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Immortals Among Us?

March 11, 2017 Joseph Dewey

March 7, 2017

Immortals Among Us?

(Note: I wrote this for an alternative LDS group, but all readers here should find it interesting)

Joseph Smith gave an interesting, but little discussed method of detecting true and false messengers. He said:

“When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you. If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

“If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear– Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.

“If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him. These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.” D&C 129:4-9

This seems to be an interesting and somewhat cut and dried method of determining a true visitation. The strange thing about it is that I do not recall anyone in standard LDS literature who has claimed to apply this test since Joseph was here on the earth. I have encountered many associated with the church who have claimed to see Jesus, God, Joseph Smith, angels and other beings, but none have applied the handshake test.

Why do you suppose that is?

Several reasons. In many cases what is claimed to be a visitation was not a visitation at all but a vision seen by the inner eye of the beholder. You cannot shake physical hands with a vision or something from a dream state.

In other cases where the person does seem to be seeing a real visitation perhaps he is afraid to ask for a handshake. Seeing a spiritual being is good enough and the guy just doesn’t want to risk spoiling the experience.

Then there are lots of non Mormons who have spiritual encounters who have never read of Joseph Smith’s advice and the test does not even occur to them.

I have encountered a couple Fundamentalist types, way out of the mainstream LDS, who claimed to have claimed visitation from resurrected beings. I do not recall them saying they applied the handshake test, but they did claim physical contact.

One of them had writings so uninspiring that I figured his accounts were pure fiction and the other had a history of deception so I wrote him off as creative fiction. No prayer was necessary for these two, just studying them out in my mind was enough.

There are numerous accounts by non Mormons of encounters with physical immortals. One of the most popular ones is a set of books called Teachings of the Masters of the Far East. These explorers claim to have encountered numerous immortals in India, physically interacted with them and received numerous teachings that register well with the soul.

One can read these books free at this site:

LINK

Another interesting claim is found in he autobiography of Richard Kieninger called The Ultimate Frontier. He claimed contacts by several immortals who gave him numerous teachings and an assignment to gather people together to prepare for end times.

He only gathered a few and his apocalyptic predictions did not materialize

I found this character interesting because of some similarities to Joseph Smith, including a gathering to build a city in Illinois. For an interesting read, check out his book here:

LINK

Two others who claimed contact with physical immortals were Helena P. Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey.

The depth of their teachings give evidence to contact of a high order of intelligence.

Then we have the story of a 5000 year old Immortal named Babaji brought to light in Paramahansa Yogananda’s work, Autobiography of a Yogi. In addition, other stories come out of India of supposed immortals there.

So we have numerous accounts of immortals on the planet which gives evidence that there may be much more going on in this planet than taught in Sunday School.

Scripture gives interesting evidence of this stating, “all are under sin, except those which I have reserved unto myself, holy men that ye know not of.” D&C 49:8

And who are these “holy men that ye know not of”?

Could they be immortals walking the earth unrecognized?

March 8, 2017

The Key to Manifestation

There are two approaches to seeking entrance into the highest spiritual realms. One that is popular these days in the LDS remnant movement is to seek some sort of personal visitation from Jesus as a sign their calling and election is sure.

If this approach has, as its main intent to receive a sign, then the seeker may be entering a problem area and be in danger of illusion. After all, Jesus spoke these words:

‘A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. Matt 16:4

When Joseph Smith had his first vision he was not seeking any sign, but merely asking for greater knowledge.

The seeking of greater knowledge is the real key to true spiritual manifestations, void of deception. After all, Joseph said that “a man is saved no faster than he gains knowledge.”

Jesus gave an important key that needs to guide the true servant. He said.

“Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

“Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.” Matt 24:42-47

The word “watch” here comes from the Greek GRĒGOREŌ which literally means to “rouse yourself from sleep, or to be awake or aware.”

The accepted servant therefore must be eternally vigilant and seek to serve his fellow men and his God. And what should be his attitude?

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” Matt 16:24-25

Seeking a sign that you will be exalted in heaven is seeking to save your eternal life. Of course we all want that as well as to continue our physical life, but one who truly wants to be one with Christ and an accepted servant must not put saving himself first. He must put all things out of his mind except for serving his Lord, which in turn means serving his fellow men and women.

This quote gives the attitude required:

“If you follow the highest you know there will come a time when you will be visited by a Presence, either visible or invisible. It will come at a time that you least expect it and a time when perhaps you feel the least prepared spiritually, but it will come.

“To dream and wish for the experience will only delay the happening. But if you take the highest you know and go forward in the vineyard of the Master and serve with no end in sight, in season and out of season, in good times and bad. If you serve with love in the dark of night with the same strength as in the light of day, if you continue with loving service through the fiery darts of hate, malice and betrayal and above all if it appears that even your Master and your God seem to completely ignore you as if you do not exist…

“Through all this you will continue to serve with the highest you know. You continue even if God himself seems to be your enemy putting every obstacle possible in your path and laughing at you as you stumble and fall. You rise up and continue. The time comes that it will not seem to matter to you any more if friends, God or the Masters approve of you or not. It matters not if you are some great chosen one or are looked upon by the Master as the least and most needy of the brethren. You will now serve for the sake of selfless love alone because the need is out there and you sense the need.

“When this stage is reached in your being one of the Great Ones will take notice and speak: “Behold, the servant! He has become as one of us. Let us invite him into the circle of higher friendship, brotherhood and service.

“But even here the invitation comes not as you expected. All your expectations are shattered and soon replaced by newer ones and the groping in the dark is replaced by walking the path with vision. The reward for your selfless service is sight and as you see the path ahead your heart is filled with joy for that which you see is not what you imagined, but more than you imagined.”

This gift to the servant is best described in this scripture:

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” Rev 3:20

How this promise is fulfilled will be revealed in a powerful manner to those who are prepared to lose their life in service as guided by the Spirit.

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David Whitmer Descendant Talk

March 10, 2017March 11, 2017 Joseph Dewey

Visits from Immortals

I received a lead the other day on this very unusual interview. This guy claims to have been in physical contact with all kinds of resurrected immortals from the scriptures and more. Whether you believe it or not it provides interesting reading. Take a read and see what you think.

DAVID WHITMER – DESCENDANT TALK

NOVEMBER 18, 1993

After 2.5 years we taught 112 people and baptized 112. We never even taught a lesson to anybody except they got baptized. I mean we even hit the number one atheist in Tacoma who was a 19-year-old kid that had an IQ of over 200.

When he was 14 he had challenged every major religion to a big debate.’, He challenged the Catholics, Baptists and they would meet in a large ‘hall that seated 300 or 400 people. He had won every debate but he couldn’t get any Mormons to come and debate. The full-time missionaries would come and teach him but they wouldn’t discuss Adam-God theory, or polygamy, and all that. He had slipped in to one of our baptisms where we were baptizing a couple, and he had heard there was going to be a baptism and he wanted to see what it was like. Right after the baptism he slips out the door.

Arly and! were getting dressed and we usually baptize one or the other and then we would switch on the confirmation. When I go to confirm them I can’t find Arly. So I confirm them both and we get all through and I go out into the parking lot and there is Arly. He had slipped out and the Spirit had said go get him. So Arly had headed him off and he said “What I want to do is learn about the Adam-God theory, polygamy, and all that stuff.”

Arly said “we will teach you anything you want to know.” And he said “OK” come over to my house Thursday night.’ So starting Thursday night on we taught him?????? Arly took my watch, I had, one with the hand on it going around. He took my watch and he says “John is there any elements in that watch that you couldn’t find out here in the earth”?

John says “no.”

Arly says “what are the chances of all them coming together and actually working”? And John goes, he figures it all out, “really there is no Chance of that happening”. Arly, then says “someone had to make it, huh? “OK, I finally believe there is a God”. There is no way I can get passed that one. Then with tears in his eyes John says “now teach me about God”.

He ended up joining the Church and then he went on a mission, then he came to BYU and I haven’t heard much from him since. Arly would head off people all over town. I learned on that fifth stake mission how you do it by the spirit. If you don’t have revelation you have to knock on every door. If you have the Spirit you just pass up the ones that aren’t ready even they make an appointment. He is the one that opened the door on it. So when I moved back from Tacoma up to Salt Lake here the first week I went to church as a Seventy they Said “our group instructor isn’t here. Here is the lesson manual. Would you mind teaching us lesson number such and such”? I stood up first time in the ward and taught the lesson and after that they set me apart as the Seventy instructor.

The second week the High Priest group instructor wasn’t there and they asked if they could come in. And about three years later they made me a High Priest and I still teach in all the Seventies and High Priests and I was there 8.5 years teaching them. Two and a half years working in the River Jordan temple in the baptistry every wednesday.

I had a goal that took me fifteen years to reach. I wanted to be able to speak to the church of the Firstborn and the resurrected beings. Even going on a mission I needed personal revelation of some kind that said “Yes, I want you to go on a mission, and here is where I want you to go, this is what I want you to do”. Rather than just assume I am supposed to be going where the Church told me to go based on there was an opening that happened to be there. I wanted to be more. I went for fifteen years fasting, praying filling every position that I had, doing everything I could by the spirit until I started receiving my first visions and revelations. That would have been eight years ago now.

My first vision I had Jesus taking me by the hand and we were sailing over, what turned out to be, most of the state of Utah. We were at an incline about like this ‘/’. We are about two or three hundred feet in the air and He is showing me all the destruction that is going to happen to Utah. He kept saying “I’ll clean my house first”. My house meaning those that are the closest, those that have the most, will be where I clean first.

There ‘vas a woman climbing up over rubble. She was all beat up, she had dried blood on her, scabs, everything was a mess on her. She was digging thru rubble like it was her home. She was saying “Oh God, I’ve lost everything”, “I’ve lost everything”, and just a wailing. And Jesus said “no, you I’ve lost everything that you thought would save you: Unless all of you turn your hearts to me, and come to me, “this is what’s going to happen to you”.

I don’t know how long this vision took but When it finished I was sitting on the end of my bed. I went downstairs and walked around for about 45 minutes. I came back up and just sat on the edge of the bed and was just starting to lean back onto the pillow when the vision started again. It was exactly the same thing, exactly, same words, everything perfect. When I got thru I was sitting on the edge of the bed again so I went down and walked around for a little over an hour. I went back up and was just starting to sit on the edge of the bed when it started for the third time. After the first one ‘remember thinking ‘when my wife wakes up in the morning I am going to tell her we’ve got to move away from Salt Lake. After the second one we’ve got to move away from the Wasatch front and after the third one we’ve got to move out of Utah because then ‘remember seeing Logan, St. George, Vernal, and everyplace in Utah., ‘remember seeing headlines, like news headlines’ saying “Look what has happened to, Utah. These were God-fearing, family-oriented, upright, clean living people. If that can happen in Utah what is going to happen to the rest of us”? I was seeing newcasters saying the same type of thing.

Question: Was that an earthquake type of thing, or nuclear?

Answer: There wasn’t much standing. ‘remember seeing the temple but it was like the temple was sticking out of some water. I could only see the top spires of the temple. The rubble was mostly upon the benches but it looked like there was a lot of water here). Since then I have found out that there is a 200-300 foot shelf of salt underneath the Whole Salt Lake valley. A geologist at the University of Utah was telling me that that salt in the last years has been dissolved and most of it is gone now and it is just a hollow cavern down there. When they drill they can hit an area of 300 feet thick with nothing in it, it is just empty. So it is like the earthquake shakes and this falls down and then the water from the Great Salt Lake rushes in.

The Indians talk to say that in their prophesies it is something like the salt woman, they call this the salt woman and the salt woman is going to raise up and clean the valley. But all I can tell you is what I saw which was a lot of destruction and when this woman says, “I’ve lost everything”, all He answered was, “you’ve lost everything you thought would save you”.

I don’t think I’ve told you this but I saw a couple of visions where I could see me standing on a corner in Salt Lake and I’m telling people that now is the time to repent, now is the time to get your life in order. ‘remember a guy coming up with a three- piece suit on and a briefcase and he asks if he can go home and tell his family about this? And I say, “Yes”. I see myself there a few days later saying the same things and another guy in a three- piece suit and a briefcase comes up and asks if he can go home and warn his family and I answer, “no, there isn’t time”. I can see myself turn and like I was heading west and when I got somewhere out on the desert, I could see a lot of people behind me and a lot of people out-in front of me, all traveling, but I felt like a big whoosh behind me. It was just like something brushed the back of my head, and the back of my shoulders and my pants and the heels just went whoosh like something fell down. I turned around and it was like I was looking through glass or plastic.

Everything was swirling. There were people, cars, trees, and houses swirling up in the air and they had a horrified look on their face. That’s when my wife says, “we want to be in front of you”. (He moved right out to Vancouver, WA). I had an angel come and say, “you ‘re now ready to be rebaptized in preparation to receiving further ordinances”.

Question: Did the angel give a name?

Answer: He eventually did but he didn’t when I first met him). I went and told my Bishop, told my Stake president, told the 1st councilor in my stake Presidency who lived in my ward, and told them all everything that was happening. I thought that they would line me up an appointment at the temple or something to go get baptized. It was stuff I didn’t know much about, the ordinances for rebaptism.

I asked the angel, “what’s this about?, What do I need to do?”. I want you to go up to the Church archives and get a copy of David Whitmer, the witness, his patriarchal blessing. The next day I went up and requested a copy and they punched in the computer and said, “there is none”. So that night this angel shows up again and says, “I want you to go up and get a copy of David Whitmer’s blessing”. I say there isn’t one and he says, “yes, there is”.

I went up again and they had a supervisor gal there that kept putting it in the computer and saying, “there isn’t one”. So I went home and the next night here he comes again. I am thinking that this guy is a broken record. There is one or there isn’t. I wasn’t arguing with him but I just said, “they tell me there isn’t one.

The angel says, “there is one”. “OK, I’ll go”. I go up and just make another request and they say, . “there isn’t one”. I said, “Do you have somebody that knows why there wouldn’t be one?” There is a guy that has worked here for 45 years. He looked like he was 80 years old. He kinda looked like Joseph Fielding smith. He looked like he had worked in the archives all his life. He’ tried the computer also and then said he would look in the actual stacks. He came back out and said, “Yea, there is one back there but it’s a file that’s got all three edges taped together with red tape and red tape across the front. Written on the red tape across the front is “Do not open except in the presence of the First Presidency”.

The old man says, “the only way you can get a copy is by requesting it with this form”. He helped me fill out the form. I put down that he is an ancestor and I want a copy to put in my book of remembrance. He says, “that is a valid reason.” Two weeks later I get a letter from Dean Larson, the general authority in charge of historical department of the church, after deliberation, the First Presidency has denied your request for a copy of David Whitmer’s patriarchal blessing.

The next night the angel comes back. I said, “I am sorry I could not get a copy of the blessing”. The angel said, “I just wanted you to know there was one”. I said, “I believe that there is one”. The angel then said, “I am going to tell you who I am now. I am David Whitmer and Joseph Smith gave me that blessing. I am now going to tell you what was in that blessing”. A lot of the same stuff that he told me (he shifts directions here for a while)

Now let me jump back; When I was 2.5 years old my mother ran over me in a car. They rushed me over to the Sanford???? clinic. I had 68 bones broken and I swelled up and they had to cut my clothes off. The doctor said I wouldn’t make it to Phoenix and we can’t save him here so just take him home because he wouldn’t make it thru the night. My grandfather, the one who grew up with Spencer Kimball, . (more background about his grandfather) My grandfather had a little boy that drowned. The little boy had been stuck in a head gate of an irrigation ditch for 4 hours. The family members couldn’t find him and they finally went and got granddad. He jumped off the tractor and knelt down and he could see in a vision right where the kid was. He ran over and jumped a few fences and ran right up to this headgate and jumped in and the water was up to his chest. Even though the water was muddy, granddad could see where the boy’s hand was because of the vision that was shown to him. He pulled him out, put his left hand on his head and his right arm to the square and commanded the Lord to make him live.

Water shot out of his mouth about fifteen feet straight in the air. Every year on his birthday he gives granddad a book or a little present. My grandmother passed away one day and the relief society had taken her over to the church house to get ready for burial. Granddad had come home and found out she had died he said, .”no she hasn’t, she has a family to raise”. He went to the church took her hand with his left, raised his right arm to the square and commanded her to rise, and she did. He dragged her all the way home (sounds rougher than it was) and she had to take the stitches out when she got home. She still had the scars from where they had sewn up her lips and eyes.

They had five more kids after this. I am giving you an idea what my grandfather was like. So he gave me a blessing when I was 2.5 years old and was ran over. Everybody knew that I was going to die, but he told me I wasn’t so I didn’t. I still have a big scar on my leg that reminds me of it.

When I was 19 Spencer Kimball gave me a blessing and the blessing really scared me. .’think I was on my fifth stake mission in Tacoma when my grandfather passed away in Arizona. He passed away for about 17 minutes. He had had a heart attack and the paramedics had rushed him to the hospital and they were preparing an operating room for him. He was all hooked up to the machines and had left him alone in a dark room and when they came back the machines showed he was dead flat for 17 minutes. Grandfather said he had met the Lord and had talked the Lord into letting him come back. He wanted all of his posterity to come down and hear his testimony.

The whole family went to Arizona. I would have been about 30 years old. (I could have been anywhere from 28 to 32). Grandfather told everyone how he had met the Lord, what it was like, and how long he knew his wife would still be here. Grandfather told everyone that he had come back to bear his testimony that the Lord lives and has been resurrected, etc.

That afternoon he came and took me by the hand and took me out around the house where there are no windows on one side and where a trampoline is, which they leaned on. Grandfather said, “The only reason I came back is to repeat a blessing to you. The Lord told me to repeat a blessing to you. Do you remember the blessing I gave you when you got ran over?” I said, “I remember that you gave me a blessing but I don’t know what was in it.” He said, “no one has told you what was in it?” I said, “no.” When he started talking about the third word I knew it was, word for word, the same blessing that Spencer Kimball had given me in his office when I was nineteen. It had some of the same stuff in it that David Whitmer’s patriarchal blessing had that he was given by Joseph Smith. The one that is sealed at the archives that can’t be opened except the First Presidency is there.

Every time I’ve heard the blessing it scared me. It is mainly dealing with family though. From the church standpoint it deals with family. I have a mission with my family. . . (1985) The Lord took me on those three trips of destruction, preaching on the corner, and then my two grandfather’s appeared to me. They had both died since then. They appeared to me in my bedroom. My dad’s father and my mother’s father. My mother’s father didn’t say anything but he would nod his head whenever my other grandfather would talk. (background) Both grandfather’s served full-time missions, both married in the temple, both had four sons and four daughters each, all their sons and half the daughters of each served full-time missions, they all married in the temple and served in bishoprics and stake presidencies. Three sons are stake patriarchs now. They are both real straight arrow type families, real solid.

One grandfather has 63 grandchildren and the other has 64 and all of them married in the temple. Both of them served full time missions with their wives after they retired. One worked 20 years and the other worked 22 in the Mesa Temple and the Salt Lake Temple. With that background here they are telling me “Where we are we can’t progress until you, on the path you are on, continue on that path and receive the Patriarchal Priesthood, and the sealing power of Elijah and seal us into your family.”

I said, “What, say what?” They told me this three times that night, “You need to go on your path, and stay on it, and obtain the Patriarchal Priesthood and the sealing power of Elijah and seal us into your family or we can’t progress.” I went through two months of searching everything trying to figure out what they are talking about. They have done everything that I hoped to do, they covered all their bases, they have done everything by the numbers. I am wondering what they missed, or what they say they have missed out on. The next Sunday, after they visited me I got up to teach the High Priests and Seventies and I prepared whatever the lesson was, and when I opened my mouth the Spirit had me give a whole lesson on the Patriarchal Priesthood and none of it I had ever heard before. I was just like a spectator in the room listening to the same lecture on Patriarchal Priesthood. I couldn’t believe it.

On the Aaronic level men hold the Priesthood because they need to learn how to serve others.’ Women don’t need the Priesthood because they already serve others, they already know how so they don’t need to learn it. On the Melchizedek level the woman share in the Priesthood with their husbands, but they don’t need their husband there to do it. They can anoint with oil, they can bless, they did it back in Joseph Smith’s time, and in Brigham Young’s time. On the Patriarchal level they hold the priesthood independent of their husband and some can have a higher Priesthood than their husband has but it is all independent.

I am saying all this and saying where is all this coming from? I have never heard this, never saw it, don’t even have a whisp of it. I get the Whole thing out and afterwards, out of 32 men in the class, at least 20 come up and say we have never heard anything about this. Where did you get this? I said, “I have no idea.”

That was Sunday and on Wednesday we had stake temple night. Out of those 32 men 30 went to the temple but I did not go. I got 2 phone calls at 11:00 that night. The Bishop and the first councilor both called and said, “Boy, you wouldn’t believe what happened to us tonight. We went to the temple and had an hour set aside for a question and answer time to talk about things you can’t talk about except in the temple. When we got there and the temple President came in and said, “We have a letter from the First Presidency saying that we cannot give these question and answer periods anymore. We are only supposed to give you a lecture on the importance of corning to the Temple.” He introduces his first councilor who is going to give us the lecture and then the President left. When the first councilor opened his mouth, Out comes every word that you (David) said on the Patriarchal Priesthood but the first councilor also had all the footnotes, he had every place that you go to get that information.

Right after the lecture the bishop made an appointment with him for you and I to go to his house. He is a stake patriarch and he is the first councilor in the River Jordan temple. Saturday at 8:00 a.m. he will show us where he got all this. John Taylor, Brigham Young Joseph Smith, Wilford Woodruff were all quoted. The two brethren from his ward stated that this was a second witness.

It was a Sunday or two after that that I was told to resign from my job as teacher of the High Priests and Seventies and concentrate on my family. I told the High Priest group leader that I wanted to be released and he asked why. I told him that I was supposed to concentrate on my family. When I got home that day the stake president calls me and comes rushing over to my house. He had been the president for 2 months. Prior to that time he had served in the presidency for 8 years. He went through a lot of scriptures but his bottom line was; “When I was in seminary my seminary teacher showed me these scriptures and told me that I need to develop my own personal relationship with’ the Lord, that I need to have communion with the Church of the First-Born, and the resurrected, and righteous, and just saints. I need to have ministering angels. He listed them all.

Then he continued by saying, I went on a full-time mission, I got married in the temple and I was put right in the bishopric, then I was made the next bishop. Then I went right into the stake presidency and ! was the first councilor for 11 years and now I am the stake president. This has not happened to me and it can’t be happening to you. I have to excommunicate you because! don’t want anybody following you, I don’t want anybody coming over and talking with you and if I don’t excommunicate you then everybody will.”

That was the most devastating thing I have heard about in my life. Number one I can tell you that if you say that membership in the church is more important to you than a personal relationship with the Lord, I can tell you what you are going to end up losing because that is one of the first things that will go. I went through a week and a half of horror. I plead with the Lord, I prayed, I would do anything. My whole goal up until that time was to become wealthy in construction and then teach seminary for a $l.00/yr wherever they wanted me to. That is all I actually wanted to do and I only had a half of a year of college to finish. I just wanted to teach for a dollar a year and then take my students during the summer and put them in my construction crew and teach them how to work and how to be a son or daughter of God all the time you are working and enjoy it.

(So they went ahead with the action?) “Yes.” The stake president said, “I don’t even want you at the trial, it won’t make any difference, I’m going to excommunicate you anyway.”

Question: Did they give you any reasons?

Answer: The stake president said, ” I’m just going to put down that you have departed ‘from the doctrine of Christ.” ‘I actually went over and drove around the church house, at least five times, when the trial was going on because I wanted to go. I actually had angels that kept me from going but I wanted to go anyway just so I could say I listened to it and see how it was.

I had three high council men come over to my house afterwards and say, “Every time he would ask for a vote we would all vote ‘no.’ We saw no reason to excommunicate you. Then he finally read a letter from one of the Seventies. It was a Poulson, or something like that. But he’ read a letter from a General Authority and in the letter it said something about following the advice of your Priesthood leaders. I don’t know the wording of it. I kinda had their versions so I won’t get into because I wasn’t sure but in it, it said that if ‘your Priesthood leader chooses the way to go you have to sustain him. After the third ‘no’, and the stake president was the only one to vote to excommunicate me. He read this letter from one of the General Authorities and then said, “I as your stake president have chosen to excommunicate him so therefore to sustain me you all have to vote yes.”

Then we all voted yes because we wanted to obey our Priesthood leader. I said, “That’s fine it doesn’t bother me a bit.” The reason it didn’t bother me was because the Lord, in one of the nights I was in this anguish, came and said, “David, what man gives you man can take away. Let them. Now what I’m going to give you no man can take away. Now which one is it you want? What is that you want to hang on to?

I’ll take whatever You are going to give me.” That was the bottom line and so from then on it didn’t bother rue. Since then, I’ll just run through the next year or two.

I was baptized by John the Baptist into the Church of Christ. Not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints but into what they call the Church of Christ, that level. Then I was baptized into the Church of Enoch and then I was baptized into the church of the Firstborn.

Question: I don’t understand What the Church of Christ is.

Answer: It is part of the Kingdom of God.

Question: You can’t go directly from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints to the Church of the Firstborn. Is that what you are saying?

Answer: I can’t even envision how that would happen. You have seven levels. The Book of Revelations is primarily for just these people in the last-days. The elect people in the last-days can read the Book of Revelations and it is just for them. When John keeps saying ‘let him Who hath an ear, hear’ what he is saying is if you can hear what I am saying this is just for you. It isn’t for anyone else. It hasn’t been for anyone else in the entire ages until right now.

There is seven churches in there that they talk about; Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatira (see Revelation chapter 1:11). All they represent is the seven levels you personally have to go through getting into the presence of God. There is the Church of the setting in Order, that is the first one. The Church of the Restoration, the Church of Christ, the Church of Noah, the Church of Abraham, the Church of Enoch, and then the Church of the Firstborn.

Question: They are not called that in the Book of Revelations?

Answer: no, but the spirit will teach you what it is all about. John has written it in such a way that nobody by their reasoning power can figure out what he is talking about. As you progress through those levels, basically what it means is, you have to prepare your body for the I AM spirit in you to now fill that temple with the Spirit of God – which it is. When that spirit, the I AM of you, receives its glory it will burn the carnal body up because the carnal body hasn’t been prepared yet. You have to (prepare your body so that every physical cell in your body matches , the spiritual cell of your spirit body. When the spirit is in control and every cell of the spirit of you is in control of your physical body it will go through that, seven year process of replacing every cell to match perfectly, DNA and everything, with that spirit body. Then, and only then, will that body be able to withstand the Glory of God.

The Second coming of the Lord is just talking about the spirit of you coming forth and taking over.

Question: In order to do this you have to be baptized into the Church of Christ?

Answer: That is just one of the levels. It isn’t that you have to be baptized in it’s that the church of the setting in order means the physical part of you and your mental mind has to, let the Spirit start setting yourself in order. Then you have to restore all things. You have to restore everything so that the spirit has all the power.

Then the Christ level of Church means that the I AM part of you is now taking over everything. Not just beating your heart, which it already does, the spirit part of you controls beating your heart, and your eyes blinking. If you had to think about it and do it yourself your mind would wander and your heart would stop. You have to obtain a faith in Christ enough that you say I know you’re beating my heart I so I know that you can control the rest of my life. You can control what I eat, when I sleep, what I think, where I go and what I do. I’ll turn my life over to you and let you control it. That’s’ putting faith in Christ. You believe it will take care of you. Then God feeds you, God’ clothes you, and God takes care of you.

Now you’re putting yourself into His hands. As that spirit now renews your body and replaces those cells (pause) I’ll go to the Sacrament level. On the Aaronic level the sacrament is bread and water. On the Melchizedek level the sacrament is red wine and unleavened bread. On the Patriarchal level the sacrament is everything you eat becomes your flesh. It becomes the flesh of the I AM spirit part of you which is the same as the spirit I AM part that’s in Jesus. The part of Jesus that’s the Christ’ is the I AM part that’s in Him so therefore the I AM part that’s in you can become the same in Christ.

As, the spirit takes over and you eat something you sanctify it because it becomes your flesh. That’s taking upon you His name – you’re becoming that Christ. As you eat you sanctify it and it becomes your flesh, you drink and sanctify it and it becomes the blood in you. Have you been washed by the blood of the Lamb means let the blood in you” as you drink this it becomes your blood – let that blood cleanse and as the spirit casts out of each cell that which is unclean – it can be preservatives or whatever is in there – but as it cleanses every cell it puts it in the blood and the blood is what’s washing you clean.

As that blood washes you clean and as What you eat keeps replacing your body you become a body that matches perfectly the spiritual body that’s already in there. Then you’ll be able to withstand Jesus’s presence or the Father’s presence.

Question: You had this vision where Jesus came to take you before you had this?

Answer: The Holy Ghost can cover you and do all that. They can take you to the city of Enoch to baptize you in the Temple there and they just clothe you in the Holy Ghost and take you there – that’s all that amounts to. It’s like a spiritual person stands right behind but you’re enveloped in their aura so then as you go through it can’t bother you. What does Nephi say – the Holy Ghost will tell you all things whatsoever you should do.

The Holy Ghost, all it means is that it’s complete. A complete whole, w-h-o-l-e. As your spirit becomes whole and in charge of the whole body it’s a Holy Spirit – it’s complete and that’s all they’re talking about. Now the Holy Ghost out there is anyone on the sanctified, any of the Church of the Firstborn, any righteous and just person who hasn’t been resurrected yet, or who hasn’t even come down and got their body yet can officiate in the office of the Holy Ghost.

In the temple when the Father says, “Jehovah go down and tell the man Adam” Jehovah turns and says, “Peter, James, and John go down and tell the man Adam”. Jehovah is in the office of the Son (Father, Son) and Peter, James and John have just been assigned, in the office of the Holy Ghost, to go tell Adam something but it could be your grandfather, it could be your great-grandson who hasn’t even been born yet. These could be ones assigned to you. When Jehovah turns and tells someone (shall tell them who?) Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith assigns the one that is assigned to you, your guardian angel, that guardian angel can come and testify to something you’re reading, or something you’re praying about. He’s coming in the office of the Holy Ghost (to specifically???) but he does not add anything to the words or He doesn’t take anything away. Whatever the Father says, and Whatever the Son says, and whatever Joseph says that is exactly what you end up getting. It is the words of Christ that you’re hearing.

Question: What you are telling me is that the endowment we are watching is personal.

Answer: There you go. If you take everything personal, If you say the earth itself has to go under a big cleansing change now to get ready for the coming of the Lord, they’re not talking about the earth they’re talking about your body. Get it ready. Get it cleansed. It’s going to have to have earthquakes, it’s going to have to have tornadoes in it to get out all the parts. All the earth is a symbol representing what has to happen to your body.

When they say, “I have a mansion in heaven” the mansion in heaven is your body. Where is your spirit going to dwell and live through all eternity? In your body; so renew it. Your whole purpose in coming here was to get a body. Don’t leave it in the grave and go up there and say now what am I going to do? They’re saying you got to go resurrect your body in the grave. How do I do that? It’s a lot harder now then it was while you were still in it. You let the physical part of you stay in control. When it said “I’m hungry” What did you do? You ate. Who does that give power to? The physical part. Who was in control? The physical part. Now you’ve got to go get it back. You’ve got to go raise it up. You’re not going to get a mansion in heaven unless you take it with you there. This is the time to prepare to meet God. That is basically it.

Question: When I am talking personal I am talking Patriarchal, right?

Answer: Right. Let’s go Patriarchal. When Ezra Taft Benson comes into any of your homes he knows who presides when he gets there: The father of the family presides. Doesn’t even matter if they’re Mormon or not, they don’t even have to be Mormon, but they still preside because the father has the first level of the patriarchal Priesthood already sealed on him by God before he even comes here.

That much Patriarchal Priesthood is greater than the highest level in the church. So even the President, Prophet, Seer and Revelator of the Church, when he enters any home, he immediately goes under the direction of the Father because that’s a greater Priesthood. You take that Priesthood, which came from God” and that’s the Priesthood that God has to continue giving you. Remember Abraham said, “Melchizedek ordained me to become ‘a King arid a Priest” but the Lord came and put His hands on my head and sealed me a King and a priest after I was willing to sacrifice Isaac. Then, and only then, did he say now I have a Priesthood.

Question: We are introduced to the Patriarchal order?

Answer: Right. What the sealed portion of the gold plates are, are ramblings about the Patriarchal order. There’s pieces of that that will pertain just to you. Then you get to the Patriarchal level and find someone on the other side of the veil who takes you under their wing, you might say, then they’ll instruct you and slowly guide you so that you gradually become aware of what you need to do on the Patriarchal level. The women have an independent – they have to get their revelation and their inspiration on what their path is and what they need to do because they receive priesthood too. It wasn’t that the men had the Priesthood and the women had nothing. It’s that the women didn’t need to have it because they didn’t have the natural man’s instincts of “me first.”

All my kids would know that if they came up to me and asked for a bite off of my plate I never stuck in their mouth the one I was saving for my last bite. You know what I mean? There is the best part of any steak. The wife will always give that to any kid. They’ll even give the best steak to their husband, won’t they? Naturally, that’s because they already know how to serve others. Men have to learn that so they’re given the Priesthood in order to put a harness on them and make them do it. Make them go home teaching, make them pass out fast offerings. They’ve got it all twisted around here they say, “gee, look at me I’ve got power.” I’m up here passing the sacrament.” All it is, is that this is the only way we can get you to learn to do what the women already know. They don’t need it, they don’t have to do it.

All you get from that point on is further instructions pertaining to what you need to do. When a husband teaches his wife what the Lord or your patriarchal father tells you to teach her. The Lord knows what your wife needs to learn, or what she needs to know about you – that you do care and you do appreciate her. The Lord. will have you tell her that.

When you get home from work, if you have four kids, you go hug all four kids. Some of them are thinking ‘oh geez, here’s dad again. He’s, just going to hug me and I don’t need a hug right now. But there’s one of them that’s going to say, “Oh dad, hug me, little longer, longer. I needed it all day.” The Spirit is going to say, “Go take that one and go sit down and spend a whole hour.” The others don’t care so it doesn’t matter right now. When their time comes, that ‘they’re weepy or something has happened during that day, and you come home that’s when the Spirit says take them aside and spend some time.

When you do it by revelation you fill all their needs. You fill all of their needs. You don’t need Primary. All the church function is for is we are going to teach these fathers, wives, and children what the fathers aren’t teaching them and should’ve been. That’s all it amounts to.

Every time Moses, or anybody, says the Lord wants a nation of Priests, Holy Priests, that’s what he’s talking about. We want the fathers to get their own revelation, get their own instructions and teach their own. When they finally come up to their wife’s level, which is patriarchal, then the wife can get hers. But if the Lord says, “Look, you guys have been together for 20 years now. I’m going to go ahead and start giving your wife all this Patriarchal priesthood authority and she’s going to be in charge of this and this and you just keep coming. What would most men think right then? She’s got more authority than I do. What would most men do? Quit; that’s right. So the Lord says let’s just wait until he actually gets there.

I met Moroni, the brother of Jared, seven different Jaredites, about six or so Nephites, including Moroni, two of the three Nephites that are translated. All of them gave me different things, different things to do with the patriarchal Priesthood and what I need to do just for my family. Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith Sr. came and that was the first time I actually saw the Lord in person and not just in a vision. They ordained me to what they called a probationary Patriarchal Priesthood and then sealed me as a son to Joseph Smith Sr.

I was puzzled then as to why Joseph Smith Sr but since then I’ve found in the ‘Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith’, on page 38 (I think), it’s where Joseph Smith gives his father a patriarchal blessing. In that he actually gives him the keys to stand as Adam on the earth in the last-days. He is Adam to this last dispensation. He will be able to sit at Adam-Ondi-Ahman with of all these Patriarchal sons adopted to him. Everyone on the Patriarchal level will be adopted to him and he’ll sit at Adam-Ondi-Ahman and then turn them all over to the original Adam.

Anyway, at the time, all I knew was that I was assigned, as a son, to Joseph Smith Sr.. Then he gave me by revelation every step I had to do. Basically, everything was how to get me prepared so that I could meet the Lord himself. In a sense, he was functioning on the Holy Ghost level to me and received a lot of instructions through him and other people on the Holy Ghost level and I received instructions from King David, the King David of Israel. He was one of my guardian angels. David Whitmer, the Book of Mormon witness, Brigham Young, John Taylor, two of the translated Nephites, the brother of Jared, and Moroni. All these weren’t all on that same level.

There was a period of time from when I was assigned to him, and the impression I had was I was sealed to him forever. If you talk to anybody that knows Patriarchal stuff they say your Patriarchal father is your father forever but when he released me and introduced me to the Lord he said, ” I’m releasing my sealing to you and now you will be sealed to the Lord.” Then I was sealed as a son to Jesus himself. From that moment on I didn’t have anymore visitations on the Holy Ghost level. There rarely would be a day that He didn’t come but when he didn’t he’d assign someone else to and someone else could that was on His level who is already a joint heir with Him. That would be when I met Abraham, and some of the guys that are on that level. How long was I at that level? 8 months. In that eight. months all He was trying to find out was if He said jump would I jump or would I discuss it and try to find out why I’m jumping?

He was trying to get me to a point when I would stop saying why. I want to know why – kind of thing. The nearest thing I can describe it to is if you take a broken horse, like a cutting horse, when you get that cutting horse to where you can just hang onto the saddle horn and not do anything except pick out which calf it is the horse is not going to say ‘why is it that calf?’, ‘why not that one with the limp?’

The horse doesn’t do any of that though we all do naturally. You point to the calf and then hang onto the saddle horn and the horse does everything. That’s what He wants. That’s when He says a broken heart and a contrite spirit. He’s saying broken So that I can just hold onto the saddle horn and you do whatever I already pointed you to. Don’t keep saying “Well how long do we have to do this?”, “Can I quit after ten jumps?”, ‘Can I jump back and forth ten times and then quit?’ That horse doesn’t ask. He’d do it for four hours if you didn’t pick up the reins again, wouldn’t he? {Yes} OK, that’s what He’s trying to get.

When He gets you to that point then He says I’m going to introduce you to my Father. Which He did. I’d have to say, up until now, that is the best thing that ever happened to me. It was like I am going to go meet Him {the Father}. Jesus is going to introduce me and now and then when ‘really have a special reason maybe I’ll get into another meeting where I can see Him{Father} again. Jesus takes me up and says Father here he is ‘This is my son David in Whom I’m well pleased. He’s yours.’ Then Jesus takes my hand and puts my hand in His Father’s hand and then He leaves. I’m going, ‘whoa, wait a minute here now, what’s the deal?’ The Father seals me to the Father as a literal son.

Question: The Father seals you to the Father? Who is the first Father?

Answer: It is Jesus’s Father. He actually sealed me to Himself first and then He introduced me to my Father.

Question: The second Father is your spiritual Father?

Answer: Right. You come out of your spiritual Mother as a set of twins a male and a female. The male happens to come out first but it doesn’t have anything to do with who is better than the other.

{Question: Were we created spiritually by sexual intercourse?

Answer: That is true. You are born as a male and a female at the same time. It just happens that the male comes out first and he holds the hand of the female When you come out and now you are twins. A brother and a sister as full twins. He introduced me to my Father and told me what His name was. Theoretically, there are no names on the other side of the veil you’re only known by your title of whatever office you’re working in right now. So if they call someone Samuel that means whatever the office of Samuel is – that’s What they’re doing right now. Adam is a title. Even though they had the title of Adam when they came down here each one of them had separate offices in the councilor the quorum of the 13 Adam’s. Technically there were 144, 000 of them. Jesus’ Father is the spokesman for the 144, 000 fathers. They don’t say fathers and mothers because when you say father you’re talking about both your Father and Mother. The title father includes both.

Question: The title father means parent?)

Answer: Right. Eloheim is technically feminine. That’s because most of the Eloheim that visits and talks to people like Abraham if it’s in a feminine form he says Eloheim which is the feminine form of it. Or he will say Father if they’re both there. You can meet just the Father without the Mother but if you meet the Mother it is the same thing as if you’re meeting them both. They’re both one.

Anyway, He introduced me to my Father who told me His name was Seth. From then on all I’ve dealt with is Seth. I can get daily instructions from Him. I can ask for something specific and get that from Him or He’ll just come daily and see how I’m doing and what’s happening and tell me here’s what you need to work on and things like that. I rarely get anymore visitors on any of the other levels but I can have a visitor of anyone of the 144, 000 fathers and it’s the same as if Seth himself came. Jesus’s Father is the spokesman for that group but they’re all exactly the same. Whichever one He assigns to do something it’s the same as if He were doing it.

Jesus is the spokesman on this next level, or generation. All those that become joint heirs with Him (and Jesus says, “My sheep hear my voice, my sheep will follow me, my sheep are numbered, and my Father hath promised that I’ll not lose one.” What Jesus is talking about is the 144, 000 that are going to be on His level. There are multiple mortalities. If they came down and rode around on their motorcycle and didn’t do what they were supposed to they might have to do it again. I don’t want to open up a whole can of worms on that either. You have to have a real good reason to do anything but everything is done for a good reason. Jesus’ sheep He’s looking for are the 144, 000 which means the first born spiritual son of each Father. We can play all kinds of numbers games. I’ll go with you through a numbers game.

You take Jesus’s father who He says, “This is my Father. I have done nothing but what I’ve seen my Father do and I have said nothing but what I’ve heard my Father say.” There are 144, 000 of them on that level. Jesus is now the spokesman for 144, 000 which happens to be the first born son of each one of the fathers. Each of the fathers had 144, 000 sons.

Why is He interested in finding His firstborn? So that He can get His Firstborn busy finding the rest of them. Why is He looking for the first born – what is the Church of the Firstborn? Every birth has two, a male and a female. Which is the male? The first born. That’s what they’re talking about. Ephriam wasn’t the first born, Jacob wasn’t the first born, Isaac wasn’t the first born, you can go on and on. Abraham wasn’t the first born, Heron was older than him. Nobody was the first born but how come they’re all in the Church of the Firstborn? Because they were born to their spiritual Father first, before their sister was, is basically all it means. If I don’t do what I’m supposed to as my Father’s firstborn He can take anyone of the other 144, 000 of His sons and seal him into the same position. He doesn’t take any of my free agency away because I can say, “no, I am not interested.”

Here is the one mighty and strong; Everybody is looking for one mighty and strong. Anyone of the 144, 000 Fathers are one mighty and strong. Anyone of their sons are one mighty and strong. Anyone that does and uses any of the power that they have is the one mighty and strong. Now if anyone claims to be the one mighty and strong, all I can tell you is, he isn’t. If he was the one mighty and strong he would never say it. If he says it this is what he is saying to all the rest on his level, “I’m better than you, and I’m higher than you.” That’s really what he’s doing so he would never do that because he knows that he is only one of 144, 000.

Therefore, they can say are you one mighty and strong? and he won’t say. If he does say it, it means that somewhere he got a revelation that says you can be one of the one mighty and strong. In other words, we are going to bring you up to this level but before he gets there he starts claiming it. He starts saying, “I jumped to a conclusion on what someone said way back here and that’s why I know I’m the one mighty and strong.” All that means is, “I don’t understand what I am saying.” Everyone Who does, knows he doesn’t, because he didn’t finish his ordination, he didn’t go on. Therefore he’s out claiming all this but he isn’t.

Question: Does that happen?

Answer, Yes, there are at least three in the valley, right now, all claiming it. They’ve all short circuited their own progress.

Question: If someone wanted to get on the straight and narrow and get started, how would you advise them?

Answer: Just do what God tells you to.

Question: With the strife that’s going on in the Church right now (incomplete)?

Answer: Stay in until God tells you to leave. What I’m trying to say is don’t do anything until God talks to you personally and if God is not talking to you personally then do whatever it takes to get him to. I can already tell you He already can talk to you. It’s that, you’re not in tune yet or you’re not ready yet. Get ready. Say, “What do I need to do? Take away from me everything that’s keeping me from you. That’s a real dangerous one to write. I guarantee He’ll do that. In other words, what is there about me that’s keeping me from coming to you? He’ll say are you willing to give it up then?

Most of them it is, a picture of a guy hanging on a cliff, hanging onto this branch, and he’s saying Lord save me. I don’t know what’s down there but it is a swirling mist and I don’t want to fall into it so please save me. The Lord says, “OK, I’ll save you, let go”. After a few years of pleading this is how he changes his plea, “Lord, please ‘save me and this branch.” The Lord says, “I can’t save the branch, just let go.” Then he says, “Please save me and the branch and get me up there we’re safe and then I’ll let go of Whatever it is, the church, my job, my house, my wife.”

When I started this I had a good job in the church, I had a good wife, good children, good income, good house, good everything and I lost every bit of it. ‘Not one thing did I end up with. I ended up giving it all to the Lord. Now, He has given me back, my wife followed me to Arizona. I said, “What do I do now? God said, “Go get a carpenter job and feed them.” Why do I have to feed them I gave them to you; they’re yours. God said, “Yes, but you said you would feed whoever I told you to feed, you would clothe anybody I told you to, any of my children.” I said, “Yes.” God said, “Here are my children. Feed them.” I said, “I’ll feed any of yours but these were mine, I gave them up.” He says, “I know you did and now they are mine. Now I am telling you to feed them.”

I went and got a carpenter job and started feeding them. Then we moved back to Utah and then I moved up to Washington and they stayed here. As soon as they found out where I was here they came again. He says, “Go get a carpenter job and feed them.” I said, “Are they going to follow me everywhere?” God said, “That is their choice but if they choose to, you get to feed them. So get feeding them.” I said, “You want me to go get a job?” God said, “What’s wrong with being a carpenter?” Nothing.

Another time, I thought I was being sanctified and I had this big sliver go through my thumb. How can that happen to me? I tried and tried to pull it out but it had broken off and wedged back against the bone. I had pulled it with pliers until I’d nearly pass out. Well, I had better go to the doctor. I am sitting in the doctor’s and they gave me a shot and then he slices it open and pulls this big thing out and then he leaves. I am thinking how could this happen to me? I mean me of all people. I see this hand come through the veil and it has this big (nail) mark in it. God said, “Look what happened to me.” ‘ I said, “Oh well, mines not that big.” God says, “You wanted to know how that could happen, just be more careful.” I said, “You had slivers when you were a carpenter? and He said, “Yes.” God said, “Stop Whining about it, see mine?” He (God) brings me up short all the time.

I literally had to go through a lot of things to get rid of greed, get rid of pride, and get rid of ego (my wife helped me with this also.

Question: Was any more said about when the First presidency wouldn’t let you read David Whitmer’s blessing?

(first cousin fifth removed his ‘grandfather is my fifth great grandfather) Answer: He came to me because I was the only one in the whole family (he said) that was on the path and willing to continue on the path. He said what was in the blessing was that he, David Whitmer, had been given all of the keys for the gathering of Israel in Jackson county for the building up of the temple. As the Lamanites came with all their materials to build the temple he would just coordinate things with Ephraim and any whites that wanted to help.

He wasn’t in charge. No one has the authority to tell the Lamanites what it is they’ll be doing and when and trying to organize them. He is to coordinate anyone else’s efforts with what the Lamanites were doing. He was given all the keys – that’s why he was the president of the stake of the New Zion in Jackson county. When the church left Jackson ‘county he Just moved across the river and stayed right there until he died because he was waiting for people to come back. His mission didn’t have to do with anything but the New Jerusalem.

Question: What about the spiritual partner that was created at the same time?

Answer: I’ve seen where even a guy in the stake presidency runs into his spiritual sister twin. He had such a marvelous spiritual experience just being in her presence that he just knew he had to some way be sealed to her. He ends up having an affair with her and getting excommunicated and he can’t understand why. I said because you were having an affair with your spiritual sister, your twin, and it wasn’t meant that you have an affair just happened to run into her. She is sealed to someone else. It doesn’t mean that when you get next to them you won’t know. You will know that here is someone special. It might not be your exact twin sister, it might be the your next brother and sister. But it might be the same spiritual Father and the same spiritual Mother. You’re going to have a real close tie there. You will run into people that you know is your brother.

Abraham’s promise, the church’s view is that everyone that is the literal seed of Abraham is going to be blessed, going to be holy people, and they are going to benefit the rest of the population. What it really meant was that ‘anyone of his seed, which could mean you, that finds out who he really is – that the I AM in him is the key to everything and let’s the I AM in him take over and control everything. In other words, as he develops into a God he becomes what it is HE AM. He begins to be what Jesus began to be, the Son of God that He was.

Question: Did you notice that when it started happening to you?

Answer: Yea, but my father Joseph, and a lot of them would take me to a scripture and have me read it and I would say ‘No, that’s not what that scripture means. Oh, that’s what that scripture means and then it started to dawn on me.. Anyone of his seed who realizes and develops into a complete being like Jesus did now will bless all the population of the earth and they’re the elect. That’s all it’s saying. If you happen to be from someone who wasn’t Abraham you can be adopted in and it’s exactly the same as if you were anyway.

Even if you run into someone who is a direct descendent of Joseph smith, or David Whitmer, or Parley P. Pratt it isn’t any different than if you just get adopted in anyway. There’s no difference. All it means is, in other words, if I were a literal descendent of Joseph Smith and now Joseph was now going to pass me onto the Lord it would be harder. Another key is going to women. If you took just 10, 000 women in this valley and said meet the Lord .Jesus Christ and they met Him and they felt the love that He had for them and He put His arm around each one of them. Every cell in their body would just be in ecstasy, I guarantee you. And Jesus said, “Come and I’ll seal you mine.” These women, out of the 10,000, I would really be surprised if even one of them said, “Let me go call my husband and tell him I not be coming back.” They’re going to go with who they find that they know can take them all the way to the celestial kingdom. That’s why a lot of women would try to get sealed to Joseph Smith in the temple after he was dead. After Brigham Young died hundreds went down and got themselves sealed.

The men stopped doing that because they didn’t want their wife, after they were dead, to run and get sealed to somebody else that they knew had a better chance. Technically, all Joseph has to say is, yes I accept you or. Jesus to say, yes I accept you. It doesn’t do any good to center on your wife and say I’m going to try to save you with me because if you don’t make it and she gets a chance she’s gone anyway because she is already qualifying and you’re not.

I’ve had men say, Heber C. Kimball says I’ll do anything you want Lord except I don’t want to lose my wife, Vilate. It’s right in his journal. So what does the first revelation that comes through Joseph say? It says, go tell your son Heber he is supposed to bring Vilate over and give to you as one of your plural wives. He tells Heber. Heber goes three days, can’t sleep, can’t eat, anything. Vilate saying what’s the matter? She goes and prays and an angel tells her that he’s being tested from God and he’s supposed to do it. She goes right out and grabs him and says, you do, whatever it is; you do it.

So he marches over to Joseph’s house in Nauvoo and his tracks look just like two skis because he dragged his feet. When he gets over there he knocks on the door and Joseph comes and he takes Joseph’s hand and Vilate’s and puts them together. Joseph let’s go of Vilate and hugs Heber, tears running down his face. They are hugging for 15, 20 minutes. Then he takes them in the parlor and seals them by the Holy Spirit of Promise; he seals them for all eternity. Now what did he have in order to get her for all eternity.

He had to give her up. But he only had to give her up because she was the only thing he wouldn’t do for the Lord. Just tell the Lord I’ll go on a mission for you as long as it’s not cold and let’s just see what happens. You’ll end up where you need lots of long johns. My dad did that and he still can’t understand why he was in Winnepeg Canada when he asked for someplace warm. It’s because the Lord can’t find out if you will serve Him doing what it is you want to do. He is trying to find out if you will do all things whatsoever He commands you. All. So if He can find something that you might not do that’s the first thing He will ask you to see if you will do it. As soon as He realizes, that it doesn’t matter what I ask, this guy he is going to do it.

Justification is when you reach a point that the Holy Ghost, the guardian angel that is in that office for you, will take you before Joseph Smith and the Lord, put his left hand on you and put his right arm to the square and say, “I justify everything this man has done.” That’s all justification is. When the Holy Ghost will do that, that’s when he will turn you over to the Lord. That’s when you get your second endowment, that’s when you get your calling and election made sure. That’s justification, that’s all it is when he’ll justify everything you have done, meaning – The Spirit told me and I did it.

When Nephi killed Laban he was justified. If you say, “No, I won’t kill anyone.” You can make the list anything you want that says this is what won’t do. You have a guardian angel writing it down. I can guarantee you that it is on your list of what to do because that’s the only way they can test you.

Question: What about the earthly ordinances, Holy of Holies, second anointing, washing of the feet. Baptism is a requirement to enter the celestial Kingdom, is it a symbolic baptism?

Answer: It is symbolic. What the baptism of water really means is you need to be washed, and completely immersed in the love of God. When that’s happened to you, you come out pure as you think you are when you come out of the baptism, you’ve been completely immersed in water. That just represents the love of God that you have to be completely immersed in. When you’re immersed in the love of God you have no anger or hatred in you. Every cell in your body is filled with the love of God. That’s what has to happen to you so the baptism of water is just a symbol of.

Joseph Smith said if you don’t get that love in every cell of your body you might just as well be baptized in bags of sand. You can do that in the temple too if the people don’t get immersed in the love of God. Now the baptism of fire, and the Holy Ghost, is being baptized with the Light of Christ. Every cell in your body has to be in the control of the Light of Christ, or the I AM that’s in you shining forth with its glory. When that happens, the more light you get the less clothes you have to wear.

All the garments represent is the light that you used to have. When you can turn that light on you don’t need the garments anymore. The garments aren’t there to protect you they’re just there to remind you that there’s something you still need to get, you need to get clothed in the Light of Christ.

Question: everything is a symbol, right?

Answer: The temple is a temple made by hands representing the Temple of God that’s made without hands, which is your body.

Question: The question I had was specific to the Holy of Holies, is that a necessary ordinance?

Answer: No, none of the outward ordinances are; they’re just representative of what you have to go do. They’re all the Aaronic level. When someone doesn’t do what God wants them to do, personally, then He gives them something to do just to keep them busy.

If you’re not going to sanctify everything you eat then let’s at least sanctify something so that you’ll think it’s sacred, the sacrament. We’ll sanctify this little piece of bread and this little cup of water seeing that you are not going to do it to everything else you eat. If you are not going to live the one law of loving God, then let’s break it, that’s what Moses did, he broke it, ground it up, mixed it with water and made them all drink it so they would all be taken it upon themselves, their own curse. Then he comes back with the lessor law which has Ten Commandments but the people keep getting worse and worse.

The worse the people become the more rules you end up with. If you go down to the prison and you are really a bad guy, they will let you know when you wake up, when you go to sleep, how you dress, when you eat, and everything in your life is controlled. That is no different than the Jews became when Jesus .was in Jerusalem when he was growing up.

They went from 1 to 10, and from 10 to 300,000 commandments when Jesus was born. These commandments told them how to bake their bread, how to grind their wheat, how to sacrifice animals, how to butcher animals, how to prepare the meat, how far to walk, who they had to help, who they didn’t have to help, what they had to pay, every 7 years they do this, and every 50 years you have this, and every feast. If your wife was on her period and she sits on the bed and you sit down on the bed then you had to go through seven days of purification.

On and on – 300, 000 commandments. Which gives you an idea how far you can go if the people say, “We want to know what to do.” He will keep giving them things to do. He even started the Word of Wisdom stating this is not by way of commandment yet they wanted it as a commandment.

Question: Is this what the Church is doing with us now?

Answer: Exactly.

Question: Is it because we are so rotten?

Answer: No. It is because the role of the church changed, I don’t know what section it’s in, but it’s where it says, “the whole church is now under condemnation” and in that same scripture it will say something about, “but not the individual”.

In other words, the church is under condemnation. It can’t save you from now on; it’s no longer even going to get the ordinances that can save you but individually you can come to Me and come on up. That’s all that scripture was trying to say and from that point on there’s nothing in the church that can save you. That was clear back in 1843 or 1844.

Question: Are you talking about the Manifesto?

Answer: Even polygamy is not going to save you. Polygamy is not a Celestial law it is Telestial. The Celestial level of the Patriarchal Order of Marriage or the Plurality of Wives means that until you blossom in your Patriarchal Priesthood you are viewed by the Gods as being female, meaning you have no Priesthood, which (being) female means you don’t even need to have Priesthood.

When my wife and I get sealed to become a King and a Priest, and Queen and Priestess, we get sealed and now we make a covenant with Jesus. There is no place in the scriptures that I’ve found yet, there might be, but whenever they refer to a bridegroom they’re always talking about one person – Jesus. If Jesus is the bridegroom, who are we? We are the bride. If I’m a bride and my wife is a bride and the two of us covenant with Jesus and we obey our husband in righteousness.

I’ve never run into a wife in this valley yet that can actually say her husband is righteous, and everything he has asked me to do is righteous, therefore, I obey him. There’s some that don’t understand that and they might think they are.

The first covenant I make in the temple is obedience to Him. The first covenant she makes is obedience to her husband. On a lesser level she assumes that’s me. On the Celestial level it’s Christ, He is still the Bridegroom. If she obeys. Him and I obey Him what’s Jesus going to do? Bring us closer and closer. You draw near to Me and I draw near to you.

How as I become one with Him and she becomes one with Him and we become one with each other, what happens? Now the Holy spirit of Promise seals us but only when we get to that point.

Now you can say the Godhead is a triangle pointing down, and you and your wife and Jesus are the triangle pointing up and as the two become one there is the star of David.’ The star of David is just for Israel meaning in God’s reality you have become real to Him, you’ve blossomed into what it is you are – same as a mustard seed blossoms into what it is.

If you have the faith, as a grain of mustard seed, you become what you are like it will become like it is and that’s all you have to do. I become that and I become a star of David meaning I am one with God therefore I am real to Him and that’s Israel. So I’ve become Israel. Israel is not a tribe or a group of people it is whoever does that. That’s how they become Israel, Israelites.

The star of David is my symbol, my wife and I are one with Jesus and we can go on now into the Patriarchal Order – plurality of Wives – How many wives does Jesus end up with when you do it that way? A bunch. That is the Patriarchal Order of Marriage and Plurality of Wives. That’s God’s program.

Let’s find out who else has a program out. Satan has a program that goes like this; if were not going to make this covenant with God then let’s, at least, we’ll put the man in the position of the Lord and we’ll tell the woman that you have to obey him. He can have other women but they all have to obey him. He is their lord and master. As they all obey him, and all their children obey him.

If you’ve ever known any polygamy groups ask yourself how many of the children or wives have any free agency? Any free agency at all? Dress like they want? Play when they want? See what I’m saying? They take away all their free agency. In other words, Satan’s plan is to save all of you but you have to be sealed to me, and you have to do everything I tell you, and then I’ll save you. Otherwise you’ll be cast into hellfire and damnation.

That’s his plan. As I am their lord and master, let’s say another guy shows up and says, “I like what you’re doing with your family. What I really like is how you have seven wives and forty kids. I want the same thing.” The new guy can’t do it by going to God and finding out what he is supposed to do because the original guy already knows.

The original guy says, “I’ll make you my patriarchal son and now you are my lieutenant. Now I’ll tell you who you can marry, and what to do with them.

It is still Satan I s plan and now, he has lieutenants. What happens to the whole group? This is how it comes from our Father’s perspective. If I am in charge of one of these groups I go to Father and say all of these people are sealed to me, I claim them all. If you accept me you can have them all. That is exactly what Satan is going to do at the very last of the Judgment Bar. He is going to say, “All these are mine. I’ve sealed them all to me. I’m their father.”

There is going to be a lot of people there that are going to be real surprised that they are even in that group. Then Satan will say, “If you accept me you can have them all.” That is Satan’s plan.

What does Jesus say, “They, are all yours. This is my Father’s glory. I will pass them on.

Develop your own relationship. Find out yourself what ‘you are supposed to be doing.” One has free agency and the other doesn’t. That is the Patriarchal order and the Plurality of Wives. I never ran into a polygamist yet that even understood it yet they can see it. I like to talk to a polygamist with at least two of his wives there. You might be able to keep a secret with one of the wives, you can bribe her enough that she won’t tell, but you get two of the wives in there and there’s no way you’re going to keep it secret from the whole rest of the group.

I’ll take the man, step by step, right down through the process of. His intention, as he meets with me, is that I’m going to teach Bro. Whitmer that he has to live polygamy or he can’t go to the Celestial kingdom. I ask, “Why are you living polygamy?” Because of Joseph Smith was and then he quotes D&C 132. Harvey Allred has this ‘Leaf in Review’ which is merely all their arguments right in there. There is a lot of pamphlets that they give out. I haven’t ran into any new arguments yet but the argument is that Joseph Smith was commanded and unless you live that you’re not going to go to the Celestial Kingdom.

Do you know what “Simon says” means as compared to , “Father may I?” If the Father initiates, it and it comes down thru the Son and to the Holy Ghost and to you, this is “Simon says”. In other words, to play the game you have to do everything that Simon says, but unless it’s “Simon says” you can’t do it.

In D&C 132 it says Abraham did all things whatsoever he did by commandment, and by My word, by revelation. (D&C 132:37) And Abraham, and also Isaac and Jacob did none other thing than that which they were commanded. Therefore, they sit upon thrones and are Gods, not angels. The key there is you do everything that Simon says and don’t do anything that isn’t Simon says.

Now concerning “Father may I” – the best example is D&C 132:1 “Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as ye have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob … had many wives and concubines, I’ll tell you.” That is not ‘Simon says’. Inasmuch as you were asking, in as much as you were trying to find out. Why was he trying to find out? Why would the Lord think you would be asking why all these guys get polygamist wives? That is want he wants, so it isn’t Simon says. Even if God tells you do to something you’re still OK if you do it.

The polygamists say God told Joseph to live it so therefore I’m living it. Then I say, “Show me your ark.” They’ll go, what? Show me your ark. God told Noah to build an ark, show me yours. I don’t have one. Why not? God didn’t tell me to build one. I said, “Then why are you living polygamy? God hasn’t told you to. I’m not going to buy the argument unless you show me your ark because I can prove to you that God told Noah to build an ark. Just go out and start it. Put a couple of 2X4’s together and say here it is. Then you have to do everything. Get your first-born son ready to be sacrificed. You can go on and on with, “because God said it to somebody I have to do it.” If God tells me, “Simon says”, I do it.

The polygamists get down to I fasted and prayed for a year and a half before I finally got the Lord to tell me I could do it. That’s ‘Father May I’ isn’t? After a year and a half he told you to go ahead but why did you pray for a year and a half to live it? I could tell what was ‘in his heart anyway, but right from his heart comes this, “I wanted to see what it was like to live with more than one wife and have sex with more than one wife.” That’s the bottom line right there.

His two wives sat there with their mouths open. They looked at each other and said that’s not what he told us. He was saying that he had to or God would cut him off. Today they are not married anymore. He and his seven wives are all divorced because they found out real fast. The women say, “We’re out here doing all he wants us to do in his program.” And he isn’t using the Father’s program he is using Satan’s.

It is easy to show that it’s Satan’s program. You show me a father that exercises unrighteous dominion which is just merely putting the child in a position where they don’t have free agency. How easy is that to do? You either do this or else. You either go on a mission or I’m not going to pay for your college. Any “’this or”, is taking away free agency and when they do that, amen to the priesthood of that brother.

Take any fourteen year old kid, and it can be a girl or a guy, and unless they are really brow-beaten and have no concept of what free agency is, they can recognize in their father, or any other man, whether they have authority or not. A fourteen year old… think about it. You can be over at church and He can look you right in the eye and he knows you’re a phony. You have exercised unrighteous dominion on your own kids or even on him. They can see it in your eyes, that you’re hollow, you’re sounding like brass, you’re a whitened sepulcher.

They understand this but they don’t know why. They’ve gone through a seven-year cycle of being trained and they are baptized at eight. Then they go through a seven-year cycle of experimenting, trying things, and seeing how the consequence is. Put your hand on the stove and it gets burned. Now grab that kid by the hand and try to put it on the stove, he’ll pull back because he knows. but people still say keep kids away from the stove because they will get burned, no, that’s the best thing for them.

If they get burned once there’s no way on earth you can get them to again. Let them taste the evil whereby they know to prize the good. In other words, let them, with their free agency, taste. Taste the sweet, taste the bitter, taste the sweet, taste the bitter. They’ll come back but it will be with their free agency.

Now you use Satan’s plan, “I am going to save all my kids.” They’re all going.to have to go to church, they’re all going to have to do this. But you take any fourteen year old and he can recognize authority. I’ll put this to you: If all your kids were wandering around downtown and Jesus came and sat in the park and started reading, telling them parables, and your kids got just within earshot, they would recognize and say, “Here’s someone who isn’t a phony.” They would recognize the authority so fast; first the children and then the women. Here’s somebody with something that my husband doesn’t have.

They recognize it without even knowing what they’re recognizing. They would be right there listening. When you become like Him and you start telling them they will recognize it too. Men, today, are drowning, and they’re trying to save everyone else from drowning and they’re doing it by trying to climb up on top of the others and saying, “I am in charge, I am the head.”

There are only two plans; one of them has free agency. Wouldn’t you rather have free agency? They have a quote in a newspaper that Joseph Smith said, “No one will ever be excommunicated from this church by differing in doctrine with me.” Brigham Young said the same thing too.

(After we started breaking up the meeting some good questions were raised. Most of what is left is harder to hear but I will give you all the pieces, whether or not they make sense or are complete.)

As to what I will be willing to do for you. In other words, until now I’ve been afraid that if I say, “Lord, if turn my life over to you you’re going to have me down in Guatemala preaching on a corner and my wife and kids will wonder where I’m at.” Really, that’s what you think about it because as soon as it becomes Simon says, you don’t get to choose. You are saying, “Right now I am choosing.” Then we’ll test you, here goes! And you’re gone. You don’t say how long. You become the horse. Now He can use you for what He wants but until you get your own information (incomplete).

Your danger is finding an answer from someone else and then start following someone else. That guy can call you to the gutter real fast. Satan’s helper will say, “the first thing the Lord wants you to do is take out your check books and whatever your balance is write a check for that amount and put my name on it. Then I want you to sell your homes and give me that money and the Lord is going to bless you.” That is the first thing that can happen because he (Satan’s helper) has to start a whole group.

The guy (the helper) is going to put himself in place of the Lord, who is resurrected and already here, but you guys all look at me, ask me, give me your money. That’s the thing that I will never do because I don’t want all you guys to be my servants.

When you get your calling and election you have to pay for your own sins. I would end up in the Celestial Kingdom and say, “I claim all these. They didn’t do what they were supposed to because I stopped their , progress but now I want him to wait on me, and I want him to take care of my yard, see what I mean? Every time you bring me my plate of food you will slap it down there like saying, “You turkey, look what you did to me;”

Question: How do we not be deceived from the angel of light?

Answer: (Big sigh) How to take the Holy Spirit for your guide and be not deceived? That means that you can be deceived by the spirit but how can you be deceived? If I have the Patriarchal Priesthood and tell my guardian angel, “Go tell his guardian angel that if he reads this testimony, that it’s true.” Now you go pray and as you are asking, “Is this true?” what is your guardian angel going to say? “Yes. ” Then you say, “I want to be specific, Who told you to tell me that this is true?'” “The Father.” All patriarchs are the father, so he: says “the Father”. Now what do you assume?

That his Heavenly Father told him to say that. That’s how easy it is to be deceived. All he can testify to is truth. So if I write something and it is true and I hand it to you and you read it and ask (if it is true) and I say, “Tell him it’s true.” Is he telling the truth? Yes. And if you say, “Who told you?” and his answer is “The: Father.” Is he telling the truth? Yes. There are people that can do that. Find out (where the answers are coming from) when you start getting answers. When you say, “I need to know.”

It took me fifteen years to get my first answers and in the last eight years I’ve had 10,000 answers. You can’t get into as much trouble for not doing as you can for trying. Even if you’re trying you’re saying, “If I put my hand on this stove will it burn me?” Let’s say an evil spirit says no. Put your hand on the stove and jerk it back and say, “Gee, here I trusted you and you told me it wouldn’t. Why did you tell me that?” Eventually you’re going to find out, “Who told you to tell me to put it on the stove?” Did this come from who? who?, who?, and find out where it originated. You will find out that Satan is in there.

What I use as my key is: “Jesus is the Christ and the only way to the Father.” (answer should be yes) Evil spirits will admit that Jesus is the Christ but they won’t ever say He is the only way to the Father.

Then I would say, “Is the Book of Mormon a second witness of Christ who is the only way to the Father.” (answer should be yes) Then “Does Joseph Smith hold all the keys to the last dispensation” (answer should be yes) I get those three answers then I ask the question again, “lf I put my hand on this stove will it burn me?” Answer is yes. Ahhhh, it’s a little different. It’s a different answer of ‘yes’ than the other three yeses. I go back and ask the three questions again and then I ask, “Should I put my hand on the stove?” Yes. Ahah, get thee hence Satan. I find out that the spirit that was trying to tell me to put my hand on the stove was the evil spirit-and so I’d say, “Ahah.”

Whenever somebody says something I’d say, “Oh, well what’s the answer?” “Yes.” “Is Jesus the Christ and the only way to the Father?” No answer. “Get thee hence, Satan.” You have (emphasis) to learn how to find out where it is coming from.

You can get a lot of tangents, you get off the razor’s edge. If you want to find keys of finding out if things are from your Heavenly Father or not. Your Heavenly Father is always going to be this nature of answers: You’re my son, I’m well pleased, I forgive all yours sins. When you read from the D&C and you read any of that stuff you know that it is right from the Father.

Question: Does He ever ask you a question? You ask a question and he will throw one back.

Answer: Yes. Like, why do you want to know? or why do you do this? Here is the Father’s program so you can use it as a guide to see how but first you have to believe what I am telling you about it but you can test that. The Father’s program is this; My son Keith, if you plant corn I’ll cause it to grow. If you plant weeds I’ll cause weeds to grow but you are going to have to eat whatever one you plant. In other words, you plant hatred, you plant love, you plant forgiveness, whatever you plant I’ll cause to grow and you’ll end up eating it. That’s the only law of God there is. What you sow, you reap. There is no other law.

Mark E. Peterson and a lot of them say there are a lot of laws. Ellie Scaron(?) there’s only one law and then she says here’s a law, and that there’s a law irrevocably decreed in heaven for every blessing. That means a lot of laws. No, what it means is; whatever you plant that’s what you get. That’s the only law there is. ‘The Father is going to say, “What it is you want, plant. I can cause it to grow but whatever it is, you have to eat it.” Basically that’s all He is going to say. He’ll say, “If you do this, this is what you’ll get, if you do this this is what you get.” But He will never tell you which one to choose. He wants you to test it and find out. Now Satan will step in and give you a revelation and his revelations are: You either do this or I turn you over to the buffetings of Satan.

Now, take those two keys and go read the D&C and find out. Take a highlighter, a yellow one and a pink one. If you can tell that’s coming from the Father – if it’s love, forgiveness, and it deals with the law of the harvest – do it yellow. When you run onto something saying, “You either do this-or else.” Start doing pink. You can be right in mid-sentence when all of a sudden it will switch· back.

When Joseph is receiving a revelation in the D&C and the revelation is coming to Him from the Father, and the Holy Ghost is there saying repeat (?) and Joseph’s mind – here’s the scripture, my favorite one, “Be still and know that I am God.” Be still means stop thinking, your natural man mind must stop, it’s an enemy to God, has been from the beginning, so stop thinking. In other words, be still and know, know that what I am telling you is coming from me. Don’t get off the razor’s edge, one way or the other, just stay right here, know.

Now God only has one time and that is now so knowing means you are in the now state. So as the revelations come in and Joseph is thinking “Oh”, and starts thinking a tangent, the Lord stops talking and Satan steps right in. I mean, before you can blink your eye, and Satan finishes the sentence and now it switches over to “You either do this or else.” As soon as Joseph’s mind stops thinking the Lord’s takes over. He doesn’t go back and redo what Satan just did, He lets you go.

When I first found this out I said, “I’m going to go through and straighten all these out. Take out all of Satan’s out and put in what was actually supposed to be because I could see the revelation coming that Joseph got and I could see right where Joseph had started thinking and how Satan now puts his little piece in there and then the Lord, then Satan. I was thinking I am going to edit this and I was into it about two months and I get “Who told you to do this?” Uhhhhh, I wanted to. I knew that I was in trouble. “Why did you want to do this?” I wanted all these people out here in the valley to see where you can get deceived by the Spirit. “How did you find out?” By the Spirit. “Why don’t you let them find out like you did? So they’ll have a testimony of the Spirit instead of a testimony of you.” That’s pretty good and I haven’t done anything with it since.

Question: When you first started this day you pointed out to us that there was a gentleman that taught you a beginning. There has always got to be someone, somewhere along the way that teaches the beginning.

Answer: Find out if he’ll claim that Jesus is the only way to the Father. Satan claims he’s a way to the Father. If he can get a 99.999% of everybody what does the Father have to do sure I’ll accept you, come on back. You will find that I will never tell you anything that you can’t eventually go find out yourself. If anyone wants help from me I’ll help hold them under water until they reach the point they say, “Lord, save me.” Or if they are hanging on the cliff I’ll just grab them and chuck them off.

To me there is no love in prolonging their misery. I’d rather just chuck you over the cliff and you either say, “Lord, save me, completely.” Turn your whole life over to God because you know you are going to lose it all anyway, rather than help you back up and say let’s get started again because then you end up with crutches and hobble along.

I had a guy in one of the last meetings ask me, “Where do you think we’re at right now here in the valley?” I said you are all decorating and repainting your deck chairs on the Titanic. You think you have to get everything in order but it is all going down and it isn’t going to matter what color it is.

Nov. 1, 1942 – Nov. 18, 2014

Sandy, Utah-David A. Whitmer, 72, of St. George, UT, passed away surrounded by love on Nov. 18, 2014.

David was preceded in death by two children, survived by two former wives, nine children and many loving grandchildren, great grandchildren, and brothers. David was a fun loving father, grandfather and friend.

David loved homing pigeons, horses, music, and practical jokes. He also enjoyed movies and reading. He made a good career out of building homes and being creative. He had a great sense of humor and loved making people laugh. He could tell fun stories for hours and enjoyed entertaining people. He will be deeply missed and loved always.

A memorial will be on Saturday, November 22, from 6:00 to 8:00 PM at Starks Funeral Parlor, 3651 South 900 East, Salt Lake City.

Published in Salt Lake Tribune on Nov. 20, 2014

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All Things New

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All Things New

Many standard religious writers preach against new things thinking that God is always the same. He may be the same in speaking of being consistent and dependable, but according to the scriptures he also does new things.

It may be true that we should not seek the new just because it is fashionable, but indeed we should seek the new.

The worst hell that there could be would be to reach a state where there are no new challenges, where we just rest in some type of eternal perfection forever. If such a thing were to happen our life would dissolve and we would disappear into non existence. Eternal life is only attained by a willingness to encounter eternal challenges.

“And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.” Revelation 21:5

“Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the days of old. Behold, I will do a NEW thing; now it shall spring forth….” (Isa 43:18-19)

We shall live in a new heaven, a new earth and a new city, but this is just the beginning. Everything will be new, improved and different when compared with today. These words are “true and faithful,” meaning we can depend on them coming to pass

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Revelation 21:6

In this new world all the good things that bring joy and happiness will be abundant and readily available. Money will no longer be necessary, for all the needs of humanity will be readily available and any services needed will be done by volunteers.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:7

If we overcome all things concerning the lower nature then we can qualify to live in this new heaven and new earth.

Meaning of the Word New

“And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.”

The word “new” here is translated from the Greek KAINOS which means “new – especially in freshness.”

Here are a couple other scriptures where new is translated from KAINOS:

“they put new wine into new (KAINOS) bottles, and both are preserved.” Matt 29:17

“And laid it in his own new (KAINOS) tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock” Matt 27:60

“And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new (KAINOS) doctrine is this?” Mark 1:27

The other scripture being from the Old Testament is translated from the Hebrew:

“Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the days of old. Behold, I will do a NEW thing; now it shall spring forth….” (Isa 43:18-19)

Here the word new is from CHADASH which is similar in meaning. Strong Concordance gives the literal meaning as, “new:—fresh, new thing.”

Here are a couple other places where CHADASH is used:

Now there arose up a new (CHADASH) king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.” Exodus 1:8

“When thou buildest a new (CHADASH) house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof,” Deut 22:8

“When a man hath taken a new (CHADASH) wife, he shall not go out to war,” Deut 24:5

Obviously the word “new” here implies that God is a lot like us in that he likes to do new things and just not repeat the same things over and over.

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Higher Realities

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April 12, 1999

Higher Realities

Question: So what is the higher octave of consciousness? What essence of us still exists in the Eternal Now where there is no time and space?

Rick is perhaps right here that “octave” is not an exact word for this question, but it is the closest I can think of. A higher octave in music is a fairly black and white thing. To reach the higher sound you just directly increase vibration. The response is a very predictable sound.

In speaking of evolution, the mystery of life, and the human spirit, there is often more involved than a simple increase in vibration. Instead the concept may involve a quantum leap of some kind and the results are more difﬁcult to predict.

The higher octave or leap may have some similarities with the lower, but also may have branches that seem totally unrelated. Sometimes these octaves or leaps may correspond more to the root of a tree compared to a trunk or the branches. They are related parts of the whole and have similarities, but differences too.

So what is the higher correspondence to consciousness then? If we had power to follow godlike lives to an existence where there is no consciousness as we know it because there is no time and space what in the world would be left?

The higher correspondent of consciousness, the root of the tree beyond time and space from which all consciousness time and space springs forth, is the Life Principle itself. This Life Principle is very closely related to the ﬁrst key which is that power within you that makes decisions. A major decision that the Life Principle makes as far we understand it is “to be or not to be,” within the words of time and space.

There are many lives who have decided “not to be” and look upon us as foolish to venture forth into these changeable worlds of time and space. On the other hand, we brave (or foolish from another viewpoint) who have ventured forth have the belief that going through these worlds of form and BECOMING what we decide to become will bring us an eternal enrichment that the other lives will not possess.

In this higher state where livingness depends on the Life Principle rather than consciousness, the lives exist in a state of “not being” and the entities are sometimes called the “Not Self.” They function through a higher form of thought in a world of ideas. To contact these lives and the ideas they project a person in this reality must suspend normal consciousness and thought.

This is why people like Einstein and Thomas Edison seemed very absent-minded at times. It has been a frequent occurrence in history that the great minds were thought to be somewhat backward because they seemed to have a difﬁcult time keeping their mind on the regular learning principle as teachers here understand it. A great inventor, songwriter, writer or other creative artist will often get his inspiration when his regular mind is in some type of suspension, and he tunes into a higher type of thinking by not thinking.

To tune into higher realities we must tune out the current reality to some degree. The process of seeing auras involves a process like this with the art of seeing. To see the aura of another you must go through the art of a process I have named “not seeing.”

Right after you are born as an infant you cannot see clearly for a few days. To see and make out images is one of the ﬁrst things you learn. Few realize that the ability to see is something we learn. The interesting thing is that to see many things that are normally invisible we must unlearn what we have learned about seeing and “not see.” When we unravel regular seeing then other things normally invisible comes into focus.

The ﬁrst time you catch a glimpse of an aura you will be startled by its beauty and rouse yourself to take a better look by “seeing.” The second you try and see it, the colors will immediately disappear. Instead you must let the aura manifest, and when it does, check yourself so you make absolutely no effort to see. When no effort is made to see then you will see that which was before invisible.

In addition to seeing auras through the process of “not seeing” you can see the etheric body, the energy ﬁeld that circulate around your body and the most difﬁcult of all, the auric ﬁlm which is egg shaped and circulates about an arm’s length from your body. On this ﬁlm is projected various thoughts represented in geometric forms.

Thus to see beyond the world of form we must suspend the seeing of form and go to the universe of inﬁnite ideas by not seeing, not thinking and not feeling. When our ATTENTION is shifted to this higher reality we become absent minded and tap into a higher mind. When we do tap into this higher universal mind we can then, though the medium of the soul, bring down into regular consciousness ideas that can become clothed in physical reality.

In the formless world of ideas you can travel from the idea of one galaxy to the idea of another galaxy in no time, but in this universe of time and space it may take several million years to get to another galaxy at the speed of light because the ideas of these two galaxies are clothed with time, space and consequently form.

There is much more that could be written on this subject. A few would ﬁnd it fascinating, but others may lose interest. The main point to learn from all this is that no matter how much we think we have everything ﬁgured out there will always be another step for us to take and there are steps above those steps. We live in a universe where progression is eternal and those who are on the Path realize that this is as it should be.

Now we shall shift our direction to the subject of the Christ and His “Second Coming,” and exactly who or what it is that is coming.

The coming of Christ is set to happen as not one great event, but in three stages. The ﬁrst stage is the implanting of the idea in the minds of, ﬁrst the spiritual teachers, and then of the general public of the concept we now know as the “Christ Consciousness.”

Questions: What is the Christ Consciousness and how successful has been the Brotherhood of Light in promoting this idea among humanity? Have they been successful enough so we can move to stage two? What do you suppose stage two is?

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End Time Prophesies

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April 11, 1999

End Time Prophesies

One of our new readers sent me some questions by e-mail and I thought I would post some of the answers here for the beneﬁt of all.

He thought that I was predicting the coming of Christ as being in 150 years so I responded as follows:

I did not mean to indicate to you that Jesus would come in 150 years. Let me quote from my writings:

“Providing that alternative two is successful it will still take about 150 years to successfully usher in the age of peace. But the main period of tension will be the next 30 years. During this time period the ﬁnal preparations will be made for the return of Christ.”

The preparations for the return of Christ should happen in the next thirty years. There is a high probability his coming will take place by the end of that time, around 2030. A good start on planetary peace should take place before He comes, but the New Age of peace will not be fully ushered in until around 2150 or so if things go as planned and I might note that because of human free will the best of plans do not always materialize as intended. This is why so many prophesies, even from inspired teachers, do not come true.

He writes:

“Is the Ancient of Days our father who Yahshua sits on the right hand of? Who has a Father above him, and one above him, and so on back to the Great Spirit Who Exists and Causes to Exist? I’ve also heard that the I AM That I Am, Is I Exist and Cause to Exist.”

Yes. The Ancient of days is the One, the main entity, who is referred to as the Father of the Spirits of this earth, but there is more to explain about the references of Jesus in relation to His Father that was in him. We will cover this mystery in future postings.

“Next if Yahshua isn’t coming for 150 years then what about all those prophesies: Israel becoming a nation again? Armageddon being fought in the valley of Megedo in Israel? Not in Europe WW1 & WW2. The 200 million man army of the Kings of the East that’s ready now. Earthquakes in diverse places, wars and rumors of ethnic wars, plagues, diseases, and famine all of these increasing in intensity like birth pangs which they have been doing in this century. The birth of the Kingdom on earth. His Return. Then it does say He will come for a Glorious Overcoming Church, which the main body of the church is far from. It could easily take 150 years to get these people’s thinking changed into an overcoming, light producing, and action taking mind set. Prepare the way so to speak.

“What about Revelations and the Seals and the Trumpets and the Bowls of judgment. A third of the earth being burned up. The trees. the grass, the people. The Mark of the Beast so no one can buy or sell without it. The 144,000 who are sealed like Ray in the forehead with the Father’s Name. The Comet Wormwood that’s cast into the sea and a third of the sea life dies. The astronomers say there is a comet headed on a collision course for earth. A famous remote viewer has foreseen a solar ﬂare series that scorches the earth and could easily wipe out a third of life on earth he says like in the book of Revelation. I have been bothered by it’s prophesies for years. To the point I’ve probably been held back for worrying about the future calamities. I know this was not to be its purpose to cause us to worry. More to enlighten us and guide us, maybe warn us, I don’t know and I need some answers. Which I know must come from within for the Kingdom of Heaven is in us. Maybe you could help clarify some of these issues.”

Answer: Some of these things we have talked about in earlier posts. We talked extensively about the Beast and the 144,000, the seal in the forehead etc. Basically we covered chapter thirteen verse by verse in detail. You might want to go back and read these early posts.

There are many other great and terrible prophesies in the book, but there are several things one needs to understand as the world anticipates the fulﬁllment of these prophesies.

The ancient Jews have this belief about the scriptures. They believed that the inspired word of God had three levels of interpretation. They called it the body, soul and spirit of the scriptures. Actually they could more accurately be named physical, astral and mental.

Now all scriptures and prophesies are fulﬁlled on at least one of these levels, often on two levels and sometimes on all three levels. If mankind learns the lesson of the prophesy after the fulﬁllment on the mental level then it does not need to descend to the astral level. If it does descend to the astral or emotional level, and the lesson is learned there, then it does not have to descend to the physical plane.

The story of Jonah was written in particular to help us understand this principle. Jonah did not want to obey the voice of God and go to Nineveh because they were a bloodthirsty people and he feared that he may suffer a terrible death at their hands. Therefore he tried to escape his mission.

God wanted the job done so he had Jonah swallowed by a giant ﬁsh which spit him up on the shores of Nineveh. Since the reluctant prophet ﬁgured he could not get out of the job he acquiesced, went into the city, and declared a bold prophesy to the people: He told them that forty days would not pass before the city of Nineveh would be destroyed. (Jonah 3:4)

After this he went outside the city to wait for the physical destruction to happen, but something else happened instead. The people of Nineveh were touched by the warning of Jonah and experienced a change in their hearts and minds. In other words, the people of this city were destroyed on the mental and emotional levels. They changed their heats and minds so Nineveh, the feared city that sacriﬁced their children to the Gods ceased to exist and a kinder gentler city emerged. Because the prophesy was fulﬁlled on the higher levels we are told that “God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them, and he did it not.” Jonah 3:10

Now the interesting thing is that Jonah had quite a bit of pride and was fully expecting his prophesy to come true. I’m sure he was going to throw around a lot of “I told you sos.” But when he saw that God had changed his mind he was extremely upset, so much so that he told God he did not want to live any more. He would rather die than be ridiculed as a false prophet.

The book ends up with God reasoning with Jonah by telling him that he was being more concerned with own ego than with the lives of the 60,000 people who were saved from destruction. He should have been happy, not sad that the lives of so many were saved.

The interesting thing about today is that the world is full of religious Jonahs who are eagerly awaiting the prophecies of destruction to occur. These people can’t wait for God to come in his ﬁerce wrath and burn the wicked as stubble. The wicked, of course, are those who do not conform to their own interpretation of scripture.

These people can’t wait for a beastly dictator, worse than Hitler, to show up and plant some computer chip or bar code in people’s heads or right hands. They rejoice when they see famine, war and pestilence as a sign that the end is at hand. The actually look forward to the sea and the rivers becoming as blood, the light of the sun becoming darkened, a great plague of locusts, the death of all life in the sea and a great comet called Wormwood falling on the earth. In addition to the Biblical prophesies there are others who are looking forward to saying “I told you so” about Y2K, earth changes, economic collapse or some banking conspiracy.

Not all, but many of the devoutly religious care more about these prophesies coming literally to pass on the physical plane than they do about the lives and souls of the people who would undergo immense suffering under these conditions. They need to remember the words of Jesus to James and John as they eagerly expected Jesus to destroy his enemies: “For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” Luke 9:56

After the new millennium is come in and a decade or so has passed some will become disappointed and even angry that all the prophesies have not come literally to pass, that the world is actually going to hold together as we go into the next thousand years. They will fail to realize that all the prophesies have come true on higher levels and many of them have fulﬁlled their purpose and need not manifest literally on the physical plane just as Nineveh was not literally destroyed.

When Christ does return he will not slay the wicked in a physical sense with the breath of His lips, but His words will slay the wicked thoughts of men and put such thoughts in their proper place which is the bottomless pit of illusion.

(Note: Since writing this post I have written an entire book explaining the book of Revelation. It is called The Unveiling.)

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The Sum of the Parts

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April 10, 1999

The Sum of the Parts

Sharri makes an interesting point: “I’ve Heard the Heartbeat of the Mother Earth & it is about every 4th downbeat of drumbeats that the Natives Dance & Chant to. When you go to Sacred Spots, especially where the Lei Lines intersect, it is Possible to Hear the Heartbeat of Mother Earth in Meditation. So, yes, the Sense of Time & Consciousness does have to be altered, but not so much that it is out of our every day capabilities. Or are you talking about something altogether different???? But, when you said Heartbeat of the Earth, I’ve Heard a Deﬁnite Pulse & it’s not that slow.”

I said the heartbeat of the earth is approximately one year, yet Sharri detects a pulse every 4th downbeat. What is correct?

Since there is no way to know the truth here by just declaring it, the best thing to do is to use the law of correspondences or “as above so below” and vice versa. This is not an exact law, but it can lead us to many truths.

The average life span of a human is around 78 years. Some teachers have said that if we lived in the best of conditions and ate the best of foods we could live to the age of 144. If we lived to be 144 years old we would live through 4,541,184,000 seconds or heartbeats of a person in peak physical condition.

It is an interesting correspondence that the life span of the earth is estimated to be around four and a half billion years. Therefore, if the earth’s heart beats once a year then it would live through a similar number of heartbeats of a human in optimum condition.

If this correspondence is correct then what is the pulse that Sharri detected? The clue here lies in her statement that sensitive people can detect these pulses in sacred spots where energy lines intersect. What is the correspondence in the human body to the sacred spots of the earth? In general these spots in the human body are acupuncture points which are also created through the intersection of numerous lines of energy.

Now let us take a trip and visualize yourself shrinking down until you are the size of an amoeba. Now you are this size you land on the acupuncture point of a human being. After you make this landing time is slowed down so it takes a whole year of your consciousness for this human’s heart to beat once. Now your time and size has been greatly altered you tune into the energy of this point where you ﬁnd yourself. Even though time is slowed down and you cannot detect the heartbeat there is a pulse that you do sense. It is the movement of the energy lines that meet and pulsate. In this time frame it would seem quite similar to a heartbeat.

Even so it is with the earth. When we go to its acupuncture points we can pick up electrical pulses that pulsate something like a heartbeat. A sensitive person can pick up additional pranic energy through this and gain some renewal of strength.

Glenys questions the idea that the earth is not as evolved on its plane as man is on his. Isn’t the whole greater than the sum of its parts? This concept will be expounded on in a future Immortal book, (See The Immortal, Book 4) but I will say a few things here. The smaller you go in size the higher the evolution is within that plane.

Consider the atom. The tiny lives that make up the oxygen atom, for instance, create each oxygen atom in the universe after a perfect pattern so they are all extremely close to being the same. The tiny lives that hold these atoms together have discovered what works and what does not work to the extent that they all follow the same path of creation.

In the vegetable kingdom the ﬂowers of the planet are much more evolved in their plane than humans are on their plane.

But does this mean that atoms and ﬂowers are greater lives than the human? No. The human is far from the end of his evolution. Because of this we can advance our own evolution through the study of nature and the atomic world, but because we are a greater life form the human will eventually display all the intelligence of all the lives in nature and then some.

When we reach the end of our evolution we will indeed seem to possess the power of the Gods in relation to any other life form, but we still have a long way to go.

The planets lag behind man in evolution in their sphere and the star systems lag behind the planets, then too, the galaxies lag behind the stars. When the greater lives reach the end of their evolution they will indeed display their greater abilities, but the key of knowledge here is that the evolution of the greater is dependent on the successful evolution of the lesser.

The earth must await the successful evolution of man before it can manifest its destiny. The sun must await the evolution of its planets before it can likewise manifest its destiny and so on.

The whole will be greater than the sum of the parts, but ﬁrst the parts must BECOME to the point of being in working order.

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The Higher Octave

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April 10, 1999

The Higher Octave

Excellent posts today my friends. I must single out Samu for his ﬁne post and suggest you all reread it. I can tell he has been doing some serious thinking here and keeping his mental wheels well lubricated.

He stated: “Well, in physical world we have decision, action based on this decision, reaction to the action (can be seen as feedback to the word said out loud echoing back) and then making of a new decision based on contemplating the information that the result of the previous decision gave us and ‘steering the wheel of manifesting’ in the desired direction and on and on. Since our human conscious perception lags about 1/60 of a second behind the real present, what we are experiencing is the aftermath of the decisions made. Now, if we were able to perceive the real present, it seems to me that it would mean that the process of becoming with decisive direction would cease to exist, because we’d only be seeing the now, and there’d be no new now being created…”

Anni also gives us some good wisdom:

“Seeing in the present would let us see everything from another perspective – “in one picture”, so in a way the physical universe would disappear as we know it now.”

It is an interesting thought, is it not, that we never really register an event the instant it occurs. It takes a sixtieth of a second to perceive it and a heartbeat to register it.

What is consciousness as we understand it in this reality? It is created by focusing our attention on quantums of time and space passing by our perceptions. These quantums are the result of decisions made somewhere.

Seeing the present would be the same thing as making time stand still. All of our perceptions as we understand perception are de=pendent on time and space. Thus if we were able to see the real present, the universe as we know it would disappear. All form in the universe is created by vibration. If we were to see the real present we would perceive no vibration; therefore, we would perceive no form; thus we would perceive no thing.

If therefore we could exist in the Eternal Now where there is no time, space, consciousness or form, what have we? We have the higher octave of consciousness. So what is the higher octave of consciousness? What essence of us still exists in the Eternal Now where there is no time and space?

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Direction

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April 9, 1999

Direction

I was asked to explain more about time and space as entities.

When I mentioned that we are like slugs trying to understand the Theory of Relativity in attempting to fully understand some of these higher concepts I was including myself with that slug population. I cannot give you everything, but I can give you some things that may at least stimulate some thought.

The beginning of all creation always starts with the One becoming the Three. In the Bible the originating Trinity is called the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. A correspondent to the Trinity as far as this physical universe is concerned is Direction (Father/Mother) Space (Son/Daughter) and Time (Holy Ghost)

The originating great reﬂection of the One is Direction or Purpose. There are six major directions in space. They are East, West, North, South, Up and Down. If we take the variances possible the number of directions become unlimited.

Direction is generally represented in time as only twofold. One direction is the past and the other is the future. But because we have an unlimited number of choices available in the future and had the same number in the past the possible directions of Time in connection with Space also is unlimited.

All direction is created by DECISION and all DECISION originates from some Life. Because Time and Space have direction we know that they are vehicles in use by one who Decides. The Universal Entity that occupies time and space over billions of galaxies is beyond the imagination of the highest Master who is merely beginning to understand the Purpose of the Logos of our tiny solar system.

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Keys to Liberation

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March 1, 2017

Keys to Liberation

The various religions have different ideas of salvation. The most popular one for Christians is that we will be saved if we merely believe in the right version of Jesus. If you accept the wrong version then you will go to hell.

If you ask them what they are to be saved from they’ll usually just say hell.

It is pretty vague exactly what heaven and hell are except that hell is bad and heaven is good.

Other Christians require more than a mere belief and demand members do good works in addition to believing in their version of Jesus.

The Mormons place a somewhat different idea as to our fate. They think that all but a small handful that sin against the Holy Ghost will be saved and go to a place better than this present world. The goal for good Mormons is to be exalted. In this state they will still have sex and family relationships and can progress to become like God. To be exalted they have to go through the temple and keep all the commandments given though the prophet.

Those of us who study the Ancient Wisdom and accept reincarnation rarely use the word salvation. Instead we use the term liberation.

Actually, liberation is closer than salvation to the original Greek word used in the days of Jesus. The word “saved” comes from SOZO which is “to save or deliver.” The similar word “salvation” comes from SOTERIA which is more correctly rendered “deliverance” or “rescue.”

A liberation is very close in meaning to a deliverance. Our goal is to learn all the needed lessons of mortal life through a series of incarnations. When finished we will graduate from the earth school and be liberated from the need of further lessons here. We can then go on to even greater challenges and fulfillment.

Today I’ll present a question for consideration.

How far will a regular religion take the pilgrim toward liberation?

Let us suppose that Jim believes in Jesus, does good works and obeys all the commandments that come down the pike. He does everything he is told to do in his religion.

How far down he path of liberation will this take him? What is his next step likely to be? What additional steps will he need to take to obtain liberation?

March 2, 2017

The First Three Steps to Liberation

Good comments on liberation my friends.

Adrian says that “Liberation is a never ending process.” Very true statement. All of us high and low are seeking to learn more and gain more power so limitations can be removed. The tricky thing is that sometimes the path to the next step of liberation is much different than appears.

Next Adrian says: “Religions can take one so far, then the soul will sense there is more to be had. I consider most earthly religions are akin to kindergarten – they serve a useful purpose but one would be bored if one stayed there beyond the end of term.”

This is a problem that many thinking people have with religion. No matter which church you go to the sermons and Sunday School lessons pretty much repeat the same basic things over and over.

I didn’t attend church until I was thirteen. The reason was not that I was a non believer, but church just bored me silly. Finally, at that age I started attending because of a sense of duty. Then, around age 16, I read the scriptures for the first time and found them very fascinating and thought to myself,” How can church be so boring when they have such great material as a base? Do the members even read them?”

The problem that came later after I absorbed the scriptures, church history and the best from authorities in my religion was that I hungered for more and at that point there was nothing more for me. I found myself on my own to search within as well as without and to my delight I found there is more to learn than I imagined.

Shakespeare was certainly correct when he said:

“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

Then Bryan gave an amusing account of what may be the result of religious people’s own thoughtforms as they go to their self created heaven or hell. It kind of reminded me of the Twilight Zone episode when the guy died and thought he was in heaven, but later found out he was really in hell.

Ruth mentions the important point that the authority of the beast must be overcome. Good points were also made by Olivia, Tom and Jason.

As students who have been with me know there are three major hurdles that must be crossed before one can really be saved, or have his calling and election made sure.

In speaking of this attainment I am talking about the seeker reaching a point on the path where he is no longer in danger of retrogression but will receive a “Well done, good and faithful servant” when crossing the veil at death.

This point of attainment is much more difficult than believed by church goers. Just going to church, being a decent person and following the rules is at best a beginning step.

There are three hurdles that must be mastered before our Higher Self and Higher Lives will see the seeker as one that can be trusted to not backslide, or choose a dark path.

The first is the pull we receive from the material world that diverts our attention way from Spirit. This deceptive pull is called maya in the Ancient Wisdom.

In this cycle, consisting of many lifetimes of learning, the seeker must master and control the pull of sexual attraction and learn to not misuse these energies. He must also learn the right use of money, possessions and material things. His use of them should not be for purely selfish purposes and he will follow a harmless path as he seeks to provide himself and loved ones with the necessities of life. He must learn to value things of the spirit above the material and when he reaches a point of attainment in this cycle he will have a spiritual experience that will give him great encouragement to keep moving forward upon the path. This experience often convinces the seeker that salvation is secure, but he still has a long way to go.

In the next cycle he learns to master his emotional self, his ego and all the glamours associated with them.

In the third cycle he learns to master the mind and use it to unravel illusion to see a reality not obscured by fog. He learns to be guided by reason and wisdom tempered by basic common sense as it applies to his purpose in life.

Work in these three spheres of mastery may overlap, but one will always master the first before the second and the second before the third.

Question:

How much mastery in the three areas can one accomplish in a religion? What must be accomplished outside of an organized religion?

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March 3, 2017

The Three Guardians

The door to liberation is protected by three guardians that must be mastered before the disciple can pass through into true spiritual vision.

The first is an extremely handsome man, who does everything in his power to divert the seeker’s attention away from the door through the use of vast material powers. He will use beauty, sex, money and power all placed in locations far away from the door so attention will be on them, keeping the door away from the angle of vision.

The second is a beautiful woman who puts the sirens of Ulysses to shame. She deceives through the distortion of love, emotion, feeling and authority. She deceives the seeker into thinking that love has elements of possession and selfishness. She directs the attention away from the door by causing him to love his own ego first while professing the love of Christ. Because his ego comes first his motives are built around its satisfaction. He is deceived into thinking he is more important than he is, smarter than he is, more popular than he is, more loved than he is, stronger than he is and more. He draws to himself friends who feed his ego and continue to take his attention away from the door.

The third guardian is a master magician who directs the seeker away from the door with trickery and illusion. The magician causes the seeker to see things that are not there or to not see correctly see what is in front of him. Worst of all, he sees the door where it is not and nothing where the door really is.

This final guardian will require the seeker to use all the powers of mind, reason and intuition to unravel all of his tricks.

In a nutshell, to pass by these three guardians the seeker must overcome the attractiveness of materialism, master the emotional self and assume the full power of the mind to see through illusion to behold the real door.

How far can an organized religion take the seeker in his quest to pass by the three guardians?

Actually some that make significant demands on the followers assist with the first step. Self-control is needed to master the first guardian and it takes significant amount of it to be a good member of many of them. They will demand such things as:

To be a faithful mate

Various degrees of prescribed sexual behavior, some of which mar require significant discipline.

Giving money to the church. Some require 10% or more. It indeed takes some control of self to part with one’s money.

Various demands on what to eat and drink. Mormons, for instance, are forbidden to smoke, drink alcoholic beverages, tea and coffee. Muslims and Jews do not eat pork. Some religions do not allow any meat consumption.

Many religions advocate some form of fasting or giving up something desired.

They make demands of the member’s time through church attendance and various assignments given.

Overall a religion and give the seeker some structure to his life and assist in developing self discipline which is needed to defeat the first guardian.

Even if his path takes him away from his religion he can still take with him the virtue of self-control. The main difference is he will then decide what needs controlled rather than church authorities doing it for him.

So, how about the other two guardians? Is the religion of any assistance here? It may help a little with the second if the member takes to heart teachings of brotherly love. Loving your neighbor as yourself takes attention away from the ego. A problem though is many who are not members of a religion believe that the religious ones show no more love to their neighbors than they do.

This may be true in many cases, but some members do take teachings concerning love to heart and this will help them on their journey.

A religion can often add to the problems of defeating the second guardian by feeding his ego with a feeling of self importance because he is righteous, saved, had spiritual experiences, or is special in some way.

Religion is of zero help in aiding in the seeker’s mastery of illusion as there is much illusion in the religion itself. The only way one can say that it is of assistance in mastering the third guardian is that the religion itself is an illusive maze that challenges the seeker. If he figures a way out of its prison he has taken a major step to overcoming other illusions.

An organized religion can assist with overcoming the first guardian, but the seeker is pretty much on his own in mastering the other two. His thinking that he is saved, or on the way to an exclusive heaven, is generally based on an illusion that is holding him hostage to the second and third guardians holding him back from real deliverance.