Apollonius and History
Reader Question:: What did this Apollonius of Tyana ever say or do that is recorded that indicate he was someone taking a “5th initiation”?
JJ: There is just one piece of information needed to give us a complete picture. This is relating to the huge difference between Jesus as a teacher and Apollonius, which is this.
Jesus was a third degree initiate (working on his fourth) but was overshadowed by the Christ, a sixth degree initiate (working on his seventh).
Because of this we actually only have a record of Jesus and The Christ speaking bas they are of one mind. Note these references of the two in one as evidenced from these scriptures:
“For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.” John 12:49
“Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.” John 14:10
“For I have given unto them THE WORDS WHICH THOU GAVEST ME; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.” John 17:8
Here Jesus clearly tells us that the great and eternal words he spoke were not his own but from the one who “dwelleth” within him.
These eternal words thus did not come from the third degree initiate Jesus but from the sixth degree initiate, the Christ. Even if Jesus did return as Apollonius, his words and acts would not have had the repercussions as did the higher initiate the Christ.
We do have some of the words and acts of Apollonius and they are quite impressive. His deeds were perhaps more impressive than his teachings.
Verifying the historical accuracy of the words and deeds attributed to Apollonius are difficult, as it is with Jesus. One difference is that there are enough historical references to Apollonius that there is no question (in the eyes of historians) that he was a true historical person.
There were numerous writings about him that were destroyed by zealous Christians who did not want any competing historical person to take away from the dominance of Jesus as a worker of miracles.
Most of what we know about Apollonius was written by his disciple Damis who traveled by his side and recorded details from personal experience. Unfortunately the original writings of Damis were destroyed, but the essence was preserved by the writer Philostratus who was commissioned by the empress Julia Domna around 205 AD. This point is a historical fact that tells us that numerous materials about Apollonius were available.
There are some pretty fascinating accounts surrounding Apollonius that remind one of a figure like Jesus.
For instance, here is an account of an appearance before the emperor Domitian
“When nearly one hundred years old, he was brought before the Emperor at Rome, accused of being an enchanter. He was taken to prison. While there he was asked when he would be at liberty? ‘To-morrow, if it depends on the judge; this instant, if it depends on myself.’ Saying this, he drew his leg out of the fetters, and said, ‘You see the liberty I enjoy.’ He then replaced it in the fetters.
“At the tribunal he was asked : ‘Why do men call you a god?’
“’Because,’ said he, ‘every man that is good is entitled to the appellation .’
“’How could you foretell the plague at Ephesus?’
“He replied : ‘By living on a lighter diet than other men.’
“His answers to these and other questions by his accusers exhibited such strength that the Emperor was much affected, and declared him acquitted of crime; but said he should detain him in order to hold a private conversation. He replied : ‘You can detain my body, but not my soul; and, I will add, not even my body. Having uttered these words he vanished from the tribunal, and that same day met his friends at Puteoli, three days’ journey from Rome.” From the Monkey of Christ Chapter 20
Here are some other points of interest.
(1) Some accounts report he was born of a virgin accompanied by the singing of angels.
(2) He was reported to appear in several towns within one day that were several days journey apart. (3) He cast out devils and healed the sick
(4) He was said to read minds
(5) It was said he could speak every language on the planet.
(6) Many called him the Son of God.
(7) The voice of God spoke approving words as he entered the temple of Diana.
(8) He rose a girl from the dead
(9) There are accounts that he rose from the dead and appeared to disciples.
(10) The modern pictures of Jesus are said to be patterned after the image on the numerous ancient statures of Apollonius.
The question is not whether we accept Jesus or Apollonius as historical characters. I believe they both are. Even so arguments can be made for or against the reality of either one of them.
If Apollonius is real it on no way diminishes the Bible account of Jesus and if the Bible is literally true it does not diminish Apollonius.
As seekers of truth our duty is to find as much truth as we can about both of them.
When we reach a point where there are not enough facts to guide us then let us look at principles which never fail.
Jesus said this: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.” John 14:12
In the Aquarian gospel he says: “What I have done all men can do, and what I am all men shall be.” Chapter 178:46
The principle is that all of us are reflections of God and are evolving to become like Christ.
It should be no wonder to us that those who take upon then the name of Jesus Christ (One who seeks to lift up his fellow man – see archives) will become great teachers as well as workers of miracles.
It is interesting that since the birth of the Common Era there are three mysterious persons who are seen as so much larger than life of whom orthodox historians question their reality.
The first is Jesus. The second is Apollonius. And the third is King Arthur
It’s interesting how trinities always seem to come into play as we investigate the mysteries.
I believe that all three of these characters are real entities. Some things about them have been distorted, but all three deserved to be seen as larger than life.
As far as Vulcan goes, seekers are justified in being skeptical of its physical reality. It would have to be so small to avoid detection that it may not even be classified as a planet by scientists if discovered.
If DK is correct that Vulcan is within the orbit of Mercury then there are two possibilities.
(1) It was physical but in recent history its globe moved to a higher vibration (from globe 4 to globe 5). This would make it invisible to us now, but would have been visible to the ancients.
(2) DK said that Vulcan and the light of the sun are one. This could indicate that Vulcan is a globe inside the sun itself, representing the First Ray aspect. Some of the ancients taught that there were globes or spheres within the Sun. Forget not that it is a fact a million earths could fit within the sun. This may seem fanciful, but never forget the words of Shakespeare.
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.: –Hamlet, I:5
Then, as I said, it is possible that DK made a mistake. If he did he was still attempting to follow a correct principle. That is, there must be seven sacred planets which represent the seven rays in our solar system. If there is no Vulcan then another planet would represent this ray as one of the “seven spirits before the throne.”
As far as Leadbeater being a source of knowledge of Vulcan Alice A. Bailey (not DK) did not trust his writings that much. She said:
“Books were being published at Adyar by Mr. Leadbeater that were psychic in their implications and impossible of verification, carrying a strong note of astralism. One of his major works, Man: Whence, How and Whither, was a book that proved to me the basic untrustworthiness of what he wrote. It is a book that outlines the future and the work of the Hierarchy of the future, and the curious and arresting thing to me was that the majority of the people slated to hold high office in the Hierarchy and in the future coming civilisation were all Mr. Leadbeater’s personal friends. I knew some of these people-worthy, kind, and mediocre, none of them intellectual giants and most of them completely unimportant.” Autobiography of Alice A. Bailey, Page 171
DK indicates he will teach again starting in 2025. Perhaps some of us will live to ask him to explain himself. My guess is that the answer will be very interesting and enlightening.
Member comment: I’ve been reading some of the Bailey writings and to me it is like trying to understand a government instruction manual.
JJ There is a big difference between a government manual and DK’s writings.
You can read the government’s text until the cows come home and still you do not have a clue.
When you study DK, pieces fall together and eventually you understand.
The government makes the simple complex. DK is truly explaining that which is complex to begin with.
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