Category: 2015

Living Masters

Jim:

If you know more then all Living Masters, then you must be one?

JJ

You need to argue with what I say, not with what I do not say. I did not say that I know more than all living masters. I said I know more than the self proclaimed living Eck master. That doesn’t mean that I am a master but it would indicate that he is not one.

All real living masters know lots of things I do not. Among them are DK, KH, Jesus, Rakoczi and Morya.

Who is the living master you recommend?

Jim:

I have never bowed down to any one. But I have my Eyes Wide Open to receive all Spiritual Teachings I can use to assist me to advance closer towards the Spirit Who liberates souls from further Reincarnations.

No one I know “bows down” to Living Masters of the time. You must keep in mind that many of the Quotes come from what Teachers hundreds of years ago taught illiterate seekers.

JJ

From the book you suggested it sounds like you are supposed to bow down or completely submit without question. If this isn’t true why recommend the book? Tell me if these quotes represent your thinking.

The seekers who submit themselves to the Guru and associate with him, are initiated into the Sound by the Guru, and He also directs inwardly their meditation and other spiritual practices. He who follows the Guru’s directions and succeeds in his inner discipline, is released from the cycle of birth and rebirth.

Let it be known to all, ascetics, holy men and others, and let it be proclaimed by drum-beat, that Bliss can be achieved only by the grace of a Perfect Master, for it is He who helps you to rend the veil so that you hear the Sound. A single word from the Master, held firmly in the heart, suffices.

And hold thou just to Guru’s Nam, This wealth alone shalt thou retain. … Steadfast in surrender to Satguru (the guru) be, Tirelessly in this task engage.

Developing love for the Master and listening to His discourses constitutes your own work. As you rise above worldly temptations and lie in complete surrender at His feet, you become free from all sins and weaknesses that impair. Spiritual wealth may be accumulated in two ways. First: by toiling hard at meditation; second: by a complete and unconditional surrender to the Master.

Jim:

Why do you see any Teacher out side of Alice Bailey and D.K. teachings as spiritual competitors, JJ?

JJ

That does not represent my thinking at all. Where do you get such an idea? You recommended a 1000 page book by John Davidson and I read the whole thing and found some good things in it. How much of the Bailey Material have you read?

Jim:

All Spiritual Teachers have both good and bad points in their Teachings. If a seeker is certain that his/her own Inner Master is connected to his Consciousness, then they don’t need any Masters, living or dead.

If any Teaching does not get a hook in you, then, by all means, reject it. That’s what I do.

JJ

We agree on these points. Despite some disagreements I respect your thinking and enjoy most of your posts. I’m sure you know many things I do not, but as far as what is needed for my spiritual progression and the work I need to do, I am the world’s greatest expert.

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Jim:

How do you really KNOW you know more then Harold Klemp, the Eck Master?

JJ

As far as useful spiritual information goes I haven’t seen anything useful come from the various living Eck Masters. Paul Twitchell, who started the movement, was the smartest of the bunch, probably had some spiritual experiences when he was younger but seemed to be overcome with glamour as he moved ahead to form a movement.

JJ:

All real living masters know lots of things I do not. Among them are DK, KH, Jesus, Rakoczi and Morya.

Jim:

Aren’t those Masters all dead, or not present in physical bodies?

JJ

You say you own all the Alice A. Bailey books, but must have never been a student or you would know that most the Masters of Wisdom live in current physical bodies. DK is about 300 years old and he is one of the younger masters. Both HPB and Alice A. Bailey tell of experiences where they met the Masters in the flesh.

Jim:

I have already said who initiated me and who accepted me as their Disciple. But they both have passed on. So, as far as I know, I might as well recommend you ask Allan Chronshaw to be your living Master…

JJ

It sounds like you have nothing for us since your living master is dead. Since you believe we need a living one and have none to recommend I guess we are out of luck, from your vantage point.

Jim:

…With stipulations that the unconditional surrender is to the Master within, at least, is what my Master, Charan Singh implied. Since the Inner Master leads, then we are always below Him, or at his feet, not above him, at his head. Its just a word play, JJ. Some type of words must be used to try and describe the technique. Plus, the words have to be in an understandable language to the Disciple.

JJ

From what I read it sounds like you are just supposed to mindlessly trust the master without and then you will be lead to bliss and become free from the wheel of rebirth and led to the kingdom within. The opposite is true. You must verify from within first and if what is without agrees with the spirit within then you can trust. If you just trust a proclaimed master without just because he claims to be a master you are likely to wind up seeking the mother ship for a ride on the Hale Bopp comet.

Jim:

But, the Sant Mat Eastern Teachings hooked me as soon as I read my first Sant Most Book, “the Path if The Masters” by Dr. Julian Johnson. That Book has been mentioned here a few times, and has been read by a few other Keysters, I believe? Why don’t you invite those who have read that Book to offer their critique of it, and if it had ant effect on their consciousness after they read it?

JJ

Fine with me. I’m always open to new teachings and additional light. I just downloaded a copy and will take a look.

Most of the group are happy to examine any new teachings or ideas. Some have come here and tried to force feed us the same thing over and over and that generates complaints.

What I see lacking so far in the teachings you recommend is the seeking of confirmation within of what is taught by a teacher without. If that which is without is trusted first, before inner confirmation is received the student will be subject to illusion through the allure of the many false teachers and masters that are out there seeking recognition.

Teachers, living or dead can be useful, but the weight of responsibility of moving ahead is upon us who are in physical incarnation. Escaping the wheel of rebirth is meaningless if one has not mastered what is here for us. We never escape rebirth completely as we move onward to eternal lives on eternal worlds, worlds and universes without end.

There is a linkage which I call the Molecular Order, to which all true Masters and Higher Lives are associated, through which the spiritual life of God in the universe flows, but the inner voice leads to finding it,

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Allan:

You are encouraging the members of your forum to come to the Nazirene Disciple forums to argue with us. There is no point in this, because we have absolutely nothing in common.

JJ

You take things too literally. I was just talking with allegorical humor. Look for the allegory in things and lighten up. I doubt if anyone here wants to challenge your group.

Allan:

To the people who frequent your forum, I am an idiot.

JJ

I do not think that anyone here thinks you are an idiot. I think that most of us see you as a fairly brainsmart guy who has taken a wrong turn, kind of like the Brown Brothers.

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Question from Reader

Masturbation is not the big sin that the Mormon church makes it out to

1. Unfortunately,it is used as a source of guilt and control which

is much worse than masturbation itself.

Sexual sharing in a loving relationship blends energies and is very

spiritual, but done alone there is a vacancy of that complimenting

energy and that produces that feeling that something is missing or

wrong. If you want to focus on the spiritual then it is best to keep

masturbation to a minimum, but if the need drives one to distraction

then doing it in moderation would not be a problem if one does not

feel guilt.

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Jim:

Allan stated you were among those Founders of America who helped form our Government. Is he correct, and if so, how does he know? Were you and he there working together then, as you work together now?

JJ

It was revealed to me that I was there and I would guess that Allan was there also. I couldn’t vouch for him being Thomas Paine though as there is no evidence of Paine receiving his idea of soul birth as he ate meat and drank wine. His wife Flo says she was there with him as a witness to his accomplishments, but his first wife, Mary Lambert, who died after two years of marriage in 1761, was said to have been the love of his life. If this was Flo then she couldn’t have been a living witness his writing of the Declaration of Independence as Allan claims was written by himself as Paine.

Now his second wife was Elizabeth, but he separated from her in June of 1774 so she obviously wasn’t a witness to Paine writing the 1776 Declaration and besides he and Flo are supposed to be soul-birthed soul mates not subject to divorce in recent lifetimes.

When Flo said she was there as a witness to Paine writing the Declaration of Independence I asked her who she was and she did not answer.

Now Jefferson took credit and was given credit for writing the Declaration. He was so sure he wrote it he requested this to be written on his tombstone:

HERE WAS BURIED

THOMAS JEFFERSON

AUTHOR OF THE

DECLARATION

OF

AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE

Sounds to me that Jefferson thought he penned the great document.

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Allan:

Nowhere is there any claim that Thomas Paine achieved soul-birth. Neither was Mary Lambert the last woman in Paine’s life. When the British was hunting him down, do you think his associations were made public so they could get at him through these associations?

JJ

This is the first time I’ve heard you say that you have had lives since James that didn’t achieve soul birth. So that means that Thomas Paine was a failed soul image. Poor guy.

Historians say that Elizabeth Olive (his second wife), who he parted company with in 1774, was his last known romantic relationship. If he had another who witnessed him write the Declaration of Independence then he completely ignored her and sent what little extra funds he had to Elizabeth and not to her. After the Declaration was proclaimed he traveled and lived in England and France for about 20 years with no female at his side. Since there is no historical evidence that Paine had a soulmate like Flo then it would be interesting to hear past life recollections from either you or her about who this mysterious female is.

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Jim:

Interesting, JJ! When you were revealed that you were there, was it as an Observer, or did you recognize specifically who you were at that time?

JJ

I was shown who I was but I make it a policy that I do not talk about my past lives. First, I could be one of the many who give out incorrect past lives and second it opens a door that can lead to glamour and illusion.

Jim:

And why do you accept Allan was there, if he was not Thomas Paine? If not Paine, who? (if he was there at all, which I doubt. Unless you have a specific verification? )

JJ

I do not have an undeniable revelation on this but do have several impressions – which I usually find to be reliable.

I think that Allan’s attention focused on Thomas Paine after he read some theory that he wrote the Declaration of Independence. Those were such powerful and praiseworthy words that Jefferson wanted credit for writing them on his tombstone. If Allan as the brother of Jesus wrote the original Jesus story, the most powerful writing of all time then why not take credit for the second most powerful – the Declaration?

Here is what does not compute. If he wrote the two greatest documents of all time in two separate lifetimes then why has he written nothing that is widely quoted today? Even his own inner circle of readers do not quote him that much.

He would be more believable if he just said he was the brother of Jesus and wrote the book of James. He is intelligent enough to have written that. I’m not saying he did write it but he is capable of writing of that quality.

Allan is big on personal freedom, one of the few things we do agree on, and he feels he was there and respects the Founding Fathers. I sense he did live in that era. The information we do know for sure does not verify that he was Thomas Paine.

Jim

Does your years and age match up, JJ, from deaths to births to present that would verify you could have been there with Allan?

JJ

If I understand you correctly the answer would be yes.

Jim

Also, you mentioned wanting to compare Graphology from Allan and Payne’s Hand Writing. Where you ever able to get samples and do so? This is interesting, important stuff! If You have NOT done it yet, than hopefully, Allan will voluntarily submit a current sample of his hand writing, and we then could search for a sample of Thomas Payne’s hand writing., if it matches, then Flo would be the Loose Cannon false witness.

JJ

I believe that I did volunteer to analyze his handwriting but did not get a reply or sample. It would be interesting to compare the two for I do have samples of Paine’s handwriting. Handwriting often changes with character from life to life and within a single life, but some things remain the same. The key ingredient is intelligence, for it rarely diminishes from life to life unless there is some brain damage. By comparing samples of handwriting I can often rule out the possibility that the two are not the same person. If they are close I can give probabilities that they are the same.

Sometimes I find correspondences that give significant proof. Here is an interesting one I found between HPB and JFK. I’d give it around an 85% probability that JFK was a reincarnation of HPB.

LINK

 

 

June 7, 2015

Tough Love

You will now serve for the sake of selfless love alone because the need is out there and you sense the need.” JJ

Question:

If one’s family or siblings just take advantage of you, and use you for your money and expect you to do everything for them, is this still selfless love and service to be treated as a Bank and a Slave?

JJ

First of all it was great to see Jim give you heartfelt advice. I thought his words were well worth considering.

There are two types of service as well as two types of love. I have written quite a bit about spiritual love from the heart and the lower aspect from the solar plexus. The lower energy seeks to attach because the other fulfills desire or need. The question is not what you can do for them, but what they can do for you.

The higher aspect, or spiritual love, asks the question, “What can I do for others that will generate higher quality of life?” True unselfish service is involved in spiritual love.

There are also two aspects of service. The lower form serves because the entity feels forced to serve or perform because of force or circumstances. The service may not even be bringing about a good end, but the person feels impelled to work tirelessly in a lone and dreary world with few if any rewards.

This service often does more harm than good and enables the one served to continue on in his flawed environment without progressing or moving onward. Both the servant and the one served are slaves.

The word “service” in the quote you mention refers to the higher aspect. This higher form of service fulfills true and real need and helps the other person move forward in his progression and happiness. The true servant sees a real need and then seeks to fill it.

Ruth

Eg. I have done everything for my kids, given them everything, they take and take and treat me like crap.

So am I being loving and selfless in service by letting them treat me like this for so long, with no respect and no thanks etc,? I find it hard to distinguish between Love and selfless service, and just being used up as a Mum.

JJ

Overall, parents generally wind up doing much more for the kids than the kids do for the parents. That is the contract we take on as parents when we take the responsibility of bringing them into this world. It is an act of true service to nurture a child and provide the necessities into adulthood and self reliance.

On the other hand, if you do too much of what they can do for themselves you may be performing an act of disservice. Remember the story of the guy who assisted the butterfly in escaping from the cocoon and wound up killing it because it needed the strength of the struggle to obtain the means to survive.

Children are not the only ones who may demand service that is enabling but friends and associates can also and these must sometimes be treated like children.

I do not know all your circumstances and have not sat down and heard both sides of your problems so I’ll just give several circumstances and tell you how I would deal with them.

Your 21 year old daughter separates from her husband and wants to crash with you a while till she figures out what to do. She has no job.

Now almost all parents would let their kid stay for them for a period of time with no demands made. Maybe after a couple weeks she’ll either get a job or go back to her husband. Let us call this period of settling the “grace period.”

Then after the grace period is over problems often occur. After a while the kid settles in as if that is her new home and she is the boss of it. She starts complaining about the quality of food, toilet paper, cable, and specifics that should meet her needs.

Now what do you do? You love her and don’t want to throw her out on the streets.

When it dawns on you that this is just not a short term crash situation, action needs to be taken. You sit her down for a serious talk that should go something like this.

“Look, you know I love you and want what is best for you, but you are a grown woman now and if you are going to stay here you are going to be treated like an adult.

First, this is my house and I make the rules. You can make suggestions but I am the decision maker here and if you are going to stay here you will need to abide by the rules I make. Is that clear?

Secondly, since you do not have a job and cannot pay rent then you have to work off your share of the rent. Here is a list of what I expect to be done on a regular basis. Does this sound fair to you?

Thirdly she must look for a job.

So, what if she does not agree?

Then tough love is required. You must respond with something like this.

“I’m willing to help you out in the time of need, but you must return that help. If not then I must ask you to leave. So, you have a decision to make. Stay here with a roof over your head and do a few chores or go live in a homeless center. Which will it be?

Normally, she will agree to do the chores.

On top of this there are numerous impositions caused by friends or family staying with you “for a few days.”

(1) They may get into your stash of adult beverages without permission.

(2) They may eat more than their share of food.

(3) They may bring a lover to stay a while.

(4) They may run up your utility bills.

(5) They may expect you to take them out to dinner and pay.

(6) They may not only not help you but create messes which demand more work on your part.

The prime solution for all these is to be extremely careful as to who you allow to say with you to begin with. A few hurt feelings in the beginning is a lot better than seething resentment later on.

But if problems persist you must put your foot down and demand they abide by your rules and if they do not then they cannot stay. Mean what you say and be prepared to kick them out if necessary. When they know you are serious they will generally improve their behavior.

Ruth:

I know that your wife turned your kids against you in the past, therefore did you try to be loving and selfless towards them for the rest of your life?

JJ

The main thing with relationships is to harbor no grievance and I do harbor none toward my ex wife or my kids. I love all my kids and will always do what I can to help them on their path, but if they were to make unreasonable demands or impositions I would do my best to not be an enabler.

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Ruth:

Although the Great Renunciation is probably a lot more than just being attached to people and things etc.?

If you were going through the fourth initiation, would you have to give up the molecule and your teachings?

JJ

When it is accomplished the sacrifice will be seen as one that makes sense although it may not at the time. When the sacrifice comes you will be given instructions by a Higher Life and there will be no doubt as to what you need to do or what you are going through. This is not a part of the dark night as the disciple clearly sees what has to be done. The loneliness factor has already been surmounted as well as illusion, glamour and wrong emotional reaction.

 

June 8, 2015

The Handwriting Factor

Jim:

Why don’t you (Allan) privately email JJ a sample of your hand writing, so he can do the Graphology Analysis of you and Payne’s hand writing?

JJ

Allan says he doesn’t think this is a valid way to check past lives, but it can give some strong circumstantial evidence. You can’t prove a past life with absolute certainty by comparing the writing from the two lives, but in many cases one can rule out that they are the same person.

Unless an entity is suffering some brain damage his intelligence will generally advance forward from one life to another so the intelligence factor is the first thing I look at. If there is a wide gap in intelligence and thinking process then that pretty much rules out the two are the same entity.

It is tricky to try and prove two are the same because character and handwriting not only changes from life to life, but within a life. My handwriting has made significant changes from my younger years for example.

Yet if one were to find two handwritings that are the same it would be evidence like finding two fingerprints that are the same. Because people change from life to life we cannot expect an exact match, even if the two are from the same soul, but if we find significant similarities then this can provide strong evidence.

It takes a trained eye to spot all the evidence in two samples as many who are not familiar with handwriting analysis will say something like, “You can’t analyze me because my handwriting changes from time to time.”

I may then ask then for samples that illustrate this change. After looking at it I will usually respond that only about 1% of the handwriting has changed and that is generally elements of the slant. Other times it is the speed or the size of the overall letters.

If your mood changes your hand writing will reflect that mood, but even with a changed mood you are still you and there is very little overall change in the handwriting.

In college one time I received a card with a nice note and it was signed, “by a secret admirer.” The writer did everything possible to disguise her handwriting. She wrote very slowly and above a ruler and then filled in he lower zone. This gave the handwriting the effect of being precisionly straight from left to right. I didn’t have a clue as to who it was as I didn’t know any of the coeds admired me at the time. Furthermore, The University of Idaho in the Sixties had about 3-4 guys to one female so males generally had to get in line to ask any female out on a date.

Anyway I was extremely curious as to who this was. I guessed there was a good chance she was LDS since I was a member at that time. A friend of mine was in charge of the records of the college kids and had signatures of just about all the college members, which were several hundred. I asked him if I could take a look at them and he agreed.

Now a signature isn’t a lot to go on because it is often quite different from the rest of the writing. Fortunately, it was enough. I found enough elements that corresponded to the note that made me 99% sure that I had found a match.

Now what is interesting is that I had never dated this girl or had any significant interaction with her so she wasn’t someone I would have suspected if I didn’t have the handwriting match.

Anyway, a couple days later I met her at a church dance and asked to dance. There were slow dances in those days where you could talk and I looked at her and said, “By the way, thanks for he nice note you sent.”

She turned white and just about passed out. She was a cute blond girl and I do not recall why I did not follow up on that enticing beginning.

Anyway, back to Allan. Even if he doesn’t want his writing to be compared to Thomas Paine I have to give him credit for being an interesting character and it would be fun to see what makes him tick. If he is willing to send me a sample of his writing I would certainly make some comments – and I would go by the handwriting analysis, not my bias. I always try and emphasize the good and go easy on the negative.

Again, here is the link to my analysis linking HPB to JFK.

If you haven’t looked it over yet be sure and click on the link below..

LINK

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Past Lives and History

I can tell that it is fun sport for you to throw some unwanted light and questions on Allan’s proclamations. I think you must be an agent of karma for him. I have to admit the interplay is amusing to watch.

As far as Thomas Paine goes, unlike James the Brother of Jesus, we have a lot of detailed history, actual handwriting, many known historical writings and know what he looked like.

Since Allan claims to remember past lives in detail this would be his chance to offer the world real proof of reincarnation.

The trouble is that the few supposedly historical events he has offered about Paine does not square with the actual history.

He maintains that he as Paine wrote the Declaration of Independence.

The problem with the Declaration is this. The wording is so eloquent and profound that numerous skeptics in history have sought to take Jefferson down a notch by either claiming he did not write it or plagiarized it. As they have analyzed it line by line, surprise, they have found that all of the lines in it have been stated before by someone somewhere, just worded differently. Not only has Paine been portrayed as the real author, but others have also.

George Mason’s draft of the Virginia Declaration of Rights is one source cited which reads:

That all men are born equally free and independant, and have certain inherent natural rights, of which they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity, among which are the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

Yes, this is a similar thought to the beginning of the Declaration, but far less eloquent than Jefferson. Few writings in history present entirely new ideas. Originality of ideas is not what makes the Declaration so unique. What makes it special is how Jefferson took the thinking of the gathered enlightened souls and put the words together in such an inspiring manner.

Jefferson said this:

Neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, and to give to that expression the proper tone and spirit called for by the occasion. All its authority rests then on the harmonizing sentiments of the day, whether expressed in conversation, letters, printed essays, or in the elementary books of public right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, etc.

Letter to Henry Lee, May 8, 1825

So it is indeed provable that Jefferson had many of the words of Paine, Mason, Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney and others in his memory banks. Nothing unexpected here and this does not take away from the credit that is due him. Any one of the Founders could have written something that would have presented the basic ideas of the group. That wasn’t what was needed. What was needed was a document with the words put together in such a way as to rouse the spirit of man to greater heights. This was why Jefferson was selected for the task, and he indeed performed up to expectations.

Now if Allan thinks that he, as Paine, really wrote the document, he should give us details as to how Jefferson got his hands on this secret writing and took credit for it. And if Jefferson did steal the document from Paine then why did Paine never complain? Why did he not want credit for the writing on his deathbed?

You would think that as a noble soul, such as Jefferson, was nearing death and preparing to meet his Maker that he would shun taking credit for a plagiarized document. The fact that he wanted to take credit for it on his tombstone adds great credibility that he was telling the truth about writing it.

The second problem with what Allan and Flo have stated about Paine was that they were together in that life and Flo was a witness at that time to Paine writing the Declaration.

This problem with this, as I have stated, is his first wife, Mary Lambert, died after after two years of marriage in 1761, was said to have been the love of his life. If this was Flo then she couldn’t have been a living witness his writing of the Declaration of Independence 15 years later as Allan claims was written by himself as Paine.

Now his second wife was Elizabeth, but he separated from her in June of 1774 so she obviously wasn’t a witness to Paine writing the 1776 Declaration. There is no historical evidence of any close romantic relationship had by Pain from 1774 to his death.

If Allan really was Paine then you would think he would gladly tell us who Flo was in that life and supply us with some details that do not run contrary to verified history.

The third problem with Allan’s claims is that he puts himself forth as not only the writer of the Declaration and Paine’s writings, but the original Gospel which is a piece if allegorical fiction written with such greatness that it has fooled the world for thousands of years.

Where is the evidence that he has the talent to write such timeless and profound documents in his current life?

If one is going to proclaim himself as living great past lives it is much safer to claim to be someone whose verified record has been lost to history, such as Enoch, Hercules or Moses.

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Allan:

Because both JJ and his lawyer Clay claim that there is nothing new and unique in my writings, and that I merely copy and plagiarize other authors and put my name on their thinking.

JJ

If you represent your soul with the same accuracy as the rest of us then that alone would indicate a lot of error in your teachings.

I never said there was nothing new in your teachings. I have said that your view on reincarnation where some do and some don’t is fairly unique.

I never said you copy and plagiarize. I think just about everything you write represents your own thoughts and wording. Most of it has been said before in different wording but that does not mean you have plagiarized. It is hard to find any teaching out there that is totally new. When the seeker finds some new things he should pay attention and seek to verify them through his soul, just as he should with the old ones.

 

June 9, 2015

Where is the Depth?

I have been hesitant to respond to Allan’s repetitive posts because if I write one line he sends back five pages, not of new material, but recycled old stuff we have read many times.

Now in these last several posts he again recycles a thought that he has tried to force upon us many times. This time I thought I would comment in the hope that he will either present something new or move on to something that would be of interest to the group (dream on JJ).

Here is his thinking that he has tried to force feed us, as well as insult us with, dozens of times. Rather than quote thousands of his confusing words let me summarize his attack on us. It goes something like this:

You Keysters and basically all of humanity that are not part of my inner circle of a dozen or so, are bottom feeders taking in only “entry-level milk.” JJ, DK and others you respect have no more light to offer than Billy Graham or some other fundamentalist promoter.

Jesus taught that there were certain doctrines that were too deep to be handled by the unwashed and you, the Keys group are a part of that kindergarten bunch. You, and especially your teacher, JJ, are totally unprepared and unable to see the glorious hidden inner teachings.

And where are these teachings to be found?

Allan: “Right here with me and my inner core who receive my blessing.

“I am in contact with my soul and you are not. None of you have a clue as to what the soul is about.

“I have the inner teachings and you do not.

“I can cause others to contact their soul with hypnosis, but if you use hypnosis it will not work because I have the magic touch and know what to plant in their minds.

“Without me, as your personal beast you will never achieve soul birth and will roam the abyss for eternity as a failed soul image. If you know what is good for you then you will abandon all other teachers, quit reading books as I have, and listen and obey only me and what your soul says as long it agrees with me. If it does not have my approval then you had no contact with your soul.”

There we have in a nutshell what Allan has been trying to tell us in 100,000 words or so.

I think it is about time someone called you on this misled idea you have that you have the real higher cream teachings whereas the rest of us are just at the introductory level because we do not mindlessly, and with no reason, follow you and accept every word you say.

Where are these higher teachings of which you speak? It can’t be in anything you have written, or that is on your many sites, your forum or from your forum members. There is no cream to be found anywhere you have been pointing.

Allan responds, “But, but I have many deep teachings not understood by you guys. For instance I teach about the key of knowledge as contacting your inner teacher, the inner God or Logos.”

Sorry Allan. Most teachers east and west teach some version of this. Most in the east teach about the inner teacher and even many Christians speak of learning from the Holy Spirit within, which is the same as saying leaning from the inner Logos. What else you got?

Allan: “I teach that we must contact the soul and achieve soul birth.”

Well, Allan, you may consider this a deep teaching beyond the reach of us, but we have taught that here many times. We call the first stage soul contact and the second soul infusion. This is not considered a deep doctrine by esoteric students, but very basic. What else you got?

Allan: This world is not the true reality. We are like images in Plato’s cave who do not see the higher and more real world.”

Where have you been Allan? This is basic milk type doctrine for all the eastern religions and even Christians. They often quote Paul as saying:

“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.” I Cor 13:12

Anything else?

Allan: “The use of male and female as a whole to achieve balance.”

Allan, my friend, that is something I have taught as a basic teaching for many years. Now give us an example of something deep, that is beyond our grasp.

Allan: “I teach about the twelve spheres of mind that are ingredients of the Tree of Life, not the mere ten as others do.”

But what do you teach about them other than saying there are twelve spheres? You might as well say there are a hundred if all you have is a catch phrase.

Surely you have something deep for us.

Allan: “Here is something beyond your understanding. I teach that he scriptures are not literal history but allegory designed to teach us the mysteries.”

Lots of people think the scriptures are not true history but allegory.

Allan: “Yes, but I see deeper meaning than they do, the real meaning.”

Can you give us an example?

Allan: “No you have to find the meaning for yourself.”

And I’ve already found the allegory, so does this mean I am no longer entry level.

Allan: “No. You do not see the true allegory.”

And that must be the allegory as you see it so I must have to read your mind to see it correctly.

One more time. Anything else?

Allan: You must go on a vegetarian diet to become a pure vessel.”

Sorry to disappoint you Allan, but billions of people think a vegetarian diet is essential.

I give up Allan. You say you have all these great hidden deep teachings but all you have is surface introductory stuff that is quite simplistic.

Unless you can give some evidence that you are far beyond us in your spiritual understanding please refrain from telling us that we are the ones at the entry level. If you want something beyond entry level here is a sample giving keys to liberation:

“When communion is established, words are forthwith used, and mantric law assumes its rightful place, provided that the One communicates the words and the three remain in silence.

“When response is recognized as emanating from the three, the One, in silence, listens. The roles are changed. A three-fold word issues from out the triple form. A turning round is caused. The eyes no longer look upon the world of form; they turn within, focus the light, and see, revealed, an inner world of being. With this the Manas stills itself, for eyes and mind are one.

“The heart no longer beats in tune with low desire, nor wastes its love upon the things that group and hide the Real. It beats with rhythm new; it pours its love upon the Real, and Maya fades away. Kama and heart are close allied; love and desire form one whole – one seen at night, the other in the light of day….

“When fire and love and mind submit themselves, sounding the three-fold word, there comes response.

“The One enunciates a word which drowns the triple sound. God speaks. A quivering and a shaking in the form responds. The new stands forth, a man remade; the form rebuilt; the house prepared. The fires unite, and great the light that shines: the three merge with the One and through the blaze a four-fold fire is seen.”

Treatise on White Magic, Pages 75-76

Let us see if Allan can produce something of similar depth in just a couple hundred words (not thousands). If not the please refrain from insulting us as beginners while you are the one with the great knowledge.

When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.

But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Luke 14:8-11

 

June 11, 2015

Tuning In

Jim:

Now we went and done it! Allan has not gone silent. He is consulting Ra and his Core Allanites and he has decided to unleash Karmic Retribution to Piss Ants!

JJ

Actually, my soul tunes me in to Allan now and then and the connection has been strong the past couple days. He is an old soul and since his Higher Self has a significant investment in him the hope is that he will direct his energies toward good ends geared to his talents.

I’ve considered responding to him several times over the past few days, but each time my soul told me to not confront him. Finally, after a period of contemplation I came up with a message approved by my soul. This was post #75826 and since it was sanctioned by my soul I figured it would have an impact. After I sent it and he read it I felt a strong reaction coming from him. It was a mixture of strong emotions. He sincerely thinks he has a salvation that we desperately need and at first saw this as a disappointing final rejection of all the work he has done to bring us enlightenment. He sees my lack of acceptance as particularly disappointing since he believes we have worked together productively in the past.

It is indeed interesting to look through the eyes of another for we generally see that each person is just innocently doing his best in his own eyes and Allan has indeed been doing his darndest to accomplish his mission as he sees it.

So what does the soul do when it’s lower self is doing its best in its own eyes, yet trapped in an illusion that keeps it from moving forward into real productive work?

The answer is that it looks for every avenue possible to send a wake up message. So this last post I made to him was not repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result, but was a message from my soul to his.

He first saw it as an a disappointing attack that disturbed him and made him feel like writing me off completely,. But then he felt a link with me that he could not ignore. He would like to but there is something about me or the teachings that he cannot just put a lid on and bury.

The real message for Allan is to feel the love and light from the highest part of his soul where we meet as brothers and merge with it. He is supposed to see me as a coworker, friend and brother, not as a poor wretched one that he has to save. Each of us must save ourselves, with a little help from our friends and our own souls.

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Ruth

When you say that the “individual” incarnates, are you referring to the individual “soul” of that personality? When the soul incarnates and leaves the Oversoul, then this creates an individual soul?

JJ

Even though our souls are all connected to a greater oversoul our souls are distinct and individual. When we incarnate the soul reflects itself and endows the incarnating ego with a portion of itself.

 

June 12, 2015

Guilt and Self-Condemnation

I received this question from a reader:

My husband and I have are having an ongoing discussion about the role of guilt. He is currently of the mindset that guilt has at least some beneficial effect in helping us recognize when we have made an error, correct it and then move forward. He has read a number of your articles related to the negative aspects of guilt but still is having a hard time seeing how once we take the voice of God from within as our ultimate guide, that guilt has served its purpose and is no longer needed. I’ve shared the idea that the voice of God within uses light and an increase of awareness to correct us rather than guilt. He wonders if there is any beneficial place for guilt if we do not allow it to hinder us from moving forward? Is it the same as having our conscience pricked? Is the main distinction between using guilt to correct and using light to correct the idea that guilt tends to be condemning while light is positive and leaves a hopeful outlook for our progression?

JJ

It helps that you have read some of my writings on this subject. Even so, I can understand your husband’s concern as we have all been brought up to believe that guilt is God’s way of revealing to us that we have sinned and those who do not feel guilt are pretty much devoid of the Spirit. A scripture of concern by many is from Paul speaking of those who are seduced by devils:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; I Tim 4:1-2

After reading this, one may think, “Wow, if I have to have my conscience seared with a hot iron to be free from guilt, forget about it.”

What must be understood is this. Conscience and guilt are two different things. Conscience is derived from the light of the inner Christ and gives us a sense of right and wrong. This is indeed something we do not want seared with a hot iron.

One can receive guidance from his conscience without suffering any guilt. In fact, one can bypass conscience and suffer guilt merely because of the way his brain is programmed. If a person is programmed to think it is a sin to eat peas then he could suffer guilt if he eats them.

On the other hand, his true conscience will not make him feel condemned for eating them.

Now if a true seeker were to hurt the feelings of an innocent child his conscience would indeed be activated and cause the person to try and be more sensitive,

The word “sin” in the New Testament comes from the Greek word HAMARTANO which means “to miss the mark.” In other words, when the Greeks, 2000 years ago, shot at a target with an arrow and missed they “sinned” (HAMARTANO) or missed the target. Another way to phrase this would be to say that to sin is to make an error in aim or judgment.

When you consider this idea it is kind of silly to feel guilt over making a mistake. This is like an archer, after he misses he bulls-eye, to condemn himself to such a degree that he feels unworthy to take another shot. Maybe he slaps himself around for a month before he tries again. If he took such an approach he would never become a champion.

Instead, after taking the shot he analyzes his performance and assesses what he can do to improve. This corresponds to the true conscience. It tells us what we need to do to improve. Self condemnation through guilt just slows down real progress because the pilgrim just doesn’t feel worthy to move ahead with his full strength.

Unfortunately, one cannot get rid of guilt by reading an article, though writings such as mine can set one in the right direction.

Guilt is caused by going contrary to a source of the supposed voice of God from outside of oneself. If an authority outside of oneself is accepted as speaking for God and he tells you that God does not want you to eat peas, then you will feel guilty if you eat them.

The only way to free oneself from guilt is to release yourself from leaning on outside authorities for what is supposed to be the will of God. When the seeker makes the shift from finding the final voice of God within, rather than without, then guilt will just evaporate like the dew with the morning sun.

Now many people who really believe that they rely on the voice within rather than without have not really freed themselves. Going by the inner voice only when it meets the approval of an outer voice is not enough. The inner voice must be your most potent and final authority.

If the inner voice tells you something is right or wrong then that is what the seeker must follow no matter what any prophet, priest or guru says. If he does not do this he will be subject to guilt. And if one still suffers from the self-condemnation of guilt this is a sign that he has not released himself from outer authorities speaking as the voice of God to them.

To find that release is easier said than done. My writings on the Beast should be helpful on this. Dan compiled an impressive list of links on this subject. Here is a link to his links:

 

 

June 13, 2015

Prison Planet

The group has been talking about this earth on which we incarnate as a prison planet. Actually I used this term in my book The Lost Key of the Buddha, but the reference there was focused on an earlier part of our history where conditions were much more intolerable than today. In our early history the threat from wild beasts made life insecure for much of humanity. In addition, we had to worry about being attacked, tortured and even eaten by neighboring tribes. Just surviving was a full time job. Relative to many past parts of our history, we have it pretty good today.

Whether or not one feels a prisoner is a matter of relativity. Before we began our journey away from the Oneness of our Source we had a freedom beyond the imagination. Then as we took the steps to journey through the spheres until we arrived at the physical plane we took upon ourselves limitation after limitation. Even the soul has limitations. So here on earth or any other earth on the physical plane entities endure tremendous limitations.

Yet we chose of our own free will to take upon ourselves limitation after limitation until we arrived here.

Why did we do this?

Are we supposed to deal with the limitations here or focus on escape? After all, many have caught a glimpse of the higher realities and after such a glimpse are completely unsatisfied in staying here and place all their attention on going home.

Questions:

Why did we agree to the limitations here to begin with?

Are there lessons to learn from limited conditions that cannot be learned in higher spheres?

Where should we place our main focus – on mastering the situation in which we find ourselves or escaping this reality?

Do we need a master or savior to move forward?

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May 23, 2015

Higher Planes and Vibration

Adam:

I also understand that Book IV concerns the physical universe. However, the physical universe is dependent upon the vibrations of the higher planes. So, your statement made me question my cosmic map. I had always supposed that the Singularity vibrated from the planes of the Cosmic Divine down to the planes of the Cosmic Physical in succession, AND, each time the physical/etheric was to manifest, it subsequently collapsed all the way back to a vibration-less state, beyond the plane of the Cosmic Divine/Divine. Is this accurate?

OR, do the so-called “formless” higher planes sustain their respective vibrations throughout all physical/etheric Incarnations (Physical Big Bangs)? I.e., do the higher planes not collapse, between the periods in which the physical manifests (Bangs) and collapses and Bangs and collapses, many hundreds of times?

JJ

I must say Adam that you have been doing some heavy duty contemplating. Such activity often brings up more questions than answers, but it keeps life interesting.

The seven planes in which we dwell compose just the higher physical plane on the cosmic level. In other words, all that we are capable of comprehending, and more, is just one plane of seven in what is called the seven cosmic planes.

By using the Law of Correspondences we can assume that since our physical plane universe folds up that the higher physical plane would do something similar. Since the higher physical plane consists of all seven of our planes this would indicate that all seven of our planes would eventually go back to the singularity.

On the other hand, because the properties of the higher planes are so much different than the lower planes their return to a singularity would be much different. It might be called something like “the rest or sleep of intelligence.”

The physical, astral and mental planes are called the three worlds of form and as such are composed of vibrations as we scientifically understand the term.

In the higher planes form and vibration is not something that provides for a vehicle of experience as we understand the term, but is something seen in thought and imagination. If you imagine a house or a wavelength you are not creating form and vibration as we understand it, but you are seeing what can be.

But when you manifest those images in the worlds of form you do so by the use of vibration and form that can interact with other forms.

The three worlds of form, the physical, the emotional and the mental give us plenty of mysteries to unravel. Some can access the intuitional or higher, but few have given any details as to what these higher planes are like.

Some who undergo the first stages of spiritual contact merely exclaim that the experience is beyond words, but in reality nothing is beyond words, for all is created by the Word which is God.

Paul said that he saw things unlawful to reveal and some take that to mean that he couldn’t put the experience in words, but that is not what he said. All experiences can be put in words, but the higher thoughts will only be fully understood by those on the same level as the words themselves.

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Allan:

If you take notice, the vast majority of the posts on JJ’s forum deal with external phenomena — whether it be phenomena in the physical realm, phenomena in the astral realms, and an external hierarchy of masters and various diversities of external powers and associations. In contradistinction, the vast majority of the posts on the Nazirene forums deal with the inner diversity, powers and patterns of one’s own mind and being.

JJ

ROTFLMAO

That is like Peewee Herman telling Dwayne Johnson that it is he who is into heavy lifting whereas Dwayne just plays Hopscotch with the girls.

First of all, your group spends almost no time in discussing the real inner world and the principles thereof. You think that just saying the word “inner” and catch phrases that mean little or nothing is exploring the inner.

Well, it isn’t.

Saying catch words and phrases like dimensions of the mind, cosmology of mind and being, hologram, quantum, higher soul self, allegory, Plato’s Cave, Kingdom of God within, spiritual DNA etc mean little if they are jus thrown out with no explanation of the principles. Just throwing out an uncommon vocabulary while not demonstrating any explanation of the principles involved is what is true astralism. DK would probably call this the astral glamour of superior knowledge.

What I introduce here for discussion has nothing to do with astralism. Instead, we concentrate on principles which are the true language of the soul – not the dead words of ancient scripture as you suppose. Instead of using inner centered vocabulary that really keeps one in the world without, we introduce principles that cause the seeker to go within and reflect to understand. True principles come from the higher worlds, intuitive and above, whereas fancy sounding data and nothing else is where the true astralism resides.

Allan:

Neither is the true Western Gnostic concerned with external astral realms, teachers, gurus and masters — when the Greatest Teacher and Source of Knowledge lies within their own Consciousness, Mind and Being.

While we as a group on occasion do discuss astral realms and external phenomena, the primary focus is on the pattern and reality of one’s own mind and being — often portrayed as the Cosmology of Mind.

JJ

The problem is that you say over and over that you and your group seek the teacher within, but you do nothing to demonstrate that you do this. Instead, you rely on quotes from outer authorities when you teach and it appears the only real way to go within to find the soul is to go to you (an outer authority) and be regressed and directed to the higher self. I can’t find any guidance on your site about making inner contact on your own and receiving knowledge from within except quoting scriptures like, “the kingdom of God is within.”

Even Fundamentalists are aware of that scripture and can use it s they see fit.

I do not insinuate that the group has to come to me to be regressed or go through some procedure with me to contact their souls – which, in reality would merely be a thoughtform. I give them helpful information that they can use to do this on their own. And this is where true soul contact is made – through the individual’s own efforts, not by some thing done by an outer authority.

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More on KRISIS

Ken:

Satan did not want to procreate, and this is why he rebelled and took 1/3 of the angels with him,

JJ

That teaching is not in the Bible. Where did you get it?

Ken:

His teaching of karma and reincarnation gives mankind the idea that they can continue with their sinful lives, die, and then live again, thus denying the Truth concerning how “the soul who sins shall die.”

JJ

To die is to merely be separated from your physical body and all of us who sin (error) will die again and again until we correct our errors then one can extend life in the physical body as long as desired.

Compare reincarnation to the unjust God you worship, which if you have the misfortune to have the wrong belief system, God will bring you back from the dead, put you to shame and then burn you into oblivion with the excruciatingly painful second death of fire.

That is making a loving God into a devil of the worst kind.

Ken:

How can the day of KRISIS be more tolerable for Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom, and not as tolerable for Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum, IF the day of KRISIS is all about reincarnating again to continually face KRISIS until you “get it right.?”

JJ

Quite easy. This merely means that the people of Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom will be born into more hellish conditions than those of Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum. Perhaps the first was sent to North Korea and the second was sent to Cuba, which is not as bad.

According to your belief both groups will be burned up in the second death so there will be no difference in their judgment, which runs contrary to the words of Jesus.

Ken:

And here we have Yeshua telling us again about KRISIS:

Mt 12:36-37

36 “But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of KRISIS.

37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

This accounting for in the day of KRISIS, is this done many multiple times over many reincarnations? Is the justification and the condemnation which Yeshua speaks about, occurring separately, or do they occur together in the day of KRISIS?

JJ

As I said the modern word crisis comes from the Greek KRISIS and is very similar in meaning. If I talk about a day of crisis in my life am I saying that there will only be one crisis for an entire life or eternity? Of course not. That is plain silly. A life can have many days of crisis and our whole series of lives has many resurrections of KRISIS where we are judged and placed in different situations so we can be rewarded according to our works.

Ken:

Acts 17:30-31

30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, Elohim is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

This appointed day, is it the day of KRISIS, and can this day occur many times over the course of all people’s lives through many reincarnations, to give them opportunity to repent?

JJ

It appears that fixed day has already occurred:

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? John 9:39-40

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. John 12:31-32

It appears that the fixed day was the day he was crucified.

Even so, the world will be judged in numerous different ways in the future and several may have fixed days.

Ken:

Rom 2:5-8, 16

5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of Elohim,

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

16 on the day when, according to my gospel, Elohim will judge the secrets of men through Messiah Yeshua.

This day of wrath, when the righteous judgment of Elohim is revealed, is it multiple days throughout many lifetimes, or is it on ONE day where Elohim will judge the secrets of men?

JJ

We are judged one life at a time. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say there will only be one judgment and nothing else.

You emphasize this scripture:

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

According to your belief system this would be impossible. It would also be impossible without reincarnation. For instance, the scripture says:

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

There are many who have led into captivity and killed with the sword but who wound up dying peacefully in their sleep. So answer me this:

How would a person who killed with the sword, but died of a heart attack be able to fulfill this scripture and wind up getting killed with the sword?

The only way to do this is to be born again in the flesh.

Ken:

2Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Is this appearance before the judgment seat of Messiah ONLY for the wicked, or is it also for the good?

JJ

It is for both, of course and it shall be done by our own souls which are linked to the Christ.

Ken:

Oh, and look here:

1Jn 4:17 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of KRISIS; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

Why would someone, with whom love is perfected, which you would believe to be achieving the “resurrection of life,” have need of any confidence on or in the day of KRISIS? I thought you teach that only those with whom it is needed to BECOME as He is, would be required to enter into KRISIS again and again, until they achieved that goal?

JJ

First of all the word “perfected” here is not a good translation. It comes from TELEIOO which does not translate correctly into the English perfected but completed would be closer. It should read:

By this, love is completed with us. That is not to say that they were in the same state of spiritual progression as Christ, but that they were offering the same love of God that he did.

Concerning those who follows him Jesus said, “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” John 10:9

When a man treads the path of return he ceases to go to hellish lives but will go in and out of incarnation and find pasture, or pleasant places to incarnate.

Understanding and giving out love is just one of the ingredients to escape the wheel of rebirth, but even when one reaches the Resurrection of Life he can still incarnate again if he wants to. The higher you go the more freedom you have.

Here is some additional information on KISIS

Many of the exact meanings of Biblical words from the Greek and Hebrew have been lost and over the past millennia and much guesswork has been involved in translation. This is why one verse will have dozens of different wordings in the various translations giving a number of variations of meaning.

This verse in John is no exception for it is rendered a number of different ways. Translators translate KRISIS here as “damnation” “judgment and “condemnation” in the various Bibles.

The most accepted translation of this word is “Decision.” This is verified by Strong’s Concordance, the most valued authority in Bible translation. Most Bible and Greek scholars agree with this.

The common translation for the word in Bibles is “judgment.”

It is interesting to note that “decision” and “judgment” are the first two key words in the Keys of Knowledge.

A word with a core meaning of decision is often translated as “judgment” because the two words are so closely linked. After all what is a judgment but a weighted decision?

The fact that the Greek word KRISIS evolved into the English “crisis” gives us some additional hints as to the original meaning.

My dictionary gives two interesting definitions of this word:

(1) A crucial or decisive point or situation; a turning point.

(2) A point in a story or drama when a conflict reaches its highest tension and must be resolved.

Now the interesting thing about the Biblical Greek and Hebrew words is this. Many of them cannot be accurately translated with a single English word. Many of these ancient words are very rich in meaning and would take a whole paragraph to describe. Unfortunately, when translating an entire script it is impossible to elaborate on the meaning of each word so usually just a single word must be picked. When KRISIS evolved into English a new word had to be created to project its meaning. This new word was not decision, judgment, damnation, condemnation or any of the words mentioned by translators, but the new word “crisis.”

Crisis is related to the orthodox meaning of decision and judgment, but with a twist. The twist is a point of tension, or turning point that will lead to an entirely new path, usually one of correction. I therefore gave what I consider to be the most correct meaning of the word as “decision which leads to correction.” If I had to reduce it to a word I would use the word “correction.”

The final test of a correct translation is to go to every place in the Bible where the word is used and see if the word or phrase fits on a consistent basis.

The Bible translators do not use judgment in every case because it doesn’t seem to fit consistently.

For one thing the judgments mentioned in the scripture occur before the resurrection. How then can we have a resurrection of judgment when those coming back to life are already judged?

Let us take a look at a couple places where KRISIS is translated as something other than “judgment” and see if the word “correction” seems to fit better.

First of all let us look at the scripture in question:

“The hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation (KRISIS).” John 5:28-29

There is no basis at all to use the word “damnation” but a resurrection that places you in a situation where you are forced to make decisions which leads to correction makes sense. “resurrection of correction” thus fits in well here.

Here’s another:

Standard

“And this is the condemnation (KRISIS), that the light is come into the world…” John 3:19

With “correction”

“And this is the correction (KRISIS), that the light is come into the world…”

Standard

“Ye serpents, Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation (KRISIS) of hell?” Matt 23:33

With “correction”

“Ye serpents, Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the correction (KRISIS) of hell?”

In this context it is interesting that the hell that is our prison system are called “correctional” institutions.

We also find places where KRISIS is translated as “judgment” that it makes more sense to use “correction.”

For Instance:

Standard

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment (KRISIS).” Matt 12:36

With “correction”

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of correction (KRISIS).”

Standard

“But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment (KRISIS) and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” Luke 11:42

With “correction”

“But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over correction (KRISIS) and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Standard

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment (KRISIS) is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30

With “correction”

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my correction (KRISIS) is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30

Standard

“Now is the judgment (KRISIS) of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” John 12:31

With “correction”

“Now is the correction (KRISIS) of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

Standard

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (KRISIS).” Heb 9:27

With “correction”

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the correction (KRISIS).”

Standard

“Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment (KRISIS) upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly” Jude, Verses 14-15

With “correction”

“Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute correction (KRISIS) upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly”

Standard

“Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment (KRISIS) is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” Rev 14:7

With “correction”

“Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his correction (KRISIS) is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”

As I said no single word does the job. Correction, judgment and decision all fit fairly consistently, but what fits best of all is the core meaning of the modern word crisis which evolved from KRISIS – which is basically “a decision or situation which brings correction” – or if the wrong decision is made, disaster.

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Latuwr

It is very clear to me from the Scriptures that some of us mortals were known beforehand. Consider Abraham:

Genesis 18:19

19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of YAHWEH, to do justice and judgment; that YAHWEH may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Please notice several important things right here:

* Abraham did command His Seed to follow in His Footsteps according to YAHWEH.

* Abraham would receive what was promised based upon the Seed following in the Footsteps of Abraham.

* Here is what Abraham did do:

Genesis 26:5

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So, Abraham set the standard for anyone to arise and claim to be the Seed. It is evident that if anyone should desire to actually be Abraham’s Seed, then they must do as Abraham did do (please read John 8:39).

Here is a big problem for all those who believe in reincarnation. Exactly how many lifetimes did it take Abraham to become known of YAHWEH?

JJ Hundreds of them.

Latuwr

If indeed it took Abraham many lifetimes, then we must say that the knowledge of YAHWEH is actually incomplete and progressive based upon what Abraham must eventually accomplish.

JJ

Nonsense. It is based on God’s knowledge of our past, not our future. If you have a friend that has been reliable time and time again then you know you can trust him in the future. That is pretty simple.

Latuwr

If the deeds of Abraham are progressive, then the deeds of the Seed must also be progressive and, of course, it would take the Seed many lifetimes to follow the pattern set by Abraham if the Son is like unto the Father.

JJ

The seed of Abraham have already gone through many lifetimes and learned what is necessary to take the next steps required.

Latawr

If YAHWEH knows an individual, does not this knowledge require that YAHWEH also have knowledge of the individual beforehand.

JJ

And the reason God knows us beforehand is because we have incarnated many times and he knows our record from the Book o Life. That makes a lot more sense than him knowing us from some nebulous spirit existence before birth where we were not even tested.

Latawr

If YAHWEH actually knew Abraham beforehand, why did it take Abraham many lifetimes to completely obey YAHWEH if indeed Abraham was known by YAHWEH beforehand?

JJ

Why does it take anyone many steps of progress to obtain a skill or quality? Do you think Abraham was just born for no reason with spiritual and physical skills? Of course not. He developed then over numerous lifetimes.

Latawr

These are Scriptural Questions which are based upon what YAHWEH has said in HIS Word. I have found that reincarnationists do not like to answer Scriptural Questions. Like HaSatan, they do not like to expose their beliefs to the light of the Scriptures.

JJ

The light of the scriptures irrevocably prove reincarnation. Just read my two works, the Bible and Reincarnation and Eternal Lives.

Latawr:

Accordingly, I challenge reincarnationists to come to Lo Ammi and answer this specific question concerning Our Messiah Yahushua:

Exactly, how many incarnations were required for Messiah Yahushua to prove HIMSELF the Seed of Abraham?

Come now, Allan Cronshaw, come now, Joseph John Dewey, will you leave the safety of your own forums to defend your beliefs in a forum which advocates the Logos and Rhema of YAHWEH ELOHIM as the standard of truth?

JJ

That is not much of a challenge as you and Ken do not make much of an argument.

So far any evidence you and Ken present from the scriptures for one life is extremely weak.

And neither you or Ken answered my question as follows:

You emphasize this scripture:

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

According to your belief system this would be impossible. It would also be impossible without reincarnation. For instance, the scripture says:

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

There are many who have led into captivity and killed with the sword but who wound up dying peacefully in their sleep. So answer me this:

How would a person who killed with the sword, but died of a heart attack be able to fulfill this scripture and wind up getting killed with the sword?

It takes many lifetimes for Jesus or any of us to obtain liberation. You can’t even become a good spouse in one lifetime let alone proficient in all things necessary to satisfy the human spirit.

If you really want to do the works of Abraham you should go get several wives as he did.

The goal is not to be exactly like Abraham, but to commune with God, do great works and then move on to higher work beyond the physical plane.

 

May 25, 2015

Crystallization and Will

Ruth:

When one is “damned” and halted in their soul progression, then one cannot progress any further in that lifetime, and will have to wait until they reincarnate to correct their mistake/s. Yes?

JJ

When a pilgrim ceases to explore and learn in such a way that he is no longer headed in the direction of new realizations and seeing new vistas of light and knowledge his progression is said to be “damned”, or blocked for that life. DK uses the term “crystallization” and says that it affects about 90% of the population by the age of 53.

Now this doesn’t mean that the person will cease to do productive work or to learn within his sphere. Let us take a medical doctor, for example, who is 60 years old and crystallized. He practices orthodox medicine, reads his trade journals, treats his patients competently. What is the effect of crystallization on him?

It is this. Someone presents him with solid information on alternative cancer research and he automatically rejects it and shows no interest in testing it out of examining it with an open mind.

Another example would be an older musician. Maybe he wrote and performed some inspiring music in his younger years, but now can’t seem to write anything that brings back the old magic. He just plays his old hits over and over.

He is stuck and learning nothing new. Instead of branching out and stretching himself he relies on the tried and true to carry him through to the end if his days.

I thought it was great when Michael Jordan, often rated he best basketball player of all time, quit basketball to try his hand at baseball. I thought that was really great for someone so accomplished in one art to give a try at another.

Unfortunately, mastering a new sport was more difficult than he thought so he quit and went back on the easy path and played basketball again.

Now that he has retired let us hope that he is still considering some new goals that will challenge his ability.

People also crystallize in their belief systems. The person may be a member of an orthodox religion, a new ager, an ebonite, or even a student of the Bailey writings and have this problem.

Crystallization in belief is more difficult to prove because one who has not crystallized will not change his mind without good reason and is sometimes accused of stubbornness and crystallization. But he who has crystallized will not change his mind when the reasoning is good. In fact he will rarely examine the reasoning of other beliefs so he can truly understand them. Many will not read or study anything of substance outside of their comfort zone.

Ruth:

Did Wayne damn his soul progression, by not eating properly and then dying from heart disease?

In other words, he went against his soul, and catered to his lower desires to eat junk food etc? Or was he damned in his soul progression because he didn’t listen to your advice about eating right etc? Or was it a bit of both?

JJ

I don’t usually use the word “damned” in this context as it infers something much more drastic than a temporary slowing of progression.

In his first Saturn cycle of around 29 years Wayne had a very powerful will. I was amazed at how he could almost magically manifest anything he wanted through shear force of that will.

Now my talent in this life is to tap into Purpose and to bring it down to the physical plane. I believe that Wayne came into this life with a gift of Will to assist me in manifesting many of the things of which I write.

Unfortunately something happened along the way to thwart the plan. He married a lady he did not love and whenever a problem occurred instead of solving it with his wonderful will he started blaming everything that went wrong on her. After a few years he divorced her, but that did not end the blame game. When he could no longer blame his ex wife he started blaming “them” or the “system.” There always seemed to be some invisible hand out there that was causing him to fail. At one time he was on the road to untold riches and power, but as soon as he fell into the blaming trap he started to lose everything until he lost just about everything he owned.

About this time he told me of a dream he had of a beautiful bird that had immense power and freedom. Then something happened to it that turned it wretched and powerless. He asked me what it could mean

I told him the meaning was obvious and the bird was himself and that he had lost his beautiful power of will.

Anyway, despite his blockage he remained a good supportive friend for the rest of his life and I always valued our talks together. He was very intelligent and good hearted. I always wished he could have kept that beautiful bird alive and well.

It is not just one thing like diet that hold us back, but the whole package. The disciple must always examine all parts of his life so he can make maximum progress.

I am sure that Wayne is in deep contemplation in the Spirit world seeking to engineer a more productive life in the next attempt. I am confident we will meet again in the flesh as well as the spirit.

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The Synthesis Project

Dan writes:

What exactly IS “the project” again? If I understood correctly we were to “search out spiritual non dogmatic groups and their contact information” with whom we may be able to synthesize.

But if you have a way to “gather many hundreds of possible groups and influential people” then that is probably not necessary. (?)

So, where are we? What is needed to further develop “the project” at this point?

Then Blayne asks:

Did you elaborate on this and I missed it? I am interested also in helping. I am working on my project that might dove tail into this and help gather people who are looking for change and a better world etc…

JJ

First let me reference my original post on this so the details can be reviewed. You can read it HERE

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Keysters/conversations/topics/75293

The basic idea is to gather spiritual groups loosely together into one master web site where we can post the best of their writings, stories, blogs, events etc.

Right now there is no synthetic site for alternative thinking which would include alternative spiritual teachings as well as health and healing.

Perhaps the closest is at Spirit Web where old timers will remember used to be the home of the Keys, until they quit hosting group discussions.

Now they make available a large number of writings, but not much group interaction.

You can find Spirit Web HERE

http://www.spirit-web.org/

Perhaps the Huffington Post is the closest to what I have in mind. It started out as a fairly left leaning political site and branched out into many different divisions. It sold for a third of a billion dollars about ten years ago, but is probably worth much more today.

A Huffington Post link is HERE

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

The site I have in mind would be much more specialized but could still have a wide appeal. It could not only be a medium which would provide opportunity for spiritual people and groups to interact, but could provide opportunity for the teachings here to get a much wider exposure.

As far as help goes, yes we will need lots of help to get this going. I have ideas as to how to run down the needed groups, but it will take a lot of leg work. I’ll share them with those who participate.

As I contemplate this project I see it is bigger than I have time to head up myself. It will not only take a lot of time but also some financial investment. The investment could pay off well as if it is successful it could be a great source of advertising revenue.

What we need is for someone to sep forward who is willing to invest time and money to get this going. This person (or persons) would be the owner of the site and I would be a consultant.

This could be an important project, but I still have to reserve as much time as possible to continue writing and other projects. I can’t afford the risk of running myself too thin.

So… if someone takes this on it could not only be spiritually rewarding, but financially also, if done right.

If anyone is interested please let me know.

 

May 28, 2015

Using an Open Mind

Clay:

JJ your spiritual views and the views of this forum are too tied to politics and libertariansim. This forum seems to regard anything else as being “from the beast” so I am not really interested in debating on those principles. Also, Rand was a positive materialist, she rejected all notions of spirituality, mysticism and occultism, and thought all christian altruistic principles abhorrent. She thinks altruism is a mental illness, so anyone who subscribes to Rand and her principles, rejects every principle I think is worth working for in the world. You either work for Service to Self, or for Service to Others. Rand might have been an initiate, but it was of the Left Hand Path of Service to ones Self. Rands entire path is one of the elevation of the ego self to godhood.

JJ

After spending several months responding to you it now appears that you need any writer or teacher to agree with your mindset to a very high degree before you find anything of value. For you to like Bernie Sanders must mean that you agree with him politically on almost everything he says.

Just because a person doesn’t agree with you does not mean that they he little or nothing to say.

Yeah, I also spiritually disagree with Ayn Rand, but that certainly doesn’t mean she is on any left hand path or that all her ideas should be discounted. Many born againers have this approach, thinking that no atheist can say anything of value. This is entirely incorrect as many atheists and people of all belief systems can come up with great ideas.

Steve Jobs had a domineering personality like Rand, but that does not diminish his accomplishments with Apple.

Anyone who supports the principle of freedom for others has not yet taken the left hand path for those on the left hand path seek to take away freedom of choice of others to enhance their own. Of course, those who are on the left hand path will not admit this but when you examine their actual deeds their actions never increase the freedom of the whole.

I read your favorite author and disagreed with quite a few things, but also found some good things.

You read my favorite author and find nothing of value. You might ask yourself, “Is my vision clouded because of my preconceived notions?”

Both authors have heart and intelligence in my opinion.

Glad Sarah is reading the books. I was somewhat surprised by her view of Elizabeth in the book as a weak female, like a humble Mormon lady. I’ve never receive a negative comment on her before including from my wife that she is patterned after – and my wife has never had anything to do with the Mormon church. She is a strong lady not at all resembling the stereotype Mormon subservient wife.

Elizabeth’s weakness, seen by your wife, had to be placed there to make the story successfully move ahead.

Sometimes when you are watching a movie and you see the character doing something stupid you feel like shouting at the screen, thinking you would be a lot smarter than that. Maybe so, but when you examine the principles of writing and plot you can usually see why they had to make the character do what he did. Sometimes I think I could have written the story so the character didn’t have to do the dumb thing, but other times I have to admit there was no other way to make the story move successfully ahead.

On the other hand, I know from experience that both men and women are fully capable of high stupidity, so most readers or viewers accept dumb actions as entirely within the realm of possibility.

May 30, 2015

Human Weakness

Sarah (Clays wife) says that she would have thought for herself and rejected the doctor’s advice or the directive of the guru and wouldn’t have needed anyone to heal herself of MS.

Well, this is entirely possible and would make her one of the few who would take such a path, but let me give two examples of strong women I have known who followed the same path as Elizabeth.

The first one is known by many here on the Keys and this was Glenys. We all saw her as a strong female and she saw herself as such and often expressed his belief. I recall that she once told me she had difficulty in keeping a boyfriend because men were intimidated by her strength.

Then, as many remember, she got cancer. Since she was into the raw foods and natural diet, and all kinds of alternative things as well as being a proclaimed strong woman one would guess that working with orthodox medicine would have been her last choice.

Wrong. It was her first choice.

She gave me a lengthy explanation (almost apologetically) as to why she was going the orthodox route, but it didn’t make any sense to me except for one thing.

I think she was frightened by the diagnosis and intimidated by the doctors. And who can blame her? My sister died, not from cancer, but from the treatment because the doctors convinced her that the alternatives would just allow the cancer to kill her. I would imagine that Glenys felt a lot like my sister. When one is threatened by cancer, MS or some other deadly problem they often are scared into the orthodox route. This is the norm rather than the exception.

Unfortunately, both Glenys and my sister died shortly after taking radiation treatments.

The other comment on Elizabeth’s weakness was the willingness to get naked with Philo.

I got the idea for this story ingredient from a real life example related to me by my nephew, Curtis, who had a girlfriend who was indeed considered a strong woman. Now Curtis has a strong personality and has dominated every girlfriend he has had but this one. This one had her own business, made a lot more money than he did and he didn’t seem to dominate her at all. If anything, it was the other way around.

One day they attended a symposium given by this guru that Curtis wanted to check out. It seemed like a normal presentation until the guru started talking about the importance of freedom and told everyone to stand up. Everyone stood up. Then he ordered them all in firm language to take off all their clothes. Everyone kind of looked at each other, somewhat puzzled at first, but then he restated the order letting them know that he was serious.

Within a few seconds a few started to comply which seemed to create a chain reaction and then most, including Curtis, were completely in the buff. His girlfriend was the last of a couple hundred people attending to resist, but when she saw that everyone was naked except for her she thought, “what the hell” and then disrobed.

When Curtis told me this story I told him I was surprised that everyone complied, even his iron willed girlfriend. I wasn’t surprised he complied, as he does not embarrass easily. I then said that I would imagine that if someone had herpes or some embarrassing physical problem that they would not have complied.

He smiled and said that a lady close to him did have herpes, but that didn’t stop her.

This just shows the power that a thoughtform can have and many who think they can resist such a thing are surprised at their actions when placed in the right situation.

This is why Jesus told us to be careful how we judge. Many seekers do not know what they will do in a circumstance until they have been there.

 

May 31, 2015

Sending and Receiving

Clay:

You don’t think that the masters are also receiving Ruth.. We all both send and receive because we are all both feminine and masculine, we just differ in balance. also their is no relationship anywhere, that is all one way. This all or nothing thinking is not very synthetic.

JJ

You really need to read up on the teachings here because that is what I have been teaching from the beginning. That was why

Did Jesus’s Karma end? was so frustrated with your statement about the teachings here on male/females is that it was extremely far far off the mark. No one here believes that we are all (100%) either in the sending or receiving mode.

I think we all believe here that each of us have male and female energies within us and we need to balance them off, as one will always dominate more than the other. For instance, in relation to the people on the internet forums you are obviously more in the sending (male) mode more than Sarah and you send to others on a number of forums regularly while she reads and receives (female mode). That doesn’t mean that she doesn’t send (male) when she deems it appropriate – or that you do not receive (female). I would think that you need to hone in on your receiving (female) side though so you do not misrepresent what is posted here.

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Karma, Group and Individual

Jim:

Did Jesus’ Karma end?

JJ

No, it did not. To say karma ends is to say cause and effect ends and cause and effect is eternal. Jesus still has karma to work out in relation to the Jews, the Christian Church and to the world. He must come again to assist in balancing things out.

Kelly asks is karma affects us beyond our individual actions. Are we subject to family, group, racial and world karma?

The answer is a definite yes.

Let us start with the world itself. It is obvious to any thinking person that there are many effects that come to each individual from all the lives interacting in the world that have little to do with our individual karma.

If we had a nuclear war tomorrow and most of the population were destroyed there would be many innocent people affected whose karma didn’t really warrant such a disaster. But what happens to the world as a whole is not related to any individual karma, but the karma of life on earth as a whole entity.

The same ting goes with national karma. In the founding of the Unite States enough people stood up for freedom that a uniquely free country was created and enjoyed by many who were against the concept to begin with. The consciousness of the young nation as a whole determined the karma of the whole, not the minority who supported King George.

We can also see racial karma working out. It was mentioned that in early history that the Jews supported genocide, and then later suffered it themselves. The blacks suffered slavery and oppression, not many years ago, and now there are many trying to give them an extra helping hand to compensate.

Groups such as churches and various institutions also have collective karma. One of the groups we are most subject to karma are family and soul groups. These two are closely connected because there are usually several members of your soul group in your extended family.

You and your close associates who incarnate together over and over are a group cause and suffer or reap group effects.

Let us take Mitt Romney and his Dad, George, for example. They are in the same family and I believe the same soul group making them closely linked.

When George was running for President he was ahead in the polls and it looked like he was going to beat Nixon out of the nomination. Then he had his eyes opened about some of the problems of Vietnam and made the statement that he was previously “brainwashed” on the war.

The press and many powers that be attacked him as being brainwashed way beyond what was warranted and in a few days his ratings sank like nothing I have seen and Nixon glided on to the nomination.

I have always thought that his treatment was unjust and when Mitt ran for the president I assumed that George, from beyond the grave, would consider it a payback if his son could have the positive karma owed to him so Mitt could get the nomination. And it did turn out that Mitt did get the nomination, but apparently that is all the further the good karma took him. He was in his own when running as the nominee.

As far as individual karmas go, our soul guides us so we balance the scales of cause and effect, but all other lives and their karma has to be a part of that equation.

Then we come to the individual who is a god to his own universe of lives of several trillion cells and more. All the lives in your body are subject to your decisions which you make.

And what if we did blow the world up and you were one of the good guys who did not deserve such karma?

You would definitely see it as an inconvenience but if your karma warranted it you could transfer to another planet where conditions are better so you can indeed reap the good that you have sowed.

In the end balance is always achieved.

Be like the bird who, pausing in her flight awhile on boughs too slight, feels them give way beneath her, and yet sings, knowing she has wings.

Victor Hugo

 

June 2, 2015

More on Female Masters

Ruth Writes:

That is why I am interested in how Masters of Wisdom could be female “Masters”, when DK says this:

“As DK says, the mind is the “plane whereon the masters can be found.”

JJ

Because the masters can be found on the plane of the mind does not mean that it is not accessible or used by others. The plane of higher mind overlaps into accessible consciousness of all intelligent life forms in this solar system and is the point of contact in common for lives from human up to the Solar Logos.

This would definitely include the Lords of Compassion. Even though they are polarized female and the female energy of emotion and intuition is their line of least resistance they also have access to mind, a male polarized plane.

The bottom line is that a Master of Wisdom could continue in a female body, if that is what he decides to do for some purpose, and a Lord of Compassion could be in a male body if that is what he wants.

Now keep in mind we are referring to masters as taught in the Bailey teachings. These are beings who have mastered the wisdom aspect and have obtained power over death to the extent that they can extend their lives in a physical body as long as is desired or needed. Others may merely call various teachers masters which may indicate a different mastery than someone like DK, KH or Jesus.

The sex of the bodies of those higher than the human kingdom are not itemized anywhere as I would guess it is not important for us to know and may just be a distraction if we did know.

It is interesting that DK calls all those he works with, whether in male or female bodies, his “brothers.” He has always referred to Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey as brothers, for instance. Apparently brotherhood is an association principle that encompasses both physical sexes.

Then we have this strange scripture from the Gospel of Thomas which was brought up recently:

Simon Peter said to them, “Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.” Jesus said, “Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.”

JJ

I doubt that this statement reflects the actual words of Jesus as it even contradicts his previous words in the same book:

(He says you enter the kingdom of God) when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female…

That last statement would have been more accurate if it had said something like:

For every female who makes herself male and every male who makes himself female will enter the kingdom of Heaven so long as he follows the voice of the God Within.”

The male energy is sending and the female receiving and we must master both sending and receiving to enter the kingdom.

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How many fundamentalist sites do you know of that believes mankind was placed under sin on purpose (by Elohim) with no way out from under that slavery, except through the redemption found in Messiah.

JJ
The Mormons and a number of others believe this. What is your point?

Ken

With that being said, can I ask you a question? What is the catalyst that redeems you from your former way of life, when you lived as a slave to sin (assuming you have repented from that former way of life, the “old man”?

JJ

The Greek from which the word “sin” was translated in the New Testament comes from HAMARTIA which is derived from HAMARTANO which means “to miss the mark.” In other words, when the Greeks 2000 years ago shot at a target with an arrow and missed they “sinned” (HAMARTANO) or missed the target. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon tells us that the Greeks also used it to mean “an error in understanding.”

People largely miss the mark because they listen to outer authorities above the voice of God which speaks within. This misplaced attention is indeed the cause of most of the error or sins of mankind.

A sin I used to be subject to was the error that the Bible was to be followed no matter what. Then additional light came and I realized that the scriptures were a tool of the beast to control people – that the only thing we can trust is the voice of the God within.

So in answer to your question it was the light of the Spirit of God that freed me from the old man who had the scriptures for his personal beast. May you seek the same freedom.

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And why should one bow down to the masters you designate any more than the Eck Master in Eckankar? They didn’t ask me for money when I visited them but just wanted me to blindly accept that I needed their living master to escape the wheel of rebirth. I felt absolutely no need to accept someone as some living master that knew less than I did.

Scientology also operates on this similar extreme devotion idea.

From what I have read in the book you referenced it sounds like seekers are not to be inspired by a teacher, but controlled and dominated by him to the point of even worshiping the dust kicked up by his feet. The writer mentions the kingdom within but insists that we need a master without to hold our hand to get there.

We are supposed to light candles but not by making others into groveling to beastly control. After receiving inspiration from a teacher one has to work out his spiritual progression on his own.

As to my connections or status – there is no need for me to say as my words testify of where I am as do yours and every other seeker.

Here are DK’s actual words on devotion:

I have told you much; yet at the same time I have told you nothing which would lead you to offer me that blind obedience and the foolish devotion which the emotional aspirant offers to the Guru and Master Whom he is as yet unable to contact. Nor will he make that desired contact until he has transmuted emotional devotion into unselfish service to humanity not to the Master.

This was deemed an important statement for it is in the introduction to all his books.

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