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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 18

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 18 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Magic of Relationships

JJ: Today my friends we are going to talk about the magic of relationships. We just finished an interesting meditation and what we tried to do in the meditation is to bring us up higher because there is not only knowledge but many feelings in the spiritual world. There are two parts of our nature. One is associated with mind and the other associated with feeling. Often people on the esoteric path downgrade their feeling nature. The lower feeling nature does create a lot of problems for us and gets us in all kinds of dire situations – it gets us into the wrong relationships, married to the wrong people, working at the wrong job – just because we are following our passions and feelings which are often very wrong.

The Bible itself says that the heart is the most deceptive of all things. When the heart is mentioned it is implied that the heart is the lower feeling nature rather than the higher spiritual nature of the heart center. But then there are several levels of the higher feelings and the lower feelings are like a reverse reflection of the higher. When you look in a mirror, you do not see your real face. You do not see you as you look to other people. You see yourself being reversed. So you do not see your true self whenever you are shaving in the morning or doing whatever women do in the morning, I do not know what that is but I do know it takes a long time.  I have often been tempted to burst into the bathroom when Artie is in there for more than 15 minutes just to see what was taking so long.

Audience: Laughter

JJ: Who knows what goes on there, this is one of the greatest mysteries for us men. I think all women know but they do not tell us. Now where was I? That distracted me.

Audience: Higher and lower emotions.

JJ: So the emotions are often down played and rightly so because emotions are very misleading. It is like looking at a reflection in a mirror and everything is in reverse. This is why this world is caught up in illusion and therefore screwed up. We are lead by emotions and emotional people.

You will notice all the politicians appeal to the emotions rather than to reason. Every once in awhile you hear an appeal to reason but not very much, it is usually an appeal to selfishness that goes something like this: We are going to do this for you, we are going to pay for this and that for you and bring you free this and free that and so on. It is all appeal to our lower nature of feeling and selfishness. They say we are going to make you feel good about yourself. The emotional nature is reversed and everyone that teaches and governs by the emotional nature gets a lot of stuff backwards and this is why many things do not work, especially bureaucracies. Have you ever found a bureaucracy that is efficient?

No, this is because all bureaucracies are governed by the emotional nature. None of them are governed by the mind or the power of the intuitive level, but above the emotions we have the mind and the mind is able to see things with much more accuracy than the feeling nature does. But then we are told that the mind is the slayer of the real. And the reason it is the slayer of the Real is because the mind takes us so far and then the mind hits a dead end.

Larry said he was once an atheist. The atheists are some of the more intelligent people on the planet. Born again Christians look upon being an atheist as being the lowest of the lowest because they think that they are going to hell. What they do not realize is that on the spiritual scale of evolution people that often pass through atheism are often times quite evolved people because they are centered on the mind and they are trying to look at everything logically and logically they cannot prove to themselves that there is a God.

Eventually this leads to a dead end – the mind slays the real but pretty soon the atheist seems to miss the real that he has slain. So when he was born again he sensed that there was something there. It made him feel good that there was a connection and when he became an atheist he lost the real because the mind slays the real.

After the mind slays the real the person reaches a dead end and he begins to want the real to return but logically he cannot prove there is a God. Then he shifts to the higher feelings; the higher feelings are extremely accurate on the intuitive level. We have a number of levels and of great importance is pure spiritual love, which is a step above selfish love. What most people consider as love is communicated when they say “I love you,” but what they are really saying is that I can use you for my needs. That is basically what a lot of people are saying when they say, I love you. You can fill my needs and when you no longer fill my needs then my love is out the window.

How many people do we know when they first get married they are crazy in love and then a few years later they hate each other because they are no longer fulfilling their lower needs. But, when we switch to the higher level the love is still there, even if the personality level of love does not work out, the love does not change. On the higher level of love, love is always there even if the other person does not fulfill your needs you will still love him or her from one day to the next.

One thing I admire about Artie is that she is one of the few people I know who still has respect for her ex husband. He was here to visit a while back and she treated him well and she did not tell me how bad of a guy he was behind his back. Not very many people are able to do that, you can tell that she has a spiritual love for the guy and as long as it is spiritual love it does not bother me at all.

Audience: Laughter

JJ: And that is good because spiritual love does not have negative emotions connected with it, like jealousy and the desire to possess. The lower type of love does though. Now this does not mean that we discard the lower completely? What we do with the lower when we switch to the higher is we put the lower nature under our control so they are used in a constructive way. When we allow the lower to control itself, it goes into chaos and everything gets bungled and jumbled up with negativity being released causing all kinds of destructive energies to dominate. When you have two people in a relationship that are governed by the lower energies, they are going to have a very tempestuous relationship. It would be like Madonna and Sean Penn – remember that relationship? I think they were maybe soul mates on a higher level because they were so much like each other but when they got together they really clashed – because both of them, in my opinion are of the mind set of, “What can you do for me?” Both of them wanted the other one to do everything for them – both of them wanted the world to revolve around themselves and so it just did not work. Maybe another dozen lifetimes down the road they might have the ideal relationship but for now that is not the case and they just cannot really stand each other. But I felt like there was a soul connection between those two.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 17

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 17 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 12

The Number of the Beast

“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of humanity; (it says man but is humanity in the Greek) and that number is six hundred three score and six.”  Revelation 13:18

Six is the number of the Piscean age and the strong authority of the beast governs that age. The three six’s are symbolic of the three levels of control – control on the physical, control on the emotional and control on the plane of the mind. When you have a beast that is charge in of you, you have to physically do what you are told, you have to feel the way you are told to feel and you have to think the way you are told to think. If you do not have the six on you and bow to strong control on all these three levels, you will be attacked by the beast and his agents wherever they may be.

Fortunately, we do not have control by the beast here in America that some of the other nations have but we made an image to the beast. Now the scripture talks about people who have escaped the beast. Let me just go into that and then we will wrap it up.

(Revelation 14:1) In the very next verse in chapter 14 it says, “I beheld a lamb and he stood upon mount Zion and with him, one hundred and forty four thousand having his Fathers name written…”

Where was the Father’s name written? In their foreheads. And the beast has his follower’s number and name written where?

Audience: The hand and the forehead.

JJ: Hands and foreheads but those who escape the beast find the name of God written in their foreheads and, in other words, the disciple finds the throne of God in his “forehead.” He found the name of God in his forehead and when we find that name, the beast who represents the god on the outside comes after him. That person on the outside representing the beast speaks with authority as if he were God standing there telling us what to do, whether it be a religious leader, a political leader or someone else. If the religious leader speaks and says jump then you jump. If he says that you have to change vocation or you have to marry this person, we have a revelation from God on it, well you do it, because you are under the control of the beast and you are obeying this person from the outside who is taking the place of God and that is what the beast is – he takes the place of God and he is on the outside.

You escape the beast by disregarding those on the outside and you find the name of God is written in your forehead and inside of yourself you find God. Only then can you escape the mark of the beast.

Audience: Weren’t the 144,000 beheaded?

JJ: No it does not say that, it talks about other souls that were faithful and were beheaded for their sacrifices.

Audience: I think it says that those who did not take the mark were beheaded and I think it Revelation 14, or 19 and 20.

JJ: (Flipping the pages) I don’t think it mentions the mark there, it says, “For the word of God they were beheaded.” A lot of people are beheaded if they do not take the mark. In other words, if you are in North Korea and say I am going to rebel and to hell the with Kim Jong Ill then you will be killed. Now fortunately because of laws written into the Constitution, Curtis and I could actually say what we wanted at our ex-communication trial and the worst they could do was ex-communicate us and confine us to eternal torture on the other side. In their minds this is actually worse than death.

After I was ex-communicated one of the brethren who presided over my trial came up to me and he said he wished we lived in the old days where they could put somebody like me to death.

Audience: He said that to you? Did you kick him in the shins!

That’s not my style but I think I did try to illustrate the illusion he was in. But that is what he said to me and I can’t remember what his name was. A lot of the high priests at the trial were my friends, but I did not know this guy very well and he was on the council. He came up and said that to me after I was ex-communicated.

Curtis: You know we could have sued the Mormon Church.

JJ: Yes, we could have because they ex-communicated against there own laws.

Audience: You could be that witness that caused the stir.

JJ: Yes, well, we will eventually caused more stir. Curtis and I caused quite a bit of stir but not a national scale yet. Any questions before we end this segment.

Audience: Question about the beast – you mentioned about the beast, and how the principle of the beast represented in correspondence to certain historical events with the fire coming down from heaven and the second beast and all that and I was wondering if you also had an understanding that those had an esoteric or physiological significance.

JJ; I talk about it in my book. One of the more interesting things is that it has an external interpretation that very closely corresponds but it also has an internal alternative interpretation in my book that applies in the life of the disciple himself. He has within him a beast that he has to overcome. So there are several interpretations to it but the thing that is interesting about the beast is it applies externally and every once in a while you find that there are scriptures that apply very close to external application. You can externally illustrate how the principle of the beast works by the using the power of dictatorships and the Untied States and the two horns of lamb and all those things.

Audience: What would the fire from heaven represent that the second beast brought down.

JJ: You mean the internal application of the fire from heaven.

Audience: Yes

JJ: I can’t remember exactly what I wrote on that and I will look it up and see what I wrote on that for you. Heaven always symbolizes higher consciousness, so the fire would be the spirit coming down from the higher consciousness. A lot of times even those who are upon the path of illusion do contact fire from heaven and it can be used for right or wrong. When the disciple first starts on his path he gets a touch of the fire of the spirit and it drives him crazy at times. This is what happened to Hercules before he began his labors. He was trying to become an aspiring disciple and do what’s right and it says he killed his twin brother and his family and mother and father.

DK points out that this illustrates that the disciple, when he first catches a glimpse of the spiritual energy, is driven almost mad in the beginning of his quest. The beginner cannot handle very much spiritual energy and if he gets too much he is driven mad.

Another example is David Koresh. He was sincerely trying to be a disciple in his mind yet he got more than he could handle and went crazy and the same with Jim Jones. He really went crazy and forced all his followers to drink poison Kool-Aid. And yet he was trying to get on the path and he got a little too much energy and it drove him berserk. And this happened to Hercules in one of his lifetimes and so this happens to disciples when they begin the path.

It is a very dangerous time and you can tell that we have a few strange people that come and go on the Keys list and you can tell that some of them have a bit more energy than they can handle. Susan and Sterling have a very interesting list where they have some really strange people show up. One guy there thinks he is God and another guy there thinks he is mighty and strong, another thinks he is Moses. I like hanging out there every once in a while because it is interesting to follow what those guys are thinking.

Curtis: Well, we cannot all be Moses and when I had a witness on reincarnation it was like that, it was like a fire, like a burning connected basically by the Kundalini awakening with not just one center, it was like the whole flow of energy, it was like being supercharged and that is why I had to release that and take it out to my Sunday school class. It is the kind of thing that you cannot hold in and I did not want to hold it in and it was something that I wanted everybody to know.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 16

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 16 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 11
Mark of the Beast

And the beast, it says, “causes all, both rich and poor, free and bonded, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads.”

The common interpretation today is they are developing this computer chip and we are going to receive an implant of a chip in our right hand and when we go through a scanner we have to pass our hand over the scanner or we will not be able to buy anything. The problem with this interpretation is even if that were true it would not be that terrible of a thing unless it was misused and we can misuse money as it is today – which we must have to buy or sell. That has nothing to do with the power of the beast to bring real terror into the hearts of mankind. Kim Jong Ill, the leader of North Korea, with no computer chip creates terror in the hearts of his people much greater than if someone had a computer chip in their hand.

And do you think that if a dictator took over this country that he would put the chip in the right hand after reading this! Everybody knows the prediction! This would be so obvious that everybody would think, well this guy must be the beast he is going to put a computer chip in our right hands!  Now it also says they will receive the number of his name. Hitler put a number on his Jewish subjects. Did he use a right or left arm to do that with?

Audience: Left arm

JJ: Why do you suppose he picked the left arm? Because everybody would think that Hitler must be the beast. So instead of picking the right arm like the scripture says Hitler read this and thought oh, they will think I am the beast if I put a number on their right hand or arm so I am going to put it on the left arm. So he put it on everybody’s left wrist which was pretty close to the hand actually. He avoided the hand because it says hand so he put it just above the hand.

He avoided the hand and he put it on the left arm instead of the right arm and thought, “well, now nobody can accuse me of being the beast.” He also placed the sign of on the left, rather than the right arm.

Audience: I heard something about the credit card that is related to this, the credit card has a number on it and I hold it in my hand when I swipe it.

JJ: Well you do not hold it in your forehead and it says the right hand or the forehead. The orthodox interpretation is if someone has a hand missing then they will put the computer chip in the forehead. Well that does not make a lot of sense. Imagine going through a scanner using your forehead! It would easier to put it on the foot or the other hand or his elbow or whatever stump he has left but if you put it on the forehead it would be kind of silly really. Plus it would painful to put a computer chip right into your forehead! It is possible that a tyrant could rise up and put some number on us all but what was interesting about Hitler is that he obviously read the scriptures and decided that he did not want to be portrayed as the beast.

Then we have his Nazi symbol, the Swastika – which arm did he put that on?

Audience: The Left

JJ: Left; he thought he was escaping the mark of the beast by having everybody put the Nazi symbol on the left arm and I believe he did that because he did not want to be associated with the beast but unfortunately for him he still screwed up because the Nazi symbol on the left arm symbolized the left hand path. So unknowingly in trying to avoid looking like the beast in history he really turned into the beast because the Nazi symbol on the left arm was symbolizing the left hand path. So he did not get out of the symbolism after all.

Audience: Didn’t the swastika spin to the left instead of the right.

JJ: It does point right or clockwise and there are two types of swastikas, one used by the Brotherhood of Light that goes counter clockwise and means the path of greatest resistance and the Nazis which used the path of least resistance, which is the path of materialism and that is what their swastika stood for. Now unfortunately the Brotherhood of Light cannot use the swastika anymore because Hitler just ruined it. So if we reverse the direction and use the swastika everybody would think we some kind of Nazis. Chuckling. They would not recognize that it is moving in a different direction so the swastika is pretty much out of commission for probably thousands of years.

The true mark on the right hand symbolizes labor. The forehead symbolizes thought. People already have the mark on their right hand and their forehead and in the Book of First John written 2000 years ago it says, “The anti-Christ is even now already in the world.” The beast was already there clear back in the days of John The Revelator and it has been there even before him. In other words, there have always been people who are the authorities that have ruled the world.

The seven kingdoms of the world have had the mark placed the mark in the right hand or the forehead of their subjects. They had to think the way they were told to think and labor for the authority they were told to work for or they would suffer and die at their hands..

I was just reading about back in the days of Martin Luther, (1483-1546 initiated Protestant Reformation, “The 95 Theses began in 1517) Martin Luther and his followers were persecuted. People that subscribed to his thinking were burned at the stake just for saying that they liked Martin Luther.  They roasted them, not quickly but very slow. They slow roasted them and then lifted them up off the coals before they died and let them recuperate a little bit and then lowered them back into the burning fire and roast them some more. That is how cruel they were.

They disemboweled others along with burning people at the stake just for voicing an opinion. It has been this way for thousands of years. We do not realize how lucky we are to be able to sit here in this room and talk. If we were to be transported back a couple hundred years ago we would all be burned at the stake, just for having this meeting. Now if we go where the beast has full power like North Korea, you have to think the way you are told to think and if you do not you go into re-education camp. You have to work the way you are told to work or you will suffer and be killed at the hands of the beastly authority in charge.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 15

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 15 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 10

Fire from Heaven

The other thing that I will go into briefly is the beast which has a lot of interesting symbolism,

And I stood upon the sand of the sea and I saw a beast rise up out of the sea have seven heads and ten horns and upon his head ten crowns and upon his heads, the name of blasphemy.

Why is he called the beast? He is called the beast because like attracts like and he controls people like they are beasts and what does a person that herds cattle do? He herds them and the beast has to go in the direction that he is told to go and if he does not then he gets whipped or something similar and is forced in some way to go the direction of the person that herds him. The beast in the Book Of Revelation is a great beast herder and what he tries to do is reduce all humanity who is not supposed to be beasts into beasts of burden where they do exactly what they are told to do.

He has seven heads symbolizing seven great kingdoms since the last great Adam. We are in the seventh head right now. And ten horns symbolizing ten divisions of humanity, there are ten religious divisions and ten political divisions in the world.

“And upon his heads crowns.” A crown symbolizes a kingdom and a king has life and death power over his subjects and can command them and they have to obey. “And upon his heads the names of blasphemy…” The names of blasphemy are all the names of those who represent the beast. In the religions it is, your holiness, your righteousness, reverend, father all these names are blasphemy which on the heads of religious rulers. All the religious leaders have these names, rabbi, father, reverend, and holy priest, your holiness and all these names are names of blasphemy.

In the political world we have the names of blasphemy also – your Excellency, your highness, your most high one or whatever, all kinds of names that people call the king or leader, these are also the names of blasphemy that are on the beast. When George Washington became president he insisted he just be called Mr. President because that is what he was and he did not allow any to call him a name that was recognized by the beast. He did not allow a name of blasphemy to be applied to him and he gets a lot of credit for that because he was probably the first man in history to refuse the power that the people wanted to bestow upon him.

And the beast which I saw was likened to a leopard, and his feet were the feet of a bear and his mouth were like the mouth of a lion and the dragon gave him his power, his seat and his great authority.

The beast is like a leopard because it is quick to destroy any enemy, anybody that threatens him. His feet were like the feet of a bear because he puts pressure and trods under his feet anyone that gets in his way. His mouth is like the mouth of a lion – and when a lion roars it puts the fear of God in everybody and when an agent of the beast says off with his head, he has that power to take off the guy’s head.

And the dragon, which represents illusion, gave him his power, his seat and his great authority and he did all his works through illusion. “And I saw one of heads as it were wounded to death and the deadly wound was healed and the entire world wondered after the beast.” Here in the physical realm we have the seventh head and it was wounded to death. When did his happen?

Audience: When the second beast came, right?

JJ: Not exactly, it was wounded to death by the Constitution of the United States, which brought freedom, and George Washington refused to accept a name of blasphemy and they established a free country that was free from the power of the beast and it wounded the seventh head as if it were to death. It looked like the seventh head was now going to die because freedom was going to spread all throughout the world but, “The deadly wound was healed” how was the deadly wound healed?

Audience: Bureaucracy

JJ: Bureaucracy. Everything was supposed to be done by elected leaders but what happened is we began to appoint all kinds of authorities. Everyone in the IRS is appointed. Nobody in that organization is elected, and this is the most scary and dangerous organization that we have. All kinds of people with authority over us are now appointed and not elected and there is no way to get them out of office. If we want to get rid of these people that have all this power over us we are out of luck. There is almost no way that we can do it and this heals the deadly wound. The deadly wound is being healed as more and more authority is over individual lives in this country.

People do not realize how far removed we are from the way our country was set up. The Boston tea party was revolt over a few pennies of tax. Now, if we add all taxes, most of us pay over 50% of our income to tax and this a lot more taxing than the early colonist were complaining about that started the revolutionary war. And they complained no taxation without representation. Well we have a lot more taxation without representation than they ever dreamed of and with that power the deadly wound was healed and the power over the lives of individuals is being brought back to us again.

All kinds of laws are unnecessary. Jessie Ventura suggested we spend two seasons making laws and one season undoing all the unnecessary laws, but no one listen. So the deadly wound was healed and there was given him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemy and power was given him to continue how long?

Forty and two months or again three and half seasons, three and a half seasons the beast has power to continue and he opened his mouth to blasphemy against God and His name and them that dwell in heaven. So the power of the beast blasphemies God by presenting an image of God that is not real and having us worship an outer image of God rather than the God within.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The word “worship” comes from a Greek word that means, “kiss ass.” Basically this is what it means, or, more specifically,  suck up to. So in other words, everybody is going to suck up to some authority that is going to have power to completely control their lives and tell them what to do.

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like lamb and spoke as a dragon.” The beast  had two horns like a lamb. The two horns like a lamb are symbolic of Christ, the lamb of God. A horn is symbolic of a power or a kingdom. And the two horns like a lamb stand for, the second beast which was America and it had two horns that was sanctioned by the hierarchy or by the Christ. The first was the establishment of a number of religious orders bringing greater light that were created in the United States. Some of these were Mormonism, Madam Blavatsky, Alice A. Bailey, the science of the mind and Unity churches. Many of these works that brought greater enlightenment to the world originated right here in the United States and that was one of the horns. The second horn was the political system, the Constitution and the free government that was started here. So this country had two horns representing the Christ but it spoke the words of the dragon. The reason it spoke the words of the dragon was the deadly wound was healed. Instead of being ruled by the constitution we are ruled by bureaucrats that speak words of authority that tell us what to do and what to think.

He exercised all of the power of the first beast before him and causes the earth and them which dwell in it to worship the first beast whose deadly wound was healed and he doth great wonders that he maketh fire to come down out of heaven and the sight of man.

Now when did the United States bring fire out of heaven in the site of man?

Audience: The creation of the atom bomb.

JJ: Right, the word “heaven” comes from the Greek word “Uranos” and what other word comes from this Greek word?

Audience: Uranium

JJ: Uranium, so in other words, the United States brought fire out of uranium in the site of man for everybody to see. So let us translate heaven as uranium and read it again, “He doth great wonders” and who has done more wonders than the United States, we even invented the Internet, right? “He doth great wonders, he maketh fire to come out of URANIUM on the earth in the sight of men. Doesn’t that exactly describe what we did at the end of World War II? We brought fire out of uranium in the sight of men. “And he decieveth him dwell upon the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the site of the beast. Saying to them that dwell upon the earth that they should make an image to the beast that had the wound by the sword and did live, and he had power to give life to the image of the beast that the image of the beast should both speak cause as many that would not worship the image of the beast that they should be killed.

Now one of the negative things that the United States has done is to support dictatorships controlled by the beast. Keep in mind that it has the righteous side like the Lamb of God but also a negative side. Speech with the authority of the dragon is part of the negative side.

So when did it make an image to the beast and give it power? In other words, the beast had all this power over life and death and the United States has done something to give life to an image of the beast. Now think back to the days of the Soviet Empire, what kept them alive? Whenever they had financial problems we would send them money and food. We sustained that image of the beast and who ever would not worship that image of the beast was killed or put in prison and many capitalistic investors actually invested in starting the Bolshevik revolution and financing the overthrow of the Czar and the creation of communism. A lot of that was financed by western bankers.

Now let’s look another one, North Korea. What do we do – we send them food. Does the food go to the poor people? No it goes to the military and the military tells the people, do what we say or you will be killed. And who is their biggest trading partner now? China another totalitarian dictatorship. If you do not play ball there in China then your life is in danger. Another is Cuba and even though we have embargo’s in place it is still financed by all kinds of people who send their money to their friends there and it keeps it alive giving them the power of the beast and life and death power over the people that if they do not play ball then they will be imprisoned or killed quietly. In this way the United States is sustaining the image of the beast throughout the world and if we would just quit helping the beast throughout the world then the beasts would all die, but we are sustaining them in power.

If we had not started this trade agreement in China and concentrated on India and Mexico instead we would not have the big worry that we have now about the large military build up in China.

So we have given life to the image of the beast throughout the world. We acknowledge the enemies of freedom and many of them are our enemies but we still send them food to keep them alive and to sustain them. It is a very strange situation.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 14

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 14 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 9

The Giving of Gifts

And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.” Rev 11:7-9

I will not go into a lot of detail but my book explains that the disciples are either killed or leave the scene in some way as Jesus did. Then the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit and he creates dead teachings out of the residual the words and the works of the disciples. This is what happened to Jesus after He was gone. They created a dead body out of the teachings of Jesus and the church is a dead body that lays in the streets of the holy city for three and a half cycles of time that has lasted over two thousand years now.

For three and a half cycles of time the dead body of the church lays in the streets of the holy city. But then after three and half cycles the wise stand on their feet again and the Life of God comes back in them which means there will come a time in which the Spirit of Christ will come back in  the church and bring it to life and revitalize it.

Now this has also happened several times in history where the church has been revitalized and the two witnesses, the words and the works, stand back on their feet. But then they are corrupted and they turn back into dead bodies again and then they stand on their feet again.  So the cycle continues.

At the coming of Christ in the near future they will stand on their feet for the age and come back to life again. This time the teachings of Christ will be given out in their purity. The words and the works of the disciple will never die but they will be suppressed and a dead body will take its place but then eventually the words and the works have to stand up on their feet again. Eternal words like Jesus said, “My words shall not pass away, though heaven and earth pass away, my words shall not pass away.” And when the words and the works are given out they may be suppressed and appear dead but eventually they stand up on their feet again!

Audience: So it is not the church that revitalizes but the words and the works.

JJ: It can be through a church, a group, or anything but the words and works will stand up somewhere. Somewhere they will be rediscovered and revitalized and re-taught among humanity.

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.” Re 11:10

Now after the death of Christ what happened to cause people to send gifts to one another?

Audience: Christmas

JJ: Christmas. For a long period of time now to celebrate the birth of Christ. We send gifts to one another and we do it because we are in the dead body that is laying in the street of the holy city. So are doing exactly what it says. We send gifts to one another. We do that to celebrate Christ, and we do this because the real words and works are dead or more accurately suppressed. And we are rejoicing that we do not have acknowledge the real works. Instead, all we have to acknowledge is Jesus was born on Christmas day and so this prophecy is exactly fulfilled.

But after three days and a half the spirit from God entered into them and they stood upon their feet and great fear fell upon them that saw them. And this is what happens whenever the true words and works of Jesus or a disciple of any kind re-manifests or are reincarnated and represented. Then great fear falls upon the authorities that have a lot to lose if people believe in those words and works.

JJ: Quoting from the Book Of Revelation, “And in that same hour was a great earthquake.” And what does the earthquake stand for? The earth is what we stand upon and the authorities of the world stand upon what they think is secure immovable earth and when the words and the works of the disciple raise up again and are presented to the people then the authorities of the world that are depending on the dead body are shaken as if by a great earthquake. The earth quakes below them and they will feel that earthquake coming and there will be great fear that rests upon these individuals.

That same fear rested upon the Pharisees and Sadducees when they beheld the words and works of Jesus. Again this same fear that fell upon the priests of the Catholic Church when Galileo showed them that the earth was not the center of the universe. Galileo told then to just look through the telescope and see the truth but they refused in fear. What Galileo had discovered would upset their apple cart and the same thing happens with every true scientist, great prophet, teacher or whatever.

Audience: Can these events and people be predicted?

JJ: Well you can’t unless you can judge the first cycle or two. If you can judge the first cycle or two then you can of estimate.

Audience: So have there been cycles that could have been predicted?

JJ: Sometimes, but the half of times is the most difficult to predict because that is the time that you spend beyond the time you had intended to finish the work and sometimes it is short but it is usually longer than expected.

Audience: You said that it has been 2000 years or so that it has been dead so how can you determine what the cycle is?

JJ: Well here is one way you can do it, there are larger cycles and smaller cycles. There have been lesser teachers and greater teachers. You can go back through history and note the times that were teachers with great words and great works. Let’s say that if you study history that you could find that there might be a cycle of 300 years and another cycle of 700 years, so lets say we are at the end of a 700 year cycle and that would mean that we can expect a certain quality of teacher to surface again.

Audience: like the Renaissance period.

JJ: Right, the Renaissance would be one of the cycles where certain words and works stood up one more time. So a person could go through history and calculate when the next period might be for the words and works to stand up. Now there is a greater cycle that has not finished where Christ will come back again. We do not know that exact date of what it will be but that will be a greater end to a three and half time periods.

A dead cycle within an age is pretty close to 1,260 years and most people are expecting Christ within this generation but it is not an ironclad thing. It could be another 100 years; you just never know for sure. The mystery of His coming has not been 100% entirely revealed, but there is a lot of evidence that it will happen in this generation if we keep our nose clean.

They did not ask Him any more questions, why? Because His truth was so powerful it was like a fire that just devoured their argument and ate it up. So these guys were so put down that no man dared ask Him any more questions. That is how powerful his words were.

“And if any man may hurt them then they must in this way be killed.” Killed in the Greek does not necessarily mean physical death but it mean their arguments and attacks against him will be destroyed so they do not even exist anymore. And if these Pharisees did not have the power to ask Him any more questions than their argument was just destroyed and they were no longer able to do anything to hurt Him again on the mental plane.

These have power to shut heaven that rain not in the days of their prophecy and the power of the waters to turn them to blood and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.

When their enemies come against them and they try to destroy their arguments of their words and their works, the disciple fights back with truth and reason and light. It shuts heaven for these guys for they really shut it against themselves. An example is when the Pharisees came to Jesus and attacked Him. All the light that they thought they had pretty much disappeared and they could no longer claim any higher consciousness. When somebody fights against higher consciousness and light then that light which is within them turns to darkness.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 13

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 13 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 8

The Two and a Half Times

JJ: Now lets read on,

I will give power to my two witnesses that they shall give prophecy a thousand two hundred and three score days clothed in sack cloth.

A thousand two hundred and three score days is three and half years. Notice the three and half keeps showing up again and again. It shows up numerous times in the Book of Revelation in different ways. The two witnesses are buried for three and half days, the church is in the wilderness for three and half time periods, the Holy City is tread under foot for three and a half years and the beast dominates for this same time period.

The three and half time periods keeps showing up because the mission of the words and the works of the disciple always goes through three and half time periods. Jesus preached approximately three and half years before He was crucified. The three and half just keeps showing up again and again and again.

The three and a half is divided into four periods. During the first time period in accomplishing the words and the works of the disciple it seems to him that he is going to be able to accomplish his mission.  The work always looks easier than it turns out to be. The first period passes and not much has been accomplished, so he has to go through the second period and in the second period still the mission is not accomplished and he begins to be tempted to be discouraged.

He then proceeds to the third period which may be a year, or it may be many years, but there are three periods in the life of the disciple where he performs his words and his works and it seems for sure like you he will accomplish it. But the third period ends and still he does not accomplish it and it seemed for sure that he would not have to go beyond the third period or cycle. He is disappointed to realize that he must now continue for an unknown unforeseen period of time.  This is the half a time in the equation.

He must persevere – for that half of a time could be a short time or a long time. The half of a time is that time the disciple didn’t think was going to be necessary. He is going to have to go the extra mile to achieve his mission and that period lasts as long as it takes to achieve success. Jesus said this, “He that endures to the end shall be saved.” A more correct translation of that is “He who perseveres to the consummation of a work shall be delivered and have success.” You have to endure to the consummation of a work to achieve success. The key is the half of a time period, that period that you did not dream was going to be necessary. Have you ever heard the statement, “Things always take longer than you think”?  They always do. The disciple thinks that that first cycle is going to be all the time we need and then we are going to wrap things up. It always takes longer and the reason the half of a cycle is thrown in is because that is the period of endurance where he has to persevere for an unknown time period until he achieves success.

Audience: After he has received his enlightenment is he given his mission that he knows he is to accomplish?

JJ: He is given a number of missions along the way and at this time period he will perceive a work that he has to do and he will produce words and works that will testify to the truth of this work. Like Paul, first of all he was blinded and then he was healed and produced great words and works that testified of his mission and even though he was a former persecutor of the saints he was now a true teacher.

Audience: I heard a story about a man who wanted enlightenment and he went to a man who carrying a sack that had enlightenment and he asked what it was like when you find enlightenment. The man put the sack down and said what comes after enlightenment is this; he then raised the sack and put it back on his shoulder.

Audience: Daniel talks about the time and times and half time as well.

JJ: Yes and this is repeated in the Book of Revelation. I talk a little about Daniel in the book but I do not go into it in depth or else it would have most likely been twice as long.

Audience: I am relating to that.

JJ: The time and times and half a time, yes we both relate to it. We have been struggling a long time. Time is one cycle, times, is two cycles, and a half time is a half cycle, three and a half cycles. And it is given in a lot of symbolic language, three and a half days, 1260 days which is three and half years, 42 months which is three and half years, and this time and times and half a time keeps repeating itself.

This a really interesting scripture about the witnesses, “If any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth and devour their enemies, and if man will hurt them than he must in this manner be killed.” So what the Christian world is expecting is Moses and Elijah is going to show up in Jerusalem and the anti-Christ sends a few of his henchman to do away with them and fire is going to come out of their mouth and evaporate them. DO you think it is going to happen that way?

The disciple has his words and his works and if any man will come and try to hurt the disciple, they will attack him and try to destroy his words and works.  When attacked fire cometh out of his mouth, and that fire is the fire of light and truth, and that fire of truth devours his enemies. In other words, it was like the Pharisees who came to Jesus and said well you are not so smart. We are going to ask you a few questions. They asked Him some questions and his answers were so powerful that it devoured their argument and then the scriptures says this, “And no man dare ask him any more questions after this.”

They did not ask Him any more questions, why? Because His truth was so powerful it was like a fire that just devoured their argument and ate it up. So these guys were so put down that no man dared ask Him any more questions. That is how powerful his words were.

“And if any man may hurt them then they must in this way be killed.” Killed in the Greek does not necessarily mean physical death but it mean their arguments and attacks against him will be destroyed so they do not even exist anymore. And if these Pharisees did not have the power to ask Him any more questions then their argument was just destroyed and they were no longer able to do anything to hurt Him again on the mental plane.

These have power to shut heaven that rain not in the days of their prophecy and the power of the waters to turn them to blood and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.

When their enemies come against them and they try to destroy the arguments of their words and their works, the disciple fights back with truth and reason and light. It shuts heaven for these guys for they really shut it against themselves. An example is when the Pharisees came to Jesus and attacked Him. All the light that they thought they had pretty much disappeared and they could no longer claim any higher consciousness. When somebody fights against higher consciousness and light then that light which is within them turns to darkness.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 12

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 12 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 7

The Two Witnesses

And round about the throne were four and twenty elders upon the seats and I saw four and twenty elders sitting clothed in white raiment; and they had upon their heads crowns of gold.

He saw others that have gone on before him. It is also stimulating symbolic of the energy centers within us, We have the heart center with 12 petals of energy and this is also duplicated in the head. You have a heart center in the head and a heart center of course in the heart. All together there are 24 petals, half simulating female energy and the other male energy. This is one of the correspondences to the twenty-four elders but we are not constricted to just one meaning. If you see a meaning that correlates and corresponds then it is quite possible you can receive quite a bit of light from it – because in any inspired word or scripture there is more than one meaning that can be used.

We will move ahead here and we do not have a lot of time to go into detail on the Book of Revelation but there are several details that are quite interesting and one is the scripture that deals with the two witnesses. Has everybody heard about the prophecy of these two individuals? If you have talked to any of the religious people they are really big on these two witnesses. They believe, as I told you earlier, that two witnesses are going to show up soon. Some believe it will be just two regular mortals that are very spiritual men. Then a lot of Christians believe it is going to be Elijah and Moses showing up in a mortal state and they are going to wander into Jerusalem and start preaching.

I have come across quite a few people that think they are one of the two witnesses and maybe reincarnated from Moses or someone great. There are all kinds of them floating around. The two witnesses as it applies to the disciple, are totally different than we have heard before. “And I will give power unto my two witnesses and they shall prophecy a thousand two hundred and three score days clothed in sack cloth. These are the two olive trees, the two candle sticks standing before the God of the earth.”

Okay, so what are the two witnesses?

The two witnesses are two principles that bear witness to the truth of the teachings of the disciple who is the follower of Christ and has now undergone the transfiguration. He is qualified to be a teacher of righteousness and has internally two witnesses. The Bible says that all things shall be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses. As a matter of fact the Jews came to Jesus and said to Him, “the scriptures say that everything shall be done in the mouth of two witnesses and you are only one witness, where is your other witness? “And Jesus said there is me and then there is the Father that dwells in me.” (See John 8:13-19)

That was an interesting interpretation of the two witnesses by Jesus. There was Himself and then there was another entity higher than Him that was inside of Him. It says right there, in the scripture that there was the witness of two men, but where were the two men? Jesus was one and He who was within Him was the other.

For the disciple, as it pertains to the Book of Revelations, the two witnesses has another dimension to it. There were the two witnesses that followed Jesus wherever he went that testified that He was a true teacher. The first witness was what?

Audience: The Gospel, the soul, Himself and the Father that dwell in Him.

JJ: What was the first thing Jesus did that bore witness to who He was?

Audience: He was baptized.

JJ: No that bore witness to himself and John but what was it that got the people’s attention?

Audience: The miracles.

JJ: Okay and the miracles was a what?

Audience: A sign.

JJ: No what kind of witness was all these miracles?

Audience: Inaudible

JJ: All these miracles were the works of Jesus; they were His works.

Audience: So His first witness was His works.

JJ: Yes, that is his first witness, the works of the disciple bear witness to him as a true teacher. The second thing that got everybody really wondering who He was and got everybody all stirred up was something else besides His works and what was it?

Audience: His words.

JJ: Yes, His words. The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Him and said where did you get this doctrine? Who gave you the authority to teach these things? Where did you learn this? His words caused a tremendous impression on everybody; He said things totally different than they had been said before. If a man comes to you and wants you to go one mile, go two miles. Nobody had said anything like that before. Everybody thought that if somebody wants me to go one mile then I am going to get out of even going that one-mile if at all possible.

In those days if a Roman soldier came to you and said carry my pack for one mile then by law in the Roman Empire you had to do this or you could get thrown in jail. So everybody carried it for one mile but when they were done with the one mile they stopped at exactly that mark and then they were able to escape the legal repercussions. They could not punish them if they carried it one mile so whenever a Roman soldier selected somebody they only went exactly one mile because they did not like these Roman soldiers. But Jesus said if someone compels you to go one mile, go two. How do you think that affected a Roman soldier? Everybody only goes one mile and then they say “you S.O.B., carry it yourself.” And here comes the follower of Christ and he says I will carry it two miles for you. The soldier thinks, wow that is weird, I am impressed.

He says if somebody smites you on one cheek then turn, the other cheek. These words really made an impression on people. He said love your neighbor as yourself; love God first, this is the first great commandment and the second is love your neighbor as yourself and on this commandment hangs every law and every prophet and every commandment that has ever been given. All the scriptures hangs on this one principle.

Wow, nobody had ever heard that before. Just this one thing? It is not Ten Commandments and the thousands of little things that the Jews had to do. For instance, if they really wanted to obey the Sabbath correctly there were a couple of thousand things they had to memorize. For example, on the Sabbath you could not wear sandals with any metal in them because that caused more effort to lift the sandals up and down. They had hundreds of little rules. You were allowed a couple thousand steps and if you took one too many then you broke the Sabbath and you just had to quit walking and wait until the next day to take more steps!

Audience: Laughter. They had to make their meals the day before so they were not working on the Sabbath.

JJ: Right they had all these rules and regulations because we are going to perfect obeying the Sabbath so that we can really please God. Jesus said to His disciples when they were walking through a wheat field. The disciples picked a handful of wheat to eat it and the Pharisees saw them and said, Ah ha, you guys are working on the Sabbath; you are harvesting wheat! That is how fussy they were, but Jesus hit them with something entirely different. On this law of love hangs every commandment that you have ever been given and you can obey it properly if you can understand it.

Do you think the authorities liked that? Because if you understood that one law of love then all these rules and all these regulations that the authorities advised on became useless. The authorities got all this recognition for advising how to obey all the commandments but if you listened to Jesus then none of the authorities now were needed. And so His words burned like a fire through the hearts of His enemies and it caused them to hate Him. It also burned like a fire in the hearts of the pure of heart because it gave them hope that this would get them out of this mess they were in where they had to memorize thousands of little rules if they wanted to please God. And so the two witnesses to the disciple whether it is Jesus or a follower of Jesus are his words and his works. Now lets read on.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 11

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 11 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 6

Shortcuts

How do the born again Christians do this, what shortcut do they take?

Audience: Saved by Grace!

JJ: Saved by grace and all you have to do is say Jesus is Lord Hallelujah!

Audience: In the Catholic church the priest will do for you.

JJ: Really easy right? Unless you are part of another group like the Mormons then you do not have the right Jesus. So it is interesting how they believe this. Now every religion has their shortcuts to heaven. Some have a little less of a shortcut than others but they all have this shortcut.

And the new agers are the same, Eckankar has this shortcut – they believe there is about seven or nine levels to the highest god and we can bypass all of our incarnations if we follow the Eck master and he will guide us through soul travel out of the circle of incarnation. If we have 500 lives to go we just skip them all. All we have to do is subscribe to their belief system.

So a lot of new agers have the same problem. I was reading on the Internet a while back another group wanted us to believe the way they do and if we believe this way then people are going to come down in flying saucers we are all going to escape to the fifth dimension and leave behind this turmoil that we have all around us. It will be a shortcut to bliss and we are never going to have to incarnate again and we will live in this higher dimension forever.

Audience: I am sure there are a thousand and one illusionary shortcuts but didn’t Christ Himself teach a shortcut?

JJ: And that would be?

Audience: That would be how to balance out the karma through good works.

JJ: Not really, He said that every jot and tittle has to be paid, even to the last farthing. But He taught certain ways to pay it off, we can pay off our karma through service but it is like paying off a loan at the bank. If you owed $1000, there is no way you are going to get out of paying that $1000 plus interest. But if you have a job that makes $10 an hour and have an opportunity to get a job that pays $50 an hour then you are going to pay off that $1000 a lot quicker than you would with the $10 an hour job. Yes that is a shortcut but most of the shortcuts teach bypassing the karma where it just drops by osmosis or something. There are shorter and quicker ways to do it but many of them teach that if you follow this particular leader then all your karma is going to dissolve or something like that.

That is the type of shortcut that is an illusion, but like you say there are legitimate shortcuts like I just explained with the bank loan comparison. It is the same way if you are doing a service that serves a thousand people and stimulates them, you can pay off karma a lot faster than the guy who is only serving ten people in some way for we pay off our karma with service.

Audience: Can you define karma?

JJ: Karma is cause and effect, meaning that if you create hurtful deeds and that accumulates and it comes back to haunt you and you will have to pay recompense somehow. So theoretically it is like Jesus said, He who kills with the sword, shall be killed by the sword.

Now let’s take someone who has killed ten people. Does that mean that he has to come back and be killed ten different times? Not necessarily he may be in a situation where he can save ten people with one heroic act and in that case it would be possible for him to pay off those ten lives, if his soul feels he has learned his lesson. There are Lords, who the Tibetan calls, the Lords of Karma, who keep a tabulation on this to make sure the balance is maintained and to provide avenues for people who are willing to pay off their karma in the quickest possible way.

Audience: Does doing good works without the necessary payment of karma does that store up for you?

JJ: Right there is good karma and bad karma and just like a bank sometimes you borrow money and sometimes you save money. So if you do good works that are not related to paying karma – like say generosity, you are being generous and helping people. But maybe you hurt somebody in another way. Generosity is unrelated to the hurting so you may still have to learn the lesson in that area but by being generous you may be accumulating good karma in the bank so that sometime when you are in need in the future somebody appears out of the blue and helps you out.

Now I am not going to go through all the seven stages, the disciple goes through in The Unveiling until he reaches the third initiation. When he reaches the third initiation he becomes enlightened and his consciousness is lifted up. Paul reached this point when he was on the road to Damascus and he saw a great light. Jesus reached it on the mount of transfiguration; Moses reached it when he went up on Mount Sinai and his face glowed like the sun.

When the disciple reaches this point after the lesson of the seven churches are over, all of a sudden John sees this great vision. This is where all the vision of the great end time comes from and it starts in chapter 4,

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Rev 4:1-2

JJ: Let’s interpret this, “behold I looked and a door was opened in heaven.” What do you suppose heaven symbolizes here in the life of the disciple?
Joshua: Higher consciousness.

JJ: Right heaven symbolizes higher consciousness. In other words, he was raised up in consciousness through a transfiguration. Whether he glowed like the sun we do not know, but definitely his consciousness was raised up to heaven where he was able to see things he had never seen before. And what did he see? A door was opened in heaven and he rose up in consciousness and in that consciousness was a door, what does the door symbolize?

Audience: The soul.

JJ: Right, the soul is the door between heaven and earth. When we have soul contact we have a door that is opened that can lead us into all the higher worlds. These are higher worlds are available through the door of the soul. “And the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither,” what is the symbolism of a trumpet? What is the purpose of a trumpet?

Audience: To wake us up.

JJ: Right to wake us up. In the army a trumpet wakes you up in the morning. Okay, there was a voice that woke him up to a higher level of thinking, and this voice that woke him up to a higher level of thinking said what? “Come up.” You saw a door open in heaven, your consciousness is raising up, you see the door and you go through the door and you are still not up high enough and the voice says come up even higher. “Come up hither and I will show thee things that must be hereafter” things that you are going to experience. These are not things that will cause hell upon the earth but things hereafter that is going to apply to you the disciple that is on the path. “And immediately I was in the spirit.” So when this transfiguration comes immediately. He is in a different state of being and instead of being in carnal consciousness he is in spiritual consciousness, “and behold a throne was set in heaven and one sat on the throne.” A throne was sat in the state of higher consciousness and where is this throne at? In which chakra is the higher consciousness?

Audience: Crown chakra.

JJ: It’s the ajna center, commonly called the third eye, between the eyebrows. The center between the eyebrows is normally called the throne of God esoterically. The head center overall is all stimulated at the third initiation or the transfiguration and the disciple senses the God within the head. And what does it say later in the Book of Revelation? You escape the beast by having the name of God in your forehead. You escape the beast by understanding that the name of God sitting upon the throne is in the forehead.

Even DK talks about the possibility of seeing an actual door in a vision if you concentrate on this spot and he says there will come times when you will actually see this door, DK does not describe it as a door but like a circle of blue that you will see if you concentrate.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 10

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 10 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 5

The Nicolatians

JJ: Okay we will continue on the Book of Revelation with the new book called “The Unveiling” and the last thing we covered was, “Nevertheless, I have somewhat against thee, thou hast left thy first love”, and as we said the guy got permission from his inner self to rebel from his group, his teachers that were teaching him false things that he found out were not really true and did not really work in his life. He probably held on for a little while but then it just got too much for him to handle so he broke off and set himself free, but then he goes overboard and he gives himself permission to anything he wants to do and when he wants to do it.

He does this for period of time until in a quiet moment his soul speaks to him and says, “You have left your first love.” Everything that you were taught was not bad. Sure you have had false teachers but everything that they taught was not bad. They said do not steal; do not kill; do not hurt people and so on. They taught you some things that were okay; they taught you some things that required discipline and all this worked together for your good so do not throw everything away. Do not throw out the baby with the bath water.

In other words, keep the things that are good. Return to your first love where you approached learning with a discipline, where you honored your teachers that were good. There are certain things that you have learned in your struggles with your many lifetimes, so you want to return to your first love. Recognize what is false in the things you have been taught and drop those things but keep the good and the true and return and honor in those that brought to you a good discipline over the years.

My first love was the discipline I had in the Mormon Church and it was a strong discipline. We had to pay 10% tithing and with other donations it amounted to almost 15% of our income all-together. It took tremendous discipline to do that. We could not smoke or drink coffee, a lot of sexual restrictions also and so this discipline stimulated in me a desire to learn and go beyond when I might not have otherwise.

So that was probably my first love. When you break free from something like that with all that restrictions the inclination is to just go to the extreme in the other direction and this is what the disciple does. He leaves his first love where he exercised discipline and lives like the prodigal son with little or no discipline.

As we study the Labors of Hercules on Tuesday you will see that Hercules made quite a few mistakes also. He disregarded a lot of things that he knew better and so we also have to create that balance in the middle.

Next the scripture gives him some more advice, “But this thou hast, thou hates the Nicolatians, which I also hate.” That is interesting that the voice of God says that He hates something. Everybody says God doesn’t hate anything and just loves everything. Chuckle.

Audience: Chuckling

JJ: But He says He hates these Nicolaitans. The Nicolaitans were a group patterned after the disciple Nicolas and he was really a decent guy and quite pure and very disciplined and he had only one wife. But somehow because of certain things that he taught followers got the impression that anything goes with saint Nicolas so to speak. So after Nicolas was no longer on the scene his followers began to distort his teachings and they became very promiscuous.

What I think that God hated about the Nicolaitans was that they took the teachings of a good man and distorted them to be exactly the opposite of what he really stood for and what he really taught. He was for sexual purity and they turned into sexual promiscuity. Larry and I were talking about Joseph Smith and the same thing may have happened to him, there a lot of speculation that there is a possibility that he may not have all the physical relations with his wives that he was accused of and yet everyone who followed him said that we are going to practice polygamy and have all these wives because that is what Joseph Smith wanted to do.

This is what happened the Nicolations, they took a man who believed in sexual purity and only had one wife and distorted his teachings to have many wives and concubines with lots of sexual relations and everything goes. It doesn’t say what God hated about them but I think what God hated about them was that they took a good man’s teachings and they turned them upside down.

Has that happened before in history that we know about? Has it happened with Jesus teachings on love for example? How about the Christian church that burned everybody with fire that asked the wrong questions. They did this in the name of Christ and said that this was an act of love and it purified the church. Was that turning the teachings of Jesus upside down? That is like the Nicolations and followers will often do things like this.

Just because they are on the path does not mean they are perfect, but there is one thing that a person learns on the path. He saw two things that were really wrong and that he had been lied to and the second thing is he saw that the authorities of the day turn a lot of the teachings from the past upside down. God says I do not like this and you do not like this as well and we are on the same page here.

So this is one thing that the early disciple learns is to recognize is false teachers. He also learns about those teachers that take those teachings from the good men of the past and turn them completely upside down.

The scripture ends with this,

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Now he uses an interesting wording that in some circles is controversial, “to him that overcometh.” This is one area where a lot of new agers are in illusion. They think that we do not have to overcome anything and everything should be effortless. Those who think this need to read the title of the extract from a statement by the Tibetan, He points out that He has struggled and fought His way to the place on the path where He is and we must do the same. In other words, where He is, He had to get there through great struggle and effort. Nothing that is worthwhile comes without struggle and effort. Everybody in every belief system creates a short cut so the path is easy. How do the born again Christians do this, what shortcut do they take.

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McCall Gathering, 2007, Part 9

Joseph Dewey
This entry is part 9 of 54 in the series McCall Gathering 2007

The Unveiling, Part 4

The First Love

So the disciple has given himself permission to enter upon the path. The inner voice, the voice of God says to him, “I know your works and your labor and your patience, how you cannot bear them, which are evil and you have tried them that say they are apostles and you have found them liars.” Who are the apostles? The apostle means “one who is sent” or, in other words, someone that claims to be sent from God to teach you is an apostle in this context.

So who are the apostles that he is supposed to test? These would be any ministers, prophets or teachers. The inner voice is telling the seeker that he has done two things right. He has fulfilled the meaning of Ephesus, giving himself permission and he has done something else that the Spirit really likes. He has tested those that claim to be apostles representing the voice of God and have found them to be liars. They have lied and the disciple realizes this.

This is the first step he has taken on the road to becoming like the Master and he has done this part right and have tested them and found out that they are not telling the truth. Congratulations are in order and he gets a little pat on the back there from the voice of God within. “And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.”

After he found out these things, he has given him self permission. He is exploring, He has found out certain truths that have conflicted with everything he has been told and he has found out that everything everybody has been telling him has not been true and he is finding out new truths and he is congratulated or praised for not fainting and continuing even though he has probably gotten a lot of flack. He has had patience and he has prodded forward.

Nevertheless, I have somewhat against thee because thou have left thy first love.” This is interesting, you “remember therefore, from whence thou art fallen” so the praise ends there and he says the disciple has done a couple things that are really good but is really screwing up in this one area, and this is what happens: The disciple begins along the path and he does some things right and some things he really messes up. That is going to continue to happen to all of us as we go into new territory. He says this is where you really screwed up. You left your first love. Remember from whence you have fallen or else I will come in quickly and remove thy candlestick from out of its place.

His candlestick and its place signifies he is at the first step. He has taken the first and given himself permission. The Spirit says if he doesn’t take this advice then this first step that he is on is going to be like he never took it and he is going to go back and be under some one else’s permission again. So if the seeker is going to continue on the path then he needs to listen to what the Voice is saying. The disciple must remember his first love.

The regular interpretation of first love is that it must mean the church of Ephesus itself. Their first love was the gospel and they kind of deviated from the gospel and so they needed to go back to the first love and start living the teachings of Christ again. That is the normal interpretation that almost everyone gives of this. But his first love, what was his first love as far as attempting to tread the path before he actually found the path.

In his first love, he was under the authority of the system that had teachers in it and they told him what to do. He listened to them and diligently obeyed and did everything he could to live the righteous life. He did not deviate but he focused and he lived to he highest he knew.

Some of us were in the churches before we entered the path. We were good members. Some of you were good and did what you were told and you obeyed the Sabbath and you did not steal, murder, beat your spouse etc. You did the basic stuff. This was his first love, and you entered the Path.

His first love was when he was in an organization that falsely led him to believe he was on the path and he did everything very diligently that he was supposed to do. But he left his first love.

What happens to the disciple when he gives himself permission? He enters the path and goes from one extremely constricted situation where he can’t do anything and then he enters the path and he says I can give myself permission to other stuff as well and I am going to eat drink and be merry and really have a good time. And so he goes overboard and gives him self permission to party it up and go to sex orgies and all kinds of weird stuff.

They give themselves permission to do whatever they feel like and they go to the other extreme and give up all that discipline they have learned. So here the voice of the Spirit comes to the seeker. He is like the prodigal son and goes and parties and squanders all that good press that had with the inner voice and sooner or later with a moment of silence he listens again and the voice says, “return to your first love,” go back to the discipline. Sure you have permission to do this and that but it has to be balanced and the discipline you learned before you entered the path must be brought back into balance. Not everything you learned before you entered the path is bad. The discipline that you had, you will need to take this with you and apply it with common sense in your life. Return to your first love. He says you mean I just can’t do everything I want to and I still have to control myself? Yes you still have to control yourself. The disciple needs to stay disciplined and balanced even more so than before he entered the path.

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