Stelle and Reincarnation

Stelle and Reincarnation

In a recent post a member tells us he was involved with Richard Kieninger’s group. Richard is the author of The Ultimate Frontier and founder of the Stelle Group in Illinois and later The Adelphi Organization in Quinlan, Texas.

In his book, first published in 1963, he described a number of meetings with the Brotherhood of Light where he was given a numerous teachings and assignments.

He was told to build a city called Stelle in Illinois to prepare for a cataclysm which would come around 1977. He was told that it would soon reach a population of 250,000.

Richard was asked to leave his own group twice. He blamed his loss of power on conspiracies within, but those who tried him for memberships claimed sexual indiscretions.

He left Stelle permanently in the 1980’s and founded The Adelphi Organization in Quinlan, Texas.

He made additional prophecies of World War III in 1999 and that a new land would rise out of the Pacific Ocean on May 5, 2000 where a new nation would be created by their group. By this time 90% of the world’s population was to have been destroyed.

The last I heard of Richard he was in jail for bank fraud. I just went to the Adelphi Web site and it indicates he died in 2002. I’m not sure if he died in jail or not.

I read his book, The Ultimate Frontier over twenty years ago and found it very fascinating and had some quite interesting teachings in it. I found it interesting enough to call him up and ask him some questions and later take a trip to Stelle and check it out.

When I visited Stelle around 1982 there were only about a dozen people living there. Most had departed to Texas and the homes left were very unkempt and the little community was being overrun by weeds.

I talked to several who were living there to get a feeling of their mindset and was disappointed at their lack of independent thought – that they seemed to prefer an authoritative structure, very similar to the Mormon Church.

Richard’s followers say that he has contact with the true brotherhood and they are the source of his teachings. His critics say that he got his material from the Lemurian Fellowship from Ramona California that he joined in the 1950’s. Elizabeth Claire Prophet also got inspiration from this group.

Richard also teaches about the two brotherhoods, but instead of calling the bad guys the Dark Brotherhood he calls them “Black Mentalists.” He claims they control their followers with mind control.

Richard claims that the Masters who worked through H. P. Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey were black mentalists, even though there seems to be no record of his teachers telling him this. It appears that he came to this conclusion on his own. He seemed to have very little knowledge of the Bailey teachings but did seem to study other esoteric trains of thought.

Several old timers in the group have been associated with Richard’s group. Rick, the founder of the Keys was very heavily into the group and lived and worked with them.

All things express their nature. As you wear a feeling it becomes your nature. It might take a moment or a year – it is entirely dependent upon the degree of conviction. As doubts vanish and you can feel “I AM this,” you begin to develop the fruit or the nature of the thing you are feeling yourself to be. Neville

Signs of Reincarnation

Question: Did you ever do a handwriting analysis of Alice Bailey and Joseph Smith? If they had so many similar experiences in their lives, then maybe JS came back as AB.

JJ: I think I mentioned a few months ago that I did come across Alice A. Bailey’s handwriting and rated her intelligence as not as high as H. P. Blavatsky. She was intelligent but not high enough to have invented the writings she scribed.

I had wanted to examine her handwriting for some time and finally found her signature for sale on E-Bay. I bid on it but didn’t get it, but did manage to download a scan of it.

Alice A. Bailey and Joseph’s Smith’s writing had too many fundamental differences for them to be the same person.

Proving identity of different lifetimes through handwriting is tricky because there will always be some changes. If we look at a person’s handwriting in his youth, middle and old age we will generally see some significant differences, yet there will be certain threads that will be very similar, especially when we look at basic intelligence. The quality of intelligence never reverses (unless there is brain damage) and this is the most telling thing to look for.

Discovering past lives through handwriting is what first convinced me of reincarnation and lead me out of orthodox religious thought.

As I said, normally handwriting varies within a lifetime, let alone several lifetimes, so a conclusive match is difficult to produce. However, I had a particular associate that was a good test case. I had the advantage of looking at this person’s writing from an early age and found that the handwriting had changed very little throughout this life. I therefore, concluded this would be a good test case as I had a feeling as to who this entity was in a past life.

I was fortunate to be able to obtain the writing of this person’s potential past life and when I laid the two handwritings side by side I was stunned.

I recently compared JFK’s writing with H. P. Blavatsky and was impressed by the similarities, (See post #803-805)  but in the case of my associate the comparison was almost an exact match. In addition, there were several little idiosyncrasies that I couldn’t recall seeing in any other handwriting that were in these two.

As I stared at these two writings that matched beyond any possibility of chance my consciousness instantly changed. I realized that reincarnation was a fact and that everything I believed had to be taken apart and put back together again.

That was back around 1972 and a lot of water has run under the bridge since then. Since that time I have received many other impressive witnesses of past lives, many of which I cannot talk about. Most teachers who talk about their past lives are deluded because of glamour and it usually serves no useful purpose even if they are accurate. Suffice it to say that if the handwriting sample didn’t convince me then other things that have happened since then certainly would have.

Reincarnation is indeed a pivotal doctrine for once the truth of it is seen we can no longer swallow orthodox religious thinking and are forced to use our own mind to find the real truth behind the illusions, the outward authorities and past programming.

“Let the weak man say, ‘I am strong’ (Joel 3:10), for by his assumption, the cause substance – I AM – is rearranged and must, therefore, manifest that which its rearrangement affirms. This principle governs every aspect of life, be it social, financial, intellectual or spiritual. Neville

Feb 23, 2004

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Emotional Issues

Emotional Issues

Let us continue our discussion corresponding our time to the civil war era.

We have already discussed a number of topics that the nation is currently warring over. Instead of one main issue – slavery with a subsidiary issue of states rights, we seem to have many issues. Some we have discussed are abortion, death penalty, the war in Iraq, conspiracies, euthanasia, drunk driving and a few others.

It seems that the current astral civil war is over a plethora of issues instead of the one. Almost every week some new issue comes up that severely divides the people.

The latest issue (in Feb 2004) is the issuance of marriage licenses for gays by the mayor of San Francisco. Part of the population feel he should be immediately arrested and the other part feel he should be given a medal.

Before this we had the opposite situation where a judge on the right wing defied the law by refusing to remove the Ten Commandments from his courthouse. Again a good portion of the people thought he should be arrested and the other part thought he should be given an award.

It is interesting how similar the above two issues are. Here are some of them.

(1) Both sides feel that their freedom and civil rights are at stake.

(2) Both sides feel very strongly that they should have their way.

(3) Both sides feel their issue is of extreme importance and the other side is trivial that the other guy should just follow the law and let it go – but their issue is above the law.

(4) Neither side is trying to have empathy for the other point of view.

(5) Both have an approach filled with religious zeal.

(6) Both are unconcerned with majority will.

(7) Both condemn each other in numerous ways.

(8) Neither issue is of much importance in the scheme of things, but each side attaches sublime importance to their view.

This last statement will alarm people on the left and right so let me explain.

On the Right:

It is of little consequence as to whether a monument for the Ten Commandments is allowed in a courthouse as long as freedom of speech is not curtailed or as long as people are free to place whatever they wish (within reason) on private property. What matters more is that justice is administered by the courts.

On an issue like this the matter should be determined by the will of the majority and not an activist judge – especially since the matter can be argued both ways from the Constitution.

On the Left.

I do not see this as a significant issue one way or another either. Why?

I use the golden rule here.

What if the State were to tell me I couldn’t have a piece of paper certifying that I was married, but that was all the further they went?

This wouldn’t bother me in the least.

Why?

Because true marriage is a commitment between two people and really has nothing to do with a piece of paper. The document only has a physiological effect and that’s about it. I do not need the psychological effect.

Both of these matters have more to do with psychological effect than any real effect. To see that this is true all one needs to do is imagine what life would be like if the right and the left quit feeling so passionate about these and other issues and moved ahead and lived within the system as it is. Would things be different either way?

Not much.

Both sides are often upset because of attachment to their issues rather than the real effect behind their issues.

Because then of the golden rule I cannot get excited one way or another about gay marriage because I’m not excited for myself about the piece of paper granted by the state to begin with. If I am not that concerned about myself I have a hard time getting excited about it for someone else.

On the other hand, my real marriage to my wife which is my commitment to her is of profound importance that far overshadows the approval of the State and makes the certificate it gives pale in significance.

It is true that there are some legal advantages to being married, but there are disadvantages also. I think they about cancel each other out.

I do think that if they do legalize gay marriages that they should also do the same for polygamists who have just as good of a case. I have a number of friends, and even family, who are polygamists and they are always in danger of the State giving them grief – not just telling them they can’t get married but going after them for breaking the law. At least the gays can have a partnership without fear of going against the law.

I don’t agree with polygamy, but if the relationship is entered into with free will and they aren’t hurting anyone they should be left to live their lives in peace.

An interesting point here is that there is no Hebrew word for “marriage,” “wife” or “husband” in the old testament. When a man married a woman it merely reads that he “took a woman,” or something to that effect.

All these emotional issues are only representative of a larger issue – the same issue which started the first civil war. And what is this large issue?

Freedom.

The funny thing about the first civil war is that both sides claimed to be fighting for this principle.

How is that you say? How could the southern states who fought to keep their slaves claim to be fighting for freedom?

A number of ways.

(1) Economic freedom. They claimed that the slaves gave them economic freedom and without them this freedom would be lost. They used this argument even though the North was much wealthier without slaves. They also felt the Negro couldn’t handle freedom so they were not taking anything away from them.

(2) They were fighting for the freedom of States Rights, even though they felt a state had the right to enslave a race of people.

(3) They fought for the freedom to maintain their way of life which included slavery.

Now several generations have passed it is obvious to us that the cause of the North represented the true moving ahead of freedom, but rest assured the demarcation was not clear in that age. In that time the South was so sure they represented the greater freedom that they were willing to send their children off to die for the cause.

Even so, in our age is the fight again over freedom. We have the many fighting for illusionary freedom that leads to bondage and only a few who are willing to raise the banner for true freedom.

So where are those fighting for illusionary freedom and where are those fighting for true freedom? What separates the illusion from the reality today? That is the question.

To state “I shall be well,” is to say, “I am ill.” Neville

Feb 21, 2004

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Squares to Triangles

Squares to Triangles

I agree with a comment that the present situation corresponds very closely to that of the civil war. As I said recently, I believe we are having a civil war on the astral level, but this time it engulfs Western Civilization rather than just the United States.

Concerning the period we spend in the spirit realm between lives I believe I recently have written that the average period is around 5-600 years. There are two groups that experience short periods between incarnation.

First those with a low vibration attached to the material world. Murders are included in this and often come back quickly. However, when the vibration of the entire planet is sufficiently raised these individuals will have much longer periods between lives.

Secondly, disciples who have paid off most of the negative karma and have the ability to choose their time. They sometimes bypass the heavenly bliss that is available and come right back into incarnation so they can continue a service.

A reader quotes DK:

“I would remind you that the release of atomic energy has had a far more potent effect in the etheric web than in the dense physical vehicle of the planet. Three times the atomic bomb was used, and that fact is itself significant. It was used twice in Japan, thereby disrupting the etheric web in what you erroneously call the Far East; it was used once in what is also universally called the Far West, and each time a great area of disruption was formed which will have future potent, and at present unsuspected, results.” Discipleship in the New Age, Vol 2 Page 61

When DK says “unsuspected” it leaves me considering lots of things. 🙂 Any idea of what these future potent and unsuspected results may be? Why is ‘three’ significant in this case?

JJ: Some students read this and think that these unsuspected results are going to be something bad. But if this would be the case with three small bombs then what about the results nuclear testing later on of dozens of bombs much larger than the original releasing hundreds of time more radiation than was the case when DK wrote this? Logically, it would seem that if this unexpected result were negative and far reaching then we would now be in the midst of a cataclysm and such is not the case.

One of the reasons we read this and wonder where the unexpected results are is that much of what was unexpected in DK’s time is known today and doesn’t seem unexpected.

This unexpected result plays out in the negative and positive. On the negative side is the effect of radiation on the etheric double of the physical which thus effects the dense physical with deterioration, disease, mutations etc. Many studies of those effected at Hiroshima and Nagasaki revealed many “unexpected” findings of intense radiation on physical well being.

There are unexpected results on the positive side yet to be discovered. There are some rough studies that indicate that the slight increases in radiation throughout the world may actually produce numerous positive effects, but it is presently politically incorrect to follow this line of research as political correctness decrees that anything connected with atomic energy is evil.

When we rise above our primitive thinking the world will eventually become aware that atomic radiation is like a medicine. Too much can make you sick or kill, but just enough can stimulate and heal. Most present environmentalist categorically state that any increase in radiation, even a miniscule amount is to be deplored and attacked at all costs.

In addition DK said this:

My problem has been to choose which of the myriad interlocking triangular relationships I would take up with you and thus present this science in such a manner that it would prove of real interest. The inner web of light which is called the etheric body of the planet is essentially a web of triangles and when the evolutionary process is completed, it will have been organised. At present a pattern of squares is the major construction of the web but this is slowly changing as the divine plan works out. The etheric webs of the sacred planets are largely triangles whilst that of the Sun is that of interlaced circles. The effort on Earth today (as seen by the planetary Logos) is to bring about a transformation of the web of the planet and thus slowly change the existing squares into triangles. This is done by the creation of division, by the application of the Law of Separation, but also by the recognition, in consciousness, of duality, the application of directed motion and the appearance of two triangles in the place of one square. When this has taken place, the perceiving consciousness recognises identity and the rule of the square is ended. These words were once spoken to me by an ancient seer who bisected the square esoterically, thus forming two triangles and united them in a fresh manifestation to form a Star of Life. Ponder on this.

It is for this reason that the astrologers of the future will emphasise the relation and the interrelation of triangles. The new astrologer will, as I have hinted before, lay the emphasis upon:The Science of Triangles, as the result of the growth of the initiate understanding. Esoteric Astrology Pg 480

Glenys was on to something when she suspected the square patterns in the etheric web will be assisted in changing to triangles through atomic energy. The hint is given above when DK says: “This is done by the creation of division, … the application of directed motion and the appearance of two triangles in the place of one square.

What happens in an atomic explosion?

Again we have “the creation of division”… the appearance of two atoms in the place of one original atom.

Note the sublime correspondence here.

DK said that the splitting of the atom was an initiation for matter itself indicating a leap in evolution. He also said that the leap in the evolution of the etheric web will be the spitting of the square into two triangles of living substance.

All we need do now is to add two and two and realize that the initiation of matter through the splitting of the atom will indeed stimulate the evolution of the etheric web.

The full results of this will take over a thousand years to see, but we have already witnessed much by the tremendous changes we have seen in every department of life through the geometric progression of knowledge since 1945. The splitting of the square into triangles has allowed more light to permeate our consciousness. It is also interesting to note that DK started triangular relationships among disciples shortly before the splitting of the atom.

A reader made an interesting proposal. He suggests we take my analogy that the situation we are in now corresponds to the U.S. civil war but on an astral level and make the comparisons.

This may be interesting. so we’ll start by comparing Bush/Lincoln. Here are some interesting points.

(1) Both were elected in that dangerous year ending with zero calling in a strong Saturn influence as it has been occurring in twenty year cycles. Every president Since Lincoln, presiidents elected during this twenty year cycle has either died or been shot while in office.

On an astral level Bush suffered a strong psychic attack because of the bitter feelings over the phenomenally close election of 2000. Let us hope that is as far as it goes.

(2) Bush was elected 140 years after Lincoln which completes 7 of the twenty year cycles. Seven is a number of completion which would indicate a new cycle with a possible new type of civil war emerging.

(3) Neither received the majority of the popular vote.

(4) Neither were accepted by the Democrats as a legitimate president from the time of the election.

(5) Both men changed the face of the Republican party.

(6) Both had conservative views yet increased the size of the federal government.

(7) Both were forced to fight an unpopular war which was despised by the majority of the Democrats.

(8) The press portrayed both men as lacking in intelligence and grace.

(9) Both were underestimated and hated by their enemies and loved by their friends.

(10) Through war both freed millions from slavery or tyranny and both have been accused of not having this as one of their main motives.

(11) On reelection both ran against a pacifist war hero with a questionable past (Assuming Bush runs against Kerry).

(12) Both spent tremendous sums of money.

There are, of course, a number of differences, but the similarities are interesting.

The coming election (Nov 2004) will be interesting and whoever looses will feel like rebelling against those in power so the situation will require the greatest wisdom.

I have said that I expect Bush to win but when you see that people are so volatile that they fluctuate as many as ten points in one day in the polls one can see that some wild card event can change the election at the last moment.

Several days before the 2000 election the Democrats released a DUI charge on Bush that he did not have time to do damage control with and cost him about 4 points and made for the closest election in history.

There have been a lot of predictions over the last thirty years of the United States splitting into several territories through a difference in ideology or because of earth changes, World War III, Conspiracy or whatever. These predictions vary from a dual split to 6 or twelve smaller countries.

We currently have a powerful division between conservatives and liberals, but even though there may be great discontent in the near future a physical division within the country between conservatives and liberals is unlikely.

Why?

Because there is no such thing as a pure conservative or pure liberal state. Take Idaho. For instance. It is the most Republican dominated State in the United States making it as conservative as they come. Even so, the democratic and liberal influence is quite strong.. We sent Frank Church to the Senate, a man after Ted Kennedy’s heart – who held the hearings on the CIA and clipped its wings. We elected a fairly famous Democratic governor – Cecil Andrus three times who later went on to work with Jimmy Carter. Most of our newspapers are dominated with liberal thinking.

The point is that even if we had a split in the two factions, even here in Idaho it would be very difficult for the conservative wing to claim authority to govern.

The same goes for a liberal state like Massachusetts. There are lots of conservatives there who would rebel against pure liberal government.

The only way such a split could work would be if there was a great migration of the two groups of people to the new territories that harmonized with their beliefs.

One way the gathering I have written of could happen in the United States is, if by a stroke of luck, we were able to revitalize the government after an enlightened pattern that could allow the freedoms necessary for the Gathering of Lights to work.

The other way is if we had a great destruction of some kind that would leave large areas of the country with no government creating an opportunity for the new. This would be a dangerous situation as there is more probability for the creation of tyranny than for good government.

The highest probability is that the Lights will have to gather on the “new land” I have hinted at and will write more about later.

It is interesting that the Mormon scripture predicts a separation among the people just before the coming of Christ. (See D&C 63:54)

Do not try to change people; they are only messengers telling you who you are… Jesus sanctified himself instead of others. Neville

Feb 16, 2004

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Comments on Suicide

Comments on Suicide

The Question: If one finds himself in an awkward situation in life should he then commit suicide? Is suicide ever justified?

A reader gave a great response: “I think that to take one’s life because of ‘an awkward situation’, hopelessness, despair, grief etc is wrong (because it is contrary to the will of the soul) and people contemplating it should be stopped, even forcibly…

But there are circumstances when I think suicide could be the right option. These are mainly in cases where death is inevitable and it serves no purpose to prolong life. Terminal illness is the obvious scenario where suicide *could* be the right thing to do. When doctors told me I had months to live, I fought because I knew it wasn’t my soul’s will for me to die at that time. But if I became ill again and sensed my soul was wanting to pull the plug, I would seriously consider suicide rather than endure seemingly endless suffering.”

JJ: The key here is the phrase “the will of the soul.” Each of us comes into this life with several purposes to fulfill, not the least of which is personal growth and realization to aid us on our journey through a series of many lives.

It is only after this higher will is fulfilled or temporarily frustrated that cause the soul to give approval for us to leave the scene. There are several things that may cause this.

(1) If the entity commits murder of innocent blood then through the effect of Karma he forfeits his soul purpose. Even here it is not good for him to commit suicide, but he could do much to pay for his crime by giving his life to save or in service to others if the occasion should arise.

(2) If the person is in a no win situation. I would certainly not hold it against anyone who took his own life to escape torture nor charge one with murder who killed another to save him from torture by an enemy.

That said, there are few exceptions where suicide may be justified and if it is not justified by your soul then the person will have the misfortune to return in another life and face the situation all over again.

The suicide where the person is merely depressed, lost a lover, in a bad financial situation, doesn’t like his job etc. has little justification and he will return to face the problem again if he tries to escape by suicide. Keep in mind that when the situation is faced again it will usually be more difficult, not less, so we might as well face our problems in the present rather than delay and later face greater problems.

(3) If the entity has finished his life’s purpose.

Jesus gave the example on this. After he declared that his mission was “finished” he yielded his spirit up to God rather than endure further unnecessary suffering.

I’m sure that someone who has endured a lot of suffering and has been at the brink of death would be upset if in a future time some do-gooders kept her on life support for years while she suffered in agony.

I know if this happened to me I think (after I died) I would wait for these perpetrators to pass over and give them a piece of my mind they would never forget. I would ask them to not do me any more favors.

Question: So what do you think? Should we keep a person alive on life support at all costs? How about the lady in Florida who is in an immobile state? Her husband has been fighting to get the feeding tube removed. Is this any way to let someone die?

“To feel a thing intensely, and then rest confidently that it is, makes the thing felt appear within your world. “I shall stand upon my watch and see the salvation of the Lord.” I shall stand firmly upon my feeling, convinced that it is so, and see my desire appear.” Neville

Feb 15, 2004

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Just Effects

Just Effects

Reader Comment: The way you live your life in this time is based on your actions. The law of karma does not judge or punish it is the law of cause and effect.

JJ: If the cause is good then the effect will generally be seen as a reward, but if the cause is negative then the effect will generally be interpreted as a punishment. For instance, if you initiate a cause by hitting someone and the effect is that he hits you back both of you may interpret this to be a punishment.

Whether the effect is seen as punishment or reward depends on how we define our terms.

If someone murders (cause) then he will generally pay though being murdered (effect). 99% would probably interpret this as a punishment of some type.

Comment: Each incarnation you decide what part of yourself you want to work on in order to choose the setting of your life.

JJ: This is true of disciples. However many average people have karma that they are reluctant to work on and are guided into the correct situation through their souls. The thief rarely wants to volunteer to be stolen from, so his higher self makes the arrangements so he can learn his lesson. Sometimes this plays out within the lifetime of the crime contrary to the will of the criminal.

Comment: Now if a murderer chose this part of him/her to work on are we not taking his/her opportunity away to do so by putting him/her to death?

JJ: How can he work on it in a prison cell? The effects in prison do nor harmonize with the crime of murder unless he is killed by fellow prisoners. Sitting in a cell, meditating, sleeping reading and watching TV does not pay the debt for the crime of murder. A life in prison usually delays his progress because he has to wait longer for his next life where he can be placed in the appropriate situation by his soul to learn his lesson.

Comment: I don’t understand how we have the right to kill the killer?

JJ: If the state acts as an agent of karma and carries out an effect equal to the cause there is no additional karma created. The two forces are neutralized.

Again, let me repeat. If we have the right to put someone in prison then we would have the right to free the person from prison through the death penalty. Why would we have the right to do one and not the other? Who’s this mysterious person or force that tells us what we cannot do?

Common sense and logic in examining cause and effect is the final judge.

Question: Would it not be better to put somebody in jail and have him/her generate positive karmic credits so that a person can atone for his/her crimes by good works. Just like the person I know is adding good to mankind by saving a lot of life’s!

JJ: The vast majority add to their negative karma serving long prison terms whereas most improve their situation with karma through death and rebirth. Which makes the most sense?

Even if a person does good works in prison he will do little to pay for the crime of murder. He may pay off other debts from karma if is he is in that fortunate minority. In rare cases, if he saves a life by risking his own he can pay some of the debt for murder.

This is an emotional issue and many just feel that the state does not have the right to give the death penalty – just because… But feeling does not make it so. To find the truth we must rise to the plane of the mind and using the powers of logic, reeason and understanding examine cause and effect for how it plays out in real life.

Another hurdle that makes it difficult to surmount emotional feeling in looking at this is that many see death as the absolute worst thing that can happen to a human being. This illusion causes many to go to extremes to surmount the death penalty. In addition, this illusion also causes many to seek to preserve life even though the person is in great pain with no hope of recovery.

If we realize that there are many things that are worse than death then it ceases to be the boogieman that scares us into clinging to life at all costs.

Even Jesus, when he decided he did not want to suffer anymore, decreed: “Father receive my Spirit” and voluntarily “gave up the ghost.”

DK tells us that we will all eventually learn how to do this – that when any further physical existence is no longer useful we will just will ourselves to pass on to greener pastures.

Here’s a couple quotes from DK

“They make a horror out of death, whereas death is a beneficent friend.” Esoteric Healing, Page 42

“Through death, a great at-one-ing process is carried forward. In the “fall of a leaf” and its consequent identification with the soil on which it falls, we have a tiny illustration of this great and eternal process of at-one-ing, through becoming and dying as a result of becoming.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 2, Page 173

Those who are against the death penalty make the argument that life is sacred and should be respected no matter what.

The question to ask, however, is what is life?

Much of the world sees life as only an existence within the physical body and apart from the body is only death. This is misleading. Death is not no existence, but merely a separation. In fact, the best definition of death “to be separated from” a body.

Thus at physical death we are merely separated from the physical body and our focus of attention is upon another body – what is called the causal body in esoteric writings..

“Nothing can take or touch the life” as DK says.

What this means is that what is called the death penalty is not really the death penalty. If we were to speak from a technically correct view the death penalty would be called the switching vehicle penalty. The real penalty here is that the person is temporally deprived of one vehicle out of seven and for a time is no longer able to interact in the physical world.

This lack of a physical vehicle is definitely a hindrance, especially if it was to aid you in the performance of a designated service, but is this the worst thing that can happen to a human being?

No there are a number of things that are worse.

To be deprived of liberty is worse than death as was realized by many reformers of the past such as Patrick Henry who stated: “Give me liberty or give me death.”

Secondly, to be in a situation where the entity is descending away from the soul with no turnaround in sight is much worse than death.

Many of those in prison are in this second state and definitely the first. There are a few who increase in spirituality, but there are far too many who receive a negative influence from the people who surround them. The average person will be strongly influenced by those around him and if all he has for company are criminals who see themselves as victims that need to get even then this produces a downward spiraling force that is difficult to resist.

Question for consideration: Does this mean that if one finds himself in an awkward situation in life that he should commit suicide then? Is suicide ever justified?

“To be conscious of being or possessing anything is to be or have that which you are conscious of being or possessing. Therefore, lift yourself to the consciousness of your desire and you will see it automatically outpicture itself.” Neville

Feb 12, 2004

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The Right to Judge

The Right to Judge

Question: If it creates bad karma to murder wouldn’t it also produce a similar bad karma to sentence a killer to death?

JJ: If it were negative karma for the state to judge that someone should get the death penalty when he has committed first degree murder then it would also be negative karma to give the man something worse than death – life in prison. Using this same reasoning it would produce negative karma to give out punishment of any kind – even a fine or a short prison term for the thief or wife-beater.

If it were to produce negative karma to administer justice through judges then this would mean that all the judges of all the nations are in a precarious situation indeed and all judges should be dismissed and no punishments administered.

Actually the truth is the other way around. If the judge is just he creates positive karma because he helps society and aids in protecting the innocent. But if the judge judges badly either too harsh or too soft then he may incur bad karma. For instance, the guy in Florida named Joseph P. Smith had many arrests and just received a slap on the wrist before he killed the little girl in the news. Several judges may incur some karma here because they did not do their job in protecting the innocent.

A judge who administers fair justice does not incur negative karma, but the opposite because of the good outcome.

Question: Aren’t we guilty of murder if we agree to the death penalty?

JJ: Where do you get this idea? If we follow this reasoning then we must also be guilty of having slaves if we support sending someone into the slavery of prison or even fine him and make him work like a slave to repay his debt.

Logic alone tells us this is not the case.

Any time true justice is administered there is no negative karma and nothing to feel guilty about.

In the commandments of the Bible where we are told “thou shalt not kill…” The word kill comes from the Hebrew RATSACH which is more literally translated as “murder.” The word kill in relation to war or administering justice uses other words that mean kill, which is different from a criminal murder.

Melody: What would you say, if somebody drives under the influence of alcohol and kills one or more people in a car crash, should we agree on the death penalty?

JJ: The person is responsible for the death, but did not commit the crime intentionally. A death by accident is much different than first degree murder. Therefore, the death penalty would be overkill. Society does need to be protected from him and he should be forced to pay recompense to the victim. If he doesn’t learn his lesson he will suffer the loss of a loved one in some future time through criminal neglect. Then he will understand his crime.

Question: Do we have the right to judge others?

JJ: Definitely in situations regarding civil law. This is why every nation, city and state has judges. This idea of judging criminals has universal support. If society is not protected from criminal civilization would fall apart. This will continue until a much greater portion of humanity become enlightened.

Question: What about someone who is sentenced to more than 20 years who is not a murderer? Who perhaps is in prison for fraud or kidnapping where no life has been taken.

I am assuming that the 20 years = a life principle would stand and you would advocate capital punishment for anyone sentenced to more than 20 years? Or would it be judged on a case by case basis?

JJ: I think it should be judged case by case. There are some crimes that may be as bad a murder such as rape, child molestation and abuse. I wouldn’t feel it injustice to administer the death penalty to some of the worst of these, but whatever the case, society needs protection from them one way or another until they become harmless.

One of the problems with long prison sentences are the conditions within them. Sure these guys have made mistakes, but there is much more we can do to aid them on the course of true rehabilitation. Such a course would in the end be best for all of society, the criminals and the victims as well.

But this is another topic and we’ll have to cover it later.

Since we have been speaking of prisoners I thought I would include a touching letter I just received from one here in Boise. This prisoner has read most of the archives and just finished Book III.

I have donated quite a few books to prisoners as anything which will redirect their attention is a good investment indeed.

He writes:

The Immortal series is going to be to illusion what the atomic bomb is to World War II! What a mind blowing experience I had reading Book III. The book was pure electricity – wow! I am beginning to visualize the significance of the Keys. After reading Book III I can see that each Key is a single part to a greater mechanism. A mechanism that if an individual accepts each key and applies a working practice to it, will become something incredible. Each Key needs to be understood and grafted into the belief system and strengthened with exercise. When all 12 Keys have been assembled into the belief system it is my guess that that individual will have the instrument in place that will enable him to manifest the fullness of the light, love and power of God to the sons and daughters of mankind.

The people who accomplish this will be the ones who do greater miracles than the Christ. They are the ones who will create successful molecules. They are the ones who will walk in communion with the Brotherhood of Light! I cannot imagine anyone reading the Immortal series and not making this their number one priority.

How bitter sweet it has become for me to read your teachings. Tears come to my eyes when I ponder the vast amount of truth I have received from you, and the possibility of my positive development as a result. But my heart weeps that I have rendered myself useless to you. I truly wish I could be helping you right now… I often feel like my team is going to the superbowl and I have removed myself from play. I am so sorry for my part in the mess I am in, and sorry I’ve become a deficit for my team.

I will continue to implement the Keys into my belief system. I will continue to battle to get out of here. I feel I have a couple touchdowns in me and I’m hoping that circumstances will bend to my will so that I can contribute.

I am no longer a victim – I accept full responsibility for my situation in life. I’ve dug myself into a deep pit and I’m going to have to climb out myself – I feel strongly that I can get it done.

This reminds me of something else. Some time last summer I went to the New Jerusalem in meditation and asked the question: “What past life deed was responsible for this life’s prison experience?”

The scene I was shown was an army. I was one of the leaders. We were all on horses. I had a large red cape. We rode our horses full speed into battle. At this point I remember being surprised that I felt absolutely no fear but an anticipating excitement, sort of like pre-sex excitement. I did not see the battle but I saw myself in the midst of a ruined city rummaging through rubble looking for a box. I looked in every direction – the city was reduced to rubble and every man, woman and child had been killed. Then I had the horrible feeling that in some way I was responsible.

So, if I saw this correctly this means that much like yourself I’ve got some serious debt to pay. I must have selected to make a partial payment when I designed this prison experience for this life. I’m not interested in trying to get out of paying my debt. What I’ve decided to do is take your lead .. I’ve decided that I will change (adjust) my life plan. I’ve decided to switch my form of payment from sitting in prison to service to the Brotherhood.

I think that whenever this decision can be made with sincerity and right intention that it becomes a blessing for all involved. So I’m deciding to make it so. I feel good about it.

JJ: Comment: One can surely sympathize with him here. He has discovered truths which has changed his life and which he wishes to share with the world, but is confined to prison where he is very limited in what he can do.

He is one of the few who is indeed making the best of an awkward situation so when he is released there is a strong possibility that he will take the lessons learned and be of great service to the world.

His crime didn’t cause any permanent harm to anyone and was influenced somewhat from a bi-polar disorder that was not taken into consideration at the trial. He wound up with a much longer sentence than one with his temperament deserves. The possible answer to this was in the vision he saw.

“Greatness does not have to be explained.” John Stolworth

Feb 10, 2004

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My Political Leanings

My Political Leanings

A while back I was asked about my political leanings. Am I conservative, liberal, in between or what? I have briefly commented on this in the past, but it has been a while back.

I’m sure that because I have been writing in favor of the death penalty that some new members may look upon me as a right wing extremist, but then in the past I have written on items that made some think I am a liberal.

Actually there is no political party that I am completely at home with, but the closest overall is the Libertarian. The reason is that all my political beliefs are centered around the principle of freedom. That which allows for the greatest exercise of freedom for the greatest number is that which I support. In most areas the Libertarian party goes along with this, but then in others it does not.

For instance The Libertarian Party is usually anti war, even if a successful war will bring liberty to millions. Many Libertarians believe that every war, save the Revolutionary War, The United States has fought was wrong. This includes The Civil War which freed the slaves, World War II that overthrew Nazism and the Korean War. I, on the other hand, would go to great lengths to overthrow a tyranny that suppresses the liberty of the human spirit. Doing what is necessary to establish and preserve freedom is number one in my book.

Members of the Libertarian Party are somewhat split on the death penalty. I support it for heinous crimes as it not only gives greater long range freedom for the criminal, but it frees the living victims from the fear of ever meeting up with him again. It also frees society the concern over his future crimes if released or if he escapes.

I am against abortion overall, but support a woman’s right to choose. I use the Drano principle here in explaining my view. I am against the drinking of Drano, but not support the creation of a law making it illegal. If people understand the harm then they just will not do it. I am against late term abortions (except where the life of the mother is at stake) for two reasons:

(1) The woman has already had plenty of time to make a decision. (2) The soul is strongly enough linked to the fetus to blur the differentiation between it and a regular term baby.

Instead of making more laws of questionable value there should be complete freedom to teach young people the pros and cons of the matter. As it is right now both sides want to shut the other side up and stifle their freedom of expression.

I take the same stance with drugs. I agree that most illegal drugs are harmful and should be avoided, but prevention should be stressed through education and not law enforcement. If we took half the money it cost to fight the war on drugs and the incarceration of those who are in jail because of drugs and spent it on rehabilitation and drug education for the youth we would have must fewer problems than we do today plus a much freer society.

I support limited government – a bare bones government as a matter of fact. Government should only do for the people what the people cannot do for themselves. Insuring national security and the protection of individual freedoms should be the main job of government. I believe that private enterprise can take care of almost all of our social needs.

Low Taxes. With limited government our tax bill should not go over 10% except in times of national emergency.

I see the direction of the civilized nations going toward higher taxes and greater socialism as a disease that will cause great problems within the next generation. These problems must be resolved for the world to continue its progress. The time will come that the some oppressed nations in the past will have more freedom than the United States and Western Europe and set an example for us.

The public figure most in harmony with my philosophy would probably be John Stossel of 20/20.

Overall, my political philosophy is simple. I weigh the pros and cons of the matter and put the freedom benefits to the whole and individual on one side and those ingredients which diminish freedom on the other. If the scales balance toward freedom then I support it, but if they lean toward enslavement I am against it. Many issues have ingredients on both sides of the scale so one has to be non dogmatic, look at the whole and make a judgment if he follows my philosophy.

There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest of men.

Lord Acton

Points on Life and Death

The death penalty is an awkward subject to teach a synthetic group for several reasons.

For one thing much of the world is gravitating away from this type of punishment. While it is true that some of the directions which the nations are going is correct there are other directions that are not. We cannot say that because Europe or the United States is doing something that it is good and we must follow.

Time and time again humanity seeks to divorce itself of the Second Key of judgment and seek to establish its values through some black and white benchmark. It will ever be disaster to use any black and white measure in substitute of judgment.

Most of those who oppose capital punishment are sincere about being merciful and it often seems that those who are for it are seeking the lower path of revenge and release of negative feelings.

What we must do is step back and look at the raw principle involved. If one supports capital punishment it should not be because of feelings of vengeance and if one is against it he or she should examine the whole picture to see where true mercy will be.

Here are some reasons many are against capital punishment with my answers:

(1) The State does not have the right to put someone to death.

Answer: Why do you believe this? There is certainly no divine decree that says this. What gives the State the right to put someone in prison for a year or a lifetime? That right, whatever it is, is the same as the power and right to execute. If the state has the right to take away freedom for a lifetime then it certainly has the right to remove the entity away from his physical body and into a free spirit world.

(2) It is wrong to take revenge by applying the death penalty?

Answer: Many victims desire life in prison for the murderer because they feel execution goes too easy on him. In other words, they desire life in prison because the vengeance will be greater and the suffering more lengthy and intense.

Does this mean that because many desire prison terms for the purpose of vengeance that we should eliminate all imprisonment?

Of Course not.

Neither should the feelings of vengeance be a reason to negate other forms of punishment including the death penalty.

I think it is incorrect to be too judgmental toward those who do experience negative feelings when they are damaged by another. Only the few who have entered the path of return are able to place those feelings in their rightful place. All the rest of humanity has to deal with these feelings and true justice, when it is administered by the state, can assist in healing these emotional wounds.

On the other hand, the disciple is not for or against he death penalty because of vengeance. He does not look at the criminal and desire suffering and revenge. He seeks not only what is best, not for the victim, but also realizes that even those guilty of great crimes will eventually manifest the Son of God and he will want what is best for his progression also.

He will therefore be for or against the death penalty according to what he sees as that which will prove the greatest long term benefit for the criminal’s progression.

(3) The death penalty is wrong because sometimes innocent people sometimes get put to death and you can’t bring them back to life.

Answer: Then this would make prison wrong because every year spent in prison by an innocent man cannot be restored to him. Using this argument we should let all the criminals go free because a few of them are innocent.

“But you can let someone out of prison if we find out he is innocent, but we cannot bring the dead back to life?”

Answer: The dead are brought back to life every day. It occurs in a process we call “birth.” If an innocent person goes to jail for life or is executed then there will be just recompense in a future life.

Life is not fair within the context of one life, but life is always fair when the whole period of the path of the soul is examined.

(4) It is merciful to spare the murderer the death penalty

Answer: Is it? How many years in prison is equal to the inconvenience of the death penalty? Most people who believe in reincarnation when they think about it will put it at about twenty years – that it is more cruel to put a man in prison for life than to apply a swift death penalty.

(5) The criminal can go through a period of reflection in prison that he can’t if he is dead.

Answer: Do you think we no longer have consciousness and being after death? One of the purposes of death and existence between lives is to reflect and prepare for a better life.

(6) Some criminals meditate, learn and improve in prison.

Answer: A few do, but most deteriorate with long prison sentences. I do not see anyone lining up to go to prison because it will help with self improvement. He who has the consciousness to make good use of time in prison will do even better when he reincarnates into a life where he is out of prison.

(7) Some say that when a murderer is put to death that his negative feelings over being put to death create some type of astral poison in the next world.

Answer: How about the negative feelings of an even more hardened criminal after a life in prison who is in a worse vibrational state than he would have been by an earlier execution?

Anyone who sinks low enough to commit first degree murder isn’t going to be desirable company wherever he goes and it will take more than one lifetime to purify himself.

Man’s faith is measured by his confidence in himself. Neville

Feb 8, 2004

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Corresponding Effects

Corresponding Effects

Reader Comment: I am sure that the time in prison would pay back karma quicker than dying, we all have to die, and it gives time to the person to take stock of his life.

JJ: The trouble with using time in prison as punishment for murder is that the punishment does not correspond to the crime. Life in prison may be justice for to the deviate who keeps his kid locked in his room for many years, but it is not a close compliment to the crime of murder.

It does provide some elementary reflection, often interrupted by rape, beatings etc. As far as reflection goes nothing beats the time in between lives. There the reflection is much more efficient and accurate than life in prison.

Prison time does not effectively pay off the crime of murder because it does not teach the murder what the victim felt like. In fact, the prisoner often becomes even more hardened to the victims feelings and will have an even greater distance to attain the required empathy that must be acquired by all as we proceed along the path.

This is why the murderer must experience for himself the feelings of his victim so he will have the empathy to not commit the crime again. Placing a man in prison for a lifetime merely delays this experience and this delays his progression. If he is speedily put to death by the state then his soul will judge as to whether he has learned the required empathy so he will not murder again. If not, his soul will then arrange some unique situation in a future life where he will either learn or take the left hand path.

Question: Who and when does one forgive a murderer?

JJ: Only the victim can forgive. As far as the state goes it only administers justice, not forgiveness. The state does not hold as grievance.

Many, however, say we should not have the death penalty because the state should forgive, but my point was the state is not in the business of forgiveness. Forgiveness is an individual thing.

BUT if the state were supposed to forgive then it would have to forgive all, even the prison sentence.

Comment: As in the example you cited in Acts God has the power to take life, not humans.

JJ: The power of God was used, but Peter made the judgment and executed it. It is as the scripture says:

“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” Gen 9:6

It doesn’t say that God will take the murderer’s life, but that “man” will.

If man has the right to take a life by condemning a man to prison for the length of his days then why would he not have the right take his life by execution? What is the difference? None except an entire life in prison is much more cruel.

Comment: He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. This includes the society that punishes by the sword.

JJ: It is true that a society or nation is subject to the laws of karma just as is the individual, but to see how this is played out we must look at the principle itself.

A cause creates a similar effect, not a different effect.

Hitler was an example of one who lived by the sword of injustice for he sought to exterminate the Jews and as it turned out the Jews are still alive and flourishing, but the Nazis wound up being the ones who were almost obliterated.

DK tells us that taking a life is not counted as murder if it is done in defense of the innocent.

If the state then executes a murderer as justice to the innocent victim as well as to protect other innocents from murder what will be the effect related to this cause?

One who supports this process but is otherwise innocent will not come back and be killed with the sword. The effect mist be related to cause. The effect instead would be twofold :

(1) If such a supporter commits murder then he would be put to death by the state. If be does not commit murder then he will not be affected.

(2) He who supports such a punishment will gravitate to a society in future lives where this this justice is in play. There he wouldn’t be put to death unless he commits murder.

On the other hand, he who is against the death penalty will gravitate to be born within a state where there is no death penalty and if he commits murder or accused of it he would suffer life in prison rather than execution.

Eventually through experience we will all learn where true fairness and justice lie. Only by seeing the effects in the world and out of the world can one have sure understanding.

Interestingly, the main thing the murderer usually learns through a life in prison is that a speedy execution would have been the preferable punishment. He will especially be aware of this after death when he can review the whole picture.

There is a time and place for everything and because of diverse circumstances there are exceptions to every rule, but when dealing with law (which is black and white) if we have justice 90% of the time we are doing pretty good. When society becomes enlightened civil laws will take second place to justice and fairness in the hearts of the people.

Council from God

A reader mentioned that he woke up in the morning with these words in his mind: “give council to the Lord.” He asked for my comment.

The scriptures tell us to take council from God. Based on this the interpretation would mean you are supposed to give God the opportunity to counsel you. In other words, listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit.

Here are a couple scriptures from the Book of Mormon:

“Wherefore, brethren, seek not to counsel the Lord, but to take counsel from his hand. For behold, ye yourselves know that he counseleth in wisdom, and in justice, and in great mercy, over all his works.” Jacob 4:10

“Counsel with the Lord in all thy doings, and he will direct thee for good; yea, when thou liest down at night lie down unto the Lord, that he may watch over you in your sleep; and when thou risest in the morning let thy heart be full of thanks unto God; and if ye do these things, ye shall be lifted up at the last day.” Alma 37:37

From DK

“Let him work first of all for alignment with his soul and then meditate, for from his own soul, his true counsel must come…. “ Discipleship in the New Age, Vol 1, Page 142

“His word is power. His light, electric. The lightning is his symbol. His will is hidden in the counsel of his thought.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 1, Page 63

“Man must go back in memory, seek for and destroy the causes of evil, however far back they lie. This going into the past and replaying a scene of the past in imagination as it ought to have been played the first time, I call revision.” Neville

Feb 7, 2004

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The Scriptures and Karma

The Scriptures and Karma

What do you think? Is it not more cruel and vengeful to put a man in prison for life than to put him to death?

Reader Comment: If you look at it from the spiritual point of view, it is less cruel and vengeful to allow the person to live and learn, If you look at it from the material view, just execute him and be done with it.

JJ: What spiritual view is that? The spiritual view is that which is best for the progress of the individual.

Chances are a life in prison will take him away from his soul and harden him in the direction of a life of crime. There are anecdotal exceptions as noted, but we have to look at the good of the whole when making or supporting various laws.

If giving him the death penalty leads to a faster reincarnation where he is free from a life of negative influence, free from prison, but in a situation of his soul’s choosing where he can progress faster is that not a more spiritual solution?

Comment: I don’t know which is worse, being stuck in prison for life, or being stuck on an endless treadmill, going nowhere. Kind of like this discussion.

JJ: I think most are enjoying the stimulation of this discussion and it is going somewhere. Watch and see. We can’t keep every single person interested in every topic, but we can keep the majority enjoying the conversation most of the time. I believe we are doing this.

Perhaps it may be helpful to see what the scriptures say about the death penalty. It is interesting that most of the scriptures of the world support it without hesitation and the Bible is no exception.

Most us are aware that it was implemented in the time of Moses. Because they were in such a mobile condition prisons were very impractical so the criminal was usually punished with either a fine or death. Quite a simple justice system. Some think that outside of the decrees of Moses for that special situation that the Bible does not support the death penalty.

Not so.

Let us go back before Moses to the God’s own voice to Noah.

“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” Gen 9:6

Here the scriptures seem to be citing a principle of how karma is to be played out upon those who shed innocent blood. If this is a principle it means that the murderer will eventually get the death penalty even if he should suffer life imprisonment. Obviously he would have to come back and have his life taken.

This agrees with the words of Jesus

“All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” Matt 26:52

This is a statement giving us the exactness of the measure of karma – that we shall perish with the measure that we have caused others to perish.

In speaking of punishments Jesus also said: “Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.” Matt 5:26

Karma, as it plays out in this world, indeed demands the “uttermost farthing” to be paid before the debt is released.

Some who are against the death penalty will quote the following story as evidence that murderers should not be put to death:

“And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.

“But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

“And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

“And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

“When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” John 8:3-11

There are several reasons that this scripture has nothing to do with the death penalty as it is applied today. The first was that he woman was not a murderer, but accused of adultery. In today’s world the civilized countries apply no criminal punishment to those who commit this act. Karma also does not demand such a draconian measure as death for adultery. Instead, such a person would in some future time suffer a betrayal so he or she would learn the pain of the victim of adultery.

Jesus was ahead of his time in attempting to discourage an overkill in punishment. He was in an awkward situation though because if he showed himself to be in defiance of the Law of Moses he could have been toast before the crucifixion. In addition to allay fears among the Jews he told them:

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” Matt 5:17

Therefore, if he had told the group he was against punishing the lady for adultery he would have been accused of being a false teacher. He got out of an awkward situation by displaying a wisdom greater than Solomon by saying:

“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

He directed the severity of the punishment back at them and they each realized that the punishment of death did not fit the crime.

On the other hand, because Jesus did not condemn the woman some feel that this his way of saying we should forgive the murderer and not put him to death.

But, as I said earlier, forgiveness and justice are two different things. Would it be justice to not charge any debt to the murderer and just let him go? Even those who are adamantly against the death penalty usually want murderers placed in prison, often for life which is worse than death – so where is the forgiveness there? Those who apply this story in an effort to forgive the death penalty must also forgive all other penalties including prison. Forgiveness of debt is forgiveness is it not? If we did this we would have the Jeffery Dahmers and William Gacies running around killing more innocent people and even eating them. This makes no sense. The innocent deserve the protection of the state.

The scripture indeed says that there is no way around the death penalty for the murderer:

“He that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” Rev 13:10

Why must the saints who suffered persecution and death have patience? Because in past lives they were the ones who persecuted and killed the innocent. It was no accident that many paid with their lives by being thrown to the lions, beheaded, crucified etc. This was their death sentence being carried out because of crimes in past lives.

Now consider this. If they could have paid for their crime in the life in which it was committed then they could have avoided the death penalty as an early Christian and perhaps have spent an entire life in real service during that important time period.

As far as the death penalty itself Jesus said nothing specific about it except that he did not intend to “destroy the law” of the Jews which included the death penalty. The interesting thing though is we have an example of Peter, the Apostle, actually putting two people to death.

“Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Acts 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.” Acts 4:34-37

“But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

“But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

“And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

“And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for Acts so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

“Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

“Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.” Acts 5:1-11

This indeed seems pretty harsh, but if the account is accurate then it seems that the heavenly powers that be supported Peter. Peter accused these two of something worse than murder which was that they lied “to the Holy Ghost.” Concerning the sin against the Holy Ghost Jesus said:

“Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” Matt 12:31-32

Apparently the Holy Spirit testified to Ananias and his wife that they were supposed to give the whole gift and they willingly went against this.

Fortunately DK elaborates on this sin and tells us that the point which is beyond forgiveness is not achieved in one incident but through a denial of the soul and hardening of the spirit over several lifetimes.

The point is that this is a New Testament example of the application of the death penalty and the interesting thing it was carried out by the power of God itself.

“Behind every successful man, there’s a woman rolling her eyes.” Jim Carrey – From Bruce Almighty

Feb 6, 2004

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Difficult Judgments

Difficult Judgments

The Question:: How many years would you have to be in prison before death would be preferable from the standpoint of your soul? That is when would you as an entity would move ahead faster through the door of death than prison and physical life.

5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 40 years 60 years 100 years? Never?

Notice the difference in the wording from the previous question. The last question was from the viewpoint of your soul. This was from your own viewpoint.

Have you noticed that over half of those who responded did not answer the question, but related their views on imprisonment, punishment, the State etc.

This question has nothing to do with whether imprisonment is right or wrong, whether a person deserves to be in prison, prison reform, making good use of time in prison, what the crime was, whether or not life is a prison etc.

What does it have to do with? It has to do with how it would effect you if for some reason, right or wrong, just or unjust, you were thrown in prison. How many years would you have to be sentenced before you would choose death instead? There has to be a number for every person has his limitations. Even if it is a million years, there is a number which would weigh so heavy upon you that you would choose instead to be separated from the body and placed in the hands of your soul.

There is a reason I am steering the group this direction – toward a specific answer.

Now let’s put another twist on this question.

Suppose you were a judge and five criminals were brought before you. All these criminals are twenty years of age and have committed murder and are expected to live to be 100 years of age. The evidence is beyond dispute that they are guilty. Here is the recommendation of the jury.

Criminal number one. 10 years in prison or the death sentence.

Criminal number two. 20 years in prison or the death sentence.

Criminal number three. 40 years in prison or the death sentence.

Criminal number four. 60 years in prison or the death sentence.

Criminal number five. 80 years in prison or the death sentence.

What would be your judgment? How long would the wretched soul have to spend in prison before you would deem the death penalty more merciful than prison?

Why do you suppose that so many are unwilling to answer these specific questions?

Even though I love and respect you all my job here is not to please, but to teach so here goes a tough presentation.

Remember the parable of decision? What made Ron and Dave different from Jim and Mike?

Ron and Dave surveyed the situation and made a judgment as to the best course of action even though they were lacking significant information. After they made a judgment they then followed through with a firm decision.

The other two were hesitant to judge and decide. They wanted to play it safe and avoid hurt. The interesting thing is that these two were the ones who wound up powerless and in the real hell.

When I have taught of the first two keys we find that most believe they are great principles. But now I have presented situations that require their use many present every possible avenue to avoid using them.

Why?

Because they are afraid their decision and judgment will create some unforeseen harm.

They do not want to think about an uncomfortable situation.

They are afraid they could be wrong.

Jim and Mike in the parable also feared doing harm and they were paralyzed and missed the opportunity to build heaven.

Dave made a decision and stuck by it and it took him to hell but he made the best of it and turned hell into heaven.

Yes, sometimes our judgments and decisions, even when doing the best we can, will take us to hell, but if we continue with pureness of heart then we create an opportunity to build heaven, which opportunity escapes he who shuns the first two keys.

Do those of you who cringed at using the first two keys at the last three questions I asked wish to reconsider?

If not then place yourself on the beginning of the two paths in the parable and honestly ask yourself: What would I do?

Tough Questions

Glad to see we have the wheels spinning on the current issue. Whenever talk begins around the death penalty emotional feelings, dogmas, mindsets and programming comes to the surface on both sides.

What we are attempting to do here is examine this subject from the plane of the mind starting with the fundamental principles which may lie behind it. Only be releasing ourselves of our preconceived notions and looking at the esoteric facts and influences can we get at the truth.

Of all the questions I have asked the group in the past five years, these past few concerning judgment have been sidestepped by the group more than any other I have asked by far. This just shows how emotionally charged this issue is. Then too I take some risk in entering an emotionally charged area because I am likely to offend some who do not see the conclusions that will be reached. I do hope we can rise above any offense and continue to learn together.

First Question: Are there punishments worse than death that are given by the State? What are they and why are they worse than death?

We received a wide variety of answers on this including descriptions of punishments that have nothing to do with the State.

In more civilized countries the main severe punishment (other than death) are long prison terms. In totalitarian ones they may cut off your limbs, your tongue, gouge out your eyes, use castration, electric shock etc.

These are bad indeed, but to answer the question we must ask – how bad is death? It is amazing that many who believe in heavenly bliss seem to view death as some horror much worse than all of these combined. Some will go to such extreme such as keeping the person on life support in great agony for many years just to avoid sending a loved one to the hands of God.

Is death really so horrible that it must be avoided at all costs?

Of course not. At death we are placed in the arms of the soul which has our best interests in mind. In between lives we contemplate the lessons learned in the last life and prepare for a better one. Is this so bad that we must shun it to the point that we force imprisonment and great pain on others to avoid it? Is this logical?

But, says one, we do not have the right to decide life and death?

If one supports life in prison for the hardened criminal has he not already supported the judgment of taking a life? One who is sentenced to life in prison with no hope of parole is given something worse than a death sentence. His life is not only taken way, but his freedom and hope is also taken away.

Why do we think we have the right to sentence one to prison for life but do not have the right to give the death sentence when both take way the life of the person? What is the difference between the two in finality?

If we do not have the right to give the death sentence then we do not have the right to put any in prison for any extended period either.

Question Two: How many years would you have to be in prison before death would be preferable from the standpoint of your soul? That is when would you as an entity would move ahead faster through the door of death than prison and physical life.

5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 40 years 60 years 100 years? Never?

The general consensus on this was around twenty years. This is also the figure I came up with. Some avoided coming up with any figure but when you think about it there has to be one. In the eternal scheme of things the life of a physical body (a vehicle) has a set value just as any other vehicle (such as a car) has a set value. Just as most of us would be willing to go to prison for a year for a sum of money, even so would there be a term in prison that would equal the value of your vehicle – the physical body. I would personally put this at about 20 years.

Think of what can happen in twenty years. You can go to the spirit world and dwell there for five years and be reborn and arrive at around 15 years of age in a strong new body in a new and better situation for progress which has been arranged by your soul – or by yourself if you are a disciple.

This question has nothing to do with whether you deserved the sentence, whether you are innocent or guilty or the degree. It matters not if you are a saint, for in 20 years you can be reborn in a better situation and if you are a murderer you can also do this. The only difference is the murderer will be born in a situation where he can more quickly pay off his karma and so he can understand the magnitude of his crime. If the murder does not pay with his life in the lifetime of the crime then he will in the next. He will get the death penalty one way or another with rare exceptions.

Keep in mind that when we speak of murder that we are talking about the shedding of innocent blood here and not an act of self defense which is another matter.

The exception would require the murderer to realize the extent of his crime and then save a life (or possibly more than one life) to repay his debt. The trouble with most murderers is that they have a ways to go before they will take the necessary risk to serve others in this way so they have to pay off their debt the hard way.

Question Three: Suppose you were a judge and five criminals were brought before you. All these criminals are twenty years of age and have committed murder and are expected to live to be 100 years of age. The evidence is beyond dispute that they are guilty. The choice is 10, 20, 40, 60 or 80 years in prison or the death sentence.

What would be your judgment? How long would the wretched soul have to spend in prison before you would deem the death penalty more merciful than prison?

This puts the shoe on the other foot. You are not judging yourself, but someone else.

Now some mentioned that such judgment is impossible or should not be, but we must recall that every nation, people land, state and city has judges who have to make some very tough decisions.

Some mentioned that revenge or lack of forgiveness is a motive involved here but I do not think the thousands of judges who imprison criminals or even sentence them to death have any revenge or lack of forgiveness as a motive. To them it is a job and they hold nothing personal toward the criminal. The judge is concerned with justice, not forgiveness. These are two entirely different items.

To forgive there must first be a grievance. A person can release a grievance and forgive a crime but still desire to see justice done, not for revenge, but because it is the right thing to support for the continuance of civilization.

Now let us consider the question. How many years would you sentence a person to prison before you would view a death sentence as the more merciful alternative. Some think that one cannot put a number on this, but it is an esoteric truth that there is a number for anything that has value – and the life of the physical body does have a value.

Let us suppose that the person to be sentenced would live indefinitely in prison. Can you really say that you would let the poor soul rot in prison for 100, 200 or more years before you would rule a death sentence? Would it not be extremely cruel to do so?

If the average value of life in the physical body is worth about twenty years in prison then is it not more cruel to place anyone in prison for 40 years or more instead of giving the death penalty?

What gives the state the right to take away a life in a fate worse than death by sentencing to life in prison with no hope of parole when a more loving alternative of the death penalty is available?

Many are against the death penalty because of a fear that they are participating in a punishment that cannot be undone.

But they forget that even a year in prison cannot be undone. No punishment can be undone. Which is worse? To put an innocent man to death or to put an innocent man in prison for twenty years? Neither can be undone. The man in prison for twenty years often comes out a much more hardened criminal than he was before whereas the man who is put to death and reborn may be discovering a new and healthier life.

What do you think? Is it not more cruel and vengeful to put a man in prison for life than to put him to death?

“If we would become emotionally aroused over our ideals as we become over our dislikes, we would ascend to the plane of our ideal as easily as we now descend to the level of our hates.” Neville

Feb 5, 2004

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