Series: 2015

May 23, 2015

Higher Planes and Vibration

Adam:

I also understand that Book IV concerns the physical universe. However, the physical universe is dependent upon the vibrations of the higher planes. So, your statement made me question my cosmic map. I had always supposed that the Singularity vibrated from the planes of the Cosmic Divine down to the planes of the Cosmic Physical in succession, AND, each time the physical/etheric was to manifest, it subsequently collapsed all the way back to a vibration-less state, beyond the plane of the Cosmic Divine/Divine. Is this accurate?

OR, do the so-called “formless” higher planes sustain their respective vibrations throughout all physical/etheric Incarnations (Physical Big Bangs)? I.e., do the higher planes not collapse, between the periods in which the physical manifests (Bangs) and collapses and Bangs and collapses, many hundreds of times?

JJ

I must say Adam that you have been doing some heavy duty contemplating. Such activity often brings up more questions than answers, but it keeps life interesting.

The seven planes in which we dwell compose just the higher physical plane on the cosmic level. In other words, all that we are capable of comprehending, and more, is just one plane of seven in what is called the seven cosmic planes.

By using the Law of Correspondences we can assume that since our physical plane universe folds up that the higher physical plane would do something similar. Since the higher physical plane consists of all seven of our planes this would indicate that all seven of our planes would eventually go back to the singularity.

On the other hand, because the properties of the higher planes are so much different than the lower planes their return to a singularity would be much different. It might be called something like “the rest or sleep of intelligence.”

The physical, astral and mental planes are called the three worlds of form and as such are composed of vibrations as we scientifically understand the term.

In the higher planes form and vibration is not something that provides for a vehicle of experience as we understand the term, but is something seen in thought and imagination. If you imagine a house or a wavelength you are not creating form and vibration as we understand it, but you are seeing what can be.

But when you manifest those images in the worlds of form you do so by the use of vibration and form that can interact with other forms.

The three worlds of form, the physical, the emotional and the mental give us plenty of mysteries to unravel. Some can access the intuitional or higher, but few have given any details as to what these higher planes are like.

Some who undergo the first stages of spiritual contact merely exclaim that the experience is beyond words, but in reality nothing is beyond words, for all is created by the Word which is God.

Paul said that he saw things unlawful to reveal and some take that to mean that he couldn’t put the experience in words, but that is not what he said. All experiences can be put in words, but the higher thoughts will only be fully understood by those on the same level as the words themselves.

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Allan:

If you take notice, the vast majority of the posts on JJ’s forum deal with external phenomena — whether it be phenomena in the physical realm, phenomena in the astral realms, and an external hierarchy of masters and various diversities of external powers and associations. In contradistinction, the vast majority of the posts on the Nazirene forums deal with the inner diversity, powers and patterns of one’s own mind and being.

JJ

ROTFLMAO

That is like Peewee Herman telling Dwayne Johnson that it is he who is into heavy lifting whereas Dwayne just plays Hopscotch with the girls.

First of all, your group spends almost no time in discussing the real inner world and the principles thereof. You think that just saying the word “inner” and catch phrases that mean little or nothing is exploring the inner.

Well, it isn’t.

Saying catch words and phrases like dimensions of the mind, cosmology of mind and being, hologram, quantum, higher soul self, allegory, Plato’s Cave, Kingdom of God within, spiritual DNA etc mean little if they are jus thrown out with no explanation of the principles. Just throwing out an uncommon vocabulary while not demonstrating any explanation of the principles involved is what is true astralism. DK would probably call this the astral glamour of superior knowledge.

What I introduce here for discussion has nothing to do with astralism. Instead, we concentrate on principles which are the true language of the soul – not the dead words of ancient scripture as you suppose. Instead of using inner centered vocabulary that really keeps one in the world without, we introduce principles that cause the seeker to go within and reflect to understand. True principles come from the higher worlds, intuitive and above, whereas fancy sounding data and nothing else is where the true astralism resides.

Allan:

Neither is the true Western Gnostic concerned with external astral realms, teachers, gurus and masters — when the Greatest Teacher and Source of Knowledge lies within their own Consciousness, Mind and Being.

While we as a group on occasion do discuss astral realms and external phenomena, the primary focus is on the pattern and reality of one’s own mind and being — often portrayed as the Cosmology of Mind.

JJ

The problem is that you say over and over that you and your group seek the teacher within, but you do nothing to demonstrate that you do this. Instead, you rely on quotes from outer authorities when you teach and it appears the only real way to go within to find the soul is to go to you (an outer authority) and be regressed and directed to the higher self. I can’t find any guidance on your site about making inner contact on your own and receiving knowledge from within except quoting scriptures like, “the kingdom of God is within.”

Even Fundamentalists are aware of that scripture and can use it s they see fit.

I do not insinuate that the group has to come to me to be regressed or go through some procedure with me to contact their souls – which, in reality would merely be a thoughtform. I give them helpful information that they can use to do this on their own. And this is where true soul contact is made – through the individual’s own efforts, not by some thing done by an outer authority.

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More on KRISIS

Ken:

Satan did not want to procreate, and this is why he rebelled and took 1/3 of the angels with him,

JJ

That teaching is not in the Bible. Where did you get it?

Ken:

His teaching of karma and reincarnation gives mankind the idea that they can continue with their sinful lives, die, and then live again, thus denying the Truth concerning how “the soul who sins shall die.”

JJ

To die is to merely be separated from your physical body and all of us who sin (error) will die again and again until we correct our errors then one can extend life in the physical body as long as desired.

Compare reincarnation to the unjust God you worship, which if you have the misfortune to have the wrong belief system, God will bring you back from the dead, put you to shame and then burn you into oblivion with the excruciatingly painful second death of fire.

That is making a loving God into a devil of the worst kind.

Ken:

How can the day of KRISIS be more tolerable for Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom, and not as tolerable for Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum, IF the day of KRISIS is all about reincarnating again to continually face KRISIS until you “get it right.?”

JJ

Quite easy. This merely means that the people of Tyre, Sidon, and Sodom will be born into more hellish conditions than those of Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum. Perhaps the first was sent to North Korea and the second was sent to Cuba, which is not as bad.

According to your belief both groups will be burned up in the second death so there will be no difference in their judgment, which runs contrary to the words of Jesus.

Ken:

And here we have Yeshua telling us again about KRISIS:

Mt 12:36-37

36 “But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of KRISIS.

37 “For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

This accounting for in the day of KRISIS, is this done many multiple times over many reincarnations? Is the justification and the condemnation which Yeshua speaks about, occurring separately, or do they occur together in the day of KRISIS?

JJ

As I said the modern word crisis comes from the Greek KRISIS and is very similar in meaning. If I talk about a day of crisis in my life am I saying that there will only be one crisis for an entire life or eternity? Of course not. That is plain silly. A life can have many days of crisis and our whole series of lives has many resurrections of KRISIS where we are judged and placed in different situations so we can be rewarded according to our works.

Ken:

Acts 17:30-31

30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, Elohim is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

This appointed day, is it the day of KRISIS, and can this day occur many times over the course of all people’s lives through many reincarnations, to give them opportunity to repent?

JJ

It appears that fixed day has already occurred:

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? John 9:39-40

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. John 12:31-32

It appears that the fixed day was the day he was crucified.

Even so, the world will be judged in numerous different ways in the future and several may have fixed days.

Ken:

Rom 2:5-8, 16

5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of Elohim,

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

16 on the day when, according to my gospel, Elohim will judge the secrets of men through Messiah Yeshua.

This day of wrath, when the righteous judgment of Elohim is revealed, is it multiple days throughout many lifetimes, or is it on ONE day where Elohim will judge the secrets of men?

JJ

We are judged one life at a time. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say there will only be one judgment and nothing else.

You emphasize this scripture:

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

According to your belief system this would be impossible. It would also be impossible without reincarnation. For instance, the scripture says:

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

There are many who have led into captivity and killed with the sword but who wound up dying peacefully in their sleep. So answer me this:

How would a person who killed with the sword, but died of a heart attack be able to fulfill this scripture and wind up getting killed with the sword?

The only way to do this is to be born again in the flesh.

Ken:

2Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Is this appearance before the judgment seat of Messiah ONLY for the wicked, or is it also for the good?

JJ

It is for both, of course and it shall be done by our own souls which are linked to the Christ.

Ken:

Oh, and look here:

1Jn 4:17 By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of KRISIS; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

Why would someone, with whom love is perfected, which you would believe to be achieving the “resurrection of life,” have need of any confidence on or in the day of KRISIS? I thought you teach that only those with whom it is needed to BECOME as He is, would be required to enter into KRISIS again and again, until they achieved that goal?

JJ

First of all the word “perfected” here is not a good translation. It comes from TELEIOO which does not translate correctly into the English perfected but completed would be closer. It should read:

By this, love is completed with us. That is not to say that they were in the same state of spiritual progression as Christ, but that they were offering the same love of God that he did.

Concerning those who follows him Jesus said, “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” John 10:9

When a man treads the path of return he ceases to go to hellish lives but will go in and out of incarnation and find pasture, or pleasant places to incarnate.

Understanding and giving out love is just one of the ingredients to escape the wheel of rebirth, but even when one reaches the Resurrection of Life he can still incarnate again if he wants to. The higher you go the more freedom you have.

Here is some additional information on KISIS

Many of the exact meanings of Biblical words from the Greek and Hebrew have been lost and over the past millennia and much guesswork has been involved in translation. This is why one verse will have dozens of different wordings in the various translations giving a number of variations of meaning.

This verse in John is no exception for it is rendered a number of different ways. Translators translate KRISIS here as “damnation” “judgment and “condemnation” in the various Bibles.

The most accepted translation of this word is “Decision.” This is verified by Strong’s Concordance, the most valued authority in Bible translation. Most Bible and Greek scholars agree with this.

The common translation for the word in Bibles is “judgment.”

It is interesting to note that “decision” and “judgment” are the first two key words in the Keys of Knowledge.

A word with a core meaning of decision is often translated as “judgment” because the two words are so closely linked. After all what is a judgment but a weighted decision?

The fact that the Greek word KRISIS evolved into the English “crisis” gives us some additional hints as to the original meaning.

My dictionary gives two interesting definitions of this word:

(1) A crucial or decisive point or situation; a turning point.

(2) A point in a story or drama when a conflict reaches its highest tension and must be resolved.

Now the interesting thing about the Biblical Greek and Hebrew words is this. Many of them cannot be accurately translated with a single English word. Many of these ancient words are very rich in meaning and would take a whole paragraph to describe. Unfortunately, when translating an entire script it is impossible to elaborate on the meaning of each word so usually just a single word must be picked. When KRISIS evolved into English a new word had to be created to project its meaning. This new word was not decision, judgment, damnation, condemnation or any of the words mentioned by translators, but the new word “crisis.”

Crisis is related to the orthodox meaning of decision and judgment, but with a twist. The twist is a point of tension, or turning point that will lead to an entirely new path, usually one of correction. I therefore gave what I consider to be the most correct meaning of the word as “decision which leads to correction.” If I had to reduce it to a word I would use the word “correction.”

The final test of a correct translation is to go to every place in the Bible where the word is used and see if the word or phrase fits on a consistent basis.

The Bible translators do not use judgment in every case because it doesn’t seem to fit consistently.

For one thing the judgments mentioned in the scripture occur before the resurrection. How then can we have a resurrection of judgment when those coming back to life are already judged?

Let us take a look at a couple places where KRISIS is translated as something other than “judgment” and see if the word “correction” seems to fit better.

First of all let us look at the scripture in question:

“The hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation (KRISIS).” John 5:28-29

There is no basis at all to use the word “damnation” but a resurrection that places you in a situation where you are forced to make decisions which leads to correction makes sense. “resurrection of correction” thus fits in well here.

Here’s another:

Standard

“And this is the condemnation (KRISIS), that the light is come into the world…” John 3:19

With “correction”

“And this is the correction (KRISIS), that the light is come into the world…”

Standard

“Ye serpents, Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation (KRISIS) of hell?” Matt 23:33

With “correction”

“Ye serpents, Ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the correction (KRISIS) of hell?”

In this context it is interesting that the hell that is our prison system are called “correctional” institutions.

We also find places where KRISIS is translated as “judgment” that it makes more sense to use “correction.”

For Instance:

Standard

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment (KRISIS).” Matt 12:36

With “correction”

“But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of correction (KRISIS).”

Standard

“But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment (KRISIS) and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” Luke 11:42

With “correction”

“But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over correction (KRISIS) and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”

Standard

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment (KRISIS) is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30

With “correction”

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my correction (KRISIS) is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30

Standard

“Now is the judgment (KRISIS) of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” John 12:31

With “correction”

“Now is the correction (KRISIS) of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

Standard

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (KRISIS).” Heb 9:27

With “correction”

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the correction (KRISIS).”

Standard

“Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment (KRISIS) upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly” Jude, Verses 14-15

With “correction”

“Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute correction (KRISIS) upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly”

Standard

“Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment (KRISIS) is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” Rev 14:7

With “correction”

“Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his correction (KRISIS) is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.”

As I said no single word does the job. Correction, judgment and decision all fit fairly consistently, but what fits best of all is the core meaning of the modern word crisis which evolved from KRISIS – which is basically “a decision or situation which brings correction” – or if the wrong decision is made, disaster.

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Latuwr

It is very clear to me from the Scriptures that some of us mortals were known beforehand. Consider Abraham:

Genesis 18:19

19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of YAHWEH, to do justice and judgment; that YAHWEH may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Please notice several important things right here:

* Abraham did command His Seed to follow in His Footsteps according to YAHWEH.

* Abraham would receive what was promised based upon the Seed following in the Footsteps of Abraham.

* Here is what Abraham did do:

Genesis 26:5

5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So, Abraham set the standard for anyone to arise and claim to be the Seed. It is evident that if anyone should desire to actually be Abraham’s Seed, then they must do as Abraham did do (please read John 8:39).

Here is a big problem for all those who believe in reincarnation. Exactly how many lifetimes did it take Abraham to become known of YAHWEH?

JJ Hundreds of them.

Latuwr

If indeed it took Abraham many lifetimes, then we must say that the knowledge of YAHWEH is actually incomplete and progressive based upon what Abraham must eventually accomplish.

JJ

Nonsense. It is based on God’s knowledge of our past, not our future. If you have a friend that has been reliable time and time again then you know you can trust him in the future. That is pretty simple.

Latuwr

If the deeds of Abraham are progressive, then the deeds of the Seed must also be progressive and, of course, it would take the Seed many lifetimes to follow the pattern set by Abraham if the Son is like unto the Father.

JJ

The seed of Abraham have already gone through many lifetimes and learned what is necessary to take the next steps required.

Latawr

If YAHWEH knows an individual, does not this knowledge require that YAHWEH also have knowledge of the individual beforehand.

JJ

And the reason God knows us beforehand is because we have incarnated many times and he knows our record from the Book o Life. That makes a lot more sense than him knowing us from some nebulous spirit existence before birth where we were not even tested.

Latawr

If YAHWEH actually knew Abraham beforehand, why did it take Abraham many lifetimes to completely obey YAHWEH if indeed Abraham was known by YAHWEH beforehand?

JJ

Why does it take anyone many steps of progress to obtain a skill or quality? Do you think Abraham was just born for no reason with spiritual and physical skills? Of course not. He developed then over numerous lifetimes.

Latawr

These are Scriptural Questions which are based upon what YAHWEH has said in HIS Word. I have found that reincarnationists do not like to answer Scriptural Questions. Like HaSatan, they do not like to expose their beliefs to the light of the Scriptures.

JJ

The light of the scriptures irrevocably prove reincarnation. Just read my two works, the Bible and Reincarnation and Eternal Lives.

Latawr:

Accordingly, I challenge reincarnationists to come to Lo Ammi and answer this specific question concerning Our Messiah Yahushua:

Exactly, how many incarnations were required for Messiah Yahushua to prove HIMSELF the Seed of Abraham?

Come now, Allan Cronshaw, come now, Joseph John Dewey, will you leave the safety of your own forums to defend your beliefs in a forum which advocates the Logos and Rhema of YAHWEH ELOHIM as the standard of truth?

JJ

That is not much of a challenge as you and Ken do not make much of an argument.

So far any evidence you and Ken present from the scriptures for one life is extremely weak.

And neither you or Ken answered my question as follows:

You emphasize this scripture:

6 who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

According to your belief system this would be impossible. It would also be impossible without reincarnation. For instance, the scripture says:

Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

There are many who have led into captivity and killed with the sword but who wound up dying peacefully in their sleep. So answer me this:

How would a person who killed with the sword, but died of a heart attack be able to fulfill this scripture and wind up getting killed with the sword?

It takes many lifetimes for Jesus or any of us to obtain liberation. You can’t even become a good spouse in one lifetime let alone proficient in all things necessary to satisfy the human spirit.

If you really want to do the works of Abraham you should go get several wives as he did.

The goal is not to be exactly like Abraham, but to commune with God, do great works and then move on to higher work beyond the physical plane.

 

May 25, 2015

Crystallization and Will

Ruth:

When one is “damned” and halted in their soul progression, then one cannot progress any further in that lifetime, and will have to wait until they reincarnate to correct their mistake/s. Yes?

JJ

When a pilgrim ceases to explore and learn in such a way that he is no longer headed in the direction of new realizations and seeing new vistas of light and knowledge his progression is said to be “damned”, or blocked for that life. DK uses the term “crystallization” and says that it affects about 90% of the population by the age of 53.

Now this doesn’t mean that the person will cease to do productive work or to learn within his sphere. Let us take a medical doctor, for example, who is 60 years old and crystallized. He practices orthodox medicine, reads his trade journals, treats his patients competently. What is the effect of crystallization on him?

It is this. Someone presents him with solid information on alternative cancer research and he automatically rejects it and shows no interest in testing it out of examining it with an open mind.

Another example would be an older musician. Maybe he wrote and performed some inspiring music in his younger years, but now can’t seem to write anything that brings back the old magic. He just plays his old hits over and over.

He is stuck and learning nothing new. Instead of branching out and stretching himself he relies on the tried and true to carry him through to the end if his days.

I thought it was great when Michael Jordan, often rated he best basketball player of all time, quit basketball to try his hand at baseball. I thought that was really great for someone so accomplished in one art to give a try at another.

Unfortunately, mastering a new sport was more difficult than he thought so he quit and went back on the easy path and played basketball again.

Now that he has retired let us hope that he is still considering some new goals that will challenge his ability.

People also crystallize in their belief systems. The person may be a member of an orthodox religion, a new ager, an ebonite, or even a student of the Bailey writings and have this problem.

Crystallization in belief is more difficult to prove because one who has not crystallized will not change his mind without good reason and is sometimes accused of stubbornness and crystallization. But he who has crystallized will not change his mind when the reasoning is good. In fact he will rarely examine the reasoning of other beliefs so he can truly understand them. Many will not read or study anything of substance outside of their comfort zone.

Ruth:

Did Wayne damn his soul progression, by not eating properly and then dying from heart disease?

In other words, he went against his soul, and catered to his lower desires to eat junk food etc? Or was he damned in his soul progression because he didn’t listen to your advice about eating right etc? Or was it a bit of both?

JJ

I don’t usually use the word “damned” in this context as it infers something much more drastic than a temporary slowing of progression.

In his first Saturn cycle of around 29 years Wayne had a very powerful will. I was amazed at how he could almost magically manifest anything he wanted through shear force of that will.

Now my talent in this life is to tap into Purpose and to bring it down to the physical plane. I believe that Wayne came into this life with a gift of Will to assist me in manifesting many of the things of which I write.

Unfortunately something happened along the way to thwart the plan. He married a lady he did not love and whenever a problem occurred instead of solving it with his wonderful will he started blaming everything that went wrong on her. After a few years he divorced her, but that did not end the blame game. When he could no longer blame his ex wife he started blaming “them” or the “system.” There always seemed to be some invisible hand out there that was causing him to fail. At one time he was on the road to untold riches and power, but as soon as he fell into the blaming trap he started to lose everything until he lost just about everything he owned.

About this time he told me of a dream he had of a beautiful bird that had immense power and freedom. Then something happened to it that turned it wretched and powerless. He asked me what it could mean

I told him the meaning was obvious and the bird was himself and that he had lost his beautiful power of will.

Anyway, despite his blockage he remained a good supportive friend for the rest of his life and I always valued our talks together. He was very intelligent and good hearted. I always wished he could have kept that beautiful bird alive and well.

It is not just one thing like diet that hold us back, but the whole package. The disciple must always examine all parts of his life so he can make maximum progress.

I am sure that Wayne is in deep contemplation in the Spirit world seeking to engineer a more productive life in the next attempt. I am confident we will meet again in the flesh as well as the spirit.

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The Synthesis Project

Dan writes:

What exactly IS “the project” again? If I understood correctly we were to “search out spiritual non dogmatic groups and their contact information” with whom we may be able to synthesize.

But if you have a way to “gather many hundreds of possible groups and influential people” then that is probably not necessary. (?)

So, where are we? What is needed to further develop “the project” at this point?

Then Blayne asks:

Did you elaborate on this and I missed it? I am interested also in helping. I am working on my project that might dove tail into this and help gather people who are looking for change and a better world etc…

JJ

First let me reference my original post on this so the details can be reviewed. You can read it HERE

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Keysters/conversations/topics/75293

The basic idea is to gather spiritual groups loosely together into one master web site where we can post the best of their writings, stories, blogs, events etc.

Right now there is no synthetic site for alternative thinking which would include alternative spiritual teachings as well as health and healing.

Perhaps the closest is at Spirit Web where old timers will remember used to be the home of the Keys, until they quit hosting group discussions.

Now they make available a large number of writings, but not much group interaction.

You can find Spirit Web HERE

http://www.spirit-web.org/

Perhaps the Huffington Post is the closest to what I have in mind. It started out as a fairly left leaning political site and branched out into many different divisions. It sold for a third of a billion dollars about ten years ago, but is probably worth much more today.

A Huffington Post link is HERE

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

The site I have in mind would be much more specialized but could still have a wide appeal. It could not only be a medium which would provide opportunity for spiritual people and groups to interact, but could provide opportunity for the teachings here to get a much wider exposure.

As far as help goes, yes we will need lots of help to get this going. I have ideas as to how to run down the needed groups, but it will take a lot of leg work. I’ll share them with those who participate.

As I contemplate this project I see it is bigger than I have time to head up myself. It will not only take a lot of time but also some financial investment. The investment could pay off well as if it is successful it could be a great source of advertising revenue.

What we need is for someone to sep forward who is willing to invest time and money to get this going. This person (or persons) would be the owner of the site and I would be a consultant.

This could be an important project, but I still have to reserve as much time as possible to continue writing and other projects. I can’t afford the risk of running myself too thin.

So… if someone takes this on it could not only be spiritually rewarding, but financially also, if done right.

If anyone is interested please let me know.

 

May 28, 2015

Using an Open Mind

Clay:

JJ your spiritual views and the views of this forum are too tied to politics and libertariansim. This forum seems to regard anything else as being “from the beast” so I am not really interested in debating on those principles. Also, Rand was a positive materialist, she rejected all notions of spirituality, mysticism and occultism, and thought all christian altruistic principles abhorrent. She thinks altruism is a mental illness, so anyone who subscribes to Rand and her principles, rejects every principle I think is worth working for in the world. You either work for Service to Self, or for Service to Others. Rand might have been an initiate, but it was of the Left Hand Path of Service to ones Self. Rands entire path is one of the elevation of the ego self to godhood.

JJ

After spending several months responding to you it now appears that you need any writer or teacher to agree with your mindset to a very high degree before you find anything of value. For you to like Bernie Sanders must mean that you agree with him politically on almost everything he says.

Just because a person doesn’t agree with you does not mean that they he little or nothing to say.

Yeah, I also spiritually disagree with Ayn Rand, but that certainly doesn’t mean she is on any left hand path or that all her ideas should be discounted. Many born againers have this approach, thinking that no atheist can say anything of value. This is entirely incorrect as many atheists and people of all belief systems can come up with great ideas.

Steve Jobs had a domineering personality like Rand, but that does not diminish his accomplishments with Apple.

Anyone who supports the principle of freedom for others has not yet taken the left hand path for those on the left hand path seek to take away freedom of choice of others to enhance their own. Of course, those who are on the left hand path will not admit this but when you examine their actual deeds their actions never increase the freedom of the whole.

I read your favorite author and disagreed with quite a few things, but also found some good things.

You read my favorite author and find nothing of value. You might ask yourself, “Is my vision clouded because of my preconceived notions?”

Both authors have heart and intelligence in my opinion.

Glad Sarah is reading the books. I was somewhat surprised by her view of Elizabeth in the book as a weak female, like a humble Mormon lady. I’ve never receive a negative comment on her before including from my wife that she is patterned after – and my wife has never had anything to do with the Mormon church. She is a strong lady not at all resembling the stereotype Mormon subservient wife.

Elizabeth’s weakness, seen by your wife, had to be placed there to make the story successfully move ahead.

Sometimes when you are watching a movie and you see the character doing something stupid you feel like shouting at the screen, thinking you would be a lot smarter than that. Maybe so, but when you examine the principles of writing and plot you can usually see why they had to make the character do what he did. Sometimes I think I could have written the story so the character didn’t have to do the dumb thing, but other times I have to admit there was no other way to make the story move successfully ahead.

On the other hand, I know from experience that both men and women are fully capable of high stupidity, so most readers or viewers accept dumb actions as entirely within the realm of possibility.

May 30, 2015

Human Weakness

Sarah (Clays wife) says that she would have thought for herself and rejected the doctor’s advice or the directive of the guru and wouldn’t have needed anyone to heal herself of MS.

Well, this is entirely possible and would make her one of the few who would take such a path, but let me give two examples of strong women I have known who followed the same path as Elizabeth.

The first one is known by many here on the Keys and this was Glenys. We all saw her as a strong female and she saw herself as such and often expressed his belief. I recall that she once told me she had difficulty in keeping a boyfriend because men were intimidated by her strength.

Then, as many remember, she got cancer. Since she was into the raw foods and natural diet, and all kinds of alternative things as well as being a proclaimed strong woman one would guess that working with orthodox medicine would have been her last choice.

Wrong. It was her first choice.

She gave me a lengthy explanation (almost apologetically) as to why she was going the orthodox route, but it didn’t make any sense to me except for one thing.

I think she was frightened by the diagnosis and intimidated by the doctors. And who can blame her? My sister died, not from cancer, but from the treatment because the doctors convinced her that the alternatives would just allow the cancer to kill her. I would imagine that Glenys felt a lot like my sister. When one is threatened by cancer, MS or some other deadly problem they often are scared into the orthodox route. This is the norm rather than the exception.

Unfortunately, both Glenys and my sister died shortly after taking radiation treatments.

The other comment on Elizabeth’s weakness was the willingness to get naked with Philo.

I got the idea for this story ingredient from a real life example related to me by my nephew, Curtis, who had a girlfriend who was indeed considered a strong woman. Now Curtis has a strong personality and has dominated every girlfriend he has had but this one. This one had her own business, made a lot more money than he did and he didn’t seem to dominate her at all. If anything, it was the other way around.

One day they attended a symposium given by this guru that Curtis wanted to check out. It seemed like a normal presentation until the guru started talking about the importance of freedom and told everyone to stand up. Everyone stood up. Then he ordered them all in firm language to take off all their clothes. Everyone kind of looked at each other, somewhat puzzled at first, but then he restated the order letting them know that he was serious.

Within a few seconds a few started to comply which seemed to create a chain reaction and then most, including Curtis, were completely in the buff. His girlfriend was the last of a couple hundred people attending to resist, but when she saw that everyone was naked except for her she thought, “what the hell” and then disrobed.

When Curtis told me this story I told him I was surprised that everyone complied, even his iron willed girlfriend. I wasn’t surprised he complied, as he does not embarrass easily. I then said that I would imagine that if someone had herpes or some embarrassing physical problem that they would not have complied.

He smiled and said that a lady close to him did have herpes, but that didn’t stop her.

This just shows the power that a thoughtform can have and many who think they can resist such a thing are surprised at their actions when placed in the right situation.

This is why Jesus told us to be careful how we judge. Many seekers do not know what they will do in a circumstance until they have been there.

 

May 31, 2015

Sending and Receiving

Clay:

You don’t think that the masters are also receiving Ruth.. We all both send and receive because we are all both feminine and masculine, we just differ in balance. also their is no relationship anywhere, that is all one way. This all or nothing thinking is not very synthetic.

JJ

You really need to read up on the teachings here because that is what I have been teaching from the beginning. That was why

Did Jesus’s Karma end? was so frustrated with your statement about the teachings here on male/females is that it was extremely far far off the mark. No one here believes that we are all (100%) either in the sending or receiving mode.

I think we all believe here that each of us have male and female energies within us and we need to balance them off, as one will always dominate more than the other. For instance, in relation to the people on the internet forums you are obviously more in the sending (male) mode more than Sarah and you send to others on a number of forums regularly while she reads and receives (female mode). That doesn’t mean that she doesn’t send (male) when she deems it appropriate – or that you do not receive (female). I would think that you need to hone in on your receiving (female) side though so you do not misrepresent what is posted here.

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Karma, Group and Individual

Jim:

Did Jesus’ Karma end?

JJ

No, it did not. To say karma ends is to say cause and effect ends and cause and effect is eternal. Jesus still has karma to work out in relation to the Jews, the Christian Church and to the world. He must come again to assist in balancing things out.

Kelly asks is karma affects us beyond our individual actions. Are we subject to family, group, racial and world karma?

The answer is a definite yes.

Let us start with the world itself. It is obvious to any thinking person that there are many effects that come to each individual from all the lives interacting in the world that have little to do with our individual karma.

If we had a nuclear war tomorrow and most of the population were destroyed there would be many innocent people affected whose karma didn’t really warrant such a disaster. But what happens to the world as a whole is not related to any individual karma, but the karma of life on earth as a whole entity.

The same ting goes with national karma. In the founding of the Unite States enough people stood up for freedom that a uniquely free country was created and enjoyed by many who were against the concept to begin with. The consciousness of the young nation as a whole determined the karma of the whole, not the minority who supported King George.

We can also see racial karma working out. It was mentioned that in early history that the Jews supported genocide, and then later suffered it themselves. The blacks suffered slavery and oppression, not many years ago, and now there are many trying to give them an extra helping hand to compensate.

Groups such as churches and various institutions also have collective karma. One of the groups we are most subject to karma are family and soul groups. These two are closely connected because there are usually several members of your soul group in your extended family.

You and your close associates who incarnate together over and over are a group cause and suffer or reap group effects.

Let us take Mitt Romney and his Dad, George, for example. They are in the same family and I believe the same soul group making them closely linked.

When George was running for President he was ahead in the polls and it looked like he was going to beat Nixon out of the nomination. Then he had his eyes opened about some of the problems of Vietnam and made the statement that he was previously “brainwashed” on the war.

The press and many powers that be attacked him as being brainwashed way beyond what was warranted and in a few days his ratings sank like nothing I have seen and Nixon glided on to the nomination.

I have always thought that his treatment was unjust and when Mitt ran for the president I assumed that George, from beyond the grave, would consider it a payback if his son could have the positive karma owed to him so Mitt could get the nomination. And it did turn out that Mitt did get the nomination, but apparently that is all the further the good karma took him. He was in his own when running as the nominee.

As far as individual karmas go, our soul guides us so we balance the scales of cause and effect, but all other lives and their karma has to be a part of that equation.

Then we come to the individual who is a god to his own universe of lives of several trillion cells and more. All the lives in your body are subject to your decisions which you make.

And what if we did blow the world up and you were one of the good guys who did not deserve such karma?

You would definitely see it as an inconvenience but if your karma warranted it you could transfer to another planet where conditions are better so you can indeed reap the good that you have sowed.

In the end balance is always achieved.

Be like the bird who, pausing in her flight awhile on boughs too slight, feels them give way beneath her, and yet sings, knowing she has wings.

Victor Hugo

 

June 2, 2015

More on Female Masters

Ruth Writes:

That is why I am interested in how Masters of Wisdom could be female “Masters”, when DK says this:

“As DK says, the mind is the “plane whereon the masters can be found.”

JJ

Because the masters can be found on the plane of the mind does not mean that it is not accessible or used by others. The plane of higher mind overlaps into accessible consciousness of all intelligent life forms in this solar system and is the point of contact in common for lives from human up to the Solar Logos.

This would definitely include the Lords of Compassion. Even though they are polarized female and the female energy of emotion and intuition is their line of least resistance they also have access to mind, a male polarized plane.

The bottom line is that a Master of Wisdom could continue in a female body, if that is what he decides to do for some purpose, and a Lord of Compassion could be in a male body if that is what he wants.

Now keep in mind we are referring to masters as taught in the Bailey teachings. These are beings who have mastered the wisdom aspect and have obtained power over death to the extent that they can extend their lives in a physical body as long as is desired or needed. Others may merely call various teachers masters which may indicate a different mastery than someone like DK, KH or Jesus.

The sex of the bodies of those higher than the human kingdom are not itemized anywhere as I would guess it is not important for us to know and may just be a distraction if we did know.

It is interesting that DK calls all those he works with, whether in male or female bodies, his “brothers.” He has always referred to Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey as brothers, for instance. Apparently brotherhood is an association principle that encompasses both physical sexes.

Then we have this strange scripture from the Gospel of Thomas which was brought up recently:

Simon Peter said to them, “Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.” Jesus said, “Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.”

JJ

I doubt that this statement reflects the actual words of Jesus as it even contradicts his previous words in the same book:

(He says you enter the kingdom of God) when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female…

That last statement would have been more accurate if it had said something like:

For every female who makes herself male and every male who makes himself female will enter the kingdom of Heaven so long as he follows the voice of the God Within.”

The male energy is sending and the female receiving and we must master both sending and receiving to enter the kingdom.

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How many fundamentalist sites do you know of that believes mankind was placed under sin on purpose (by Elohim) with no way out from under that slavery, except through the redemption found in Messiah.

JJ
The Mormons and a number of others believe this. What is your point?

Ken

With that being said, can I ask you a question? What is the catalyst that redeems you from your former way of life, when you lived as a slave to sin (assuming you have repented from that former way of life, the “old man”?

JJ

The Greek from which the word “sin” was translated in the New Testament comes from HAMARTIA which is derived from HAMARTANO which means “to miss the mark.” In other words, when the Greeks 2000 years ago shot at a target with an arrow and missed they “sinned” (HAMARTANO) or missed the target. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon tells us that the Greeks also used it to mean “an error in understanding.”

People largely miss the mark because they listen to outer authorities above the voice of God which speaks within. This misplaced attention is indeed the cause of most of the error or sins of mankind.

A sin I used to be subject to was the error that the Bible was to be followed no matter what. Then additional light came and I realized that the scriptures were a tool of the beast to control people – that the only thing we can trust is the voice of the God within.

So in answer to your question it was the light of the Spirit of God that freed me from the old man who had the scriptures for his personal beast. May you seek the same freedom.

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And why should one bow down to the masters you designate any more than the Eck Master in Eckankar? They didn’t ask me for money when I visited them but just wanted me to blindly accept that I needed their living master to escape the wheel of rebirth. I felt absolutely no need to accept someone as some living master that knew less than I did.

Scientology also operates on this similar extreme devotion idea.

From what I have read in the book you referenced it sounds like seekers are not to be inspired by a teacher, but controlled and dominated by him to the point of even worshiping the dust kicked up by his feet. The writer mentions the kingdom within but insists that we need a master without to hold our hand to get there.

We are supposed to light candles but not by making others into groveling to beastly control. After receiving inspiration from a teacher one has to work out his spiritual progression on his own.

As to my connections or status – there is no need for me to say as my words testify of where I am as do yours and every other seeker.

Here are DK’s actual words on devotion:

I have told you much; yet at the same time I have told you nothing which would lead you to offer me that blind obedience and the foolish devotion which the emotional aspirant offers to the Guru and Master Whom he is as yet unable to contact. Nor will he make that desired contact until he has transmuted emotional devotion into unselfish service to humanity not to the Master.

This was deemed an important statement for it is in the introduction to all his books.

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Living Masters

Jim:

If you know more then all Living Masters, then you must be one?

JJ

You need to argue with what I say, not with what I do not say. I did not say that I know more than all living masters. I said I know more than the self proclaimed living Eck master. That doesn’t mean that I am a master but it would indicate that he is not one.

All real living masters know lots of things I do not. Among them are DK, KH, Jesus, Rakoczi and Morya.

Who is the living master you recommend?

Jim:

I have never bowed down to any one. But I have my Eyes Wide Open to receive all Spiritual Teachings I can use to assist me to advance closer towards the Spirit Who liberates souls from further Reincarnations.

No one I know “bows down” to Living Masters of the time. You must keep in mind that many of the Quotes come from what Teachers hundreds of years ago taught illiterate seekers.

JJ

From the book you suggested it sounds like you are supposed to bow down or completely submit without question. If this isn’t true why recommend the book? Tell me if these quotes represent your thinking.

The seekers who submit themselves to the Guru and associate with him, are initiated into the Sound by the Guru, and He also directs inwardly their meditation and other spiritual practices. He who follows the Guru’s directions and succeeds in his inner discipline, is released from the cycle of birth and rebirth.

Let it be known to all, ascetics, holy men and others, and let it be proclaimed by drum-beat, that Bliss can be achieved only by the grace of a Perfect Master, for it is He who helps you to rend the veil so that you hear the Sound. A single word from the Master, held firmly in the heart, suffices.

And hold thou just to Guru’s Nam, This wealth alone shalt thou retain. … Steadfast in surrender to Satguru (the guru) be, Tirelessly in this task engage.

Developing love for the Master and listening to His discourses constitutes your own work. As you rise above worldly temptations and lie in complete surrender at His feet, you become free from all sins and weaknesses that impair. Spiritual wealth may be accumulated in two ways. First: by toiling hard at meditation; second: by a complete and unconditional surrender to the Master.

Jim:

Why do you see any Teacher out side of Alice Bailey and D.K. teachings as spiritual competitors, JJ?

JJ

That does not represent my thinking at all. Where do you get such an idea? You recommended a 1000 page book by John Davidson and I read the whole thing and found some good things in it. How much of the Bailey Material have you read?

Jim:

All Spiritual Teachers have both good and bad points in their Teachings. If a seeker is certain that his/her own Inner Master is connected to his Consciousness, then they don’t need any Masters, living or dead.

If any Teaching does not get a hook in you, then, by all means, reject it. That’s what I do.

JJ

We agree on these points. Despite some disagreements I respect your thinking and enjoy most of your posts. I’m sure you know many things I do not, but as far as what is needed for my spiritual progression and the work I need to do, I am the world’s greatest expert.

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Jim:

How do you really KNOW you know more then Harold Klemp, the Eck Master?

JJ

As far as useful spiritual information goes I haven’t seen anything useful come from the various living Eck Masters. Paul Twitchell, who started the movement, was the smartest of the bunch, probably had some spiritual experiences when he was younger but seemed to be overcome with glamour as he moved ahead to form a movement.

JJ:

All real living masters know lots of things I do not. Among them are DK, KH, Jesus, Rakoczi and Morya.

Jim:

Aren’t those Masters all dead, or not present in physical bodies?

JJ

You say you own all the Alice A. Bailey books, but must have never been a student or you would know that most the Masters of Wisdom live in current physical bodies. DK is about 300 years old and he is one of the younger masters. Both HPB and Alice A. Bailey tell of experiences where they met the Masters in the flesh.

Jim:

I have already said who initiated me and who accepted me as their Disciple. But they both have passed on. So, as far as I know, I might as well recommend you ask Allan Chronshaw to be your living Master…

JJ

It sounds like you have nothing for us since your living master is dead. Since you believe we need a living one and have none to recommend I guess we are out of luck, from your vantage point.

Jim:

…With stipulations that the unconditional surrender is to the Master within, at least, is what my Master, Charan Singh implied. Since the Inner Master leads, then we are always below Him, or at his feet, not above him, at his head. Its just a word play, JJ. Some type of words must be used to try and describe the technique. Plus, the words have to be in an understandable language to the Disciple.

JJ

From what I read it sounds like you are just supposed to mindlessly trust the master without and then you will be lead to bliss and become free from the wheel of rebirth and led to the kingdom within. The opposite is true. You must verify from within first and if what is without agrees with the spirit within then you can trust. If you just trust a proclaimed master without just because he claims to be a master you are likely to wind up seeking the mother ship for a ride on the Hale Bopp comet.

Jim:

But, the Sant Mat Eastern Teachings hooked me as soon as I read my first Sant Most Book, “the Path if The Masters” by Dr. Julian Johnson. That Book has been mentioned here a few times, and has been read by a few other Keysters, I believe? Why don’t you invite those who have read that Book to offer their critique of it, and if it had ant effect on their consciousness after they read it?

JJ

Fine with me. I’m always open to new teachings and additional light. I just downloaded a copy and will take a look.

Most of the group are happy to examine any new teachings or ideas. Some have come here and tried to force feed us the same thing over and over and that generates complaints.

What I see lacking so far in the teachings you recommend is the seeking of confirmation within of what is taught by a teacher without. If that which is without is trusted first, before inner confirmation is received the student will be subject to illusion through the allure of the many false teachers and masters that are out there seeking recognition.

Teachers, living or dead can be useful, but the weight of responsibility of moving ahead is upon us who are in physical incarnation. Escaping the wheel of rebirth is meaningless if one has not mastered what is here for us. We never escape rebirth completely as we move onward to eternal lives on eternal worlds, worlds and universes without end.

There is a linkage which I call the Molecular Order, to which all true Masters and Higher Lives are associated, through which the spiritual life of God in the universe flows, but the inner voice leads to finding it,

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Allan:

You are encouraging the members of your forum to come to the Nazirene Disciple forums to argue with us. There is no point in this, because we have absolutely nothing in common.

JJ

You take things too literally. I was just talking with allegorical humor. Look for the allegory in things and lighten up. I doubt if anyone here wants to challenge your group.

Allan:

To the people who frequent your forum, I am an idiot.

JJ

I do not think that anyone here thinks you are an idiot. I think that most of us see you as a fairly brainsmart guy who has taken a wrong turn, kind of like the Brown Brothers.

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Question from Reader

Masturbation is not the big sin that the Mormon church makes it out to

1. Unfortunately,it is used as a source of guilt and control which

is much worse than masturbation itself.

Sexual sharing in a loving relationship blends energies and is very

spiritual, but done alone there is a vacancy of that complimenting

energy and that produces that feeling that something is missing or

wrong. If you want to focus on the spiritual then it is best to keep

masturbation to a minimum, but if the need drives one to distraction

then doing it in moderation would not be a problem if one does not

feel guilt.

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Jim:

Allan stated you were among those Founders of America who helped form our Government. Is he correct, and if so, how does he know? Were you and he there working together then, as you work together now?

JJ

It was revealed to me that I was there and I would guess that Allan was there also. I couldn’t vouch for him being Thomas Paine though as there is no evidence of Paine receiving his idea of soul birth as he ate meat and drank wine. His wife Flo says she was there with him as a witness to his accomplishments, but his first wife, Mary Lambert, who died after two years of marriage in 1761, was said to have been the love of his life. If this was Flo then she couldn’t have been a living witness his writing of the Declaration of Independence as Allan claims was written by himself as Paine.

Now his second wife was Elizabeth, but he separated from her in June of 1774 so she obviously wasn’t a witness to Paine writing the 1776 Declaration and besides he and Flo are supposed to be soul-birthed soul mates not subject to divorce in recent lifetimes.

When Flo said she was there as a witness to Paine writing the Declaration of Independence I asked her who she was and she did not answer.

Now Jefferson took credit and was given credit for writing the Declaration. He was so sure he wrote it he requested this to be written on his tombstone:

HERE WAS BURIED

THOMAS JEFFERSON

AUTHOR OF THE

DECLARATION

OF

AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE

Sounds to me that Jefferson thought he penned the great document.

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Allan:

Nowhere is there any claim that Thomas Paine achieved soul-birth. Neither was Mary Lambert the last woman in Paine’s life. When the British was hunting him down, do you think his associations were made public so they could get at him through these associations?

JJ

This is the first time I’ve heard you say that you have had lives since James that didn’t achieve soul birth. So that means that Thomas Paine was a failed soul image. Poor guy.

Historians say that Elizabeth Olive (his second wife), who he parted company with in 1774, was his last known romantic relationship. If he had another who witnessed him write the Declaration of Independence then he completely ignored her and sent what little extra funds he had to Elizabeth and not to her. After the Declaration was proclaimed he traveled and lived in England and France for about 20 years with no female at his side. Since there is no historical evidence that Paine had a soulmate like Flo then it would be interesting to hear past life recollections from either you or her about who this mysterious female is.

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Jim:

Interesting, JJ! When you were revealed that you were there, was it as an Observer, or did you recognize specifically who you were at that time?

JJ

I was shown who I was but I make it a policy that I do not talk about my past lives. First, I could be one of the many who give out incorrect past lives and second it opens a door that can lead to glamour and illusion.

Jim:

And why do you accept Allan was there, if he was not Thomas Paine? If not Paine, who? (if he was there at all, which I doubt. Unless you have a specific verification? )

JJ

I do not have an undeniable revelation on this but do have several impressions – which I usually find to be reliable.

I think that Allan’s attention focused on Thomas Paine after he read some theory that he wrote the Declaration of Independence. Those were such powerful and praiseworthy words that Jefferson wanted credit for writing them on his tombstone. If Allan as the brother of Jesus wrote the original Jesus story, the most powerful writing of all time then why not take credit for the second most powerful – the Declaration?

Here is what does not compute. If he wrote the two greatest documents of all time in two separate lifetimes then why has he written nothing that is widely quoted today? Even his own inner circle of readers do not quote him that much.

He would be more believable if he just said he was the brother of Jesus and wrote the book of James. He is intelligent enough to have written that. I’m not saying he did write it but he is capable of writing of that quality.

Allan is big on personal freedom, one of the few things we do agree on, and he feels he was there and respects the Founding Fathers. I sense he did live in that era. The information we do know for sure does not verify that he was Thomas Paine.

Jim

Does your years and age match up, JJ, from deaths to births to present that would verify you could have been there with Allan?

JJ

If I understand you correctly the answer would be yes.

Jim

Also, you mentioned wanting to compare Graphology from Allan and Payne’s Hand Writing. Where you ever able to get samples and do so? This is interesting, important stuff! If You have NOT done it yet, than hopefully, Allan will voluntarily submit a current sample of his hand writing, and we then could search for a sample of Thomas Payne’s hand writing., if it matches, then Flo would be the Loose Cannon false witness.

JJ

I believe that I did volunteer to analyze his handwriting but did not get a reply or sample. It would be interesting to compare the two for I do have samples of Paine’s handwriting. Handwriting often changes with character from life to life and within a single life, but some things remain the same. The key ingredient is intelligence, for it rarely diminishes from life to life unless there is some brain damage. By comparing samples of handwriting I can often rule out the possibility that the two are not the same person. If they are close I can give probabilities that they are the same.

Sometimes I find correspondences that give significant proof. Here is an interesting one I found between HPB and JFK. I’d give it around an 85% probability that JFK was a reincarnation of HPB.

LINK

 

 

June 7, 2015

Tough Love

You will now serve for the sake of selfless love alone because the need is out there and you sense the need.” JJ

Question:

If one’s family or siblings just take advantage of you, and use you for your money and expect you to do everything for them, is this still selfless love and service to be treated as a Bank and a Slave?

JJ

First of all it was great to see Jim give you heartfelt advice. I thought his words were well worth considering.

There are two types of service as well as two types of love. I have written quite a bit about spiritual love from the heart and the lower aspect from the solar plexus. The lower energy seeks to attach because the other fulfills desire or need. The question is not what you can do for them, but what they can do for you.

The higher aspect, or spiritual love, asks the question, “What can I do for others that will generate higher quality of life?” True unselfish service is involved in spiritual love.

There are also two aspects of service. The lower form serves because the entity feels forced to serve or perform because of force or circumstances. The service may not even be bringing about a good end, but the person feels impelled to work tirelessly in a lone and dreary world with few if any rewards.

This service often does more harm than good and enables the one served to continue on in his flawed environment without progressing or moving onward. Both the servant and the one served are slaves.

The word “service” in the quote you mention refers to the higher aspect. This higher form of service fulfills true and real need and helps the other person move forward in his progression and happiness. The true servant sees a real need and then seeks to fill it.

Ruth

Eg. I have done everything for my kids, given them everything, they take and take and treat me like crap.

So am I being loving and selfless in service by letting them treat me like this for so long, with no respect and no thanks etc,? I find it hard to distinguish between Love and selfless service, and just being used up as a Mum.

JJ

Overall, parents generally wind up doing much more for the kids than the kids do for the parents. That is the contract we take on as parents when we take the responsibility of bringing them into this world. It is an act of true service to nurture a child and provide the necessities into adulthood and self reliance.

On the other hand, if you do too much of what they can do for themselves you may be performing an act of disservice. Remember the story of the guy who assisted the butterfly in escaping from the cocoon and wound up killing it because it needed the strength of the struggle to obtain the means to survive.

Children are not the only ones who may demand service that is enabling but friends and associates can also and these must sometimes be treated like children.

I do not know all your circumstances and have not sat down and heard both sides of your problems so I’ll just give several circumstances and tell you how I would deal with them.

Your 21 year old daughter separates from her husband and wants to crash with you a while till she figures out what to do. She has no job.

Now almost all parents would let their kid stay for them for a period of time with no demands made. Maybe after a couple weeks she’ll either get a job or go back to her husband. Let us call this period of settling the “grace period.”

Then after the grace period is over problems often occur. After a while the kid settles in as if that is her new home and she is the boss of it. She starts complaining about the quality of food, toilet paper, cable, and specifics that should meet her needs.

Now what do you do? You love her and don’t want to throw her out on the streets.

When it dawns on you that this is just not a short term crash situation, action needs to be taken. You sit her down for a serious talk that should go something like this.

“Look, you know I love you and want what is best for you, but you are a grown woman now and if you are going to stay here you are going to be treated like an adult.

First, this is my house and I make the rules. You can make suggestions but I am the decision maker here and if you are going to stay here you will need to abide by the rules I make. Is that clear?

Secondly, since you do not have a job and cannot pay rent then you have to work off your share of the rent. Here is a list of what I expect to be done on a regular basis. Does this sound fair to you?

Thirdly she must look for a job.

So, what if she does not agree?

Then tough love is required. You must respond with something like this.

“I’m willing to help you out in the time of need, but you must return that help. If not then I must ask you to leave. So, you have a decision to make. Stay here with a roof over your head and do a few chores or go live in a homeless center. Which will it be?

Normally, she will agree to do the chores.

On top of this there are numerous impositions caused by friends or family staying with you “for a few days.”

(1) They may get into your stash of adult beverages without permission.

(2) They may eat more than their share of food.

(3) They may bring a lover to stay a while.

(4) They may run up your utility bills.

(5) They may expect you to take them out to dinner and pay.

(6) They may not only not help you but create messes which demand more work on your part.

The prime solution for all these is to be extremely careful as to who you allow to say with you to begin with. A few hurt feelings in the beginning is a lot better than seething resentment later on.

But if problems persist you must put your foot down and demand they abide by your rules and if they do not then they cannot stay. Mean what you say and be prepared to kick them out if necessary. When they know you are serious they will generally improve their behavior.

Ruth:

I know that your wife turned your kids against you in the past, therefore did you try to be loving and selfless towards them for the rest of your life?

JJ

The main thing with relationships is to harbor no grievance and I do harbor none toward my ex wife or my kids. I love all my kids and will always do what I can to help them on their path, but if they were to make unreasonable demands or impositions I would do my best to not be an enabler.

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Ruth:

Although the Great Renunciation is probably a lot more than just being attached to people and things etc.?

If you were going through the fourth initiation, would you have to give up the molecule and your teachings?

JJ

When it is accomplished the sacrifice will be seen as one that makes sense although it may not at the time. When the sacrifice comes you will be given instructions by a Higher Life and there will be no doubt as to what you need to do or what you are going through. This is not a part of the dark night as the disciple clearly sees what has to be done. The loneliness factor has already been surmounted as well as illusion, glamour and wrong emotional reaction.

 

June 8, 2015

The Handwriting Factor

Jim:

Why don’t you (Allan) privately email JJ a sample of your hand writing, so he can do the Graphology Analysis of you and Payne’s hand writing?

JJ

Allan says he doesn’t think this is a valid way to check past lives, but it can give some strong circumstantial evidence. You can’t prove a past life with absolute certainty by comparing the writing from the two lives, but in many cases one can rule out that they are the same person.

Unless an entity is suffering some brain damage his intelligence will generally advance forward from one life to another so the intelligence factor is the first thing I look at. If there is a wide gap in intelligence and thinking process then that pretty much rules out the two are the same entity.

It is tricky to try and prove two are the same because character and handwriting not only changes from life to life, but within a life. My handwriting has made significant changes from my younger years for example.

Yet if one were to find two handwritings that are the same it would be evidence like finding two fingerprints that are the same. Because people change from life to life we cannot expect an exact match, even if the two are from the same soul, but if we find significant similarities then this can provide strong evidence.

It takes a trained eye to spot all the evidence in two samples as many who are not familiar with handwriting analysis will say something like, “You can’t analyze me because my handwriting changes from time to time.”

I may then ask then for samples that illustrate this change. After looking at it I will usually respond that only about 1% of the handwriting has changed and that is generally elements of the slant. Other times it is the speed or the size of the overall letters.

If your mood changes your hand writing will reflect that mood, but even with a changed mood you are still you and there is very little overall change in the handwriting.

In college one time I received a card with a nice note and it was signed, “by a secret admirer.” The writer did everything possible to disguise her handwriting. She wrote very slowly and above a ruler and then filled in he lower zone. This gave the handwriting the effect of being precisionly straight from left to right. I didn’t have a clue as to who it was as I didn’t know any of the coeds admired me at the time. Furthermore, The University of Idaho in the Sixties had about 3-4 guys to one female so males generally had to get in line to ask any female out on a date.

Anyway I was extremely curious as to who this was. I guessed there was a good chance she was LDS since I was a member at that time. A friend of mine was in charge of the records of the college kids and had signatures of just about all the college members, which were several hundred. I asked him if I could take a look at them and he agreed.

Now a signature isn’t a lot to go on because it is often quite different from the rest of the writing. Fortunately, it was enough. I found enough elements that corresponded to the note that made me 99% sure that I had found a match.

Now what is interesting is that I had never dated this girl or had any significant interaction with her so she wasn’t someone I would have suspected if I didn’t have the handwriting match.

Anyway, a couple days later I met her at a church dance and asked to dance. There were slow dances in those days where you could talk and I looked at her and said, “By the way, thanks for he nice note you sent.”

She turned white and just about passed out. She was a cute blond girl and I do not recall why I did not follow up on that enticing beginning.

Anyway, back to Allan. Even if he doesn’t want his writing to be compared to Thomas Paine I have to give him credit for being an interesting character and it would be fun to see what makes him tick. If he is willing to send me a sample of his writing I would certainly make some comments – and I would go by the handwriting analysis, not my bias. I always try and emphasize the good and go easy on the negative.

Again, here is the link to my analysis linking HPB to JFK.

If you haven’t looked it over yet be sure and click on the link below..

LINK

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Past Lives and History

I can tell that it is fun sport for you to throw some unwanted light and questions on Allan’s proclamations. I think you must be an agent of karma for him. I have to admit the interplay is amusing to watch.

As far as Thomas Paine goes, unlike James the Brother of Jesus, we have a lot of detailed history, actual handwriting, many known historical writings and know what he looked like.

Since Allan claims to remember past lives in detail this would be his chance to offer the world real proof of reincarnation.

The trouble is that the few supposedly historical events he has offered about Paine does not square with the actual history.

He maintains that he as Paine wrote the Declaration of Independence.

The problem with the Declaration is this. The wording is so eloquent and profound that numerous skeptics in history have sought to take Jefferson down a notch by either claiming he did not write it or plagiarized it. As they have analyzed it line by line, surprise, they have found that all of the lines in it have been stated before by someone somewhere, just worded differently. Not only has Paine been portrayed as the real author, but others have also.

George Mason’s draft of the Virginia Declaration of Rights is one source cited which reads:

That all men are born equally free and independant, and have certain inherent natural rights, of which they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity, among which are the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

Yes, this is a similar thought to the beginning of the Declaration, but far less eloquent than Jefferson. Few writings in history present entirely new ideas. Originality of ideas is not what makes the Declaration so unique. What makes it special is how Jefferson took the thinking of the gathered enlightened souls and put the words together in such an inspiring manner.

Jefferson said this:

Neither aiming at originality of principle or sentiment, nor yet copied from any particular and previous writing, it was intended to be an expression of the American mind, and to give to that expression the proper tone and spirit called for by the occasion. All its authority rests then on the harmonizing sentiments of the day, whether expressed in conversation, letters, printed essays, or in the elementary books of public right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, etc.

Letter to Henry Lee, May 8, 1825

So it is indeed provable that Jefferson had many of the words of Paine, Mason, Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney and others in his memory banks. Nothing unexpected here and this does not take away from the credit that is due him. Any one of the Founders could have written something that would have presented the basic ideas of the group. That wasn’t what was needed. What was needed was a document with the words put together in such a way as to rouse the spirit of man to greater heights. This was why Jefferson was selected for the task, and he indeed performed up to expectations.

Now if Allan thinks that he, as Paine, really wrote the document, he should give us details as to how Jefferson got his hands on this secret writing and took credit for it. And if Jefferson did steal the document from Paine then why did Paine never complain? Why did he not want credit for the writing on his deathbed?

You would think that as a noble soul, such as Jefferson, was nearing death and preparing to meet his Maker that he would shun taking credit for a plagiarized document. The fact that he wanted to take credit for it on his tombstone adds great credibility that he was telling the truth about writing it.

The second problem with what Allan and Flo have stated about Paine was that they were together in that life and Flo was a witness at that time to Paine writing the Declaration.

This problem with this, as I have stated, is his first wife, Mary Lambert, died after after two years of marriage in 1761, was said to have been the love of his life. If this was Flo then she couldn’t have been a living witness his writing of the Declaration of Independence 15 years later as Allan claims was written by himself as Paine.

Now his second wife was Elizabeth, but he separated from her in June of 1774 so she obviously wasn’t a witness to Paine writing the 1776 Declaration. There is no historical evidence of any close romantic relationship had by Pain from 1774 to his death.

If Allan really was Paine then you would think he would gladly tell us who Flo was in that life and supply us with some details that do not run contrary to verified history.

The third problem with Allan’s claims is that he puts himself forth as not only the writer of the Declaration and Paine’s writings, but the original Gospel which is a piece if allegorical fiction written with such greatness that it has fooled the world for thousands of years.

Where is the evidence that he has the talent to write such timeless and profound documents in his current life?

If one is going to proclaim himself as living great past lives it is much safer to claim to be someone whose verified record has been lost to history, such as Enoch, Hercules or Moses.

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Allan:

Because both JJ and his lawyer Clay claim that there is nothing new and unique in my writings, and that I merely copy and plagiarize other authors and put my name on their thinking.

JJ

If you represent your soul with the same accuracy as the rest of us then that alone would indicate a lot of error in your teachings.

I never said there was nothing new in your teachings. I have said that your view on reincarnation where some do and some don’t is fairly unique.

I never said you copy and plagiarize. I think just about everything you write represents your own thoughts and wording. Most of it has been said before in different wording but that does not mean you have plagiarized. It is hard to find any teaching out there that is totally new. When the seeker finds some new things he should pay attention and seek to verify them through his soul, just as he should with the old ones.

 

June 9, 2015

Where is the Depth?

I have been hesitant to respond to Allan’s repetitive posts because if I write one line he sends back five pages, not of new material, but recycled old stuff we have read many times.

Now in these last several posts he again recycles a thought that he has tried to force upon us many times. This time I thought I would comment in the hope that he will either present something new or move on to something that would be of interest to the group (dream on JJ).

Here is his thinking that he has tried to force feed us, as well as insult us with, dozens of times. Rather than quote thousands of his confusing words let me summarize his attack on us. It goes something like this:

You Keysters and basically all of humanity that are not part of my inner circle of a dozen or so, are bottom feeders taking in only “entry-level milk.” JJ, DK and others you respect have no more light to offer than Billy Graham or some other fundamentalist promoter.

Jesus taught that there were certain doctrines that were too deep to be handled by the unwashed and you, the Keys group are a part of that kindergarten bunch. You, and especially your teacher, JJ, are totally unprepared and unable to see the glorious hidden inner teachings.

And where are these teachings to be found?

Allan: “Right here with me and my inner core who receive my blessing.

“I am in contact with my soul and you are not. None of you have a clue as to what the soul is about.

“I have the inner teachings and you do not.

“I can cause others to contact their soul with hypnosis, but if you use hypnosis it will not work because I have the magic touch and know what to plant in their minds.

“Without me, as your personal beast you will never achieve soul birth and will roam the abyss for eternity as a failed soul image. If you know what is good for you then you will abandon all other teachers, quit reading books as I have, and listen and obey only me and what your soul says as long it agrees with me. If it does not have my approval then you had no contact with your soul.”

There we have in a nutshell what Allan has been trying to tell us in 100,000 words or so.

I think it is about time someone called you on this misled idea you have that you have the real higher cream teachings whereas the rest of us are just at the introductory level because we do not mindlessly, and with no reason, follow you and accept every word you say.

Where are these higher teachings of which you speak? It can’t be in anything you have written, or that is on your many sites, your forum or from your forum members. There is no cream to be found anywhere you have been pointing.

Allan responds, “But, but I have many deep teachings not understood by you guys. For instance I teach about the key of knowledge as contacting your inner teacher, the inner God or Logos.”

Sorry Allan. Most teachers east and west teach some version of this. Most in the east teach about the inner teacher and even many Christians speak of learning from the Holy Spirit within, which is the same as saying leaning from the inner Logos. What else you got?

Allan: “I teach that we must contact the soul and achieve soul birth.”

Well, Allan, you may consider this a deep teaching beyond the reach of us, but we have taught that here many times. We call the first stage soul contact and the second soul infusion. This is not considered a deep doctrine by esoteric students, but very basic. What else you got?

Allan: This world is not the true reality. We are like images in Plato’s cave who do not see the higher and more real world.”

Where have you been Allan? This is basic milk type doctrine for all the eastern religions and even Christians. They often quote Paul as saying:

“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.” I Cor 13:12

Anything else?

Allan: “The use of male and female as a whole to achieve balance.”

Allan, my friend, that is something I have taught as a basic teaching for many years. Now give us an example of something deep, that is beyond our grasp.

Allan: “I teach about the twelve spheres of mind that are ingredients of the Tree of Life, not the mere ten as others do.”

But what do you teach about them other than saying there are twelve spheres? You might as well say there are a hundred if all you have is a catch phrase.

Surely you have something deep for us.

Allan: “Here is something beyond your understanding. I teach that he scriptures are not literal history but allegory designed to teach us the mysteries.”

Lots of people think the scriptures are not true history but allegory.

Allan: “Yes, but I see deeper meaning than they do, the real meaning.”

Can you give us an example?

Allan: “No you have to find the meaning for yourself.”

And I’ve already found the allegory, so does this mean I am no longer entry level.

Allan: “No. You do not see the true allegory.”

And that must be the allegory as you see it so I must have to read your mind to see it correctly.

One more time. Anything else?

Allan: You must go on a vegetarian diet to become a pure vessel.”

Sorry to disappoint you Allan, but billions of people think a vegetarian diet is essential.

I give up Allan. You say you have all these great hidden deep teachings but all you have is surface introductory stuff that is quite simplistic.

Unless you can give some evidence that you are far beyond us in your spiritual understanding please refrain from telling us that we are the ones at the entry level. If you want something beyond entry level here is a sample giving keys to liberation:

“When communion is established, words are forthwith used, and mantric law assumes its rightful place, provided that the One communicates the words and the three remain in silence.

“When response is recognized as emanating from the three, the One, in silence, listens. The roles are changed. A three-fold word issues from out the triple form. A turning round is caused. The eyes no longer look upon the world of form; they turn within, focus the light, and see, revealed, an inner world of being. With this the Manas stills itself, for eyes and mind are one.

“The heart no longer beats in tune with low desire, nor wastes its love upon the things that group and hide the Real. It beats with rhythm new; it pours its love upon the Real, and Maya fades away. Kama and heart are close allied; love and desire form one whole – one seen at night, the other in the light of day….

“When fire and love and mind submit themselves, sounding the three-fold word, there comes response.

“The One enunciates a word which drowns the triple sound. God speaks. A quivering and a shaking in the form responds. The new stands forth, a man remade; the form rebuilt; the house prepared. The fires unite, and great the light that shines: the three merge with the One and through the blaze a four-fold fire is seen.”

Treatise on White Magic, Pages 75-76

Let us see if Allan can produce something of similar depth in just a couple hundred words (not thousands). If not the please refrain from insulting us as beginners while you are the one with the great knowledge.

When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.

But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Luke 14:8-11

 

June 11, 2015

Tuning In

Jim:

Now we went and done it! Allan has not gone silent. He is consulting Ra and his Core Allanites and he has decided to unleash Karmic Retribution to Piss Ants!

JJ

Actually, my soul tunes me in to Allan now and then and the connection has been strong the past couple days. He is an old soul and since his Higher Self has a significant investment in him the hope is that he will direct his energies toward good ends geared to his talents.

I’ve considered responding to him several times over the past few days, but each time my soul told me to not confront him. Finally, after a period of contemplation I came up with a message approved by my soul. This was post #75826 and since it was sanctioned by my soul I figured it would have an impact. After I sent it and he read it I felt a strong reaction coming from him. It was a mixture of strong emotions. He sincerely thinks he has a salvation that we desperately need and at first saw this as a disappointing final rejection of all the work he has done to bring us enlightenment. He sees my lack of acceptance as particularly disappointing since he believes we have worked together productively in the past.

It is indeed interesting to look through the eyes of another for we generally see that each person is just innocently doing his best in his own eyes and Allan has indeed been doing his darndest to accomplish his mission as he sees it.

So what does the soul do when it’s lower self is doing its best in its own eyes, yet trapped in an illusion that keeps it from moving forward into real productive work?

The answer is that it looks for every avenue possible to send a wake up message. So this last post I made to him was not repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result, but was a message from my soul to his.

He first saw it as an a disappointing attack that disturbed him and made him feel like writing me off completely,. But then he felt a link with me that he could not ignore. He would like to but there is something about me or the teachings that he cannot just put a lid on and bury.

The real message for Allan is to feel the love and light from the highest part of his soul where we meet as brothers and merge with it. He is supposed to see me as a coworker, friend and brother, not as a poor wretched one that he has to save. Each of us must save ourselves, with a little help from our friends and our own souls.

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Ruth

When you say that the “individual” incarnates, are you referring to the individual “soul” of that personality? When the soul incarnates and leaves the Oversoul, then this creates an individual soul?

JJ

Even though our souls are all connected to a greater oversoul our souls are distinct and individual. When we incarnate the soul reflects itself and endows the incarnating ego with a portion of itself.

 

June 12, 2015

Guilt and Self-Condemnation

I received this question from a reader:

My husband and I have are having an ongoing discussion about the role of guilt. He is currently of the mindset that guilt has at least some beneficial effect in helping us recognize when we have made an error, correct it and then move forward. He has read a number of your articles related to the negative aspects of guilt but still is having a hard time seeing how once we take the voice of God from within as our ultimate guide, that guilt has served its purpose and is no longer needed. I’ve shared the idea that the voice of God within uses light and an increase of awareness to correct us rather than guilt. He wonders if there is any beneficial place for guilt if we do not allow it to hinder us from moving forward? Is it the same as having our conscience pricked? Is the main distinction between using guilt to correct and using light to correct the idea that guilt tends to be condemning while light is positive and leaves a hopeful outlook for our progression?

JJ

It helps that you have read some of my writings on this subject. Even so, I can understand your husband’s concern as we have all been brought up to believe that guilt is God’s way of revealing to us that we have sinned and those who do not feel guilt are pretty much devoid of the Spirit. A scripture of concern by many is from Paul speaking of those who are seduced by devils:

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; I Tim 4:1-2

After reading this, one may think, “Wow, if I have to have my conscience seared with a hot iron to be free from guilt, forget about it.”

What must be understood is this. Conscience and guilt are two different things. Conscience is derived from the light of the inner Christ and gives us a sense of right and wrong. This is indeed something we do not want seared with a hot iron.

One can receive guidance from his conscience without suffering any guilt. In fact, one can bypass conscience and suffer guilt merely because of the way his brain is programmed. If a person is programmed to think it is a sin to eat peas then he could suffer guilt if he eats them.

On the other hand, his true conscience will not make him feel condemned for eating them.

Now if a true seeker were to hurt the feelings of an innocent child his conscience would indeed be activated and cause the person to try and be more sensitive,

The word “sin” in the New Testament comes from the Greek word HAMARTANO which means “to miss the mark.” In other words, when the Greeks, 2000 years ago, shot at a target with an arrow and missed they “sinned” (HAMARTANO) or missed the target. Another way to phrase this would be to say that to sin is to make an error in aim or judgment.

When you consider this idea it is kind of silly to feel guilt over making a mistake. This is like an archer, after he misses he bulls-eye, to condemn himself to such a degree that he feels unworthy to take another shot. Maybe he slaps himself around for a month before he tries again. If he took such an approach he would never become a champion.

Instead, after taking the shot he analyzes his performance and assesses what he can do to improve. This corresponds to the true conscience. It tells us what we need to do to improve. Self condemnation through guilt just slows down real progress because the pilgrim just doesn’t feel worthy to move ahead with his full strength.

Unfortunately, one cannot get rid of guilt by reading an article, though writings such as mine can set one in the right direction.

Guilt is caused by going contrary to a source of the supposed voice of God from outside of oneself. If an authority outside of oneself is accepted as speaking for God and he tells you that God does not want you to eat peas, then you will feel guilty if you eat them.

The only way to free oneself from guilt is to release yourself from leaning on outside authorities for what is supposed to be the will of God. When the seeker makes the shift from finding the final voice of God within, rather than without, then guilt will just evaporate like the dew with the morning sun.

Now many people who really believe that they rely on the voice within rather than without have not really freed themselves. Going by the inner voice only when it meets the approval of an outer voice is not enough. The inner voice must be your most potent and final authority.

If the inner voice tells you something is right or wrong then that is what the seeker must follow no matter what any prophet, priest or guru says. If he does not do this he will be subject to guilt. And if one still suffers from the self-condemnation of guilt this is a sign that he has not released himself from outer authorities speaking as the voice of God to them.

To find that release is easier said than done. My writings on the Beast should be helpful on this. Dan compiled an impressive list of links on this subject. Here is a link to his links:

 

 

June 13, 2015

Prison Planet

The group has been talking about this earth on which we incarnate as a prison planet. Actually I used this term in my book The Lost Key of the Buddha, but the reference there was focused on an earlier part of our history where conditions were much more intolerable than today. In our early history the threat from wild beasts made life insecure for much of humanity. In addition, we had to worry about being attacked, tortured and even eaten by neighboring tribes. Just surviving was a full time job. Relative to many past parts of our history, we have it pretty good today.

Whether or not one feels a prisoner is a matter of relativity. Before we began our journey away from the Oneness of our Source we had a freedom beyond the imagination. Then as we took the steps to journey through the spheres until we arrived at the physical plane we took upon ourselves limitation after limitation. Even the soul has limitations. So here on earth or any other earth on the physical plane entities endure tremendous limitations.

Yet we chose of our own free will to take upon ourselves limitation after limitation until we arrived here.

Why did we do this?

Are we supposed to deal with the limitations here or focus on escape? After all, many have caught a glimpse of the higher realities and after such a glimpse are completely unsatisfied in staying here and place all their attention on going home.

Questions:

Why did we agree to the limitations here to begin with?

Are there lessons to learn from limited conditions that cannot be learned in higher spheres?

Where should we place our main focus – on mastering the situation in which we find ourselves or escaping this reality?

Do we need a master or savior to move forward?

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June 14, 2015

Flaws and Greatness

Duke brought up some interesting questions and received some good comments from Ruth and Joshua. I’ll add a few things.

Duke:

Very educational, thanks JJ. My guess is that, while those of us who have a long ways to go can benefit from DK’s advice here, the people he is speaking most directly to are probably no more than a handful out of each generation. Perhaps to a certain extent the same handful over and over again.

JJ

Though he says that some of the things he writes will only be understood by initiates there are important truths in his writings for everyone willing to plow through them and take in what is available.

Many give up reading DK because it is difficult reading at first. There are two things you can do if you want to get hooked on the writings.

(1) Make a commitment to read 1000 pages.

(2) As you read along look up the meaning of the words you do not know and write them down.

After the 1000 pages (or less) you will be hooked.

Now make sure you read the books transmitted by DK. Alice A. Bailey wrote several books on her own that just do not have the same wisdom. White Magic is a good DK book to start with and all the books can be downloaded free from the web.

Duke

So in light of the injunction to “live a life which is an example to others”, does that mean that “budding initiates” with such things as, bankruptcy, divorce, a criminal record, or other such public failures in their present lifetime thus have limited potential until the next go-round?

JJ

All of us have flaws. The scriptures do not even say that Jesus was perfect for such are mistranslations. They merely said he fulfilled the job he came here to do and that is what each of us needs to do, despite being prone to making mistakes.

The biggest threat to not completing one’s life’s mission is self-condemnation and a feeling of unworthiness or inadequacy. When we make a mistake, instead of condemning ourselves, we must learn to take it in stride, chalk it up to experience and move ever onward toward the goal.

Duke:

How about a situation where an initiate undertakes something which is pretty much the opposite of exemplary, as with Joseph Smith taking multiple wives (whether those marriages were consummated or not)? And what of his apparently lying about it? I’ve been trying for years to wrap my head around Joseph Smith and this plurality of wives thing, and personally feel like DK may be speaking to future Joseph Smiths here.

JJ

There is a lot of mystery behind Joseph Smith, polygamy and other occurrences. To this day the Reorganized LDS (now Community of Christ) claims that Polygamy was invented by Brigham Young and Joseph did not practice it. It is also interesting that though many have claimed to be descended from Joseph’s extra wives that DNA testing has not been able to verify even one descended beyond his first wife. Even so, the evidence is pretty overwhelming that he did practice it.

The story given by several witnesses says that he was reluctant to take extra wives and he was met one day by an angel with a drawn sword who commanded him to practice polygamy or he would be slain and replaced.

Now by all accounts Joseph was honest under normal circumstances. But if we put ourselves in his shoes and consider that he felt that is was something he had to do or else, then the temptation to lie to cover up to save his life or the church would be great.

Whatever the case, outright lying, is wrong, plain and simple. Even when it seems justified it is a sign that the person has inadequately engineered his life so the truth could always be told.

Joseph and others did great works despite their flaws. Washington and Jefferson owned slaves, yet paved the way for the freedom of the human spirit that eliminated slavery.

It is interesting that many of the great souls in our history seemed to also have great flaws and did questionable acts that your friendly neighbor wouldn’t consider.

Why is this?

Part of the reason is this. An advanced soul gives himself a lot of latitude in thinking and acting and sees many out of the box alternatives that go over the head of others. He is also more passionate than most and therefore is confronted with many strong temptations to deviate from the path of harmlessness.

Advanced or not, negative tendencies must be controlled and the disciple must eventually direct his whole self to the greater good while living a life that is an example to his brothers and sisters who may look up to him for inspiration.

 

June 16, 2015

God’s Golden Rule

As I have taught many times the Beast represents unearned outside authority that replaces the voice of God that speaks to us within. In other words, it represents some Voice-Of-God-Wannabe that says to us. “Listen to me and obey because I know what God wants you to know and what you are supposed to do.”

The Beast is clever in that his representatives do not offend the masses by directly telling them, “I am God; therefore, listen to me and obey.”

Instead, this is the message they convey:

“I know what God wants you to know and do. Therefore, you must listen to me and obey or you will suffer devastating wrath.”

So, what gives this impersonator the nerve to think that he can tell us what to do as God’s true voice? There are a number of tricks he uses to convince those who are not guided by the true voice such as:

(1) I received a revelation from God (or some link with God) and this is what he wants you to know and do.

(2) I’ve studied the word of God in the scriptures and this is what he says you need to do and think.

(3) Because I am an authority in God’s Church or organization I represent the Voice of God. When I speak to you it is as binding as if God were here speaking to you.

One common theme among these impersonators is this: “If you don’t listen to me you’ll be sorry.”

And why would we be sorry?

The representative of the Beast insists that if you do not listen and obey you will offend God. The troubling thing for the one with the mark of the beast is that he fears God has all power and if displeased can deny him heaven, rewards and send him to hell on a whim – or even extinguish him into non existence. The scary thing is that these effects are said to last for all eternity. All eternity is at stake so the motivation to obey the Beast for a short life here is strong indeed.

A great advantage of escaping the Mark of the Beast is that the seeker who is free sees that this is the most horrific illusion that has ever entered into the mind of the human race. Once it is truly seen the disciple has pity on those with the mark, for because of fear their progression is as slow as a glacier. They are frozen with fear like the two guys in the Parable of Decision.

Keep in mind that there are thousands of representatives of the Beast. Because a person rejects some does not mean he is free of he mark. If he accepts just one out of those thousands as representing the voice of God then he has the mark.

To escape the mark requires great courage, as his Dweller on the Threshold ever dangles before his consciousness the fear of eternal punishment for stepping out of line.

One step that the seeker can take is to switch his faith from a wrathful God who is offended by small insignificant things to a God who is a loving parent wanting what is best for his children.

After all, that is the God of whom Jesus spoke.

Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Matt 7:9-11

This scripture, if taken to heart by the seeker, will destroy the power of the Beast.

If a child of God asks for eternal life, would a God who knows how to give better gifts than your earthly parents give you eternal punishment or death?

Would this loving Father of Jesus condemn you to eternal hell, because you sincerely embraced a belief system containing errors?

Would your earthly mom and dad do this? Then why would God, who is much better than them?

A wise earthly father would not condemn his child but try and guide him out of his error.

Even so, will your heavenly parent do the same and more.

Does the child of physical parents depend on his brothers and sisters, neighbors, friends or local authorities to discover the will of his parents?

No.

Instead, he goes directly to the parent to receive instructions he needs.

Even so, all of us must shed the Mark of the Beast and go directly to God within and receive the instructions we need. If this agrees with some other outer worker then cooperation could be a good thing.

BUT…

If the voice of the outer worker is not in harmony then do not cooperate and do all that is possible to reveal the true light which was manifest within your own soul.

When quoting this scripture the concluding words following is often left out. Here they are:

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matt 7:12

We often think this scripture just refers to us humans, but Jesus was talking about, not only of the relationship of mortal parents to children, but God to his children.

In other words, God treats us as he would like to be treated himself.

Do you think that if God made an honest mistake he would want to be attacked and sent to eternal hell?

Of course not.

In other words, the treatment we can expect from God will be based on the golden rule.

Would you send your child to hell for a few mistaken beliefs?

Neither would God. It is his golden rule.

June 20, 2015

The Symbolism of the Tabernacle

Ken asks another question and I must praise him for honing down his post to dealing with one scripture and item instead of hitting us with so much material that it would take a book to cover.

Ken:

Shalom All, it appears that I should try to have a little fun in addressing the “Law of Correspondences” concerning “The Holy Place.” What does The Holy Place “correspond” to? Doesn’t the writer of Hebrews state that The Holy Place (The Outer Tent/Tabernacle) corresponds to this Present Age or Time:

Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle prepared, the outer one, in which were the lampstand and the table and the sacred bread; this is called the holy place.

Heb 9:8-9

8 The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holiest place (The Holy of Holies) has not yet been disclosed while the outer tabernacle (The Holy Place) is still standing,

9 which is a symbol (symbolic-corresponds to) for the present time (age)…

What do the rest of you say? Do you agree or disagree with the writer of Hebrews on this correspondence? Is The Holy Place a correspondence or symbolic of this Present Time/Age? Or is the writer of Hebrews wrong in this Law of Correspondence?

JJ

First it must be pointed out that there is a difference between the Law of Correspondences and symbolism. To teach with symbolism is to merely substitute one thing for another so word pictures can be presented to the reader’s mind in the hope that an idea may be understood more clearly or with greater meaning or feeling.

The fact that a writer teaches with symbols presents no proof that the teaching is true. A lot of poetry that is mere creative expression, but reveals no real inner truth, may use a lot of symbolism.

The Law of Correspondences may use some symbolism, but not all symbolism is harmonious with the Law of Correspondences.

To use the Law of Correspondences one must first take a thing he knows to be true and then correspond it to something related or similar to it. He then takes the thing that seems to correspond and looks at the unknown parts. Using hints from the known he can often intuitively surmise the truth about the unknown.

To understand this visualize a wave of water in the present time. We can look at or even photograph the wave and this gets us a clear picture of exactly what the attributes of the wave is. What we do not know is what the wave was like ten seconds ago or what it will be ten seconds in the future. Even though we cannot see what the wave was like in the past or the future we can use the Law of Correspondences and get a pretty good idea.

We can see what a wave of water is like, but what would a wave be like if it was made of oil, molten lava or even air? Even if we have not seen such things we could get a pretty clear picture by using the Law of Correspondences.

Niels Bohr produced the first credible model of he atom by using the Law of Correspondences . He looked at the larger macrocosm and saw that this solar system had a central sun and was orbited by planets with a much lower density. He figured then that atoms may have a dense central core with electrons orbiting around it.

We can look at known history and then project into the future corresponding the unknown with the known to obtain hints as to what is to come.

On the other hand, one can take an entirely false idea and teach it in symbols. Teaching in symbols does not turn that which is false into that which is true. If the idea was false to begin with then it will still be false in symbolic language, no matter how cleverly expressed.

Now let us get to Ken’s question. He quotes Hebrews where the author is talking about the Tabernacle of Moses and its symbolism in relation to the sacrifice of Christ. The outer part of he Tabernacle was called the Holy Place and the inner was the Holy of Holies which contained the Arc of the Covenant.

There has been much written about the symbolic meaning of the various components of he Tabernacle, but Ken wants to know if the outer part corresponds to the current age.

Before I answer let us look at an accurate translation from the Concordant version:

8 by this the holy spirit making it evident that the way of the holy places is not as yet manifest while the front tabernacle still has a standing:

9 which is a parable for the present period, according to which both approach presents and sacrifices are being offered, which can not make the one offering divine service perfect as to the conscience,

So the outer court was a symbol applicable for not our age but that time of Christ when animals were still being sacrificed.

The fact that there is an outer and inner parts of the path as we journey to the sacred feet of the Lord is indeed true and we can use this truth in connection to the Law of Correspondences to discover much useful symbolism.

There is not just one way to interpret the meaning of he Tabernacle but numerous ones that correspond to known truths could be useful.

As we journey home to God we do indeed pass through an outer court where we endure much blood, sacrifice and even have the fruits of our labors burned to ashes as happens to the red heifer. Finally we realize that we must complete the journey alone, just as the high priest must enter the Holy of Holies alone where dwells the Divine Presence and Arc of the Covenant where the true laws of God are written and can be revealed to the brave souls who complete the journey.

June 21, 2015

Health Tips

Since we have been discussing health I thought I would relate several things I have added to my health regimen that has been a benefit.

I started paying attention to preserving good health from my first year of college at about age 19. Until then, my main problem was that I kept having this feeling that I was about to fade away or pass out. Now I know that it was because my blood sugar was affected by all the sugar I consumed.

I chanced on a book in the library about diet and health and it strongly recommended that we not eat refined sugar and white or processed bread. I switched to honey for a sweetener and to whole grain bread and within two weeks I noticed a big difference. That feeling like I was about to pass out never came back and as a side effect a heart murmur I had just went away.

Since then I have been able to maintain good health by eating as many live foods as possible and use good pure water energized by the sun. I do eat meat but always try and select meat that has been sustainably and humanly raised.

There are five things I have added lately that have helped my health.

(1) Do small amounts of intense exercise several times a day. I have discovered that it is better to spread your exercise out in small increments rather than a lot at a time with large intervals between.

(2) Eat a large bulb of raw garlic every day. After you run it through a garlic press let it sit for 5-15 minutes and this triggers an enzyme reaction that boosts the healthy compounds in garlic, the best of which is Alicin which is created by crushing the garlic. Since I have been eating this I haven’t had a cold, flu or even any mild problem.

You don’t want to just eat it alone but sprinkle it on some food or eat it with cheese and crackers and this diffuses the powerful taste.

Google “garlic health benefits.”

(3) Fast 16 hours a day. I confine my eating to around an eight hour period. This helped me lose some weight and increased sense of well being.

(4) Reduced calorie eating two days a week. The theory is that this produces similar results to fasting without as much sacrifice. This helps with weight loss and helps the body to stay healthy.

(5) Get 20 or more minutes of sun daily wearing a swimsuit for maximum exposure. I got out of the habit of doing this but now getting back into it. The sun really helps your immune system and energizes you.

These are a few things I have added recently. Maybe they’ll help someone here.

***

Removal of Karma?

Jim:

Do you believe Jesus had the Authority to forgive sin? If not, was he lying to the Prostitute when He told her that her sins were forgiven and to go out and sin no more?

JJ

The scripture says the woman was caught in adultery, not that she was a prostitute, and secondly he did not tell her that her sins were forgiven. He merely told her that he did not condemn her, which thing I would have said myself if I had been in that situation and I have no power to nullify another person’s karma.

Secondly, sin and karma are two entirely different things. One can have lots of karma but have no sin connected with it.

The word “sin’ in the New Testament comes from HAMARTIA which is derived from HAMARTANO which means “to miss the mark,” or merely to make a mistake or be in error. When Jesus told someone that their sins were forgiven he was merely telling them that the error that created their disease was corrected. That error was the mindset that created guilt, which guilt often programs the mind to create disease to punish us. When the words of Jesus relieved the person of the error of guilt he told then that their sins were forgiven. In other words, the error creating the guilt which created the disease was removed. This had nothing to do with removing karma.

Notice that Jesus said, “your sins are forgiven.” He did not say, “I forgive your sins.” He was merely acknowledging that their errors were rectified within their own souls and being.

The Masters are brethren like ourselves and it is not their job to enable us, save us or cause us to be dependent on them. They are there to guide us and assist us after we have done all we can, and even then their job is to shed light while the disciples take the actual steps. If they take away the karma of one and not another then the justice and fairness of God is nullified.

The Masters are molecularly linked up to the spiritual flow that links them all together with the greater lives in the universe and seek to bring that link to humanity, but even this does not nullify karma.

A cause can only be nullified by letting the effects play out. The best we can do is manage the effects with additional causes that neutralize them. An airplane can fly because it creates additional causes that neutralizes gravity. We do not make gravity go away.

Jesus was the mediator in the fact that he entered the higher realms and paved the way. We enter by accessing the mediator, or Christ within, who takes away all guilt.

As far as karma goes we figure out how to handle that between lifetimes and plan each new life around the creation of new causes that will balance off the slate for us as well as learn new lessons.

***

Ken:

It is interesting that you teach that The Holy Place is a “parable” for the time of animal sacrifice.

JJ

I am not saying that. I merely quoted the writer of Hebrews who said it “is a parable for the present period, according to which both approach presents and sacrifices are being offered.”

Ken:

So are you indicating or teaching that before the Messiah could enter the Most Holy Place (Heaven Itself-Heb 9:24), that He had to first perform animal sacrifice?

JJ

Haven’t thought about it to indicate it or not, but now you bring it up it is obvious that Jesus incarnated during the period of animal sacrifice so he taught in the midst of the symbolic outer court of animal sacrifice. He also sacrificed his animal nature while he was here.

Ken:

1. In Exo 40:34 we are told that a “cloud” covered the Tent of Meeting (The Holy Place), and the GLORY of Yahweh filled it. If your teaching is correct about The Holy Place (a “parable” for the time of animal sacrifice), how can the Glory of Yahweh fill the time of animal sacrifice?

JJ

These scriptures shouldn’t need additional elaboration. The outer court in the age of Jesus was filled with the Glory of God.

Matt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with

Acts one accord in one place.

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Ken:

But on the other hand, IF The Holy Place is a “parable” for This Present Age, cannot we “see” how the Glory of Elohim/Yahweh can fill it (Num 14:21, Hab 2:14-what are the “waters” that cover the sea-isn’t it MAN)?

JJ

This age was the future age 2000 years ago and it says it was referring to the present at that time, not the future.

Even so, the glory of God will manifest in this Aquarian Age even more than it did in the Age of Pisces as indicated by Jim.

Ken:

2. Can you explain why NO MAN could be in the Tent of Meeting (The Holy Place) WHEN the High Priest went INTO the Holy of Holies to make Atonement (Lev 16:17)?

JJ

According to the account the Israelites were terrified of the glory of God and even demanded that Moses wear a covering because of its intensity around him. If God were to manifest in glory when the High Priest entered the Holy of Holies then they feared they would be consumed if they were in the outer court. The best bet was to stay a safe distance away.

***

Karma and Illusion

Jim:

Jesus was quoted to have said,….”I and the Father are one. ” Was he lying? He didn’t say he was a piece, or cell, or Neuron of the Father. In other words, the drop is not the Ocean, nor the Ocean complete with out the drop. So, The Master Jesus took the karma from every Disciple he initiated by proving to them that not only He, but none of them had ever left The Father, because He, and they, ( as soon as they were initiated ) resumed Awareness that they had never left The Father, or drops never left the Ocean, because they are ONE ! Only their Awareness of leaving their Father had changed, as they were hypnotized by Kal, Brahma, Satan, all Creations of The Father. So, Living Masters who convince seekers they never left their Father, and are still ONE with Him, and their karma is His,……..than obviously, ……….karma is Maya, or illusion, that only exists in our minds, which are Agents of Universal Mind, (Kal) , all Creations,…..but still ALWAYS ONE with The Creator Father.

I imagine the above is a difficult mouthful to swallow, but Metaphysically, all Paths eventually lead to this conclusion of The ONE, no matter how long it takes to regain Awareness that all matter is impermanent, there fore, no karma ever existed!

JJ

I’m familiar with this argument and it doesn’t make any sense. First you say that we need a master to take away our karma and next you say that there is no karma. If there is no real karma then we have absolutely no need for some master to take away that which does not exist. He could not take away what is not there and if there is nothing there then there is nothing to be concerned with. It would make no difference whether we follow the path of selfishness or love. Even illusion is something and has cause and effect and produces experience, whether it be in illusion or reality.

Yes, the higher part of ourselves, the monad, is one with God, but it has projected itself down to these lower worlds to have experience. Even if you were to tap into this higher part of yourself or commune with a master, or master wanna-be, in meditation this does not discount karma. You Jim, no matter what you have experienced in meditation, have returned to your body and have to deal with causes and effects with your wife. If you slap her around and the resulting karma is that she decides to leave you then no master in the universe will undue the negative karma and force her stay with you.’

You Jim, as you exist in this physical plane are subject to the karma of the physical plane and not even Jesus can alter it.

If you go swimming and kill someone while in the water you cannot say when out of the water that the event did not happen and will have no effect just because you are no longer wet or in the water. Even so, all the meditation of higher worlds will not change the effect you had on your wife while in this world.

Residual karma even follows us from creation to creation. Many of our present circumstances on this world are the result of karma from the previous earth and solar system that occupied this part of divine space.

We did not come here just to escape. That would be a silly purpose. We came here to experience, to learn and to grow in capacity to love and manifest intelligence and joy.

***

Conall

My comments were not so much that one should fear making a mistake, but rather be mindful of this fact, in all facets. Jim mentioned that is bush was an initiate to some degree,why was he causing so much harm. I’m merely stating that no matter how far one travels, they are capable of harm in their sphere.

JJ

Yes Conall, just because one is an initiate of some degree does not mean all they do is correct. Hitler was a second degree initiate and was a vegetarian to help him control his emotional body, but took a wildly wrong turn to the left and was caught up in destructive illusion which is dispelled by the third initiation which he did not reach. It is most likely that he is now stuck in the left hand path.

Bush, another initiate of the second degree also made mistakes but follows his soul to the best of his ability and is continuing to this day toward the path toward liberation.

 

June 22, 2015

Looking at the Whole

Jim:

You are supposedly an Intuitive, JJ. Walk through the American Grave site in Normandy, as I have, and sense what revelations you receive there. Or, spend an afternoon walking through Arlington Cemetery in Arlington, Virginia and stand over the graves of JFK and his brother, Robert, and see if you feel any of the kind of Patriotism you think you possess. Maybe you have walked Arlington? If so, how did it make you feel? I have toured many Grave Yards. I especially like touring the American Civil War grave Yards, such as the one in Charlottesville, VA. and Gettysburg, PA. I am certain, there are still spirits of dead Soldiers hovering over their buried bodies who still don’t know their dead!

JJ

In any war or conflict there are mistakes made on both sides and tales of sorrow on both sides. You can’t judge whether or not the whole was good or bad by looking at isolated individual ingredients, but have to look at that whole.

As a whole, it was indeed worth the sacrifice to defeat Hitler and prevent the rule of the planned 1000 year Reich.

As a whole, it was worth the sacrifice of the Civil War to secure the Union and abolish slavery.

As a whole, the Revolutionary War was worth it to establish an oasis of freedom in the world which influenced many other nations in a positive way.

Yes, I know you can list dozens of things the USA has done wrong while blissfully ignoring the good and benefits you now receive from the sacrifices of previous wars.

June 24, 2015

Conall:

Not that I agree with the path of the masters, but it recommends following a teacher for an up words of two years, studying him and verifying if he fits the bill. While I disagree with the assertion you need a master, I don’t think it advocates blind obedience.

JJ

In the chapter, “Why Surrender to a Master?” he says: “complete surrender to the Master is the only avenue or path to complete liberation” and compares that to a patient who must trust a surgeon who is about to operate on him. The only difference is that he does not supply criteria as to how to test a teacher as to whether he is a master or charlatan so total trust could take one down a path of destruction. We only trust a surgeon that supplies us with evidence that e knows what he is doing and even then I would rely on my judgment as to whether I would use him.

The problem is that a real master doesn’t want total trust in him, but wants the student to only trust his words if he receives confirmation through the soul.

Even the Bible says to “Prove all things” I Thess 5:21

And the Master DK says this of his own teachings:

“If the statements meet with eventual corroboration, or are deemed true under the test of the Law of Correspondences, then that is well and good. But should this not be so, let not the student accept what is said.”

There are some good things in the book but the advocation of placing your trust and salvation in an outside source rather than inside is a big turn off for me for I have taught here many times that this is how the mark of the beast is received.

***

This guy makes absolutely no sense and contradicts himself. He says that “I am a drop of consciousness in the ocean of total consciousness, but I have never left the ocean.”

Then in the next sentence he contradicts himself and says he did leave after all. He says:

And what did I leave? I left only the awareness of being the ocean.”

So what was that “I” whose awareness left God or the ocean? Something left the awareness and has to return to it yet he maintains that no part of him left.

Does not compute. He says “ I have never left the ocean.“ If this is completely true then what is in the body doing the writing here on the earth? Who is it that sees himself as away from the ocean?

The truth is that our point of origin is in oneness with God, but this intelligence has reflected itself into the lower worlds and the awareness that we have here is separated by veils of illusion.

Is it just a huge screwup by God that we are here or seem to be here enduring limitations or is it part of a plan fitting in with the will and true awareness of God?

It makes no sense that God would make the mistake of tricking himself into believing that he is many dumb unaware parts whose only purpose is to wake up.

God can crate any type of separation he wants, but this does not mean he is not God or that he does not have a plan.

And as I said concerning Karma.

You Jim, no matter what you have experienced in meditation, have returned to your body and have to deal with causes and effects with your wife. If you slap her around and the resulting karma is that she decides to leave you then no master in the universe will undue the negative karma and force her stay with you.’

How could this Karma be removed when no power in heaven and earth will change her mind? How can some master negate this karmic effect against you?

It cannot.

 

June 26, 2015

The Spiritual Flow

There are a number of teachings out there telling us that we need some type of living master to obtain the highest salvation. And what is that highest salvation? Generally it goes something like this.

We have been trapped in the cycle of rebirth for many ages and we have just incarnated over and over making little progress. What we need to do is escape the wheel of rebirth and to do this we need to latch on to a living master who has this special power to escape himself and take us with him. If we are lucky enough to find such a person and lucky enough to be liked and chosen by him then he will take us under his wing and make sure we escape to the higher blissful regions, never to be reborn again.

So, is there any truth to either of these ideas? Let us take a look.

First, do we need a living master so we can return to God? If not, what do we need?

Consider this. There is a spiritual flow that descends from the highest of realms to the lowest. In this dense physical plane form is created from spirit which is concretized and slowed down to the extent that the originating spirit essence is difficult to perceive. Even though the spiritual flow is difficult to tap into it is not impossible. We spend many lifetimes learning by trial and error until we do learn to direct our focus toward the spiritual energy. When we do finally learn to do this then our progress toward pure spirit is increased as we finally have a sense of direction that leads us to our source.

So, do we accomplish this all on our own with no help?

Not by any means. We are all interdependent and need each other. Some progress faster than others and teach others what they have learned. Souls also progress unevenly and even lopsidedly. John may be advanced in one area and backward in another. Bob may be must the opposite so it turns out that they can help each other move forward in their areas of weakness.

The real key to advancement is to tap into the highest possible spiritual flow. When one does this he can assist others. But keep in mind, he assists, but does not do the work for them required to bring them in alignment with Spirit.

So what does thus teacher do?

First, he makes the students aware that there is such a thing as higher spiritual contact and that it is available to all. There is individual contact and group contact. The goal is not to progress alone but take others with us. Eventually numerous souls will merge and become one in aligning with the spiritual flow.

All of us are brothers and made in the mage of God. One is not any more special than another. Some have merely traveled further along the path of return and can help others on that same path by giving instructions to fellow travelers.

So, what about the idea of skipping over hundreds or maybe thousands of lives with the help of a master, never to be born again?

This question is easy to answer when we realize why we incarnate in this world and others. The reason is to learn, grow, gain experience and obtain the joy of accomplishment. In other words, we are in school in this realm.

Now, let us say you were half way through college, learning to become an engineer. Then you meet this unusual guy who claims to have some type of magical power and he tells you that if you listen to him and do as he says that you will not have to attend another day of school. You don’t have to be an engineer, a lawyer, doctor or anything. Just come live in his compound and you will live in bliss forever without a care in the world from now on.

Does this make sense to you?

Of course not. If you quit now you will not learn to become an engineer as you desired. If you follow the guru you’ll find that you’ll just have to retrace your steps and go back to school to achieve worth of real value.

Yes, we are in school and, after many lives of service and being served by others we will graduate. Then, after a period of labor and rest we will desire to learn even greater things and we will move on to more advanced schools and thus we move ever onward to eternal lives on eternal worlds without end.

 

June 29, 2015

Ken writes:

Shalom Blayne, I sorry you feel I am not part of the Elect, and that you are, but time will tell. You also try to portray Elohim as some vicious deity, or at least how you think I project Him. That is not the case at all. He is like any parent, and will correct and discipline His Children, and those who are uncorrectable, He will eventually remove from existence. Are you the type that would allow a serial murderer, who would not change, LIFE? Just where would you draw the line in destroying the wicked?

JJ

And what percentage of the children of God will God hate so much that he will burn with fire and extinguish from existence???

If you are a typical fundamentalist the figure will be over 90% in your mind and surely it will be more than half by your standards.

What kind of idiot, hateful, incompetent father would raise his children so more than half are worthy of being punished with a painful eternal death by his own hand?

Considering that question alone should reveal to any reader that there is tremendous illusion in your thinking.

Here is a part of a message I wrote to the Mormons decades ago who were caught up in a similar illusion.

ASK FOR A FISH

We are supposed to believe that God is our Father and we are his sons and daughters and that God loves us even more than we love our children. If this is the case then we should examine the good we try and do for our children and then expect that God, being our Father, would do an even greater good for us as his sons and daughters.

If a child fails the first grade do we condemn him to stay in the first grade for all eternity, or even a lifetime? No. We have pity on the child and try and help him as much or more than ever and when he finally attains the second grade we rejoice at his progress.

If an earthly parent is this good in his thoughts then what about God? The scriptures answer: “Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your father which is in heaven give good gifts to them that ask him?” Matt 7:9-11. We are commanded to “ask and it shall be given you.” Matt 7:7

This scripture doesn’t apply to this life only, but for all eternity. God did not put a limit on it. Therefore if a man in the telestial kingdom asks for the means to go higher will not God provide a way? If you were with God and that person in the telestial kingdom asking was your son would not you rejoice in providing him with the opportunity to join you? If we are that good in seeking the welfare and progression of our children would God not go one better? Will God give a stone of eternal damnation to a son in the telestial kingdom who seeks to go up? Are we capable of greater good than God?

But, says one, God has his hands tied and he is subject to laws. But we ask: What laws are you talking about? Why bind God by laws that do not exist? Where is this law written that we hear rumored about the church and who established it? Would it not have been God? But if it was God why would a loving Father establish such a damning and unjust law?

Alas! We know there is no such law, but such a law is thought up by those who feel secure in their own salvation and exaltation and want to limit opportunity to their own sphere. They are like established doctors and lawyers who are secure in their income and want to establish rules for newcomers so difficult that few will make the grade thus eliminating competition.

We forget that on God’s endless worlds there is room for all and as soon as a man “asks” the opportunity will be given for God “will have all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” I Tim 2:4 “Even so it is NOT THE WILL of your Father which is in heaven that ONE of these little ones should perish.” Matt 18:14 People who doubt the scripture will say that God’s will is not always done, but they forget that “with God NOTHING shall be impossible.” Luke 1:37. They also forget the prayer of Jesus: “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” Matt 6:10

I contend that if it is the will of God that none shall perish, or that all shall eventually be exalted, then nothing can hold back that Will from being accomplished. If God “allotteth unto men according to their wills” (Alma 29:4) then he shall surely be able to fulfill his own will. If God cannot fulfill his own will then you and I have great reason to tremble and fear for he may not have power to save us even if we repent! Behold, the Spirit testifies that God can save and exalt whoever will use his free agency to conform to the appropriate laws, regardless of whether that decision was yesterday, today, or a million years from now.

 

July 3, 2015

More on Health

My wife and I took off for a couple days of R&R after the gathering and are getting settled back into the regular routine.

It is great to see old friends at the gatherings and make new ones. Because I consider the group to be my friends I am concerned when I see some health problems develop. Now, some of the group are doing great health wise, but others seem to be having more than their share of problems. This is one reason that we have some type of healing session at each gathering. It is interesting that the healing energy that circulates has something for everyone as it heals the soul and body. Everyone feels uplifted to a degree, some more than others.

The trouble with health problems is that it is often impossible to put a finger on exactly what one must do to become well as there are so many ingredients to good health such as karma, attitude, diet, water intake, exercise, exposure to sunlight, positive and negative suggestions implanted in the mind etc.

Throughout my life, when I have encountered someone with health problems, I attempt to observe their diet and lifestyle as much as possible to see if there is correlation, and generally there is, and some causes are quite obvious.

My friend Wayne, who was one of the most intelligent people I have known, made some typical mistakes that plagues many of us. He did a number of things that violated the rules that would insure good health, things which should be basic protocol for those who want to maintain power to serve, live long and prosper.

(1) He drank diet sodas.

Regular sodas with cane sugar or fructose should be avoided, but the artificial sweeteners are much worse. Artie and I warned him about these many times, but he was just addicted and just couldn’t give them up for more than a day or two.

Anyone who drinks more than two sodas a week, diet or otherwise, can expect to have some negative impact on his health. I personally avoid diet sodas like the plague. Many drink them to lose weight but research shows that one gains more weight drinking them than regular sodas with sugar.

In addition one should avoid aluminum and plastic containers.

(2) He took in lots of processed sugar.

He loved sweet things and instead of using sweeteners like raw honey or maple syrup he ate a lot of products containing fructose or regular sugar.

(3) He ate a lot of processed foods.

His worst offense was eating lots of doughnuts and rolls made of white, bleached, processed flour. This creates all kinds of health problems over time. When visiting me he would often bring a half dozen sweet rolls or doughnuts, thinking he was doing me a favor. As many times as I explained to him that these were terrible for your health, he just didn’t seem to get the message.

(4) He drank tap water.

The worst thing about tap water is that it contains chlorine. One should at least expose it to the air for 20 minutes so most of it can disperse unto the atmosphere. You never know what all poisons are in tap water so it is best to either filter it or buy filtered or spring water. Avoid water in plastic drinking containers except for occasional use.

The best filter for the money is called Zero Water and you can buy these at Walmart, Target and other locations.

This takes everything out of the water, similar to reverse osmosis, so I add some extra plant derived minerals. Here’s a link to the minerals I use.

LINK

A little unrefined salt also enlivens the water.

(5) He ate refined table salt.

Many do not realize the health problems created by regular table salt. Unrefined salt in the right doses is very healthful but regular refined salt is very tough on the body.

Regular table salt is refined at high temperatures taking out all the healthful minerals giving it a very white color. In the refining process chemicals are added that are designed to make it more free-flowing. Ferrocyanide, talc, and silica aluminate are commonly included.

And don’t think you are getting good salt when the label says “sea salt.” This is often refined as much as regular table salt. If the salt looks angelic white then avoid it. Unrefined salt has a little color to it.

Here is a link to my favorite salt.

Note that there are other good salts recommended if you scroll down.

(5) Lack of exercise.

He got very little exercise that would increase the heart rate and oxygen intake.

You do not need to exercise a lot to maintain good health. A little frequent exercise is a lot better than a lot in longer intervals. You should do something to get your heart rate up every two to three hours and not sit for over 20 minutes at a time. If you work a lot at the computer, as I do, then get up and walk around on a regular basis.

Anyway, these are some of the basics overlooked by many seekers. Much pain and suffering could be alleviated by these suggestions alone.

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Ruth:

Although I don’t drink soft drinks, I do have some chocolate every day, and a wine at night, and some days are better than others, because I do love salt and junk food, but I do use the pink salt over the white salt.

JJ

You’ll get a lot of regular refined salt in any junk or processed food. I eat very few foods with salt added.

Wine, chocolate, sodas in the right doses will generally not do you harm. Eating a lot of chocolate with sugar added could be a problem. Overall there are a lot of health benefits to chocolate. I take most of my chocolate by means of hot chocolate and make it as follows. In a good sized mug I place a teaspoon of organic chocolate powder, a third of a teaspoon of instant coffee and then add some real vanilla extract for flavor. To this I add one third water and two thirds almond milk. Then I add around a heaping teaspoon of raw honey (or real maple syrup – preferably grade B) and top it off with a little real cream.

This makes a delicious, healthy and satisfying drink.

Ruth:

Do you think Wayne wanted to die?

JJ

Yes, a part of Wayne wanted to die. Whenever Curtis spoke of gaining immortality Wayne always groaned and commented that life was not enjoyable enough to live beyond the normal time.

Give us a reminder the day before your operation and I’m sure many here will be glad to pray for you or send you good vibes.

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lwk

Do you still have a page on your website where you discuss in detail your belief that John F. Kennedy was the reincarnation of H.P. Blavatsky?

JJ

The handwriting link between JFK and HPB is not on my current site but can be found by linking to the old sight by means of the WayBack search. Here is the link:

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Conall writes:

I don’t drink soda either, but the two studies that I see referenced for rise in obesity, and cancer, with soda consumption, are pretty shoddy. Do you have another study you look to other then the one done on rats and the observational one on weight?

JJ

I go by what my body tells me above all else and the first time I tasted artificial sweeteners my body screamed to me to avoid them. I might drink a small amount of something with it in once or twice a year and that is too much.

My body is much more tolerant of regular sodas, but the more I avoid them the better, I may drink one every month or so when there is nothing else available.

Here is a good site tellings of the dangers of too much soda:

http://authoritynutrition.com/13-ways-sugary-soda-is-bad-for-you/

Here is some good information on diet sodas:

LINK

I wish they would do a study on the effects of aluminum from the cans used for sodas and beer as well as the plastics for the sodas.

 

July 4, 2015

Dan:

Stevia is not as bad but I still find the taste objectionable to the point I won’t use it. I also only use honey or maple syrup (as raw/unrefined as I can afford them) these days.

JJ

I feel the same way about Stevia though my wife and many others like it because of the low calories. On a scale of 1-10 synthetic sweeteners are 1, Stevia is 6, grade B maple syrup is 9 and raw honey is a 10. I find you can buy raw honey and grade B maple syrup cheaper online than in a heath food store. I use Amazon or Vitacost. If you are on their mailing list Vitacost offers an additional 10% discount about once a month.

I agree with you that detecting artificial sweetener is like detecting the taste of gasoline. As soon as I take a taste of something with it in I can taste it immediately. Some health food products are even adding it. I strongly advise all who read this to avoid

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July 4, 2015

Madam Blavatsky

Good article. (LINK) The reader may find it of interest that DK acknowledged that Blavatsky fabricated most of the Mahatma letters. She still had some of the charlatan in her left over from the life as Count Cagliostro. I have read several accounts of her life and there was definitely some supernatural events involved with her but I think she felt that she had to add some magical tricks now and then to keep the work growing. Unfortunately, this causes many impartial observers and critics to discount all that she did.

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Destroying the Soul

I finally have a moment to respond to Ken who wrote:

First, let me remind you about the “firstfruits” of the harvest. Yahweh Elohim is following a very specific plan, in which a select few are harvested FIRST, and that harvest is small, only the Elect. The rest of mankind will be harvested and gathered according to the timetable set forth by The Father, and that harvest will bring forth ALL who are Children of Elohim, to Eternal Life. Then on the other hand, those who have proven they are children of Satan, they will be likened to Judas, sons of perdition/destruction (John 17:12), and they will be LOST. If the percentage holds true as patterned by Judas, then about 1/12th of mankind will have their bodies and souls DESTROYED by the One who is able to destroy in the Gehenna, and He should be feared:

JJ

I have to admit that this is not a typical fundamentalist interpretation of salvation percentages, but you definitely have a fundamentalist approach to seeing the scriptures as being free of error and needing a literal interpretation in most cases. I need to ask you some questions to clarify your belief. You say that you believe 11 out of 12 people will obtain eternal life.

So, do you believe that 11 out of 12 people who lived in the days of Jesus are now saved and enjoying heavenly bliss? If not when will this happen and how? Will the 11 out of 12 receive the same reward as you?

As evidence that we can be destroyed into oblivion you cite several scriptures, the most potent of which is:

Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the Gehenna. Mt 10:28

So, does this mean we are in danger of being completely annihilated by our loving Father/Mother God?

First let us look at a couple other scriptures. Here is the basic idea repeated by Luke:

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. Luke 12:5-7

So, here we are told that none of us are forgotten before God, for we are worth many sparrows. This would include the worst of us. And what parent is there among us that would give up on his child, even when he makes a grievous error? Jesus said that God is an even more loving parent than we are.

This is evidenced by this scripture:

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. I Tim 2:3-4

So, then, it is the will of God that all be saved and if one believes that God has power to fulfill that which he wills then one must conclude that ALL will be saved and NONE will be annihilated.

Ken gives Judas as an example of one who will be destroyed, but of him it was written:

The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Matt 26:24

Now if Judas did not exist before birth and is annihilated after death, then how could it be that it would have been good for him to not have been born? How can non existence after death be worse than non existence before birth???

Does not compute.

It is true that with a few failed entities will suffer destruction of, not only the physical but the other bodies used by the soul and they will return to the monad for recycling to get another chance in another system. Eventually, all will be saved, just as the scripture says,

Our initial; essence, the monad, is a part of God. To completely destroy us would mean that God is destroying himself and a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.

God’s kingdom does stand and he nurtures all the lives that are a part of his eternal being.

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Diet of World’s Oldest Person

Susannah Mushatt Jones, the world’s oldest documented person at 116 puts her longevity down to eating bacon and eggs every morning for over a century.

A sign on her kitchen wall reads “Bacon makes everything better”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11721581/Worlds-oldest-person-116-eats-diet-of-bacon-and-eggs.html

 

July 8, 2015

More on Soul

Ken:

please answer this question. Do you believe the following statement:

LDS Apostle B. H. Roberts wrote, “Saddening as the thought may seem, the Church founded by the labors of Jesus and His Apostles was destroyed from the earth”

JJ

Do not agree. The church was not destroyed but hidden in the wilderness.

Rev 12:6 And the woman (the church) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Roberts quote continued:

the Gospel was perverted; its ordinances were changed; its laws were transgressed;

JJ

Pretty much agree. Some Christian sects were much worse than others at altering things according to their desires.

Roberts:

its covenant was, on the part of man, broken;

JJ

Not sure which covenant he was talking about.

Roberts:

and the world was left to flounder in the darkness of a long period of apostasy from God… a universal apostasy from the Christian doctrine and the Christian Church took place”

JJ

Most of the world has been floundering in darkness, even when master teachers such as Jesus were here, but there have always been pockets of light upon the earth.

I asked:

Do you believe that at death we continue existence in a spirit world or do you think like the Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses that the soul sleeps at death and then will be brought back to life at the judgment to be either annihilated or given eternal life? If you do not think like them then how is your belief different?

Ken:

Yes, there are differences. For the unbelieving, at death, they know nothing, and they gain nothing, but for the righteous at death, that when they depart this fleshly life, they do have a gain in being WITH Messiah, and when He returns, He will bring them with Him.

JJ

Don’t see much difference here. Those churches think that the righteous will not seem to spend any time sleeping but will seem to instantly be with Jesus.

So, where are the faithful apostles of Jesus? Are they sleeping or are they alive with Jesus? Are they with him in physical bodies or spiritual ones?

I asked::

How are the 11 out of 12 who are not saved yet going to obtain salvation on your eighth day? Is there any hope for Hitler?

Ken

Salvation is a matter of being saved FROM being a sinner, and yes, there is hope for Hitler on the 8th Great Day.

JJ

So, I take it that you believe, like the Jehovah Witnesses, that Hitler is in an unconscious sleep and will be reconstituted on your eighth day. When the pieces of him are put back together then what will he have to do to be saved? Just say, “I believe!” or something more?

6 million Jews may have a problem singing praises side by side with him.

JJ

Is there any book, teacher or spiritual writing available that represents your beliefs outside of the Bible?

Ken

No.

JJ

I would say that you have a problem then if you cannot find any teaching that is in harmony with you even if you search all of recoded history for thousands of years. After all the Bible is only one book containing only a few fragmented truths here and there and not presented with much clarity.

God is really falling down on the job if you and your brother are the only ones on the planet who are a source of the truth. Where is your Paul, your Moses, your Elijah, or even your Allan Cronshaw to help you get the message out?

Ken:

I have told you, the One True Church or Assembly was completely destroyed, not one Living Stone was left upon another, the MOON was turned to BLOOD as fierce wolves attacked, and DID NOT SPARE the Flock. Traditional/fundamental christianity is what rose up in the place of the One True Church, and you want to compare me to them? That really surprises me.

JJ

Your beliefs may be different, as hundreds of fundamentalists have different interpretations, but you are like them in that you accept the Bible as the only book you can trust and see it as without error. That is a fundamentalist approach. Herbert W. Armstrong also took a fundamentalist approach and came to different conclusions than others. Why would anyone think you are more correct in your interpretations than he was? He was at least believable enough to get a large following.

Ken:

Concerning 11 out of 12 who lived at the time of Yeshua? Yeshua stated that His generation would not fair too well in the judgment. So their percentages may not be as good as those who were never exposed to LIGHT, as His generation was. You see, for judgment to be true and fair, those being judged must FIRST be exposed to the Light, and for many, that will not happen until the 8th Great Day. But those who have been exposed to the Light, and reject it, will not fair well in the regeneration.

JJ

It sounds like in this generation just you, your brother and maybe a couple close associates are guaranteed salvation and the only hope for the rest is the vague eighth day of reconstitution you speak of, of which almost nothing is revealed.

How will the unwashed masses be saved on the eighth day and will they receive the same reward as you, who (as you believe) see and obey the light now?

Ken:

Finally, your take on 1 Tim 2:3-4 is misunderstood on your part. Paul is not saying “God’s” WILL is that all be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. The Greek word used for “will” is G2309, and Paul uses it here also:

2Cor 12:6 For though I would desire (G2309) to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but [now] I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me [to be], or [that] he heareth of me.

JJ

It is amazing that you hold the Bible in esteem above all other books but do not accept what it says. Let me repeat the scripture where you say it doesn’t say it is God’s will that all be saved:

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. I Tim 2:3-4

The words “will have” comes from Strongs G2309 (or the Greek THELŌ) as you say, but the first meaning given by Strongs is “to determine” and the first given by the Blue Letter Bible is “to will, have in mind, intend.”

The Concordant Version which gives us the most accurate literal translations reads thus:

“Who wills that all mankind be saved and come to a realization of the truth.”

Here is a couple other scriptures where it is used:

And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, (THELŌ) thou canst make me clean. And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; (THELŌ) be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. Mat 8:2-3

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, (THELŌ) but as thou wilt ((THELŌ, implied). Mat 26:39

The meaning of THELŌ can vary a bit with the context. In addition “to will, have in mind, intend” it can also mean to desire as you say, but there is not a lot of difference between one having power to fulfill desire or will. If God desires a thing then he also wills it and can make it happen. If you had the power and desired salvation for your child would you not make sure he achieved it?

Ken

Elohim can “desire” that all men be saved and that they come to a knowledge of the Truth, but does that mean that all men WOULD come to a knowledge of the Truth, and be saved?

JJ

So, then, you are saying that God has no power to fulfill his desire or will. That doesn’t sound like your normal thinking.

Ken:

Think along the lines of a loving father desiring his children to be saved from the evils of life and coming to know the right things to do. Does it mean that ALL of his children will do this just because he desires it?

JJ

But God has power to fulfill his will and has all eternity to do it. A child will always make the right choice given enough time and encouragement. It may take over 1000 lifetimes but we all will eventually get things right.

One reason you do not like the obvious interpretation of this scripture is because we would need reincarnation for it to be true.

Ken:

Your explanation of Judas having been better off to have never been born doesn’t make much sense, in light of 2 Pet 2:20-22, and in light of “the soul who sins shall die.”

JJ

There is nothing in that verse that contradicts anything I have said. If Judas did not exist before birth then why would it be worse for him to not exist after God destroys him into non existence??? You have not explained why non existence after death is worse than non existence before birth. Unfortunately, you cannot explain this under your belief system whereas it makes perfect sense using my teachings.

Ken:

Consider that Elohim does not DESIRE the death of anyone?

JJ

And where do you get this idea? God created this world and designed it to have life and death so it could be a great schoolhouse of learning for us. You seem to think that poor old God is some powerless victim with his hands tied.

Ken

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

JJ

The scripture says that God breathed into Adam the breath of life and he became a living soul. When he quits breathing the soul, as defined by the Old Testament, dies. This happens to all of us regular mortals.

If we could live without error (sin) then we could defeat the last enemy, death, and our human souls could live as long as we want.

At the death of the human soul the person is not extinguished but continues life on other planes of existence.

I would say that you are the one who needs to reevaluate your thinking here as it runs contrary to scripture, reason and common sense.

 

July 9, 2015

The Last Enemy

Jody asks about this scripture:

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother (Lazarus) shall rise again.

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. John 11:23-26

He asks: “Why does it sound like he’s repeating himself?”

JJ

Actually, he is not for he is talking about belief in two different situations.

(1) A belief in Christ in a conscious state after death. This was the situation with Lazarus. He had been separated from his body for over three days, or dead in the normal sense, and in this spiritual state had a conscious belief that Christ had power over death.

So here Jesus was telling Martha that though Lazarus is dead he will be brought to life because he was in a believing state on the other side.

(2) A belief in Christ while yet living. He stated that this entails an acceptance of his words of life into our being. If we properly do this and live by them as he did then death can have no power over us as it had no power over him. At this point the last enemy is destroyed.

True death is more than a separation from the body, but a separation from the soul and spirit. The fact that we die physically against our will is a sign that we are subject to a degree of spiritual death. This spiritual death is overcome by the acceptance and incorporation of the “words of life” from both the inner and outer Christ. Since we do not have all the words of the outer Christ, the inner must be sought. When one truly hears, believes and assimilates the Word (words of Christ) which Is God then all things become possible.

This scripture says it well:

“Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.” II Nephi 32:3

Here the reference is to the inner Christ which is linked to the outer.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.” John 8:51

Jody also asks:

If the soul is the reflection of the higher self would that “by your teachings” mean that the male energies are negative at the higher self and the female energies are positive at the higher self if you we are a reflection.

JJ

The relation of male to female is relative to the relationship. Male is always the positive/sending pole and female is always the negative/receiving one.

Because we receive from the Higher Self and are not polarized as sending to it then we are female to it whether we are in a male or female body. On the other hand, the Higher Self receives from the Monad so it is female in relation to that and the Monad would be in the male situation.

If you are in a male body and are taught by another male then in this relationship you are in the female polarity and the teacher in the male.

If one in a female body is teaching a class of mixed genders then she is male to the students and all students are female to her.

Our bodies are just one manifestation of male/female energy. The male body sends the seed and the female receives it. Understanding the teachings of the inner Christ on balancing these energies within us is one of the keys to overcoming death as mentioned previously.

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The Pluto Mission

After waiting all my life we finally have a picture of Pluto with some details. The great part is when the flyby happens next Tuesday (July 14) we will get 500 times the details as we have now. This nine year trip to Pluto is all for getting one day’s worth of good photos and data since the spacecraft is going too fast to orbit the planet.

Here is the latest photo and article.

We will have to wait longer than planned to find out what that bright spot is on Ceres as they had a glitch they had to fix in the software. It looks like they are good to go and we should have some better photos in a few weeks.

 

July 10, 2015

Recognizing Initiates

Jody asks:

How does one know what initiation one is on?

JJ

We’ve covered this somewhat in the past, but it is always a subject of interest when the topic is brought up.

DK talks about ceremonies of recognition of the various initiations so a casual reader may assume that each initiate knows where he is because of some supernatural occurrence. This is normally not so obvious as these recognitions often take place between lives or while the person is in the sleeping state.

It is important to understand that a degree of initiation is merely the recognition of an achievement of mastery over certain areas of life and experience. If a person achieves mastery in a certain life and receives the ceremony in between lives, then he was an initiate in that life before he received the acknowledgment. In the true sense, once become an initiate when he achieves the inner power of control.

The journey to mastery and full entrance into the Kingdom of God consists of preparation and five initiations, or steps that assume control and remove limitations for the seeker.

In the preparatory step the seeker is considered an aspirant. The aspirant is one who is no longer satisfied receiving all his thinking and approval from the beast and starts thinking on his own. He begins to use his own mind and heart as he seeks for answers.

The first degree initiate is one who has achieved mastery over physical desires and can resist the pull of matter and materialism.

The churches prepare seekers for this mastery by dictating to them rules about sex and what they should eat and drink and where they should donate money. Right or wrong the rules help the seeker to develop self discipline which is essential to achieve the first major step.

Here are signs that the seeker has achieved the first degree.

1. The Appetites

When under the belief that a certain diet or restriction was necessary he or she is able to adhere to it without deviation. No one can talk him into breaking rules that he has accepted into his life.

For instance, if the seeker was in a belief system where being a vegetarian was considered essential then he demonstrated power to be a strict vegetarian so long as he accepted that belief.

If he was a Mormon then he demonstrated power to completely abstain from smoking, alcohol, tea and coffee while he accepted that system.

If he sees he needs to go on a certain diet for his health then he has complete power to go on that diet and adhere to it to his satisfaction.

If he decides to go on fast from food or water then he will be able to fast as planned for the predetermined period. A ten day fast without food will be no problem for him as long as some physical deficiency does not interfere.

2. Sex

If the seeker accepts a certain belief system concerning sex then he is able to adhere to it. If he believes sex outside of marriage or adultery is wrong then he simply will not do it. He will be able to resist the temptation.

The seeker looks at sex, decides which activity is correct and which is not, and then has the power to be true to that belief.

3. Money

The first degree initiate has power to channel his money and resources to what he sees as his highest good. This “highest good” goes beyond service to self. If he has more than he needs for his essentials he seeks to do something with his resources that will benefit others.

He thus seeks to initiate good causes on the physical plane.

Overall first degree initiates and higher are very conscientious about their health, are faithful to their sexual beliefs and are willing to share in both poverty and wealth.

Now one may look at certain initiates and wonder how these guidelines apply to them.

For instance, Winston Churchill was definitely an initiate, but he was overweight, drank quite a bit of alcohol and smoked cigars. How did he demonstrate control?

Answer: All his eating and drinking was accepted by his belief system. He controlled his appetites to the extent he deemed necessary to have good health and lived to the age of 90 when the average lifespan for his generation was below 65.

If one studies his history he sees that Churchill was sable to put his appetites under control when it was necessary.

So how about JFK and other apparent initiates who seemed to have no control over their sex lives?

It is true that some initiates get caught up in deviating from sexual norms. If the person is a first degree initiate then the source of the problem will be illusion rather than lack of control. The pull of sex is powerful and many first and second degree initiates get caught up in a belief system that gives them internal permission to go outside the normal standards.

In the case of JFK – he was taught about sex by his father and accepted his father’s philosophy on relationships above that of the church and thus was caught up in an illusion on this matter. There were times in his life where he demonstrated great self control over he physical side of life.

Overall the first degree initiate (and higher) has demonstrated control over appetite, sex and money, but under the guidelines of his belief system.

 

July 11, 2015

Coming out of the Wilderness

Ruth:

Or is the church coming out of “hiding” with your principles and teachings? Please clarify this for me.

We are coming out of hiding………

JJ

First it is important to realize what the true church is. The true church is not an organization, a dogma or a certain set of rules. The true church has always been composed of those people residing on the earth who have some degree of communion with the inner Christ, have a Christ-like love for their fellow men and women and seek to fulfill a perceived aspect of the Will of God. In the scriptures these people are called the pure in heart.

During times that these spiritual people are openly gathered in any significant degree the church is considered as being out of the wilderness. If gathering is not possible or too dangerous then the church is considered as being in the wilderness.

The internet is a medium that allows many to gather out of the wilderness to a degree. They are not brought physically together but are brought together so they can communicate. This is a productive first step that may lead to a complete coming out of the wilderness for the church.

 

July 11, 2015

The Lost Sheep

Ken:

Yeshua would bring forth a 2nd Witness to Testify concerning the One True Gospel. Demons KNOW and understand WE are COMING, and this is WHY they have raised up counterfeits such as the Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses who claim to be the True Witness. You are just an offshoot of that, and you would do well to consider what we say.

JJ

The problem is that we have considered what you say and you not only teach contrary to the scriptures, but you make no sense.

According to you, for almost two thousand years God has been so powerless that only you and your brother (and maybe a couple family members) have seen the light for over a 1000 years. That is an example of glamour if I ever heard one and I would strongly suspect that the glamour is so strong that you two see yourselves connected with the two witnesses from the Book of Revelation. Am I right on this?

The Mormons make a much better case that they are a second witness for Christ and their argument has been strong enough to convince over 15,000,000 people. Even so, there are plenty of flaws in their doctrines.

You have been adamant that the scriptures do not say what they say. For instance Paul plainly wrote:

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. I Tim 2:3-4

The words “will have” comes from the Greek THELŌ but the first meaning given by Strongs is “to determine” and the first given by the Blue Letter Bible is “to will, have in mind, intend.”

The Concordant Version which gives us the most accurate literal translations reads thus:

“Who wills that all mankind be saved and come to a realization of the truth.”

I do not think you have convinced anyone here that the scripture says anything different than it plainly states which is that God wills, determines or desires that all eventually be saved and that he has power to accomplish that which he wills.

This is clearly related in the parable of the lost sheep:

Matt 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matt 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

Matt 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

Matt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

So here we have it again. It is not within the will of God that even one of his children should perish. When we go astray God himself will go “into the mountains” and the ends of the earth and time to help us and bring us back to our senses so we can embrace the light. He is committed to work with us “until the last weary pilgrim finds his way home.”

Now let us shift away from the scriptures to common sense.

Jesus says that God is a better and more loving parent than earthly parents.

What earthly parent that has any love in his soul does not care for all his children no matter what mistakes they make? What loving parent would not go to the mountains, to the desserts, to the cities to find his lost child who is in great danger?

If we are good enough to make such an effort, then, according to the words of Jesus, God will be better than us and go further than us to save his children.

We mortals are often unable to fulfill our will, but not so with God. If God wants to save all his children then he has the power to do it and will do it.

Because we have free will he has to work with that will but sooner or later the prodigal son gets tired of eating food with the hogs and desires to return to his fathers house where even the lowest of servants fare much better. When he returns he finds that the father has been waiting for him and will restore him to his rightful place as his son.

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Making Sense of Truth

For one who puts the Bible on such a pedestal, making it the only book you can trust, you seem to not go much by what it actually says.

For instance, you say that the two witnesses

“are two GROUPS of Believers testifying to the Truth of the One True Gospel. The FIRST Witness testified two days ago (2000 years ago), and the SECOND Witness is close to giving It’s testimony in our day.”

Here is what is actually written about the two witnesses:

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

These verses make no sense when applying them to two groups existing 2000 years apart from each other. I could write 10,000 words explaining this but just these two examples:

First, it has them working together. You have them working 2000 years apart.

Secondly, all the people of the earth see their dead bodies lying in the streets of Jerusalem (together – not 2000 years apart).

Ken:

There are numerous Scriptures which show the wicked will be DESTROYED, and NOT saved

JJ

The destruction talked about is usually that of their physical bodies. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that the consciousness of anyone will go into non-existence. We have physical bodies, astral bodies and mental bodies that are all subject to destruction of some kind if we are careless n enough.

The reason the fate of Judas was going to be worse than not being born is because he will still exist as an eternal being and his state after death would be worse than before birth.

You have no explanation that makes any sense as to why Jesus said this about Judas as (in your belief) non existence before birth would be the same (not worse) than non existence after death.

What you have done is merely read the Bible in the light of your own mind and come up with various interpretations, just like hundreds of other belief systems. Then you present them as true whether they make any sense or not just like the hundreds of other Christian sects. What makes you different from them?

Nothing.

On the other hand, this group is different in that we do not accept anything unless it makes sense and that applies to all things written in the Bible, Alice A. Bailey writings or anything else out there.

In the end – if a thing is true it will make sense.

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Okay, Ken, I think I have gone overboard in allowing you to have your say in a Bible direction that is of little interest to the group. I can easily counter anything you say and you, or most other Bible believers, can come up with some reason why you are right by either a literal or figurative application of the scriptures. This just illustrates why there are hundreds of different churches using the same Bible yet coming up with widely different doctrines. All proclaim, “But we are the ones going by what the scriptures really say…”

It is time to move on now and talk about teachings that involve principles that make sense and have applications along the path of liberation.

Since you do not believe in our concept of liberation you may find yourself in no man’s land here and attempt to revert back to converting us to something we left behind long ago. If we wanted that we would be watching The Good Time Gospel Hour.

At this time I advise the group to ignore you unless you are posting on topic. The current one is the initiations.

 

July 13, 2015

Initiation and Judgment

In attempting to give guidelines so readers can have a basis of figuring out where they are upon the path imperfection is to be expected. This is a subject where a black and white reading of such guidelines will not work.

Now if a representative of the beast had an initiation program then black and white steps would be the norm. Because initiates are mostly free from the beast they are able to make judgments internally about their next step and what control is necessary to accomplish it.

When I was under some control of the beast (up to age 33) within the Mormon Church I had to go to the Bishop once a year to answer questions to determine my worthiness to enter the Temple. The questions asked demanded a black and white yes or no answer such as:

1. Do you pay your tithing (10% of your income to the church)?
2. Have you been obedient to the Word of Wisdom. That is did you smoke, drink any alcohol tea or coffee?
3. Have you had any sexual transgressions?
4. Do you sustain the leaders of the church?

The list goes on but this gives one the general idea. The answers are all yes or no? While I supported the church I was always able to give the expected answers and was deemed worthy to enter the temple.

Later, after 1978, when I freed myself from the last vestiges of the beast my path was no longer influenced by outside authority, but an inside one. When I became totally dependent on the God within the black and white “yes or no” often did not apply.

Now let us examine how my approach is different.

1. Do you pay your tithing?

I do not pay any money to any church, but I do give all that is feasible to the goal of assisting my brothers and sisters in their journey home. I now feel much more satisfaction about how my substance is used.

2. Have you been obedient to the Word of Wisdom?

That is did you smoke, drink any alcohol tea or coffee?

When I supported the church I completely abstained from these things. When I was left to my own judgment I reassessed everything. I decided that coffee, tea and some alcohol had some benefits and could be used wisely according to the circumstance. Smoking seemed to cause much more harm than good so I abstained from that, though I wouldn’t be beyond smoking a cigar on a special occasion.

3. Have you had any sexual transgressions?

When I was in the church sex outside of marriage was a big sin, but after leaving it the decision was completely in my hands so I looked at the principles involved concerning sex. I therefore decided to live for a time with my current wife before we had a legal marriage because we already were living by the principles of marriage. We were committed to each other and neither of us were violating a commitment to anyone else. The legal piece of paper made no difference in our relationship.

4. Do you sustain the leaders of the church?

I currently sustain any leader who is doing what I consider to be the right thing and oppose those who in any way lead us in a direction that will imprison the souls of mankind.

Now do not assume that I was under a total black and white control while in the church. I always followed the inner voice above the outer. Going through a period of church membership was something necessary for my total learning experience in this life. It brought me to a total realization as to exactly what the beast was.

These examples from my own life illustrate the different approaches a disciple will take under two different circumstances, and when freed completely from the outer voice how one then will use his own judgment as to what to eat or drink etc.

The general guideline for the first degree initiate is this. The seeker will demonstrate control to his own soul over his appetites, sex and money. His soul is the judge of the matter, not you or I. This is why non initiates have difficulty in recognizing initiates, but initiates can generally recognize each other because they have a degree of soul contact.

 

July 14, 2015

The Pluto Flyby

The New Horizons Spacecraft has finally flown by Pluto at a distance of 7800 miles. The first images will be in the hands of NASA around 7 PM tonight MDT. They did release a new image as the craft approached from about twice the distance of the moon from the earth. The telescopic lens brings it up closer than it would normally appear from that distance. Check it out here:

LINK

It will be interesting to see close up images of Pluto and its moons in the next couple days. The craft is operating on a plutonium battery producing just 220 watts and will take 16 months to send back all the data it has gathered during the few minutes of the flyby. The transmission rate is slower than the old telephone modems.

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The Sword of Excalibur

JJ [archives] wrote:

“Joseph was told in a revelation to “take the sword of my Spirit which I shall pour out upon you”. (D&C 27:18) This is the true sword of Excalibur which is given out from time to time.” – https://freeread.com/archives/707.html

Dan:

So the “true sword of Excalibur” is the “sword of my [God’s] spirit”? What does that mean?

JJ

It is written that, “And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh…” Genesis 6:3

The fullness of the power of the spirit is not always available but a full connection is possible during certain cycles that are in the hands of the Great Ones.

When a full connection is made by the uniting of heaven and earth through contact made with us mere mortals then Excalibur rises again from the waters that hide the true spirit. When this occurs, those with pure intent can take the sword of the Spirit and prevail over the opposing forces of materialism and carnal desire.

Windows have opened and closed in the past. I am waiting for another opening.

This goes beyond normal soul contact which is always available.

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Problems of the Second Degree

The First Degree initiate has proven to his soul (who cares what anyone else thinks) that the pull of the forces of matter will not negatively impact him as he journeys on the path if return.

Next he must face the even larger problem of neutralizing the distractions caused by the emotional body. I said that the steps of showing the mastery over the physical are not black and white… Well, the criteria for accomplishing the second initiation is even much less black and white. The illusions and glamours keeping the pilgrim from seeing the necessary steps to be taken for the mastering of the emotional body are great indeed.

From one point of view this is the most difficult of initiations. It is not because the steps to be taken are so strenuous and hard, but because the steps are so difficult to see and accept.

One of the major problems with the mastery of the emotional nature is the influence of glamours which affects the ego.

This is illustrated in the parable of Jesus about the higher and lower rooms:

When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.

But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Luke 14:8-11

Our emotional body is hell bent on convincing the ego that it is the center of the universe and that it is at a higher station or place on the path than it actually is. When the seeker is thus given the choice of seeing himself as in a higher or lower state his emotional self will push him to select the higher, just as did the guy in the parable.

Eventually, the day of reckoning comes where the truth becomes known and, if one discovers that he overestimated his status, he will find himself somewhat humiliated.

If he is humble and willing to accept himself, no matter where he may be then he will not be disappointed, but may wind up pleasantly surprised when his soul reveals that he is at a higher station than he thought.

Understanding the humility of taking the “lowest room” is itself beset with the glamour of false humility. Some, who see humility as a great virtue, will go out of their way to project it in a black and white manner, always proclaiming themselves to be incompetent, or not as good as others, or playing the martyr. This glamour fools some into thinking the guy is really humble, but instead this glamour feeds he ego because the emotional body feels it is really taking the “highest room” by creating this artificial humility.

Real humility does not feed the ego or seek for praise from anyone. Neither does real humility discount one’s real talents and abilities. DK basically says that real humility is recognizing your true place on the path and acting accordingly. He uses these words:

humility must always accompany a spiritual self-respect which forbids a disciple to stand anywhere upon the Path, except in his rightful place.

The problem is that the rightful place is sometimes difficult to see. If one does not know it then the phrase “known abilities” would apply.

Here are a few more of his words:

(Humility) equips its possessor with a balanced point of view as to himself, his responsibilities and his life work. This, when present, will enable him to view himself dispassionately and his presented opportunities with equal dispassion.

True humility is based on fact, on vision and on time pressures … I would remind you that there must always be humility in the presence of true vision.

He needs also to cultivate that true humility which will force him to give all he has in selfless service, and then to forget that he has thus given of himself. He must have no thought of himself as a factor in the case. Only when detachment and humility are present can a disciple really serve. Cultivate, therefore, these qualities and continue the giving of yourself in service.

Glamours are distortions of reality filtered through the emotional body. The fogs they create that prevent true vision can only be lifted through true humility with the seeker making a great effort to see things as they really are.

In addition to false humility common glamours that need to be overcome are.

The glamour of the place on the path. This causes the seeker to take the higher room, as in the parable. This is a very common one for beginners. Many with this glamour will be found proclaiming themselves to having lived famous past lives which are figments of their imagination.

The glamour of magnified self-importance. Some feel that God or the Hierarchy is depending on them and not much can be accomplished without them.

The glamour of the watcher. This person feels superior enough to be the watcher for iniquity in the group and sees it as his mission to reveal the flaws of others while not understanding his own.

The glamour of spiritual dominance or control over others. This person seeks to associate with weaker minds than himself so he can retain an air of superiority. This will cause him to dismiss someone who can truly assist him.

The glamour of devotion. This leads the seeker in the opposite direction in that he is so devoted to his teacher, teaching, belief or thoughtform that he looks neither to the left or the right to see the full reality present.

The glamour of failure. This person may claim to believe in the eventual triumph of good, but in the short run he always anticipates lots of problems, and opposition that will produce failure. Amazingly, he achieves the failure he sees coming.

The glamour of the victim. This is similar to the previous one but with a twist. He thinks he can’t succeed because people are out to get him or do not treat him fairly.

The glamour of personality. This person is impressed by teachers more because of the power of their personality than by their actual words and works – the two witnesses. He is likely to say something like, “I looked into his eyes and I just knew he was a man of God.” He will praise his teacher, priest, reverend or prophet more for being a wonderful personality than for any truth he has received.

The glamour of desire. He judges truth by what he desires it to be rather than what he sees it to be.

These are just a few of the popular glamours out of hundreds that could be named. The task of finding them in ourselves and then dispelling them is a Herculean task indeed.

 

July 15, 2015

Signs of the Second Initiation

The First Initiation is sometimes called “the birth of the Christ in the Heart” and it corresponds to the birth of Jesus. Hundreds of lifetimes pass before this is achieved.

The Second Initiation corresponds to the baptism at around the age of 30. The third corresponds to the transfiguration and the fourth to the experience in the garden and the crucifixion. Notice that once initiation has begun that the greatest distance by far in time is between the first and the second. Even so, it is with disciples, because the second is so difficult to pass because of the upside down vision and reasoning of the emotional body.

Polarizing oneself in the mind yet being detached from the emotions, while still allowing oneself to feel all there is to feel and allowing the emotional body to live freely, is a difficult accomplishment indeed.

Here are signs that the disciple has achieved or nearly achieved the Second Initiation.

(1) First and foremost he (or she) will not take offense when no offense is intended.

The seeker will find that many who are assumed to be masters or have achieved some type of liberation and display a lot of control over the physical side (maybe passed the First Initiation) will just go to pieces when challenged or criticized.

To one who understands the steps of progression this is like the guy is waving is hands and saying, “Hey, guys, I’m not at the Second Degree yet!”

(2) His peace will still be in place when offense is intended. He will register the offense as intentional and deal with it from a mental level, only attempting to correct, not to hurt or insult. Personal attacks using words like stupid, hypocrite, liar etc will be avoided if at all possible.

Someone can insult him by shouting in his face and he can politely answer back with a smile. (This will often inflame the guy even more).

(3) Harmlessness. He will seek to do no harm to others, either physically or emotionally. He will attempt to see the Christ in even the worst of those he encounters.

(4) What he accepts as truth will be decided by reason and soul perception, not emotional sound bytes. He will always look at the underlying truth behind emotionally charged words, actions and events.

“If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit” would not have much effect on the initiate of the second degree. Neither would merely stating “hope and change” over and over.

(5) He has neutralized and overcome the martyr complex.

Life is often tough for the would be initiate and the temptation is great to see himself as a victim of all kinds of things such as:

(A) Ill Health. It may seem that he has been singled out to suffer while others less worthy get a pass.

(B) Attacks or bad treatment from family, friends and associates. It seems that others are treated much better than he is.

(C) The general unfairness from happenings and relationships in his life.

The second degree initiate sees beyond all these things and looks at the synthetic whole. He realizes that he is the prime creator of his own reality and overall life. He sees that through numerous incarnations life treats him as fairly as anyone else. He assumes control over that which he can change and accepts without complaint that which he cannot change.

Example: If his boss does not promote him when he knows he deserves it, and there is nothing he can do to change his mind, he will either accept the situation or seek other employment. He will not go through the “poor me” experience for he sees himself as in charge of his overall life.

(6) He will react pleasantly to criticism whether it be fair or unfair. Sometimes a totally outrageous criticism may require a strong emotional response, but this will be decided by the mind and the reaction will be harmless in intent.

(7) The ego will be under control and the seeker will not be adversely affected by glamours, some of which were discussed previously.

This power is difficult to detect by observers or the seeker himself because glamours are so numerous and often very subtle and difficult to see. Only the powers of the soul can rightly judge the disciple to be free of their influence.

(8) Strong soul contact. The seeker will rely on the soul over the personality and trust its guidance as he journeys through life. He knows the difference between communication with the soul and impressions from his emotional self. Emotional influence comes under the full power of the mind and soul.

That gives us a few clues as to this important step. Even so, only those who are ready will see them accurately.

He who guards his words, and who only speaks with altruistic purpose, in order to carry the energy of Love through the medium of the tongue, is one who is mastering rapidly the initial steps to be taken in preparation for initiation. Speech is the most occult manifestation in existence; it is the means of creation and the vehicle for force. In the reservation of words, esoterically understood, lies the conservation of force; in the utilisation of words, justly chosen and spoken, lies the distribution of the love force of the solar system,—that force which preserves, strengthens, and stimulates. DK

Initiation Human and Solar, Pg 74

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Ruth:

You can curse as much as you want …………………………….as long as there is no negative energy behind the words imo……….

JJ

Swearing may have it’s place and there are times it may even add power to your words but most of the time it will represent the scattering of force under the direction of the emotional body, rather than mind. In these cases where the emotions tell you to @##$%%^ – instead go in the zone ++++++++. This can be done without suppressing any emotions of grievance.

I have to admit though that when I drop an anvil on my toe I may let out a few choice words.

 

July 17, 2015

Historical Hindsight

Many mistakes are made when we try and reverse engineer history. Many historians write as if the problems of World War II would have been solved if we had just taken out Hitler before the war. On hindsight almost everything thinks that would have been a good idea.

Let us suppose for a moment that Churchill had been in power instead of Chamberlain and decided to do just that. What would have been the probable outcome? Few have considered this but here is the way I see it.

First of all, it would have been a very unpopular move and Churchill would have been demonized by the media, his political opposition and many countries of the world, even if FDR supported the move.

Invading Germany, even before Hitler completed his war machine, would have been very expensive and there would have been many additional complaints about the money spent.

Now, let us suppose the invasion was successful. Churchill won the combat war and killed Hitler. What next?

He had to keep the peace, install a new government and assist the people in a transition back to normal democracy.

So… Would all the faithful Nazis have just accepted the defeat and rolled over?

Not hardly. The Nazi’s were fierce fighters and smart and would have resisted in any way possible. They were not dumb enough to go on suicide missions but they would have created bombs, poison gas or whatever was at their disposal to attack the occupying government and sabotage them.

As the heat was turned up on them the worst of the bunch would have fled to Fascists Italy under the friendly Mussolini. After this here is what may have happened.

Churchill undergoes even more criticism after several years of occupation. It appears that they can never create a successful transition.

Churchill sees the problems and tells the people that it is important that they stay the course and make sure the provisional government is kept free from the power of the Nazis and Mussolini. England and America must do what it takes to keep the peace until stability evolves.

Unfortunately, Churchill is voted out of power and Chamberlain takes the reigns under the slogan “peace in our time” along with the mantra of “hope and change.”

Chamberlain withdraws all the troops from Germany telling the Germans that it is time for them to stand on their own and resist the Nazis and fascists.

Because the withdrawal was announced in advance the Nazis saw their day of opportunity and organized to take advantage of this time. They took with them all the forces possible from Italy and united with Nazis still in Germany, and piece by piece, started again to occupy Germany.

Many saw the error of their ways, but still Chamberlain did nothing in hopes that the problem would just go away.

It did not.

Eventually another election was held and Chamberlain was replaced with someone with a bit of common sense. With the support of the people and with aid from the United States they were able to drive out the Nazis and over the next eight years stabilize the government of Germany.

The end result?

There were many problems to handle but World War II was avoided and 6,000,000 Jews were not exterminated. The huge advantage to the world was that the evil genius Hitler was neutralized. This did not eliminate all problems but it eliminated the main problem.

Even so, Saddam Hussein and his sons were more like Hitler than any dictator since him and to think that if he were left in power that everything would have just glided along as normal is insane. Bush eliminated this threat and set everything in place to stabilize the region. Unfortunately, much of it was undone by Obama. Let us hope the next president can help to steer the Middle East back to a stable course.

Not all the plans of the Brotherhood of Light are successful for they have to depend of the free will of the human race to carry them out.

After the war in Iraq began I warned a number of times that the forces of darkness would do everything in their power to prevent a peaceful democracy from developing there. We now see that this has happened and we are at a point where Iraq could swing toward the dark or the light depending on what happens in the next U.S. election as well as the world economy.

“Let light and love and power restore the plan on earth.”

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Jim gives a quote from a nebulous Texas newspaper stating that George W Bush apologized for the war in Iraq. This is obviously a made up quote for the following reasons:

(1) No specific reference is cited

(2) None of the major media picked it. It would have been a big story and those who hated Bush would have gleefully repeated it if the quotes were verifiable.

(3) There are only a few fringe far left sites quoting this.

(4) The quote is refuted by Bush himself who says he stands by his decision to invade Iraq. These quotes (made after the false quote) are from CBS News and the New York Times who generally check the source of their quotes.

Mr. Bush also said he has no regrets about going to war.

“No, I think it was the right decision,” President Bush said. “My regret is that — a violent group of people have risen up again. This is ‘Al Qaeda plus.’ I put it in the book, they need to be defeated. And I hope we do. It’s – I hope that the strategy. CBS News interview LINK

Unlike His Brother, George W. Bush Stands by His Call to Invade Iraq

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July 27, 2015

Handling Duality

Clay:

I can tell you from some profound experiences during meditation that inside and outside are illusions. There is no inside or outside I swear I am not being contrarian this if from actual experience.

When you can observe your body from outside of yourself, your consciousness is definitely itself not inside or outside. It can be everywhere.

JJ

Over the years we have had a number of people come here who have had a similar experience and because of it feel they have an agenda to enlighten us because we use some of the principles of duality in our discussion.

Because we do not immediately endorse their vocabulary they often become rude, insulting and attack us as if we were a bunch of spiritual hayseeds.

We have found this quite strange since they describe their experience to which they wish to lead us toward as being great peace and love. Yet they come here with a chip on their shoulder bringing no peace and showing no love.

Obviously, this “Great Void”, as it is often described, is far from any ultimate experience, for anything near the ultimate would also include a manifestation of great love which is a main part of the lesson for which we came.

Nevertheless, the oneness experience is real and we learn from all experiences. The problem is that which is registered by the concrete mind often falls short of understanding all that is involved.

So, is all of the duality of this world just an illusion that we need to discard? Should we cease from speaking of hot and cold, up and down, male and female etc?

It is true that all the worlds of form are created by illusion. As scientists examine physical matter and go smaller and smaller the only real thing they can find is wavelengths. The reason is that all form is created from wavelengths.

And what creates the wavelength?

I have called this the “Guitar String Principle.”

If you take a single guitar string and look at it, how many strings do you see?

You see one string.

If you then pluck it so it creates sound how many strings do you see?

Generally you will see three strings. One seems to be up, another down and the third in the middle.

Are there really three strings?

No. There is only one string. The three strings are an illusion.

How about the sound coming from the string? Is that illusion?

It seems to have been created through a principle of illusion, but the experience of the sound is very real to me.

Why?

I’m not sure. Maybe because the original string is real.

Maybe so.

In the beginning all was one, the one Great Life, we call God, the home in which we all dwelt. There was no form, but just a singularity, or a single string, so to speak. God plucked the string, or breathed outwardly, manifesting sound, or The Word which created the universe of form and duality.

Since duality is created by illusion does this mean the principle is not real?

No. The principle is real because duality had to exist within the mind of God for it to manifest. It is true that the string is one, but He who created sound from the string had duality as part of his being. Duality had to be a part of his reality before he could manifest form and duality. You cannot create that which is not inherent in you.

From a higher point of view complete oneness is illusion, just as duality seems to be illusion to some seekers here.

Duality and oneness are part of a great cycle used by the Source of all things in the process of eternal creation and creativity.

Yes, it can be argued that duality here is illusion and should be ignored, but what cannot be ignored is the reality of the experience. If you ignore heat and place your hand on a hot stove you will experience pain, which is real at the time you are experiencing it.

Dreams are also considered to be created by illusion, but if you dream that you lost your true love you would feel real sorrow that may linger after you wake up. That feeling was real even though the dream was created by apparent illusion.

Some of those who are too far into he nonduality idea disconnect themselves from this world to the extent that they do not have the experiences from which they came here to learn.

While in this world, up is up and down is down. Hot is hot and cold is cold. The rules may be different in other planes, but, while here, life is much better dealing with the rules of the game.

***

Clay:

My biggest critique of your use of duality and dualitic language is dividing humanity into a light and dark brotherhood.

JJ

And my biggest critique of you is how you mischaracterize my teachings. I do not think you can produce a quote from my millions of words where I divide humanity into light and dark brotherhoods.

What would be much more productive is to find some actual words I have written and then assess them.

Clay:

I personally do not believe in any dark brotherhood, but have encountered dark entities, but as I have mentioned, they are not people, they are thought forms that exist due to human thoughts, they do not possess any real (ontological existence).

JJ

These dark entities you note represent the Dweller on the Threshold of which I have written a lot.

Clay:

I think separating humans into light and dark brotherhoods is incredibly dangerous and potentially leads to great abuses.

JJ

I haven’t done this so your point is moot.

Clay:

I do no think it is useful to personal or societal growth. The only dark brotherhood anyone should be opposing is the darkness that resides within our own hearts.

JJ

Now you are moving into crazy talk. So if some guy is raping your wife you would sit in a corner and examine the darkness within you? Sounds pretty silly.

Clay:

It becomes far too easy to dismiss the arguments or even demonize those one disagrees with as being either under the influence or directly working for this dark brotherhood and this has been a technique of authoritarian regimes since civilization began.

JJ

You have a point there but this does not apply to me and is not the direction I take. I have never dismissed any argument in my life just because it seemingly comes from a dark side. As I said, if you are going to argue with me you need to ague with what I say and teach, not with what I do not say and teach.

Clay:

I try to avoid all division of humanity into forces of good and forces of evil.

JJ

I’d divide them into those who are quite misled on some true principles and others who are less misled.

Clay:

I do not think America is good or evil, I think we do good and evil actions, same with every other country.

JJ

I would agree, but I think you see a lot more evil in America than most.

Clay:

Each action should be viewed independently, and not ever granted the assumption we are right because we are America.

JJ

I would think that everyone on the Keys agrees with you here, just not with your intensity as you seem to see evil under every rock, despite the fact that you are against dividing us unto good and evil.

Clay:

I readily admit, I am not a patriot because I think Patriotism is a false religious system.

JJ

I merely see patriotism as giving my country the benefit of the doubt. It does indeed seem that you do not do this but go the extreme in demonizing it.

Clay:

I do not believe in my country good or bad, my party good or ill, or my religion good or ill.

JJ

I do not think anyone on the Keys has this attitude of blind acceptance of anything. That is why they are here. However, they are not going to demonize this or any other country without evidence and then balancing it against the whole.

Clay:

Jesus told me to love my neighbor as myself, not just my countrymen or fellow church goers, or those who hold the same ideology as me.

JJ

If you think that I do not agree with you here then that is perplexing indeed. You do however seem to really demonize me because I think differently than you in some matters. You are largely mistaken though because you do not seem to understand much of what I have taught.

Clay:

So while I may disagree with someone or even a party, I will never label them as evil, ever.

JJ

You are not very convincing here. You may not have used evil in relation to Bush, conservatives or America, but you really paint them as evil with the brush you use. A rose is a rose by any other name.

Clay:

Not even Hitler and Stalin. They are my brothers as well, misguided without a doubt, but not part of some evil cabal in war against the light. Most of your teachings I really have not problem with, but your heavy dualism about a dark and light brotherhood I find incredibly problematic and potentially dangerous. I do admit that this source of disagreement tends to bias me against some of your teachings that normally I would have little problem with an possibly agreement with.

JJ

It is evident that you have an extreme bias against me and much of it is unfounded.

I’ll soon write a post or two about my real views on light and dark with the hope of correct vision. Even though we have covered this many times a refresher course in new wording may shed additional light.

 

July 28, 2015

Light and Dark

Clay, I know you said your wife was reading the Immortal books I sent you, but have you actually read them all?

I hope you realize that to make an interesting story that you have to make a strong division between the good guys and the bad guys, the good and the evil so to speak. If not you may have been upset at George Lucas. Even though he is a political liberal as you his Star Wars stories illustrated some great truths, that wouldn’t have been possible without the great contrast.

A number of the encounters with dark forces in the books are based on true personal experiences, but with changed time frames and circumstances.

I have come close to the point of death in struggling against dark entities several times so I know whereof I speak. Fortunately, they do not have power just to point their fingers and destroy those who oppose them, but they can gather their forces and, when certain windows are open, unleash them on those who they think may be a problem.

Yes, I do believe in a Brotherhood of Light and a Dark Brotherhood, but these unseen organizations are not divisions of the human race. The masses of humanity know nothing about them and are not a part of them. The Brotherhood of Light are members of the fifth kingdom on this planet, the Masters of Wisdom, whose consciousness belongs to the Kingdom of God. Regular human mortals are members of the fourth kingdom.

The Dark Brotherhood consists of very intelligent beings, some of which are in the physical and some in etheric bodies. Paul spoke of these when he said,

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph 6:11-12

These are not mindless demons but intelligent entities that were once on the path of light and love but took a wrong turn on the path of selfishness.

There are two groups of people who do not accept a form of light or dark brotherhoods.

The first are the atheists who do not accept anything existences beyond the normal rage of perception.

The second believe in many spiritual realities beyond the physical, but are either just turned off by the idea of good and evil or have bought into some type of non duality teaching.

This second group needs to look at the logic of the reality that we know and apply it to what is generally not so well known. In other words, to find the truth we need to examine how things work in this world and then apply it to intelligences in the unseen worlds.

Here are some points of truth about humanity that are beyond refute.

(1) Wherever humans gather there will be created various hierarchies. A governing hierarchy will definitely manifest creating rules and structure. This will be followed by spiritual, business and social ones – all subject to the first.

Conclusion: It would make no sense that such hierarchies exist here consistently among humans and not in the unseen worlds. Wherever intelligent beings gather there will be hierarchy, on earth or in heaven, or wherever they may be.

(2) There are quite a number of natural divisions that occur among humanity such as:

1. Those who believe in God and the supernatural and those who do not.
2. Conservatives and liberals
3. Givers and takers
4. Responsible and irresponsible
5. Leaders and followers
6. Those who want to control others for their own purposes and those who desire maximum freedom for the human spirit.

Conclusion: If there are such ubiquitous divisions among all self conscious life here then it stands to reason that intelligent life, unseen to us, would also have divisions. Logic tells us that the closer we as a people get to the truth the more we will see eye to eye, but it appears that we as yet have a long way to go.

(3) The prime division among humanity that causes conflict is (F) and revolves around the Principle of Freedom. Those who violate this principle range from the person of good intention suggesting some unnecessary rule to the tyrant who orders complete submission with the option of prison or death. The majority supports a violation of this principle to some degree but will resist a major restriction when it affects their own lives.

Conclusion: We see these two poles manifest in various countries. North Korea is the best example of one that violates he Principle of Freedom and seeks for ultimate control of groups and individuals. Other groups such as the Taliban and ISIS are not far behind.

Numerous Western governments support freedom as an ideal though they are far from perfect in execution.

(4) Concerning the two sides of the freedom issue it is natural to place one on the side of good and the other evil or to classify one as enlightened (light) and the other as dark. Some resist labels because they seem to think they change something. They change nothing. A rose is a rose by any other name, but we do need to use names and labels to communicate correctly and the words should reflect reality as much as possible.

Conclusion: Good and evil are awkward words to use because the user goes by his own definition. For instance, in North Korea going against the iron will of the Dear Leader is seen to be evil. This view is seen as ridiculous to people in democratic nations who see such control as evil.

On the other hand, light and dark are quite appropriate. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the satellite photographs of North and South Korea from space. Take a look.

LINK

North Korea is almost completely dark and South Korea and the free nations are full of light.

Light is naturally associated with the freedom of the human spirit. He who functions in freedom feels light, light hearted, and seeks greater light and knowledge than he who is oppressed and controlled. Those who are controlled are often pressured to not seek greater light and knowledge or are punished for using it.

(5) If we realistically associate freedom with light and excess control with darkness we find that there are indeed organizations dedicated to both sides physically existing on the earth. North Korea and other organizations would definitely be classified as dark and others leaning to the light.

Conclusion: Where a duality manifests names must be applied to identify the two poles so understanding can be communicated. Those who refuse to name refuse to communicate effectively. Instead of light and dark we could use a number of different labels, but a rose is a rose under any other name. Light and dark are a lot more appropriate than many alternatives such as damaged/whole, good/evil, misled/on the right path, etc.

(6) We see then that there are organizations (we could even call them brotherhoods) dedicated to light and dark, freedom and control existing right here on this physical earth viewed with our very eyes and heard with our physical ears.

Conclusion: Since there are indeed rulers supporting the dark side of freedom right here on the earth, seen on the news regularly, then it stands to reason that Paul was correct that there does indeed exist “rulers of darkness” in the seen and unseen worlds that we must struggle against.

Paul also spoke of an organization called “the body of Christ” as one that represented light and love completing the duality and in the unseen world the Book of Hebrews speaks of “the general assembly and church of the firstborn.”

If there are those representing light and dark all round us in the world that we see then it stands to reason that the same could exist, but on a higher turn of the spiral in the unseen.

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Source Material

Clay:

DK I do not believe is any sort of Tibetan Master as her/his alleged teachings just resemble typical western esoteric occult teachings and bear zero resemblance to any high level Tibetan theology or practices that have since come out since Baileys time.

JJ

You said you read around 100 pages of the free Bailey book I recommended. This statement makes me doubt even that. On the other hand, you recommended to me Meditations on the Tarot which I had to go out of my way and purchase. Instead of giving it a half hearted effort (in order to understand your belief system) I read the whole thing which was 665 pages of small print. As I told you it contained some good material. But what I did not do, in an attempt to be courteous was not compare it to the Bailey writings. Because of your jaundice eye expressions toward Bailey I will now give a wider view which is this.

If this is the best book you can come up to illustrate enlightenment then you need to search further. The book is fine for beginners who are just starting their search, but it brings no new light on any principle. If it does perhaps you can point it out. It gives lots of data that may or may not be true. The advantage of dealing with principles is that they are easily recognized as truth by the soul.

One page of the Bailey material has more enlightenment that the whole book of 665 pages you recommended. The problem with the Bailey writings for those who just scratch the surface of things is that there is a lot of depth that can only be fully accessed by deep contemplation. Those who do not want to focus will just dismiss their value.

When you first came on board you talked about how the ceremonies in the Catholic Church had great meaning for you. I see little value in them but thought that if they have meaning for you that is fine. If I had your attitude that you express toward me I would have belittled your ceremonies and written pages about how silly and unreasonable they are.

The difference between you and me is I could make a good case of this, but you cannot make a good case against the Bailey writings or my own. You never quote them but just nebulously attack them as a whole.

Clay

So part of the problem again is the source material that JJ and I utilize. I rely on te great mystics from Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism, Taoism, and Christianity,

JJ

I study a wide variety of materials, but my source of truth is the soul. It matters not whether the material was written by God or the devil himself; the soul cannot be fooled and can find truth anywhere.

Many of my teachings are found in no book on the planet. I just do not read someone else and copy and paste or just put my spin on it. I attempt to tune into my soul and write under its guidance.

Clay:

However, first and foremost, I value critical thought above supporting any belief I hold.

JJ

And I place great value on critical thought. Any truth, even those not found in any book, must eventually pass the test of critical thinking.

All truth will pass the test of critical thinking, but critical thinking alone overlooks many things that are true.

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Finding the True Teachings

Clay:

JJ please refute that Bailey presents anything resembling esoteric Buddhism from Mahamudra Tantra and Vjarana Tantra and I will retract my statements about Bailey.

JJ

There is very little overlap in the two teachings. The teachings you mention have nothing about the rules of White Magic in the book you started. DK teaches an enormous amount about the Seven Rays which are not covered in the Tantra teachings, nor are his teachings about the hierarchies, the brotherhoods, esoteric astrology, esoteric psychology, cosmic fire, Sirius, the reappearance of Christ and many other things.

What is there about the two teachings you consider to be of such strong resemblance???

Clay

No I have not read most of her works but from what I did read, it resembled Western Esoterism of which Bailey was a student and bore no semblance to esoteric Buddhism, which Bailey was not familiar with.

JJ

Who cares if it resembles the east or the west? I only care if the writings register with my soul no matter where they are from.

Clay

Based upon this judgment I took DK to not be a real “master” but a product of Baileys subconscious.

JJ

I’d like you to show me any more profound writings. Your book on the Tarot was kindergarten by comparison. All you have done here is tear apart. Do you have anything edifying to present here that can be of value to those treading the path?

Please do not respond by giving a list of books. Anyone can do that.

Clay

Baileys teachings seems derived almost entirely from Theosophy, western Occultism, and very little on true Tibetan esoterisim, again which is only now starting to come out.

JJ

You overlook the most important attribute of a true seeker. He doesn’t ask “by what authority?” Instead he runs teachings by his soul and goes by what registers as true, no matter what the source.

Bailey’s writings comment on a number of points from Theosophy and then expands on them, but mostly adds new material not found there.

Clay:

My guess is that had Bailey actually channeled a Tibetan Master, he would have had some access to these, at the time, unknown teachings, but it seems very much in line with what the general state of knowledge was regarding Tibetan Buddhism at her time.

JJ

The writings have little resemblance to Tibetan Buddhism at the time. Most of the teachings are found nowhere else and do not resemble anything I have found east or west.

Clay:

Since most of your teachings seem to rely upon Bailey, Theosophy, and Smith, I think it is fair to say that your theology and cosmology is derived from these systems, which again, I do not consider trustworthy.

JJ

I quote sources now and then and elaborate on them but my writings rely on communion with my own soul and are found in no book. Of the millions of words of teachings I have in the archives written by my they all are either new or present an expanded way of interpreting the old.

Instead of just discounting things because they do not have the proper credentials for you why not trust your own inner soul to guide you to the truth?

Clay:

You are a nice guy again JJ, but you like me are not chosen, not special, and not a danger to the dark. It is a just a phase of development and you have no special mission to the world. If you want to teach, by all means teach, but drop the messiah act.

JJ

You have pointed out a number of times how I am not special, not chosen, not a messiah etc. Why do you make such unfounded inflammatory insinuations of my thinking with no basis in fact? Perhaps the thing that differentiates me from most other spiritual teachers is that I make no such claims about myself and have stated this dozens of times, yet you, time and time again, try to take me down a notch insinuating I cling to specialness.

Please, please, please, argue with what I say. Not with what I do not say. I do not like to waste time defending myself against something I do not say, do, or believe.

Also, you never responded to my logic that if supporters of light and dark exist in this realm then, it is most probably they exist in others. Is human thinking so different from the rest of the universe that we are the only ones who have supporters and opponents of freedom?

In addition, you never confirmed that you actually read my books I sent you.

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Clay:

Also, these Internet forums are amazing. So far I have met , James the brother of Jesus, a person under discipleship to the beloved apostle John and a representative of the brotherhood of light, and the amazing Brown Brothers who have somehow discovered the key to eternal physical existence based upon their understanding of the Bible. Nope, no exaggerated egos on the Internet.

JJ

You are being unjust here. You cannot find anywhere that I have made the claims you falsely accuse me of.

Please argue with what I say, not with what I do not say.

It is interesting that in arguing with you that I quote your exact words, but when you argue with me you just throw out whatever you think I think.

Clay:

Lol. I might act arrogant, but I definitely am much more humble in my claims.

JJ

Yeah, and this comes from the guy who just told us he saw Jesus and knows the rest of us are wrong because he is special enough to have gone beyond duality to merge with the absolute – beyond duality.

Clay:

Also be careful about simply registering truth through your soul, we are absolutely best at deceiving ourselves. We are the best liars to ourselves. That is why I always seek conform my truths, not just accept them because they feel satisfying.

JJ

It sounds like you have never had a soul experience for what you describe is someone who receives from his emotional nature which indeed is deceptive. The soul, or your Higher Self, is the closest thing to infallibility and mine has never led me astray yet – though I have really questioned it at the time.

The soul is much more reliable than conclusions derived from critical thought but in the end always agrees with logic and reason. Truth s always reasonable.

Clay:

Again, I absolutely loved the teachings of Doctor Emoto and I wanted very much to believe him, it just turns out he is a charlatan, but I could have ignored all the evidence against him because his teachings felt “true” to me, or maybe I just wanted to believe them? Always watch out for confirmation bias, it is a subtle foe.

JJ

My soul never confirmed that Emoto was accurate though it does confirm that one’s thoughts can leave subtle impressions on water and other elements and there is some truth behind the Catholic belief in holy water.

Clay:

Also JJ, not to be rude, but what exactly do you teach that is not taught anywhere else on the planet? I have not come across anything you have written that I have not read elsewhere before.

JJ

Most days I teach something that has not been taught before. Did you read my post just this morning on Light and Dark?

Where else have you seen such an argument presented for the existence of light and dark beyond the physical?

The idea presented is that that there is definitely light and dark on this planet and it exists here in many forms. Then by the Law of Correspondences it logically must exist in non physical spheres.

The six points giving reasoning for this conclusion are found nowhere else.

The statement, “Those who refuse to name refuse to communicate effectively,” is a thought I have seen nowhere else and this is just one average post.

On a deeper level perhaps the most profound new teaching I have given out is The Molecular Relationship.

Other interesting ones are:

The gathering principle

The Grand Tour in Book Four of the Immortal gives a view of the microcosm, macrocosm and time not found anywhere else.

Teachings on the beast.

The interpretation of the Book of Revelation and Daniel Chapter Two much different than any other writer.

The teachings on the value of principles being the language of the soul and their values in pursuing the truth.

The Song of the 144,000

The interpretation of the name of Jesus Christ.

The Molecular Business

Molecular Politics

Project Peace and Goodwill

The male-female charges and their cycles

The meaning of the twelve fruits of the tree of life

The mystery of 1+1=1

The Keys of knowledge, numerous new principles and hundreds of other things.

I am answering this not to proclaim specialness as you claim, but merely supplying facts you asked for. The fact that I have writings that I believe to be helpful is no reason to meanly accusing me of having a Messiah complex. Many writers think they have produced something helpful for mankind and want to see them circulated and understood.

There are a lot of teachings out there I haven’t read but rarely do I teach something that I believe to be new that I find clearly explained anywhere else.

To me this is a testimony of the power of soul contact and my wish is that the new teachings inspire others to believe they can achieve the same thing.

Clay

Again JJ this seems to be your ego wanting to be very special again. I suggest again, go and read Saint John of the cross and Theresa of Avila, they both discuss your phase of spiritual development…

JJ

And what stage of development are you in most holy and wise and special one? Perhaps you could drop a few crumbs of truth for the rest of us?

I’ve read all Tolle’s works and was not impressed as you seem to be. His explanation of the pain body was taught in much more usable form by L. Ron Hubbard in the Fifties. Hubbard called it the Reactive Body.

Clay

If you have any proof of any dark brotherhood I am all ears,

JJ

The Law of Correspondences presents pretty solid evidence.

Your only argument against them is dead mystics and you don’t even quote what any say about the matter. You just expect us to believe that all back you up. You were wrong about Krishna backing up your beliefs, for he was an advocate of war to Ajuna. Oh, and you had a common mystical experience and that gives you more authority than the rest of us.

Clay

But there is no literal dark brotherhood or lord of darkness. Not even Hitler, or Stalin, or Genghis Kahn. There has never been any secret brotherhood on either side guiding humanity or opposing it.

JJ

And we should believe you why?

Because you say so. You supply no evidence you are right. Outside of Hitler and maybe Genghis Kahn most other bad guys were just thugs and pawns.

The thugs may seem as dangerous to the casual observer but Hitler was he only tyrant who had power to set up a kingdom that would enslave mankind for a thousand years as he openly stated.

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To Clay – When accusing me of any claims I made you need to refer to my non fiction writings. In any story the author tries to make the hero bigger than life.

In all I make no unusual claim about my writings or myself. My claim is that they are put out there for people to read and run by their own souls. If their souls verify any parts of them fine, and if not fine. The only authority used is the power of the words themselves. I do not claim to be a messiah, a great soul reincarnated that must be believed, or that my words are approved by Jesus, God or whatever. I do not even give mystical experiences as proof that I am correct as you have done.

You come across a really nit picky in your unjust accusations based on my fictionalized books and your bias.

Clay

So when it comes to the reality of your dark brotherhood and your cosmologies, Ockhams razor would indicate that Jung and Campbell’s approach that these are subconscious manisfestations and not super natural entities are at work.

JJ

Jung is an odd example for you to give since he had visions of Jesus and Elijah and channeled an entity called Philemon. He was often seen talking with this invisible entity by passing people.

I found Campbell quite boring and uninspiring.

I assume you are referring to Occam’s razor. So are you saying that this principle disproves the reality of higher beings and realities. Were you lying then when you told us of your mystical experiences and meeting Jesus? Your use of this in arguing against me would also discount your belief system so it appears you are attacking your own beliefs here.

Occam’s Razor tells us that the simplest, least complicated answer is generally to be the most trusted.

What I have written on the brotherhood is the simplest because it is in harmony with the Law of Correspondences. A simple analogy usually points to the simplest answer.

Clay

You claim to be a big believer in logic, well DKs system iviokates fundamental principles in logic by his almost limitless numbers of supernatural beings and levels and masters he proposes.

JJ

You sound like an atheist here. Are you saying that you do not believe in an afterlife composed of supernatural beings? If so I am amazed that you regularly attend a church that believes in all kinds of supernatural beings and realms.

Clay

So ask is it logical to presume the existence of so many supernatural entities, which flies in direct opposition to Ockhams razor.

JJ

Occam’s Razor would only questionably apply here if you are an atheist and reject, God, higher worlds and an afterlife. If one accepts the existence of unseen worlds then Occam’s Razor would lead one to accept the teachings I support.

Clay,

I would also like you to address how Krisnamurti is devastating to theosophy’s claims of Hidden masters, as he being their child prodigy and chosen world teacher of the theosophical movement, repudiated the Theosophy society, and all hidden masters as being non-existent. If you have not read Krisnamurti, he repudiates almost everything that theosophy teaches and he was raised inside the theosophy movement and chosen to be their “visible master”. I think he is devastating to theosophy claims.

JJ

I’ve always thought that the Theosophists were wrong about Krishnamurti

Clay

Also, JJ tried to argue based upon logic based upon earthly hierarchies, but a basic rule of logic is Ockhams razor, in that one does not insert supernatural beings where natural explanations suffice.

JJ

If you are an atheist and discount the higher worlds then you may have a point. If you are going to use this argument you should cease from telling us how you met Jesus and the Absolute beyond duality.

 

July 29, 2015

More on Duality, Dark and Light

Clay:

Alright JJ I will permanently demolish your argument of a dark brotherhood with your only valid point, the law of correspondences.

JJ

Ohhh, I am so scared. …And surprised you noted that I have a valid point. Progress perhaps?

Clay:

There is no such thing as darkness, it has no existence ontologically. It is simply the absence of existence or in this case light, it is not a something, it is a nothing, therefore unreal, non-existent.

JJ

Look up in the sky at the darkness between the stars. Why do you not see light when there is light there? When astronauts are in space the space around them is bathed with the sun’s light, but no light is seen. In the distance wherein there are trillions of rays of light from the sun only darkness is seen.

If darkness is only caused by absence of light then space should be full of visible light, and not be dark, because space is full of light. It is not until light falls upon form and there is a contrast between light and dark that light can be seen.

Neither light or dark has any meaning without both of them being in existence.

Clay:

Same with cold, it is the absence of heat, it is not an existent being.

JJ

Who in the world says heat is an existent being?

Hot and cold are caused by the frequency of the vibration of matter. The higher the vibration, or the wavelength created, the hotter it gets and it gets colder with a low frequency. Both hot and cold are caused by the frequency of the vibration which corresponds to up and down. If it goes up it gets hotter and if it goes down it gets colder. To say there is no cold or hot is to say there is no up or down. Cold and hot, up and down must both be here for either to exist and they are both here because we live in a universe of duality.

To say there is no possibility of a dark brother is to say there is no such thing as a being of light.

In this world of duality all the opposites are relative to some defined point. For hot and cold we could say that point is 68 degrees F. For up and down you could pick the point at sea level.

The same goes for light and dark as far as our application goes. We have to pick a point that divides the two. That point is the realization of the principle of freedom. The further you get from this the darker will be the mind and the closer you get the greater will be the light manifest.

If we have beings with a near perfect understanding who apply the principle then we must have the possibility of the existence of others who do not embrace this and are in darkness, or do not see that it should be applied to all on an equal opportunity basis.

Now in the ancient past humans did not have a well defined concept of maximum freedom so the defined point that divided light and dark was in a different place. Just as some may place the division between hot and cold at zero degrees F we used to have a different dividing point between light and dark, good and evil. It used to be that submission to authority was the side of light and rejection was the dark.

Now we have moved our point of reference, that which is considered light and dark has changed. Moving toward the light is now moving toward greater freedom. Moving towards blind submission to authority is now the path of darkness.

To say there is not Brotherhood of Light or Darkness is to say that there is no one joined together to support either freedom or strong control that takes it away.

Again, you make no sense.

Clay:

Game, set, match. Your dark brotherhood is a nothing, they are not real, just like the darkness you claim they represent.

JJ

Dream on. I just destroyed your false premise.

Clay

Also you keep telling me to believe in a dark brotherhood because you say so

JJ

Completely false. I do not care what you believe. I’m only talking about my least favorite subject (dark brothers) because you incessantly bring it up again and again as one possessed with the idea.

Clay:

and I say I will when you supply proof of their existence.

JJ

Turn on the news. You’ll see lots of people supporting the suppression of freedom. The only unknown to the many is how high the support of this idea goes.

Clay

I long ago gave up believing anything just on someone’s say so.

JJ

Yet you tell us you do not believe in dark brothers because of what others (mystics) say.

Clay:

It also does not line up with any of my personal experience.

JJ

Sounds like you are saying that your personal experience must have searched out all lives on all planes and found no organization anywhere that would suppress freedom for their own selfish ends.

What a guy.

Here is the personal experience of my Great Great Grandfather from his journal as an early LDS missionary that the Absolute didn’t tell you about:

“The prospect in London at that time was the darkest it had ever been in since entering the vineyard; but the Lord was with us, and we were not discouraged. On Sunday we met with the Saints three times at Brother Corner’s, read the Book of Mormon, gave instruction, and broke bread unto them. We had a good time, though there were only about half a dozen present. I felt the spirit bear testimony that there would be a work done in London.

“Having retired to rest in good season, I fell asleep and slept until midnight, when I awoke and meditated upon the things of God until 3 o’clock in the morning; and, while forming a determination to warn the people in London and by the assistance and inspiration of God to overcome the power of darkness, a person appeared to me, whom I consider was the prince of darkness. He made war upon me, and attempted to take my life. As he was about to overcome me I prayed to the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, for help. I then had power over him and he left me, though I was much wounded. Afterwards three persons dressed in white came to me and prayed with me, and I was healed immediately of all my wounds, and delivered of all my troubles.

Wilford Woodruff By Matthias F. Cowley, Page 130

So, by your thinking, he suffered physical wounds just because there was darkness inside of him. Does not compute.

Clay:

Also, Jiddu Krishna Murti (the chosen world teacher of global theosophy , totally repudiated theosophy and the existence of any hidden masters and he was supposed to be the first visible master selected by theosophy. Again, I asked you to address how damaging Krisna Murti is to theosophical ideas of hidden masters such as DK as he claims that they do not exist. I would say he is my best evidence against your claims as the golden child of the theosophical movement totally rejected it. So why should I believe anything about channeled masters and esoteric dark brotherhoods?

JJ

He certainly was not damaging to any teaching I support. He had a falling out with the Theosophy of that time, which I probably would have too in the same situation. Instead of repudiating the existence of masters he supported it. Here are a couple quotes:

We all believe that the Masters exist, that they are somewhere, and are concerned about us ; but this belief is not living enough, not real enough to make us change.

Even though their existence be a fact, it is of no importance; for to understand you must be independent, you must stand by yourself, completely naked, stripped of all security.

He was born after HPB died so he could give no first hand testimony of any contact she had.

Clay

Also JJ you are stuck between the purgative and the illuminative state.

JJ

You do not seem to have a clue about my consciousness so if I were you I would follow the advice of Jesus and cease from judgment that may comde back to haunt you.

Clay

Finally I find it very amusing that you condemn me for relying upon “dead mystics” but you rely upon a channeled mystic from a dead channeler.

JJ

I’ve never condemned anyone in my life and I rely on my soul for what I believe. You say you rely on mystics and tradition as you give their names to support your beliefs.

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Clay:

JJ you truly do not understand Ockhams razor. I really suggest you go read it.

JJ

I think I understand it just fine. I understand it doesn’t always rule out the supernatural, but in the context you were using it, it would.

Clay

You however violate every rule of logic by assuming supernatural beings instead of taking the logical approach and concluding that they are subconscious manifestations.

JJ

And who is this “they” you are talking about? Many things people ascribe to the supernatural is from their own minds. This does not mean that there are no such things as supernatural beings. If you look deep enough you will discover that you are a supernatural being.

It is strange. You tell us of supernatural accounts in your life and then argue against supernatural things. You come across as very inconsistent.

Clay:

So tell me JJ, why should is elect DK’s cosmology over Saint Thomas Aquinas or Diontmysus the Aerogapitr (the preeminent and foundational Christian mystic) or how about Jaob Bohme? I am totally intrigued by Bohmes mystical cosmology and his writing is absolutely soaring? So why DK and not these other equally profound teachers? Or how about Allan’s favorite, Gurdjieff?

JJ

Your question is too general and broad. If you can come up with something specific to compare then I could intelligently comment.

I handle DK just like I do any other teacher. I run the words by my soul and mind. They must pass the inner test before I fully accept them. I must relate them to principles I know to be true.

Clay:

Finally I never claimed that the Jesus I saw was real, it could have just been a projection of my higher soul self as Allan claims…

JJ

I was just quoting you. However you saw Jesus it was not natural.

One with soul contact can find more truth in the National Enquirer than one who is in illusion can find in the Bible. (Quote from the archives)

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Heat and Cold

Richard: Sorry to be picky JJ but that is incorrect. Heat comes from the translational motion of molecules, not their vibration. But otherwise what you say about hot and cold is scientifically correct.

JJ

My understanding is that the molecules both move and vibrate faster when heated, especially in gas and liquid, but in a solid like steel it would mostly affect vibration. Here are comments from three science sites:

Thermal energy can be transferred to other objects causing them to heat up. When you heat up a pan of water, the heat from the stove causes the molecules in the pan to vibrate faster causing the pan to heat up. The heat from the pan causes water molecules to move faster and heat up. So, when you heat something up, you are just making its molecules move faster.

LINK

When heat is added to a substance, the molecules and atoms vibrate faster. As atoms vibrate faster, the space between atoms increases. The motion and spacing of the particles determines the state of matter of the substance. The end result of increased molecular motion is that the object expands and takes up more space.

Mass of the object remains the same, however. Solids, liquids and gases all expand when heat is added. When heat leaves all substances, the molecules vibrate slower. The atoms can get closer which results in the matter contracting.

LINK

Here added heat is compared to sound waves:

sound waves have a much longer wavelength (at least in the range of some millimetres) than thermal phonons (not more than a few orders of magnitude bigger than the atomic lattice scale). These small-wavelength phonons can easily scatter at any lattice impurities, while the sound waves need macroscopic pertubations (like air gaps in an insulated glazing) to do so.

LINK

Always happy to be corrected as I like to be technically accurate.

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Joshua

Looking at the Dark Side

I had some questions though about some things you said.

You say:

The Dark Brotherhood consists of very intelligent beings, some of which are in the physical and some in etheric bodies.

Joshua:

I thought the Dark Brothers existed in their astral bodies and I believe you wrote in the past that by meditating they could manifest an image or a temporary vehicle on the etheric plane. So did you mean to say astral here or do they have permanent etheric bodies that they are able to maintain indefinitely?

JJ

First, let me apologize for taking so long to get back to you. As you may have noticed Clay has kept me pretty busy, but I should never be too busy for good friends.

You bring up an area on which I have been doing some extra contemplation and I believe I have developed a fuller picture on the subject.

DK says this about the astral plane:

The secret science of the Master of the Wisdom is the secret of how to dissipate the fogs and mist and darkness and gloom which are produced by the union of the fires in the early stages. The secret of the Master is the discovery that there is no astral plane; he finds that the astral plane is a figment of the imagination and has been created through the uncontrolled use of the creative imagination and the misuse of the magical powers.

A Treatise on White Magic, Pg 615

He further states that the astral plane only seems real for the human kingdom and it is created through the interplay of the mind and etheric matter.

Here is my conclusion about the dark brothers out of incarnation. Their consciousness is indeed astral but they dwell in etheric bodies, or in some cases bodies more dense than physical in what is called the Eighth Sphere where they are in the process of disintegration, or one interpretation of the Second Death. They project their consciousness into the astral world where their thoughtforms can interact with humanity.

Joshua

The way you state that some are in etheric and some are in physical bodies make its sound like there is a somewhat even distribution between those in the dense physical and those who aren’t. You may not have meant that, but I’ll ask my question any way just in case.

JJ

I do not know the percentage of distribution but DK does indicate that some of them are in dense physical bodies as he describes the race of a couple of them

We can use the Law of Correspondences to guide us here, A pilgrim becomes a Master after he passes the Fifth Initiation. Some of those who become masters retain their physical bodies, as did DK, to assist humanity, but others go to higher planes for other work. Those who remain in the physical have power to extend their lives in that body until their mission is complete.

Correspondingly, the Dark Brother may have some type of initiation process that gives them powers, but instead of the powers of the soul it would be seemingly magical powers on the physical and astral planes. It is quite possible he has a similar power to extend his life.

We have quite a few details about their goals and how they work, but not many about their group and form nature.

Joshua

My understanding was that the true Dark Brother was quite rare in a physical body, because the lifetime when the physical permanent atom is destroyed and the left hand path is fully and consciously chosen is the only lifetime where a dark brother can have a physical body. After that he exists on in the astral body(or if what you said above wasn’t a typo the etheric body) and can only take full possession of the physical body or a clone of an initiate who has made steps along the dark path.

JJ

I think you are right that he only lives in the one physical body, but some have gained the power to extend their lives. If someone like Hitler gained control of the planet and killed off all the lights the vibration would be low enough to allow some to incarnate again.

Joshua

Both of these instances would seem to be exceedingly rare. Maybe you are including people going down the dark path who are not yet beyond redemption as well. In my understanding they aren’t Dark brothers yet, and I believe both you and DK have said something along the lines of, if there is the smallest amount of goodness or compassion in your heart you are not yet a dark brother.

JJ

The development of any type of real dark brother is a rare occurrence as the soul works with all its incarnations with great diligence. A Dark Brother is one who consciously cuts himself off from all contact with his soul and most turn around before the point of no return is reached. Anyone, even those who are in great illusion, have not yet chosen the dark path if they have any love in their heart for their fellow men and women.

 

July 30, 2015

Bad Guys

Clay:

Another rule of debate is that an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence, and so far you have produced absolutely zero evidence for the existence of any dark brotherhood.

JJ

There is plenty of evidence, as there are bad guys organized all over the planet seeking to take away freedom. No one in his right mind would argue against such a thing. It is obvious that there are some organizations good and bad that the public does not know about.

Why do we have to keep repeating ourselves here when you do not make any good argument to refute this? Instead you just declare this concept to be wrong. I know you apologized, but this repetition is annoying. The class would like to learn some new stuff.

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The Fate of the Bad Guys

Ruth had some questions

When Judas betrayed Jesus and Jesus was tortured and murdered, was this the direct result of the Dark Brotherhood, because they only go after those who can bring in significant light or who are high initiates or Disciples or even Masters of the Brotherhood of Light?

JJ

The result of all our actions are always our own decisions. Of course, we are all subject to visible and invisible or subtle influences and all must deal with them to some extent.

The average person in ordinary circumstances draws no attention from one evolved on the Left. A person has to be useful to him or a threat. Probably 99% of what people think is satanic influences upon them come from their own thoughtforms or Dweller.

Concerning Judas it is written:

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. John 6:70-71

Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. John 13:26

There were definitely invisible intelligences interested in using Judas as a pawn.

Now, there are a lot of teachers, such a Gurdjieff, who believe that Judas was the most evolved of the disciples and volunteered for this mission out of love. He claims that for the Last Supper Jesus needed to have Satan out of the picture and that by tricking him into entering into Judas that they could thus have their last meeting in peace and get closer to the love of God than any time in history.

The recently discovered Gospel of Judas also supports the idea that Judas was the best of the lot. It maintains that he was the only one of the Twelve that would have eternal life, while the rest would die physical and spiritually. That alone makes it suspicious. The text has been dated to 280 AD, during which time many odd teachings and gospels surfaced from people’s imagination.

I think the gospel story is fairly accurate on this, that one disciple was particularly out of harmony. In reality you have at least one out of twelve people who turn out to be a problem, no matter how careful you are in selecting them. Gurdjieff was right in the idea that getting the negative out of the way was useful. Just like a flock of geese can fly no faster than the slowest goose, a group can reach no higher than the person who is of the lowest vibration. One negative person in a group can prevent the whole group from making soul contact as a group. To take a group to a high point of spiritual consciousness one needs to make sure all in the group are in harmony and completely free of grievance toward anyone else in the group.

With Judas and his grievances out of the way the group could touch the spirit at the Last Supper in a way that could not be accomplished with him in attendance. I’m sure the Eleven had fond memories of the spiritual feelings they had at that event that followed them throughout their lives.

Many think that every detail had to play out as it did for Jesus to accomplish his mission, but such is not the case. For instance, Jesus could have arranged to be captured even if there was no betrayal. The betrayal certainly makes the story have more bite to it, however.

Ruth:

However, I would like to know what really went on behind the scenes and why back then?

JJ

Unfortunately, I have not focused in his life on developing the ability to read all the historical records from the Akashic records and those who claim access all produce different accounts. When we return to our souls we will have access to all true history. I am sure we spend quite a bit of time in the Hall of Records between lives. Probably a lot of people check out who killed JFK shortly after arriving there.

Ruth

Also in the case of Hitler, when he died, did he also receive a soul life review of all the evil that he did?

JJ

If he returned to his soul he did, but if not then he would be dwelling with other like minded souls of his wavelength.

Ruth

Did Hitler chose to become this person in his soul life plan before he reincarnated in that life?

JJ

We all plan our lives but often, because free will, we make decisions that takes us on a darker path than was planned. Many see in their life’s plan that they will be in difficult circumstances, such as being born in North Korea, but such circumstances are essential for the lessons needed and to balance off karma.

Ruth:

I would assume that Hitler was in a lower realm of the afterlife when he died and was surrounded by other murderers, so when he reincarnates again, and plans his next life with his soul, then what would stop him from becoming another Hitler type again in his next lifetime, after being surrounded by murderers in the afterlife? His conscious? His soul life review at death?

JJ

Assuming enough of his essence returned to the soul so another personality could be incarnated another personality from Hitler’s soul could be born. If this happened, the personality could be quite different from the original Hitler, and hopefully not as destructive. If Hitler is in the physical today he is most likely a Jew living in dangerous circumstances to diffuse his negative feelings toward that people.

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More Arguments of Clay

JJ

Sigh. Clay insists on continuing to beat this dead horse and if I knew what was good for me I would ignore him, but it is interesting to see how long he can say the same thing over and over with slight word changes before he tires out.

The only benefit here is we do manage to shed some light on a few things.

I also encountered this challenge with Allan and an end was never reached.

Clay:

Pointing out human organizations who engage in harmful actions is zero proof of any dark brotherhood.

JJ

Sure it is. If those who desire to limit freedom exist in organizations on one level of intelligence then they will exist on another. We see that these people exist among all levels of known intelligence. Why that you would think otherwise is devoid of any explanation in your words.

This is powerful evidence that a dark brotherhood exists and you have absolutely no evidence that none exists. You keep challenging me for evidence and I deliver, but where is yours?

You have none. Nothing. Darkness. Nothing to be seen here.

Clay

I contend, no one would willingly choose to side with the darkness if they were equally convinced that the side of light existed.

JJ

Obviously, you know nothing about what the two brotherhoods are about or you would not be saying this.

Everyone chooses that which they see to be in their bests interests and members of both brotherhoods think they are choosing the best path for them. If we define light as the result of choosing correctly both groups think they are in the light just as the political left and right both think they are the most enlightened.

This is why it is essential to define the demarcation between he two, the most important of which is the Principle of Freedom. The dark side seeks to limit it and control others to fulfill their own selfish desires and the side of light seeks for maximum individual and group freedom, even if some of their personality desires have to be sacrificed.

The satellite photos show that the North Koreans dwell in great physical darkness symbolic of their spiritual darkness. Do they see themselves as dwelling in darkness and other countries as being in a greater light?

No. They think they represent the greatest light on the earth and desire to convert the rest of us by force to accept their supposedly wonderful way of life.

People cannot see light above their level of vision, but can see the degrees below. Those who are above the level of vision of the North Koreans can see the darkness in which they dwell, but to North Koreans the dim light in which they see seems to be the greatest there is.

Clay:

I don’t think that there is a single organization on the planet that is a brotherhood of darkness and are intentional working to defeat the light.

JJ

There’s a number of them. ISIS is a dark brotherhood who wants to limit human freedom (the light) and establish a world wide state that swill establish a dark rule where freedom is extremely limited. If they ruled the world a satellite photo of the planet would show most of the lights to be turned out as in North Korea at present.

Of course, like the North Koreans, they think they are in the light because that is the level of vision they are at.

Clay

They are organized either out of totally selfish motives,

JJ

You just described the motive of the dark brothers.

Clay

So, no JJ, I don’t believe in your Dark brotherhood. I believe sometimes people having very misguided ideas of right and wrong and how to achieve the greatest good.

JJ

Okay, let us change the name from “dark brothers” to “people having very misguided ideas of right and wrong and how to achieve the greatest good.”

This is very close to words I have used in the past to describe hem.

Clay:

So again JJ, show me your evidence and I will consider it.

JJ

I’ve shown you mine but you have not shown me yours. You have absolutely no proof that an organization, unknown to the masses, exists that has plans to limit human freedom to further their own selfish ends. None at all…

This must be embarrassing for you.

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!” Matt 6:22-23

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Aug 1, 2015

Seeing by Darkness

Here is an interesting logical challenge for those who wish to argue that there is no such thing as darkness, dark entities or a dark brotherhood.

According to this belief there is no darkness anywhere so of course there are no dark individuals or brotherhoods anywhere.

BUT… what I have presented is not using such not-found-in-the-dictionary definition of terms. When I write I use the common definition of words as understood by the masses unless stated otherwise.

I use light and dark in reference to people’s minds in the same way that Jesus did in this verse:

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!” Matt 6:22-23

“Single” comes from the Greek HAPLOÛS which indicates unity, focus and wholeness. Its corresponding noun is HAPLOTĒS and the adverb form is HAPLŌS. These words often imply a generous spirit.

Some scholars equate it with ancient Jewish sources speaking of the “good eye” which was an idiom for a generous spirit. For instance in Proverbs 22:9 we read:

He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.

“Bountiful” comes from the Hebrew TOWB which can be translated as good, generous and joyful among others. It definitely implies a positive and generous attitude.

“Single” here is also commonly interpreted to mean “single to the glory of God,” or “single to that which is good.” The expanded meaning would imply a focus on giving of oneself in service. This is obviously the direction intended as the opposite direction mentioned is “But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness.”

“Evil” here is translated from the Greek PONĒRÓS. Strong’s gives the core meaning as being “hurtful.” Thayers describes the meaning as “Full of annoyances, hardships, pressed and harassed by labors … Bringing toils, annoyances, perils.”

The Septuagint usage implies a grudging person lacking of generosity.

So, Jesus was saying that if our eye or focus is on selfishness, bringing others hardship, apparently for one’s own benefit (evil) we will be full of darkness, but if we do the opposite and have a single purpose of helping others and bringing glory to God and not the self then we will be full of light.

Jesus makes an interesting statement about darkness. He says, “If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness.”

Ponder on this for a moment for it presents an interesting thought.

What does he mean here? How can light be darkness? Isn’t light just light and dark just dark? How can a light within you be darkness?

The answer is quite simple though I haven’t seen it presented before.

Light is the means by which we see and discern what is real and true. If our eye be single and focused on the good and seek to help others then we take in and use real light from God and see reality as it truly is.

On the other hand, if the eye is turned, not outward, but inward toward self, the true light enters not and in place of light that reveals truth the poor soul is filled with great darkness, according to Jesus.

But here is the interesting thing. The light that is within him is darkness. In other words, the guy dwelling in darkness, doesn’t see himself as being in darkness because darkness is the light by which he sees. To him, darkness is light.

So how could darkness be light? Isn’t it impossible to see anything in darkness?

The key to understanding this is that the light Jesus is referring to is not sunlight, but he inner light that reveals truth. One who is truly focused on the good the beautiful and the true will see by the true inner light. One who is focused on the desires of the lower self will see by other means, and that other means is called by Jesus, darkness.

He who is consumed by great inner darkness will have to use the outer lights of the physical and emotional worlds for vision. Using these alone is spiritual darkness compared to the disciple who sees by the inner light above the outer.

The problem for the one in darkness who may be a surface student of the inner is that he can see himself as guided by an inner light as it seems that he looks within to find the astral/emotional light.

The problem is that this astral light is even more deceptive than the physical and turns everything upside down so what is seen is either through a fog or reversed from true reality.

It is interesting that we find people, highly intelligent in nature, who rely on the true light as well as the darkness. This is why we see about us many intelligent people taking different sides of an issue, which, to the one with the inner light is a no-brainer to see it for what it is.

Attempting to see with physical eyes only through the filter of the emotional self is truly seeing in darkness or the attempt to use darkness as a light. The inner light is so powerful that by comparison all lights in the physical and astral are darkness.

The gospels speak of light and darkness a number of other times. Here was a description of the mission of John the Baptist:

To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. Luke 1:79

Here is Jesus in his own words describing this duality:

When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness. Luke 22:53

Here is a description of the effect of the mission of Jesus using the duality of light and dark.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John 3:19-21

This scripture gives an interesting demarcation between those in the light and the dark. Those who love darkness hate the light. Those in the light do not hate and would leave those in darkness to their own devises if those in the dark did not hate them and attempt to frustrate the works of light.

And why do those in darkness hate the light that exposes the truth? Because, as the scripture plainly says, the light exposes their deeds. Actually it does more than that. Light, which reveals truth exposes the intent, the plans and the unfolding of the works of darkness. Because those who attempt to hide their intent in darkness do not want them exposed they hate any light which does just this.

We see this principle played out in the actions of many sneaky politicians who attempt to put things over on us. They will write up a bill that they know the majority will oppose and then do everything in their power to prevent the public, as well as other representatives, from finding out controversial details within it.

Anyone who tries to shed some light and expose what is in it will be hated and attacked.

Meanwhile, the guy who is in the light doesn’t mind anything that is true being revealed.

Another thing they do it take a bill with a pleasant sounding name, like “The Education Bill” and place some controversial rider in it that has nothing to do with education. Maybe it is money that will go to potential terrorists who may immigrate here and could become a big problem later on. Whatever the case, these riders are often pieces of legislation or spending that the vast majority would not support.

So what happens when some honest politician tries to throw some light on the subject? He is hated and attacked as being anti-education, even though the problem has nothing to do with education. The politician in the light doesn’t care how much light is thrown upon any of the works of Congress because he wants the people to be exposed to the truth so they will know what is going on.

It is true to form then that the honest politicians (few though they may be) are often the most hated, and attacked. Their message is also the most distorted by their enemies.

Conclusion: The gospels, and Jesus in particular, divided the people into those who are in the light and those who are in darkness. We see this also played out in our day, the political world being just one example.

So, are there organizations representing the two sides of light and dark?

If the scriptures have any value at all the answer would have to be yes.

First, let us see what they say about organizations in the spiritual light, which, of course, would be the side representing God and Christ.

Paul spoke of the spiritual organization representing the light:

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God. Eph 3:10

Here we have mention of “principalities and powers in heavenly places.”

He also says that God

…set him (Christ) at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: Eph 1:20-21

So here we have mention of principalities, powers and dominions not only in this world, but the one to come.

It indeed sounds like there is a lot to govern in the pertinacities of light:

Concerning the Ancient of Days it is written:

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: Dan 7:10

Then we have this in reference to the Archangel Michael:

Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me… Dan 10:13

The fact that he was a chief price or ruler indicates a position in a hierarchy.

The scriptures do not give the full organization, or the number of different ones in the light, but a few details are given.

We are told that Christ or God is the “Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.” Rev 17:14

Lords and kings are governors over organizations and Christ is the head guy over them.

The Book of Revelations gives a representation of God (or the one that represents God for us) as being in charge and before him are 24 ancient ones as well as seven great spirits. There are also seven great angels and many saints. In addition there is “an innumerable company of angels.” Heb 12:22

Obviously there is a hierarchy and principalities of light involved in maintaining order in this “world to come.”

Now let us look at the other side. Jesus talked of those who represented “the power of darkness.” Do they have any organization?

The scriptures give us a definite yes. Again, here is Paul’s famous words on the matter:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph 6:12

So here it is clearly revealed that there are “rulers of darkness” in this world as well as “high places.”

“High places” is translated from the Greek EPOURANIOS which means “heavenly or celestial places.” In other words, there are dark hierarchies existing beyond this physical realm.

Then we have this:

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Eph 1:23

Most likely “air” here signified an other worldly place as seen as being above the earth. It is interesting coincidence to consider that dark minds may control many of our AIR waves though which so much of the media is broadcast.

Here Paul tells disciples that before they walked in the light of Christ they were under the control of the adversarial dark prince.

Perhaps another reason he was called the prince of the air is it seemed as if he could broadcast his thoughts through the air which could be picked up by those who were susceptible.

This head prince was identified in the scriptures as either the devil or Satan, both titles signifying in the Greek an adversary or an accuser. Unfortunately such a being has been the victim of such caricatures with horns and a tail so a belief in such an entity is compared to a belief in Bigfoot or the Big Bad Wolf.

Many also say that any such dark entities are just a product of one’s imagination or a thoughtform.

While it is true that the door to evil or darkness is open by the individual’s our own mind, the scriptures are definite that such beings exist just as undesirable characters exist as neighbors and associates that we may inadvertently let into our lives.

In reference to such a being functioning with a darkened mind here are words from Jesus himself:

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die. John 12:31-33

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. John 14:30

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. John 16:7-11

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Luke 10:18-19

Finally we have an unusual reference in the book of Jude to this being:

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Jude 1:9

Here is what we have concluded as definite truths testified to by the scriptures as well as the words of Jesus.

(1) There are those who dwell in the light and those who dwell in spiritual darkness.

(2) Christ, God, Michael and other benevolent beings are a part of a hierarchy on the side that dwells in the spiritual light.

(3) There is a hierarchy of spiritual darkness opposing the hierarchy of light.

(4) There are “rulers of darkness” in this world and in the unseen world. Jesus called one such being the “prince of this world” or Satan. He was also called the “devil”, which means “accuser” and the “prince of the power of the air.”

Of course, one can maintain that any part of the scriptures one does not want to accept is just allegorical and interpret them according to one’s imagination, but if they have any truth at all as written, there does definitely exist beings dwelling in the light and darkness in this world and the next.

Summary

Even if the scriptures are totally rejected the following is true:

(1) There are individuals and groups on this planet who have designs to do good unselfish works to benefit humankind and bring greater freedom.

(2) There are individuals and groups who have designs that are evil, destructive, misled and will enslave others to further their own selfish or illusionary purposes.

(3) These two group exist among those of all grades of intelligence as intelligence is assessed by orthodoxy.

(4) There is a high probability that there are groups of high intelligence, unknown to the masses, on both sides of the equation.

This would support the idea of a Brotherhood of Light and Dark as both have representatives in physical bodies in this world. All it takes to accept the possibility of their existence is the acceptance of point four.

On the other hand, if we accept the teaching of the scriptures that light and dark extends beyond the physical to a light from God that enlightens the mind we can add the following points.

(5) The spiritual light mentioned by Jesus and the prophets reveals truth and he who rejects this light is in darkness where truth is obscured, distorted or hidden. This creates a spiritual demarcation between light and dark.

(6) There are physical and non physical realms wherein intelligent life dwells. If intelligence is divided between light and dark here then it is logical that such a division would continue in some form in at least part the non physical realms.

To those who outright reject the probability of a dark and light brotherhood let me ask this question.

At what point does the demarcation between light and dark cease?

Anyone who watches the news any evening can see that the demarcation exists. There are stories of organizations that are attempting to do good things and others who are attempting to do destructive things. For instance, I just heard the report that Iran wants to destroy Israel off the face of the earth and then hunt down the remaining Jews and gleefully put them to death. I’d say that attitude is a rejection of the light and love from God.

Again, where does this demarcation end? Does it end when a person becomes a master to some and obtains more power over the elements than the ordinary person? Does this demarcation just instantly cease when a certain degree of intelligence is reached? If so where is that degree at?

The Law of Correspondences tells us that as above, so below and as below so is above to a high degree so if there is an obvious demarcation in this world then why would one not exist in some places in the non physical worlds?

Now in the world of souls the light is in much more abundance than here, but there are many invisible realms in the universe and whether high or low some have more light and truth than others.

Unfortunately, there are a few who completely reject the spiritual light and love of God. Shutting off the source of light indeed creates a world of spiritual darkness. Let us hope none of us visits that state of consciousness.

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Jesus

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Richard:

JJ: On the other hand, if the eye is turned, not outward, but inward toward self, the true light enters not and in place of light that reveals truth the poor soul is filled with great darkness, according to Jesus.

me: This would appear to contradict the many verses that say that to find god you must look within yourself.

JJ

The context is important here. I am talking about the focus of the eye or our energy for sending. If we seek to have all gifts come toward the lower self for self benefit then the light that comes in to the body will be darkness and confusion. If we see our fellow men and woman out there as those that we can kindly assist in some way then the eye is seeing in the light and the person will be full of light.

On the other hand, when one is seeking truth and being reflective he must find that true light within and discover what it reveals.

Looking at the true light within and the darkness of the lower self within are two different things. As I said, the astral light appears to be within, but causes great deception. Even in looking within one must discern between the astral light and the light of the spirit.

The key here is that the brightness of the light within is caused, in great measure, by how we direct our eye of attention to the world of service without. He who has discovered light within must share it with the world without in order to keep the light of truth shining bright.

When’s the last time you learned anything of value from some monk who spent half his life meditating in a cave?

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Clarifications

The problem is in identifying a organized brotherhood of darkness out to defeat what you define as “the light”.

JJ

It is not so much they are out to defeat each other, but their goals are so different that they get in each other’s way.

Clay:

As I mentioned earlier, the reason why intelligent men and even highly spiritual men can disagree over an issue, is not necessarily am issue of light fighting against darkness. Many times it is light arguing with light.

JJ

If one in the full light of the soul disagrees with another then it is because they do not understand each other. When they understand each other they will agree if they run the details by their souls.

Those who not bask in the light of the soul of all kinds of intelligence levels have many disagreements with those in and out of soul light.

Clay

For instance I think someone like Ayn Rand was arguing for what she considered to be truth and let’s say it is the Red spectrum, and Karl Marx was arguing for what he considered to be the truth which is maximum equality, which lets say is on the violet spectrum. Neither is completely right and neither is completely wrong. Socialism is needed to balance the excesses of Capitalism. The individual must be balanced against society. Rand erred on the side of the individual, Marx erred on the side of the community. However, these two acting in tension with each other seems to balance the inadequacies of the other. One is not more light or more dark than the other. They are both part of the light.

JJ

You seem to think that I believe that either a person is 100% enlightened or completely in the dark. I have never taught or thought such a thing. It would be interesting to see how much we really disagree if you understood me correctly. The problem is that I understand where you are coming from but you do not with me, as you do not accurately understand many of the things I present.

Both Rand and Marx had a desire to improve the human condition and both may have had some insight of light come to them through the soul. I do not see either as soul infused but both were polarized in the lower mind and operated from the vantage point of reason filtered through their illusions.

Where two people are subject to illusion they will disagree on a number of things. When two reply on the concrete mind they will disagree on a number of things for the mind is the slayer of the real. Only two sharing the light of the soul together can see as one. This is the basis of the Molecular Relationship of which I have written.

Clay:

You seem to think that anything that limits freedom is a move towards darkness,

JJ

Completely false. The freedom of burglar to invade your home and many other things need to be limited by law to insure maximum freedom for the individual and groups.

Clay;

but it can just as easily be argued that anything that leads to greater inequality, is also a move towards darkness.

JJ

I wouldn’t argue for either one.

Clay:

The truth is that no one posses the complete truth and it is a mistake to think that any person, party, ideology, and especially yourself is in possession of the complete truth.

JJ

Yes. That is a pretty basic truth that almost everyone accepts.

Clay:

To me, maximum freedom is the law of the jungle, anarchy. For me that is not ideal. I believe in maximum liberty balanced by maximum justice, balanced by maximum equality, balanced by maximum compassion, balanced by maximum responsibility, balanced by maximum altruism.

JJ

I have talked a lot about maximum freedom and that is far far from what it is. If you are going to argue with me you need to argue with what I say and believe, not with what I do not say and believe.

There is little freedom of worth with out the rule of law which prevents roving gangs and criminals from threatening the freedom of all. Maximum freedom is created through necessary laws to restrict the complete freedom of those who will do harm from restricting the maximum freedom of the majority.

Clay

I stand by the dark is just absence of light…

JJ

I stand by it too but because night is created by an absence of sunlight does not mean that night does not exist and that we have to deal with it by turning on some lights so we can see.

Similarly a dark brother is one who has turned away from the light of the soul and does not share in it. He uses lesser lights to guide him which by comparison are darkness.

Clay:

Again JJ you do not leap from the natural world to the supernatural and claim you are being logical,

JJ

If you believe this then why do you repeatedly leap to the supernatural in your posts? You have related a number of supernatural experiences of you and your wife. Are you saying you are both illogical?

 

Aug 3, 2015

Loving Darkness

Ruth asks:

why do men love darkness, or why are humans so attracted to darkness…………is there a principle to this?

JJ

People love or hate what they see and if they reject the spiritual light or have not arrived at the vision then all they have to love is the material world.

Ruth

when Adam and Eve partook of the fruit of the Tree of Life…….eg to know Good from Evil, then they also chose to know evil or darkness, yes?

JJ

This story represents the time when humans became self conscious. They didn’t think, “Oh boy, I now get to choose evil if I want.” They merely became aware they had freedom to choose.

Ruth:

Cain killed Abel, because God gave Adam and Eve the free will to know Good from Evil, but then God gets upset because people love darkness…..?

JJ

Higher lives do not get upset. Nothing can disturb their peace in their high place.

Ruth

(d) When the ancient Jews/ Laggards were sent to Earth from the previous Earth or Universe, it was because they failed to pass over the portal, and had to be sent to another Earth, so that they could undertake the necessary initiations again…………and you have said that if one does not learn from their mistakes, or runs away from their challenges in life, then the lessons get harder and harder until one learns……..therefore this Earth is like an even harder challenge and test for those Jews/Laggards to master, which means that the Good and Evil is going to be perhaps even greater than anything that they undertook previously, because they failed to learn from their previous lessons, which means that some of those laggards and/or Jews, already had darkness in their hearts, and then brought that with them to this Earth?

JJ

No this earth will not necessarily be more difficult than the last one. In some ways it will be easier because of the vast experience they have under their belts. What I was talking about is a particular problem that the soul wants us to solve in a particular life. If we refuse to work on it in one life then a more difficult situation will be created in another to force us to focus.

The laggard’s situation is like being in school and having to repeat a grade. For most the repeat will be a little easer because they have learned a few things the other students did not.

She asks about the source of evil on this planet. It is merely the cumulative effect of consciousness here on many levels that resist the spiritual light.

Ruth

Both Moses and Jesus were assigned to this Earth to help the laggards and/or Jews move forwards more into the Light and pass the necessary initiations set out for them, so most of the Bible teachings are aimed “firstly” at the Jews/ Laggards, and then secondly at the rest of the human units on Earth, who the Jews are supposed to be uplifting as part of the plan to pass through the next portal, is that correct?

JJ

The focus in a past age was on the Jews hoping they would be a light to the world, but now the focus is on anywhere in the world where light may be received.

Ruth:

The old souls are more stuck in darkness because of their antiquity, and the Karma that they generated in the past?

JJ

Some are stuck and some are moving ahead fine.

Ruth:

Is the Reformed Brother, the one Lucifer who “fell” or “rebelled” because he didn’t want to come to this Earth, or because he wanted to rule this Earth instead of being a laggard here, or was he one of the good guys, (see below quote)…..?

JJ

I wasn’t talking about Lucifer when writing of the reformed brother.

We do not have many details about the Lucifer (Morning Star) who fell. DK merely tells us that it was caused by a disagreement in the councils of the Most High. He says.

Again, in the council chamber of the Most High, there has not always been peace and understanding, but at times, war and disruption; this is made abundantly clear by several of the stories in the Old Testament. Symbolically speaking, some of the sons of God fell from their high estate, led, at one time, by “Lucifer, Son of the Morning”. This “fall of the angels” was a tremendous event in the history of our planet, but was nevertheless only a passing and interesting phenomenon in the history of the solar system, and a trifling incident in the affairs of the seven constellations, of which our solar system is but one.

He says it was a “symbolic fall” indicating it was not a fall as most literally understand it from the scriptures. Maybe more of just a temporary falling out.

 

Aug 4, 2015

Molecular Business Attempt

Dan Price, an Idaho native, attempted to implement one of the core ingredients of the Molecular Business, which is an equal salary for all. Consequently he is having major problems and the existence of his company is now threatened.

Click on one of the links below and read the article, then answer the following?

What ingredients of the Molecular Business is Dan not using that is creating so many problems for him?

What results has Dan achieved that indicate that a Molecular Business could be very successful if done right?

What problem did occur for Dan that will probably have to be dealt with by a true Molecular Business?

Here is the LINK.

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Before I answer Larry’s questions I want to emphasize that the questions dealt with what Dan Price did contrary to the Molecular Business principles that created problems for him.

Larry

1) So how do you reconcile the parable of Jesus where all got paid the same whether they worked a full day or half a day or just one hour?

JJ

The point of the parable is that the guy with the gold makes the rules and if you agree to pay a person a certain amount for a product or service and keep your word on the matter then it is no one’s business what you pay anyone else.

On a similar note if I buy a product at a store for $100 and then a few days later the price drops to $70 I have no right to complain because I felt the product was worth $100 and I agreed to pay it. If I complain to the store they may or may not give me a rebate. They are justified either way.

The scriptures say that all the worthy laborers will be entitled to ALL that God has. If you wind up with everything you could possibly use why would you grumble about what anyone else receives? If you put in more labor than the other guy you will have developed more skill that can be applied to the next endeavor.

Larry:

2) What about people who put off wages for four years or more in order to attend college and make themselves more capable?

JJ

What about them? Good for them. They will have more opportunity. If a molecular business lacks certain skills it will do what is necessary to get qualified people even if it has to pay for the education of its workers.

Larry

3) What about people who sacrificed home time while working extra hours to make-it-work?

JJ

If they work extra hours they would get paid overtime or get extra stock.

Larry

4) Why does Stu bother?

JJ

I guess he needs the work. Walmart is not molecular so the situation is not comparable. He would have much more incentive in a molecular business.

Larry:

5) Whatever seems hard, whatever seems challenging, I go there.” Our music listening habits automatically reward excellence. Why would a Molecular Business act any different?

JJ

There would be more opportunity to take on challenges in a molecular business because it is controlled from the bottom up. Stu’s situation was the result of a top-down decision.

Larry

4) Does not The Molecular Relationship teach that elected leaders get higher pay than floor workers?

JJ

Everyone gets the same monetary salary but to supply incentives bonuses are given in stock and more desirable positions. The standard salary is decided by employees.

Most of these questions are covered in the archives.

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Richard:

I never before realized that the Molecular System is a pure form of socialism. Thanks.

JJ

The main difference with today’s socialist ideas though is the Molecular Business is completely voluntary and the power base is from the bottom up. The main problem with do-gooders today is they want to implement their ideas by force and if they do not work it is almost impossible to change or improve them so they will work.

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Incorporating the Molecular Business

Well, Adam, you were the only one who took a serious stab at answering the questions on the Molecular Business. Looks like you get a gold star.

Let us take a look at your response.

Question:

What ingredients of the Molecular Business is Dan not using that is creating so many problems for him?

Adam:

Seems fairly clear that ownership is missing, at least to the degree suggested in the Molecular Business model. There needs to be incentive for the higher skilled and more motivated employees – stock and benefits tied to performance.

Also, in a molecular business, the hierarchy and structure would require more democracy. Mr. Price would have to subject himself to the possibility that he could be voted into a different position within the company.

JJ

These are two good points and incorporating these would have helped the business. But there were two more significant ingredients. Can you figure out what they are?

Question

What results has Dan achieved that indicate that a Molecular Business could be very successful if done right?

Adam

He’s demonstrated a willingness to go against orthodoxy through his own free will. An existing power structure, does not easily surrender some of that power/control/wealth, especially without imposition/force from a greater power structure.

Mr. Price has at least demonstrated a spirit that is willing to relinquish some wealth/power in the interest of others. It’s an initiation of an idea that might get others thinking about how such a structure could be improved, to yield the best in profitability, accountability, excellence, self-sufficiency, cooperation, and benevolence. At a minimum, he seems to be trying to establish a viable balance between self-interest/improvement and good will/cooperative spirit.

JJ

What you say is true but what we are looking for in this question is the positive results he achieved which were:

(1) The idea attracted a lot of positive attention.

(2) Lots of people wanted to work there

(3) Those who did work there who accepted the idea had an increase of unity, cooperation and feeling of equality.

(4) They lost some customers but new ones signed up.

Question

What problem did occur for Dan that will probably have to be dealt with by a true Molecular Business?

Adam

I think it was a bit ambitious to start such a model using a “service industry” business. Service industry businesses are needed and useful, but they are a step removed from the tangible offerings of manufacturing and production. Since sound economics are based on supply and demand, then the demand will always be more easily captured, and supply increased/limited, if the user can better quantify/see the goods, and recognize the immediate need, imo. Service contracts are more susceptible to fluctuation and termination than contracts for manufactured goods.

I also think, assuming Mr. Price was truly sincere in his stated motivations, that he might have been better served by not making the increases public. I think he should have had his employees sign non-disclosure agreements before giving drastic raises. Word would probably get out, sooner or later, but no one would be willing to go completely public, and the “hint” of change would be better PR in the long run. He should have given himself more time to test the idea – perhaps 3-5 years, at least. Then he could go public afterwards, in order to become a model for others.

JJ

All of what you say is true and though I did say a manufacturing business would be best for the first model a larger service business could work.

There was a major problem mentioned in the article that the first molecular businesses will have to deal with.

Let us see who can find what it is.

 

Aug 5, 2015

We are still looking for two main ingredients of the Molecular Business not used by Dan Price. To this Ruth replies that older employees complain because of the pay equality and decision making is too centralized in Dan.

No that is not what I was looking for. Adam mentioned the need for more democracy and soul contact is not essential for the business model, though it would be helpful.

There are two core mistakes that Dan made not mentioned yet.

The last unsolved question is:

What problem did occur for Dan that will probably have to be dealt with by a true Molecular Business?

Ruth gives a hint in the right direction by saying, the “Beast principle.” But there was a problem that occurred because of the business, specifically mentioned in the article, and it did kind of surface because of the Beast Principle.

What was it?

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Equal Pay Problems

lwk quotes me as follows:

“[One of] the core ingredients of the Molecular Business, … is an equal salary for all.”

Then says, “The idea that on this earth it is an ideal to struggle for equal pay for all regardless of contribution does not make sense.”

JJ

For this to make sense we have to look at the end product of what the real struggle is about. It is not about any forced equality for equality’s sake. It is about the creation of abundance for all in every way, spiritually and materially.

If we create a society where each person has all that he needs for a happy life then who cares what the other guy makes? All are equal if all have everything, which is the principle behind the Kingdom of Heaven.

There are four objections against the equal pay idea.

(1) It seems unfair because those who work harder should get paid more.

Well, this does not happen now. The guy on the assembly line may work with twice the intensity as the CEO and get paid 5% as much.

Two guys may have the same job description yet the slacker may get paid more than the guy working like crazy.

This objection does not fly.

(2) It seems fair that those with higher skills should get paid more than the less skilled. Skills take money and time to develop. The engineer should get paid more than the assembly line guy.

This is not a problem dealing with hard work because the assembly line guy may work harder than the engineer. It is believed that different positions have different value and it is fair that they get different pay.

This makes sense from the normal business prospective, but the Molecular model is out of the normal box.

There are three powerful advantages to the equal pay idea as outlined in the Molecular Business.

(A) It inspires empathy, brotherhood, camaraderie and unity among the workers.

(B) Because the wage can be adjusted up or down with the need it allows the business to be extremely competitive. It can survive in hard times and thrive in good times.

(C) Instead of having an overpaid management, leaders will easily be drawn from the ranks allowing the saved money to go to the workers as a whole.

(3) Those with skills in demand will not take a pay cut and work for a Molecular Business.

One interesting thing that Dan demonstrated was that some skilled workers were attracted to his ideas more than the money itself. There are other draws to working in a place besides the money. If a worker is happy with his job, the people and the opportunity he will often work for less.

Also keep in mind that workers would get paid extra for overtime and those who contribute more value can be paid extra in stock.

(4) People need incentive and money is the best incentive.

As I said, there are other incentives, but let us supposed that the business needs a programmer who’s skill will easily get him a job at $200,000. Why would he work for a molecular business where he would have to take a big pay cut?

There are several ways the problem could be handled. The business could pay for the training of the skill for one or more of its present employees.

The second alternative is to offer stock in addition to the guy’s salary.

If that doesn’t work and the hiring of the expert is essential he could be hired as a contractor and paid whatever the demand is, just like you would hire some guy to mow your lawn at the going wage. He wouldn’t be an employee, but may turn into one if he likes the company and the people.

In my treatise on this I cover the need for incentive and how it is fulfilled on a number of levels. Until civilization reaches is next great stage of business evolution money will be a huge incentive because of the lack of it in many lives. When this lack is eliminated attitudes toward money and material things will be dramatically altered.

One of the things that is evolving to fill this need is robotics. As technology evolves we will eventually all be able to live like kings – if we do not blow ourselves up first.

The molecular business will not be for everyone, at least not until it is near universally accepted. If someone is happily employed at $200,000 a year, and is used to the lifestyle, then it would not make sense to him to take a big cash pay cut. The business is not a religious thing where, if you do not accept it, you will be judged unworthy or go to hell. Most molecular workers will completely understand the skilled guys reluctance to join them.

It is interesting that Dan had an avalanche of job applicants, indicating that a Molecular Business will have no lack of raw talent from which to choose.

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Equality

Not sure who this is addressed to but I will respond. I notice a number of posts lately that are difficult to tell who is being responded to.

Larry W

This is not about selfishness, it’s about fairness and motivation. We’ve seen throughout the history of the human race that people work hard and use their most creative juices to earn rewards for themselves. It’s basic human nature. Will you now say motivation of reward means nothing?

JJ

I am certainly not saying this. The Molecular Business has all kinds of motivation and reward built into it.

Larry

If I see an opportunity to put in some overtime so I can afford a guitar that I want, then should I be arbitrarily denied?

JJ

You can work overtime (if available) and get paid extra for it in the Molecular Business.

Larry:

If I do work extra but everyone gets the same reward, including those who did not lift a finger to earn it, then why should I do the extra work/effort/creativity?

JJ

In almost all businesses you will have a number of people doing the same job getting the same pay and some will be working much harder than others.

In a Molecular Business because you are judged from the bottom up you are much more likely to be rewarded with a promotion than in a top down business where the bosses favorite is usually promoted. If a person is too much a slacker he will be rejected by his fellow workers and be out of a job.

Larry

Are you saying this issue of basic fairness and human nature is not valid?

JJ

Of course not. No idea where you are getting this from what I have written.

Your problem with your previous boss treating you unfairly would be largely solved in the Molecular Business because your main judges would be your co-workers who know how hard you are really working.

Larry:

I believe in equal pay for equal work. But I do not believe in equal pay for unequal work.

JJ

There are two types of equality and inequality to be dealt with.

(1) Equality of effort. For instance, an assembly line guy may be making a greater effort and working harder than the CEO. Should this count for something?

Yes.

(2) Equality or inequality of skill or job importance.

Should this count for something?

Yes, again. First, the more skilled job has part of its reward built in. Being a computer programmer, knowing you are making a big difference, is much more rewarding than working on a boring assembly line.

In addition to doing more fun work, those with crucial skills are rewarded with more power, opportunity and stock. If that isn’t enough they can work as a contractor for extra cash.

The Molecular Business recognizes that material reward will be a necessary incentive for some time to come, but as abundance for all is manifested it will become less and less a factor.

In the coming age job satisfaction will be the important thing and that will come from the realization that the worker is assisting the greatest number of people that his talents can handle.

 

Aug 6, 2015

The Needs of the Many

lwk

If we create a society where each person has all that (he) needs then what motivation is there to excel? I can push the envelope in achievement or just slack off and do only much as I have to. What difference does it make? I still get paid the same.

JJ

Which situation is more conducive to happiness? Where the guy is struggling to make ends meet, care for his loved ones, and has to focus most of his attention on making money?

Or

He has his basic physical needs met today and feels comfortable that they will be met tomorrow?

I don’t know about you, but the closer I get to the second situation the happier and more fulfilled I am.

I believe it was General MacArthur who said something to the effect that we must fill a person’s belly before we can teach him any philosophy.

The bottom line is this. When a person is in a situation where he doesn’t have to worry about the basic needs of himself and loved ones he should be more, not less, motivated to accomplish something worthwhile. If not then he is devoid of imagination.

There are much more interesting things to do than wasting energy in worrying about making a living.

Yes, it’s true that some with free time will use it destructively, but the guy who is desperate for money is the more dangerous.

We as a civilization are rapidly advancing to that point where all the dreary labor will be replaced with technology of some kind. They are already working on robotics that will clean homes, tend bar, care for the elderly and replace many farm workers.

The time is not far distant when any job opportunity in production or general labor will be rare. Such a person will be managing technology.

Work opportunities have already made a major shift from production to service or technology of some kind. As our attention shifts so will our creative energy and our needs. Creative people will find new ways to make money in service and others will find new ways to enjoy themselves by being served.

As the physical needs of the many are filled the consciousness of humanity will shift toward equality, with the realization that the world does not consist of “us” and “them,” but we are all “us.”

When this point is reached then humanity will have reached a major turning point that will allow the consciousness of the whole to expand.

I do not know if I will ever have the power to create a Molecular Business in this life, but it is a blueprint for the future, and others will take us to it in bits and pieces if I am not able to incorporate the whole plan while here.

lwk

The end equation is not necessarily how hard or long you work, but what you produce. But then again, many who produce more do work longer and harder than their companions do.

JJ

My point about hard work was just one of several that has value. You are right, the true monetary value is based on the end product. In other words, the labor of some workers is of more value than others.

On the other hand, the value of one person’s soul compared to another is not.

This is why the inevitable direction of evolution is taking us toward equality on all levels.

Notice, that I say “equality” not sameness. As long as we maintain freedom, we will always be unique individuals directing our energies in different ways to find fulfillment. The equality of opportunity, evolving through free will, not force, will only enhance such fulfillment.

Even so, the Molecular Business makes concessions to the idea that some work is more important than others. Such people will be recognized, given positions of greater power and additional stock.

Then as civilization evolves the handling of the various qualities of labor may change.

lwk

The bottom line though is simply this. If you ideas about the Molecular Business work in a free and competitive environment then that is fair and right.

JJ

You are absolutely correct. If it turns out that any of the items in the plan do not work then they need to be changed or discarded until the business does work.

I personally believe that it will be much more efficient than the regular business model and prove to be able to outperform all competitors. We see evidence of this already. Since I have presented this idea almost three decades ago many business have incorporated a number of its precepts. Those who have, have been much more successful than those who have not.

For instance, locally, a small grocery chain called WINCO became employee owned and moved a couple steps toward being molecular. It went from a about a half dozen stores in 1999 to over 100 retail stores today and four distribution centers with 14,200 employees. No one locally can out price them, not even the giant Walmart. Imagine what they would e doing if they were 100% molecular.

I am not saying that any of the businesses moving toward being molecular have done so because of me. Instead, those who are sensitive to soul energies naturally pick up the next sep in evolution. The main advantage of someone creating the whole thing, as outlined in my treatise, is that it would speed things up.

By the way, no one has figured out yet the main thing that Dan did wrong.

 

Aug 7, 2015

The Welfare Factor

I made the statement to the effect that if a person’s basic needs are net that the situation will be more conducive to happiness and creativity than if they are not.

To which lwk replied:

There are a lot of people on some kinds of welfare today who certainly do have their _real_ basic needs met. They have housing, food, TVs, etc. and often barter their benefits for booze and drugs.

They don’t exactly seem motivated to accomplish much beyond finding more ways to get extra benefits. But their happiness is much diminished due to their envy of those with more and their politically induced feelings of being victims.

JJ

I was writing about those who are fortunate enough to labor for their money. When one does his share in the labor market and honestly earns enough to take care of his basic needs then he has taken care of one of the greatest obstacles to happiness in this physical reality.

Now those on some type of assistance who do manage to get enough to live on without having to work are often scamming the system (as noted by Clay), milking it for all they can get. The attitude of those looking for a free lunch, without any constructive participation on their part, is not conducive to happiness.

I have presented a plan in my book Fixing America that will solve many of the problems connected with welfare yet still take care of those truly in need.

To be able to do your part in taking care of the needs of you and your loved ones is certainly conducive to happiness.

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The Major Problem

Okay, I guess it is about time to look at the major factor that Dan missed from the Molecular Business treatise.

I think some here will kick themselves when I point this out because it was a factor that we have previously discussed quite a bit and when I do point it out I think that most will see that it is obviously correct.

Here is the major ingredient from the Molecular Business that Dan missed. Here is a quote from my book.

The idea is very simple and the seeds of its manifestation already surround us, but it has not demonstrated itself in business for one major reason: People in authority love the power it gives them, and they will use this power, at all costs, to keep their area of dominion secure. Since that authority is almost impossible to remove once an organization has been established, we will not see the established companies turning into Molecular Businesses. The first Molecular Businesses will be entirely new enterprises. Next we will see a number of faltering companies turning to it to save them from going under. Finally, after it has been proven to produce abundance, we will see the established businesses reluctantly turn to it. The reluctance will come from those who wish to hold onto their power over others.

Now Dan’s problem had not so much to do with the change in the authoritative structure as change itself and the change he made struck right at the heart of all. That important change was in how employees got paid and how much.

As I pointed out in numerous comments I have made in this subject – the Molecular Business requires so many changes that it would be almost impossible to use an existing business as a model for the first one as there would be too much resistance and too many problems created.

Jesus actually pointed out the principle behind this problem:

No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved. Matt 9:16-17 NIV

Taking new ideas and attempting to force them on to employees and owners of an existing company is indeed like putting new wine in old bottles (or wineskins – as was used in that day).

Dan’s brother didn’t risk his life savings with the idea that, once the business was successful, of switching over to an experiment in social engineering.

The employees, especially the ones with special skills, did not join with the idea that everyone would be paid the same wage.

Nether did the stockholders invest with the idea that the business would be making controversial changes in its operation.

Dan indeed verified the principle that you cannot put new wine in old wineskins and that the Molecular Business must begin from the ground floor up.

I cited the success of the local grocery company WINCO, which had incorporated a couple molecular principles with great success.

But they were incorporated at the beginning of their company and all employees and investors knew what they were getting into.

A true Molecular Business will not just incorporate one major change, as Dan tried to do, but numerous ones. Starting the first one using an existing business would be a Herculean task indeed. It will be difficult enough starting it from scratch, but at least this is a task that can be done.

In fact it will indeed be done at some time because this is the direction toward which evolution is heading.

The second major ingredient that Dan did not apply was in how the general wage would be determined. He alone decided on the $70,000 figure and picked it not because it would be good for the business but because that was the wage that seemed to be necessary to bring satisfaction to employees.

In the Molecular Business the general wage is not arbitrarily determined by the CEO, but is made with group approval and is adjusted up or down depending on the cash needed to keep the business functioning successfully.

The Molecular Business incorporates the Principle of Correction. If a process or plan does not work then changes are made until efficiency is achieved.

 

Aug 8, 2015

Myth or Not?

The theory is that behind many elements of mythology lies some true story on which it was based. As the science of archaeology advances and more ancient writings are discovered we are finding much supportive evidence that this was true.

So, does this mean that there was a real Hercules who was half god and half man?

Maybe not literally, but there was probably a powerful human being who seemed to be as much god as human on which the legend was based.

At one time the Iliad by Homer was considered to be pure fantasy. Until 1884 when German amateur archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann upset the applecart and unearthed the real city of Troy.

That would be comparable to finding the city of Camelot today.

This caused many questions to surface. If Troy was a real city in history then how about Helen of Troy, the Trojan Horse and the gods themselves mentioned? Maybe Achilles and Zeus were real people on which the story was based.

Also mentioned by Homer were Jason and the Argonauts. Surely the Golden Fleece was pure myth, right?

Not so fast. They have recently found evidence that a real golden fleece existed in ancient times. Here’s the story:

Jason and the Argonauts’ mythic quest for the Golden Fleece took inspiration from an actual voyage sometime between 3,300 and 3,500 years ago, scientists say. Jason went from Greece to a kingdom near the Black Sea renowned for using sheepskins to collect gold grains and flakes from mountain streams.

Go HERE for the full story

It is interesting that when Marco Polo published his travels to China many people thought that the stories were pure myth. It took some time to verify that his travels to that strange place known as China really occurred.

And how about King Arthur, Merlin, Excalibur and Camelot? Were they real?

Some give a knee jerk dismissal, but again, not so fast. A lot of serious scholars think there is enough evidence to indicate there is some truth behind this legend just as been the case for many others.

Here is an interesting story giving ten clues to the real King Arthur.

LINK

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Good comments Blayne. I certainly would not vouch for the literal truth of any of the King Arthur stories though I think that King Arthur, Merlin and some of the story were roughly based on real legendary characters from history lost. It is entirely possible that the original characters had different names.

I have discovered testimony doing regressions that some of the characters of the period were real.

The thing that impresses me about the story is the great symbolism. It has better allegory for teaching than the Bible.

Here are some of my previous comments:

All have heard about the magic sword that Arthur was supposed to have pulled from a stone. The stone was a symbol of “the stone which the builders rejected” [Matthew 21:42] or the Christ. The sword called Excalibur, was a symbol of the commission given to King Arthur, or the “keys of the Kingdom” [Matthew 16:19] It also symbolized the sword wielded by Christ in Revelation 19:15 “that with it he should smite the nations”.

The Holy Grail in the legend symbolizes the “fruits” of the Kingdom of God that they were searching for and attempting to produce at that time. It is also a symbol of the presence of Christ, for when the Kingdom is established the Master will appear. Legend has it that only one or possibly several knights were worthy to see the grail indicating that most knights, valiant as they were, were not prepared for their Master.

Near the end of Arthur’s life he gave his sword, Excalibur, to Sir Bedivere and told him to throw it into a nearby lake. Bedivere was reluctant to obey, but finally gave into Arthur’s demand and heaved it into the water. It was said to have been caught by the hand of the Lady of the Lake. The hand waved the sword three times and then disappeared under the water. The hand symbolizes the rightful owner of the sword, The Christ, and the fact that he waved the sword three times is symbolic of the three time periods when the sword was to be wielded. The first time was in the Jewish kingdom from the days of Moses. The second was from the days of Christ to King Arthur, and the third wave was an indication of a future time.

The legends tell us that another Merlin and King Arthur will arise with another Excalibur and blaze the trail of glory peace and prosperity. How much of the above legends are actually true is inconsequential here. What is important is that they represent symbols which portray real truth. After Excalibur was lost then was fulfilled the scripture which says: “And the woman (The Kingdom of God) fled into the wilderness, where a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” Revelation 12:6

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