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Rejected by Friends and Family
Audience: I have always had the feeling that you can’t take the fifth, sixth and seventh initiations in a female body, what are your thoughts on this?
JJ: I think it could be done but it would be very difficult because to take some of the higher initiations it is easier to be in the sending mode. But, it still could be done. All even numbers represent female and odd numbers are male. The sixth initiation, which is a female number and the fourth initiation of the crucifixion could be done in a female body. The odd numbers in particular would be easier to do in a male body. The sixth initiation, which is the initiation of decision, could be made in either one and it would not really matter. The male numbers, odd numbers, would be easier in a male body and the female numbers, the even numbers, would be easier in a female body.
Wayne from the audience:
As far as I can tell the female body is much more heavenly than the male body! (Laughter)
JJ: (Laughter) Wayne, I agree with you 100%, especially when I look at you and then I look at Susan behind you I think you are 100% right!
JJ: Did you read in book four of The Immortal, Eternal Words, where the “Ancient of Days” was assumed to be male and then it turned out that He was a hermaphrodite, both male and female?
Audience: You were talking about Jesus and the three temptations He could not allow Himself to have the Christ be recognized through external authoritative actions. Very similar to your book Eternal Words where you describe, when you are telling the kid at Denny’s with the bow tie that the principles that will have to penetrate as opposed to being something authoritative. Which would make sense that people you take forward in the future when they look back they just see this flowering of Christ Consciousness and are not so much focused on the messenger which is less important and more focus was put on the Christ Consciousness.
JJ: It is interesting about Jesus is, wherever He went His reputation started getting stronger until He went home to his home congregation, then He opened a scripture about the prophesy of The Messiah. There was a tradition that you would go up to the front where the scriptures were and you could open a scripture and read it and give it your own interpretation. So Jesus opened a scripture that was related to the Messiah and it was talking about how the Messiah was going to heal the sick, give sight to the blind, heal those who could not walk and things like this, and He said, “This day in your ears, the scripture is fulfilled.” In other words He was telling them that the Messiah is here. Does anyone know what happened after that?
JJ: The whole audience got out of their seats and rushed up to the front, grabbed Him and dragged Him right out of the synagogue and then what were they going to do with Him?
Audience: They were going to stone Him.
JJ: No, they were going throw Him over a cliff because they were so enraged that the son of a carpenter would say such a thing! So they get him to edge of the cliff just ready to throw Him off and here is what the Bible says, “And He escaped out of their midst.” Hmmm, now did He escape by divine power or was He strong enough to just wrestle His way free?
One way or another He was able to get free and escape them. His home folk were not very tolerant. Jesus said, “A prophet is not without honor.” In other words a prophet, by the time he finishes his life has honor among certain types of people except among his family and friends. (Laughter)
It funny with my book, people read it a with great enthusiasm and they will say, “Boy I could not put it down, I read all night.” It’s much different with my friends and family I give the book to. I’ll ask them, “have you read the book?” They say no. I go to their homes to visit and look in their bookcases and I cannot find the book anywhere.
JJ: I thought, I wonder what they did with the book? I wonder if they burned it or what.
It was funny when I was first thrown out of the Mormon Church for writing some things to try and enlighten the Mormons, I often asked friends I gave them to, “Did you read that treatise I wrote?” They would say “no” and I said, “What did you do with it?” They said, “I burned it!” They just did not throw it away they had to burn it!
JJ: Because if they threw it away some innocent soul may get it out of the garbage and read it – no, they had to burn it! It’s funny how many people told me that they burned my writings! So it makes me wonder how many in my family have burned my book.
Audience: Laughter. I don’t think they burned it because they were afraid of someone else getting a hold of it, I think they burned it because that is how you get rid of evil!
JJ: Yes, that might be it too, who knows. There might be something to that Dee. The only family member I have that has really read it and was enthused was my sweet Mother. I have been trying to impress my Mom all my life by something I have done and she was always unimpressed. Finally after I wrote “The Immortal” I thought well, who knows maybe she will read it. Well, she did read it and she loved it and has been pestering me ever since for more but now her sight is not good enough to read. One of these days I will put the books on audio and she can listen to them.
Now she does not believe in them necessarily and she is still a standard Mormon but she really enjoyed “The Immortal.” This tickled me. I finally did something that she thought was really good. She thinks I am a good kid and everything and she always thought that. She was one of the few that when I did not tow the party line with the Mormon Church, she had the attitude that God judges us for what we are. She was not judgmental at all and I appreciated that very much.
The Christ (according to DK) has to come back as an individual, an entity to fulfill His own work to finish His last initiation on this planet, Earth. So He has to come back to complete the seventh initiation.
The first stage of the coming of Christ is the establishment of the Christ consciousness among humanity and that has been firmly established. The term Christ consciousness is fixed in the human consciousness. Most people, even the man on street, has a rough idea of what the Christ consciousness is. He realizes that it is some type of higher consciousness and that ordinary people can aspire to have this consciousness. The second step in the return is the linking of heaven and earth to the point that Christ and the Masters of wisdom that work with Him can link humanity to overshadowing principle.
There are two principles involved. One I call the overshadowing, and the other I call the Divine possession. Overshadowing is where the Master can use the disciples eyes and ears and tune into his consciousness, send him messages and give him guidance so that certain a particular mission can be accomplished. I believe Jesus had an overshadowing from the time He was young. Then there is the Divine possession, where the entity which, is Christ, actually came into the body of Jesus and we actually had two spirits in one body to accomplish this specific mission.
All these things are possible and what has happened before will happen again but, how He will fulfill His mission of the second coming, is a mystery and is not known to the disciples. No one knows for sure how this mission will be completed. One of the disadvantages if this information was given out would be that many people would be claiming that they were doing this.
I talked earlier about the mighty and strong. There are all kinds of mighty and strong claimants and there are all kinds of false messiah’s out there. One thing we know for sure is that the presence of the Master will be with us again. Exactly how that Presence will be with us is unknown. We do not know if it will be like it was last time or in a body of His own or some type of manifested body, reincarnated or whatever. All we know for sure is that His presence will be here.
As a matter of fact that is what the Apostle’s ask Him in Matthew 24: Give us signs of thy coming. The word “coming” comes from the Greek word (parousia) meaning presence. Give us the signs when your Presence will be among humanity again. What does this mean? It is subject to a number of different interpretations.
It is interesting that when Shirley saw the future, she said what I have often taught and that is the world, as a whole will not recognize for some time that the Master is even here. He will not come sand say, I am Jesus Christ, hear me type of thing. He will not come from the sky and destroy all the wicked with one breath. Like, one day two guys are out mowing the lawn, and the one is Christian and the other is not and the one that is not Christian get’s zapped by lightning and turns him into a crispy critter and the born againer gets lifted up into heaven or gets accepted or something like that.
It is not going to happen like that. People will be waiting a very long time for something like that to happen. What will happen is that the Christ will work among humanity in His own way and His own time. We will not be reading in the papers that Christ is in the Mormon Temple, the Jewish Temple, or the Vatican discussing matters with the Pope.
The signs of His coming might read like this in the paper: Church leaders condemn Billy Bob to hell because he is doing X, Y or Z! (Laughter)
When Christ does manifest again it will not be way people expect. As I said earlier there are only a handful of people that expected Him to come the way that He came. There is one story of woman that had it right and she had been waiting for the birth of the Messiah. She was not expecting Him to arrive in a cloud of glory like the other Jews. No she was expecting Him to be born as a babe and when she heard about the birth of Jesus she felt within her heart that this was the Messiah and she wanted to look upon His face before she died. So they brought her to the baby Jesus. All her life she had been waiting for the Messiah and when she looked upon Him, it was confirmed within her heart that this truly was the Messiah and a short time later she passed away. So, she had the wish of her heart fulfilled and she was the only the one in the Bible that had it right. The Jewish leaders were expecting Him just the way the Christian leaders are today, He comes in a blaze of glory and wipe out all the scum of the earth and the good guys mowing the lawns that are born again can continue mowing the lawns or be scooped up into heaven or something like this.
Audience: What about that scripture that says that Christ shall rise and they that dwell will be taken to Him in the sky?
JJ: You are quoting two different scriptures here. Paul says: “But we who are alive and remain will be taken up in the air.”
JJ: Well there is a mistake right there that Paul made and that is he expected to live to see the second coming himself. He says: We (meaning me and you) who are alive or who remain until Christ comes again. If you read in the scriptures there are probably about a half a dozen scriptures that were they expected Him to come very soon and within their lifetimes. So they made a mistake right there and being taken has a lot of symbolic meanings. Up in the air is a symbol of ascending to a higher state of consciousness. When Christ comes again we will be taken because remember air is a symbol of the mind. So when Christ does come again we will be taken up to a higher state of mind, a higher state of consciousness and meet the Christ in that higher state of consciousness and we can do that right now.
We did it at the end of our last meeting when we were contemplating the principle of eternal words. We were taken up to a higher state of consciousness and we felt the higher presence together. This is the esoteric meaning of that scripture.
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