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Devas of Emotion and Mind

Agnisuryans

These Devas create form in the astral or emotional world. These create the forms in the heavens and hells in the next world that form the habitation of many souls after death. They also create the forms in the devachan – or heaven as defined by Theosophy.

Even though they exist in a plane above the physical we can still influence them through sound and by our emotional desires. One reason that those who have a powerful one-pointed desire manifest successfully on the physical plane is because these Devas responds to emotion.

Key Statements DK made about Agnisuryans

“The Agnisuryans are the builders on the sixth subplane of the cosmic physical plane, our systemic astral plane.  They represent, as I have before hinted, the sympathetic nervous system in the logoic physical body, just as their brothers of the seventh vibration represent the sumtotal of the circulatory or blood system.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 634

“The Function of the Agnisuryans.  The devas of the astral plane are those with whom man is very specially connected at this time owing to his astral polarisation, and to the place desire and feeling play in his development.  Consciousness expands through contact, through intelligent appreciation of that which is contacted, and through realisation of that which is to be gained through a specific contact.  That which is contacted depends upon reciprocal vibration, and the place therefore of desire (which is the going out after sensation) and of feeling (which is the reflex of that desire) is of real importance; they put man constantly in touch—even though he realises it not—with deva substance of some kind or another.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire, Page 661

(The disciple) “learns to choose the Way of light and to see his form and all forms as custodians of the light.  So he buckles down to the work of making the astral body simply a reflector of that light and by the quelling of desire, through the subjugation of the “Agnisuryans” who constitute his astral body and are the living substance of the astral plane, he learns to function as an adept on that plane, to pierce through its illusion and to see life true.” A Treatise on White Magic, Pg 238

“These elementals and devas are called the Agnisuryans, and in their totality are the fiery essences of buddhi, hence their lowest manifestation is on the sixth plane, the astral.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire, Pg 68

“It will again be apparent why the Agnisuryans are of such supreme importance; they embody force which is a direct emanation from the cosmic astral plane and which reveals—when triply blended—the desire nature of our Heavenly Man, and of any particular planetary Logos.  In the two opposites, which are called by the theologians “”Heaven and Hell,”” we have two of these types of force hinted at, and in this thought we have indicated one of the keys to the astral plane.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 676

“This angle of the matter should be studied in order to bring out the true meaning of this sixth order of devas, whose symbol is the six-pointed Star set at a particular angle and in full manifestation.  The six-pointed star is the sign that a “Son of Necessity” (no matter whether God or man) has sought physical incarnation.  The devas of the sixth order, the Agnisuryans, are a prime factor in bringing this about.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire, Pages 669-670

The Agnishvattas

These are lofty devas that create forms on the plane of the mind which is technically called the Fifth Subplane of the Cosmic Physical. The Solar Angels are called Agnishvattas, but is every Agnishvatta a Solar Angel? Not in the way the average seeker understands the work of the Solar Angel, but the terms are pretty much interchangeable.

In a previous system the Agnishvattas passed through the human form and now exist as one of three groups according to DK

The Buddhas or Lords of Activity.

The Buddhas or Lords of Compassionate Love.

The Buddhas of Sacrifice, of Whom the Lord of the World is, to man, the best known exponent.

These great lives create the forms of their own mental substance that are vehicles for expression of our own consciousness. They create the egoic lotus which expands and unfolds as we progress in consciousness.

To put it quite simply the Agnishvattas could be called our “mothers in heaven.” They give birth to our own consciousness by creating organized mind out of their own substance.

Key Statements DK made about Agnishvattas

“This fifth Hierarchy of Agnishvattas in their many grades embody the “I principle” and are the producers of self-consciousness, and the builders of man’s body of realisation.  In time and space, and on the mental plane, they are Man himself in essential essence; they enable him to build his own body of causes, to unfold his own egoic lotus, and gradually to free himself from the limitations of the form which he has constructed, and thus to put himself—in due course of time—into the line of another type of energy, that of buddhi.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 703

“That Son of Mind, which we call the Ego or Soul.  This is the intelligence principle, and is called by many names in the esoteric literature, such as the Solar Angel, the Agnishvattas, the Christ principle, etc.  With this, religion in the past has professed to deal.” Education in the New Age Pg 5

“The Agnishvattas are the builders on the fifth or gaseous subplane of the cosmic physical, and—from the human standpoint—are the most profoundly important, for they are the builders of the body of consciousness per se.  From the psychic standpoint of occult physiology, they have a close connection with the physical brain, the seat or empire of the Thinker.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 635

“We start here upon the consideration of the Agnishvattas, or the Fire devas of the mental plane, and are thus launched upon the most stupendous subject in connection with our planetary evolution; it is the one having the most occult significance for man, for these solar Angels concern his own essential nature, and are also the creative power by which he works.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 680

“Where man is concerned these solar Angels, the Agnishvattas, produce the union of the spiritual Triad, or divine Self, and the Quaternary, or lower self.  Where the Logos is concerned, whether solar or planetary, they produce conditions whereby the etheric, and the dense physical become a unit. They represent a peculiar type of electrical force; their work is to blend and fuse, and above all else they are the “transmuting fires” of the system, and are those agents who pass the life of God through their bodies of flame as it descends from the higher into the lower, and again as it ascends from the lower into the higher.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 698

“We leave now the consideration of self-consciousness, as it is produced through the medium of the particular type of deva substance which the Agnishvattas provided for the body of the Ego, and pass on to the study of incarnation, cosmic, planetary and human.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 732

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What Are Devas?

Question: Can we explore words that are commonly used in the Bailey writings?

JJ: Actually, we are doing that now. The first four words; Deva, Agnichaitans, Agnisuryans and Agnishvattas are very interrelated. The plan is to proceed in basic alphabetical order but digress as needed to examine key words related to the word in progress or of group interest.

As we proceed in this dictionary I do not want to examine the meaning in great depth as this would make the dictionary very large and take us ages to get through it. On the other hand, we will examine fewer, but important, words, but with more depth than a standard esoteric dictionary.

The basic purpose of the dictionary will be to give the DK/AAB reader an understandable definition as well as helpful background information. We’ll expand some on each word, but not to the fullest extent.

Here’s the definition for a very key word .

Devas

Definition: These beings are sometimes called members of the angel kingdom and sometimes called agents of the creative mind of God which go forth to do His Will in building all form in the universe.

Even though Devas do not live in the dense physical they create the network wherein the form develops. They do this from the etheric, astral and mental worlds.

There are greater and lesser Devas sometimes called the greater and lesser builders. Many of the greater are considered angels on the evolutionary arc and have passed through the human kingdom. The lesser builders are often called elementals and are on the involutionary arc. These create all physical form that we see about us.

Simply put we could say this. Non physical beings that do not presently incarnate into dense physical bodies are Devas.

Humans are polarized in the male energy and Devas the female. There are 300 billion greater Devas for this earth.

Key Statements DK Made About Devas

“It might here be well to point out that, working as members of that Hierarchy are a great number of beings called angels by the Christian, and devas by the oriental.  Many of them have passed through the human stage long ages ago, and work now in the ranks of the great evolution parallel to the human, and which is called the deva evolution.” Initiation Human and Solar, Pg 36

“The devas, with the exception of those greater devas who have in earlier cycles passed through the human kingdom and are now co-operating in the evolution of man, are not as yet self-conscious.  They grow and develop through feeling and not through the power of conscious thought…The devas follow the line of least resistance, and seek to appropriate and experience in fullest tide of feeling and sentiency the vibration of things as they are.  Therefore the method for them is an ever-increasing intensity of appreciation for the feeling of the moment.” Initiation Human and Solar, Pg 97

“The devas who are the sumtotal of the energy of substance itself care not what form they build.” TCF, Page 951

“The devas of the ethers carry on their foreheads a translucent symbol in the form of a crescent moon, and by this they may be distinguished from the astral devas by those able to see clairvoyantly.

“As we consider the devas of the ethers, we find that they fall naturally—as far as manifestation is concerned—into two main groups.  Each group is represented on each of the four subplanes, and this grouping must be considered as but one method of differentiation out of the many possible.  These groups are, first, those devas who are the transmitters of prana to all forms of life; they are a group of intermediary devas, and may be regarded as the energy providers in their various differentiations; secondly, those devas who form the etheric bodies of every form in manifestation.  These constitute the bulk of the lesser devas.” TCF, Pg 915

“A beautiful diamond, a stately tree, or a fish in the water are but devas after all.  It is the recognition of this essential livingness which constitutes the basic fact in all occult investigation, and is the secret of all beneficent magic.” TCF, Pg 892

“The deva evolution is feminine, negative and receptive, the human evolution is masculine, positive and aggressive.” A Learning Experience; Mary Bailey, Pg 49

“The devas do not suffer pain as does mankind.  Their rate of rhythm is steadier although in line with the Law.  They learn through application to the work of building and through incorporation into the form of that which is built.  They grow through appreciation of and joy in the forms built and the work accomplished.” A Treatise on White Magic, Pages 532-533

“Through rites and ceremonies you can sense the devas and reach them, but not in the same manner nor for the same reason that you can the elementals.  The devas attend ceremonies freely and are not summoned; they come, as you do, to tap the power.  When your vibrations are pure enough the ceremonies serve as a common meeting-ground… Speech, as we know it, is not understood by the devas, but impulses, forces, vibrations can be set up by the use of specific forms that lead to the desired result and obviate the need of speech.  These forms open the avenues of mutual comprehension.” Letters on Occult Meditation, Pg 176

“The angels and devas are to the vegetable kingdom what the spiritual Hierarchy is to humanity. This is, of course, a mystery with which you have no concern.” Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle, Page 79

“Wherever attention is centred on the form and not on the Spirit, the tendency is to deva worship, deva contact and black magic, for the form is made of deva substance on all planes.

“This must be considered well in connection with every form for it holds the key to many mysteries.” TCF, Page 491

“It would interest us much could we but understand a little of the point of view of those great devas Who co-operate intelligently in the plan of evolution.  They have Their own method of expressing these ideas, the medium being colour which can be heard, and sound which can be seen.  Man reverses the process and sees colors and hears sounds.  A hint lies here as to the necessity for symbols, for they are signs which convey cosmic truths, and instruction, and can be comprehended alike by the evolved of both evolutions.” TCF, Page 666

“The goal for the devas (below the rank of solar Pitris) is individualisation, and their objective is to become men in some future cycle.” TCF, Page 836

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Esoteric Words

One of the biggest problems in understanding the Alice A. Bailey writings is the strange vocabulary. For a first-time reader sitting down to enjoy the writings this can seem like an overwhelming obstacle. At first, they seem more complex than understanding a medical journal.

I am therefore initiating a new project that will probably last for years and that is going through DK’s writings and perhaps some others and finding, defining and hopefully understanding certain words. We’ll then take the best of the definitions and eventually compile our own dictionary.

That said, here is the first word: Agnichaitans

So, where do you look for understanding?

First, if you have the text of the Alice A. Bailey books do a search there first. If you have them downloaded on your computer this will prove very useful.

Secondly, you can Google the word.

Thirdly, there are several online esoteric dictionaries. Here are the address for three of them:

Dictionary 1

Dictionary 2

Dictionary 3

Here are things to look for:

Obviously, the meaning of the word.

Any interesting applications for the word.

Words, phrases and principles in relation to the word that need to be understood, especially as it applies to the AAB writings.

A reader gives this definition and comment: “The Agnichaitans are builders in our physical world and their work can visibly be seen in the growth of crystals and mineral forms.”

“How is it they are the builders? From what science tells us, our physical world is built upon atoms and molecules. These particles bond to other atoms and molecules based on electrical charge, compatible atomic configurations, and many other variables I don’t have the knowledge to expand upon.”

JJ: Science observes what happens when crystals are formed and they describe what they observe but they do not fully understand what causes that which they observe. Tiny lives that operate like complex computer programs guide the creation of all form whether it be a mineral, a plant or a human body.

Fire is at the heart of all life and the Agnichaitans work at the most intense point of all fires and build creatively with fire in the bowels of the earth.

The reader continues:

“[The Agnichaitans] are influenced through sound and can be guided by the adepts toward what is considered magical work.”

“Can you give an example of this ‘magical work’ that is something science is unable to do with its knowledge of manipulation of atoms and/or molecules?”

JJ: Spiritual healing involves the use of the Agnichaitans. When a yogi slows his heart rate and can make himself to appear lifeless, he puts them to sleep. When we speak in everyday life we will influence them to a small degree depending on the feeling and intent behind our words. Adepts on the Left and Right use words of power to direct them, but few of these are in any book.

 Reader: “Would you please expand upon what ‘originating point of fire’ means.”

JJ: When you strike a match it does not light unless an originating point of fire is created. Once the match is lit this point of fire remains and will be the last point remaining when the match goes out as long as the fuel remains.

This originating point is the life-giving heart of an Agnichaitan which incarnates into the fire. If an Adept can speak their language he could then control fire.

Reader: “Also, what is meant by ‘this energy of fire is the power that creates the physical activity necessary to move creation forward.”

JJ: Nothing happens without motion and fire is merely very intense motion. The Agnichaitans are the power that causes motion on the physical plane. Motion that does not seem to be fire from our perspective is fire from a higher perspective that sees time from a different reference.

Reader: “How many Agnichaitans do we have in our physical body?”

JJ: Countless numbers in different grades which are a reflection of one greater life.

Reader: “Where inside us do they live?”

JJ: They live in etheric matter. Ask yourself where electricity lives within you and you will have your answer.

Reader: “If I want a healthier, more usable and long-lasting body, I just eat right, take vitamins, and work-out. What is this process you speak of by which we can have the same thing by influencing these Devas with our thoughts? What are the steps of this process? How is this process different than what I currently do?”

JJ: When you eat good food and take vitamins you are providing prana for the Agnichaitans that they will take to the fires in your body. You can also influence them positively with soothing sounds, music and speech. The sense of smell also drives them.

The Agnichaitans are strongly influenced by the higher devas of the astral — the Agnisuryans, and the mental — the Agnishvattas which we will cover shortly.

Be silent, or let thy words be worth more than silence. Pythagoras

Oct 18, 2009

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Loving Relationships, Part 7
Touching the Soul

Audience: “My experience with what I think of as intuition is intuition is the fault process of communication and learning. We learn things most commonly by rote. It seems like to me that when you experience intuition you get the whole picture at once then you verbalize it then add everything else into it. It’s like going backwards from the normal way.”

JJ: It is backwards from the normal way. Basically, to discover a person’s evolution you want to look for a number of things. You want to look for how much love he or she radiates. If he contacts the soul, he contacts pure love energy. There is something higher than soul and that is the Monad. For practical purposes we won’t even go into this because we want to get to the soul before we get to the Monad. The Monad is the projector of purpose. This is different from how we usually think. Purpose is aligning the person in harmony with the divine will. First of all, before we can even glimpse what the purpose is, we must contact the soul. The soul is a stepping stone to the Monad which projects purpose.

Why am I talking about this when our topic is relationships? Before anyone can have a really beautiful relationship, the soul must be contacted in yourself. When it’s contacted in yourself, you’ll be able to see the soul in others. When you see it contacted in yourself then you see it in others, there will be a love between you and that person. This will demand a response.

If the person is under a feel-good state of illusion, the response will often be hard to reach. But if the love energy goes out to the person, and stimulates the soul and the love energy then comes back then contact is made. A good example of this that everyone is aware of in this room is the act of making love. In the Bible it says, “This is eternal life that ye shall know God.” The word for” know” is the same word used for sex in the Bible. All throughout the Bible, the word, “know” is used for the sex act. Somebody knew somebody and he or she begat somebody else.

It says it’s eternal life to know God. Why are the same words used? It’s used because at the highest level of sex, when the climax is reached, you have a breaking of the veil between the two people so there is a knowing of the person’s soul. That’s why it feels so great, because it’s an actual knowing of God. It only lasts a short period of time.

Wayne: “Is that why we cry, ‘Oh God!”? (Laughter)”

JJ: When you’re making love and approaching that divine moment, has anyone ever been able to feel anger toward anyone? Or dislike toward the other person? It’s almost impossible. Try it sometime. When you’re in that state of approaching climax, try to hate anyone. It’s impossible. Even though you may have had a big fight and were throwing furniture around moments before, when you’re in the act and approaching that moment there’s only peace and love. It’s because you’ve penetrated the soul. The two have become one and unity is what produces soul contact. It’s a physical unity but it still produces some flow of energy from the soul. It is an octave lower than contact with the mind, but it is still a form of soul energy.

Audience: “Is that a point of tension that gets reached?”

JJ: Right, that’s a point of tension and this is soul energy coming down. It’s on a physical level. Sexual climax is the one that everyone is familiar with and it is actually a divine energy. It’s the first contact with soul energy that most of us feel. The second one is the born-again experience.

Audience: “Why doesn’t it last?”

JJ: That’s because the soul is no longer in contact. The soul has to be in contact in order for this to be felt. When there is complete soul contact then you will almost always be in a state of euphoria. You will feel really good all the time. When there is complete soul contact and the illusions have all been broken through it will not go away though the intensity will be cyclic due to the attention we have to give to normal life. You’ll be in a state that feels similar to the sexual climax all the time but on a more refined level. Wouldn’t that be nice? Think back to this statement again. In this divine moment when you have achieved some soul energy down flow, in the sexual climax, have you ever felt any anger?

Audience: “It doesn’t last long enough.”

JJ: Right, when it’s over the anger might reappear but not actually at that moment. That’s why when we contact the soul, it’s the same thing. You cannot hate anybody. You only feel love because you pass beyond the illusion. When you hate somebody, you hate something that doesn’t exist. When you contact the soul, you contact something that does exist and is real and it’s impossible to feel any disturbance of peace. Isn’t that a great teaching?

Wayne: “I could get off on that (Laughter).”

JJ: Sexual climax is something that everyone can identify with. The higher levels of soul contact are not things that everyone can identify with. There is a handful who have felt some inflow of soul energy. Most of you in this room have felt it in one degree or another. When you feel the soul energy it feels really great. Would you say it felt even better than a sexual climax? Doesn’t it feel better? Have you ever felt anything that felt better?

Wayne: “So if you’re premature you’re a little more spiritual or what? (Laughter)”

JJ: This is probably the strangest approach anyone ever heard of for establishing relationships but it is one that will work. What’s the normal approach? They say you have to treat your partner really good and buy flowers. I bought flowers but that does not necessarily avoid an argument. When you reach soul contact, you can do it. I remember the first argument we ever had. I thought soul contact had to be reached so what did I tell you about it?

Artie: “You taught me to tell you I love you three times.”

JJ: I had her look in my eyes and tell me she loves me three times. It takes more effort to do that now, but when we first fell in love we’d do about anything. The first time she says I love you and I say, say it again with greater feeling. So she mumbles I love you again, and I say with more feeling. By the time she says it a third time, she forgets what she is angry about. All of a sudden negativity just disappears. The soul was touched.

That’s a good way to dissolve an argument. Look in each other’s eyes and with feeling, pretend that you’re an actor if you have to, send out your love. You have to do that. Say I love you three times. Each of you say it to each other. All of a sudden you don’t need a winner of the argument, you don’t need to resolve the problem, you don’t need to decide what color to paint the walls. All of a sudden you just feel good with each other. Energy follows thought. You have to think I love you more than say it. When you say it and say it like you mean it, all of a sudden, the energy follows thought and the love returns. The same thing if you don’t feel like being affectionate, be affectionate and energy will follow thought.

So the soul has to be reached. We have all these veils of illusion around us. If the solution is so simple, why don’t we do it? When you’re really angry why is it hard to say I love you? It’s almost like a person says, “I’m angry and I’m happy to be angry. I’m unhappy and I’m happy to be unhappy.” It’s really difficult to break through that.

The only way to break through is by the exercise of will. I’m going to tell a nasty secret about the energy of love. People have a very ephemeral view about love. They feel like love is something that is sometimes there and sometimes not there. It’s mystical. When it’s not there there’s nothing you can do about it, it’s just not there. You have to wait for the fight to blow over, the winds to cool down then maybe a few days later, love will return. So you just have to wait for love to show up. Or you have to wait to find the right one that you can love. You have to just wait around then like magic, out of the blue, here comes love. Is that how love works? That’s what people seem to think, isn’t it?

Audience: “What I can’t understand is that you’re talking about the love coming from the soul and where is the romantic love coming from? Where do you get the category of romantic energy?”

JJ: We’ll go into that in a minute. So we have this love energy that seems so mystical and magical but if it is an energy like electricity then it can be turned on and off. If love is an energy we can do everything with love that we can do with lights. We can turn it down halfway, or way down so you can barely see it, or all the way off, or up to very bright. How can we do that? Can we do that with anybody?

Love is an energy and it can be manifested by an exercise of will. If you’re in an intense battle with your mate or your best friend and you feel very bitter feelings and you want to hate him instead of loving, by an exercise of will you can turn it off or on. The energy of love is the great lesson. Two people, once they learn to turn it on can turn it off or on at will. Love never needs to be gone unless they turn it off at will. It feels so good, why on Earth would anyone in his or her right mind not want it around? It feels so great. Has everyone in here been in love with somebody? It feels so great, who wants it to go away? I know I don’t, it feels really wonderful. Once we understand the will, we can make it come back anytime. We can keep it.

Audience: “It’s a lot easier to get it to come back when you get rid of all the garbage, the anger, bitterness, the things that get in the way. Once you get rid of that it’s like the cup in the story, it overflows if you don’t get rid of some stuff so there’s room for the new stuff. To be able to accept love, you need to empty your cup of all the garbage.”

JJ: The key is to look beyond the garbage, for if we look for the negative it will always be there, for none of us are perfect. Look beyond the imperfection to the perfection of the soul and the imperfect will fade away.

We’ll end on that note.

I make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes. – Sara Teasdale

Oct 14, 2009

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Loving Relationships, Part 6
Overcoming Illusion

JJ: Then the next step up is overcoming illusion. In overcoming illusion you have to trace back to the foundation of all your beliefs. Find out where all your beliefs got screwed up at. For instance, let’s say that I have a foundation belief that man is inherently evil. All my branch beliefs may be entirely logical, without flaw. I can think like Dr. Spock on Star Trek and trace everything back to the root belief that man is inherently evil and be entirely logical. There’s no reason why it should be wrong. But the man who penetrates the last layer or veil has to go back and trace all his illusions clear back to the root belief. It’s really hard for us to face these.

From the time that we first begin to learn, we are 100% convinced that we are correct. So we have to become as a little child and go back to our root beliefs and see what is actually the matter with us. One of the things that causes us to do that is what?

Anybody want to guess? You probably won’t guess so I’ll write it down. Pain. Why pain? Whenever you receive pain of any kind, physical, emotional, or mental, it only means one thing. You’re not following the impulses of the soul. When we refuse to follow the impulses of our soul, we get pain. When our root beliefs are not working, eventually great pain is produced. The pain keeps increasing and the squeeze gets tighter and tighter until we are practically forced to look at our beliefs and say, what in the world is the matter with this. Picking on you Artie, I know that you spent the first half of your life totally disassociated with metaphysics. Something caused you to begin to look further. Did pain have anything to do with it?

Artie: “Yeah, I got to a point where I didn’t understand my purpose, I didn’t enjoy being around people particularly, after a point of depression where I don’t understand why I’m here, I don’t understand why I can’t get away from people, why I can’t feel a joy, I certainly didn’t feel it in church. So I couldn’t figure out what was missing. Like a big void, a big hole, that needed to be filled and I got to a point where there had to be more.”

JJ: Anybody else have any pain that forced him or her to look? Curt, you look like you did.

Curt: “Before metaphysics, I asked the same questions Artie did. That’s when I started writing and broadened my view.”

JJ: When a person really begins to look and evolve toward his soul, it becomes really joyful. When you don’t, then eventually you’re practically forced to. In my life I went through quite a bit of pain that forced me to really start looking. Anyone else?

Audience: “I went through a phase where I perceived I should be doing something I wasn’t.”

JJ: If you go someplace you know you aren’t supposed to, then you really feel pain.

Audience: “I hear you talking and something came to mind that happened awhile back and I think it’s true. Your subconscious and your super conscious, when you’re listening to somebody like Joe talk, if you cross anything you won’t be nearly as receptive. Earlier Wayne had the perfect receptive form, as far as I’m concerned, he was really listening. Then when he heard something he’d heard before it was like he wasn’t going to listen again. I’ve had these experiences the past 5 or 6 years. When I want to hear something I have to consciously put attention on it.

“It’s true, I’ve been at discussion and noticed I had my arms folded and thought unfold the arms so you can be more open.”

JJ: Moving along here. What does it feel like when you do finally reach the soul. You get a nice warm feeling and have the born again emotional energy opened up. Then we have the mental energy opened up, then the intuitional or the soul energy opens up. What does it actually feel like? Has anyone ever felt it? I know Diane felt it one time. Will you tell us what it felt like, Diane? I’d asked Diane to tell if these particular ideas on relationships felt true.

Diane: “I never felt anything like this before. I’d asked Joe how I was supposed to pray. He said to just ask if the teachings were true. Then I just tried to make my mind go blank and see what would happen. This really warm feeling overcame me. It kept getting warmer and warmer and definitely felt like it was an answer. It felt very good and peaceful. Then I started thinking how high is this going to get? That was it. It stopped me.”

JJ: Has anyone else had particular feelings from the soul? You got your answer about the same time, didn’t you? Did it feel about the same?

Audience: “A lot the same. It felt a lot like vibrating.”

JJ: Probably the closest word to describe it is a dissolving feeling. It almost feels like you’re going to disintegrate. The reason it feels dissolving is that if you were to entirely escape illusion, you would actually disappear, you would dissolve. The whole physical world is made of illusion. It’s made of the principle of two, the positive and negative energies vibrate and create the whole universe. When we reach a point of oneness we reach the point where there isn’t two but one then all the physical world would disappear if you were in perfect contact with the soul. If that happened we wouldn’t have this group here tonight. You want to savor each moment in approaching that.

Audience: “We have work we want to accomplish before we do that, we want to work together and if we’re zapping off individually we won’t be here to do that.”

JJ: I’ve been to seminars where they teach about these worlds. There are other worlds and usually it takes about a thousand lifetimes to get up here and another thousand to get there. They say this secret means of soul travel is the only means how you can just zap up there in one lifetime. What they don’t realize is that we came here for a purpose. We didn’t come here just to go back home immediately. When you go on a vacation or to school and it takes four years of school then you graduate then you go and quit and go back home. If you do not finish what you came to do ten you’ll be a lot worse off then the guy who stayed all four years and learned all he was supposed to learn. The important thing is to accept where we are. Let’s learn our lessons and graduate as we’re supposed to instead of wanting to escape in one life. The escapists in the early Christian church eliminated every mention of reincarnation in the Bible and decided to have salvation all in one big jump. A lot of the new age people are still trying to do it in one big jump. We don’t want to do it in one big jump, we want to savor the experience.

In your last lifetime, you review all your lifetimes. You have perfect memory of them all and you go through a state of meditation where you review everything. So unless you’ve done that, you aren’t on your last lifetime.

Audience: “I joined the Eckankar group a few years ago and I’d hope to find there what I have found in this group. Those people are so unevolved as I look back on it, and even at the time, I have since moved on. The leader they had taught me nothing. He had not the slightest perception of what the people in his group were. How can you tell how evolved a person is?”

JJ: It’s a difficult thing to tell. That’s why we should reserve judgment. If you think you’re highly evolved, it’s best to not mention it to anybody. If someone else is lower evolved, it’s best to not mention it.

Audience: “I mean, when you have someone who is trying to lead you through a path that you’ve already gone through and he does this week after week and it never occurs to him that maybe you have already been through it, I would say that maybe he is lacking there.

“Why didn’t you say that if it’s how you felt?

“Well because I kept thinking maybe this is an illusion I’m going through and if I keep trying maybe it will show up.”

Even the cry from the depths is an affirmation: Why cry if there is no hint or hope of hearing? – Martin Marty

Oct 11, 2009

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Loving Relationships, Part 5
The Point of Tension

JJ: I’m going to surprise a lot of people today because I bet there are a lot of people out there who do not know how to have a loving relationship. On the other hand, it might be a disappointment because they really don’t seem that interested in loving relationships, especially when you hear them talk about their spouses as old man, old lady, son of a bitch etc. People don’t seem to put a lot of energy into really loving their spouse.

Audience: “Were you aware that Eckankar was on Saturday night?”

JJ: Are you aware of the topic he spoke on? At least it’s not competing with a loving relationship. We’re going to talk about this book (A Course in Miracles) for just a short period of time tonight. If you’re going to take any course in a decent loving relationship, this is the book. Why is this Artie? What does this have to do with a loving relationship?

Artie: “It talks about putting your ego aside and communicating soul to soul. This is what you need to do in a loving relationship.”

JJ: Why is communicating soul to soul so important in a loving relationship?

Artie: “Because a person is divine when you look at their soul.”

JJ: And how is a person divine?

Artie: “In reality this person is divine, this person is God, the person is light, love, power.”

JJ: If you hate a person or dislike a person, according to the Course in Miracles, are you hating something that is real or not real?

Artie: “You’re seeing their personality and their personality is not real.”

JJ: Okay, so they hate something that isn’t real. Whenever you dislike somebody or have a fight with your spouse, either one or both of you are angry over something that does not really exist. Is everyone thoroughly confused? So, if we’re angry over what is not, what is? Therefore, is you see the real thing within the person, what do you see?

Audience: “You see love.”

JJ: What do you feel?

Audience: “You feel love.”

JJ: Look at Mike here and look at his soul. What do you see?

Audience: “Love!”

JJ: That’s right. Anybody that you look at and look beyond that which is not real, you will see love. Really, to produce a loving relationship, that is all there is to it. Learn that one principle and you’ll never have arguments. You may have a debate but you will never have hurt feelings again. For the rest of your life, you will never be hurt, as long as you see what is real. Whenever you dislike somebody and have a feeling or grudge against them, you are feeling a dislike for something that does not even exist. It’s unbelievable, isn’t it?

Audience: “And it’s a reflection, what you dislike in others is what you dislike in yourself. You’re projecting that trait of the personality on the other.”

JJ: I’ve followed a number of people throughout my life. I’ve watched my friends and listen to their truisms. Then as I watch them get older I find that what they criticized others for being, they become themselves. One friend of mine wouldn’t go out with any girl who was even a couple pounds overweight. He kept criticizing anyone who was overweight and now this person is overweight. It’s not me, by the way. (Laughter) I ran into a person about a week ago who was always 145 pounds and now is about 180.

Audience: “Don’t criticize it or you’ll put some on too.”

JJ: What we see in others is really a reflection of ourselves because who created the world that we are in? We create our world. You’re here right now because this is part of your creation.

Audience: “Do you mean we create our own reality and agree to it?”

JJ: You chose to come to this meeting. You didn’t necessarily create me but you were helping in creating the situation that you are in where I am present. So you have come to this meeting and you have helped create the atmosphere.

Here we are approaching the soul and seeking to dispel the illusions obstructing it. The Course in Miracles doesn’t talk about if there are veils or illusions. The Course tries to get you through all the veils in one giant step. The whole course is designed to get you there. The problem is that many think they’re already there. I can hardly find anybody who doesn’t think they’re centered right in the soul.

Religious people  tell us that Jesus is right there in the their heart. The Born Againers might think they’re seeing Jesus face to face. Rebirth has become a new age word and born again produces a very similar experience. The experience is very much the same but we have these illusions we have to get through to get to the soul. This is a very important principle.

The average man has not broken through any of them. The average person has not been born again, has not had that rebirth, and has not had any particular spiritual experience in his life. Then he begins to get a little bit more evolved than the average and begins to think there has to be more than just drinking, getting married, making a living, etc. He begins to look and he reaches a crisis point that’s called the point of tension.

You cannot break through one of these veils unless you create a point of tension. The point of tension is created by an inflow of energy over a period of time. These veils of illusion have to be broken through by creating this point. On the surface of water, we have a tension on the water itself. You cannot even penetrate water itself unless you penetrate that tension. You can put a steel needle on top of the water and it will float because of the tension of the water. Once it breaks through it will sink. Has everybody tried that experiment of floating a needle on water? Does everybody believe you can do it?

So this is like the point of tension of water. It takes a force to break through. The force is created by the old mantra, which is energy follows thought.

You have to begin to think. Think about your purpose. The average man will start to think, “I’m not forgiven for my sins, I’ve done a lot of naughty things in my life, maybe I should repent and ask Jesus inside my heart.” He starts thinking. He thinks about this stuff and he thinks and he thinks and he thinks until finally the point of tension is reached. When you pull a rubber band so far and you create the point of tension, it will snap. This is what happens. He creates enough tension until the point of tension is reached and all of a sudden, the barrier of illusion is broken through. When it’s broken he finds a surge of new energy that he never felt before because he went from one energy level into another energy level, closer to the soul.

The man gets Jesus in his heart and boy, does it feel good. He has found his goal. Then he goes around the rest of his life with a bumper sticker that says “I found it”. He found this energy right here and it feels really great. It’s nice and warm and now he’s been born again and he’s saved and he’s going to go live with Jesus in the next world and all this stuff.

What he doesn’t realize is that he’s confounded. All he’s done is to transfer from one energy level to another. So here he is walking around in this new energy level and he really feels good. He really feels great and he thinks he found it, but this is his problem. Because he thinks he found it, the desire to advance not with him anymore.

He does not look anymore for a number of lifetimes. Not only one lifetime but sometimes there are many times he will think he has found it. Then in a certain lifetime he will create another point of tension and go through it again. He keeps finding this energy level here. He keeps finding that and thinking that is it. In so many of his past lives he’s thought this is it. Is it? He thinks he’s found it but he hasn’t. Then after a while he begins to get frustrated because finding it hasn’t really completely satisfied him.

After he spends a number of lifetimes having found it he finds out that he hasn’t found it. Then he starts to look again. He begins to look again and begins to think. Instead of just emotionally this time with feeling, he begins to think and open up his mind. Once his mind opens up, he finds a computer programmer in there that’s asleep.

When this computer programmer wakes up, then he goes into the next level. He has a higher inflow of spiritual energy. People will go on a mission and say I found it and the born-again Christian will say I found it but he will really begin to find something greater than the born-again Christian. He’ll try to explain it to them and the born-again Christian will say, ‘yes, I feel that.’ He will say I have found a higher energy level but the born-again Christian will say, “I have found the highest, Jesus”. If you think you found the highest, then we found the same thing. So they’ll argue back and forth. This guy will try to explain it to his fellow born-againers, the higher energy level he’s found. They will just think he’s where they are because there’s nothing higher than the person who’s found Jesus. So this man will be somewhat frustrated for the higher you get up here the more alone you are because there’s fewer people to share it with.

“Anything you fully do is an alone journey.” – Natalie Goldberg

Oct 11, 2009

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Loving Relationships, Part 4
Honest Communication

Audience: “You give examples but I’m talking about a wife who cackles and a guy who snores. They’re not forcing each other to look at the soul. They’re just saying hey you’re really irritating me with your habit. They bicker back and forth. How are they forcing soul contact?”

JJ: You’re talking about a habit like snoring that you can’t do anything about. Even so, if the snoring bothers you it is best to communicate your feelings on it while ceasing to blame him as if he is irritating you on purpose. With something like this you can look upon it as a mutual problem and look for the best solution available.

Then there are other things that you can do something about. If the food is bad you don’t need to say anything unless you need to clear your feelings. Maybe the eggs were burned 10 times in a row and you know the person can do better and should be told. Express your feelings. Don’t react but tell how you feel. That’s the important thing. Being honest isn’t going out and criticizing everybody. It’s means relating how you feel when the need is there.

“It makes me feel bad that I know you can cook a lot better than this and you don’t. It makes me feel that you don’t really care how you feel about me.” This is demanding a response. She thinks, do I care about him or not? If I do care about him let’s see what I can do about this. She’s following her soul. If she’s not, she thinks I’m glad you don’t like it. I’m glad you’re choking on that piece of meat. You deserve it. You didn’t fix the sink yesterday when I told you to, so you deserve this. So subconsciously she didn’t fix good food because of her feelings which now come out.

Then when you get the feelings out in the open you end up making love an hour or two later. It’s all out and everything is better. But getting out the things from the hurt feelings in the important thing.

Remember, don’t criticize but share your feelings. That will help the other person share his feelings. Sharing feelings honestly demands a response from either the soul or the personality. The person you share your feelings with has to decide on whether to go by one or the other. So it does demand a response, always. The person will either respond from the personality of the soul. If he responds from the soul the damage goes back and forth like a ball. The ball bounces this high once, then this high then pretty soon it doesn’t bounce anymore. This is what the negative energy does when the response is from soul. It bounces back and forth until the negative energy is now gone. Then you’ll feel great.

Did you ever notice in personality relationships that if you don’t have a good fight every now that it kind of stagnates? Then you have a really good fight and let out all the energies of the hurt feelings and you feel really great afterwards. When all the hurt feelings get out and they are shared by the energy of the soul and they’re responded to on the soul level, then there will be peace. Until eventually you won’t have any more problems. Eventually you will be in a state of peace.

Audience: “If you had been doing the no denial and no deception in the first place none of this would happen.”

JJ: You’re right.

Audience: “I think you’re painting a clear picture on the idea but I don’t think everyone has those same responses you’ve been describing.”

JJ: Not everybody tries to respond from the soul.

Audience: “That’s not what I’m referring to. I’m referring to the occasional fight to clear the air. That’s not what everybody would do or want to do. That’s not the only way to clear the air.”

JJ: You don’t have to have an occasional fight if the two people consistently respond from the soul level. Sometimes a fight will stimulate a response from the soul level if you reach a point of tension where they say I don’t like this at all and reach for the soul.

Audience: “Sometimes we say things that the other person never needed to hear and that stays with you forever if you say something in anger that you shouldn’t have said.”

JJ: When you show your feelings you shouldn’t be doing it in anger, but you are right we need to avoid insults that cause long lasting emotional harm. I’m not teaching anger here, I’m teaching non-denial. If you have hurt feelings you shouldn’t share them with anger.

Audience: “You said if you blow up and have a fight.”

JJ: I’m not saying you’re supposed to blow up and have a fight. I’m saying having the fight and releasing the feelings is better than not releasing them at all. At least they’re released. I’m not teaching that you’re supposed to go out and have a fight. Having the fight at least brings out the feelings so you understand that the other person was hurt. You have to understand that the other person was hurt.

If you are hurt, you have to decide how you are going to release it. You can say, I am hurt but you just had a rotten day and you don’t understand so I’ll tell you about it. Then you respond and it’s over. If I feel bad and don’t tell you then the next time you come to me I’ll still have those feelings. If we feel something it has to be communicated for what it is. If we pretend all is well it’s a deception and deception leads us further into illusion so we cannot communicate soul to soul.

A sense of humor can help you overlook the unattractive, tolerate the unpleasant, cope with the unexpected, and smile through the unbearable. – Moshe Waldoks

Oct 5, 2009

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Loving Relationships, Part 3
Using the Lion Principle

Question: “Just wondering. How do one stop sending energy? There’s this girl I cannot get over and I prefer not to send her energy anymore since we can not be together. How do I stop?”

JJ: If the valves allowing the flow of romantic love energy are turned on it is difficult indeed to just snap your fingers and turn them off. It helps a lot when one of the parties turns the energy in a different direction. When this happens the main thing that is left is the pull of astral love with no interplay. Interplay, when both parties are sending and receiving energy, is particularly powerful.

The most powerful diversion is another romantic interest. If you wish to end a relationship that still has a lot of pull on you just aggressively look for someone else. The minute you send to another the pull from the first will greatly diminish and no longer be painful.

But suppose you can’t find a replacement. What then? In that case make some goals at self-improvement and plunge into them. This will take your attention off the lost love and focus it elsewhere. Remember energy follows thought.

Question: Shouldn’t you eventually receive love back if you send it out, even if the relations hip has ended?

JJ: Love evokes love and hate evokes hate but not necessarily as a linear reaction.

For instance, Jesus turned the other cheek and loved those who hated him and what happened? They hated him even more and crucified him and persecuted his followers afterwards. Even so, his example has drawn forth untold quantities of love over the centuries.

Many spiritual teachers have been hated and reviled yet hate did not evoke hate from them, but love.

On the other hand, when love and hate are cast into the great spiritual Internet those energies are returned to the sender in some way, and with interest.

When you send love toward a person who has rejected the soul energy of love it confronts him as a strange alien vibration that he doesn’t like. Instead of sending love back he is likely to send hate instead.

To see the soul in another does not mean that you actively send the person love. This must be done with judgment if done at all. When you see the soul in another you see his source and it may be a source that he has totally rejected. Even so, it is the duty of the disciple to see the perfection of the soul in all people but only send love as directed by your own soul. One must be aware of personality problems and avoid danger in relationships as served by common sense.

One must use the Lion Principle in dealing with difficult people. When you visit a lion in a zoo you may realize that, if nor for the cage, he would eat you. Because you are safe you can look upon the majestic beast and see in his soul the glory of God manifested in this life. Does that mean you should break into his cage and give him a hug? Of course not. Wisdom dictates that you appreciate him from a distance.

If you get too close to the lion and he bites your arm, should you then hate him for the rest of your life?

No. You should not hate the lion any more if he bites you than if he does not, for that is his nature whether you are careless enough to get bitten or not.

The difficult people in our lives are like lions that we should see as divine creations but from whom we protect ourselves by keeping a safe distance. We must not give them too much attention, or wrong attention, or they could turn on us.

Audience: “You’re saying turn the other cheek but a few minutes ago you were talking about the fundamentalists who said turn the other cheek and said it was wrong, it seems like a contradiction.”

JJ: I never said to turn the other cheek was wrong. Denial of the feelings is always wrong.

Audience: “When you really feel the love there’s no denying it.”

JJ: We need to escape the denial before we can find the love. If for instance, you feel hate toward somebody, but you say, “I’m a good Christian or I’m a good synthesizer. How can I hate someone? I know I’m highly evolved therefore I must not feel hate. Therefore, I do not feel hate. I feel perfect love all the time.” He keeps saying this mantra over and over, “I feel love because I’m highly evolved.”

He gets himself convinced. He gets himself so convinced and in such a state of denial that he is in an illusionary state of love. It’s not real love but a false love. It doesn’t have the feeling behind it. He forgets what the real feeling is.

So he is in this outer veil of illusion now. He’s in a state of what he thinks is love but it’s a deceptive state, which is covering up a bunch of hate. So how does he find the true love? He has to go backwards. He has to retrace his steps and find the deception and admit how he feels. I admit that I feel that I hate so and so. I really felt bad towards him. I really do. I admit it to myself.

You finally have to admit it to yourself and be honest. The energy of Christ is never deceptive. When you read about His life, He did not practice deception even if He laid His life on the line. When He walked into the Temple, He felt angry they were desecrating it. Did He say, “I’m the Christ, the greatest example of love so therefore I will just love these guys even though they’re desecrating it all. I’ll still love them.” He admitted it. He admitted to Himself that He was angry. He said I hate this, this is terrible. I’m going to do something about it. So He made a whip and chased them all out.

Audience: “But He didn’t hate them necessarily.”

JJ: No, but He was angry. He fulfilled the scripture that the evil In his Father’s house could eat him up and He was eaten up with that feeling of anger toward what they were doing. But anger is a divine reflection of love. Anger is produced through the frustration of acquiring that, which is love. He desired very strongly that people reverenced His Father and they were not doing that so He was frustrated. It produces a natural anger. It does that in everyone. He was honest. He expressed it then He was at peace. He did His duty, he expressed it and He let others know, then it was over.

If He didn’t do that He wouldn’t have been able to be the Christ if He hadn’t admitted that He was angry. If you are angry, admit it. One shouldn’t think, “I’m so evolved that I can’t get angry.” We must recognize what we feel. This takes us the next step up. Then when we recognize it we can deal with it. By telling the offender about it, it becomes his responsibility.

If he accepts it wrongly, he’ll feel bad. If he accepts it rightly, he’ll say, “I didn’t mean to make you feel that way, what can we do to fix this situation?” If we talk about it and create a solution and all of a sudden the burden is lifted. Now we both feel good. We have both restored our communication. Now, even with my friend Wayne we can look on our souls. We can look on each other’s souls and be uplifted. This denial that leads to deception is the big problem that keeps us from soul contact. Whatever we desire, if you feel like raping the Bishop’s wife, admit it to yourself. No matter how weird it is, admit that you feel like doing it.

Audience: “Do you have to admit these things to yourself or to the other? Sometimes you can be too honest.”

JJ: You probably do not want to tell the Bishop or his wife but you do want to admit it to yourself and be honest with the feelings you do reveal.

For instance, let’s say I feel angry with Wayne and just admitting it to myself is enough. Let’s say I feel angry with Wayne, I admit it to myself but the negativity hasn’t lifted yet. I’m still angry. What can I do now? There’s only one solution.

Audience: “Bop him on the nose!”

JJ: That’s right. I could bop him on the nose to communicate to him that I’m angry with him. He gets the message. But that’s a destructive way to do it. But it’s better to do it that way then not do it at all. It’s better to bop him on the nose than to keep it to myself.

There is a better way to do it. I can go to him in a spirit of love and even though I’m angry with him I can still see the Christ within him. I know that Christ can be restored. So let’s restore it. I can say, “Wayne I’m angry with you.” We can discuss it and restore it.

If he responds bitterly, I got it off my chest and if he wants to feel bad about it that’s his choice. Actually, I’d feel guilty because he can’t handle that. So I let him have it. But if he does handle it we restore soul contact and he can look at my soul and I can look at his. But if he doesn’t handle it well I can still look at his. I can now look beyond personality.

Audience: “I think when you do that though you need to ask him if he’s willing to let it pass. Lots of people do a lot of things and just want to let it pass.

“I could go to Wayne and say this is how I feel. These are my feelings. I’m not saying you’re a jerk. If you don’t want to change, if you’d do this and this and this you’d be a decent person. I tell him how I feel.”

JJ: Right, tell him how you feel. That’s important. What if you tell him how you feel and he takes it incorrectly? Sometimes no matter how nice you are in telling him how you feel he might still be hurt. If he takes it correctly or takes it incorrectly, you still tried.

Audience: “The very method you chose to present our anger is one way of using tact.”

JJ: I’ll get back to that. We do want to use tact but I was advising to see what you’re doing with the person. You’re forcing him to look at his faults. If they don’t want to look at their faults, it doesn’t matter how tactful you are. If they’re not ready, they won’t hear.

All improvement comes from energy of the soul. If you’ve done something to hurt me that means that maybe you have some fault in the personality that did that to me. So, if I come to you and say that hurt my feelings, I’m forcing you to look at your soul and admit something is wrong with what you did. If you contact the soul you’ll feel sort of bad that you hurt the other guy’s feelings.

But if you don’t contact the soul, you won’t feel bad at all. You’ll think he deserves it. Really what I’m doing is forcing you to look at your soul. If you don’t want to look at your soul and get the message then you don’t make contact and then you’ll think the guy deserves to feel bad. But if you look at your soul you will feel that energy saying, do something about this. Me sharing my feelings with you is calling forth a response, a decision to go by the soul or go by the personality. It’s forcing you to decide to go one way or another.

Find the grain of truth in criticism— chew it  swallow it. – Don Sutton

Oct 4, 2009

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Loving Relationships, Part 2
Overlooking the Personality

Audience: “It seems to be either my understanding is off or is there a big dimension missing here? Given, everybody has a soul and any two people could fall in love. That part doesn’t make sense to me. You could hitch a Clydesdale and a Shetland together and they may like to rub noses but they’ll never get any work done. (Laughter) There are enough people and differences between people that the numbers of people that would be a good partner for you are greatly reduced.”

JJ: I didn’t say anyone could be a good partner for you. I said you could fall in love with any person. A person doesn’t have to be a good partner for you to fall in love with him or her.

Audience: “That’s what I was asking, do you have to clear it with the mind before you get to the soul?”

JJ: No, you have to control it with the mind. If, for instance, let’s say Kathy isn’t very good looking. You wouldn’t normally fall in love so you do an experiment. How is love created? Sending energy to the person and getting the energy returned creates romantic love. So it doesn’t matter what she looks like or whether you like her or not. The question is whether your mind is in charge. If your mind is in charge of the energy, you have power to send it. How is your mind in charge of energy? If you decide it is. That’s all you have to do. I just have to decide that my mind is in charge of the energy that I send out and collect.

So though Kathy is kind of a frump, I send her the energy, and by George, she’s really flattered. I’m the first guy who’s ever done this to her. She sends energy back and you’re in control. Your mind is in perfect change. You realize she isn’t that good looking but you get this energy back that you sent. So you sit back and bask in it a little bit. Feel it, it feels just like it does from the good-looking girl. There’s really no difference if the form is bypassed. Your mind is in charge so you have the power to send and receive to any person. The reason most people don’t send to Kathy is because they think she’s a frump so they ignore her. But you are a rare person who has a mind in charge so you can decide to do whatever it is you want to do.

Audience: “Maybe we’re isolated on an island, just the two of us, me and Kathy Frump.

“So are the differences in people just in the personality?”

JJ: What do you mean?

Audience: “Well there are so many differences between one person and another but they can see eye to eye on stuff so is the difference just in the personality?”

JJ: The differences are in the personality. Because the personality is difficult to overlook, you want to find a personality that’s as pleasing as possible, but the point is that it doesn’t matter how difficult the personality is, if you can overlook it, you can share love energy. That’s all there is to it, just overlooking the personality.

Now because a person may understand that any two people can fall in love this doesn’t mean love will come easy to Kathy. Even enlightened people are attracted to beauty and will choose beauty over plainness. Kathy will have to work harder to let her inner beauty shine so she can draw someone who will look beyond the form to her soul.

The thing is, even though the person is an animal when you first meet him, sooner or later you’re going to have to overlook the personality because the personality always shows up as being different than your own. They have different habits; they want different things. Sooner or later you will have to overlook the personality if you want the relationship. If you do what will happen? The love energy you felt when you first fell in love will be there year after year after year.

Then it will be life after life after life and that love energy will never go away. It’s that simple. Just by overlooking the personality.

You’d be talking about personality there because in our souls we’re all linked to Divine energy and love. Though our personalities are different, a complementary part of someone else’s personality can attract you. A similar part will also attract each other. For instance, if one person was a writer and writes everything in long hand and his wife has a word processor and can type it all out for him – this creates a complementary aspect of the personality that will help things run smoothly. It should be a basis of soul to soul contact. Even if his wife can’t help him with typing, he should still be able to look at the soul, looking beyond the personality into the soul. It’s very easy to preach but hard to do.

Audience: “I think it’s hard to find two people who are interested in reaching the soul.”

JJ: To reach the soul the first thing you need to accept this word: forgiveness. You must forgive because we hurt each other’s feelings often. We must forgive and work through our denials. What clouds the soul is denial. It’s very, very easy to deny. When you’re in a relationship and you hurt somebody’s feelings or somebody hurts your feelings, you think well that kind of bothered me but if I bring it up it will create a fight so I’m going to pretend that I’m happy. I’m going to pretend that it didn’t bother me. What are you doing? You’re deceiving.

In deception you create a cloud to the soul. You cloud the soul and you go through a deception and if your soul is clouded it makes the personality more obvious to the one that you love. You can now reveal the personality much easier because you’re not revealing your soul to her. You’re covering your soul up with a deception. It seems to honest and seems like you’re doing such a good thing to make the peace by saying that doesn’t bother me. You go through this process of covering it up and pretending that you don’t feel what you do feel. You’re lying when you do this.

Many teach that it’s great when you do this, it’s great when you’re being a martyr and covering up all your feelings. Really what we’re doing is we’re covering up the soul so the personality is more obvious, and it’s hard for your mate to see the soul and it’s hard for you to see the soul because you let your personality show and she’s seeing it.

Audience: “It’s not the soul that’s angry, it’s the personality.”

JJ: Right the personality is angry as an illusion. We’re in illusion whenever we get angry. We’re angry at something that is not. So the first thing we have to do is look within ourselves and see what are the key thoughts, what are the key thoughts of God. Look within and find the thoughts of God. When we find those thoughts, we find ourselves in a state of perfect peace, the peace that passes all understanding. In that state of peace, it is impossible to deceive. In that state where it’s impossible to deceive we then see the Christ in the other person. The Course of Miracles gives a really good exercise. It tells us to pick out the person in our life, you know who he is, that irritates you and bothers you more than any other person. Everybody has that one person. Then go through a realization and realize that this person is your savior. When you can see God in that person, when you can see this person’s soul, and establish soul to soul communication with this person, and not be mad no matter what his reaction is to you, you’re saved. You’re saved because if you take that person who irritates you the most and if you can love him, then nothing can take away your love. You are saved therefore he’s your savior. That’s basically what salvation is.

Audience: “So you don’t change him.”

JJ: Right, you don’t change him, you just accept him. See the God in him, whether he be Hitler or Nero or Ronald Reagan or whoever he may be.

Audience: “Okay so you accept him and he makes you mad, do you tell him that he makes you mad?”

JJ: Sure. You always use total honesty.

Audience: “Does he take that as love when you do that?”

JJ: Probably not but what you feel is what is important, not him. He can hate you, he can jump up and down, he can scream.

Audience: “But he’s going to feel more hate back to you for doing that.”

JJ: It doesn’t matter. If you are in a state where you are centered in the soul, you will only feel love towards him. No matter what he does, you will not let his reaction determine your peace.

Audience: “People have gotten killed or persecuted by loving their enemies.”

JJ: Yes, Jesus preached forgiveness and love, but they still crucified him, but even on the cross he looked beyond the personality and said, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”

You do not have to place yourself in a torturous relationship with your irritating “savior.” This irritating person in your life will take care of that. You just have to filter out his negativity and look upon the soul while staying out of his way as much as possible.

If you’ve had a good time playing the game, you’re a winner even if you lose. – Malcolm Forbes

Oct 1, 2009

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Loving Relationships, Part 1

The following is the text to a presentation I gave some years ago.

JJ: We’re going to have a class on how to manifest love. Once we manifest this love, we won’t have to think about solving any problems, they will just automatically take care of themselves. The person, who is in the wrong, when love is contacted, will automatically begin to retract, apologize and see where they’re wrong.

When love is contacted, illusion is dispelled, and if both parties are in the wrong, both of them will begin to retract and be centered correctly. If one of them is in the wrong, then the one in the wrong will begin to feel that they did something wrong and make amends and the relationship will automatically get back on track. You won’t have to read some big manual or go to a marriage counselor or do anything, it will just happen automatically.

Think of the time, sometime, that you fell in love with someone. When you fall in love with another person, what happens is you look beyond personality. Why are you able to look beyond personality when you first meet somebody who is good looking, has a lot of animal magnetism and a picture-perfect face? Why are you able to look beyond the personality?

Audience: “Because you project your own expectations on them.”

“Because they hide their true personality from you.”

JJ: That’s true, sometimes they do hide it from you but they hide it good enough that you look beyond the personality, and even though the person may be loathed, even though everybody that knows him really hates him someone new may be able to look upon his soul if they do not have the baggage of negativity in their memory.

When you first meet someone who’s really stimulating, you look beyond personality and what happens? You begin to fall in love. It feels really great. Why does it feel so good?

Audience: “You’re blind!”

JJ: You’re blind to the personality. You’re overlooking the personality. You think, “Boy, are we in love and does it feel great! We’re in seventh heaven.”

Audience: “My theory on that is you overlook the personality because you know nothing about that person and have nothing to lose and nothing to gain and you’re perfectly free to look for the best in them.”

JJ: Right, that’s what you do. You look for the best in them. You don’t see anything bad. You don’t see anything but the soul. We’re all a reflection of the soul after all. You can see the soul when you look in their eyes and you feel so good. Then slowly you begin to find something bad about them, about their personality. You begin to find out that maybe the guy is a slob or maybe he doesn’t wash his shorts often enough or maybe he doesn’t comb his hair good enough or maybe he’s got zits or maybe he doesn’t have a hairy chest or maybe he does have a hairy chest! You find out a bunch of these little weird things about the guy or the gal. You don’t look in his eyes. You don’t look at his soul anymore but you’re looking at the chest, you’re looking at the hair or no hair, you’re looking at a tub of lard. You’re looking at the guy who cussed at you the other day or talked about you behind your back. You begin looking at the personality. When you’re looking at the personality, what don’t you see?

Audience: “The soul.”

JJ: Right, they don’t see the soul anymore then they become just a regular married couple. They’re a regular married couple that is seeing personality to personality with no more soul contact.

Audience: “The personality never satisfies so you could be married to a movie star and never be happy because of personalities.”

JJ: That’s right. You can be married to the president of the United States, a movie star or whatever. Divorce is high among movie stars. You’d think somebody would be enraptured by a movie star but they don’t stay that way because they begin to see the personality after a while. They don’t see the soul anymore, because they are seeing what is not real. Everything is an illusion. The personality never satisfies. This is important, the personality never satisfies. That’s why, if you’re falling in love with the personality, you’ll never be satisfied. You’ll never be happy as long as you’re trying to love the personality.

As long as you say, just get rid of this one final fault you have then I will love you with all my heart. The guy gets rid of the fault and she’s still looking at the personality and another fault appears. Just get a nose job then I will love you. So the guy gets a nose job and she says, now, just get me a new sports car. Then I will love you more. He gets her a new sports car and she’s still not satisfied. She’s never satisfied until one more thing when you’re dealing with the personality.

There’s always one more thing to acquire to get to the perfection. We’re always looking for one more thing with the personality. We have to look beyond the personality and see beyond it. Especially when we’re dealing with money, we really need to forget about the personality. But we need to look on the soul. Wayne is one of my best friends and I look at his soul.

It is possible for anybody in this room to fall in love with anybody else in this room, as long as they’re the sex they desire. You need the opposite polarity so the two opposites can unite and become one. Even gays who are the same sex will experience the polarities for one partner will be the overall sender and the other the receiver.

Audience: “But the soul is sexless.”

Audience: “Yeah, really the souls don’t have sexes.”

JJ: The creation of sex is a reflection of the soul. The union of the sexual polarities produces soul contact. The division in the dualities is what produces sexes and positive and negative and what produces the illusion. To escape the illusion, we have to have the unity. To produce the unity, we need the positive and negative uniting into one.

Now, looking beyond sex, any man in this room can love any woman in this room and any woman can love any man but not necessarily as a romantic love. It’ll be a spiritual love. A romantic love is a reflection of the higher. That’s why it’s a different type of energy. We have the soul love out here then below this we have the reflection of the soul love.

The soul love is in the soul. It’s three bodies, the astral body, the mental body or the mind and the physical body. On the intuitional level is pure spiritual love. Then we have the mind and below this is the astral. The astral is the reflection of the soul. A romantic love is the reflection of the soul love. It’s kind of backwards. Romantic love is possessive where soul love is not. Possessiveness is not bad, astral love is not bad, it’s a part of the world we live in and needs to be accepted and go with the energy flow. The important point to remember is that it’s a reflection and has different qualities and a lower vibration. The soul love is a much higher vibration and a higher octave. Romantic isn’t real, it’s a stepping stone to lead us to something higher.

Audience: “Are you saying that romantic love is a way of contacting the soul but we have a hard time accessing it because it’s of a lower vibration.”

JJ: It’s not hard, it’s very easy. That’s the weird thing about it. Creating soul love is extremely easy. The one thing needed is to look beyond the personality. The problem is that because of our mindsets we make it much more difficult than it should be. You can still have astral love but with the soul love you have to look beyond the personality. Now the astral love is a stepping stone to the soul love. This is the first love people feel as their going through their lifetimes. They will begin to fall in love with somebody long before they ever figure out soul love.

Audience: “It gets it in motion, love and contact?”

JJ: Right and they will make this contact and they will eventually realize there is something really great. Astral love leads us up to the higher love. People will feel this for many lifetimes before they feel the higher, but eventually they want more than just this astral love. They want soul love. You can feel that with anyone. This is the most important love. When you’re in the astral love and you also have the soul love, then you have the better of two worlds. That love energy will never go away. It will never disappear.

Audience: “I have one more question. Do you have to sneak the astral past the mind in order to be acceptable? I can experience astral love or soul love but it seems like a critical judgment if this is healthy for me to bring this relationship into the real world, if its life supporting or not.”

JJ: Energy follows thought. As long as a person is looking at the personality and using that as criteria for acceptance, it will snuff out the soul love in one degree or another. So we have to look for the soul love and decide when we’re going to accept the person in a relationship. Make the decision, am I going to accept this person or not? If you accept them, then look beyond the personality and go from there. If you don’t look beyond the personality then there’s going to be a problem. This happens by mentally or emotionally judging a person but the key is acceptance. Acceptance is such an easy key that we don’t recognize it oftentimes. We need to accept each other if we are to find soul love.

To look beyond the personality is to be blind to the personality. You check out these people who go from one relationship to another and they’re never satisfied. A lot of people do this. They will fall in love; they will look beyond the personality then they shift and look at the personality. The personality isn’t something they can love so they leave the guy and they go to the next person. They don’t know him very well so they can again look beyond the personality and feel that love. Then they discover their personality again and judge him by his personality and fall out of love and move on to the next person. People go through this series again and again and again. The key to this again, is to look beyond. Decide not to judge a person by their personality; sum him up as well as you can during the courtship period, then decide whether or not you’re going to accept the whole person. If you can accept, then look beyond the personality onto the soul.

Audience: “One more question. What if the person goes away? Then is it time to end that relationship?”

Audience: “Well it takes two people to do that. One person can’t do that without the other person doing it back.”

JJ: This is a good point. To create this soul love unity, you can’t do it with just one person. It takes two. It’s impossible with one. If Mike is in love with this lady and she is looking beyond the personality and she is looking at the soul then what will happen if she does not return the love? If she doesn’t return his love there’s no interchange. There’s no exchange of energies so pretty soon Mike will be drained of his energy to the point where he will stop sharing his energy and eventually, he will stop.

Unless a person is famous or something and he’s so magnetic that a fan is just a groupie, we have to have two. In looking for any relationship, that’s what you want to look for in the sharing and loving. If they won’t well, why create a relationship with just you? You’re really just having a relationship with you. You sending out love energy and that’s it. You need the love energy returned. If it’s not returned go find somebody who will return it.

When love and skill work together, expect a masterpiece. – John Ruskin

Sept 29, 2009

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