Scientology and Krishnamurti
It looks like our associate who has studied Scientology has been bombarded with questions about it. I see no problem with sincere questions, but I think he has been put more on the defensive than he deserves.
Yes, Scientology has a bad reputation in some areas, but that doesn’t mean everything taught within it is not true.
The fact is this. If you study any movement that has an impact on the world you will generally find that its finest hour was the beginning period of its development. If you look at the beginnings of even the most irritating of the religions and cults you will generally find some very good motives and inspiration.
This corruption (the principle of corruption) even settles in with the most inspired works. Look at Christianity initiated by the Christ. It began as a great and holy work persecuted by the vilest of men. But then, in other times, it was the Christians who persecuted the enlightened and burned the “heretics” at the stake as a “act of faith.”
Scientology, just like other philosophies must be examined through the eyes of the soul. One must take that which registers as true and leave the rest behind.
So far when our friend quotes from the Scientology philosophy he seems to bring up some good material that has registered with his own soul. I’ve never seen him bring up and wild-eyed teachings that would lead us astray.
One point I wish to clarify is this. I did say that soul contact will basically make a person a “clear” as defined in scientology.
A clear is one who has all his engrams, or negative emotional programming removed.
One with soul contact may not have all engrams technically removed, but the effects are removed. He may feel the negative pull from an engram but he can override it through the power of the soul as if it does not exist.
Even though those with soul contact are essentially clear all who are clear by means of auditing do not have soul contact. Soul contact is merely a higher way to neutralize engrams. In fact, he who has firm soul contact is closer to L Ron Hubbard’s definition of clear than are the clears of Scientology.
For Instance, Hubbard stated that a clear, freed of the emotional interference from engrams, would be logical in most every situation. But the one with soul contact will follow the path of wisdom with greater surety than the audited clear.
One thing that Hubbard definitely discovered which has merit is the power to neutralize engrams. I have tested this out and used it positively several times.
The second thing I find of interest is that his group has done a lot of research into our past dating back millions of years through the auditing process. Now you can’t rely on everything that comes up but in looking through a fairly large number one can often find some truth.
If John has studied this aspect of Scientology I would be interested in his shedding more light on their version of the history of mankind in the universe, the earth’s role and the struggle of good and evil. I am particularly interested in the big secret that we are not supposed to know that scientologists hint at.
Here is a quote from DK about Krishnamurti
“One of the first experiments He made as He prepared for this form of activity (overshadowing) was in connection with Krishnamurti. It was only partially successful. The power used by Him was distorted and misapplied by the devotee type of which the Theosophical Society is largely composed, and the experiment was brought to an end: it served, however, a most useful purpose. As a result of the war, mankind has been disillusioned; devotion is no longer regarded as adequate or necessary to the spiritual life or its effectiveness. The war was won, not through devotion or the attachment of millions of men to some prized ideal; it was won by the simple performance of duty, and the desire to safeguard human rights. Few men were heroes, as the newspapers stupidly proclaim. They were drafted and taught to fight and had to fight. It was a group recognition of duty. When Christ again seeks to overshadow His disciples, a different reaction will be looked for. It is because of this that A.A.B. has so consistently belittled devotion and advocated spiritual independence. No devotee is independent; he is a prisoner of an idea or a person.
“When Christ comes, there will be a flowering in great activity of His type of consciousness among men; when disciples are working under the recognition of the Christ, there will then come the time when He can again move among men in a public manner; He can be publicly recognised and thus do His work on the outer levels of living as well as upon the inner. For these three events, which are connected with the inherent divinity in man, the Hierarchy is working and preparing, and it will essentially register another of the results of the successful use of the new Invocation to aid in this task of preparation.” Discipleship in the New Age, Vol 2, Pages 171-172
Our friend who has studied Scientology said he had never heard of Krishnamurti before and looked into his background and found a short biography of him.
He said: His parents named him “Krishnamurti”, which means “the image of Krishna”. May believed that he was the Christ reappearing. We have talked about many of the implications of the Reappearance, so you might find this interesting.
Jiddu Krishnamurti biography
As early as 1889 Helena Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society, had told certain of her students that the purpose of Theosophy was to prepare humanity for the coming of the Lord Maitreya, the World Teacher for the Aquarian Age. After Blavatsky’s death, Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater considered it their task to carry on this work, part of which was the preparation of a disciple who would serve as a vehicle for the Teacher when He came.
In 1909 at Adyar, India, Leadbeater discovered a boy, who had been born into an high-caste brahmin family, whose aura he judged to be completely free of selfishness. Annie Besant also met this boy and proclaimed him an incarnation of Maitreya, the messianic Buddha.
This boy was Jiddu Krishnamurti, who was then 13 years old. Adopted by Besant and Leadbeater, he received intensive training, then 10 years of schooling in England. People in many countries were informed of his future role. At the age of 27, Krishnamurti had a personal vision which convinced him that the consciousness of Maitreya was beginning to overshadow him. Theosophists throughout the world had been waiting for this development. Annie Besant traveled (1926-27) in England and the United States with her protégé Jiddu Krishnamurti, whom she announced as the new Messiah.
In 1929, following this two-year tour Krishnamurti himself rejected these claims that he was to be regarded as a World Teacher, and dissolved the World Order of the Star, a religious organization he had founded in 1911. At this point it numbered 60,000 members, managed huge sums of money, and owned tracts of land throughout the world, many designated for Krishnamurti’s future work. He was then 34 years old.
Krishnamurti also renounced his association with the Theosophical Society, declaring: “I do not want followers. My only concern is to set men absolutely, unconditionally free.” He spent the rest of his years teaching humanity how to achieve that freedom.
He retained some connection with the theosophical movement, however, and continued an active career of lecturing and writing. He finally settled in Ojai, Calif., where from 1969 he headed the Krishnamurti Foundation. His writings include Commentaries on Living (1956-60), Freedom from the Known (1969), The First and Last Freedom (1975), Life in Freedom (1986), and Think on These Things (1989).
“Keep cool and you command everybody.” Louis de Saint-Just (1767 – 1794)
Dec 18, 2004