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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 15

April 17, 2021 Joseph Dewey

Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 15
The Initiation of Decision

The sixth initiation is called the initiation of decision. As he approaches this level, the disciple becomes a Master of Wisdom and receives a revelation. During the fifth initiation he incorporates a revelation for humanity through the various disciples he works through. He who is working on the sixth initiation was one that was successful and basically incorporated the revelation in a pure enough state that he was able to move to his next step. The Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane also moved out of his sixth and began his seventh.

At the sixth initiation you have seven paths to choose from. I can’t remember them all.

(NOTE: The Seven Paths are: 1. The Path of Earth Service. 2. The Path of Magnetic Work. 3. The Path of Training for Planetary Logoi. 4. The Path to Sirius. 5. The Ray Path. 6. The Path the Logos Himself Is On. 7. The Path of Absolute Sonship.)

One is called Path of Earth Service. Another is the Path of the Logos for the planet where you become tutored by Sanat Kumara and another is the Path of Sirius where you go to Sirius for additional learning. There are seven different paths. If you’re a sixth degree initiate, the only way you would wind up coming back is if you choose the Path of Earth Service. If you choose the Path of Earth Service then you continue to stay here. Apparently The Christ must be on that path right now. The Buddha was supposed to take the Path of Sirius but he kind of disobeyed his own injunction of detachment. He always preached detachment, but DK says he was so attached to helping humanity he has decided to stay here for the present. Even though you are supposed to choose one of these paths, you have the free agency to not choose the one natural to you and he said because of this delay Buddha is on the Path of Earth Service right now. It’s not his natural path, but he will eventually choose to go back to the path Sirius.

Audience: Earth service? He’s here helping us or he’s up there helping us? What do you mean by earth service?

JJ: Yeah, it means he is helping the people of the earth. He’s not incarnated, but he’s helping the people of the earth. He assists with the Wesak Festival, for instance, he appears to a group of people once a year according to their religion. We don’t know everything that he does. He’s like one of the Nirmanakayas that I told you about that takes communications from Shamballa and helps to communicate it to the people of earth. There are a lot of things the higher lives doing things of which we are not aware. The Tibetan makes an interesting statement affirming that Buddha actually delayed his true path because he had such a strong desire to assist the people of the earth.

Audience: So both Buddha and Christ are on the Earth Service Path right now?

JJ: Yes, right now. Christ will come back among us i9n some form again in the near future. How he will come is not given out exactly or exactly when. After he completes his seventh initiation he will tread the Path of Sirius also,

Audience: The Master Jesus will come again, too, to complete his fifth initiation by appearing to the Jewish people?

JJ: He has completed his fifth initiation but he will come and work on his sixth. He may not have completed what’s in between the fifth and the sixth but DK tells us that the Master Jesus will come back and be the Messiah to the Jews. Then The Christ will come back and be the Messiah to the world. The Jews will eventually have their Messiah who will be the Master Jesus. This will not be the expected grand Second Coming. The Christ and Jesus were together in the past, yet they will work separately this time. Jesus will be working with the Jews and The Christ will be working with the world at the Second Coming.

Audience: Jesus has incarnated as the Pope. It didn’t last very long, but he has. Where did you get that? What Pope?

JJ: Pope John Paul the First who was only in office thirty-three days before he was killed. What I believe happened there is from DK who said right around the time Pope John Paul I came into office The Master Jesus would attempt to take over the Catholic Church from the Vatican. What happened, is, I believe, Jesus overshadowed John Paul First. John Paul the First was not Jesus but Jesus worked through him. John Paul the First came to the Vatican and he was going to fire everybody and completely rearrange the Vatican. He saw the corruption there and he was making big changes. There is a book written about him that gives tremendous evidence that he was poisoned. It was called “In God’s Name” by David A. Yallop. He was only in office thirty-three days!

Audience: What century was this?

JJ: 1980, Pope John Paul the First was in office for thirty-three days and then mysteriously died.

Audience: response not clear

JJ: Jesus was just working through John Paul the First. He was overshadowing him and working with him very closely. Jesus wasn’t reincarnated, just working with him very closely.

Audience: He failed then?

JJ: Sometimes the masters do fail. Not everything they do, succeeds. Interestingly, thirty-three days is symbolic of the thirty-three years of Jesus. It’s interesting is John Paul I the First became Lucius which means white light and John Paul the Second was born during an eclipse of the sun. So when John Paul the First died, the sun was eclipsed of God and John Paul the Second came in. John Paul the First followed Pope John the Sixth. I’m not a Catholic scholar. Then Pope John Paul the First. What kind of impressions did you get when this happened?

Audience: I was heart broken when he died.

JJ: So was I and I’ve never been a Catholic. He was the only Catholic Pope for whom I cared. I just had a feeling that great things were going to happen. It didn’t dawn on me for a long time later, until recently, what really happened.

Audience: How could Jesus not tell Pope John Paul the First that this was going to be poisoned, don’t drink it? Because there wasn’t time?

JJ: Well, it depends on how closely John Paul was listening at the time, I guess. You know maybe he did receive a warning. The person in the body is the one who makes a decision related to the body. There were times in my life where I received a warning about something and I thought, “this will be really awkward to obey this warning” and I found out the warning was correct. Maybe he did receive a warning and just ignored it.

Audience: A question was raised about Apollonius of Tyana

JJ: This is where DK says something that is really quite mysterious. He says Jesus had his fifth initiation as Apollonius of Tyana. You’re thinking of Jesus when he was younger, that was when he fulfilled his earlier initiations. The mysterious thing about Apollonius and many students of DK are perplexed by this, is that Apollonius was said to be born the same time that Jesus was, right around 0 AD and he lived to be 100 years old though not all scholars agree on this. He was a very mysterious person. They put him in prison and he escaped; he teleported himself from one place to another and performed miracles. He was more famous than The Christ, for the first 400 years after his birth. There were statues of him all over the Middle East. After Constantine took over the Church, he tried to eliminate all reference to Apollonius so that the Messiah wouldn’t have any competition. They burned everything they could find that was written about Apollonius.

Audience: How was Jesus not Melchizedek but Joshua and Apollonius?

JJ: That’s a question that could be answered in several different ways. DK doesn’t explain it. He could have overshadowed Apollonius. Another theory presented by Madame Blavatsky is that The Christ was actually born 100 BC. According to this idea much of the history was actually fabricated, changed, or altered to make it look like Jesus was born around 4 BC or so. I haven’t got a personal revelation on the actual truth of the matter. I’m still contemplating it. Before you get revelation on things you have to get all the details. I’ve still got a book on Apollonius that I haven’t read all the way through.

Audience: Don’t some people say that after Jesus died he was resurrected and actually moved to another location and became Apollonius of Tyana. Like a walk-in? No, at thirty-three, he materialized and became Apollonius of Tyana.

JJ: Here’s another theory that Jesus was called Apollonius in his younger years, dwelled in Jerusalem for three years, was crucified and then took his resurrected body and lived to be the age of one hundred and disappeared out of sight.

Audience: Came to America for awhile, too.

JJ: Yeah, that’s the Mormon belief.

Audience: Then to India and as Apollonius in Egypt. That’s the story and I’m stickin’ to it.

JJ: Yeah,

Audience: * Syria, DK, or something

JJ: Yeah, DK says that in the 1920’s that Jesus was in a physical body in Egypt, but he doesn’t say who he was. Yes, Jesus, the Master Jesus. He gets around a lot.

Audience: What about the Christ? The Christ completes his fifth initiation by linking Shamballa to us in this world. What did he do for his sixth? Is he working on his seventh now?

JJ: DK doesn’t give a lot of details about the sixth, other than it is an initiation of decision; where you make a decision for one of the seven paths that you pick. The Christ is, apparently for now, on the path of Earth Service.

“It is perhaps well to remember that the stage of discipleship is in many ways the most difficult part of the entire ladder of evolution.” DK, A Treatise on White Magic, Page 61

Dec 24, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 14

April 16, 2021 Joseph Dewey

Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 14
The Initiation of Revelation

The next initiation is called the initiation of revelation. It’s the initiation where the person becomes what is called a Master of Wisdom. Why do you suppose it is called an initiation of revelation?

What will happen in the fifth initiation is a disciple will have proven himself and that he is willing to do what is necessary to accomplish the work. He’s dispelled illusion and he has proven also he will do whatever is necessary to get the job done, no matter what it is, even sacrificing everything that he has. The fourth and fifth are very closely linked because the fifth follows the fourth very closely during which the disciple will receive a revelation.

This revelation will be something that will benefit the whole world in some way. Like the Buddha after he overcome his dweller on the threshold and sacrificed himself, he then received a revelation about the Middle Way, for instance. He took that revelation to the world. In the fifth initiation, the disciple receives a revelation that he has to take to the world. He fulfills this initiation when the revelation is taken to the world. When that revelation is taken to the world successfully, he then has the opportunity to become a Master of Wisdom. He can either die a normal death or he can have his life extended, if necessary, in order to complete the work that he has begun.

Djwhal Khul is an example of a master who has achieved the fifth initiation, and part of his completing his fifth initiation and moving to the sixth are the teachings he has given us in the blue books. They contain many revelations through the Spirit to give to humanity. That’s part of his completion to the fifth initiation is to give those teachings.

It was a completion of Buddha to give out his revelations. Now Buddha could have probably extended his life, but he ended it as a normal life. Of Moses it is said, nobody knew where his body was buried. At 120 years old, Moses still had the stamina of a twenty year old young man. It says in the Bible his natural force was not abated. Most Bible scholars think it means that he still had sex. So his natural force was not abated meaning he still had all his natural vitality and energy. One day Moses just disappeared and nobody knew what happened to him. A lot of people think he was translated or had his life extended or later died, they don’t know. There’s lot of legends around what happened to him.

Audience: Why do you suppose that revelation would come after sacrifice because sacrifice is a so much more difficult task?

JJ: Well, because he’s trusted with it afterwards. The Higher Self isn’t going to give you a revelation for the whole world unless you’re willing to sacrifice your lower self to give it to the whole world. There are a lot of crazy people out there with a Messiah complex that think they have a revelation for the whole world. If you listen to these guys they just babble a whole lot of things that don’t make sense. Obviously it isn’t a revelation to the world, but they think it is. They think it is really important. For every person working on the 5th degree initiation there are many false Messiahs, or false disciples out there. So that’s the reason that after a person has proven himself to do whatever is necessary, then he is given an important job to do.

Audience: It appears to me that Joseph Smith has inverted the situation. He received revelation before the fifth initiation.

JJ: You can receive revelation before the fourth initiation. A third degree initiate can receive a lot of revelation. Like Paul of Tarsus did. Peter was probably a third degree initiate as well as John back at that time. They will receive a particular work that is important from a world-wide angel after the fourth initiation.

Joseph Smith who anticipated that he should pass his fourth because it’s possible he passed his fourth in a previous lifetime. I believe he slipped up in his lifetime. One of the reasons the church is not fulfilling its spiritual destiny now is because he didn’t pass his fourth initiation. If he would have passed it he could have set it on a course that would have made the Mormon Church a lot more spiritual than it is today. Instead it is more pious than spiritual.

Audience: Did you say the Buddha had to come back to do the sixth & seventh level? It is okay to die after the fifth level?

JJ: Yes. The Buddha reached as high as the sixth initiation. We’ll talk about that next, matter of fact.

Audience: What level of initiation was Mohammed? He brought a lot of revelation.

JJ: He was at least a third but because of the quality of his revelation, I don’t believe he was a fourth. DK said the Master Jesus was a fifth degree initiate at the time, and he worked through Mohammed and helped him write the revelations. The Master Jesus gave the Koran to Mohammed, and it’s ironical when you think about it. Many in Islam think their religion is superior to Christianity yet Jesus is the one who inspired it. It’s kind of funny when you think about it.

The relationship was a little like Alice Bailey and Djwhal Khul except that the people Mohammed had to work with were kind of a primitive, tribal type thinking people, so it had to be adjusted to their thinking ability. That’s why there is a lot of fire and brimstone in the Koran.

“If you don’t do this, you are going to burn in the fire,” says the Koran. It’s in there quite often. A lot of fire and brimstone and the purpose of a lot of fire and brimstone is that it’s something the people can understand. Plus the promise of the seventy virgins type of thing and the promise of, if you’ll obey Allah, you’ll live in a paradise. They lived in a desert and the paradise that was described to them was always streams and running water, and greenery and flowers. It was a paradise to someone who was living in a desert land. This paradise was always put before their eyes if they behaved themselves.

Many people look at the Koran and think it’s kind of outrageous because it’s so full of fire and brimstone and doesn’t seem very enlightened. Yet, it was adjusted for the consciousness of those people. When you look at it from that aspect, it pulled the people ahead as far as their consciousness would allow them to be. It gave them a system of religious thought, a system of order. For the first few hundred years of Islam it was the most enlightened religion on earth. It was the center of learning and many Christians traveled to the Middle East to learn from their great libraries. It kind of fell apart after they went on some of their conquests. They started concentrating more on conquest than spirituality.

Question: How do you know that Jesus taught Mohammad? Where could this information be found?

JJ: DK taught this. Here is the quote: “the Mahommedan faith will be found to be linked to the Christian faith because it embodies the work of the Master Jesus as He overshadowed one of His senior disciples, a very advanced initiate, Mahomet.” Rays and Initiations, Page 254

“When the communication between the soul and its instrument is conscious and steady, the man becomes a white magician.” DK, Treatise on White Magic, Page 57

Dec 19, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 13

April 15, 2021 Joseph Dewey

Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 13
Mastery over the Lower Self

Jesus was an example of somebody who passed the fourth initiation. Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane where there were two entities in one body: there was Jesus, the reincarnation of Joshua, the other was The Christ who was the same as Melchizedek. At the Baptism of Jesus, the entity who was the Christ entered into the body of Jesus and there were two entities in the body of Jesus at one time. This is why Jesus kept saying, “the one that does the miracles is not me. Of myself I can do nothing. It’s the one that is in me, he’s the one that is doing the works.”

At the baptism, when the Christ came into Jesus, Jesus thought to himself, “I can finally build the kingdom of God on the earth. Here the Christ entity is in me and gives me the power to do all these wonderful works. This is going to give me the power to build the kingdom of God on earth that the prophets of God have prophesied all these years. I’m going to have the wonderful opportunity.”

Then what happens, near the end, the Christ within him says, “there is only one little problem about building the kingdom. It’s not time to build it yet. You have to be crucified.” “What? How are we going to build the kingdom if I have to go through a crucifixion?” “Well, that’s just the way it is, its part of the plan.” Jesus, who was not nearly as evolved as the Christ, had to struggle with that. In the Garden of Gethsemane we had Jesus, The Master, struggling with giving himself up to be crucified. He endured the fourth initiation and The Christ underwent the sixth initiation in The Garden as he faced the dweller on the threshold for the entire planet.

We had two entities undergoing two different initiations at the same time in the Garden of Gethsemane. We’d have a hard time identifying with the sixth initiation taken by the Christ. It is easier to understand the sacrifice of Jesus. We can understand a person that lived his whole life dreaming one thing. He dreamed his whole life of building the kingdom of God on the earth. If you spend your whole life dreaming of something and then are told you can’t do it and you have the agency to refuse, that decision is extremely hard.

It’s like Abraham, his whole life he dreamed of having a child that would be the seed that would produce offspring, as many as the stars of heaven, and would worship the One God. He had that dream. He had that his whole life. At the end of his life he had to give that up. It was an illusion that he was giving that up, but it looked like he was doing it. To Jesus, it looked like he was giving up building the kingdom of God, yet by cooperating and making the sacrifice, He established the Kingdom of God more firmly on earth than He ever could have if He built something physical, or restored some Jewish type kingdom.

Audience: He knew at the time He was going to have to give up his life. He told his disciples that. Yet He struggled with it again.

JJ: Well, The Christ knew He’d have to give up his life. But Jesus himself had a hard time accepting it totally. See, He thought with all this power He had, surely the plan would be to build the physical kingdom of God.

Audience: When he told his disciples, he agreed to give up his life…?

JJ: See, that was near the end of his life. He said, “Father if there be a way, let this cup pass from me.” From the strain he was under he bled from the pores of his skin, he was under that much strain. That’s how tough it was. Jesus did not want to give up the opportunity. He had worked his whole life for this and the opportunity was here, the powers of The Christ were with him. It looked like he could do something wonderful and he had to be crucified. To him, that didn’t seem like that would accomplish nearly as much good, as it would to go out and teach people. Teach them how to have soul contact, build the kingdom of God, establish the molecular relationship and all these great things. But to be crucified, that just didn’t feel like it would accomplish much. He may go down in history as a martyr, but that’s about it. That’s how he looked at it. It is interesting that Jesus was commanded to give his life.

Joseph Smith was commanded to save his life and this was more difficult in his circumstances than giving his life. Joseph Smith had a terrible time reconciling to saving himself. The fourth initiation is centered around a person’s values and the fourth degree initiate will have one shot at it in his lifetime because his whole life will be built around that point of tension. There’s no second chance in a lifetime; he’d have to come back again in another lifetime to be able to pass the fourth initiation. If Jesus would have failed or if Abraham would have failed, there wouldn’t have been another chance in that lifetime. They would have had to come back. For the fourth initiation, the circumstances of the whole life are geared to a certain moment in that life when the fourth initiation is taken. It takes a complex setup to create a situation where it looks like you’re sacrificing every possible thing that you can sacrifice, as if God Himself may be a liar, may be an enemy, because nothing is as it seems, as if you will lose everything that you could possibly hold dear to yourself. Giving your life alone may seem easy compared to it.

Even though we don’t know all the details, I believe Abraham Lincoln was a fourth degree initiate. I won’t go into it but there are several hints in his life about a time when he went through experiences that indicated that. But Lincoln didn’t talk about it very much, as to the circumstances around it.

The fourth degree initiate, then is able to initiate a work on a spiritual level that will influence a whole world. Like certain fourth degree initiates: Jesus, Buddha, Abraham Lincoln, Krishna, Moses. Moses could have been one even though we don’t have a record of what his sacrifice might have been. His sacrifice could have been not going into the Land of Canaan because he dreamed that throughout much of his life. We don’t have a record around his emotions of being told he couldn’t go in. He could have defied God and gone in anyway. Maybe he thought, “I deserve to go into the Land of Canaan”, but when it came time to go into the Land of Canaan, he was told, “No, you can’t go.” That could have been it. Like I said, we don’t know the details.

It could have been a tremendous battle in Moses’ mind between obeying God and going anyway. It’s a little bit like Jesus. Jesus couldn’t get to his land of Canaan either. He couldn’t build the kingdom of God while he was here. He had to be crucified instead. In a way, Moses probably felt like he was crucified because he couldn’t enter into the Promised Land even though he spent 120 years preparing for it. He thought/believed he was going into it but God gave him the excuse that he didn’t give him glory at a certain time in his life. It seemed like a small sin for him to commit to not be able to enter the Promised Land. But perhaps it was his fourth initiation.

The reason the fourth initiation is important is because when the disciple has undergone the fourth he is proven he is willing to do whatever is necessary to get the job done. On the third, he proves himself trustworthy. The Masters do not trust a disciple until he passes the third. Until he passes the third, he can always go backwards. After he has passed the third, he will rarely, or it is almost impossible for him to choose the dark side because he’s shown light on illusion. Illusion on the third is different than glamour. We talked about that briefly. What’s the difference between illusion and glamour?

Audience: Glamour is more focused toward you but illusion is mental?

JJ: Illusion is mental. You can be humble, sincerely humble, yet have illusion. Illusion goes back to your foundation beliefs. For instance, you may have a foundation belief because of the way you were reared that man is born in sin. This may color every other belief you may have. You can’t get your current belief system correct until you go back to your foundation belief and alter it. You have to shine light on it and dispel that illusion. Let’s think of another illusion: Perhaps you lived in the Middle Ages and believed the earth was the center of the universe and the sun circles around the earth. If you are teaching how the universe is built your theoretical work on this will be wrong because your foundation belief is based on illusion that the earth is the center of the universe. The earth is in the center. The sun circles around the earth and the whole universe circles around the earth. That’s the way they believed in the old days.

Everybody had this illusion and before they could get the truth of the universe they had to dispel this foundation illusion. When the foundation illusion was dispelled, then they could build on a foundation of truth. But it didn’t matter how logical you were in the middle ages. If you believed the earth was the center of the universe, you believed a lot of things wrong about the universe. That’s the way it is when we are reared in a religion or by our parents. They can put wrong beliefs in our mind. Even though we are humble, even though we are sincere, even though we treat our fellow men right, even though we are harmless, these foundation beliefs create error in our mind.

Many of the Nazis were actually good people but had a wrong foundation belief because of the misreading of the Bible that the Jews were children of the devil himself. Many of the Nazis actually believed that. So if you really believe the Jews are the children of the devil what do you do with them? You try to get rid of them. They thought they were doing the right thing because they were obviously planted here by the devil himself and they were children of the devil, so they had to exterminate them all.

The Nazi’s treated fellow believers well but they were happy about killing these Jews because of this illusionary belief. An illusionary belief can make people do very harmful and crazy things. It can make you drink Kool-Aid, like the Jim Jones people did because they were under certain illusions. They were good people that treated everybody well. But when the time came to drink the Kool-Aid, they complied because the saw Jim Jones as representing God.

Or the Heaven’s Gate group that wanted to go to the spaceship with the Hale-Bop comet a while back. They had the illusion that there was a spaceship waiting for them. Now these people were a logical people. They built websites and did work on computers and they were smart people. They had this illusion that caused them all kinds of trouble. This happens. It is easy to get trapped in illusion. When you cease to think your own thoughts you can become a Nazi or a Hale-Bop type person. In the right circumstance, if you are caught in illusion, it is so easy to do.

Everyone but a third degree initiate or higher is susceptible to being caught in an illusion. To work on our third degree initiation, one of the more important things to examine is our core beliefs and to shed light on them and ask ourselves, does this belief really make sense?

With almost everyone you talk to, if you probe them enough, you will find they will have a blind spot. Matter of fact, there’s a blind spot in your physical eyes. On the internet, there’s a test that you can do that shows the actual physical blind spot. As you go across the computer page, there is a spot that just disappears. You don’t see it. Just like the actual physical blind spot we all have in our lives. That’s a symbol of the blind spot we have that’s caused by some illusion that’s in us.

All of us have some type of blind spot that must be dispelled before the higher initiations can be taken. As long as we are capable of having this blind spot, even though we have been really trustworthy in the past, the hierarchy will not trust us completely until that blind spot of illusion is removed. That is why the third initiation, in the eyes of the hierarchy, is the first major initiation because when it is passed then they will say, we can trust this guy because he has eliminated the blind spot and he’s not likely to be caught by some illusion that’s going to take him down. The hierarchy will trust him. They realize he will still make mistakes, but they will basically trust him because he will head in the right general direction.

With the fourth initiation, the disciple has the added ability to make whatever sacrifice is needed to make everything work. This is what the fourth degree initiate is willing to do. This is why he will be trusted by the hierarchy and seek to begin a world wide work of some type. He is willing to do whatever is necessary. Not very many people will be willing to do whatever is necessary. All of us can practice preparing for this fourth initiation by looking at our own lives and saying, “am I willing to do what is necessary rather than what it my personality self wants to do?” What is necessary to serve my fellow man in the greatest capacity? All of us make many, many sacrifices in many steps before the great sacrifice comes to our life. It doesn’t matter where we are, we can start working toward the fourth initiation now by doing whatever we can to work for the good of the whole instead of the good of the self.

“Matter is but spirit on the lowest plane, and spirit, we are told, is but matter on the highest. All is spirit and these differentiations are but the products of the finite mind.” DK, Treatise on White Magic, Page 56

Dec 17, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 12

April 14, 2021 Joseph Dewey

Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 12
The Fourth Initiation

Now, the next step up is the achievement of the fourth initiation. DK points out that this attainment gives the disciple power to begin a spiritual work that will affect the world.

So, what happens at the fourth initiation? What’s it called?

Audience: Service? Crucifixion?

JJ: Crucifixion. So, what was the symbol in Jesus’ life that symbolized the fourth initiation?

Audience: The crucifixion?

JJ: What preceded the crucifixion?

Audience: You mean we all have to be crucified to be on the fourth level?

JJ: Crucified one way or another but not the way Jesus was. There are two examples of the crucifixion initiation in the Bible: one was Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane which was the main part of his crucifixion initiation. The cross was actually the easy part. Who is the other example of somebody undergoing crucifixion initiation? Who is another example we can think of in the Bible?

Audience: John the Baptist?

JJ: No. He didn’t volunteer to have his head decapitated.

Audience: Peter?

JJ: It has to be completely voluntary.

Audience: Moses

JJ: No, Moses probably passed this initiation, but we have no record of it.

Audience: guessing.

JJ: Who really had to make a big sacrifice in the Old Testament?

Audience: Abraham.

JJ: Abraham. What happened to Abraham? Why was it such a big sacrifice?

Audience: He was supposed to sacrifice his son.

JJ: Right, when Abraham received a promise and Abraham prayed to God. He wanted to be father of a people that recognized the One God. When Abraham was young, the people he lived with acknowledged different Gods. Abraham came to believe there was one God and he wanted to be the leader of the one people that worshipped the one God. He really desired this with his heart and prayed about it and received a revelation. God told him, Abraham, look at the stars in the heavens, he says, “I will make your descendants more populace than if you could count all the stars… so it will be more than the number of stars of heaven that you can see.”

Abraham thought, “Oh boy, that is what I really want. I want to have posterity like the stars of the heavens and the sands of the sea.” I think the sands of the sea were mentioned also. His posterity would be extremely numerous. He received this promise from God. You get a promise from God, you think, “That’s it. I’ve got it clinched now.”

The trouble was he waited and waited and waited and never had any children until he was 100 years old. Once you’re about 100 years old wouldn’t you begin to wonder if you imagined if God promised you children when you have none? You’d imagine that. Abraham received another revelation and he was told they would have a son. Do you remember the story that Sarah laughed? They eventually did have a son, his name was Isaac. And it looked like, “Well, here we had our faith tested. Our faith was really tested. We didn’t have the kid till we were 100 years old and now we finally got him. I guess God will fulfill his promise after all. Now we have the opportunity to have a tremendous posterity that believes in the One God.” And then when Isaac was a few years old Abraham received another commandment. What was that commandment?

Audience: Take your son, your only son and offer him up as a sacrifice.

JJ: Yeah. What would you think if you got a revelation like that? Take your only son. Now what made this difficult, even more difficult than sacrificing his son, was the fact that if he did sacrifice his son it would mean God was a liar. Have you ever been in a situation in life where it would seem like if you did what you were commanded, it would make God out like to be a liar? Now, if God is a liar that just about undoes your faith in everything, doesn’t it? If you can’t trust God, who can you trust?

So, if he had to go sacrifice his son, then, how in the world can God be a God that tells the truth? And that probably bothered Abraham more than sacrificing his son, because if you sacrifice your son, God will still exist. But to find out that God is a liar, well, what is there to live for? It just completely undoes your whole belief system to question whether or not God has been lying to you all this whole time. Maybe the God you worshipped is just not what you made Him out to be.

Audience: Surely he questioned the revelation.

JJ: Except he didn’t question the revelation. He knew it was a true revelation from God and didn’t question that. Now he questioned if God was really reliable. Can God just change his mind on a whim and break his word? It is a very upsetting thing to think about. So it was a very tough decision for Abraham to make. He had to sacrifice everything that he had ever leaned, including his belief in God. He even had to sacrifice the way he believed in God.

Now, Josephus added an interesting thing about this in his history. He says that Abraham finally concluded that if he went and sacrificed Isaac, the only thing that God could do if he was a God of truth was raise Isaac up from the dead. That’s the way Abraham calculated it. “If God isn’t a liar, if I go sacrifice Isaac, he has to fulfill his promise so Isaac will be raised up from the dead.”

This was before the time of Jesus so there were no teachings about resurrection. So this was a really far out hope that Abraham felt may happen. As we know, he took Isaac up the mountain and as Abraham was about to sacrifice him, an angel appeared before Abraham and said, “Don’t sacrifice him. It was just a little test.” The angel gave him a ram to sacrifice instead. That’s about it.

Audience: response not clear.

JJ: One of the things that DK points out is that as we evolve as a society, the initiations change a bit. They actually become harder. He says the second initiation in the days of Atlantis was easier than the second initiation now because it didn’t involve the mind so much. We are more mentally developed now so it’s actually a little bit harder because the standards are higher as our minds are more developed. Remember the second initiation is pretty much what the hierarchy decides it is. When they decide what it is they decide to acknowledge it. The Hierarchy meets in conclaves in various cycles of 100 years or more to decide what new approaches to things are needed or to handle things a little differently.

Joseph Smith is an example of somebody that failed his fourth initiation. Joseph Smith repeated his third initiation when he was just a young boy, but then he approached his fourth initiation near the end of his life. He is an interesting example of someone who failed it, and because he failed the fourth initiation, the church was not able to get the start it needed to properly enlighten the world. Remember, a person has to pass his fourth initiation before he can give power to a spiritual work as did Jesus.

I’ll tell you exactly how this happened. When a warrant was given out for Joseph’s arrest he knew if he was taken prisoner he would be killed. In fact he stated earlier: “I told the brethren that if I or my brother are arrested one more time,” he says, “we will be slain or I’m not a prophet of God.”

Now that’s quite a statement to be made especially when he had been arrested dozens of times, gone to court dozens of times and been exonerated dozens of times. But finally this time, he said, “If we are taken by the system one more time, I will be slain or I’m not a prophet of God.” He was taken one more time and he was slain.

The warrant was put out for his arrest. He was beside himself as what to do for he knew his life was at stake. He was pacing the floor and didn’t know what he was going to do. He had already received a true impression that if he was taken again, he would be killed. His scribe, that was with him, described Joseph Smith as he was pacing the floor, wondering what to do. He said that all of a sudden he stopped and it was like his whole countenance lit up and he said, “I know what to do. God has just shown me exactly what I need to do.” He said, “I will go west and I’ll go to the Oregon territory and those who are ready will follow me out there. We’ll build a new kingdom out there. We will start afresh.” That way Joseph Smith could save his life and continue the work.

Abraham was required to sacrifice his son. Joseph Smith was asked to do something entirely different geared to what was most difficult for him. Actually, he often talked about looking forward to being a martyr. His life was so difficult, he underwent so many trials, he often talked about how he wouldn’t mind going to the other side and avoiding all these problems he was encountering. He sometimes talked like he almost looked forward to it.

But he received this revelation to go to the Oregon Territory. So he gathered together a group of trusted friends to cross the Mississippi River, in a boat. When they crossed it, a big storm came up and just about capsized it. It was almost like the wrath of God was on that river and they barely got to the other side with their lives. They stayed at a farmhouse overnight and prepared to head out west. They got a letter the next day, delivered from his wife. The letter said, “Everyone is calling you a coward. You are like the shepherd that has left his sheep. The shepherd must stay with his sheep like Christ did. Christ stayed with his sheep and saw things through and you’re a coward and you’re running away.”

Joseph Smith read the letter and he said to his brother, “What shall we do?” His brother said, “Well, we ought to go back because every time we have faced these problems, we have seen them through and we’ll see them through again.” Joseph said, “Yes, but its different this time. It’s different this time because if we go back we are going to be butchered.” Then he turned to Porter Rockwell who did the rowing and manning of the boat and he said, “What shall we do, Porter?” Porter said, “You’re the prophet, you tell us what to do.” Then Hiram was the one that really threw the wrench in the works. He said, “I’ll tell you what I’m going to do, I’m going to go back with or without you.”

Then Joseph says, “No, you don’t want to go back; we’ll be butchered.” Hiram says, “No, we can see it through. We’ve seen it through before and we’ll see it through again. And things will work out. So, I’m going back.”

Joseph said, “You can’t go back without me.” Hiram says, “Yes I can. I’m going back.” So that was the temptation for Joseph because he pictured in his mind, his brother going back, his brother getting killed, and him living. His brother would turn out to be a martyr and he’d look like a coward if he didn’t go back. Yet, he received the revelation to go west.

And so that was the big trial for him. Unlike many other fourth degree initiates, he was commanded to live. Whereas most of them are commanded to die, he was commanded to live. So Joseph Smith’s big hurdle was to live and be called a coward. Now that was very hard for him because he was looked upon by the church as being one of the most courageous men they had ever seen because time and time again he had faced death and escaped it. He had escaped firing squads, kidnapping, mobs and all kinds of things.

He had tremendous difficulty being called a coward by his people. So he gave in to the emotion. DK says the magician must beware lest he be drowned in the waters. That’s one of the rules of White Magic. At that point, when his brother said he was going back even without Joseph Smith, Joseph was drowned by the waters of emotion. He was filled with emotion and he said, “If my life is nothing to my friends, it is worth nothing to me.” At that point, Joseph was drowned by tremendous emotion and he succumbed to it and he went back and thus he failed the fourth initiation.

“Also, let it not be forgotten that once the magic of the soul is grasped by the personality, that soul steadily dominates and can be trusted to carry forward the training of the man to fruition, unhampered (as you necessarily are) by thoughts of time and space, and by an ignorance of the past career of the soul concerned.” DK, Treatise on White Magic, Page 55

Dec 16, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 11

April 13, 2021 Joseph Dewey

Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 11
The Dweller and the Angel

When the second initiation is passed, the disciple gets control over his glamours and gets basic control over his emotional state. When he gets control over his emotions, does that mean he’ll never get angry? What do you think?

Audience: I don’t think so. I think he will get angry.

JJ: So you think even DK can get angry once in awhile? Did Jesus get angry once that we know about?

Audience: He threw out the moneychangers.

JJ: Yeah. What was there about throwing out the money changers that showed he still had control over his anger?

Audience: He didn’t kill anybody.

JJ: No, he didn’t kill anybody.

Audience: He braided a rope

JJ: Right, how does that show he had control?

Audience: Well, because he took the time to do that. He didn’t start pushing over the tables. He quietly braided together a rope.

JJ: The person who has no control, responds immediately. If you go up to him and tell him, “Your momma does this,” or something similar he’s going to get mad. He’ll just lash out instantly, right? He doesn’t have the self-control to think about it, to even question, ‘What’s this guy’s motive? Is he really insulting my momma?’ The person without control will just react immediately and go after the guy. What was different about Jesus? He went in the Temple and sees the money changers defiling His Father’s house and it filled him with rage. The impulse, if he were not to have the control, he would have just started turning over tables right then on the spot. But no, what did he do?

Audience: Braided rope.

JJ: After He saw this, he was filled with rage, but He stopped . Jesus went outside. He found the ingredients for a whip and took the time to construct one. That probably took Him a couple of hours. When He got the rope all ready He went back into the temple. He had it all planned. It was a mental decision: He controlled his emotions. He decided it was time to teach these guys a lesson. Then He turned over the tables, whipped these guys and chases them out, but only after He spent an hour or two making this rope which He also used as a whip.

Could you imagine? He probably planned the element of surprise. He probably figured, “well, I need to go in with a strong impact in order to pull this thing off. If I can go in there and really raise hell quickly, maybe I can take them by surprise so I don’t get arrested.” So anyway that’s what happened. He went in there. According to the Aquarian Gospel the authorities did want to come after Him but the common people were so proud of Him and supportive of Him that they stood with Jesus and wouldn’t let them arrest Him at that time. I thought that was interesting because when I read it in The Bible I wondered how come the people in the temple didn’t stop Him. The Aquarian Gospel gives that added extra explanation because the common people saw that Jesus was right. The Pharisees saw that the common people stood with Him, they didn’t want to cause trouble.

Audience: A comment waa made about the symbolism of the event.

JJ: That’s interesting, how things like symbology is there. It’s possible that Jesus wasn’t even thinking of symbology when He did that. Oftentimes, even if you aren’t thinking of symbology, there is symbology in what you may do. People may look back on these things and think the symbology was pre-planned, but it usually isn’t. It often is just what happens and symbolism is incorporated naturally, not only in lives of the masters but in your own life when you act from the soul.

Audience: So the fact that he braided the rope, is that in the regular or the Aquarian Gospel?

JJ: It’s in the regular Bible as well as the Aquarian Gospel.

Audience: I don’t remember that.

JJ: There are a lot of things in the Bible that are overlooked, that you just don’t think are in there. A lot of people use this as an example to show Jesus lost control. “Jesus lost control, so I can.” He didn’t lose control. He had to exercise tremendous control, to be in a rage, to feel enraged about the situation, and then to go braid the rope. He had tremendous control of his emotional body.

OK, so, at the second initiation you master the emotions. Now even after you pass an initiation you can slip back for a period of time because you aren’t expected to be 100% perfect but you are expected to be polarized in the mind at the time. What do we mean by being polarized in the mind?

Audience: 51% (Laughter)

JJ: That means you have control. If it comes between the mind and the emotions, you will choose mental control, even though you will still feel a strong pull from the emotions. Matter of fact, the pull is extremely strong because by the time you pass the second initiation the solar plexus center is pretty much all open and you have a lot more powerful emotions than emotionally grounded people. I find it interesting when you think about it: those who have control of the emotions have stronger emotions than those who don’t have control of the emotions because the emotional center of the initiate is opened and 100% flowing.

You have seven basic centers in your body and they have many petals on them and they open up as you evolve. The perfect man has all of the petals on all of the centers open and functioning and can use the energy from any of them. The energy of the emotions is something we definitely want to use. The wise person will use them to his benefit.

Now DK talks about what happens after the initiations, especially after the higher ones, where the ceremony is performed. I have never talked to anyone who remembers having a ceremony performed at an initiation. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

Audience: Glamour?

JJ: It could be if you had a memory of it.

Audience: Memory of what?

JJ: Memory of the ceremony acknowledging your initiation.

JJ: A memory where Christ meets you and acknowledges you passed the second initiation. One of the reasons for this lack of recollection is the acknowledgement often happens while you are asleep or right after you die between lifetimes. That’s one of the reasons people are unaware of it. There are times when it will happen when people are completely aware. The initiates will be completely aware of the experience that led up to various initiations, of the times when they achieved control over the various emotions and deciding points in the their life when they were in charge of their points of tension.

The third initiation what is that? What do we get to control with the third initiation?

Audience: Illusion

JJ: What was the symbol of the third initiation in the life of Jesus?

Audience: Forty days in the desert.

JJ: No

Audience: Transfiguration

JJ: Can anyone tell me what happened at the transfiguration?

Audience: He increased vibration.

JJ: Yeah, He went up to this mountain with Peter, James and John. They were met by Moses and Elijah whom appeared to Jesus. Jesus’ body glowed like the sun. There are several other examples of the third initiation. One was Paul. Can you tell when he began his third initiation? What happened to him?

Audience: He met the angel on the road and he was transfigured.

JJ: He met the Christ and he was so blinded by the Light that he was physically blinded for a period of time. Another example in the Bible is Moses. When did he undergo his third initiation?

Audience: The burning bush?

JJ: When he came down from Mt. Sinai he looked different. How was he different?

Audience: His hair was white.

JJ: His body shined so brightly they had to throw a cloth over him. He was too bright to look upon him. That showed he underwent the third initiation, the Transfiguration Initiation.

Audience: When the initiation is done would he be an aspirant to the third initiation?

JJ: They aren’t called an aspirant. An aspirant is technically somebody before the first initiation.

Audience: So you could be working on your third initiation for a long time. But when you graduate, that is when you glow?

JJ: Yeah, well you don’t necessarily glow. Paul didn’t glow. He was met by a great light, but he didn’t glow. A person may glow if it happens with high intensity or it happens over a period of time. But what he does is he meets an Angel of the Presence. Before he meets with the Angel of the Presence he meets something else about which we talked. What was that?

Audience: The Dweller.

JJ: The Dweller on the Threshold. He meets the Dweller on the Threshold. Another person who experienced the third initiation was Joseph Smith. What happened to him? When did Joseph Smith undergo his third initiation?

Audience: He saw Jesus Christ, God the Father, God The Son, together, in the woods.

JJ: He met his Dweller on the Threshold. What happened there?

Audience: One account is that it overcame him to the point of a cloud of darkness where he couldn’t speak and he said if it happened much longer he doubted he would have lived.

JJ: It felt like he would be destroyed in both body and spirit by this tremendous presence. Joseph Smith went out into the grove to pray to find out which church was right. He started to pray and called upon God. This Presence came upon him and overpowered him and he felt like it was going to destroy him. Then, just as he felt like he was at the point of destruction, he called out to God. He saw two personages come down and The Dweller evaporated. At the third initiation you will meet your Dweller on the Threshold.

Audience: What is the Dweller on the Threshold?

JJ: The Dweller on the Threshold is the combination of all negativity you have accumulated in all your past lives. Lets say you’ve lived 900 lifetimes and all the negativity that has happened to you, all the pain and all the fears that you accumulated… every thought produces a distilled energy and your distilled thoughts on the negative side create an entity that is composed of fear and pain and it follows you around as you approach the third initiation. Matter of fact, it follows us around all the time. If you ever reach a point where you feel afraid to do something that is right, that is your dweller trying to keep you back. Your personal devil, so-to-speak. Just like we have a personal Father in heaven and he’s inside us, we also have a personal devil that follows us around. As you reach the third initiation, you will receive enough light to dispel this dweller so he won’t bother you again.

The dweller perceives this and doesn’t like it. It scares the dickens out of him. If you feel you are going to die, you’re going to fight to live. That’s what the dweller is doing. So when Joseph Smith went out to pray, the dweller said, “Oh, no, if he receives additional light, I’m gone. I’m toast.” So he attacks Joseph Smith and tries to prevent him from crossing the threshold into what is called, in DK’s writings, the Angel of the Presence. To prevent you from meeting the Angel of the Presence the dweller will do everything to stop you from attaining the revelation necessary to dispel him as just the illusion that he is. That’s why he’s called the dweller on the threshold

A famous scene that we saw in the movies where a character was faced with his dweller was Bruce Lee where he kept fighting this monster in his dreams. I gave an example of me fighting this monster in my dreams. That wasn’t really my dweller that was just a monster in my dreams. But with Bruce Lee’s case I think that could have been a representation of his dweller.

Bruce Lee was an initiate, an initiate in quite a few things. Maybe you’ve seen the Bruce Lee movie where he fights a demon all the time in his dreams. He may have not been ready for the third initiation. He could have been ready for the second. The dweller gives you a big problem for quite a few lifetimes before you finally reach the third initiation. Christ met his dweller when he went into the wilderness where he received the temptations from the devil.

Audience: Do we know anything about Paul’s dweller experience?

JJ: It is hard to say what his dweller was. We don’t know all the details. It’s possible his dweller was there his whole life. He didn’t teach or do much of anything for around fourteen years after he received his revelation. He didn’t feel worthy. Its possible it took him fourteen years to overcome his dweller. Sometimes it will take a long time. It took Moses forty years to overcome his dweller yet Joseph Smith overcame it in an instant. Moses received his first revelation when he was still in Egypt. It was by revelation that he was told that he was a Hebrew. And when he found out he was a Hebrew, he had an impression that he was going to be the deliverer and that was when his dweller came to him and told him he wasn’t worthy to be any deliverer. ‘You’re just nobody’ and so that’s one of the reasons Moses left Egypt and herded sheep for forty years. It took him those forty years before he had the courage to go approach God again and overcome the dweller.

The reason it didn’t take Joseph Smith very long in that particular case was he was a young man when it happened and he had overcome his dweller in a past life. In each life we repeat everything in miniature. If you’re a third degree initiate you will repeat your initiations all over again.

Sometimes you will fail them. This is one of the reasons the masters don’t like incarnating among us is because sometimes they could get a second or third initiation they’re repeating when they’re young and not pass one completely and be trapped for a couple life times to get back where they were. So they’re hesitant to incarnate among us. It’s risky for them to do this. Each person will repeat every step of the spiritual progress in miniature, it won’t be as hard, but it is still somewhat risky.

We achieve the status we were in our last life, if we’ve done everything correctly, by the time we are around twenty-one. So Joseph Smith was sixteen (by one account) when he had his vision and overcame his dweller. This means that he had done that a number of lifetimes ago, at one time or another, because it happened when it was that age.

Audience: Does it have to be twenty-one? Can you drag it out till you’re thirty something before you finally relive all your lives again?

JJ: As far as basic intelligence goes you achieve that point where you left off by the time you are twenty-one. By the time you are twenty-one, you will generally, unless you screw up, be back where you were (as far as intelligence is concerned) in your last life. It’s always possible to retrogress because we always have free will. Like I say, an initiate can come back and fail the second or third initiation at age sixteen, seventeen, eighteen or whatever and then have to work on that later in life before he gets back to where he was. So it is possible to delay it. But if a person doesn’t do it by the age twenty-eight then he’s not going to do it.

Audience: Joseph Smith said, “If you only knew who I was.”

JJ: He said, “No man knows my history. If I were to tell it there are people in this room that would rise up and kill me.”

Audience: And he also said, if you only knew who I was. I always got the feeling he meant in another life.

JJ: Well, if he had told them, for instance, he had already built The Temple Beautiful in a past life, in Atlantis and was chased by lizard people, that would have probably done it right there.

Audience: Laughter.

JJ: In our third initiation we overcome our dweller which represents our deepest fears. We must face all of our deepest fears and overcome them and this is difficult for us because nobody knows our deepest fears and the things that what will affect us more than we know ourselves. When a person does achieve this third initiation he encounters the Angel of the Presence. What is the Angel of the Presence?

Audience: The reflection of the monad.

JJ: Pretty much, that’s a good way to say it. I always talk about the soul but there are other ingredients. The soul is really a reflection of the Monad. The Monad is the core essence of ourselves, the point from which we originated. It’s like our personal father in heaven. The Angel of the Presence stands for something that is the highest of the soul and it’s a very overpowering presence. The Angel of the Presence, in the case of Joseph Smith, was the two beings that appeared to him. In the case of Paul it was the Christ who he saw. In the case of Moses it was Jehovah.

You’ll notice in the Bible that Jehovah is called the Angel of the Lord. He is actually an Angel of the Presence. Angel of the Presence means that this being or personage represents the presence of God. The presence of God is very powerful. If a person approaches the presence of God he will feel like he is going to evaporate his body, mind and soul. It’s more terrifying than the dweller on the threshold. To have a choice between those two is a terrifying choice for the person. Now most think ‘boy, it would be great to be able to see God or the master or these high entities’. The very high entities, if you meet them in their glory, their presence is very powerful. And in a way it is difficult for the masters to come into our presence also because they have to lower their vibration. We have to heighten ours and meet at a midway point to meet these higher entities, especially in their spiritual state.

If a person thinks he is a third degree initiate he will remember some experience where he has endured the dweller on the threshold and he has encountered the Angel of the Presence. It will be a very profound experience and he won’t have to guess whether or not it happened to him. He will know that such and such an experience has happened to him. Just like Paul, who knew he saw that light. It was so bright he knew he had the experience. It isn’t something you wonder if you had this experience or not. It’s not something a person will be pondering.

Audience: It sounds like Samadhi.

Audience: So what if you haven’t had the initiation yet, you are considered a second degree initiate until you have that initiation?

JJ: Yes. Now The Tibetan says something else interesting. We call him DK, The Tibetan, DK, Djwhal Khul.

Audience: It might be helpful to spell his name for people.

JJ: Djwhal Khul. It’s a hard name to spell, we have to write it down several times to remember it.

Audience: Won’t find it under a search of Cool. Laughter.

Audience: Jesus faced his dweller in the garden but when He experienced His own transfiguration, that took place before that.

JJ: No, he didn’t face his dweller in The Garden, He faced it in the wilderness. But the Christ faced the planetary dweller in the garden. That’s what I write about and probably what you’re thinking about. The whole planet also has a dweller on the threshold.

Audience: Experienced at different times?

JJ: The Dweller on the Threshold for the entire planet creates a barrier between humanity, and God or Shamballa. Jesus, in the garden of Gethsemane, created a link between humanity and Shamballa because he pierced the dweller on the threshold for the entire planet. That’s why it is written that he took upon himself the sins of the whole world in the Garden of Gethsemane because he had to face the sins and errors of the whole world to be able to penetrate the dweller to the consciousness of Shamballa.

Audience: DK speaks sometimes about a light you see behind your eyes, does that have anything to do with the transfiguration? Or is that a different experience?

JJ: That’s a different experience that has to do with light that’s in your etheric body and different places. As your various centers unfold you will have different lights that you will experience. Anyone, when they close their eyes at night can often see lights with their eyes closed? How many of you have that experience? That’s because you’re seeing different unfolding of lights in your etheric body. And this has all kinds of meanings and there are all different kinds of lights you can see.

One of the things DK says is that the initiations are really recognitions of accomplishments of the disciples. When you get recognized as an initiate, you aren’t an initiate because you get recognition, it’s that you really already are an initiate. It’s like if you go pick a basket of apples, you already have the basket whether anybody recognizes it or not. If somebody gives you a prize for picking a basket of apples, that’s recognition of it. That’s a little bit of the way the hierarchy has the system set. As the various disciples make various achievements then The Hierarchy recognizes them as fellow initiates on certain levels.

Audience: Give you a merit badge.

JJ: We may already be an initiate before we are formally recognized by the spiritual hierarchy.

Audience: Can a person go through all seven initiations in one life or does it take many lives?

JJ: It takes many lives.

Audience: Is it impossible for a person to go through all seven initiations in one life?

JJ: Yes. The Christ Himself is working on the seventh initiation. If He were to be reborn, He would actually go through them all in one lifetime, but in miniature.

Audience: He would be done by the time he is twenty-one.

JJ: They would be familiar to him because he’s done them previously. He’s passing through them the second, third, or tenth time for some of the lower initiations. We are told, when He comes back again He will complete His seventh, He hasn’t completed it yet. The seventh is the last one to be done here upon earth.

Another thing, the evidence of initiation is: the initiate, initiates. The person of the first degree initiates on the physical level: things that affect physical lives. He may start a business, he may start an organization. He’ll be a self-starter. He’ll want to start things or assist in starting things.

The same thing with second degree initiator but he will initiate not only physical organizations but things that will appeal to the emotional nature of man. Like Tony Robins, for instance. He really appeals to the emotional nature of man and he’s initiating things on emotional levels that motivate people in a positive way for the most part. So it’s quite possible he is either working on a second initiation or has completed it because he is very powerful in working with emotions in a positive way.

Third degree initiate works on a wider scope. He’ll work on the physical level, the emotional level and also on the level of the mind. Somebody like Plato or Socrates is likely to have been a third degree initiate. They were working initiating new ideas on the plane of mind that affected the mind, the emotions, and the physical world. They affected all three worlds.

“Intention and effort are considered by us of prime importance, and are the two main requisites for all disciples, initiates and masters, plus the power of persistence.” DK. Treatise on White Magic, Page 54

Dec 11, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 10

April 11, 2021 Joseph Dewey

Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 10
Facing Glamours

JJ: Some religions say you can’t dance or party and you need to do or not do a lot of stuff to be spiritual but that’s not true spirituality. The disciple does not lower the state of true spirituality, but neither does he refrain from having a harmless good time. He lives in a state of harmlessness. DK mentions this again and again and again. The key to progression is always harmlessness. Harmlessness takes judgment because that which appears to be harmless can be harmful like the guy who says let’s just have an affair on the side and no one will find out therefore no one will get hurt. On subtle planes the spouse always knows because there’s an inner communication, and suspicion arises and the relationship goes downhill because the communication between the two has changed.

That’s an example where they think they’re being harmless but they’re not. Other times churches will say you’re being harmful if you wear the wrong kind of clothes. There is generally nothing wrong with that.

Audience: Another example you used in the group a few years ago is Jim Jones or someone like that. He did some pretty good things at first like getting food for hungry people and stuff but then he got into this glamour where he was the best thing for these people and did some pretty harmful things by making people become so reliant on him.

JJ: Harmfulness is really difficult to judge. When Jesus showed up on the scene the Jews said to him, “You’re trying to destroy our way of life and our law. You’re trying to destroy the law of Moses. You’re an awful guy.” But was Jesus creating the harm? From where did the harm come? A lot of it was their imagination because destroying their black and white idea of the law was really a good thing. Whenever we are attached to something and that attachment is destroyed we think it’s bad. In reality it’s usually good.

This is the basic teaching of Buddha. Release yourself from attachments and you can then attain Nirvana. It’s the same as the words of Jesus telling us to release your self from the old kingdom and go with the new way of attaining heaven. Two important things need to be overcome in the second initiation. Those are glamour and the pull of the emotions. You need to master the emotions. Can someone tell me what DK means when he talks about glamour? Could we say glamour is an inflation of the ego around some idea about itself?

Audience: Can a glamour also have more of a negative connotation like I’m not worthy or not good enough?

JJ: Right. It can be both ways and there’s ever the glamour of false humility where someone says I’m not nearly as good as you when they’re really thinking I’m a lot better than you. Have you ever met people like that?

Audience: What if you believe that?

JJ: You mean is it a glamour? It can be. A glamour is something that gives the ego more control over you. The glamour of humility leads one to say, “I need to be really humble because if I’m humble enough I can be accepted by God.” So the guy goes around being overly humble all the time thinking it makes him righteous. If he does it with that attitude it is a glamour. If he does it with the attitude of true humility thinking I’m either at this stage or that stage so I’ll act like I’m on the lower stage so I won’t be disappointed. That’s okay. That’s a good way to do it because we’re usually on the lower part of where we think we are. Jesus shared a parable about this. The master of the house was having a dinner and the most important guest would sit next to him.

Jesus said if you go in there thinking you’re the important guest and sit next to the master and get told you don’t belong there and get sent to the opposite end of the table you’ll feel really embarrassed. In this way He told us to be humble and just assume we’re at the low end of the table. If you go sit at the low end of the table the master might ask you to come closer and sit next to him. Then you’ll feel good. But if you’re told go back and sit with the scum or sit with the rejects back there when you thought you were right up there with the master you’ll be embarrassed. This is a good way to approach it. If we don’t know we should assume the lower aspect rather than the higher.

Audience: What the second initiation symbolizes in Jesus’ life…was that in the desert?

JJ: No what was symbolized in Jesus’ life as the second initiation was when He was baptized in the River Jordan and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him. In the second initiation you overcome glamour and become humble because you aren’t controlled by glamours anymore. We need to overcome those glamours and negate them so we don’t over inflate our importance. We’re humble and submit to the baptism of the spirit then that’s a symbol of the second initiation.

Glamour is the inflation of self by the ego. The ego takes different aspects of ourselves and builds up their importance. This happens as we develop the feeling nature. Before the feeling nature is developed we’re tribal people living on instincts. The primitive man is very instinctual because he’s very closely connected to the animal kingdom, and animals have very powerful instincts. They react very quickly to these instincts and the primitive man is used to acting very instinctual. He has not thought of himself as important or not. He just thought of himself as a member of the tribe and did what the internal computer program told him to do.

When we develop the feeling nature we learn the power of romantic love, the power of anger and love and hate and all these different emotions. Associated with that, the feelings amplify things. When the feelings amplify our sense of importance we develop a problem. All of us have gone through cycles in our past lives and maybe even our current one where we feel like we are very important people. Probably the most important people on the planet are the Masters and the most important of them is the Christ Himself. An interesting thing He said when people were saying He was great was, “Of myself I can do nothing. It is the father within me that does the works. It’s not me that’s doing these things. It is the father within me because of myself I can do nothing.”

What does that tell you about Christ? He had mastered glamour. He didn’t see Himself as all important. One reason was even though He was doing something important from our perspective, He saw a bigger perspective and knew what He was doing was small in relation to the universe or the whole solar system. This is the way it is. We may see ourselves as very important yet all you need to do to feel unimportant is to look up at the stars at night. Each one of those stars is either a galaxy or a solar system. If it’s a galaxy it’s composed of over 200 billion billion star systems, billion of planets, and millions of beings that are probably smarter than we are. The self importance just evaporates. It’s a tendency of glamour to make one think that he’s the most important person on the earth. Have you ever met someone who thinks they’re the most important person on the planet?

Audience: I think that’s a loaded question. (Laughter) Yes.

JJ: Most of us have at one time or another. I met a guy awhile back who thought he was a master. Pretty soon he thought he was the Ancient of Days, then a short time later he thought he was the Solar Logos. Last time I saw him he thought he was the god over the whole galaxy. By now he probably thinks he’s the god over the whole universe. It’s funny how people’s egos can really get a hold of them.

Audience: We have Joseph Smith reincarnated in Manti who has also been Jesus, Moses and Adam.

JJ: He isn’t god of the planet yet?

Audience: I think that’s what he’s saying now. He goes through the Adam/God doctrine.

JJ: Pretty soon he’ll grow up to be the Solar Logos.

Audience: I don’t think he knows about that or he would be it!

JJ: I used to joke when I taught metaphysics and tell everyone to pick who they were because there are only so many really important people to be. You can be Jesus or you can be Napoleon or you can be Joseph Smith but you need to pick now before they’re taken. Somebody has to be those guys. The chances of being somebody important in history are really pretty small though. If we think we are that person we should probably reexamine the probabilities because they’re pretty small. So we have to overcome our various glamours.

Audience: How do we go about doing that?

JJ: “You probably have. I can’t see much glamour in you so maybe you know how to do it.” (laughter)

Audience: “By not answering questions.” (Laughter)

Audience: “Shed light on it.”

JJ: Yeah, that sometimes helps when you shed light on the glamour. I told the Keys the story of when I thought I was a good singer. This is before we had tape recorders so I couldn’t listen to myself when I was about 14, 15, 16… something like that, I loved Del Shannon. I loved the song, Runaway and I loved the falsetto: wah wah wah wah. I used to listen to it all the time. I drove everyone around me crazy. “So, don’t you think I’m a good singer?” I asked my sister.

“No, you’re a terrible singer,” she would say.

“No, I sound just like him.” I thought.

My dad who was visiting was so fed up so he borrowed a tape recorder. Hardly anyone had tape recorders in those days. He went way out of his way brought it home and said, “Here sing into this.” And I sang into it . Dad played it back with a gleeful look on his face. I heard it and I was horror stricken! Man, I’m never going to sing again. (laughter)

Now, that doesn’t happen today because you grow up listening to yourself on recorders. So you’re not in shock. I had never heard myself on a tape recorder. It was total shock. It probably took half the glamour out of me that I ever had in my entire life. But it was probably a really good lesson for me because ever since then I’ve checked myself. Maybe I’m not as good as I think I am.

Audience: That corresponds, but I meant, shine soul light on it.

JJ: Shedding a light of any kind would help. A person with a glamour is a little bit like an alcoholic. With an alcoholic you help him by gathering everyone together; friends and relatives and you confront him and tell him he screwed up his life as well as others. And when he hears everybody telling the same story, the alcoholic thinks well maybe there is something to it. Sometimes it does work.

So if a person with a glamour gets told again and again; you are not the center of the universe. You are not an enlightened Master incarnated here on the earth, you are pretty much a regular guy. Maybe that will eventually sink in.

Usually the soul doesn’t shed light until we have to go through some painful experience that forces us to look upon the soul and, unfortunately, until we become fairly highly evolved we have to learn by going through quite a bit of pain. Pain forces us to examine ourselves. Once a person achieves a high enough degree of soul contact he can avoid a considerable amount of pain in life because when you trust the soul you can avoid having to learn from pain.

Until you learn to trust the soul you will have a lot of pain, which will eventually teach you. I have received impressions from the soul that I didn’t follow. I underwent a tremendous pain. So next time I learned to follow the inner knowing instead of not trusting it. This is what makes us trust the soul as time passes on. We ignore the soul at first. We think it is our imagination or just our self talking, and we learn to pay attention because the pain happens when we don’t pay attention. Eventually we learn to go around the pain. The pain in this world is impossible to eliminate 100%. The person that is connected in the soul when he has pain won’t be bothered so much because he learns to override it or ignore it, or if he is facing two directions and one will lead to pain, he can take the direction that will avoid the pain.

But on the other hand, of course, there are certain times when you will have conflict if you are in the soul. It is unavoidable yet the conflict that happens when you are in the soul is a joyous thing. Even though people around you will think that it is a terrible thing when you are in the conflict, in the midst of it, it will actually be very stimulating; a little bit like Evil Knievel riding his motorcycle over a canyon. It is exhilarating for the guy even though it is dangerous. That’s the way it is when you are following the soul and the soul guides you in a direction that is a little dangerous. You go ahead and do it and you know it involves some risk, a lot of risk sometimes. You’ll be in it for the thrill, as Rick says.

Have you had some thrills like that feeling like a motorcycle over the Grand Canyon?

Audience: When has my life not been like that? I’d like to know?

JJ: I know a little bit about this audience member, she’s been on some crazy ups and downs of life so I pick on her a little, probably some others here too

Audience: Well, to begin with my father was a Multiple personality, manic depressive, alcoholic. (Laughter)

Audience: Enough said.

Audience: Otherwise he is a great guy.

Audience: Otherwise a great guy, yeah. Depending on which personality he was.

JJ: My dad was an alcoholic too and all the other alcoholics sure loved him.

Audience member: I’ve been married a time or two.

Audience: ‘fess up!

JJ: We have a big advantage with glamours. To overcome something when you don’t know what you are doing takes a lot of trial and error to do it. We have the advantage of understanding specifically what glamours are because DK points them out. When we need to overcome them it gives us tremendous advantage over people who don’t have these teachings. Let’s name three glamours. Can anyone name one?

Audience: Messiah complex.

JJ: Yeah, that’s a big complex. People that think they are here to save the world, even though the world doesn’t want to be saved.

Audience: Martyr complex.

JJ: Yeah, that is a glamour too. Why is martyr complex a glamour?

Audience: Control?

JJ: How does the ego benefit by the guy being a martyr?

Audience: It’s like a stigmata thing. I’m so important I’m being persecuted.

JJ: Yeah, there are many things that will appear like he’s humble, sacrificing himself, but what he is doing is really motivated around drawing attention to himself. “For the good of the group I will fade out and disappear. You guys don’t want me.” You know the martyr complex.

Or in a relationship, “I’ll just get out of your way so I won’t be a problem anymore and won’t be any trouble to you” whereas the person really wants you to say “Oh please come back. I need you so much.” What he’s really wanting is that feeling of self-importance. Can you tell me another glamour?

Audience: Control.

JJ: All glamour is around control to a degree. That’s not necessarily a specific glamour.

Audience: Chosen one.

JJ: That’s a little bit like the Messiah complex. People think that God has chosen them for something. When you read about the chosen people in the Bible it can be translated another way it can be translated as the people who are choosing God. The true chosen people are the ones who have chosen God. Those who choose a true spiritual life, those are the true spiritual people.

Audience: Narcissistic type of thing, you know the end all of creation.

JJ: That’s a possibility

Audience: I don’t know how to put it in words, it has something to do with not being able to trust others. I think it’s kind of a glamour when you don’t trust anybody else because nobody else is trustworthy. No one is worthy of your trust. I think that’s a form of glamour. I’m not quite sure how to put it in words.

Audience: Like, he’s the only one that can be trusted.

Audience: Like I’m the only trustworthy one, no one else is trustworthy.

JJ: Yeah. Yeah. It comes back to where it is centered on you. I can’t trust anybody else. I have to do it all myself. Nobody else can do anything.

Audience: No one else is trustworthy.

JJ: Actually, unfortunately, sometimes that is true. Sometimes there’s one person in the group that is reliable. Sometimes it is a glamour and sometimes it’s just the way it is. But oftentimes the person uses that as a control mechanism so he can draw attention to his importance. So when it is drawing attention to his importance, then it’s a glamour.

Audience: is that #3 of the three glamours?

JJ: What’s your name again? Jon? Jon, mentioned narcissistic.

Audience: is that the third one, narcissism, superiority complex?

JJ: Yeah, superiority complex is a big one. False humility is another subtle one. There are a lot of subtle glamours people use to get control and to draw attention to themselves. They are very subtle. It draws attention to themselves, but in their mind they think they are being humble. Like the glamour of false humility. I was just talking about this to somebody today about how some say, “I could never be as good as you, you are so far above me, I could never be as good as you are.” But as a rule they are really thinking, “I am as good as you. I’m just pretending that I’m not.” Sometimes people will have a false humility that really just draws attention to themselves.

JJ: What’s a real conspicuous glamour?

Audience: Fame and popularity

JJ: Well it depends, you know a person can be a quarterback and have no glamours. The person that has no glamours is looking at his position correctly. A quarterback with no glamour will think, “Well, a quarterback is an important position. That’s true. And I better play it right because if I don’t I’m going to screw up the game for everybody.” That’s not being glamorous. If a quarterback has a glamour he’ll start using “I” a lot, like the game is revolving around him.

Audience: Like: I am the best, I’m the most…

JJ: Yeah, “You better do what I say, or you better cooperate with me,” like he’s the game, as if the other players don’t mean anything. Then that’s a glamour. When a person has an important position it is really easy to manifest glamours at that point.

The glamour where the ego is exalted must be overcome to pass the second initiation.

“Only those who can clearly differentiate between the two aspects of their nature, the real self and the illusory self, can work intelligently.” DK, Treatise on White Magic, Page 53

Dec 11, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 9

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 9
The Second Initiation

What’s the main focus to be mastered by a second degree initiate? You master the emotions. Mastering the physical reality is difficult enough. Mastering the emotions is more difficult. DK says it’s one of the most difficult initiations. Emotions have a powerful effect on us all. We can see it’s easier for some people to go on a fast for a week than it is to control the emotions. To control the emotions is extremely difficult and takes quite a lot of effort.

Keep this in mind. In between initiations, when you move from a first to a second degree, like Kennedy (mentioned earlier), you’ll have a residual effect on certain areas of your life. So it’s difficult to tell if he’s a second degree initiate because he looks like he loses control in some ways. It’s a little like graduating from Algebra I to Algebra II. Did anyone here take Algebra II? When you finished Algebra I did you know everything in the book? In my situation I didn’t know it all. When you move to Algebra II, even if you didn’t learn everything in the book, you have the basics down. You have the basics understood enough that you can fill in the blanks in Algebra II. This is how it is with initiations. You don’t need to achieve perfection. You have to achieve relative mastery so that between you and your soul you’ll feel like you can handle any situation that arises in the physical reality or emotional reality. There will be residual learning from the first initiation to do as you’re moving on to the second.

So the main point of attack to learn in the second initiation is to master the emotions. How do you go about mastering the emotions?

Audience: Think things through before reacting?

JJ: Right. Remember the idea, before you get angry, count to three? That’s a simple mental exercise. As we first begin to master the emotions we make numerous mistakes. The emotions lead us into experiences. There’s a reason for these emotions and a reason why we live through a period where we live by their influences. The emotions lead us into experience. They lead us into place we would never go if we were thinking right. They lead us into marriages that are a disaster. We get into marriages then think, “If I had been thinking correctly I never would’ve married this person. What led me into this? Why did I pick this person?” Your emotions led you there.

Maybe you’re a female and you go to a bar and meet a redneck guy. He’s totally different and more exciting than anyone you’ve met before. You fall in love and marry him after one week then find out he’s not for you at all. You open yourself up to a lot of energy in that person. An interesting thing about this is that you can fall in love with anybody. People think you can only fall in love with a certain person. The reason they think this is that they only allow themselves to open up to certain people. But if you open up to anyone and they open up to you there will be a flow of soul energy between the two of you and you can fall in love.

What prevents this is barriers between the two. If you look at someone and they aren’t good enough looking for you you’re not going to open up to that person. If one of you doesn’t open up there will not be the flow and it’s impossible for both to fall in love. When you say that other person isn’t smart enough, not educated enough, not in your standard of living you put up barriers.

Audience: JJ: you and Artie had the experience of opening up together but you didn’t purposely do it.

JJ: Actually, I’m pretty open to everything. (Laugher)

Audience: Does that concern you Artie? (Laughter)

Audience: Could it be that the souls have already decided?

JJ: Both of us were in relationships that we were both closing down at the same time. This caused us to be somewhat open. But before that happened I was having difficulty with my wife as she wasn’t supporting me in trying to create a group. A message came to me saying, “Don’t worry. If you wife doesn’t support you Artie will help you.” That made me open up to Artie quite a bit. I told a friend about it making her promise not to tell my wife and she went and told my wife immediately. (Laughter)

My wife started yelling, “What’s this about Artie?” I said, “I can’t control what messages I get. I got a message saying Artie would support me.” So my wife started being real supportive for about three more months than lost interest again. Then when we were at an end point with our spouses I sat next to Artie and all of a sudden the electricity began.

I didn’t tell Artie at the time about the message I received. I only told a friend who spilled her guts. We got sidetracked there. Where were we? The second initiation.

The emotions are very difficult to master and in connection with the emotions is a principle called glamour. In connection with physical reality was a principle called maya. Maya is the pull of matter itself. Have you ever watched someone of the opposite sex walk by and pull people their way? That’s the pull of matter. That’s what you need to master in mastering the physical reality. Not to negate it or pretend it’s not there, but master it so you’re not adversely effected by it or you’re not destroying relationships or trust with other people.

DK makes an interesting statement which is important for people along the path. He says when a person goes along the path he pretty much leaves religion behind and governs himself. The tendency of many would be initiates governing themselves is they tend to go a little crazy for awhile because they don’t have anyone telling them what to do so they do what they want. Oftentimes they indulge themselves too much. The advice DK gives is that the true initiate will never lower the standard of the humanity of which he is a part. He will always seek to raise the standard and not lower it. I’ve seen many people in my life become interested in the spiritual path. Many of them start lowering their sights when they enter the path. They think they can have a free for all, love fest sort of thing or share other people’s wives, get into drugs etc. They come up with all sorts of ideas that actually lower the standards rather than raising the standards up. This is a process a lot of people go through. It’s a little like a kid who is raised by strict parents then goes off to college. Oftentimes the kid will go crazy and parties and drinks every night and makes up for lost time.

Audience: JJ:, I have a bit of trouble with the standards thing. Being a former LDS I had strict standards I was expected to live by and I was immune. You say keep the standards high and my voice in my head is saying every time I take a drink of wine or wear sleeveless clothes or do things like that I have lowered my standards. My mother quite often tells me it’s an LDS thing.

JJ: You have to look at what’s really a standard of spiritual living. Wearing sleeveless clothes is not a lowering of any spiritual standard. Some might think it is but what is a true spiritual standard and what the churches think is a spiritual standard are often two different things.

Audience: So how do you determine that?

JJ: By the principle of harmfulness. If you’re creating harm, then you’re lowering the standard. If you are doing something harmless, like drinking a glass of wine a day, then you need not concern yourself. Research has shown that moderate amounts of wine are actually beneficial to your heart, so how is that hurting anyone? If you’re wearing attractive clothes, how does that hurt anyone? It doesn’t but if you see you neighbor’s wife and say, “I want her and if we do it in secret it’s not going to hurt anybody.” Then you are creating harm because you’re diverting her attention away from her spouse. In this way you are lowering the standard. But many people, like aspirants, might think anything goes as long as nobody knows about it. They might think no one will get hurt, and many times they do some very harmful things. For instance, I talked to a guy who organized a spiritual group one time. He was an older guy, but had done this when he was younger. He said the group was really great.

They had soul contact and everyone had a really good feeling about it. Then they started sharing each other’s wives. He said it just exploded and everyone hated each other by the time it was over. No one thought this was harmful at all yet it did create harm. That’s an important principle like DK says. It’s sort of an obvious thing that isn’t obvious to a lot of people. He says that the true disciple does not lower the standards of humanity. The disciple will support the good standards that they have and seek to raise them higher.

“We are entering upon a course of study wherein the entire tendency will be to throw the student back upon himself, and thus upon that larger self which has only, in most cases, made its presence felt at rare and highly emotional intervals. When the self is known and not simply felt and, when the realisation is mental as well as sensory, then truly can the aspirant be prepared for initiation.” DK, A Treatise on White Magic, Page 53

Dec 10, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 8

April 9, 2021April 9, 2021 Joseph Dewey

Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 8
The First Initiation

Before a person becomes an initiate, when he first begins his evolution as a human being, he becomes a self conscious entity. All he really understands is that “I am.” “I am me” is the feeling he gets when he first becomes self conscious. As he evolves he unites the various pieces of the lower kingdoms and becomes what he is now in connection with the higher parts of himself, but he basically begins in a very savage state. He’s very physical and hasn’t yet developed his emotional body. He doesn’t understand romantic love or tenderness or things like that. We all started our evolution chasing wild animals and fighting other tribes. This period of physical polarization of our mindset lasted for many lifetimes. For some of us it started on other spheres than this earth.

We spent hundreds of different lifetimes slowly learning by trial and error. Then by gradually learning what works and what doesn’t work, we began to develop emotions. Slowly, as the emotions begin to sink into us, we realized that the feeling nature is important. We began to develop permanent relationships with mates. In the beginning we didn’t even have permanent relationships with our mate. It was a relationship appropriate for soul purposes more like the animals have today to a large degree.

As we develop, we fine tune our emotional self so that we learn to fall in love, we learn to be attached to possessions, we learn how to want to have things and basically we learn how to be selfish; consciously selfish in many ways. The love we develop says: if I love someone I want to possess them. Then we get to a point where we think, “This selfishness no longer satisfies. There must be something higher.”

When the pilgrim reaches that point when he thinks there has to be something greater than this, at that point he becomes an aspirant. He is not an initiate yet. He begins to aspire to spiritual things, to something higher. Many of the new age people of the world are aspirants. They’ve been stimulated and they know something is out there but there not sure what it is, but they’re aspiring. The person aspires for a number of lifetimes until he has an experience that brings him to the doorway of the first initiation. Does anyone remember what the name of the first initiation is? The birth of Christ in the heart is the first initiation.

This is represented a little in the born again experience. The person who has the true born again experience becomes the first degree initiate. But not everyone who says they’re born again is truly born again. Billy Graham and these people have these crusades where they say, “If you accept Jesus in your heart, walk forward and be saved.” They’ll have tears in their eyes and be crying and think they’re born again. Some people may be born again through this but usually it’s not through an experience like that. It can be but it’s an experience where they contact the Christ, the soul, for the first time. The soul principle is the same thing as the Christ principle. The contact is the birth, the linking your consciousness with soul contact for the first time. You have a birth of that energy. You touch bases with the Christ within for the first time and you really know you’ve touched something. You know you want to get closer to this. After this happens for the first time you don’t know where it’s going to lead but you’ve experienced a new birth and you follow it. Then you become a first degree initiate.

So what sets apart the first degree initiate above the aspirant? The aspirant is aspiring to something higher and he does this through common sense. He uses the mind to eliminate things. “This can’t be right or this church couldn’t be the highest thing in the universe and maybe there’s something else besides the Bible. I’ve read the Bible and it doesn’t answer all my questions. There must be more.” This is the aspirant. The first degree initiate gets a revelation from the soul, a contact from the soul. Then he knows within, he knows beyond any doubt that there is a God contacted within. He knows something is there and he wants to follow it wherever it goes. He commits himself. If he gets that contact, but ignores it then he loses his initiation for that lifetime. He’ll get another chance in a future lifetime. This happens to many people.

Many people, after getting their first contact, think it must be their imagination. They’re feeling a little strange about having an experience with God and decide that direction isn’t where they want to go. He fears his friends and family may think he’s crazy so he disregards it. Sooner or later though, we’re touched by that soul contact and we make a definite decision that we like it. “I like this a lot and I’m not going to let it go. I’m going to follow it wherever it leads.”

When he commits himself he truly fulfills the scripture that talks about as being born again. When you’re born again: you cut off the old man and put on the new man. You develop a whole new attitude where now your life is centered on the spirit instead of personality and the things of the world. You become a first degree initiate. That’s the purpose of ‘you must be born again’ or’ the person entering into the kingdom of heaven.’ You must begin your initiations in order to enter the kingdom of God. The average person who you meet on the street is not an initiate.

Audience: So the average person is not an initiate at all?

JJ: The average person who says he is a Christian is not an initiate. However there are a handful of people who believe they are born again who are truly born again. The initiates are found everywhere. They’re scattered within every organization. Even many of the churches that seem like kindergarten to us have a handful of initiates in them. They’re there to prod everyone else along. They’re usually not in leadership positions. Sometimes they will be, but oftentimes they’ll be just one of the group. They’ll be on the sidelines stimulating people.

Audience: So the primal man has gone beyond that and into this?

JJ: The initiate has gone beyond tribal living, beyond just being interested in making a living. He’s beyond that. The first degree initiate has made a soul contact, a spiritual contact so he knows there are things beyond this world. He’s not sure what God is. He was sure before initiation what God was because God was what his preacher told him.

Audience: So the aspirant is higher than this guy?

JJ: No, the initiate is higher than the aspirant. The aspirant aspires to be an initiate.

Audience: So he’s a little above the primal guy?

JJ: Yep, he’s the average man on the street.

Audience: So the aspirant is sort of the forerunner to being a first initiate?

JJ: Yes, he’s aspiring to go higher. What he’s really aspiring for is to be an initiate.

Audience: So I don’t read that much. You guys are way ahead of me.

JJ: No problem. There are a number of people just like you who haven’t read much of Alice A Bailey. So the first initiation is the birth of the Christ in the heart. If you realize the Christ is more than just an individual out there, even more than the one who lived in Nazareth and occupied the position of the Christ and exemplified the Christ energy and the Christ principle. But the Christ is more than that.

The Christ is the mediator between God and man. When we find that mediator within us this means that we have a true spiritual contact that is real and we understand for probably the first time in all of our lifetimes that there is something higher. We thought there was something higher when we were an aspirant and we were looking for it. Now we have found something. But we haven’t found it all. We’ve just found the very beginning.

Audience: Knowing that there is a higher contact, knowing that there is a Christ within, believing that does not necessarily mean we have soul contact?

JJ: It’s the beginning of your soul contact. When you first make your soul contact it’s called the birth of Christ in the heart. It’s real. The contact is real and you know for sure there is something higher.

Audience: How do you know if you had it?

JJ: You will have felt it. If I feel this chair, I know the chair is there. If you fall in love with someone and really feel that love you know you have a feeling. You know that feeling is real. When the soul touches you, you know that feeling is real. You know that it is there. You know there is a lot more waiting for you. You don’t know what it is. You’re like the babe in the woods.

Christ’s life had the symbols of all the initiations. The symbol of the first initiation was the birth of Christ in the manger, in the cave so to speak. Legend says it actually took place in a cave. So in the cave of the heart is the birth of Christ or the first initiation. When it happens at first you may disregard it or talk yourself out of it. But when you’re going through it you have to acknowledge it’s a real energy you’re feeling. Then afterwards you might wonder if you really felt something or if you made it up. You can talk yourself out of it and miss out on the first initiation for the rest of your life. But, if you acknowledge to yourself that it’s real then you’re going to follow the most real thing you’ve ever found and see where it leads you.

When you begin to follow it you become unsure of a lot of things you were sure of previously. You were sure you knew exactly what God was and who Jesus was and what the Bible said, but when you become an initiate a lot of things you believed in are undone. You’re not talking about getting your source from some preacher anymore. You’re getting it from within and how it registers within between you and your soul. It’s not necessarily the same data as you’ve been fed throughout your life. You’ll get new insights on things and how things work.

Audience: Is there a typical age you might achieve this?

JJ: You mean like forty or fifty or something? No, but most of your initiations are usually achieved by the age of fifty four or so. But generally you’ll achieve most of them by the age of thirty. Sometimes in your second Saturn cycle you’ll achieve an additional initiation. We’ll talk more about the age thing later. On the first initiation you begin control of the physical body. In the first initiation you seek to master your physical world. In the second initiation you seek to master the emotional world. At the third initiation you seek to master the mind. So when you become a first degree initiate you have soul contact and you realize that you need to get the physical appetites under your control. One of the purposes of the churches is to prepare you for the first initiation through their various “commandments.”

The basic ten commandments teach physical mastery. Do not lust after your neighbor’s wife, for instance, is teachings physical mastery. Thou shalt not kill is teaching physical mastery because you don’t kill your neighbor. Thou shalt not steal. You master everything in the physical reality. Obey the Sabbath day and keep it holy. This is strict physical control giving yourself the rest you need.

It goes beyond this. Physical mastery is getting your body in basic shape so it stays relatively healthy, getting your sexual appetites under control so your sexual energy is used in a positive way rather than a negative way. Thou shall not commit adultery is the commandment that helps with this type of mastery. So, all the religions of the world are all preparing you for the first initiation. That’s why many of the aspirants of the world are in the world’s religions. Another thing they teach is to give some of your money to the church. Even though the church may misuse that money, you’re obtaining some mastery over physical reality by dedicating a certain amount of money to the church. You’re obtaining mastery over something that’s important to you.

This physical mastery doesn’t have to be perfect by the first initiation. For instance, Kennedy was an initiate but he didn’t look like he was much of a master over his sexual appetites from what we’ve learned about the guy. Sometimes there is a residual effect and it’s also based on how he was taught. JFK was taught by his father that this is the way you use women. His dad sat down and taught his kids that this was the way to go. That had a big influence over him. This type of authority that you’re taught, what’s right and wrong is not overcome completely until the third initiation. So some types of authoritative teachings that are imbedded in us remain with us up to the third initiation. It can make some people who are initiates look like they aren’t initiates because they haven’t broken out of that illusionary mode or really understood how to master themselves.

Let’s look at how Kennedy was a master in many ways. He was very ill when he was young. He had tremendous back and health problems. When World War II started he wanted to join the Allies. He volunteered for the service but they rejected him. So he did back exercises for months and was finally accepted. He disciplined himself. He had tremendous discipline in order to be accepted and serve his country. That’s a mark of an initiate to do something like that.

Then when he was in the service he had terrible pain in his back yet he ignored the pain. He negated it in order to perform his duty. When his boat was sunk, even with all the pain he was undergoing, he saved several lives by pulling people ashore. Then when they were trapped on this island in the middle of nowhere, everyone else sat around waiting to die, but he went out looking for help. He swam out as far as he could looking for help then swam back and rested. Then he swam out looking for help again. He kept trying. He was always trying to save everyone. The rest sat around twiddling their thumbs while he was initiating, trying to do something. If you study his life you’ll see his mindset about using women was probably his major flaw. It was a residual effect because of the teachings of his father that he had not yet overcome. If he had been taught correctly he probably would’ve been in mastery over his sexual energy also.

When first degree initiate understands what’s right and what’s wrong he will have power to master all the passions and appetites of the physical world to his satisfaction, to the point that he feels content with himself. He’ll feel at peace with himself and the spirit and when he achieves this, he will be a first degree initiate.

“The soul plays upon matter, forcing it to assume certain shapes, to respond to certain vibrations and to build those specified phenomenal forms which we recognise in the world of the physical plane as mineral, vegetable, animal and human,-and for the initiate certain other forms as well.” DK, A Treatise on White Magic, Page 36

Dec 9, 2003

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Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 7

April 7, 2021April 7, 2021 Joseph Dewey

The Nauvoo Gathering, 2003, Part 7
Introductions and Initiations

I’m going to turn it over to my wife, Artie, and she’s going to make some comments and introductions.

Artie: I just wanted to do a little bit more getting to know each other because a lot of us didn’t get a chance to speak with everybody. I also call it putting you on the spot. First of all since some of you did get to share what you did, I’d like you to stand up. Everybody gets to do this. Tell us what your day job is. Some of this is inspired by RoseMarie being a surgeon. I’d like to know what you’d like to do on a spiritual level if anything, if you have some goal and want to share it. Also where are you from? I’m not clear on who is from where. We’ll start with RoseMarie.

RoseMarie: I’m a surgeon. I live in Canton Michigan but I’m actually looking for another position in the country…

(Introductions were then made from the rest of the group.)

Artie: I’m JJ:’s wife. We own a sign and print shop in Boise, Idaho. We’ve been doing that for about twelve years. We enjoy it. It’s the bread and butter but it’s not really what we’d like to do. It pays the bills and I do enjoy working with the people who come in the shop. It’s a labor of love.

Backgroundwise, JJ mentioned that maybe Maryellen was an old soul. I must be a new soul because I didn’t come to any metaphysical ideals until about eighteen years ago. Do you remember when the Shirley McLane movie came out? That was my defining moment. I was lying on the couch. I was married to agnostic redneck. I was raised Southern Baptist and didn’t like church and didn’t find any answers there. I just went because mom and dad took me. I didn’t continue going to church after college. I was lying on that couch and when she talked about reincarnation it was just like that. I knew it was true. You know how you have that knowing. He looked at me like, “What is your problem?” I said, “This is true. I know it’s true.”

The next thing that happened was there was an article in our local paper written by a fellow who likes to write interesting columns about people. He mentioned there was a man in Boise who was going to be at the Holiday Inn giving a seminar on reincarnation and past life regression. I thought, “Cool, I’m going to go to that.” He mentioned that this guy had also done some handwriting analysis of members of the staff on the Idaho Statesmen. He thought this guy did a really good job which was interesting.

JJ mentioned that he had called him and woke him up. He stays up late and sleeps pretty heavy until around nine in the morning. The guy called JJ around seven in the morning asking the result of the handwriting analysis. JJ didn’t think he did a very good job since he was groggy and wasn’t too sure what he was saying. The guy thought he hit people right on and was very impressed. So he mentioned this guy, JJ Dewey, did this handwriting analysis and mentioned some of the highlights in the article. He also mentioned he’d be at the Holiday Inn giving this seminar so I thought I’d go. So I did.

There were quite a few people there. It was just the right time. There are windows of opportunity in our lives and this was a window. So I went to that and thought it really made sense. I went up to him and asked if he had any classes. So I started going to classes. He had several. Astrology, handwriting analysis and spiritual experiences and things like that. One of the things mentioned in the book was that I got into a handwriting analysis class with him. I was one of the last people he addressed. He almost forgot me. He said, “Did I forget anybody?” I said, “Yeah, you didn’t get to mine.”

So he looked at it and told me I was intelligent and stuff but unbeknownst to me at the time, he was thinking that this gal was exactly the kind of gal I had been looking for. He was married to someone, else as was I. He wasn’t looking at the time. (Laughter) But if he was looking, it was for a similar handwriting. Now he criticizes my handwriting all the time. He says, “I can’t read your handwriting.” At the time he thought it was fine. (more laughter)

I went to his home for around a year. He had a group there. I think it was called a Synthesis Group. So I was going to his home about twice a week. My husband at the time was supportive and let me go, but he certainly wasn’t interested in participating. We were getting to a point where that marriage wasn’t working out. I could see a wall. I was growing exponentially but he did not want to follow. He thought I was nuts, and I could understand why he thought so because one of the things JJ: mentioned was this.

Take a crystal. If you want to embellish the power of your thoughts or your dreams, tape it to your forehead when you go to sleep at night. I guess he just made that up. He thought it might be cool, but he didn’t think anybody would do it. (Laughter) So I bought some crystals. I had one that was cute. It was kind of big and every night I taped it to my forehead. Some females go to bed with curlers in their hair but I had a crystal taped to my forehead. It got too weird for my husband so he got into a separation mode.

JJ didn’t know that because we didn’t talk on a personal level at all. He and his wife were having some problems and I didn’t know that either. She didn’t come to meetings much and I didn’t get to know her well. One evening, after we concluded a session, we sat down on the couch. Here again it was a defining moment. I was sitting on one side of him and another lady from the class was sitting on the other side of him and he put his arms on the back of the couch like he was putting his arms around both of us. He wasn’t doing it a touchy feely thing. It was just like this. When he touched my shoulder something happened. There was a spark. Just like in the movies. It happened. All of sudden the heavens opened and the music was playing and I looked at him. We fell in love instantly and this was after I’d known him for a year and we were just friends. There had been no personal level or no romantic energy going on at all. We fell in love at that very moment, together, at the same time.

It turns out he had done my astrology reading when I had gone to his classes. He had mentioned that there was a time in our charts, he’d looked at my chart, my husband’s chart and was comparing something in our charts to his own. Our progressed suns were transiting or converging at this one particular time and he thought that was kind of interesting. He said, “It looks like we’re going to be working together in some capacity.” He thought maybe we’d be doing a project together or something. It turns out, in looking back, that he exact moment our progressed suns merged was when we fell in love.

Things went quickly after that. My husband and I split up and he and his wife split up. The ink was hardly dry on our divorce papers. The gal in the marriage license office was looking at my divorce papers and his and they were minutes apart and we were going to get married the next minute after that. (Laughter) She couldn’t believe it.

JJ: We registered for our marriage license the same day our divorce went through.

Artie: Yeah and I found out you had to wait three weeks after you got divorced before you could get married. Neither of us had any problems in our divorce so that worked out and we’ve been married ever since. So anyway, my goal, to make a short story long, is really to nurture him. I asked early on what I was supposed to do and I was told to nurture him. My guess it that’s my role. I’m a facilitator and nurturer. That’s what I do and I don’t try to get into the foreground or anything like that. I know my role and that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. (Laughter)

JJ: Thanks Artie. The next session is on initiations. A lot of DK’s work and writing is around the initiations and the seven rays. We’re going to cover some those. One thing I find interesting is that when some people read my teachings they say, “Well, where did you get all this?” Then sometimes people will read DK and say, “You got it all from DK.” If you read my writings and DK’s you’ll see they’re complementary but there’s also a lot of things that Alice A Bailey or Djwhal Khul, the Master who gave the info to AAB, that I don’t talk about and a lot of things in my teachings that he doesn’t talk a lot about.

If something I teach comes from something I have read I usually quote it and say where it came from unless it’s something very obvious. You can’t put quotation marks around everything you’ve ever read. If it’s something important and something profound I will usually say DK said this.

All of us are entitled to any teachings that are available universally. We’re able to go beyond that by the principle of revelation. Revelations come from a number of different ways. You can get revelations from your own soul. A master might send you a revelation through the science of impression. You can get certain revelations from a higher part of your mind that’s like a computer and processes and feeds you material, data and information. You can get a revelation from people who have passed on to the other side; maybe people who were close to you because you are in tune with them. They may see that you’re going to make a mistake and try to contact you and send you an impression. You can also get impressions from the Holy Spirit which is a great entity and principle that communicates knowledge to our soul.

The soul and the Holy Spirit are a little different. There’s the Solar Angel and the soul energy. The soul energy or soul principle is the mediator between spirit and matter or between God and man. It is the point that is talked about where land, water and air meet which is neither wet nor dry. Consider a point which is neither wet nor dry. It’s a symbol of the soul, where spirit and matter meet together there is an interplay and this produces the soul energy. The Solar Angel works through this point of soul energy. All the spiritual principles filter down through the point of soul energy, the interplay of spirit and matter. That point, the zero point, is where we must focus our attention in order to bring down revelation from higher sources.

I found Anni’s statement interesting. She said she had been reading a lot of books and they were all saying the same thing. When I was younger I would often find some new and interesting books but I find the older I get the more difficult it is to find anything new. Everybody seems to be repeating what everyone else says. I hope the teachings we are giving out here strike some chords, open some doors and produce some new thoughts, thoughts you haven’t been presented with before.

So we’re going to talk about initiation and I’ll cover some things DK has written but I’m also going to present some of the basic principles behind initiation in a little different light than what he’s done. The main thing that I say which is different that anyone has presented before is in this very simple statement. “An initiate is one who initiates.” When you think of it, it makes sense. The word ‘initiate’ means to initiate, right? Yet, in a lot of schools of thought they look at an initiate as someone who goes through some program or goes through some initiation rites or learns some certain mantras or something. He goes through some initiation rites then he’s an initiate. But a person who goes through something like that really didn’t initiate anything, did he? So does that make him a true initiate?

To be a true initiate you have to be able to initiate something or assist in initiating something. Either come up with something to initiate or find something that’s a great idea and assist in the group effort. The higher the initiate you are, the more you’re involved in the group effort. The individual effort applies more to the lower initiations and the group effort applies more to the higher initiations.

DK has outlined nine initiations that we go through. Seven of them transpire on this planet and the last two are of such a high order that they can’t be taken here. The graduate has to go to Sirius. The star system Sirius is where the higher lodge of the brotherhood is. They have to finish out the rest of their initiations there. The Christ Himself is working on His seventh initiation. When He has completed it around 1000 years from now, he will then move on to Sirius to complete the rest of His initiations.

In the far future, near the end of our evolution, DK says He will come back as the Cosmic Christ. He doesn’t really explain except He will come back and give us some kind of final teaching near the end of our evolution. It says the first shall be last and the last shall be first. So, if that principle applies, when He graduates and goes to the star system of Sirius, it’s quite possible he’ll be an amateur there. So the first will be last and the last will be first. This often happens. We graduate from one sphere and go to another and we’re just like a babe in the woods. Then we eventually work our way through and become a master on that sphere. We become the first. Then when we graduate we become the last again.

We must never be of the mindset that we have it all because we’ll eventually be among others who are much higher than us. That’s one thing I find very humbling in my spiritual contact. I’ve learned there are lives that are much more advanced than myself and make me look like a babe in the woods. It’s very humbling to experience a presence of someone you know to be a much higher life. When a person lives in the ego he does not encounter anyone who he thinks is greater than him. Have you ever met anyone who didn’t think anyone was greater than himself?

Audience: Why do you think they’re greater than you when they are of the mindset that they are not greater?

JJ: They don’t really have that mindset. One of DK’s most profound statements was, “True humility is recognizing your place upon the path and acting accordingly.” DK tells us his place upon the path is that he is a fifth degree initiate. He’s rubbed shoulders with others who are higher than him which makes him humble. So he knows there are those further along the path than we are.

Audience: So it’s a degree of knowledge? Is that what you’re saying?

JJ: Not so much a degree of knowledge but a degree of spiritual advancement and the degree of mastery. It’s a degree of mastery more than knowledge, what you have mastered. An initiate is a person who has mastered certain things. So we have seven initiations that are taken upon this planet. We’re going to talk about these seven but just barely touch on the other two. They’re so far above us that even DK doesn’t completely understand them.

The soul is the force of evolution itself and this was in the mind of St. Paul when he spoke of the “Christ in you, the hope of glory.” DK, A Treatise on White Magic, Page 35

Dec 8, 2003