Month: May 2024

Escaping the Beast

2021 Gathering, Part Twenty-One

Even though the media has always been somewhat biased, it used to be both sides could be represented on any question, but not anymore. There’s only one side on most of them. The media has decided which side of each question is to be represented. I think the media even controls politics more than politics control the media right now. Yeah?

Michael: The media’s controlled by corporations and corporations have their agenda, and that’s just an appendage or a mechanism for them to shape perception to get what they want.

So if it goes a little higher than that. There’s a really great book called “Hate Incorporated” that really goes into – and it was written by a guy named Matt Taibbi – but he really goes into how the media does pick the president. Shapes perception. But again, there’s an agenda behind it. They’re controlled by the oligarchs and the corporatocracy that runs this country, and the planet, basically, and that’s the goal.

JJ: Okay, well the social media, social corporations right now are the big ones. It used to be the big oil companies, but now they’re small fry compared to Facebook, Google, Twitter, and all these things. And they’re actually part of the media. So the corporations and the media have somewhat merged. And we also find big corporations not even different than the social media going and supporting things the media tells the people they’re supposed to support.

So we have tremendous pressure to conform. And the disciples . . . how do we escape the mark of the beast? One of the ways you can escape, is to work for yourself if you can. Not everybody can work for themselves, but those who can it’s a good idea. You escape a tremendous portion of the mark of the beast when you are your own boss.

But if you can’t be your own boss, then work for somebody with as much latitude as possible so you can have as much freedom as possible. With this vaccination thing, Biden has issued a decree, executive order, that any company with over 100 employees, all employees have to be inoculated, for instance. So you have a lot more freedom with a small company than maybe a big company and so on.

But yeah, if you can work for yourself . . . but even working for yourself, if it gets tight enough, we could have it to the point where they could actually put some chip in your right hand, and they could say something like, “you cannot buy or sell at the grocery store or anywhere else because you have to show this chip in your right hand. This shows that you have conformed to what we have agreed.”

Now, this could be vaccinations or some payment of taxes. It could be a number of things, but this would even affect us if we’re self-employed. The only people who wouldn’t be affected totally would be people who maybe have a bunch of gold stored away in their basement or something.

Maybe they could barter with that, but outside of that, there’s that possibility, and we want to avoid that possibility. So people need to wake up and do everything they can to make sure that freedom continues. Free speech is probably the most important freedom to continue to fight for, because there are so many agents out there trying to eliminate free speech through the back door.

Politically acceptable speech, that seemed really harmless 30, 40 years ago is now rejected by over half of the millennials who support the idea of making it illegal to say unpopular speech. That’s pretty scary when you think that older people are in for orthodox free speech, but the younger people are for some reason, they’re highly offended over all kinds of things. Close to half of them want free speech to be controlled by law. If we ever get to that point, we will be in big trouble. So hopefully we can prevent that from happening. Okay. Any other questions on authority, the mark of the beast?

Curtis: Well, they are trying to control guns through ammunition right now. It’s really hard to go down to Walmart and buy some. There’s really no ammunition available, so, you know . . .

JJ: Can you buy it at a gun shop or anything?

Curtis: No.

JJ: Really?

Curtis: Sometimes you can buy rounds for guns that nobody uses. You know, all these rare guns or whatever. But it’s not like it was ten years ago. You can’t go down and buy a nine-millimeter or 30, 30’s . . . they’re just gone. I got most of them. (laughter)

JJ: Well good for you.

Asaph: JJ, what are the future options for where the beast can go, in your opinion?

JJ: You mean after the media?

Asaph: Yeah.

JJ: Probably back to politicians.

Asaph: Islam, back to Islam?

JJ: They could go back to Islam because I don’t think the beast is done with Islam because it’s a powerful factor, especially now with Afghanistan getting billions of dollars’ worth of free weapons so they could become a major problem again. The negative powers that be could think, well, you know, there might be opportunity to exploit these guys.

So yeah, we’ll keep an eye on it because the beast is always ahead of public opinion. Public opinion thinks the beast is always where it was ten years ago. And public opinion never sees where it is right now, until it’s too late.

And then when they see it, then the beast will move somewhere else, as its focus.

Curtis: Probably into education.

JJ: Yeah, yeah, that can be. It’s now controlling education to a large degree, but it could be . . . It’s not really the focus of evil right now, but it could be. Yeah?

Adam: I was going to say, and you may have talked about this earlier today, but I know it’s extensive in your book . . . you know, you even have a chapter Beast-R-US, and ultimately the responsibility is on each of us because the ability . . . the power of the beast lies . . . you can have a perfectly benevolent, wonderful teacher. You could be reading DK. You could be reading good things from the Bible. You could think JJ is a great teacher, and they are. And they may have no ill intent themselves, but when we use them . . . just take their word for it without, you know, exploring our own inner Christ, and don’t place a check on that, then we make them an authority, regardless of any authoritative thing of those good things they’re trying to do.

So we ultimately bear the responsibility of not wearing the mark.

JJ: That’s a good point. Let’s suppose that 100 years from now my teachings become really famous with a large number of people, and in this in this group, they say, oh, you’re speaking contrary to what J.J. says, that’s wrong. You’re going to be thrown out, you know? So I could become the beast, or I can become the focus of the beast.

Or my teachings could be if they become . . . if the people that have control of my writings were too black and white. Just like even the words of Jesus, as great as they are, if they’re controlled by strong authority, then they’re part of the mark of the beast. If, if you can’t interpret it according to the God within, if you’re prohibited from interpreting anything, and that thing that you’re trying to interpret may be the greatest light that’s out there, but if some authority is telling you how to interpret it and you can’t interpret it any other way and you accept that, then you have accepted the mark of the beast.

And so to escape the mark of the beast is, in simplicity, we just have to think for ourselves and not let others do our thinking and not let others control our actions and our feelings, but develop them in cooperation with the Holy Spirit within.

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The Focus of Evil

2021 Gathering, Part Twenty

Shawn: So, that’s an interesting one, and I liked the information you were giving us on 666. I had a funny experience with that.

Well, let me just first say I respect those who are teaching Relief Society in the Mormon Church or any other Sunday School or anywhere, because that’s what they’re supposed to be doing right now. So everything is kind of gray and there’s nothing that’s black and white or right for us all.

But for me tithing in the Church was a huge thing, you know. It’s your pass to the temple . . . one of the main passes. But my tithing was always kept track of meticulously. So I had multiple sources of income, even though they weren’t big, they were multiple sources. One year in 2014, I added all these up. And it was not a good year. (laugh) But the number was 666.

JJ: Oh really. (laughing)

Shawn: And I had to laugh because the Lord has a sense of humor. So that was the last time I paid tithing in that forum to the Mormon Church. I had records from years and years, and I just threw them all away. But I kept track of not just this current year, but all the years and it was in a spreadsheet, and I was getting to a point of trying to give more of a percentage away than just ten percent . . . and all this stuff . . . but then in the end it came down to 666. That’s what I paid; you know it was 666. Six hundred sixty-six dollars and sixty-six cents.

JJ: Haha, wow.

Shawn: So that was what, there’s a few sixes there. But that was what the number actually came out to be when you included everything I had. But that’s not to say that things aren’t changing, that we can’t change. That’s not to say that Elder Nelson can’t go from lying for the Lord to being maybe a prophet with a small p. I don’t know, you know. So we’re all able to change, we’re all able to grow, and to do things. And so his lying for the Lord in the past, maybe the Lord forgave him for that. There’s just a lot that changes. So I appreciate your information on judgment. Because I used to look at judgment as not judging others, but your information was enlightening for me yesterday. So thank you.

JJ: Yeah. When you think of unearned authority, it’s just not the Church, it’s everywhere. The medical establishment is very powerful with unearned authority. People go to their doctor, and he may say, “well, it looks like you’ve got three months to live, sorry fella.” And they’ll take it to heart and oftentimes when they’re told that, they’ll die right at three months, just because of their belief system.

Other people just think that through and reject it, and they’ll live a long life, but they have to put that negative thoughts out of their minds. They have to reject that unearned authority. That doctor doesn’t know he’s got three months to live for sure. Then they will just go through the orthodox prescription of medicine, orthodox treatment.

Concerning cancer, for instance, they will use standard radiation treatments and so on, that will often not only kill you but make your death very painful and distressful. Sometimes you’re a lot better off to live a few months, shorter time period, and a better quality of life.

My sister and Curtis’s mother went through hell with her cancer treatments, and I think she would’ve been better off to not take any treatment at all.

Curtis: Yeah, for a year, a year of pain and suffering.

JJ: She said my mother took some cancer treatments and they were successful for her. But I know when my sister got it, she said, “boy didn’t know what my mom must have gone through.” She said, “it was a lot harder than I imagined.” That’s what she told me.

Curtis: She said, “well I just saw my doctor and I just signed my death warrant.”

JJ: She said that?

Curtis: Yeah.

JJ:  Wow. Yeah, that’s too bad.

Curtis: There was no turning her around. There was no convincing her.

JJ: Yeah, that’s too bad.

And there are a lot of people with good cancer treatments that have saved a lot of lives, and many have been thrown in jail. They suffer persecution from the government, especially when they find treatments that are cheap. If there’s a treatment that’s expensive and big pharma can make a bunch money off of it, then that’s no problem. You can take that treatment all you want, as long as it makes the establishment a bunch of money.

The same thing with Covid, like, Ivermectin is really cheap. A lot of physicians who are honest will say that the virus could’ve been completely eliminated if we had just used that alone, as the major medicine. But because it’s cheap, nobody in the establishment wants to, for they are making a lot of money and want to promote it to keep the dollars flowing in.

Curtis: What is it that’s cheap?

JJ: Ivermectin. It is a really cheap drug that you can get. It’s a horse de-wormer.

Curtis: Oh yeah, I heard about that.

JJ: And a handful of people have taken the horse medicine, which is a thousand times as much as a human is supposed to take, and it’s made them sick. So the media projects this, “these stupid people out there taking this horse medicine and it’s making them sick.” Well, hardly anyone’s taking the horse medicine amount. I mean, maybe about two to three people out of millions. But that’s what they use as an example.

Artie and I have taken it several times and you don’t feel as much effect as you do from an aspirin. You just don’t feel anything.

Curtis: And it’ll knock out the virus?

JJ: Yeah, and prevents you from having it too.

Curtis: I want some.

JJ: Well Artie will give you the name of a doctor that will prescribe it.

Asaph: Indiscernible. (laughter)

JJ: Yeah, a lot of people are going to the veterinarian supplies and getting it and trying to chop off the right amount for themselves. But you have to make sure you don’t get the horse dosage.

Susan: You take an eighth of a teaspoon per 150 pounds.

JJ: Have you taken it, Sue?

Susan: I have for ten months.

JJ: For ten months, oh. Yeah, you can’t afford to get it can you?

Susan: (nods)

JJ: And this is all part of the control of the beast. The beast right now is really tightly controlling the media. You have anyone in the media that tries to write an honest article or present an honest news story on controversial items that they don’t want out . . . they’ll get fired immediately. Or they’ll get reassigned. Or they’ll get warned, you know.

“We won’t publish this, and any more of this and you’re gone.” So they control these people tremendously in the media, and the funny thing about the tricky old beast, is he moves from one place to another. The mistake a lot of conservatives make who try to pinpoint the conspiracies out there . . . they’ll say, “well the conspiracies among the Jews or the international bankers . . . I’m sure Asaph is a big conspirator.

Asaph: I own the bank.

JJ: The international bankers or the intelligentsia of some type, the illuminati . . . and they try to pinpoint all these . . . or the communist conspiracy. But what they don’t realize is the dark brotherhood moves around. During Hitler’s time, they were focused on the Nazis.

After the Nazis were defeated, a lot of people were worried that that’s where the focus of evil still was, so they were doing everything they could to eliminate every Nazi they could that continued to exist, but that wasn’t where the beast was anymore.

Then it moved over to communism and built up the Soviet empire. And then when it became obvious where the focus of evil was, communism fell, and the dark brothers moved somewhere else.

Ed: Those who control the money.

JJ:

Well, money’s always been part of the control, whether it’s been Communism, Naziism, or whatever, but money itself is neutral and can be used for good or evil.

Asaph: Extreme Islam

JJ: Right. Extreme Islam. That became the next one. And then, Bush started this war against radical Islam and we kind of got things somewhat under control, and we never got attacked again, and so the beast snuck away from them and thought, “well, maybe I’ll get back to them a little later.” Where’s the focus of evil right now?

Curtis: Afghanistan.

Adam: CNN. (laughter)

Michael: Wallstreet.

Asaph: China.

Adam: The media.

JJ: The media. Right. The media. It’s focusing on the media. The media is breaking all the rules. I minored in journalism when I was in college, worked on the college newspaper, and the prime directive was you do not insert opinion in hard news. If I were to do that in the papers that I wrote in college, I would have gotten an F. And now, all these media people deserve F’s because they inject their opinion in hard news.

For instance they will act like Ivermectin is used only for horses and we are not horses and shouldn’t be taking it, and that’s a complete lie. People are not taking the horse dosage. Maybe a couple did a long time ago. They’ll say that it’s unproven and doesn’t work, and they inject their opinion. And most who have used it says that it does work. The nations that are using it have a lot lower infection rate than we do.

Nations in Africa are using it. The only nation in Africa that has a problem is South Africa, which is very western in their thinking. The rest of the continent uses natural methods and use Ivermectin, and they don’t have much problem. And they also use Hydroxychloroquine there a lot in like Nigeria. We have several people in the group from Nigeria and they don’t have any problem there at all to speak of. They tell us . . . yeah, they use Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, which are completely discouraged by the media here.

So it’s interesting how the mark of the beast is so powerful and in control. And it shifts, it shifts around, and right now it’s in the media. And in the media, anyone with any light cannot write anything that reveals light and truth. If they do, they will be fired . . . unless it’s in alignment, unless it doesn’t disturb the thoughtform.

You know they could maybe write about motherly love or loving your dog or something like that, and they’d say, “well that’s okay.” But they can’t write anything that reveals light and truth on say, the virus or anything controversial that they have taken a side on.

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666, The Number of the Beast

2021 Gathering, Part Nineteen

JJ: Then it tells us about the mark of the beast . . . that the beast will have the number . . . we’ll be able to recognize the beast because he has the number 666. Now six is a number that governs the solar plexus, the emotions, and it governs strong authority. It also governs the Piscean age. So it’s very powerful during the Piscean age.

So six governs emotional control, and control by strong authority, as represented in the Piscean age. There are three sixes. The reason there are three sixes, is because it controls all three areas of normal living. The first is the physical. The second is the emotional. And the third is the mind. And the beast wants to control them all.

In other words, the reason he’s called the beast is because the people subjected to him are like beasts. They’re like animals that don’t think on their own. They’re herded around. They’re told what to do, what to think, how to behave, where to go, and when to eat and one of the reasons that he’s called the beast is that we are treated as beasts by a beastly authority if we have the mark of the beast.

So what happens if you receive the mark of the beast and the 666?  Then you will be subject to control of the beast on the physical level – so if he tells you to do something, you will do it. If he tells you to pay your taxes, you pay your taxes. Just about all of us do that, don’t we? If he tells us to get vaccinated, we get vaccinated. If he tells us we’re supposed to attend church, we attend church. Whatever the outward authorities tell us to do, that is what we physically do.

The mark of the beast on the emotions is extra control still. They tell us how we’re supposed to feel about stuff. You’re supposed to feel respectful toward this president, but not this president; toward this person, but not this person; toward this group; but not this group. So there will be people, unearned authorities, telling you how you’re supposed to feel about things.

Now this thing that you’re told to feel about, could be something good,or it could be something negative. It doesn’t really matter. If you’re just feeling that way because that’s the way you’re supposed to feel, then you have the mark of the beast.

One person here may feel one direction, like say communism is great. Another person may feel capitalism is great. And maybe they’re both feeling that way just because they’re told that’s the way they’re supposed to feel, even though they disagree with each other. And even though one ideology may be a lot more correct than the other, it doesn’t really matter. Even if what you feel is the right thing . . . if you’re feeling it just because you’re supposed to feel, because that’s what the authorities decreed, then you have the mark of the beast in your emotional body.

Okay, now your mind. This is what the beast is really going after in this age . . . is the mind. Because we’re switching from the age of Pisces to the age of Aquarius. And the age of Aquarius is ruled by mind. And when you have a switch from one age to another, you have the energies of the old age seeking to survive. So they will do everything possible to pull you back to the old way of thinking, and this is what is happening right now.

We’re at a point where half the population seems to have a little common sense, and the other half seems to have no sense whatsoever. (laughing) And so we have people who are trying to implement the thinking polarization in the mind. And the other half resisting and doing everything they can to like, uh, limit free speech for instance. We cannot have the mind dominate if we can’t have free speech.

This is one of the big battlegrounds right now . . . is free speech. Because without, we cannot enter peaceably into the Aquarian Age. That’s just one example. We must be able to keep the freedom of speech, or else we cannot demonstrate the power of mind over emotion. Without free speech, emotion can completely dominate.

So we want to eliminate the power of the beast over the mind. This has to start with the individual. The individual has to realize that if he is told he has to believe a certain thing or think a certain way, then he has to look at it and ask, “what is really true?” This is what he has to ask.

And this is what many people in the churches and in the political parties don’t do. They say, “well this is what we believe.” Instead of questioning it, they just go along with it. To question it, you need free your mind from the beast and actually ask questions.

And this got me and Curtis in a lot of trouble with the Mormon church when we started asking questions. If you ask too many questions, whether it be the Mormon church or the Democrat or Republican party, the Catholic church, Islam – boy Islam, you really get into bad shape if question anything there – so the disciple needs to be able to ask questions. And he has to internally come up with questions that he will answer from his inner self.

So that’s basically the mark of the beast. And the number of the beast is the three sixes, first six: energy controlling the body and the actions of the body. And the second six: controlling the emotional energy, the emotional self. And the third six: emotional, authoritative energy governing the mind, so telling you what to think.

How about you, Asaph, do you think on your own?

Asaph: No, I just listen to you and do what you tell me.  (laughter)

JJ: (laughing) That’s easy. Well, you know, that’s interesting that you say that, even though you’re joking. This is the lazy man’s way. And a lot of people think this way. It’s like the Mormon leaders used to tell me and Curtis, you know, as far as Mormon doctrine goes, thinking has been done and judgment has been set, and this is the way it is, okay. The thinking has already been done.

Curtis: Yeah, what got us in trouble was asking, “well, if the prophet is a revelator, show us a new revelation.”

JJ: Yeah.

Curtis: They tell us, “Well, everything he (prophet) says is a revelation. (laughter) If he speaks, he’s revealing.”

JJ:
Yeah, they’ll say “ don’t you guys attend General Conference? All kinds of revelations are going on there.” 

Curtis: “Yeah, lots of them.”

“No ‘thus saith the Lord.’ No . . . well show us one specific then.” And they talk about blacks receiving the priesthood. That was the big revelation back in the day.

So you can’t discern unless you can ask questions.

JJ: Yeah.

Susan: But it’s changed now.

Curtis: Huh?

Susan:  It’s changed now.

Curtis: Yeah?

Susan: Because what they’re saying now is that “the restoration” is not through – that there’s a lot more to come.

 JJ and Curtis: They say it’s not true?

JJ: Oh, not through. Well, in the Articles of Faith it says there’s a lot more to come, alright.

Susan: But they emphasize it now. They’re not pretending that they’ve got it all.

Ed:

The energy of Aquarius shines on the whole world and people interpret it in different ways according to their belief.

Susan and JJ: Yeah.

Curtis: Well, is it coming through? What’s coming through? Anything recently? I know they’ve changed the structure of the church – it’s no longer 70’s . . .

Susan: They’re emphasizing women and the priesthood.

JJ: Do you think they’ll give women the priesthood one of these days?

Susan: I don’t think they’ll ever give them the authority to run the church, but they are talking about how women have the priesthood.

JJ: Oh yeah. Co-priesthood-holders is what they used when I was in the church.

Curtis: The what?

JJ: Co-priesthood holders, for women. Yeah, trying to make them feel a little bit better about not having it. (laughter)

Rebecca: What’s the key word here for the fourth Key? Is it authority?

JJ: There’s no one key word for it, but yeah, authority would be the most important word to understand. But the key to the Book of Revelation is that it’s not something that’s going to literally happen on the physical plane.

Now we’ll have things that happen where people will say, “oh boy, it looks like the Book of Revelation is coming true.” And then it won’t all happen as advertised, but certain things will correspond.

For instance, when they had the nuclear accident at Chernobyl, I think the root of Chernobyl had something to do with Wormwood. And a lot of people thought, well this is the beginning. (laughter) And then nothing followed, you know. But there will be correspondences, and not everything will happen in the sequence there. But the sequence there is important for the development of the disciple, as he develops awareness as he continues on.”

Now, you have the seven churches showing the development of the seven rays within the seven chakras. After they get so developed, then in Chapter Four, what happens? What happens in Chapter Four? The Heavens open. Okay. What does that symbolize?

Curtis: Your spirit begins to radiate.

Asaph: Soul contact.

JJ: It symbolizes the transfiguration like as happened with Christ, for instance. It symbolizes the third initiation – the point where the person receives communication with the inner God, okay.

So we have the first three chapters, no, then it’s Chapter Four where the heavens open if I remember right. In the first three chapters, they talk about the seven churches and what they mean, and the letters to them. Kind of just standard stuff it sounds like, and then the heavens open and he has the grand revelation.

So it symbolizes the progression of the disciple. He struggles along, overcomes all kinds of things. He gets pretty much control of his physical appetites. Then he gets control of his emotions. Now when he gets control of his emotions and starts to develop his mind, then the heavens . . . then there’s a connection when he gets to that link with the higher mind, then the heavens open.

And the heaven’s opening in that chapter reveal the great arrival of the disciple into soul contact or contact with the inner self. And then from that point it on, it goes into the development where the person becomes like Christ. And then it even goes beyond Christ, representing what development Christ would make after he had the resurrection experience. So it’s pretty interesting when you look at it in that light. Okay, any more comments on that key?

Rebecca: What was it called again?

JJ: The key to the Book of Revelation, would be just the name of it. It represents the path of the disciple. I think RuLeena said that statement, she said the path of the disciple.

Ed: In Esoteric Psychology, they have the rules for disciples.

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The Mark of the Beast

2021 Gathering, Part Eighteen

What’s interesting is that authority has been considered a good thing and the days of Jesus was no exemption. In past ages we had an emperor or king with strong authority. The people thought that it was good to have a strong king, and this king . . . if you don’t do what he says, off with your head. They really respected the king as long as it’s the “right head” that goes off. (laughing) You know, “not my head.”

So the strong authority was respected, and Jesus had to set up the organization of the Molecule in that day with fairly strong authority, and he had to demonstrate that authority with the great miracles he performed. The great miracles that he performed, caused people to look upon him as “wow, this is a man with authority!”

Like, when he stilled the winds, and there was a big storm . . . they asked, “what manner of man is this?” that even the winds obeyed him. And they began to see his authority, respect it. That authority was good, but the way it was seen was not so good, for there was something flawed in the way the authority began to develop after the days of Jesus.

John the Revelator saw that this was happening for he said, “even now, the antichrist is in the world.” (I John 4:3 ) And what is the religious world expecting? They think the antichrist is going to show up in the near future. But John, in one of his short books, said that, “even now, the anti-christ is in the world.”

So even then, it was “in the world.” So John saw that this negative spin on authority was going to get out of hand sometime by the end of the Piscean age. The Piscean age represents this powerful authority, and the unearned authority is the mark of the beast. He saw the beast rise up out of the sea with seven heads and ten horns and ten crowns upon his heads. This beast represented powerful authority. We won’t go into everything that the beast means right now, but we have the beast and then the image of the beast. These all represent extensions of powerful misuse of authority.

Now there’s two types of authority. There’s earned authority and unearned authority.

Authority in this age has some good aspects to it if it is an earned authority. In other words, if you’re going to learn Spanish, and your teacher can demonstrate that he can speak Spanish, and he can write it, and he knows all about it, he is an earned authority. And when he teaches you something about Spanish, you think “well it’s probably true,” because he has demonstrated he understands it.

If you have another teacher who can’t speak it, who says, “yeah, I can teach you,” then you’re not sure whether you can trust him or not when he tells you how a word is pronounced. Maybe he’s right. Maybe he’s wrong. But if he demands that you believe him whether he has authority or not, then that’s the misuse of authority. And we see that misuse all the time in our system today.

The government comes out with something, like say the current vaccine. We don’t know if it’s safe or not, but if anyone doubts it, they want to punish us. If somebody believes it, fine. It may or may not be safe, but we should have the freedom to doubt. They don’t give us the freedom to doubt. They say, if the government decrees something, we’re just supposed to accept it without doubt. If we doubt, then they want to punish us.

So, the beast will come forward, and he will permeate society and he will demand that we have a mark in the right hand or the forehead. It says, without this mark, we can’t buy or sell. So how do the regular fundamentalist Christians interpret the mark of the beast? Anybody know?

Audience: They say it’s a physical mark.

JJ: Physical mark. Right. Have you heard about the computer chip being planted in your right hand?

Rebecca:  Inaudible – something about the MRNA vaccine.

JJ: Okay, so . . . it never made a lot of sense to me, putting a computer chip in the forehead. (laughing) I wonder how they figure that. Okay, so other people think the barcode is the mark of the beast because apparently it has 666 in it somehow. So they come up with all kinds of things that they figure the beast will be doing to prevent us from buying or selling.

Now what’s interesting is that during the rise of Hitler, a lot of people thought that he might be the antichrist. He did decide to put a mark in people’s hands, and since he read the Bible, he thought, “well, I don’t want to be compared with the beast, so I’m not going to put it in the right hand, I’m going to put it in their left hand.” So with the Jews, he put the mark in their left hand, rather than their right hand so he wouldn’t be compared to being the beast.

If he would’ve put it in the right hand, people would’ve had evidence for him being the beast. So I thought that was a clever thing for him to do, to use the left arm and left hand for the marks that he put in various people.

The fact that he put the mark in the left hand, did not mean that the Nazis escaped the mark of the beast. They still had the mark of the beast. The mark of the beast in the right hand . . . what does that mean?

Asaph: The deeds.

JJ: Right. The deeds. Your labor. The right hand symbolizes your labor. It means that the labors that you perform have to be approved by unearned authority. Okay. So the mark in the forehead . . . what does that mean?

Curtis: The way you think.

JJ: The way you think. The thoughts that you think and believe in, must be approved by an unearned authority. That would be the mark of the beast in the forrehead.

I realized this when I was in the Mormon church, when I was about to be excommunicated. I thought, “they are the mark of the beast.” They put the mark of the beast in the forehead. If you think differently, they will get rid of you. That’s what happened to me. I escaped the mark of the beast by declaring “I do not have to think the way I’ve been told to think, by people that don’t know the truth.”

The people who are unearned authorities were telling me what to think, and I did not have to participate so I could escape the mark of the beast. And in Revelation 14: 1, it tells about people who escape the mark of the beast, and where did they have the mark?

Adam: The name of God in their hearts . . . heads.

JJ: Right. The name of God was in their foreheads. It says they had the name of God in their foreheads. Instead of the mark of the beast in their foreheads, it says the 144,000 that “followeth the lamb whithersoever he goeth,” hath the name of God in their foreheads, not the mark of the beast. These are people who escape the mark of the beast. But what does it mean to have the name of God in your forehead?

Curtis: You follow your inner light. Follow your own soul.

JJ: Right. That means that you realize that God can speak to you personally. That you have within you a spark from God. You have within you a connection to God that bypasses any outward authority. If you have a revelation, an intuition, an instinct that comes to you from the God within your forehead . . . and the crown, the ajna center within you’re forehead . . . is said to be the throne of God. God sits in between the two pedals of the ajna center. A pedal here and a pedal here (pointing), and the throne of God is here. This is where the throne of God is within the forehead that you can tune into and bypass any mark of the beast. So you can escape the mark of the beast in the forehead by focussing on God sitting on his throne in the forehead.

So it says, “144,000.” Does that mean like the Jehovah’s Witnesses taught, until recently at least, when they exceeded the number . . . that there are only going to be 144,000 in heaven, and then that’s it?

Curtis: Inaudible.

JJ: Yeah, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are kind of funny there. They taught that . . . when they were a small church, they taught that there was a limit. Then when the people that were claiming to be or get the revelation of the 144,000, that they were one of them . . . when they exceeded the 144,000, then they went back to the Bible and they found, “well, there’s another group here that might get into heaven.” (laughing)

So they’re squeezing more people in now. (laughing) But that’s funny how that happens when the scriptures don’t quite fit people’s interpretation. Then they can alter their interpretation to make it fit their mindset.

No. The 144,000 is just a symbolic number. It’s a molecular number, representing what you might call a human cell. It doesn’t correspond a hundred percent to a human cell, but it’s a molecular combination where, when there is a 144,000 with soul contact, they will reach a lifeform together that, it says, “they follow the Christ whithersoever he goeth.”

So they will be like 144,000 Messiahs, so to spea, but that’s just one number. Then there will be a second 144,000. And then a third 144,000. So, it’s not a limiting number. It’s a number of a combination that will produce some spectacular results when that number is reached.

Curtis: It’ll be like a planetary DNA.

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Key Four: The Unveiling – The Path of The Disciple

2021 Gathering, Part Seventeen

JJ: We’ve only got nine Keys to go. (laughter) We won’t spend a lot of time on each one of them. Anyone remember what Key number four is?

Key number four is the Key to the Book of Revelation itself. And does anyone remember what that is?

Audience: The Unveiling?

JJ: That’s kind of a key word.

Audience: The Path of the Disciple.

JJ: What. Path of the Disciple, is that what you said? Yes. That’s the right direction.

The key to the book of Revelation is not that we’re going to have tremendous destruction, and not going to have big comet that falls upon the waters and destroys one-third of all the fish, and all these things that it talks about there – where tremendous destruction is going to just rain down.

And that should be obvious from the first couple of verses. Because it begins by saying, “Blessed is he that readeth and doeth the things in this book.” (paraphrased) Okay, so who in the world feels blessed after reading the Book of Revelation? You read the Book of Revelation and if things are going to happen, literally, as it says, you think, boy, I don’t even want to be there. Nobody is going to be blessed. Everybody is going to be upset. If you have a 100 million man-army (or whatever it says) raise up. If you have locusts and all kinds of plagues happening . . who’s going to feel blessed about that?

And this book, this revelation is given, “to show unto his servants that which will shortly come to pass.” Now that’s interesting for it’s been two thousand years, and by most any standard – unless you’re on Kolob time of some type – two thousand years is not a short time. Can you imagine someone making a prophecy right now saying, “it’s just going to be a short time before this prophecy happens . . .  sometime after the year 4000.” People would look at you funny, “well that’s not a short time. The year 4000? Boy that’s a long way away.”

But it says that this revelation will “show unto his servants, that which will come to pass within a short time.” Okay. How could that prophecy possibly come true?

It will come true because those who read it and understand, will have everything in the book of Revelation come to pass in their minds within a short period of time. As soon as they understand it, their understanding comes to pass.

The whole Book of Revelation explains how an average person, an average seeker, can advance to become a disciple, and then to become like Christ, and then even go beyond where Christ is. The book gives us steps in advancement so when the disciple reads this and understands, he can understand how to incorporate them in a short time.

As a matter of fact, the book is written to shorten the amount of time it takes to become like Christ. If you understand the principles in the Book of Revelation, your path of becoming like Christ will be shortened.

So why didn’t John just write something clear about how to follow the path of the disciple and become like Christ? Why do you think he didn’t write it that way?

Asaph: The authorities would have destroyed him.

JJ: Right! The authorities of the Church would have destroyed it immediately. “Well that’s blasphemous to become like Christ, okay. We cannot allow this book to remain!”

But on the other hand, authorities kind of like books of doom. So he wrote a doomsday book. He put everything that the disciple needs to become like Christ if he can read it correctly. So the information is still there, but it’s hidden.

Okay. So we have the messages to the seven churches. What does that symbolize?

Audience: The energy points?

JJ: Right. It symbolizes the opening of the seven chakras. So in order to become like Christ, what each disciple has to do is open the seven chakras: the base of the spine, the sacral, the solar plexus, the heart, the throat, the third-eye, and the top of the head.

So all of these letters to the churches, are symbolic of that and the seven Rays. The Seven Rays . . . the First Ray is the Ray of Power – Will, Power, Purpose; the second Ray is Love-Wisdom; the Third Ray is the Ray of Active Intelligence . . . what do you think that means, Active Intelligence? Curtis you’re pretty active intelligence. Do you know what . . . what does that mean when it says Active Intelligence?

Curtis: It means you’re doing things intelligently?

JJ: Yeah, the Third Ray governs matter. And you’ll notice that matter has intelligence built into it. And a long time ago, in a past Universe, everything was created from scratch so to speak, and all that intelligence that was gathered to create the subatomic particles of matter and put everything together was like great computer programs that were developed.

And so matter itself has active intelligence built into it. And we would be amazed at the intelligence built into a single atom. It took a tremendous amount of intelligence to build that. This is why matter is governed by the third Ray of Active Intelligence, because it took Active Intelligence to create matter. Yeah, Ed, you had something?

Ed: In Latin, matter is mater. Mater means mother.

JJ: Yeah, it’s closely associated with mother.

Ed: The mother principle.

JJ: And the female energy is closely associated with matter – mother-matter, so to speak. That’s a good point.

Okay, the Fourth Ray is the Ray governing creative energy [Harmony through Conflict]; and the Fifth Ray is Concrete Science; and then the Sixth Ray is the Ray of Devotion, and this is the Ray that is really strong right now – Ray Six, because Ray Six governed the age of Pisces. And the age of Pisces was a very strong, authoritative, idealistic age. We had the Crusades, which was a very idealistic thing.

But it began with Jesus. Jesus presented idealism in the most positive way you can think of – the perfect man, the perfect example, the perfect disciple, the perfect Messiah. He presented the ideal man. And so He presented the sixth Ray, and one of the few times in the Piscean age that the sixth Ray was presented in a real positive way.

But as time went on during this Piscean age, this idealism became corrupted. So we began to fight . . . one idealistic society began to fight another for who’s ideal was the one that was going to rule. So this idealism fought against idealism. The Sixth Ray also governs the solar plexus and has a very strong emotional energy. We see, during the past 2000 years, very strong emotional energy centered around very idealistic thought, in conflict with other idealistic thought.

Now some idealism has brought forth some good things. The teachings about the ideal of love has been good, despite the fact that, some say, Christianity has done a lot of negative things . . . it’s also done a lot of positive things. And the interesting thing about love is that before Jesus came along, they used the word, but they didn’t understand it in the way He presented it. He presented it in a way that people never thought of it before.

And this is what we really don’t understand today, that love has actually permeated society more than a lot of people think it actually has. Because back in those days, keeping a slave was no big deal. If you conquered other people, well you had the right to take their women as your wives and abuse them as you wanted. If you conquered another people, you would humiliate their leaders . . . cut off their ears and cut off their tongues, maybe pour molten lead down their throats to teach them a lesson.

But they did stuff back then that was just kind of normal, for the time. And they didn’t think about the human consequences. And we do some bad stuff today, but we don’t go around pouring lead down people’s throats after we win a war over them. We don’t do stuff like they did in those old days. Maybe the Taliban’s the closest to doing stuff like that. Most countries that we see in a negative light, aren’t nearly as bad as they were before Jesus showed up.

So Jesus showed up at a time when people were entrenched in materialism. They were not very friendly to animals. If they saw a dog, they often saw it as something that was just to be killed, or thrown out, or disparaged. They didn’t have pets the way we have them today.

There are a lot of differences between now and 2000 years ago. They didn’t have anything like the Red Cross, which takes care of people on both sides of the battle. We didn’t have charitable organizations like we have today. So we have made a lot more progress than people think.

And it goes against what I learned in church. When I was going to church, they used to say, “We are living in the most wicked generation that ever lived!” Have you heard that a lot? Yeah, but it’s not. If you think about it, it’s not the wickedest generation at all. If you read the ancient history you’ll see people did some terrible things to each other.

If you go back to the ancient Israelites, they were criticized because they would conquer a people and maybe kill everybody in the town, or whatever. And people say, “well that was horrible.” But the other nations were even worse. The other nations would not just kill you, but they would torture everybody. Israelites didn’t torture people after they conquered them . . . they just enslaved them or eliminated them. And they were fairly merciful about it in comparison to the other nations that would sacrifice their babies, they would take their wives and rape them and abuse them.

By our standards, the ancient Israelites were kind of rough. But their enemies were a lot rougher than they were. And this is what the critics of the Bible leave out. As time progresses, that which is evil in one time becomes something else in another time. That which was good in the days of Moses, became evil in the days of Jesus. And that which was good in the days of Jesus, has become evil today. What was good in the days of Jesus that has become evil today?

Asaph: Slavery.

JJ: Yeah, slavery was considered good, not by Jesus and the Apostles, but there was something else that was considered really good, or reasonably good back then that now people realize is not so great. And John the Revelator realized it when he wrote the Book of Revelation.

Adam: Strong authority.

JJ: Strong authority. Right. Strong authority was considered a good thing. Jesus was a central authority, and he organized the Molecule around Him. Back then, people’s consciousness could not transcend strong authority. But John realized that and revealed the dark side of authority, but did it in his writings about the beast.

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Perception and Truth

2021 Gathering, Part Sixteen

Joshua: I’ve had somebody use a phrase with me in a conversation, and I called them out for it. And then they said, “well, you know . . .” And then I said something, and they were like, “oh yeah, I really meant that.” But what they said was totally different from the thing that they allegedly meant.

JJ: Kind of weird how that happens. It’s very difficult to . . . you can’t really win an argument with an emotional person. Because when you try to correct yourself, you say, “well, that’s not me. I don’t mean that. I don’t believe that. I never said that, and if you heard it that way, you misunderstood me.” And sometimes they’ll turn around and say, “are you calling me a liar?” (laughter) “No, I’m not calling you a liar, you just misunderstood me.”

And so, a highly evolved person arguing with a very emotional person has a lot of difficulty because of incorrect perception. This is one of the most important places to use correct perception.

Where we have disagreements with another human being, we must perceive them correctly and judge them correctly. Judge them as an honest person, and say, “well, if that’s not what you meant, tell me in your own words what you really meant. ‘Cause this is what I felt that you meant. So tell me what you really meant.” Then if the person will be honest, then you can resolve the conflict.

If the person refuses to let you correct yourself and communicate what you really did mean, then it’s a problem that’s very difficult to resolve. If you have an argument with an emotional person, they do often not want to perceive correctly. The most important part of this key is to desire to perceive correctly – not to desire to perceive in a way that you can win an argument, or that’s to your advantage – but just desire to perceive what is really there. That’s the most important part of the key.

Okay, anything else?

Michael: So there’s a gentleman by the name of Thomas Kuhn, and he’s the person that in the sixties coined the word paradigm. And he studied scientists and a lot of different things about them, but one of the observations that he made was that if scientists had a preconceived idea as to how an experiment would turn out, they really believed this was how it was going to work, that oftentimes they would twist the data to make it fit their belief. And so, if we had a really strong belief – political, religious, personality, whatever . . . if we’re really attached to that, and somebody presents something that doesn’t fit, we’re going to twist it, so it fits. We’ll discount it completely.

And so to understand, I think, the role that perception plays and being willing to step back and say, “maybe I’m right, maybe I’m not. I’m not attached to this outcome. It maybe needs more exploration.” But I found that pretty interesting . . . And I talked to a friend who ran a chemical lab, a PhD in chemistry, and I told him about that. And he goes, “oh yeah, we do that all the time.” “Really? You’re a brilliant scientist and you twist facts?” “Oh yeah, it just happens.”

That was quite an eye-opener. And understanding that, and then you watch political discourses and what people post about this and that, it’s like, it doesn’t matter what the facts are. “I’ll make it fit.”

JJ: Right. And that happens all the time. It’s kind of sad, and that happens in polls too. The polls, they’ll say, “well, the polls show that 80% of people believe this.” But what you have to look at is the question that is asked. Often, they do not tell you how they asked the question, or who they asked the question to. How they ask the question can change the numbers 30-40%.

Like, “do you think we should get out of Afghanistan?” Well, 90% of the people would say yes. You could say, “well, that means Joe Biden did the right thing.” (laughter) But 90% of the people don’t think he did the right thing the way that he did it. So that’s just one way they can askew the polls.

And they do this politically all the time. They’ll ask a poll a certain way, and then they’ll project . . . tell what they think the poll is supposed to tell us. They will askew it, and completely distort it, instead of just telling us what is actually perceived, and telling us the truth about the questions asked and who was asked to.

We have this deception going on all the time, because of incorrect perception and incorrect communication of what is perceived. It creates a big problem for humanity.

Okay, any other comments or questions?

Adam: I was going to say was that when get into discussions or arguments with people, a lot of times we just want to be right, rather than be right. (slow laughter)

Curtis: Like Adam said, we have to let go of wanting to be right. You know, that’s another ‘let go’ thing. You know, I could be right, I could be wrong, but I can’t be attached to being right or wrong. And A Course in Miracles says, “would you rather be right or be happy?”

And sometimes if you’re in an argument . . .

JJ: Some people would rather be right than be happy.

Curtis: Yeah, “I’d rather be right and make you miserable.”

Adam: We have to acknowledge truth where it is, right? Instead of continually trying to push an agenda to be right.

Curtis: Yeah. I’m not attached to being right, to making myself right.

Adam: When someone makes good point, concede and move on.

Curtis: Right, let’s move on to having dinner or something more constructive, like a movie.

JJ: Okay. Yeah?

Shawn: It feels good to acknowledge truth, to state truth. It feels good to be truthful. I was in a couple of situations with police officers, and I didn’t notice at the time that they’re trained to just lie, lie, lie. It’s just what they do all day long. And so . . .

JJ: They’re trained to lie?

Shawn: They’re trained to lie. I mean they do it so well, they must be trained. Because they lied so much to me and I found out they lied to my wife, to try to get me to say something else.

JJ: If they are trying to convict you of a crime, that certainly could be true.

Shawn: They’re trying to get at the truth, and their way of getting at the truth is just to lie to you. Like, “well, you’re wife said this. Did that really happen?” “Well, I didn’t see that.” And so I told the truth. “I didn’t see that. I don’t know what you’re talking about.” They would tell me again. “Well that’s what she said. Are you sure you didn’t see that.” And I said, “I didn’t see that.”

Later, I found out my wife never said that.

JJ: Really?

Shawn: My wife had never said that to them. And in other situations as well, and they may or may not believe you. I think they believe you, but then they lie and say, you know, this that and the other to try to get to the truth. That’s just their way of doing it, I think.

JJ: Yeah, that’s sad when that happens, when they’re trying to convict people of something that they overstep their bounds there.

Okay. Anything else before we wrap it up? We’re going to have Joshua show us the movie Excalibur, and Tyler is going to set it up for us, hopefully.

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Key Three, Right Perception

2021 Gathering, Part Fifteen

JJ: Okay, we’ll go onto the next key. Just cover that quickly here. The next key is the Key of Correct Perception. Now the trouble with the world of perception is the esoteric teachings tell us this world is illusion. So what we perceive is also illusion.

But, on the other hand, perception shouldn’t be discounted for some people who say the world is illusion will discount perception. Perception should not be discounted because correct perception can lead us out of illusion. If we perceive incorrectly, then that takes us deeper into the illusion, and it makes it harder for us to see our way out. So, it’s important that we perceive correctly.

Now, one of the greatest things that teaches us how perception can be diminished and difficult to be accurate, is the game that I mention in my book called Chinese Checkers . . . I think it was called.

Adam: Whispers. Chinese Whispers.

JJ: Chinese Whispers. That’s what it was. Yeah. And I’ve played that before. You get about a dozen people in a circle, and you start with kind of a nonsensical statement, and it goes through the dozen people. We ought to do that here just to see how it works. I will whisper something in someone’s ear. Let’s start with Michael over here. I’ll whisper something in Michael’s ear. And Michael can whisper it to Susan. And we can go around and whisper it to everybody. And then the last person will tell us what he heard.

Now you can only whisper it once. If they can’t understand . . . if they don’t hear it correctly, you can’t say it over again. Okay. You’ve just got to take what you’ve heard and tell it to the next guy. Okay?

Joshua: You better be careful calling it Chinese Whispers these days. (laughter)

Various chatter going on among the group as JJ starts the communication and it continues through the group.

JR is the last person to receive the communication and vocalizes what he heard: “The girl ran over the green grass.”

JJ: Well, that was closer than normal. The original statement was “The cow jumped over the green grass.” (laughter)

More chatter among the group about how the communication was corrupted.

JJ: So anyway, usually it’s more garbled than that. Usually there’s nothing recognizable with the final statement.

Joshua: See, we have soul contact to a degree, JJ, so we’re not easily corruptible. (laughter)

JJ: That would explain it. Well generally there’s nothing recognizable. Usually, the final is really weird, for it just shows that when you perceive something and pass it along, and then the other person takes what you said, and he passes it along, it gets distorted.

Concerning the scriptures they say . . . the nearest we have to the original gospel concerning Jesus, is the twelfth copy. That’s what they’ve figured. Thinking about the twelfth copy you wonder how many changes have happened by scribes copying at twelve different times?

So what happens is the scribes copy it, and some scribes think, “well, you know this doesn’t sound right. Let me clarify this.” And so they’ll change the scripture to make it clarify, or maybe they will write a note into the scripture, above it, for clarification . . . and then the next guy that copies it, puts the note in there as if it is part of the actual scripture.

Like even the Lord’s prayer, they say that uh . . . “thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” What is the last one, “the kingdom and the glory” or something?

Michael: “For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever, Amen.”

JJ: Yes. The very last line, they say, was added later. That’s what the scholars say, and it wasn’t in the original. So, this correct perception is a really important thing for in our personal lives, we have to make sure that we perceive correctly.

Throw the idea of illusion out the window while you’re trying to perfect perception. A lot of teachers will say, “this road is illusion. That’s no way to perceive correctly.” But we can perceive correctly within in the reality we’re in.

One of the best examples of incorrect perception is the courtroom. You’ll have two witnesses that see the same auto accident, and they will give different accounts, especially the guy that caused the accident. Is he going to admit that he was guilty? Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, no, he’s going to maintain that he’s innocent. As a matter of fact, insurance companies tell you, not to admit you did anything wrong, no matter how wrong you think you were.

When things come to trial, you have two or three eye-witnesses, and they all give a little bit different account, but they all saw the same thing. The true reality is they didn’t see three different things. They have three different interpretations of what they saw, based on their feelings.

So it’s important when disciples perceive that they are honest about what they did perceive, because it comes down to personal honesty and integrity. If a person is honest and has high integrity, he will be willing to admit what he actually did perceive.

Now this goes even beyond this when we’re, say, studying or looking for the truth for we perceive on different levels. Normally, we think, well, we just see different things and we disagree about that, and we hear different things, and we disagree about that.

But we also understand different things through an inner perception. This inner perception is higher still. But how we understand things is based largely on where our consciousness is. Is our consciousness centered on the emotional level, or the mental level, or maybe even on the spiritual level.  

If it’s on the emotional level, then how you perceive things with your understanding will disagree with almost everybody because emotionally polarized people generally cannot agree with other emotional people, cannot agree with mental people, and cannot agree with spiritual people.

They’re pretty much in a world of their own, and if they do agree with another emotional person, it’s kind of like a stopped clock being right twice a day, so to speak. In other words, it’s just kind of a coincidence that they happen to agree. Or maybe they just have the same common enemies. Then on the mental level, people can perceive through understanding much more accurately, and on the spiritual level, they can become one. Becoming one on the spiritual level is what we are attempting to do with this group. With this group, we seek to understand each other, to perceive correctly, and to see through the eyes of the soul.

And only by seeing through the eyes of the soul can perception be accurate. Because people are not very honest with themselves – like I said, with a car accident for instance. If you’re the guy that caused the accident, ninety-nine times out of a hundred, you’re going to distort reality, distort perception to your advantage, and the person won’t be a hundred percent honest.

So it’s important with perception, that we are honest about what we perceive and what we remember we perceive. This is very difficult for people to do, but it will lead us from nonreality to reality if we are honest with ourselves. Let us say say you are in a relationship, and you have arguments at different times, and one of the things that you want to perceive is how the person is actually thinking.

How many times have you had an argument with somebody, and they said, “well you said this, and you meant this?” And you said, “no, that not what I meant, and I didn’t really say it that way.” Have you ever had that happen?

Asaph: Many times.

JJ: Mr. Bates there, what kind of a problem have you had with that?

Darren: Well, kind an issue with my wife. (chuckle) She will quote me on something I said, and I’ll say, “no, I didn’t say that,” because I know that’s not something I would say. And so I tell her that maybe I said something different, but she misinterpreted it, or didn’t hear it exactly the same way. Or maybe . . . sometimes it comes down to the meaning of words. We have a different definition of words. So I say something that means something to me and different to her.

JJ: Yeah, oftentimes what happens when you have a conversation with somebody is they will not perceive what you said correctly, they will perceive it the way that they feel that you’re saying it. So you’re having an argument with somebody, and they’ll say, “well, you said this.” And you think, “I didn’t say that. And I didn’t mean that.” When you try to correct them, and they will not accept the correction. Have you had that happen?

Darren: Well, doing that, then they say, “now you’re trying to change what you said, and now you’re lying to me because you’re trying to justify to me.”

JJ: Right, right. The emotional person will try to argue that way. Whereas, what they should do is say, “well, I thought you meant this, but I’m glad you clarified.” They should trust that you are honest, but they won’t. The emotional person wants to believe that you are being deceptive.

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Finding the Middle Way

2021 Gathering, Part Fourteen

Okay, any other questions on the Lost Key of the Buddha? True judgment is in the middle somewhere, and I think that goes way up the scale. Maybe even some of the Higher Lives, maybe even amongst the Masters and the Gods. Afterall, we have the story about the fall of Lucifer , he was very high up there and he disagreed.

And so I think we have a lot of revelations out there that are not in harmony with each other. But soul is in harmony with soul. You have a contact with God Himself through your own soul, and that’s the most reliable thing. Rely on what you get and what reverberates within.

And even if one of the ones that you’re contacting . . . if the highest you can contact is your higher emotions, then maybe they’re mostly wrong. Still, if you follow the highest you know, eventually higher will come. So just keep following the highest that you can receive and sooner or later, you will be on the path of truth, and you will be able to recognize the Middle Way that is between the two extremes.

Susan: So my question is, the key word is judgment, but what is the key?

JJ: The key is how to make the judgment. The key is understanding where the true judgment is. The true judgment is not exactly on the far right, on the far left, or the exact middle. But it is somewhere between the far left and the far right. And this has to be found by using the power of your own judgment in connection with your soul.

Your soul will guide you where that judgment is. And that’s the key. The key is to use your soul, examine everything on the right, on the left, and look in the middle, and find that place in between the two extremes that vibrates with your soul. And that’s the key to judgment.

Curtis: So the key is to trust your intuition.

JJ: Yes, that’s large part of it. Intuition comes from the soul.

Tyler: You were saying how, the judgment goes up a lot higher than we think, than we recognize. So in Book II, as I was reviewing it, there’s a portion where you’re in Shamballa or the New Jerusalem, and you were talking about the instance of the death penalty and how when you’re in that place [Shamballa], there really is no disagreement, because they see things differently. They see things differently than we do. They see everything in the right way because they’re able to see all of the consequences of anything that will come because of the things that will come because of any particular decision. 

How is that different? You’re saying that there’s a difference in the worlds up above. But in the Book, you talk that there is agreement there.

JJ: Okay, the higher up you get, the more vision you have. Even though you have more vision, you’re still limited. Even Sanat Kumara, the Lord of the World, is limited in his vision. Even Christ is limited in his vision. All of us in the Universe, who are participating with any connection to this physical Universe, have limitations.

But we have certain things that we agree on for instance. Almost all humanity now agrees that slavery is not a good thing. We shouldn’t enslave one race over another. So, we see that within our vision, and we didn’t see that earlier. But we now see it because we have evolved as a human species. We can see what is true better than we did a thousand years ago.

And same goes for the Masters. They see what is true better than we can see what is true. But they still have their limitations in time and space, and when those limitations are reached, then they will have their own disagreements. When you reach that point of limitation, then judgment comes in again. They have to look at everything and make judgments as to where the point of truth is.

And when they look higher, than their own consciousness can take them, then they have to make judgments and different entities will make different judgments of what is beyond their consciousness.

Okay. Anything else?    

Phillip: I had a thought just thinking this through. If we make the assumption that both extremes are incorrect for some reason, and then we look at the extreme and can understand the principle by which it is incorrect, and then look at the other extreme and figure out the principle by which it’s incorrect, and then follow and say between these two points the truth is in there. I want to find the point where that principle of non-truth is negated and move this way until the principle is resolved. And then I’m going to move this way until this principle has been resolved. And I’m going to come out somewhere in the middle where both extremes have been resolved, where the problem is no longer valid that made those two extremes.

JJ: Let’s talk about how both Republicans and Democrats disagree about how much money to borrow. Democrats want to borrow trillions and trillions of dollars. And Republicans only want to borrow a couple of trillion dollars. (laughter)

In this case, the Middle Way is no place here. (laughter) In other words, we shouldn’t be borrowing trillions of dollars of our grandkids’ money for anything. So, we’re in an interesting situation where both sides are on the extreme wrong side. There are just a handful of people that think maybe shouldn’t take out a credit card and live on it. Maybe that’s not a good idea.

Both Republicans and the Democrats agree that living on  borrowed money is a good idea. We need to live on this credit card and borrow money that only our grandkids can pay off. Boy, that’s a great idea, isn’t it?

This is kind of an oddball time we’re living in when both extremes move away from the Middle Way in the same direction. The Middle Way is way beyond either extreme right now as far as spending goes. Other things like how to treat gays and minorities, there’s correct ways in between two extremes. A lot of things are in between two extremes. But like I said, we are in a real oddball situation where both sides want to spend a credit card, want us to live on borrowed money.

How much sense does it make for the average family to say we’ve got this big credit card, let’s live on it for a couple years and just see what happens? This is going to be great. The liberal says let’s spend the credit card really fast and the conservative says let’s spend it a little bit slower. Neither side represents the Middle Way in this scenario. We should be living on the money we actually have. So we live in really strange times.

But normally, there should be an extreme on the right, an extreme on the left, and the Middle Way will be somewhere in between those two extremes.

The person with soul contact will feel that vibration. They just know it’s right. This point of truth. This is right. I can just sense it’s correct.

The person who is getting the wrong answer, that is tuning into his emotional body . . . the answer he will get will be the answer that he wants to get. Every time it will be the answer that he wants.

It’s funny, when I was on my mission, quite a number of Elders fell in love with English gals. And when they prayed about it, they always got an answer that they were supposed to marry these ladies. I got a bang out of our mission president. He got up and addressed all of the Elders one time. And he said, “I don’t give a damn about your answer.” (laughter) He said, “It is not right. If you get an answer to marry some English gal, it’s not the true answer.”

Curtis: Then you ended up marrying an English gal.

JJ: Yeah, then I married an English gal, and I had a big problem. (laughter) It was sometime after my mission that I went back there and saw her.

Michael: Some of you are familiar with the term “harmony through conflict.” The thyroid and the parathyroid gland have different functions. And in some ways, it appears they’re working against each other. So there is this energy that is going in two directions, but what it does is it achieves a point of balance. And so maybe we all have a different individual dharma. This is my mission. This is what I came to do. And so my job is to do that to the best of my ability.

And there might be times when there is some conflict, that might push up against you. But I think if we’re aspiring to follow that path . . . again soul contact. It’s not about me. We’re trying to live to the highest. And we’re following that first commandment of bringing as much love as we can into everything we do, even when there’s apparent conflict, the idea is these two opposing forces jump to a higher level and they resolve it here.

So it’s not finding the middle ground here. It’s jumping to a higher level and evolving everything upward.

JJ: Okay. That can sometimes happen that we argue on a very material level and then the spirit comes in and we see from a higher level. And when we see from the higher level, then we will wind up making great judgments.

I told you the story about when Artie and I sometimes had arguments in the past. If the argument got heated   we had a deal to always say, “I love you,” three times to each other. And by the third time that we say, “I love you,” we almost forgot what we were arguing about. We couldn’t even remember what we were disagreeing about. It’s kind of funny how that works.

Love is definitely a key factor in turning conflict into harmony and in reaching correct judgments.

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Preparing for the Worst

2021 Gathering, Part Thirteen

One of the things that I’ve noticed is the difference between somebody that’s out for their own good, versus somebody who’s truly trying to help, is that somebody who’s out for their own good will attempt to make you dependent on them.

JJ: That’s a good point.

Phillip: They will help you get so far, but they will never make you independent. Whereas somebody who is truly out to serve you, will give you all the keys that you need and cut the strings and give you the independence to move forward without them. So that they’re no longer needed.

JJ: Yeah. That’s a really great point, Phil. The true servants of humanity will try to duplicate themselves, anything, any ability they have . . . like Jesus said to his disciples, “greater things than I have done, shall you do.”

Now, what kind of person says that? We don’t hear that from our leaders, “yeah, you’re going to be greater than me.” (laughter) You don’t hear that anywhere. But Jesus said it. And it turned out that the disciples did some pretty amazing things. They raised the dead. Phillip, of that ancient time, apparently teleported himself. And they did some pretty amazing things that even Jesus didn’t do, that we know about.

Susan: There’s an interesting phenomenon going on in the LDS Church right now. It used to be that you would always hear, “follow the prophet, follow the prophet.” President Nelson is teaching the people right now to get their own revelation.

JJ: Really?

Susan: And he’s teaching them that if you don’t get your own revelation, you will not make it through the next few years. You must have your own revelation. And that is not something that has been taught in eons in the LDS faith. It’s a huge thing.

Various people commenting.

JJ: Now my brother-in-law tells me the LDS are also preparing places in camps if there’s an emergency, that people can escape to?

Susan: They’ve tripled a lot of the girls’ camps and boys’ camps, and their drilling wells, and they’ve put white tents, huge white tents all over the United States.

JJ: To prepare?

Susan: To prepare.

JJ: Well maybe if they listened to Curtis and me when we went there and visited with McConkie and Petersen. They said, “We understand you got some kind of message. What’s your message?” And we told them, “You’re completely unprepared if the economy falls apart”

They read my treatise, or my novelette about “The Journey’s End.” It begins with the excommunication of Curtis, which was true. And then it goes into fiction, where the LDS people are hunted down because they have a year’s supply, and when the economy collapsed. The LDS turned out to be the ones that are hunted down by mobs. They had no place to go. And Petersen looked at that and he said, “This is written by the devil himself.”

Curtis: “This is hell spawned,” he said.

JJ:  “Hell spawned.” He said, “this is worse than Playboy!” (laughter) Playboy was the worst thing he could think of. To compare it to.

Susan: But it’s different now. That’s what I’m telling you.

JJ: Maybe they listened to Curtis and me.

Susan: Maybe they did.

JJ: Maybe somebody thought, “well, maybe they have a point. We need to prepare. We’re not prepared.”

Curtis: Can they get their own revelation then on the vaccination?

Susan: What President Nelson said two months ago was to counsel with your medical people and get the guidance of the holy ghost. So he definitely told people.

JJ: But they pretty much gave a command to get the vaccination.

Susan: Well, isn’t there always a paradox given, just like in the Garden of Eden? You’re told to do one thing, then you’re told to do another thing. And there’s a complete paradox. And the Church is being rent in two because of it.

JJ: I know I read that a lot of Mormons aren’t going along with the vaccination thing.

Phillip: If you look at the history of Nelson . . . Nelson had a pretty intense revelation as a doctor. He learned a new technique while he was on the operating table working on a guy. It was entirely the guy’s faith that pushed Nelson into it . . . if you hear the story. The guy said, “you need to do an operation.” Nelson said, “I don’t know what to do. There’s no solution for this.” And the guy said, “I have faith, I know the Lord will tell you. Just move forward.”

So Nelson opens him up. He’s doing open heart surgery. And as Nelson is doing the operation, he had a revelation of how to fix this guy’s heart using special stitches. And so he could see how it was going to work. He performed it. He tested it. Everything worked out great. He closed the guy up. And he had this amazing experience powered by this guy’s faith, but also his faith because he actually did the work.

But having that experience really impacted his life. One of his major revelations that he refers to. And so he knows that revelation is real and he’s encouraging other people to have similar type experiences. So it was majorly impacting on his life.

Now right on his heels is Oaks. Oaks is next in line to be the prophet and he’s very much, “follow the leaders. If your revelation contradicts, you’re wrong, the leaders are right.” And so, there’s kind of two thought forms that are being pushed at the same time.

JJ: Yeah, interesting.

Phillip: It is interesting, and I hope Nelson outlasts Oaks. (laughter)

JJ: It’s kind of funny with Curtis and me. We went to the Church headquarters, warned them that they were ill-prepared, and they needed to do something to prepare for an economic collapse.

But what would be frustrating to Curtis and me, is if there was a collapse and all the sudden the Church followed our advice and they’re prepared, and we aren’t, and they wouldn’t let us survive. (laughter) They won’t let us participate because we’re excommunicated. (laughter) That would be kind of ironic.

Curtis: We know where their food is stored. (laughter)

JJ: I was hoping by this time, from when I first started teaching The Gathering, we would have a whole city built and we would be completely self-sustaining. But that did not happen.

Asaph: Yet.

JJ: Not yet. So hopefully it will happen in time when it is needed.

Okay, any other comments or questions on the Middle Way?

Curtis: I was going to say on the Middle Way, it wasn’t that Joe and I wanted to be excommunicated. We wanted to appeal our excommunication. So we went see Bruce R. McConkie and Mark E. Petersen because we wanted to get back into the Church, because we felt like we could do more good in the Church than out of the Church. Plus we didn’t feel like we had done anything to merit excommunication.

So we went to find out if we could have a retrial. And they said, “we don’t do retrials anymore.” We don’t have that quorum of twelve. See in the Doctrine and Covenants there are two groups of twelve. A traveling high council and standing high council. The standing high council stood to judge difficult cases. And we presented a difficult case.

And so they said, “we’re not doing that anymore.” And we took the scriptures and we said, “well, it says right here if you don’t follow the scriptures, the way they’re written, you will be damned.” It says that in Section 29. And it says in Section 132 that we had the right to a retrial “as though no such decision had been made.”

So we said, “we have a right to a retrial and you’re denying us that privilege. And if you don’t give us a retrial, and you’re not you’re not following the scriptures, then you will be damned if you so continue.”

Well that really upset them. We said that and because we said that the interview pretty much ended. But we weren’t anti-Mormon or anything. We were pro truth. And what we wanted was to be heard and have a retrial “as though no such decision had been made.”

JJ: Yeah, actually I didn’t want back in it myself. I just wanted the Church to face the reality of what they were trying to do to us. We wanted them to defend the fact that they were trying to excommunicate us unjustly. And so we did our best to make that happen.

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