied the phenomenon. They are perplexed that memories can be retrieved from a time period when the heart was not beating and the brain had ceased from functioning. What is even more baffling is that some have reported leaving their bodies and encountering events and conversations away from the hospital room and accurately recalling them.

A final evidence is produced by many who have had out of body experiences. This work was pioneered by Robert Monroe. He and his students not only give evidence that that there is more to us than the physical but a number of out of body experiences include visits with those who have long passed on from this life.

The greatest proof of all are experiences achieved through soul contact but such things are not allowed to be introduced as concrete proof. Even so, the senses of the soul are much more real than those of the physical body.

Overall, the concrete evidence of life after death is pretty potent and few non believers have examined them all. If they do then few honest people could deny that the evidence powerfully suggests that there is more for us to experience after the death of the physical body.


Doctrines of Devils

Ken, I hope you realize that I was making an attempt to display my humorous side. Now let us look at the scripture seriously. It says:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Now this could apply to you, me, both of us or neither. Which is it? Maybe a more complete quote would provide the answer.

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. I Tim 4:1-5

Okay, the bad guys Paul talks about are identified as doing the following. Do they apply to either of us?

(1) Speaking lies in hypocrisy;

I do not speak lies in nor out of hypocrisy. I think you have mistaken beliefs, but see no evidence that you lie.

(2) having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

This applied to many who resorted to persecution and other harmful acts. I know I have a good guiding conscience and see no evidence that you do not have one.

(3) Forbidding to marry

As far as I know both of us support marriage and do not forbid anyone from it.

(4) commanding to abstain from meats

I haven’t commanded anyone to abstain from meat, have you? I don’t think so.

Conclusion: It looks like neither you or I are guilty of the doctrines of devils that Paul was revering to. Maybe we should cease from any accusations on the matter. After all, who is called the accuser of the brethren?

“…for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” Rev 12:18


Larry W

JJ also said that Sanat is counted as a “rebel” among his peers. Just transpose the n and the t so Sanat becomes Satan. I (we) have no way to positively verify this idea. So I guess this falls to our resident Seer. What do you think, JJ?


I do not think Sanat Kumara is a fallen Lucifer as he is identified as one of the seven great Spirits before the throne of God by DK – even though he presides over a non sacred planet.

The problem is that the name Lucifer, as used by Christians, only refers to Satan whereas most Lucifers have not fallen, as Jesus is called a Lucifer (Morning Star) in the Book of Revelation.

DK did indicate that Sanat was a rebel but I think he was stressing that he is attempting techniques that are not done by other Logoi.

The thing to always look at is the real manifestations of Good and evil and where they come from.



And you made my point or me. I disagree with you and now you claim that I call evil good and good evil. That is exactly what is wrong with your teaching paradigm and your entre world view JJ.


Wrong Wrong Wrong

The problem was not that you disagreed with me. The problem was that you label harmless things as evil – such as Blayne’s lighthearted comments. Get a life, man.


People can not just disagree with you, or have a difference of opinion with you, you have to label all disagreement with you as evil.


Wrong Wrong Wrong & Double wrong and you cannot give one feeble example to support this crazy minded accusation.


That is exactly what authoritarians dictators do.


Wrong Wrong Wrong

Equating anything I have done here with an authoritarian dictator is mean spirited to the extent that Alan looks like an angel. What the hell is the mater with you???


so maybe Jim was correct in his criticism of you. Even before I ever posted on this forum by Richard that my political views would be attacked ruthlessly on this forum, and I a Tuvalu blew it off as you seemed really reasonable in spiritual exchanges, but turns out he was totally right. I truly, truly expected better of you.


You are not making any sense here. What have you been smoking? The last post we received from Richard was praising me for being more accepting than Allan.

Clay: Again, i am just pointing out your total inconsistency in treatment between Blayne and Jim.


Wrong Wrong Wrong

You have only done this in your wild imagination.


I must be a member of the dark brotherhood if I disagree with you.


Wrong Wrong Wrong

Almost everyone on this forum has disagreed with me including Dan lwk, Ruth and most others. And they are not part of any dark brotherhood. You have no idea of what I am talking about when I use this term. Where you getting these crazy ideas???


So of course how would I ever know good from evil.


Using the quality of your logic lately that is a good question.


Also, I don’t believe in good or evil.


That explains a lot. Those who cut off the heads of those who do not conform are just as good as you are. Yeah, right. You have been an irritation lately, but I would hope you see yourself as good in relation to the head-cutting-off bunch. Maybe not.


I believe in positive and negative karma. I do not acknowledge the existence of evil as anything real. Evil is an illusion.


So when the evil dudes cut off heads, the heads do not really roll because all is illusion??? You are a piece of work indeed.


Again JJ if your master DK is so advanced he should mention something about Tulpa’s and egregores in his teachings.


He spent a lot of time on these but called them thoughtforms. You need to get informed before you mindlessly lash out.


No one is opposing you


So you are calling yourself a nobody then? At least we are seeing some humility here.


or out to sabotage your special mission to the world.


I am not complaining.


You are not that important. Neither am I, the difference s I am ok with that.


I don’t think so. You seem to think you are much more important than I.


Hey we all want to feel like we matter, I totally get it, and you do matter, you just aren’t any more special or chosen than anyone else on this planet.


And you are saying this because??? Sounds like a false humility in a feeble attempt to feel important.


But hey, do whatever gets you through the day. I don’t think you are evil JJ,


Why the change of thought here? Feeling a little guilty are we?


just a little arrogant and authoritarian, despite your professed libertarianism.


Wrong Wrong Wrong. You cannot back this up. Just another mindless accusation.


Also less delusional than Allan. I also don’t take sides.


You are deceiving yourself. You are into black and white, light and dark, good and evil as much as the Fundamentalists. You are just fooling yourself.


But hey, I can’t follow a logical argument or tell good from evil and have the mark of the beast so what do I know.


That has nothing to do with my teachings on the mark of the beast. If you really understood what I say you wouldn’t be so contrary.

Sometimes you come across as someone who is contrary for the sake of being contrary.

We once stood together against unreasonable accusations on Allan’s list. Now I have to deal with another Allan type of unreasonableness.

Can anything good come out of Allan’s forum?



Jim was being singled out and treated differently because he does not tow the keister line.


That is just plain silly. One of the main rules here is to treat each other civilly. I usually give a warming first as I did with Jim and he ignored it so I put him on moderation, But even on moderation he can post as long as it is civil.

I didn’t bellyache when Allan put me on moderation – and for not for breaking any rule as did Jim..


JJ however sees Jim’s statement as pure evil.


Wrong Wrong Wrong. Where do you get such crazy ideas?


There are mean people, malicious people, sadistic people, but no person is evil. There are mean people, malicious people, sadistic people, but no person is evil. People will do awful, terrible things to each other, but no, an bad action does not make a person evil, not even your arch nemesis Hitler.


Most people would call someone like Hitler evil. You must have some weird definition that is not in the dictionary. You can’t really reason with someone who has floating ephemeral definition of words. You are a moving target.

July 22, 2015


“Suppose one more soul would have repented and entered the ark with Noah? Today he would probably have about a billion descendants that would praise his name for making the effort to live according to the witness he received. As it is, there is not the name of one person or his children who lived at the time of Noah who is remembered on the earth today. Even Noah is not remembered for his success as a preacher, but his name is great today merely because he obeyed the Lord and physically survived. “

I thought that God hand picked Noah and his family, as the only humans alive who were supposed to be saved, at the time of the Great Flood? Noah had found Grace in the Eyes of the Lord.

In Genesis 6-9, it states that God wanted to destroy every corrupt living human and animal on Earth with the flood.

Therefore, who are the other souls who should have repented, and entered the Ark with Noah?

Also, is the physical manifestation of the Gathering of Lights in Zion, like a type of Noah’s Ark? I know that you have written something to the effect, that once the Lights on Earth all shift to one spot on Earth, then this will cause something like a magnetic reversal, because it will move the poles of Earth.


Good and Evil


I do not subscribe to any belief system that divides the world into the good team am the bad team. ISiIs does many horrorific things we should try to see them as damaged humans, not evil ones.


You are spinning your wheels attempting to create division over arguing about the meaning of words. It all depends on how one defines evil as to how such a thing manifests. If a person defines evil as eating peas then that is evil by the way he defines the term and you need to communicate with him using this realization. If this “damaged” head cutting off bunch are defined as evil because of such “damage” then that would be evil by definition – and it would also conform to the dictionary. Something IS in the English language because we define it so. If we do not define our words then we cannot communicate.

You cannot communicate with us about good and evil because you do not use any standard definition. If you are going to use a definition that is not in the dictionary then you should define the word do you can make some sense. Why even use a word that has no existence behind it? The fact that you use the word ”evil” so often (much more than I do) shows that you do believe in it. You appear to think it is spiritual to not believe so you put yourself in that elite category. That must feel so smug.

If you believe in good then you have to believe in evil for we live in a world of duality. If there us hot there must be cold. If there is and up there must be down etc. If you believe in “up” but not “down” then you will still fall down when you stumble. Saying you do not believe in “down” changes nothing. It just makes you look silly.

You appear to see anyone being evil if they use the word evil for you attack them as a believer would attack an evil person.


I will pray for those who persecute me and love those who hate me, even you and JJ


I do not hate you or persecute anyone but do find it annoying that you put words in my mouth time and time again and now are accusing me of hating you while portraying yourself as a saint praying for me.


I do know that Christianity conquered Rome not through armed self defense, but through non violent resistance.


You are mixed up here. It was Rome that conquered Christianity and after the conquest proceeded toward many bloody wars in the name of Christ.

I generally advocate non violence but there is a time and place for everything. Sometimes in the defense of freedom, such as World War II, you have to respond with force.

Mystics were dead wrong in many cases. Just because someone is or was a mystic does not make him correct. Often the path of non action is merely the path if avoidance opening the door to great “damage.”

“Damage” triumphs when good men do nothing.



Imagine if you were teaching a class on Spanish and someone who signed up for the class started interrupting the course incessantly with statements such as.

You shouldn’t be teaching Spanish. French is the right one to learn. If you are enlightened you will learn French.

You think I am evil if I speak French in class.

Your sourcebooks are all wrong. They do not even teach good Spanish.

And your teacher has no idea what he is talking about for he only mumbles balderdash.

This is what you are doing in this class.

Okay, we get your point, you do not agree with anything any of us seem to believe, even though, contrary to your belief, our main source material is the living soul whereas yours is dead mystics.

Fine. We get your point. You think the members here are a bunch of backward hicks.

Point taken.

Now let us move on and discuss the topics I introduce here and cease from the disruption. Many students are waiting for further teachings and all you are doing is interfering. This is a disappointment because you have the talent to add things in a positive way, but such a direction does not seem to enter your head.

If you do not accuse each other, God will not accuse you. If you have no accuser you will enter heaven. What many people call sin is not sin; I do many things to break down superstition, and I will break it down.

Joseph Smith, Jr.


Correcting the Record


Some of JJ teachings run contrary to both those of Buddha and Jesus. I stand by that.


You stand by it but do not prove you point, but only find fault with nothing to back it up.


Jesus and Buddha both taught voluntary poverty,


They taught to not be attached to physical possessions, which is different than teaching poverty. Jesus never taught poverty and Buddha taught against extremism. He lived in extreme wealth and extreme poverty and said neither supported the path to enlightenment.

How about posting a picture of where you live and the car you drive to show us an example of your poverty? Or are you beyond practicing what you preach?


JJ endorses prosperity teaching.


First I heard of this, though there is nothing wrong in poverty or riches if correctly used.


Jesus and Buddha were unequivocal in their renunciation of lethal force.


Again no proof is cited.

There is a time and place for everything:

Luke 22:36 Then said he (Jesus) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Matt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

and in righteousness he (Christ) doth judge and make war. Rev 19:11


I am not setting up straw men, I am arguing over JJ’s direct teachings.


You aren’t presenting any arguments. You are just making declarations with nothing to back them up except your own authority, which seems to be enough for you.


JJ tells us in his books that this type of sacrifice is no longer needed in the new age.


As usual you do not represent me correctly. I have taught that they keynote of the age of Pisces is sacrifice and that of Aquarius is Service. This doesn’t mean that sacrifice is no longer needed, but that is not where the emphasis of the teachings of this age will be. We will take the lessons of sacrifice and incorporate them as the human race learns the lessons of service.


show me where I have misrepresented JJ’s teachings?


I just did. I could go on but am limited on time.


I do not believe he understands Buddhism or Christianity with the insight he claims.


And I do not believe you understand them either. You never back anything up, but just declare what you believe. I’ve written books on Buddhism and Christianity. What have you done?


Allan Watts if you have ever read him has illustratef the great truths in both on those religions,


And I could name a hundred authors who have written books. That says nothing to back up any point you make.


JJ has created a hodge podge of theosophy blended together with Mormonism.


All the ammunition you gave is to ridicule. You never quote what I say and comment on it but just say I am wrong. That us an extremely weak approach.


So far all I see is people telling me I am wrong with zero supporting argument or evidence. If there is a dark brotherhood, prove it.


You have it backward in dealing with me. I have written millions of words backing up my teachings. What do you have to back yours up outside of declarations of belief and telling us to read books.


Again I am perfectly fine if JJ disagrees with me, but JJ seems to get his feelings hurt when people disagree with him, especially on political issues.


I think it is the other way around. You seem to be really bent out of shape because I do not think the same as you politically. My feelings are not hurt if someone disagrees with me. Now, name calling and false accusations are something else and such things break the forum rules and show a mean spirit.

A number of comments you make sound as if you take my fiction books as 100% truth. The Immortal series is a blend of fact and fiction as far as the story line goes with the teachings to be as true as I am able to write them. The millions of other words I have written contain no fiction, save a few parables.


But he should maybe tone down his messiah complex a bit, and just seek to help others come to a broader understanding of spirituality,


Maybe you see some false messiah complex in me because you are looking in the mirror at yourself. Just one more mean spirited, unloving, unjustified accusation with absolutely nothing to back it up.


I just take his more grandiose claims with a bit of skepticism.


Another false accusation. I make no grandiose claims.


I do not see JJ as my teacher, or father, he seems to be my equal, so I will treat him as such, as should you.


We do treat each other here as equals here, but we are all at different stages on the path possessing different knowledge on different things. Don’t tell me you are going to be like Allan and spend many posts trying to teach us and then insist you are not a teacher.

People come hear to learn what I have to teach. I made the mistake of inviting you and Jim here who have no interest in anything I teach so it turns out all you do is distract the group from what it is they have chosen to learn. Posts like yours force me to delay my next teaching post and answer all kinds of false statements and accusations.

If this s not the environment you want then we are fine with the idea that you drop out and find a group that will accept you.

That may be difficult as I know of no other group who wants to be saturated with accusations and distortions of their thinking while being preached to of the love of Jesus.



The difference is JJ I did not see this as a Spanish Class.

JJ Then you must be the only one with an imagination wild enough to not see my point. Of course, this is not a Spanish class but it matters not what you teach, the teacher must keep the students focused on the material with a minimum of distractions.


In high level intellectual classes as long as the opinion expressed is on topic, all sides and points of views are expressed.


If this is what you think then why are you never on topic but try and set your own agenda? I do not recall you commenting on any teaching post I have made. Instead, you conjure up what I do not teach and comment on that. This approach would not be accepted by any teacher out there. Most students here think I am way too tolerant of off topic challenges.


A good teacher does not get upset when students disagree, even vehemently, he allows the dissuasion as long as the views are supported with decent argument.


You have no power to upset me and no one upsets me by merely disagreeing. I find it unacceptable to insult, make false accusations and divert the class away from the things they came here to learn. That is very selfish to get the class centered around the one at the expense of the interests of the many.


This is not a Spanish Class. This is supposed to be a spiritual classroom where you teach on the ideas of Jess, Buddha, an other spiritual teachers. So from what I can tell, my post are perfectly on topic.


There are thousands of topics in spirituality and you have not been on topic. You only lead us away from what we want to discuss. You want to talk about duality, but we have already spent months and hundreds of thousands of words discussing every aspect of it. Older members just sigh when this overworn subject is brought up again. It is strange how almost every contrarian that comes here preaches to us the same things about duality with the fervor of a fundamentalist Baptist.

Duality is not on topic, especially if nothing new on the subject is addressed.


I am also not interferon (interfering) with any of your ability to teach or for anyone to learn. If you choose to respond to my post repeatedly, that is solely on you, same with every other forum member on here.


If I do not respond to people who accuse I get asked as to why I do not respond by some. However, I am just about done responding and will put you on moderation if necessary to get us back on track as you cause quite a few others to digress also.

So please, be kind like the Jesus you advocate and cease to accuse just to be accusing and throw in some constructive thinking and ideas on the subjects at hand as we move along.

You seem to be treating Richard with some respect and you did me in he beginning so it is within your ability to do this.


July 24, 2015

Astrology and Past Lives

Adam writes:

How significant is an astrological birth chart to an astrological death chart in the identification of a past life? I assume two such charts could have numerous parallels and yet be mere coincidence, just based upon the numbers of birth/death occurrences, and the cyclical nature of charts. So, is it merely something to consider as additional evidence of a suspected past life, or is there some real evidence to consider when comparing similarities of things like, Sun, Rising, and other signs . . .???


Good question. I have never done a death chart nor have I heard of any other astrologer using one. If your birth chart tells us of energies at play during life them maybe a death chart would give energies at play in the immediate life after death.

It would be interesting to compare a number of death charts to future lives.

What some have done in an attempt to prove reincarnation is to compare the natal chart of a supposed past life to a current one. David Wilcock, who believes he is a reincarnation of Edgar Cayce has done this. Here is the site where he makes the comparison.


The problem with looking for similarities is that we often select entirely new influences for ourselves as we will be dealing with new challenges as we progress from life to life. Therefore, it is unlikely that one will be able to prove reincarnation by similarities in natal charts.

The exception may be a failed life where the soul tries to retrace its steps in a new life. A person who commits suicide in one life may wind up with some close similarities in another. On the other hand, a soul in a high state of progression may enter a new life with striking contrasts to the other in his new natal chart.

Astrologers generally believe the nodes of the moon give us hints about karma we have to deal with from past lives. Here is one person’s interpretation of the nodes:

The SOUTH MOON NODE is symbolic of your past, your Achilles Heel—the footsteps you have left behind during prior lifetimes. It signifies the karmic residue that you have yet to balance or transmute. The magnetic pull of your SOUTH MOON NODE can feel like a heavy burden that you are carrying until its lessons are learned—it may pull you backward if you are not consciously aware of its presence and choosing to move forward toward your NORTH MOON NODE.

THE NORTH MOON NODE is the symbol for the future—the new cycle to which your look forward. This Node magnetically pulls your Soul toward its future growth. Divine Providence offers much help in this forward movement. Deep within, you will feel a sense of direction … your purpose spurs you on in spite of all the obstacles. Your NORTH MOON NODE “symbolizes the highest area of expression to be reached in the current life and therefore must be interpreted by the highest qualities of the sign and house in which it is located.”

“The most amazing feature about the NORTH MOON NODE is that however much [you] achieve it, there is always more to go—as it truly represents [your] everlasting spiral towards God.”


Another theory is that retrograde planets in a chart indicate negative past life karma that must be worked out.

DK gives some additional food for thought. He tells us that most of us progress around the zodiac in a clockwise motion, until we enter our last round and perform the Twelve Labors of Hercules in twelve different lives (or cycles). Then we move counterclockwise.

I believe that this is a general rule of direction and not a black and white thing. From my investigations it seems that there is a general trend of the soul to move in order but not exact enough to be able to predict the sign that one will be born into in the next life.

Another thing he said was that a person’s death date will determine a future birth date. From my own research I found this sometimes happens but generally does not. Either he is mistaken or Alice A. Bailey left something out in the transmission. It is quite possible that the time of death will indicate a future life, but not necessarily the one in the immediate future. Similarly as we pass through the zodiac we will often take a break from our next hurdle and choose a natal chart to our liking.

Our free will is always a factor with any event that occurs to us.

Now David Wilcock, who claims to be Edgar Cayce, may be one of the few out there making a claim who is correct. There are some interesting similarities between the two.

He was born in the same sign as Cayce which would indicate unfinished work in that sign from the last life. On the other hand, his birth direction was clockwise indicating he is not yet a high initiate.

Cayce died on Jan 3 1945 and Wilcock was born March 8, 1973 so there is no relation here between the death and birth day.

It would be nice if we could use astrology for concrete purposes and as a means for exact predictions, but such is not he case. Astrology deals with energies and their influences and because each of us handles energies differently exactness in prediction or the discovery of past lives cannot be something on which we can depend.

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Keys Posts 2012, Part 4

This entry is part 17 of 40 in the series 2012A

Feb 20, 2012

Astrological Influences

Tom writes: JJ has said that Astrology can influence one up to 25-30% if it is their sun sign.

JJ Let me clarify this. Your sun sign is one astrological influence out of many. Even though it is one out of many it is the most potent influence, making up somewhere around 25-30% of the total astrological influences on the individual.

Tom: I have been studying famous people born under my sign of Pisces. I am a bit confused as Dee Snider (Heavy Metal rocker from Twisted Sister), Andrew Jackson, Wyatt Earp and George Washington and were all tough guys. The trouble is I am not one and more on the shy mellow type that likes to relax and not be bothered. The above tough guys are all born under my sun sign. I not the Wyatt Earp type who was a fearless gunslinger in the Wild Wild West. How come people born under the same sun sign may seem very different in personalities? Due note another famous Pisces Einstein had a personality very different than Wyatt Earp

JJ Astrological influences are just that – influences. An influence is not you. You react to influences.

All the billions of people on earth have, in one life or another, been born under a Pisces sun as well as all the other eleven signs. If a person has developed courage under one sign then he will have it in another. The same goes with other qualities such as intelligence, honesty, love etc.

The key to understanding astrology is that you are not created from its forces, but merely influenced by them.

Let us take three of the people you mentioned – Wyatt Earp, Washington and Einstein. Let us imagine these three in different situations which have different influences such as.

(1) Stranded on a south sea island with a dozen beautiful sex starved women.

(2) Attending a rock concert.

(3) Their neighbor’s dog barks for hours on end.

(4) They win a lottery.

(5) They haven’t eaten for three days.

No two people will react exactly the same to these influences. Even so, no two individuals react the same to the influences of the sun or even all the astrological influences if they were born at the same time .

The influence of Pisces pushes the seeker to sacrifice the unnecessary things in life so he can concentrate on the essentials and move forward in his progression. Since no two people are alike no two people will handler this energy exactly the same.

Even though no two people handle influences the same there are some common reactions to strong influences.

For instance, a neighbor’s barking dog is bound to disturb Wyatt Earp, Washington and Einstein. After it barked for so long they all three would most likely take some type of action. Maybe Earp would shoot the dog, Washington would go talk with the owner and Einstein may complain to authorities. The influence effects them all but they use their own power of decision in handling in their own way.

Even so, three people may have similar astrological forces influencing them but they react in different ways to them. They are not the forces around them but react to the forces.

We also need to take into consideration that there are many astrological forces besides Pisces influencing someone born under that sign. There are different energies within the sun sign itself. For instance, those born in the first ten degrees of Pisces are influenced strongly by Neptune and Jupiter. Those born in the second ten egress, or second Decan, are influenced by the moon and those in the third ten degrees by Pluto and Mars.

In addition to this you have the influences of the moon and planets at the time of birth as well as the twelve houses determined by the time of day you were born.

Now even though an outside force influences you, you still have free will to ignore it or handle it gracefully. You can wear earplugs and ignore the dog or do something about it. The choice is yours. You and the barking dog are not one and the same.


Feb 21, 2012

A question to JJ on Astrology

RJ: how can we determine our sun sign, moon sign, rising sign? I am new to astrology and i need help.  I was born on Dec. 17, 1959 at 11.00 A.M..

You can have a basic chart run free several places on the web. Here is one.


Feb 21, 2012

City Under the Sea

The next step after building cities on the sea will be building them under the sea. This will be more expensive and require higher technology but the inhabitants would be safer from hurricane damage.

Here’s a video on it:


Feb 26, 2012

The Key of Judgment

Ruth: In hindsight, I bet she (Ann Coulter) can be quite emotional when she wants to be, when no one is around. I’m sure she has her moments like every other woman on earth does.

JJ I was talking about her emotional control in public when she is attacked, which she often is. She handles most personal attacks with logic rather than strong emotional response.

I believe she has a highly charged emotional self and is very passionate, but able to control how she presents herself.

I see that men treat her different in an argument than they do other men. When she has an argument with a man on TV she is interrupted twice as much as the same man will interrupt a man with whom he disagrees. They also talk at the same time she is talking much more than they do with other men. Bill O’Reilly is a good example of this. He seems to interrupt her much more than he does a comparable man.

Yet, I’ve never seen her complain about being disadvantaged for being a woman. Instead, I have watched her evolve and deal with this problem by putting men in their place more when they do this.

Instead of saying: “You’re treating me differently because I am a woman,” she will firmly say, “It’s my turn to talk, thank you,” or something that tends to make the guy realize what he is doing.

Ruth: I thought that in practicing harmlessness, then one should not attack others personally, whether they deserve it or not?

JJ I wasn’t taking about personal attacks but attacks on what one considers to be illusionary thinking or bad ideas. All attacks must be measure and used with the second key of judgment. Many attack on a knee jerk basis whenever the opportunity arises. This is not the path of harmlessness. An attack must be decided upon using the Second Key of Judgment. There is a time and place for all things and good judgment tells us that attacks on ideas must be reasonable and effective and personal attacks should be few, but enlightening when they come.

Ruth: It seems that it is okay to attack some people when they deserve it. There must be some sort of fine line between attacking others and practicing harmlessness that I just can’t seem to grasp?

JJ The right idea is to always use the Second Key of Judgment.

If one thinks he can follow the path of harmlessness through the implementation of black and white rules the he is badly mistaken.

For instance, many pacifists think they are taking the harmless route by siding with the avoidance of conflict no matter what. Pacifism was very popular just before World War II and the pacifists cheered Chamberlain when he gave away Czechoslovakia in a deal with Hitler and proclaimed he had established “Peace in our time.”

Parades were held for the guy and he was a hero to pacifists until Hitler started WWII by invading Poland. On hindsight he is seen by history as a great buffoon, an embarrassment to humankind.

What was the more harmless route? To use a little force to put Hitler in his place and save millions of lives or to go for superficial harmlessness and go along with Hitler.

One can see here how crucial is the Key of Judgment for one cannot attack every tyrant who poses a risk, but there are times when judgment decrees that such should be done. Hitler had already laid out his plans for conquest and the elimination of the Jews. Judgment should have decreed that it was not the path of harmlessness to allow him to become the most powerful nation on earth – or to just give him an entire nation to feed his source of power.

Sometimes a bully must be firmly put in his place so he will not bully again – so real harmlessness can prevail. BUT we can’t use this as an excuse to attack whenever the emotional self feels like it. Good judgment, always, must prevail in the end.


Feb 28, 2012

Global Warming

I’m sending off another letter to my local paper. Unfortunately, I am limited to 200 words or less so I had to be concise.

Here it is:

The Statesman on Feb 26 published an article by two environmental activists declaring the usual mantra: “The scientific community has reached a consensus on climate change.”

This statement is followed with a plan to socially indoctrinate America so this “truth” will never be questioned again.

Anyone who has studied basic science knows that there is no consensus on many parts of the argument. Even so let us see where real consensus does lie:

(1) There is climate change. 99.99% of scientists and the public believe the climate has been changing since the beginning of the earth. Climate change deniers virtually do not exist – like the bogyman.

(2) Global warming has leveled off since 1998 with 2011 being cooler than 1998.

(3) The first great surge of human produced CO2 from 1940 to 1976 mysteriously resulted in global cooling rather than warming.

(4) Global warming is less destructive than global cooling.

(5) Since CO2 is a plant fertilizer there are benefits to CO2 emissions such as a greener more productive earth.

(6) Nuclear power is low risk and has reduced CO2 emissions more than all green sources combined yet most environmentalists refuse to go with this consensus to reduce emissions.


Feb 28, 2012

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Astrology and More

This entry is part 13 of 50 in the series 2011A

About time to catch up on questions:
Tom Wrote:
If a master were to overshadow someone will the original person (being overshadowed) have new gifts, talents, hobbies from the master or no new hobbies, but his skills and talents enhanced?

Think of it this way.  If you have a new super smart roommate move in with you does this make you smarter than you were before or increase your talents?  Not really, but it does give you some access to the guy’s intelligence if he is willing to share.

JJ, I have another question.
“56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.”

Does this paragraph relate to a past life thing? It seemed out of context with the rest of what was being said, unless God already knew that Joe would be unfaithful?

This related to his life at that time and not his past.

First, we do not know for sure how much of the final revelation was actually written by Joseph and secondly he was believed to have had quite a few plural relationships by the time he wrote the first draft and this was said to have caused a grievance in Emma.

Stephen writes:
On that page you have linked to Ruth, I have got to ask, is God a Lawyer? No 7 reads:

7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

Phew!!!! Amen

There is a correct principle given here and that is “All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations,” are generally dissolved at death.  Then when we are reborn we start with a clean slate.  Since you will generally have no recollection of any obligation from a past life you will not be bound by it.

The Mormons are in illusion when they think they made promises before they were born that they now have to keep.  If you cannot remember a promise then you are not bound by it; therefore, people do not make promises unless they can keep them in their consciousness.

There are two exceptions to this. The first is if your commitment from a past life was somehow related to or caused karma. In this case you will have to pay it off and may be forced toward fulfilling a commitment that you cannot even remember.

The second is if the commitment had a powerful emotion behind it.  This could be love or hate.  Powerful emotion carries over into future lives.  Have you met someone who you were instantly attracted to or repelled from?  You probably had feelings about them in a past life.

Now it’s remotely possible that an advanced brotherhood could make some type of link by decree or a granted priesthood of some kind but I doubt that this is what happened.

Here is what would be more likely to be the case. Spiritual love is the strongest binding force in human existence.  A spiritual teacher can recognize this binding force and acknowledge to the couple that their relationship will continue beyond death.  However, this continuation will happen not because the teacher decreed or approved it but because of the binding power of love.

In addition the Molecular Relationship (which is not yet established) can create relationship which will draw souls together in future lives.

If peoples’ personalities can be affected by the thoughtform centered around the old zodiac, then won’t newborns be affected by the new zodiac since mass-thought is now centered around it?

I’m not sure what you mean by an old and new zodiac.  There is just one zodiac that is used by astrologers.

The Rising Sign

This entry is part 11 of 50 in the series 2011A

DK has a different take on the rising sign than orthodox astrology.  He states that this indicates the lesson in life that we need to learn.  Taking this into consideration I have examined a couple charts from Keys members.

Dan’s Chart

Dan’s info
Sept 6, 1963
Fredonia, ks
Unknown time, POSSIBLY early morning 2am-8am

First, let me say that anyone interested in getting some of the basic reading free can go to:

I ran Dan’s chart and first we note that his Sun is in Virgo. What is significant is that Uranus, Venus and Pluto are also there with Venus and Pluto conjuncting the Sun. All this energy in Virgo gives evidence that his rising sign is also there so I would guess he was born about 6 AM.

The Sun represents the personality you show to the world and the Keynote of Virgo is service. The sun in Virgo indicates Dan was born with a natural desire to serve and do something of value. The fact that his sun conjuncts Venus within 2 degrees indicates that he desires to serve in a creative way with some type of work he finds enjoyable. Then his Pluto conjuncts his sun even closer telling us that he feels a strong sense of purpose. He would have a sense that there is something in harmony with the Will of God that he is supposed to fulfill.

The Moon represents the emotions, your mother and the world of form. This is in Aries which tells us you have a restless feeling about just taking things easy and are always thinking of creating something new. When you get a feeling that something needs done you will impulsively forge ahead.

The Rising Sign. If this is indeed Virgo then it would mean that the main lesson you need to learn in this life is to gain an understanding of service that moves the will of God forward and service that does not. Since service is related to discipleship this would indicate you are to learn how to be a true disciple.

Here are some comments from the site about your sun and moon signs

SUN in VIRGO Extremely careful and cautious by nature, you value neatness and order above all else. You rigorously practice very high standards of living and conduct and you demand the same of everyone with whom you come into contact. At times, you are so supercritical that you are merely nit-picky. You are very good at practical skills and quite handy with tools of all kinds. You are also greatly concerned with hygiene, cleanliness and personal health problems. Very likely your health is much better than you think it is — don’t worry so much! Extremely methodical and analytical, you are a perfectionist — this makes you the perfect person to carry out highly detailed, precise operations. But, at times, you pay so much attention to details that you lose sight of the larger issues.

MOON in ARIES High-spirited and courageous, you are a fighter when your emotions are aroused. The degree of force and drive that you can bring to any effort sometimes surprises others. You have hair-trigger reactions to specific stimuli and tend to “let it all hang out.” You sometimes act before you think and do things on the spur of the moment, and that sometimes gets you into trouble. Your moods change quickly — you have quite a temper, but you don’t hold grudges. Very independent, with an extremely strong and forceful personality, you are known for being impulsive, careless, reckless, foolhardy, rash and daring.

Tom wrote: Sun sign: On the Aquarius/ Pisces cusp, but more in Pisces Feb.22 Moon sign: Capricorn Rising sign – Cancer Can you do a few quick comments on the above, thanks JJ.

Tom’s Chart

The fact that you are on the cusp shows your personality is influenced by both signs. If your chart shows your sun is in Pisces then that would be the major influence. This is the most potent emotional sign and it gives you a strong emotional intensity and the Aquarian influence can pull that desire energy into a quest for knowledge that can be applied to service and helping others.
Your moon in Capricorn will produce a desire in you to improve yourself and to accomplish all you can in this life.

Facing the Storm

This entry is part 23 of 34 in the series 2010B

I’ll try to catch up on a few questions.

I was asked if a premature birth or something that interrupts the timeline such as a caesarian or induced labor prevents the astrology chart from being accurate.

A premature birth creates little interference, as the entity designated for the body is usually aware that the birth will be premature for some time before the event.  In many cases a premature birth is related to his karma.

A caesarian birth or induced labor does alter the birth time and thus the chart, but not always the rising sign.  Each rising sign repeats every 24 hours and if a certain rising sign is desired as an imprint then circumstances will often change the day of birth, but not the time of day that the person may be born.

Now let us suppose that the entity is born a week earlier than would have been naturally he case.  There will be quite a few things in his chart that will be different, but also quite a few things that will be the same.  The differences will not create a different destiny but different influences.  For instance, maybe the alternate energies will influence him to be more introverted than he otherwise would be.

If his rising sign is changed through induced labor then the new sign will still indicate a lesson to be learned but his main destiny will be somewhat hidden, but will still be subtly there in other parts of his chart.

At the time of birth whether it be natural or induced we receive an imprint of astrological energies that influence us for a lifetime.  Note, I say influence ad not control.

Larry woods writes:
…But if you could give me/us, something hopeful to fuel our thought engine with peace, I/we would certainly welcome that perspective. How Jesus managed to reassure them I do not know. How JJ will reassure us I do not know; but I hope he succeeds and I hope we raise our thoughts high enough to receive peace.

Perhaps it would be wise to look at the example of the Master and see how he handled two different stormy situations.

The first was given in my last post.  There was a storm at sea that was so precarious that the disciples thought the ship was going to overturn and sink.  They were afraid for their lives.  In their terror they turned to their one hope – Jesus.  Jesus was a man of miracles – maybe he could do something.

But where was Jesus???

They looked all over the ship and finally they found him.  To their amazement he was sleeping.  How in the world could any human being sleep in the midst of such turbulence they wondered with great curiosity.

They shook him and woke him up and pleaded with him to save them.  To their surprise, Jesus seemed completely unconcerned with the danger from the storm and chastised them for their lack of faith.

Now the question that no one I know of has asked in the last 2000 years is this.  Why was Jesus sleeping?

The question becomes more poignant when you consider that they were on a small boat that was being tossed to and fro. There is no way that Jesus was not aware that he was in he midst of a great storm, yet he chose to sleep even as his reclined body was tossed back and forth.

Why would he sleep in such a situation?

The are two parts to this answer.

First, he was tired and not being pestered by people wanting to be healed.  This was a chance to get some rest.

Secondly, he was in touch with his spiritual center and even though danger seemed obvious, he knew that they would be protected. He knew the storm would not destroy them.

Because he knew this he saw no reason to stay awake and pace back and forth with worry.  Instead he slept as sound as a baby until the disciples forced him to awake. Thanks to their lack of faith and no inner contact to receive assurance Jesus didn’t receive his needed rest.

Then there was a second stormy situation that Jesus handled much differently.  This was in the Garden of Gethsemane where he knew he was betrayed and Roman soldiers were coming to arrest him.  Again his life seemed to be in danger.

Did he lay down to sleep again?

No.  This time it was the disciples who slept.  Jesus tried to wake them but instead of coming to his aid they just fell back to sleep.

Jesus was very concerned about the situation and pleaded with his Father to remove him from it.

The answer was no and he was so overcome an angel had to appear to him to strengthen him.

Now, what is the difference in the two stormy situations?  The answer is key, and it is this.

In the first one Jesus knew through his inner guidance that, even tough things looked bad, he was in no danger and might as well get some rest.

In the second situation the storm again looked dangerous, but this time his he inwardly perceived that the danger was real and there was no way to escape it.  Because of this he was truly concerned.  His faith could not alter divine will.

We as disciples are in a situation corresponding to the first storm, which was at sea.  We look at the weakness of the dollar, the economy, the maddening direction our leaders are taking us and it appears that we will be swallowed up in this sea of distress.

But will we?

Have we as disciples tuned out the storm and sought guidance from within as Jesus did just before he took a peaceful nap in the midst of turbulence?

We must seek the answer within and when we get it peace will be ours in the midst of the storm to come, for we will know we will make it through.

That said, I am about ready to retire to a peaceful sleep.
Copyright 2010 By J J Dewey