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Finding the Truth About Charlie Kirk

November 15, 2025November 24, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Finding the Truth About Charlie Kirk

Finding the truth about the Charlie Kirk incident is a good exercise in discovery for those who seek the real truth. The problem is that there are a lot of ingredients to the whole picture, and those with different ingredients in their brains will come to different conclusions. The need therefore is to break the whole down to its parts, examine them and then put together a picture to see the whole with all of us using the same parts.

Let us start by examining two points where the majority of the hard evidence lies

Point One: Evidence points to Tyler Robinson as the lone shooter.

We have video of the alleged shooter escaping from the roof with what appears to be a rifle. Evidence is pretty conclusive that this was Tyler Robinson. They found a spent 30.06 shell casing on the roof with his matching DNA on it. He also left a screwdriver on the roof that had his DNA on it. As he was leaving the roof, he left palm prints containing his DNA. After jumping off the roof he left a footprint at the drop site matching his Converse sneakers. The shooter fled into the woods where they found the 30.06 rifle with his DNA on the trigger.

In addition, Robinson texted his romantic partner before the shooting, confessing: “I am [the shooter], I’m sorry,” and directing them to a note under his keyboard reading, “I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I’m going to take it.” In a Discord group chat, an account linked to him stated: “It was me at UVU yesterday. im sorry for all of this. im surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments.” Messages to his roommate discussed retrieving the rifle from a drop point, leaving it in a bush wrapped in a towel, and engraving bullets—mirroring the recovered evidence.

Point Two: Evidence from the bullet.

Fortunately, there are numerous recordings of the bullet being shot.

Turning Point had a live stream recording of the event.

Then there were numerous recordings from smart phones and body cameras from the 3,000-person crowd.

Finally, there were nearby campus security microphones.

These were timestamped to 12:23:30 p.m. MDT, syncing with surveillance footage of Robinson in a prone firing position on the Losee Center rooftop.

Here is an analysis of the recorded sound by audio forensics expert Rob Maher reported by CNN:

“Audio captured near the podium where Charlie Kirk was speaking suggests Charlie was hit with a single supersonic gunshot.

Supersonic rounds are fired from high-powered weapons. This finding rules out the possibility that a small handgun or similar weapon which fires rounds below the speed of sound was used in the attack.

Maher says that a signature “crack” and “pop” pattern, heard in the audio recording, suggests that the single bullet was fired from a rifle. Audio forensics alone cannot confirm the weapon’s model or variant.

Maher’s analysis found that the time between the ballistic shock wave’s “crack” and muzzle blast’s successive “pop” was approximately 240 milliseconds. With that time interval and an inferred bullet speed of 800 meters per second, the firearm would have been located about 153 meters from Kirk’s podium.”

Charlie was actually 130 meters from the shooting position, but if we factor in the fact that with a 30.06 there are several different grains available for the bullets and the smaller bullets travel faster and have less impact than a larger grain. This fits right into the 130 meters distance and the fact that Charlie’s neckbone stopped the bullet.

Overall, the audio analysis does give evidence that the single bullet recorded came from over 100 meters with a high-powered rifle and not from someone close by.

There are a handful who disagree with this, but the majority opinion supports this, and coupled with the fact that an empty shell casing containing Robinson’s DNA was found on the rooftop creates pretty powerful evidence that the shot was from him on the roof.

Fortunately, a bullet was recovered from a vertebra in Charlie’s neck. Though there is much speculation, there is no authoritative statement on whether the bullet was intact or just a fragment. Unfortunately, there is a gag order which limits disclosure of detailed forensic reports, and ballistic findings, to protect trial integrity. We do not have an official analysis of the bullet and probably will not until the trial, but Grok does say this:

“The probable cause affidavit (filed September 12, 2025, in Utah’s 4th District Court) and charging documents detail the recovery of a deformed .30-06 projectile from Kirk’s body, matching the caliber of the spent casing (with Robinson’s DNA) and the rifle (also with his DNA on the trigger). During a September 16, 2025, press conference, Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray referenced the rifle as “the one that killed Kirk,” implying forensic confirmation without elaborating on rifling.”

Now let us examine a number of reasons put forward that cause many to believe that what appeared to have happened did not happen and that there was some sort of conspiracy involved.

The most common thing put forward is the belief that a 30.06 would have almost blown Charlie’s head off. They say a 30.06 bullet would have gone clean through and exited the body. Therefore, he must have been shot by a smaller caliber weapon, possibly from someone close by. If this were true then placing Robinson on the roof, the empty shell, the text messages would have had to all be set up as a decoy. This seems pretty unbelievable as it would mean Robinson would have volunteered to be charged with first degree murder to make it work.

Those making this assertion assume that the bullet used was a standard full metal jacket containing 150-220 grains. This bullet made for big game would indeed in most instances enter and exit most humans and animals. However, The Berger VLD design, popular in Utah, incorporates a sharp polymer tipped nose that allows the bullet to penetrate 2″ to 3″ before it starts to expand. After the initial expansion, the bullet will shed between 40% to 95% of its weight as shrapnel into the surrounding tissue and dump 100% of its energy after penetrating two to three inches. There is often no exit wound with this bullet.

Another hunting 30.06 bullet by Federal Power-Shok features the 150-grain Jacketed Soft Point bullet, which uses the Speer Hot-Cor process. This design can be described as a “soft lead” bullet fragments and go down to about 50 grains which rarely exit a deer.

Martin Luther King Jr was shot in the lower right cheek with a soft point 30.06 thought to be 150 grains and did not exit, but fragments were found in his left shoulder blade.

Even in war, using a gun like Robinson used (from WWI era) and standard full metal jacket, bullets in around 10% of the cases will fragment and not exit the body.

Numerous people online are reporting that they have shot game in the neck with a 30.06 and the bullet did not exit, but usually do not describe the type of 30.06 bullet they use.

In addition, we do not know whether Tyler used a new bullet, an old one or a reloaded one. If it was reloaded, he could have put in a smaller-than-normal load which would have reduced the impact damage.

If it was an old one from his grandfather’s stash, then the gunpowder could have been degraded and lost a lot of its potency.

The mystery of the bullet will most likely be solved at the trial as the remaining two will be easy to identify.

Consider this: If Charlie was shot by something besides a 30.06, then the bullet had to have been fired by someone besides Tyler Robinson. Yet the spent 30.06 shell casing tells us with great certainty that a 30.06 was fired at that time. To make this theory work the conspirators would have had to arrange it for Tyler to leave an empty shell casing on the roof while another shooter actually did the job. Tyler would have also had to voluntarily put himself in a situation that would make him the prime suspect for first degree murder when he was innocent. This makes absolutely no sense.

On top of this, there is little evidence for a shooter other than Robinson and it is provable that Robinson was definitely on the Losee Center rooftop and he left an empty fired 30.06 shell behind.

Many are accusing Israel as being behind the murder. They think that perhaps this was the work of Israel intelligence, Mossad. The evidence cited is that it is claimed that Charlie, who had been a big supporter of Israel, had expressed some criticism and had upset doners. Besides, Candace Owens says that there were 12 Israeli cell phones among the 3000 attending the event. Netanyahu is also accused of being secretly angry at Charlie while pretending friendship.

The 12 cell phones are not evidence of conspiracy in my book. Mormonism draws many international people to their schools, and among 3000 people there were probably over 12 cell phones from several nations, such as England, Germany, Brazil and others.

Because the evidence is strong that Tyler is the shooter, any influence from Israel or any other nation would have had to have been directed toward him. Currently, there is not a shred of evidence that Robinson was influenced by Israel. We do know he was very pro toward the LGBTQ community, and most of them are very critical of Israel and sympathetic toward Hamas. Tyler hated Kirk and if some Israeli agent approached him to assist, he would have most likely told then to go jump in a lake – that he would proceed without their help.

It is possible that Mossad, the CIA or some underground groups had agents penetrate his inner circle and cheer him on or assist him in the act. In addition, there are accusations that the FBI, and even the Mormon church were involved without revealing who they represent, but so far there is no hard evidence of any of this.

Another accusation is that the murder was an inside job. The idea presented is that there are those within Turning Point who were either jealous or disagreed with Charlie or were just power seekers who wanted him out of the way.

Leading the charge is Candace Owens who is quite accusatory in this direction, sounding quite convinced it is true with very little real evidence.

She herself seems convinced that there was foul play within the organization, saying on YouTube Episode 259: “It reeks of an inside job.”

Then, in an Oct 27 podcast she declared this:

“Everything turning point is doing is wrong

and you know it’s wrong. You know it’s wrong deep down. I wanna say this, ’cause there has been a lot of reading in between the lines. It’s strange to me. I think I’m a very direct person and I say what I mean and I do not want people to mistake what’s happening right now or to wrongly assume my attention here.

“So allow me to be very explicit. Okay, I want war with all of you. Okay, all of you.”

So, she sees herself “at war” with “all” of Turning Point. That would especially include Erika Kirk since she is now in charge. This has led Candace to make these comments:

“There’s two things happening here. There are there’s a widow and then there is the chairman and the CEO… And she has assumed that role. OK, so criticism is pertaining to anything at Turning Point USA that are being directed at Erica are fair. Yeah, I’m putting the fire here right at the feet of Turning Point.” YouTube Episode 257

And here she assumes the purpose of this inside job was to install “a new ruler”:

“But I’m starting to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something akin to a wretched side, right? The assassination of a king to install a new ruler who the king would have never approved of.” Podcast # 245 Sept 30, 2025

She’s made numerous other accusatory remarks toward Erika and Turning Point such as:

“I believe that people within that company betrayed Charlie… I don’t believe that he (Robinson) was the lone person involved. I don’t even think he’s a person that killed Charlie Kirk.” YouTube Episode 240

“It reeks of an inside job. That is how I feel. And the more that we learn about the story, the little changes that happen, the inexplicable things that we’re learning, it becomes clearer and clearer that somehow at some layer, at some stage, Turning Point USA is involved because they’re giving us no clarity… It’s looking to me like the apparent plan was to assassinate Charlie Kirk, who had at long last faltered on the pro-Israel cause. OK, his words, not mine. And then to stage a hostile takeover of his brand and of his legacy.” YouTube Episode 259

Candace makes strong accusations toward a number of Turning Point leaders but particularly picks on Mikey McCoy. Right after the shot, he made a phone call to Erika and his father instead of rushing toward Charlie to help. This may be a somewhat odd response, but it is certainly not enough to conclude some kind of guilt here.

There were a number of other things in the media that fed into conspiracy theories. One that aroused my suspicions was a report from neighbors of a mysterious number of cars parked in front of Tyler’s apartment shortly before the shooting with out-of-the-area license plates.

However, this report turned out to be something that someone fabricated and circulated on social media. Investigators can find no neighbor who reports seeing any unusual number of visiting cars.

Another story that seems odd, even to those who are not into conspiracy, is that it was reported that Fourth District Court Judge Tony Graf, appointed by Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, issued a broad gag order on September 29 that was supposed to affect all 3000 attendees. Some even took it to mean that even those not in attendance would be restricted in speech.

This gag order, though, was not as universal as some in the media were claiming, as it does not apply to all 3,000+ attendees. Instead, it targets “known witnesses” as they are identified and subpoenaed for trial, preliminary hearings, or evidentiary proceedings.

This gag order is unusual, but is no proof of a conspiracy, as lately it seems we read regularly of a judge making some unusual decree or overstepping normal legal authority.

The most logical thought that fuels conspiracy theories is that Tyler did not act completely of his own initiative – that he was either cheered on or assisted by someone.

Robinson was active in at least two group chats: one with friends (20+ members) focused on gaming and casual banter, and another smaller one with his roommate, Lance Twiggs.

There is no evidence of planning in either group but there was probably some reinforcement of some of his extreme views. Just before the shooting he did express his intent to take out Charlie to his friend Lance.

If he was secretly influenced by Turning Point or government insiders, this was very successfully kept under the radar.

One of the strangest anomalies of the event was created by a 71-year-old with a history of minor mental health issues, including episodes of delusional behavior.

Right after the shooting, George Zinn stood up yelling “Shoot me!” and repeatedly claimed to police, “I did it—I shot the fascist!” while gesturing wildly toward the stage. Officers subdued him without resistance and took him into custody for questioning. He was quickly ruled by police as unstable, but not the shooter, and wound up being charged with felony obstruction of justice and facing five years in prison.

Investigators and conspiracy theorists suspect he may have been an accomplice of some kind, creating a distraction so the killer could escape, but no hard evidence points in this direction. Most have ruled him out as a crazy guy overreacting.

There are numerous other instances cited that stir belief in a conspiracy but none raise enough of a red flag with me to consider them more than curiosities.All the conspiracies out there from the moon landing in 1969 to flat earth theories have a large number of points made that seem to support them. An interesting one is the claim that Paul McCartney died in a car crash in 1966 and was replaced by a look alike. This seems pretty outrageous but what is amazing is the number of anomalies that seem to support it. Just go to YouTube and search for “Paul McCartney Died in 1966: Here’s the Proof”.

Watch a couple of these and you’ll almost believe that the Paul McCartney we have been seeing for a generation is not the real guy, but if we fall back on the reasoning mind we see the chances of this being true are very small.

In my estimation, there is one real possibility that remains uncovered and that is this: Did Robinson have any associates or contacts who helped him concoct a plan? Does his romantic partner, Lance Twiggs, know more than he let on?

I cannot find any solid evidence of involvement of a foreign government or the Deep State, but there is a possibility that he had a small inner circle who helped him plan the crime and cheered him on.

That said, I’ll end this by giving readers my estimate of the probability of the various assumptions of this case.

[1] The lone shooter was Tyler Robinson – 95% surety.

[2] There was only one shot fired. – 99%

[3] The weapon used was the grandfather’s 30.06. – 95%

[4] Robinson acted completely alone of his own initiative, though he had external influences as have we all. – 50%

[5] He received direct assistance and encouragement from others or could have been groomed by some source. – 50%

[6] Conspirators from Turning Point provided assistance for the crime. – 10%

[7] Tyler was not the shooter and Zionists or Mossad orchestrated the whole thing. – 2%

[8] Tyler was not the shooter and Zionists or Mossad bore some responsibility for the crime. – 5%

[9] Tyler was not the shooter and the FBI, CIA or Deep State were involved and partly or fully responsible. – 5%

[10] Tyler was influenced in a negative way from various online sources, friends and the media – 100%

On giving this conclusion do not assume that I go along with the establishment on every incident where conspiracy theories surface. For instance, I think there was a conspiracy around the JFK murder and am very skeptical of the orthodox story around the Trump assassination attempt in Butler Pennsylvania – and I wouldn’t be surprised if we had little or no gold at Fort Knox.

But when one looks at this incident logically, using the known facts, as presented, the evidence is pretty strong that Tyler Robinson was the lone shooter.

It will not be long before the trial and though I suspect that conspiracy theories will linger afterwards, we should discover some solid key information that will put at least some of the speculation to rest.

My guess is that the principle of Occam’s Razor will play out which states: “The simplest explanation is usually the best one.”

Note the word “usually.” There’s always the chance that Paul McCartney was really replaced and that Tyler Robinson was not the shooter.

Nov 15, 2025

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The Dark Brotherhood

November 4, 2025 Joseph Dewey

The Dark Brotherhood

DK talks a lot about the dark brothers. The beginning reader will immediately get the idea that these are a bunch of bad dudes to be avoided, kind of like the Christian has toward evil demons, but to get a more complete picture one needs to delve fairly deeply into the writings.

To put it concisely, the dark brother is one who has consciously chosen the left-hand path while the brother of light has chosen the path of the right hand.

The path on the left leads away from the soul and spirit to eventual destruction of the personality self and the path on the right leads toward soul and Spirit which takes us back to our Source, sometimes referred to as the “Father’s House.”

This may seem like a clear demarcation, but identifying the agents of the two is nothing like in the movies where the identity of saints and demons is obvious. DK makes this point:

“The Hierarchy, animated by love and that of the opposite pole, the Black Lodge, working entirely through mind and substance — are engaged and their close relationship will emerge. You will realise then that the margin of difference is very slight and is to be found solely in intention, in the underlying purpose and the concrete objectives which this group of material workers have set themselves.” Destiny of the Nations, Pages 36-37

The key statement here is that “the margin of difference is very slight and is to be found solely in intention.”

He also says this:

“The Great White Lodge, our spiritual Hierarchy, and the Black Lodge employ the same universal energies but with different motives and objectives; both groups are groups of trained esotericists.” Education in the New Age, Page 61

Many of the energies and powers used by the two brotherhoods are the same but the intention behind its direction of use makes all the difference. Take money, for instance. One can use it to feed the poor or to blow up a building containing innocent people. The intent of the user makes all the difference.

The problem is that the dark brother hides his intent and presents himself agent of light similarly to that noted by Paul: “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” II Cor 11:14

DK says something similar here: “Oft too the Dark Brother masquerades as an agent of the light, oft he poses as a messenger of the gods.” Letters on Occult Meditation, Page 136

This makes it very difficult for the rank and file to tell the difference between the two agents for often they “call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Isaiah 5:20

One of the main things that causes confusion is that the dark brothers are capable of many of the miracles often attributed to the brotherhood of light. He says this:

“Supernormal powers are, of themselves, no evidence of divinity at all. Great exponents of evil can perform the same miracles and demonstrate the same capacity to create and to transcend the normal faculties of man. These powers are inherent in the creative aspect of Divinity, the third or matter aspect, and are linked to an intelligent understanding of matter and to the power of the mind to dominate substance. This power is, therefore, neither divine nor non-divine. It is a demonstration of the capacity of the mind, and can be used with equal facility by an incarnated Son of God, functioning as a World Saviour or Christ, and by those Beings who are on the path of destruction.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 2, Page 60

We can see this at work in certain ministers and gurus whose adherents claim that they work miracles, especially in healing, yet stories surface of how they sexually abuse men, women and children or spend donated money on a lavish lifestyle.

Since the dark side often successfully presents itself as benefactors of humanity and portrays those working on the side of light and love as evil, or just plain insane, it would be wise of us examine the esoteric writings so we can discern which is which. After all, did not the Master say “that there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matt 24:24

The Dark Brothers then present themselves as agents of light and average people have difficulty seeing through them. We must keep in mind that DK tells us that the fundamental difference lies in their “motives and objectives” which differ widely from the spiritual hierarchy.

DK summarizes how deceptively the Dark Brothers work in this quote: “They endeavour to preserve that which is familiar and old, to counteract the effects of the oncoming culture and civilisation, to bring blindness to the peoples and to feed steadily the existing fires of hate, of separateness, of criticism and of cruelty. These forces, as far as the intelligent peoples of the world are concerned, work insidiously and cloak their effort in fair words, leading even disciples to express hatred of persons and ideologies, fostering the hidden seeds of hatred found in many human beings. They fan to fury the fear and hate of the world in an effort to preserve that which is old and make the unknown appear undesirable, and they hold back the forces of evolution and of progress for their own ends.” Externalization of the Hierarchy, Page 75

A key statement that applies to the political conflict of the day lies in these words: they “cloak their effort in fair words, leading even disciples to express hatred of persons and ideologies, fostering the hidden seeds of hatred found in many human beings.”

Their power of deception is so great that even disciples will enter the political debate in a negative way and “express hatred of persons and ideologies.”

Indeed, we see that happening on the news each evening with what we assume are average people, but DK tells us that even disciples (or the elect) are deceived into supporting the negative energy. The dark ones seek “to cloud the issues involved to such a degree that the men of goodwill everywhere will be bewildered and will fail to see the clear outlines of the factual situation or distinguish between what is true and what is false. Forget not, the forces of evil are exceedingly clever.” Externalization of the Hierarchy, Page 452

Here are some of the other differences between the brothers of the light and dark:

The Dark brother is “animated by the life and purpose which distinguished the evolution of the first solar system… therefore, identification with that which is past, retrogression and the methods of the old” are the focus of his attention. TCF, Page 622

On the other hand, the spiritual hierarchy’s main goal is to move forward and manifest the goal of this solar system and “is working entirely with the soul or the consciousness aspect, and in this group the doctrine of the heart and the law of love control.” Destiny of the Nations, Page 107

This difference is illustrated on one hand by “a humanity which is oriented towards the higher spiritual and altruistic values and whose keynotes are sacrifice, group good and world understanding, and those whose focus is predominantly material and whose aims are selfish, animated by ambition and the spirit of acquisition.” Externalization of the Hierarchy, Page 126

The focus of the dark brother is on the desire/feeling nature from the astral plane:

“The Black Lodge or the planetary centre of evil works almost entirely upon the astral plane, and is impressed directly and guided in detail from the cosmic astral plane.” Externalization of the Hierarchy, Page 689 Though “They have achieved mind, and need love.” TCF, Page 1125 they seek to control humanity through their desire nature.

The plane of the upper mind and higher is the main focus of the spiritual hierarchy though they do seek to influence our feeling nature with love in a positive direction. They seek to stimulate “the aspiration and the will-to-serve from the plane of the emotions to that of the mind (the plane whereon the Masters can be found)” Introduction by DK

The Spiritual Hierarchy seek to enhance the freedom of humanity whereas the dark side seeks to restrict it to further their own ends:

“The major battle in the world today is that of the freedom of the average citizen to think for himself and to come to his own decisions and conclusions. It is here that the major quarrel between the Great White Lodge and the Black Lodge is to be found. It is a battle in which humanity itself is the decisive factor” Rays and Initiations, Page 679

He also tells us that there are “three modes whereby the forces of darkness seek to control humanity are hatred, aggression and separativeness. The three great spiritual counterparts are love, selfless sharing and synthesis.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 2, Page 577

The dark brothers work though deva lives of the seventh order which causes an effect of “vampirism and the devitalisation of their victims. They deal with the etheric bodies of their enemies, and by means of sounds affect deva substance, thus producing the desired results.” The Brothers of light “works through the devas of the sixth order” which works out as positive energy rather than negative. TCF, Page 668

Have you ever been in the presence of an authority figure who made you feel weakened on several levels? Many students have felt this when an authority works with the dark energy. This could be a sign that you are influenced by an agent of the Dark Brotherhood.

The Dark Brother also places focus on the material plane and the physical senses and pleasure.

“The black brother carries the evolution of the senses on to a stage inconceivable to man.” FCF, Page 1126 The dense physical body “is ever deemed occultly evil. The matter might be more simply expressed by stating that the black adept is frankly concerned with what is termed “the residue of that which earlier was.’” TCF, Page 1125

The forces of darkness create lawlessness and when the situation becomes bad enough a Master Soul will be sent. Here are the words of Krishna, who was a previous incarnation of the Christ according to DK.

“Whenever there is a withering of the law … and an uprising of lawlessness on all sides, then I manifest Myself.

“For the salvation of the righteous and the destruction of such as do evil; for the firm establishing of the law I come to birth in age after age.” The Bhagavad Gita, Quoted on Page 4 of The Reappearance of the Christ

Even though the Dark brothers have great power in the world the numbers of those solidly on the left-hand path are a lot fewer than those who find the right-hand path of liberation. But many of those on the right hand do not stay behind to assist humanity, but go on to other work.

“It is interesting also to note that it is the very rare man indeed who swings into the field of so-called black magic. This indicates, does it not, my brother, the extraordinarily triumphant work of the Great White Lodge.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 2, Page 389

Here he tells us that one has to stubbornly persist in error to become a Dark Brother:

“Anyone who over-exalts the concrete mind and permits it continuously to shut out the higher, is in danger of straying on the left-hand path. Many so stray…but come back, and then in the future avoid like errors in the same way as a child once burnt avoids the fire. It is the man who persists in spite of warning and of pain who eventually becomes a brother of darkness.” Letters on Occult Meditation, Page 134

A few pages later (Page 137) tells us there are three main things the disciple must embrace to avoid the left hand path.

First is “A realisation that purity of all the vehicles is the prime essential.”

By vehicles he means the physical body, the astral or emotional self and the mind.

Second is “The elimination of all fear.” Dark forces feed upon fear for it lowers our vibration.

The third is the disciple must stand “firm and unmoved, no matter what occurs.” This is another way of telling us to keep our minds steady in the light and to always keep our focus on the Spirit over the material world no matter what happens around us.

DK does not tell is how many dark brothers there are on this planet but he does give us this about their leaders:

“The dark forces are ruled on the physical plane by a group of six oriental leaders and six occidental leaders; of these the oriental are the most powerful because they are the oldest racially and therefore the most experienced.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 2, Page 577

He doesn’t make it clear whether these have bodies in the dense physical as do we or in etheric matter. When he says physical, he usually is referring to all seven subplanes which include four ethers invisible to most of humanity. When he speaks of physical as we see it, he usually uses the term “dense physical.”

Even though both brotherhoods appear benevolent on the surface, when the masks come off and they show their true colors the difference becomes very clear:

The dark brother considers not what suffering he may cause; he cares not what agony of mind he brings upon an opponent; he persists in his intention and desists not from the hurt of any man, woman or child, provided that in the process his own ends are furthered. Expect absolutely no mercy from those opposing the Brotherhood of Light.” Letters on Occult Meditation, Page 135

“Their particular form of selfishness is far worse than anything which you can imagine, because they are completely detached and divorced from all contact with the energy to which we give the name of love.” Rays and Initiations, Page 716

It is chilling enough to contemplate the dark brothers on this planet, but according to DK the more advanced of them move on to other solar systems:

“They can reach, in their later stages, expansions of consciousness and of power that will take them far beyond the confines of our solar system, and give them attributes and capacities which prove a menace to the unfolding of the second Aspect.” TCF, Page 1125

It appears then that even after they move on that they still “prove a menace” to us.

It then appears that these highly placed Dark Brothers are then contacted by brothers who remain here:

“By means of invocation and forms the Dark Brothers (or those who tamper with what you ignorantly term the powers of evil) tap forces connected with dark intelligences in high places. Thus they set in motion happenings on the physical plane that have their origination in the dark mysterious caves of cosmic evil as found within our solar system. Equally so, it is possible to tap the still greater forces of light and good and to make application of them on the side of evolution.” Letters on Occult Meditation, Pg 192

You’ll notice that the situation is similar on both sides. Both have advanced entities who have progressed beyond our own system and can be contacted.

Fortunately for us the dark brotherhood eventually self-destructs and the Brotherhood of light returns to their Source.

But eventually in another solar system, ages hence, even the worst of the Dark Brothers will come to their senses, seek out their true Source and return home.

More wrongs have been committed in the name of Christ than in the name of the devil. – Anonymous

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Gathering Audio 2025

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The Constitution Hanging by a Thread

October 29, 2025 Joseph Dewey

The White Horse Prophesy
The Constitution Hanging by a Thread

During these times of international stress, threats of revolution and internal threats to our country and the Constitution itself an increasing number of people are quoting from The White Horse Prophecy said to be given by Joseph Smith in May of 1843. Among other things he said:

“You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed; it will hang by a thread, and that thread as fine as the finest silk fiber.”

At this point the Prophet’s countenance became sad; because as he said, “I love the Constitution;

“It was made by the inspiration of God,

“And it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse (LDS Elders – or gathered lights) and the Red Horse (American Indians) who will combine in its defense.

…”There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese, unless great care and protection are given.

This was recorded by Edwin Rushton in a notarized statement with the following testimony:

“The words of the Prophet made a strong impression upon me. I have never forgotten them. On an occasion about two weeks later, after I first heard him speak these words, I was at a meeting where he preached a sermon, which he said would be the greatest of his life. On that occasion he reiterated the matter which I have now written, so that the subject became firmly rooted in my memory, and I know them to be true. Now, therefore, I testify that these are the inspired words spoken by the Prophet, Joseph Smith, as he stood looking up into heaven. His countenance became white and transparent; he looked as if he had as much of the Heavenly influence as he could bear and stay with the saints. His voice was powerful and his words cut like a two-edged sword.”

THE WHITE HORSE PROPHECY by Ogden Kraut, Page 25

The strange thing about this prediction is that even though it seems to have an eerie probability of coming to pass that the authorities in the church have distanced themselves from the prediction many calling it spurious. Not only that but many who quote from it are blacklisted and find their membership is in danger.

It is strange indeed that the apparent heroes of the prophesy fight against quoting that very prophesy. Perhaps the White Horse was more of a symbol of the Gathering of Lights than the church itself.

Here is a quote from the famous church Apostle Bruce R. McConkie:

“From time to time, accounts of various supposed visions, revelations, and prophecies are spread forth by and among the Latter-day Saints, who should know better than to believe or spread such false information. One of these false and deceptive documents that has cropped up again and again for over a century is the so-called White Horse Prophecy. This supposed prophecy purports to be a long and detailed account by the Prophet Joseph Smith concerning the wars, turmoils, and difficulties which should exist in the last days.” McConkie, Bruce (1966). Mormon Doctrine (2nd ed.). Bookcraft. p. 835

It is interesting that there is so much resistance to the “hanging by a thread” quote and so many doubting that Joseph actually said this because there are many testimonies available attributed to early church leaders who actually knew Joseph Smith. It appears that Joseph may have given this statement out on numerous occasions. Here are a few examples:

CONSTITUTION TO HANG BY A THREAD.

The statement has been made that the Prophet said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true. There has been some confusion, however, as to just what he said following this. I think that Elder Orson Hyde has given us a correct interpretation wherein he says that the Prophet said the Constitution would be in danger. Said Orson Hyde: “I believe he said something like this—that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he: ‘If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the elders of this Church.’ I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it.” Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.

Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, p. 326

An occasional theme among Latter-day Saints during times of political crisis has been the prediction attributed to Joseph Smith that the U.S. Constitution would one day hang by a thread and that the elders of the Church would at some critical juncture be instrumental in saving it. The source of this statement is thought to be an unpublished address titled, “A Few Items from a Discourse Delivered by Joseph Smith, July 19, 1840,” filed in the Joseph Smith Papers in the LDS Church Archives. Written neatly on 8”x12” paper, the document is obviously a copy since it shows none of the usual characteristics of an original report. The paper appears to be of post-Nauvoo vintage, and the handwriting does not correspond to that of any of Joseph Smith’s known clerks. Nor is there reference in the Prophet’s History to his having delivered a discourse on 19 July 1840. Furthermore, at two points in the text, there appears to be a serious problem of continuity, suggesting copyist’s errors or some other flaw in the manuscript. Consequently, in the absence of an original text, and without information about its origin and authorship, the reliability of this document has remained somewhat tenuous.

The Historians Corner, BYU Studies, Vol. 19, No. 3, p. 390

Even this nation will be on the verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the Constitution is on the brink of ruin this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.

Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844

How long will it be before the words of the Prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass.

Brigham Young, JD 12:204, April 8, 1868, Latter Day Prophets Speaks. Pg. 230

When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the “Mormon” elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it.

Brigham Young, JD 2:182, February 18, 1855, Latter Day Prophets Speaks. Pg. 230

When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States, the elders of Israel will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth and proclaiming liberty and equal rights to all men and extending the hand of fellowship to the oppressed of all nations. This is part of the program and as long as we do what is right and fear God He will help us and stand by us under all circumstances.

John Taylor, JD 21:8, August 31, 1879

Will the Constitution be destroyed? No: it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, “The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction.” It will be so.

Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 15, Brigham Young, July 4, 1854

The History of the Church account is an amalgamation of the reports in the Joseph Smith Diary and the Nauvoo Neighbor. The report by Levi Richards is here published for the first time. A reminiscent account of this discourse by James Burgess contains the essential details found in the other three accounts published here, and adds that the “Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread.”

In the month of May 1843. Several miles east of Nauvoo. The Nauvoo Legion was on parade and review. At the close of which Joseph Smith made some remarks upon our condition as a people and upon our future prospects contrasting our present condition with our past trials and persecutions by the hands of our enemies. Also upon the constitution and government of the United States stating that the time would come when the Constitution and Government would hang by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the Latter day Saints will step forth and save it.

General Scott and part of his staff on the American Army was present on the occasion. I James Burgess was present and testify to the above

(James Burgess Notebook, Church Archives). (Ehat & Cook, Words of Joseph Smith, 6 May 1843 Note, p. 279)

If tradition can be relied upon, Joseph Smith prophesied that the Elders of Israel would save this Nation in the hour of its extremist peril. At a time when anarchy would threaten the life of the Government, and the Constitution be hanging as by a thread, the maligned and misunderstood “Mormons”—always patriotic, and necessarily so from the very genius of their religion—would stand firm upon Freedom’s rocky ramparts, and as champions of law and order, liberty and justice, call to their aid in the same grand cause kindred spirits from every part of the nation and from every corner of the world.

Joseph Smith Papers, LDS Church Historical Archives, Box 1, March 10, 1844 Also: D. Michael Stewart, “I Have a Question,” Ensign, June 1976, 64-65

Eliza R. Snow said, “I heard the prophet say, The time will come when the government of these United States will be so nearly overthrown through its corruption, that the Constitution will hang as it were by a single hair, and the Latter-day Saints-the Elders of Israel-will step forward to its rescue and save it.”

In a Pioneer Day celebration in Ogden in 1871 – Journal History, MSF 143 #28, July 24, 1871

Jedediah M. Grant, during the dark days of threatened invasion of Utah by a federal army, referred to the Prophet’s utterance as he addressed a Mormon Battalion gathering in Salt Lake City, February 6, 1855. “What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.”

Deseret News Weekly, January 19, 1870

After reading a chapter in Ezekiel, the parable of the 12 olive trees in D&C 101:44-62, and referring to the Redemption of Zion, he said: We shall build the Zion of the Lord in peace until the servants of that Lord shall begin to lay the foundation of a great and high watch Tower and then shall they begin to say within themselves what need hath my Lord of this tower seeing this is a time of peace &c—Then the Enemy shall come as a thief in the night and scatter the servants abroad when the seed of these 12 Olive trees are scattered abroad they will wake up the Nations of the whole Earth Even this Nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the constitution is upon the brink of ruin this people will be the Staff upon which the Nation shall lean and they shall bear away the constitution away from the very verge of destruction—Then shall the Lord say go tell all my servants who are the strength of mine house my young men and middle aged &c come to the Land of my vineyard and fight the battle of the Lord—Then the Kings & Queens shall come then the rulers of the Earth shall come then shall ail saints come yea the Foreign saints shall come to fight for the Land of my vineyard for in this thing shall be their safety and they will have no power to choose but will come as a man fleeth from a sudden destruction—But before this the time shall be these who are now my friends shall become my enemies and shall seek to take my life and there are now those before me who will more furiously pursue me and the more diligently seek to my life and be more blood thirsty upon my track than ever were the Missouri Mobbers You say among yourselves as did them of old time it is I & is it I But I know these things by the visions of the Almighty.

Smith, Joseph. “Howard and Martha Coray Notebook, 19 July 1840?. The Words of Joseph Smith: The Contemporary Accounts of the Nauvoo Discourses of the Prophet Joseph. Comp. Andrew F. Ehat and Lyndon W. Cook. Orem, Utah: Grandin Book, 1991. 415-418

General Scott and part of his staff on the American Army was present on the occasion.

I James Burgess was present and testify to the above

(James Burgess Notebook, Church Archives).

Smith, Joseph. “Howard and Martha Coray Notebook, 1 July 1840?. The Words of Joseph Smith: The Contemporary Accounts of the Nauvoo Discourses of the Prophet Joseph. Comp. Andrew F. Ehat and Lyndon W. Cook. Orem, Utah: Grandin Book, 1991.Page 279

And here is the entire White Horse Prophecy:

On or about the sixth day of May, 1843, a grand review of the Nauvoo Legion was held in Nauvoo. The Prophet Joseph complimented them for their good discipline and evolutions performed. The weather being hot, he called for a glass of water.
With the glass of water in his hand, he said, “I will drink you a toast to the overthrow of the mobocrats,” which he did in language as follows: “Here’s wishing they were in the middle of the sea, in a stone canoe with iron paddles, and a shark swallow the canoe, and the Devil swallow the shark, and him locked up in the northwest corner of Hell, the key lost and a blind man hunting for it.”
The next morning a man who had heard the Prophet give the toast here referred to, visited the mansion of the Prophet, and so abused him with bad language, that he was ordered out by the Prophet.
It was while the two were out, that my attention was attracted to them, and hearing the man speaking in a loud tone of voice, I went toward them, the man finally leaving. There were then present the Prophet Joseph Smith, Theodore Turley and myself. The Prophet began talking to us of the mobbings and drivings, the persecutions we as a people had endured. “But,” said he, “We will have worse things to see; our persecutors will have all the mobbings they want. Don’t wish them any harm, for when you see their sufferings, you will shed tears for them.”
While this conversation was going on, we stood by his south wicker gate in a triangle. Turning to me, he said, “I want to tell you something. In the future I will speak in parables like unto John, the Revelator.” (Little did I then think the prophet of the Lord would so soon be slain in cold blood.)
Continuing, he said, “You will go to the Rocky Mountains, and you will see a great and mighty people established, which I will call the White Horse of Peace and Safety.”
When the Prophet said, “You will see,” I asked him where he would be at that time.” He answered, “I shall never go there.”
“Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions, and they will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse.
“But you will have a friend or two to defend you and throw out the worst part of the laws, so they will not hurt much.
“You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens, and they will not give you your rights but will govern you with strangers and commissioners;
“You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed; it will hang by a thread, and that thread as fine as the finest silk fiber.”
At this point the Prophet’s countenance became sad; because as he said, “I love the Constitution;
“It was made by the inspiration of God,
“And it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse and the Red Horse who will combine in its defense.
“The White Horse will raise an ensign on the tops of the mountains of peace and safety where all nations may flee unto for safety.
“The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals, and they will become very rich. You will find silver piled up in the streets. (At this time, it must be remembered that it was not known that the precious metals existed either in the Rocky Mountains or in California.) You will see gold shoveled up like sand.
“Gold will be but of little value even in a mercantile capacity, for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation.
”The time will come when the banks in every nation will fail, and only two places will be safe where the people can deposit their gold and treasure. These places will be with the White Horse and England’s vaults.

“A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such as has never been seen before, for the land will be literally left without a supreme government, and every species of wickedness will run rampant; it will be so terrible that father will be against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of murder and bloodshed and rapine that have ever been looked upon will take place.
“Peace will be taken from the earth, and there will be no peace only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause hundreds and thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be saints, but for safety, and because they would not take up the sword against their neighbors.
“You will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for the want of seed time and harvest, but that so many will have to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities, and there will be no escape, only by fleeing to Zion.
“Those that come to you will try and keep the laws and be one with you, for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organizations.
“The Turkish Empire or the Crescent will be one of the first powers that will be disrupted as a power, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land.

24.”The Lord took of the best blood of the nations, and planted them on the small island now called England, or Great Britain, and gave them great powers in the nations for a thousand years, and this power will continue with them, that they may keep the balance of power, that they may keep Russia from usurping power over all the world.

“England and France are now bitter enemies, but they will be allied together in order to keep Russia from conquering the world.
“The two Popes, Greek and Catholic, will come together and be united. The Protestant religions do not know how much they are indebted to Henry VIII for throwing off the Pope’s bull and establishing the Protestant faith. He was the only monarch that could do so at the time, and he did it because the nation was at his back to sustain him.
One of the peculiar features in England is the established red coat, a uniform making so remarkable a mark to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known by them some day. The Lion and the Unicorn of England is the ensign of Israel. The wisdom and statesmanship of England comes from there being so much of the blood of Israel in the nation.
“While the terrible revolution of which mention has been made is going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood. England and France will then unite together and come with intention to make peace, not to subdue the nation. They will find the nation so broken up and so many claiming government, still there will be no [23] responsible government. Then it will appear to the other nations or powers as though England had taken possession of the country.
“The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join with them, for they will have fear of becoming slaves again, knowing England does not believe in slavery, fleeing to them, they believed would make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.”
So the Prophet said he could not bear to look longer upon the scene as shown him in vision, that he asked the Lord to close the scene.
Continuing, he said: “During this time, the great White Horse will have gathered strength, sending out elders to get the honest in heart of the United States to stand by the Constitution of the United States, as it was given by inspiration of the Lord.
“In these days, God will set up a kingdom, never to be thrown down, for other kingdoms to come unto, and these kingdoms that will not let the Gospel be preached will be humbled until they will.
“England, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, and Belgium have a considerable amount of the blood of Israel among their people, which must be gathered. These nations will submit to the Kingdom of God. England will do it as a whole, in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power. The nobility know the Gospel is true, but it has not enough pomp and grandeur and influence for them to embrace it. They are proud and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God, or come unto it until they see the power which it will have.
“Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by a cord and band of the White Horse and the Red Horse.
“The coming of the Ten Tribes of Israel, the coming of the Messiah among His people, will be so natural that only those who see Him will know He has come, but He will come and give His law unto Zion and minister unto His people. This will not be His coming in the clouds of heaven to take vengeance on the world.
The Temple in Jackson County will be built in this generation. The saints will think there will not be time to build it, but with all the great help you will receive, you can put up a great temple quickly. You will have gold, silver, and precious stones, for these things only will be used for beautifying the temple, all the skilled mechanics you want, and the Ten Tribes of Israel to help you build it. When you see this land bounded with iron, you may look toward Jackson County.”
At this point he made a pause, and looking up as though the vision was still in view, he said, “There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese, unless great care and protection are given. Speaking of the heathen, where there is no law there is no condemnation; this will apply to them.
“Power will be given the White Horse to rebuke nations afar off and they will obey, not that they will be one with the White Horse, but when the law goes forth, they will obey, for the law will go forth from Zion.
“The last great struggle Zion will have to contend with will be when the whole of America will be made the Zion of God.
“Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog The nations of the world led by the Russian Czar and their power, will be great, but all opposition will be overcome, and this land will be then the Zion of our God.”

Feb 6, 2011

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The Question of Polygamy

October 28, 2025 Joseph Dewey

The Question of Polygamy

Question: You seem to give a lot of weight to the teachings of Joseph Smith. How do you fit this in with the early LDS authorities practicing polygamy?

JJ: I think that the LDS have a wrong view of prophets. Not every word they teach is God breathed or the black and white truth. For instance, Joseph’s revelation on selling the copyright to the Book of Mormon turned out to be completely misled.

Even Jesus said the temple would be destroyed so not one stone would be left upon another, but there still exists a wailing wall.

To follow any flesh and blood man without question is to receive the mark of the beast. The only infallible authority comes from the Spirit within. If you want to know the truth behind polygamy or any other doctrine you must run it by your own soul be open to all things as a little child. I have done this and get no go-head to practice polygamy, but do not condemn anyone who does through their own free will.

I believe Joseph saw the beginnings of The Molecular Relationship (see my book on this) but what he received was misinterpreted.

It is difficult to sort out all that happened with polygamy. It is interesting that there is not proof that Joseph fathered even one child through his dozens of wives. So far, all DNA testing has shown that kids thought to be descended from him are not. There is a growing segment of LDS believers who believe that polygamy in the church was started by Brigham Young and other apostles, and merely falsely promoted the idea that Joseph supported the doctrine.

Question: So what is for your feeling as to why most of the ancient prophets practiced polygamy? … Is your feeling that they all practiced it out of free will? From what I have read they thought that they would receive great blessings and rewards?

JJ: Not only did the ancient prophets practice polygamy but just about all the ancient peoples did. Many pharaohs, kings, tribal leaders, religious leaders practiced it. Greece and Rome were two empires that only practiced it during part of their histories. Herod of New Testament fame had nine wives.

Mohamed had numerous wives and that tradition is still carried on among the wealthy Muslims today. Would you like to be a plural wife of a Taliban leader? I don’t think so.

Just about anyone who had the means to support more than one wife was polygamous in most ancient cultures. Polygamy was much more prevalent among the rich and powerful than the common people for it was all an average guy could do to support one wife and the kids – and often this was a terrible struggle.

This also worked in reverse. Many powerful women in the ancient world had more than one lover, but weren’t usually officially married to them.

So basically, polygamy thrived in the ancient world and powerful men took numerous wives because they could. Powerful men also took many slaves. Why? Because they could. Interestingly, neither slavery or polygamy were condemned in the Bible. That doesn’t make either of them right. It just tells us that the consciousness of the people in that age was not prepared to change their age-old traditions.

It is interesting that the early Mormons practiced polygamy yet the practice was condemned in the Book of Mormon, the foundation book of Mormonism.

Jacob 1:15 And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son.

16 Yea, and they also began to search much gold and silver, and began to be lifted up somewhat in pride.

Jacob 2:23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.

24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.

26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.

27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.

30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.

32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

33 For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save I shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit whoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts.

34 And now behold, my brethren, ye know that these commandments were given to our father, Lehi; wherefore, ye have known them before; and ye have come unto great condemnation; for ye have done these things which ye ought not to have done.

35 Behold, ye have done greater iniquities than the Lamanites, our brethren. Ye have broken the hearts of your tender wives, and lost the confidence of your children, because of your bad examples before them; and the sobbings of their hearts ascend up to God against you. And because of the strictness of the word of God, which cometh down against you, many hearts died, pierced with deep wounds.

It is amazing indeed that the church which has these powerful words in their own scriptures condemning polygamy is famous for espousing the doctrine of plural wives.

A casual observer may be baffled by it and wonder how this could be justified. This is done in two ways.

(1) The above scripture vaguely gives what could be an exception for it says:

“For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.” Jacob 2:30

In other words, the scripture seems to be saying that polygamy is a horrible thing, comparable to running a house of prostitution. It brings untold grief to women, kills their hearts and brings a curse of destruction yet in the right circumstance – to raise up seed – God may command his people otherwise.

Isaiah talks of such a time. He writes of a future time of great destruction when there would be seven women to one man and because of such a shortage of men, women would volunteer themselves as polygamous wives. That makes sense. If a civilization needed to be rebuilt after most men were killed in a war then polygamy seem somewhat logical.

(2) The second way it was justified is it was presented as a mysterious doctrine that the common people were just not ready for. Polygamy was reserved for those who had a destiny to become gods and populate many worlds. A male god could father many more spirit children for these worlds with many wives than with just one wife.

Therefore, it was important for the spiritually advanced to obtain many wives, not only for the celestial future but to bring higher quality spirits to earth in mortal bodies.

There was a huge flaw in this second argument and that is, most of the people who have practiced polygamy have not been spiritual advanced. Many of them in the early church were tyrants ruling over their wives with an iron hand. You won’t read about this in orthodox church history but the are many accounts of the tyranny of polygamy which have survived.

Now here is a true principle that could be a reason for polygamy to justifiably surface.

The quality of entity drawn to be born to a couple is influenced by the spiritual vibration of the two. A high combined vibration will attract an entity of high vibration for like attracts like. Therefore, it may be possible that the Spirit would guide a man to take a second wife, or maybe just impregnate a spiritual female to draw forth a highly evolved soul to be born. Now if this were done without the approval of the soul then the vibration of all would be lowered and divine purpose negated.

But here’s the problem. Even if the disciple is attempting to follow the direction of the Spirit yet when other members of the group find out what their teacher is doing, they will also think that their spiritual vibration is plenty high also and want multiple wives as well.

As soon as word got out to the LDS males that plural marriage may be acceptable to God a lot of very ordinary, and in many cases carnal men, wanted to practice it.

Consequently, most entities drawn as children were quite ordinary. How many direct children of current polygamists do you know of that accomplished anything worthwhile?

There are about 40,000 polygamists today in Utah, many more than in the days of Brigham Young. I haven’t heard of any geniuses coming from any of these families.

It is indeed flawed reasoning to think that a plural wife system that has been identified by a Book of Mormon prophet to cause untold grief to women would suddenly turn into something that brings bliss in the next world.

That which makes us happy here will make us happy there and that which makes us unhappy here on earth will continue to make us unhappy if the location is changed.

Here’s is the key to discover the truth of all things. Look not at the black and white words of any teaching and do not consider that all black and white statements or commands of authorities are correct. Instead examine each teaching on its own merit and then run it by your soul.

Pretend you have never heard anything pro or con about polygamy and then run it by your soul and see what you feel. The inner voice must always be the greatest authority in the life of the disciple.

If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. – Wayne Dyer

January 23, 2011

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Is 3I/Atlas a Spacecraft?

October 27, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Is 3I/Atlas a Spacecraft?

I thought I would make a few comments on the controversial interstellar comet called 3I/Atlas.

Quite a few in the alternative spiritual group seem to think it is an intelligently designed spacecraft. Since it is about 12.5 miles in diameter that would make it an extremely large one, so some feel it is a large mother ship that may soon be releasing probes to scout around our solar system.

Like most celestial objects this one exhibits a few anomalies. The most significant one is that it entered our solar system at just the right angle so its trajectory comes fairly close to three of our planets. Its closest approach is about 60 million miles from Venus, 17.6 million miles from Mars and 33.5 million miles from Jupiter.

These are still quite lengthy distances – keep in mind that our moon is only around a quarter of a million miles from earth so 17-60 million miles away is not close enough for a complete probing and discovery.

The comet misses the earth by quite a distance, about 168 million miles or about 700 times further away than the moon. Then from October 1, 2025, to November 9 it will be on the other side of the sun where we will be unable to view it. This just fuels the speculation, for believers are saying that they know that the earth has intelligent life and they are not coming close for they want to avoid detection. Then they are hiding behind the sun for over a month to perform a secret probing that they do not want us to see.

That all makes good science fiction and I personally would like to see proof of intelligent life beyond the earth, but the chances of this being it are very slim.

Consider this. The comet is traveling at approximately 137,000 miles per hour. That is fast by our earthly standards but as far as interstellar travel goes that is very slow. If it originated from our nearest star system of Alpha Centauri at that speed it would take over 21,000 years to reach us.

But it did not come from that direction. After much calculation astronomers believe that it originated in the direction of the constellation Sagittarius, near the Milky Way’s Galactic Center. This suggests it was ejected billions of years ago from a low-metallicity star system in the galaxy’s thin disk around 10 billion years ago making it older than our Solar System.

This means that the comet originated not only before there was life on earth, but before the earth and sun even existed.

Wherever it is from it obviously originated too far back in time to be a probe to find out more about life in or solar system or to consider the avoiding of human detection. After all, it has only been about a hundred years that we have had the technology to detect a comet like this.

It would take a long article to give all the pros and cons as to whether this is a spacecraft but 3I/Atlas shows no deliberate maneuvers, deceleration for rendezvous, or signals in route – none observed, despite SETI scans yielding silence.

Now anything is possible. It could be remotely possible that it is an abandoned mother ship left behind billions of years ago. Or perhaps it did travel faster than light but slowed down to a sneaky, but steady crawl when it entered our system.

Overall Occam’s razor favors it is a natural made comet. I would give odds of around 99% in this direction.

Space isn’t remote at all. It’s only an hour’s drive away if your car could go straight upwards. – Fred Hoyle

Oct 27, 2025

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Understanding Astrology

October 25, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Understanding Astrology

Question: If peoples’ personalities can be affected by the thoughtform centered around the old zodiac, then won’t newborns be affected by the new zodiac since mass-thought is now centered around it?

JJ: I’m not sure what you mean by an old and new zodiac. There is just one zodiac that is used by astrologers.

Over thousands of years the positions of the twelve signs have changed and thus their subtle influences have changed somewhat. Humanity has adapted to this in two ways. First the meanings of the signs have changed some over the years and new interpretations have been added that are in alignment with the true energies. In addition to this, thoughtforms have been created around the signs that keep some of the out-of-date energies in circulation.

This may not sound logical to you, but it is very logical. Let’s use an example.

Jim is a big Jets fan and always roots for them when they play the Patriots. Then he moves from New York to Boston. Everyone around him is now a Patriots fan. Pretty soon it rubs off on him and starts rooting for them instead of the Jets.

What changed? Not the football teams. The only difference was the thoughts he was constantly picking up. New York and Boston both have thoughtforms built up around their teams that people pick up on when they move there.

The same goes for astrology. The old thoughtforms are still there with new ones forming. Some of these are picked up on and these influences are independent of the actual influence of the planets.

Those who are centered on the personality are influenced by thoughtforms and are much more predictable through a regular chart.

Those who are in the soul are not as much influenced by thoughtforms but more inclined to pick up the true energies of the spheres.

DK tells us that only a Master can cast a chart for a disciple based on the true energies – that no living astrologer even knows how to do it, though some pick up things intuitively. He only gave us several useful pieces of information that would be useful in casting an esoteric chart.

Question: For that matter, if mass-thought can alter the effects of something as reliable as the zodiac, then why doesn’t someone just make up their own zodiac casting everyone with the most desirable attributes, then widely circulate it, so everyone is born with the propensity towards being successful?

JJ: Someone could make up a new zodiac, but they would have to sell it to about a billion people to override the current thoughtforms that have taken thousands of years to solidify. That’s not something you could do on a whim. For instance, you just can’t make up a new thoughtform for the Moslems and get them to be influenced by it. You’d need millions to believe it first and add their thought power to it before it would have any power.

Reader Comment: I am not an astrologist as I don’t know how to read a chart. Having said that, it is my understanding that the zodiacal signs are all based on planets, not constellations. Constellations have a place within a chart, and an influence, just like the sun and the moon, but that it is the planets that determined the zodiacal houses.

JJ: The astrological signs are based on the position of the twelve constellations of the Zodiac, not the planets, though each sign is said to have one of the planets as a major influence. There is an orb that rules each sign. For instance, the moon rules Cancer, even though it moves round the earth and changes its relation to this sign daily. In addition, there will be a planet that is exalted in each sign and one in detriment. Then to complicate things more each sign is divided into three decans and each decan has a planet that rules it.

A year is divided into the twelve signs but then a day is also two times twelve. Thus your hour of birth *(instead of the month) determines your rising sign and the position of your twelve houses, each governed by one of the signs.

At birth the planets will be in various constellations and this will add meaning. Then they will be in various relationships to each other and this will add more meaning.

Learning astrology is a little like learning the guitar. It just takes just a little time to learn a few chords but it is very difficult to become an expert. The same with astrology. There is a lot to learn to master the art.

A reader says: Thank you so very much, JJ, for using your astrology skill on our behalf. I feel like I got significant insight from this. I love the shortened version based upon only the strongest influences and not watered down by endless nuance.

JJ: Thanks, A computer reading can be 40 pages long, but because it analyzes the individual placements rather than the whole and interactions, it is not very accurate. It makes it sound like the influence of Pluto is as powerful as the sun whereas it is much less.

There are hundreds of influences in a chart and they all interact. A good astrologer will look at three major things while interpreting. First, he will look at the chart as a whole and secondly the three major influences (the sun, moon and rising sign) and finally how the other influences interact with their major two or three influences.

For instance, if your Mercury is in Libra your computer reading will analyze this as an isolated influence, but to understand it you have to examine its aspects, or close relationship to other planets. Maybe it is only 2 degrees away from Mars, which means you will have to interpret these two influences as if they were two partners working together.

In addition, you have to take in consideration which of the twelve houses each planet is in and was it in the night sky or daytime sky?

By concentrating on the three most powerful influences we can get a snippet which is reasonably accurate, but, of course, the main reason for doing this was to reveal the importance of the rising sign as noted by DK because this gives an indication of the lesson in life to be learned. That information can be as important as everything else in the chart combined.

Ideals are like stars; you will not succeed in touching them with your hands. But like the seafaring man on the desert of waters, you choose them as your guides, and following them you will reach your destiny. – Carl Schurz

Jan 17, 2011

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Joseph Smith’s Handwriting

October 24, 2025October 24, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Joseph Smith’s Handwriting

A reader asked me to analyze Joseph Smith’s handwriting. I will give a few details from the handwriting that we know belongs to him.

Joseph had an outgoing friendly personality and came across with lots of warmth, empathy and a sense of emotional understanding.

He had very strong feelings, was very passionate and had a magnetism about him. He liked sharing on an emotional level whether it be romantic or strong outward expression. He didn’t like to keep his feelings in and if he was pleased, displeased or angry he usually communicated these feelings quite clearly and honestly.

His consciousness was not centered on any one aspect of living, but all aspects. We know he was interested in the spiritual side but he was equally at home when centered on the social side of life, the material side, or the intellectual side.

Most people as emotionally centered as he was are not that intellectual yet he had a strong desire to explore new knowledge and would leave no stone unturned in discovering it. He was also very perceptive and a quick thinker. He would have been a good debater.

He was one of those people who could come across as all things to all people. He had a good sense of charm and could get people to do things his way when they did not realize they were being influenced. He was very inclusive and would associate with the high and the low. He was very trusting but difficult to fool.

He was more of an extrovert than introvert and loved variety and change. He didn’t have strong feelings of self-importance and was fairly humble for such an outgoing personality.

He had secrets but did not like keeping them forever and was always pleased to find someone he thought he could trust to share them with.

He was decisive and when he made a decision he pursued it aggressively until it was fulfilled. He liked to tackle difficult projects and had a strong sense of purpose and natural optimism. He didn’t wait for change to come but enjoyed being the force to create change.

He was cooperative but didn’t like others making his decisions for him or twisting his arm. He liked to make his own decisions in his own way.

He was intuitive, a quick thinker and hard worker.

Was he honest? He tried to be and wanted to be but he had some powerful secrets that may have led him to take the dishonest path at times. Unfortunately, we cannot clear up the polygamy question from handwriting alone.

Could Joseph had written the Book of Mormon himself?

This is the question millions have asked. Actually, writing a major creative work goes against his temperament. He was intelligent but fairly impatient and always had a lot of things going through his mind. He was always interested in what was going on in the world around him in the spiritual, social and material sides of life. It is not surprising that he never wrote a book after the Book of Mormon was published because his temperament would make it difficult to settle down in quiet and just write for long periods of time. Research would have been more fun for him, but writing would be a chore. The handwriting then gives evidence that it would have been difficult for him to write the Book of Mormon himself. Most people capable of such creativity rarely stop at one book.

Question: Joseph Smith had taught that everyone could and should have their own seer stone. What’s your take or knowledge on this? Is it meant literally?

JJ: It might be interesting to note that Joseph used a seer stone to translate the Book of Mormon and reveal his early revelations. But later in life he didn’t seem to use it at all but shifted his attention away from revealing data to revealing principles. It is also interesting that his greatest teachings were merely received through contemplation without the aid of a stone.

A stone, a crystal, tea leaves, ink blots, a fire and other items can provide points of focus that when used effectively can stimulate the consciousness to see things previously hidden. In a way these things are like training wheels to aid the seeker in developing his inner abilities. Eventually he can drop these aids for most types of seeing, especially as far as principles go. They are most useful in finding hidden data though not always accurate unless used by a high initiate.

It is also interesting that the seer stone has gone out of vogue in this age. About the only time you hear any mention of it is when some Mormon offshoot prophet claims revelation.

If one is interested in using a seer stone here is an exercise.

Find a crystal or rock a couple inches in diameter and enter a dimly lit place where you can barely make out the outline of the stone. Then think of something you want to know and stare into it for about ten minutes. As soon as you see images focus on them and see where this takes you.

Question: DK teaches that at a certain point the disciple will reverse his spiritual direction. When will that occur?

JJ: This occurs when the seeker establishes a valid soul contact. The soul leads the disciple in the opposite direction of the astral self. The reverse direction of the Zodiac is a symbol of the greater reverse that occurs within.

Question: If a person’s rising sign is the same as their sun sign, does it likely mean they failed to learn the major lesson of their last life (well enough)?

JJ: No. It usually means they have decided to focus on one major area of development rather than scatter their energies.

Question: Did you get your views on vaccines from soul contact?

JJ: I think you’d call it more of a gut feeling mixed with common sense. If even too much water can kill you then six doses of the poisonous substances in a little child could indeed pose a risk. There really needs to be some legitimate research into all aspects of the vaccines to put the public’s mind at rest.

People from a planet without flowers would think we must be mad with joy the whole time to have such things about us. – Iris Murdoch

Jan 11, 2011

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Are Teachers Needed?

October 23, 2025 Joseph Dewey

Are Teachers Needed?

A reader wants to know whether a person with solid soul contact even needs a teacher.

When a person achieves soul contact, he does not instantly know all things, but progresses precept by precept and line by line, as the scripture says, until he achieves full enlightenment. That which is seen through the eyes of the soul (not the emotions) is accurate but that does not mean the person sees all things.

Why?

The answer was given in the Sherlock Holmes Movie starring Robert Downey Jr. Here is the dialog that teaches the lesson:

Lord Blackwood: Sherlock Holmes. And his loyal dog. Tell me, Doctor… as a medical man, have you enjoyed my work?

Watson: Let me show you just how much I’ve enjoyed it. [starts towards Blackwood]

Holmes: Watson, don’t! [Holmes stops Watson a few feet from Lord Blackwood, then looks at Blackwood’s hands] Observe…

[Watson looks down to see there is an almost imperceptible thin glass needle with a sharp point less than a foot from where they stand]

Watson: How did you see that?

Holmes: Because I was looking for it. [breaks the needle]

Now Watson had every bit the ability to see everything that Holmes could see, but did not see it. Why? Because he was not looking for it.

Holmes did see the deadly needle. Why? Because he was looking.

Even so, you may have two people with a similar ability to contact the soul but one may be looking and the other one is not. The one who is looking will see much more than the one who is not.

The key to successful looking is to question and have an open mind.

All of us from the highest to the lowest have things to learn that are hidden from us and we need teachers to stimulate us to look in the right direction. Holmes did not teach Watson how to look, for Watson already knew how to do it. Even so, Holmes was his teacher because he pointed him in the right direction so he could see for himself.

All those upon the path recognize the need for teachers. DK recognizes Koot Hoomi as his teacher and Christ above that. He even says that Sanat Kumara, the Ancient of Days, is a disciple of the Solar Logos. If the Planetary Logos needs a teacher then it would be silly of us to think we are so advanced that we can learn all truth and lessons completely on our own just by going within.

We all need to be stimulated by being exposed to those who have looked in directions that have not occurred to us and expanded their ring-pass-not beyond our own. These individuals have seen many things that we have not and have much to teach us. To refuse to be a student is to eventually come to a standstill in progression, just as is the truth of the opposite extreme of total dependence.

Note: It is interesting that Conan Doyle, the creator of Sherlock Holmes was a Theosophist.

There has been a huge controversy over whether or not vaccination shots have caused autism in children. This presents a good opportunity to use our powers of discernment and judgment to discover the truth.

A Look at Autism

(I recommended the group watch a video on whether autism is linked to vaccinations – that has been subsequently removed.)

Both sides of the argument were presented. Which side made the best case and why?

Where do you think the truth lies?

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Thanks for your comments about vaccinations and autism. Since one of the prime directives of this group is to find and recognize truth – this controversy provides an ideal situation to exercise this ability.

Both sides make good arguments, but the question is which side is correct?

The establishment makes the Global Warming defense that the science is settled – there is no further discussion or investigation necessary. They merely pronounce their version of the truth as fact.

The trouble is that that no good studies are available to prove which side is correct. All we have so far is anecdotal evidence which is just not accepted by the Powers-That-Be as acceptable. Perhaps the best study was from the parent in the video where he said he had talked to about 1000 parents with autistic kids who witnessed a correlation between vaccinations and autism in their children.

He then tells us that kids receive an average of 36 vaccinations by the age of five. I think back to my youth and I had only two vaccinations before high school and that was for polio and smallpox. He points out that one single vaccine may not be the problem so much as the quantity. After all, the autism rate has increased from one in 10,000 to one in 110 in the past few decades. (Note: as of 2022 it was one in 37) Something has to have caused this and nothing else has been identified, even in an anecdotal way.

The parent in the video calls for studies of the effect of numerous vaccines given at once. Typically a kid may receive 6 vaccines during one single appointment. (Note: in 2025 they receive up to nine)

It is my gut feeling that he is on to something here. I would think that a small child receiving six vaccines at one time could be in danger of a number of things. Such a barrage of poisons could indeed induce a number of ills.

I think the parents of autistic children should do all in their power to encourage some legitimate studies to determine once and for all if there is a connection of some kind. The trouble is that the medical establishment and the drug companies do not want such sweeping studies for if it turns out the parents are correct then medical practitioners will be embarrassed and drug companies will lose money.

Even when all the experts agree, they may well be mistaken. – Bertrand Russell

Jan 10, 2011

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