Series: 2014

Aug 16, 2014

Glory to God

Greg:

As a former Mormon, I share the story in Moses 4:1 where God talks about Satan (I think we could place the title of beast in place of the name of Satan)

with the beast (Satan) saying “Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.” What the beast yearns for is glory. There is great power yielded unto him when we fail to give glory unto him whom glory should be given.

JJ

Good point Greg. The Beast seeks glory where glory is not deserved and does everything possible to direct glory away from the greatest source there is which is God which is within us.

Aug 16, 2014

Auras of the Stars

We were talking the other day about original writings not found anywhere else and it was pointed out that we have quite a few of them available on the Keys. Even though just about every subject you can think of can be found on Google we have still managed to present new ones here as well as give new perspectives on old ones.

Today I thought I would write about a subject I haven’t seen even mentioned anywhere else and this surprises even me for I am amazed this knowledge didn’t come to me sooner, let alone others.

As most of you know I have taught a number of classes on how to see etheric body, as well as the human aura and the outer film that encompasses each individual.

I had a strong interest for a couple years in developing this extra vision in my younger days. Back in the Seventies I practiced regularly and got pretty good at seeing that which is normally invisible. Then when I discovered that I could intuitively pick up what I needed with a lot less effort I switched my attention to a different level.

Because I no longer practice regularly my auric vision is not as potent as it used to be, but it is still available when I concentrate. However, my sensitivity seems to come in waves. Sometimes I can see a lot clearer than other times.

Well, the other night I seemed to be in the middle of a sensitive cycle and took a walk outside about 2 AM when the stars were out. I like looking up at the heavens for it fills me with wonder at the majesty of creation and the glory of God.

As I was looking up at the stars I focused for a moment on one of average brightness and contemplated it as the center of a whole solar system like ours, probably teaming with life of some kind.

Then suddenly, I thought I saw something. I blinked my eyes and looked again. Then an amazing thought entered my head which was this: “It is common knowledge that humans have beautiful auras, but stars are living things also. If we have auras then shouldn’t they have them as well?”

Then I thought to myself how much sense that made as it also fit in with the Law of Correspondences. Why hadn’t I thought of this before? Well, I thought of it at this time so I decided to go with it and focused again on that little point of light to discover whether I could see it’s aura, of which I seemed to catch a quick glimpse.

As I focused with concentrated effort it’s beautiful aura flashed into view and what amazed me was how large it was. The human astral aura stretches out about as far as you can stretch your arm, but this star’s aura reached outward billions of times its own diameter. It reached out so far that its aura interplayed with the auras of other stars.

DK says that when he looks at he night sky it is full of light to him because he sees what most people do not. I always thought he was talking about invisible etheric planets, but maybe not. Now I know that the heavens are full of light and the little dots we call stars and just a very small portion of what they represent. If we could see it all we would see the heavens full of the life force of the stars and galaxies all interplaying with each other in the dance and music of the heavens. I had heard teachings that the various heavenly bodies had relationships but know I knew of the reality and that the apparent trillions of miles of empty space between stars is not empty after all but filled with beautiful light and life.

I’m not an artist so I can’t draw what I saw so I thought I would find the closest thing observed by the Hubble Telescope to give you a rough idea.

The closest thing to what I saw was not a picture of a star but of a galaxy composed of billions of stars. To get an idea visualize the point at the center of the picture below as a single star and the rest as the aura and you’ll get the general idea of how a typical star would look if you could see its aura.

LINK

In fact, if any members of the group are sensitive they might try to see what I did. Go outside at night and pick out a star and look at it for a few moments, looking slightly away from it from time to time. If you see anything unusual post it here.

I also looked at the moon, but since it is a dying body its aura was not that strong, though it still has a weak one. We are too close to the sun to see it’s aura but I have looked straight at the sun from time to time and have seen a moving changing symbol in it that is very difficult to see correctly because of its movement. It is a little like a Star of David changing into different geometric forms.

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I came across an interesting statement by DK where he gives some light on the stars and the sharing of their auras. He talks about:

“the method of understanding the song of life. As the “stars sing together,” as the “chant of the Gods” peals forth in the great choir of the Heavens, it produces a corresponding colour symphony.” TCF Pg 1256

Aug 17, 2014

Analysis

Well, I’ve just endured another round of conflict over at Allan’s forum. I must like punishment to have participated again, but it started off innocently enough. One of the members claimed to have remembered a past life where Stephen was a notorious Inquisitor who put the righteous to death and was attempting to make up for it in this life.

I thought that was a pretty outrageous accusation. I was planning on staying away from the forum but decided I should defend Stephen. I decided to defend him as kindly as possible and use Allan’s teachings in doing so. Here is what I wrote to Stephen on Allan’s forum:

“It would seem to me from Allan’s teachings that it would have been impossible for you to have reincarnated from one of these bad guys. Allan says that such people do not reincarnate. The only ones that do are those who have merged with the soul, like James, the brother of Jesus. Therefore, if you go by Allan’s writings, you should have no concern about being one of those undesirables in the past.”

That sounds logical doesn’t it? If Stephen is a unique entity projected by his soul and is here as the first time as Stephen (according to Allan) then he should have no worries about paying off debts from a past life that did not even exist. I figured this should be accepted as I was cooperating with Allan’s views in my conclusion.

If I thought this would just be accepted, and the group would sing Kumbaya, then I was mistaken for they saw this answer as highly offensive. First I was asked to prove where Allan taught such a thing. This perplexed me because he taught this often.

Here was my answer:

Here is a quote that made me think that Allan’s teachings would convey the idea that a killer from a past life would not reincarnate as Stephen:

Contrary to Eastern dogma and the New Age concept of reincarnation, the soul or soul-self does not enter into this world — but rather, what enters into the body-vessel at conception is an embryonic image of the higher soul-self — i.e., “…But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die nor become manifest, how much you will have to bear!” And these images which failed to become manifest do not reincarnate — neither do they go to Glory as the Christians believe — but rather, as images that failed to attain the next level of birth, they remain within the Matrix of the Soul.

LINK

It sure sounds to me that a murderer and literalist from the past would qualify as a failed image “which failed to become manifest do not reincarnate.” Therefore, the image which is now Stephen could not have been the same as a failed image that did not reincarnate.

And yes, I understand Allan’s teachings about the Higher Self putting out many “embryonic images of the higher soul-self.” But if one of the bad guy images does not reincarnate then Stephen could not be that bad guy image reincarnated, even if the two have the same Higher Self. It would certainly appear that from what Allan says that Stephen would bear no karma from a failed image of the past that was not him.

Next Allan accused me of finding fault with the teachings of the higher reality of the soul and it went down hill from there. I tried to be as pleasant and courteous as possible for the next couple days where I spent most of my free time answering questions, handling accusations and straightening out wrong interpretations of my words and beliefs.

They were really upset last time that I posted some of their dialog here so in the interests of peace I will not do it this time. Suffice it to say that as the dialog continued their outrage at me just continued to grow. Finally, we reached a point where the dialog, questions, accusations etc were repeating, often more than once.

I came to the conclusion that I was wasting my time as they did not want to resolve or understand anything I was saying, but just wanted to catch me saying any small detail that could definitely be proved wrong. I know, many of you could have told me I was wasting my time, but I felt it was the right thing to do to defend Stephen from such an outrageous public statement and got sucked back in from there.

This time I have decided to not respond there no matter how much they misrepresent me or someone else, unless I am totally moved on by my soul.

Now that I have had a few days to relax from their negativity I have been reflecting on this whole affair and the root cause.

What do the other guys think?

They think I am mean and just bent on attacking Allan. But if you read our dialog you’ll see that I have not initiated any attacks. Most of what they consider an attack is merely me answering their questions or responding to their attacks or misrepresentations toward me.

On reflection I have come up with an interesting insight as to why Allan and his group are so highly offended at me, and some of you.

The core reason goes back to my original post that caught their attention. They interpreted it as an attack on Allan, some even saying I called him a liar.

But was it an attack on Allan?

No.

It was the beginning of a discussion as to the validity of one of his teachings.

So here’s what happened. Allan and his group saw a discussion of one of his teachings as a personal attack on him.

I think Keys members can readily see that this would not occur with the Keys group. Outsiders can discuss what they think of any of my teachings and none of us will take any offense. If someone doesn’t think the Molecular Relationship is a correct idea, none of us will see this as an attack on me.

On the other hand, most offense Allan and his group have had toward us isn’t because we attack anyone personally, but merely because we disagree on teachings.

I maintain that if Allan’s group would have merely allowed us to discuss and analyze Allan’s teachings without taking offense then this great rift would not have occurred for we do not take offense if anyone analyses any teaching here, neither are we offended if someone does not believe what I teach.

Question:

Why are Allan’s group offended when Allan’s teachings are analyzed or disagreed with? Why do we have no problem with such things?

What is the core difference between the two groups?

Below is the original post that was considered highly offensive. Notice the only objective was to discuss the teaching, not attack a person.

The Original Post

One of his (Allan’s) core teachings is that the scriptures are not literally true but written as allegories with hidden symbolic messages that will be understood by the enlightened.

This is not a new teaching as many people think the Bible is not history but stories of fiction designed to present teachings of some kind. Some see the scriptures as presenting simple things while others see deep hidden meanings.

If the scriptures are truly fiction this means that whoever wrote them created a lie for, unlike Jesus presenting parables, and me The Immortal series, they have been presented as true history and in most cases the writers would have known that the narrative wasn’t true.

Questions:

(1) Does this make sense to you?

(2) Would a truly enlightened teacher use such deception?

(3) Are there hidden meanings in the scriptures?

(4) Do you know of any useful knowledge anyone has derived from fiction presented as historical fact?

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IamAHebrew writes:

Shalom JJ, I wrote that post and then deleted it, but apparently, the delete button doesn’t truly delete. I have a lot of respect for Allan and how he has dealt with me over the years,

JJ

Sorry, I didn’t realize you had deleted the post. It showed up in my email but not on the forum and I thought Yahoo was playing tricks on us again.

I am amazed that Allan’s forum talks about you like you were a big problem. You seem very respectful.

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lwk

Don’t know about others, but it seems to me that the built in editor in Yahoo Groups used to create replies is not working very well. What you get after you post can be significantly different after you post it?

JJ

The only way I seem to be able to get my posts to look the way I want is to format them first in Microsoft Word and cut and paste. The problem seemed to start when you wondered why I didn’t use paragraphs – which i did and Yahoo took them out. Hopefully, they’ll fix this problem. I’m glad I’m not the only one having it.

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A Big Clue

Allan writes on his forum:

So, when JJ asks the question: “Would a truly enlightened teacher use such deception?” He is posing this question from the perception of liner-bound blindness. Which means that his true problem with me, is that I reject the burka he is trying to impose upon me. Moreover, I am very much the voice of his higher soul-self attempting to open his mind to the reality portrayed above in the Gospel of Thomas.

Question:

What does this t

ell you about the difference between Allan and I as teachers?

(Oh, I forgot; he thinks it requires a big ego to refer to oneself as a teacher. He likes to just call himself “the prophet” instead.)

Aug 18, 2014

Voice of the Higher Self

One2 quoting Allan

“Moreover, I am very much the voice of his higher soul-self attempting to open his mind to the reality portrayed above in the Gospel of Thomas.”

Is he serious?

If he is the voice of your higher soul self, then that makes you his lower shadow self puppet?

That explains everything now.

It is not The Prophet…….It is the Puppet Master at work!

JJ

I’m surprised we didn’t receive more comment on this. It is one of the clearest statements I have seen of one individual attempting to shift the attention of another from his own inner God or Higher Self to an outside source.

Yeah, I think I prefer to listen to my own Higher Self rather than someone else’s version. And this is also the way I teach. I never tell the group that they must believe me or follow me because my God Within is right or I am in contact with the true source and they obviously are not or they would agree with me.

Instead, I give out the teachings and those who are ready can verify them for themselves without my help.

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Allan:

In JJ’s own words (see below): I maintain that if Allan’s group would have merely allowed us to discuss and analyze Allan’s teachings without taking offense then this great rift would not have occurred for we do not take offense if anyone analyses any teaching here, neither are we offended if someone does not believe what I teach. Well, here it is — i.e., an analysis of the differences between the original suppressed teachings of Jesus as set forth in the Gospel of Thomas and explained, explored and proven in what I write, in relation to the teachings of JJ…

JJ

Completely untrue Allan. You have not analyzed my view of reincarnation nor any other concept I teach. Just declaring what I teach to be wrong and what you teach as right is not an analysis. It is a declaration of your own belief.

If you want to analyze something I teach bring up some actual words I have written and then analyze. Putting words in my mouth is not analysis.

And things are not black and white. Discovering light in the written word does not involve a choice between writings you designate and everything else. There is truth to be found in many different writings and if one achieves soul contact he can have the power to recognize truth when he sees it.

By the way, I am already in touch with my Higher Self and live a consecrated life so it looks like the problem you see for me is solved.

Aug 18, 2014

The Beast 106.1

Assignment:

Contemplate what the wording of the most powerful political thoughtform would be and submit it to the group.

JJ

I though Dan gave a pretty accurate one. He said:

“Man is a selfish, greedy, willful warmonger that requires a strong central authority to constantly crack the whip or all would be laid to waste.”

Perhaps we could reduce it even more by saying this:

“Man is irresponsible and must be controlled for his own good.”

There are lots of other thoughtforms out there besides those of religion and politics, as One2 pointed out. There are thoughtforms governing every department of life and are so pervasive as to make any dictatorship look weak by comparison.

Let us examine one at a time. Several powerful thoughtforms govern health care. One2 guessed their thoughtform was “must have injections or medicines etc.”

That is one of the results of the core thoughtform, but not the thoughtform itself. If you were to encapsulate a wording that would describe the directions people follow as if their doctors are outer gods – what would it be?

And how about people who reject all modern medicine. Are they governed by a thoughtform? If so what is it?

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Robert says he is reminded of the scripture: “Am I now your enemy because I have told you the Truth?”

JJ

Well, then according to your thinking, since I do not see you as an enemy then you must not have told me the truth.

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Robert takes a stab at the on topic questions. We would encourage any of Allan’s group here to participate on topic rather than switching to explaining their method of salvation. We have heard this many times and get the idea behind it.

The Question:

Why are Allan’s group offended when Allan’s teachings are analyzed or disagreed with?

Robert:

Nothing could be further from the truth.

JJ

It is amazing that you say this when it is extremely obvious that your group was highly offended. I’m sure I could come up with a lot of quotes where your group certainly sounded offended. Here is an exact quote from Allan right after I made the post:

“Before I even made my first post across the forum, I was attacked by JJ”

It is obvious that Allan thinks that a logical discussion of a doctrine that he believes in is the same as a personal attack on him. This belief is pure illusion.

Robert:

Allan truthfully answers every question asked of him…

JJ

Wow. Where have you been? While I have answered hundreds of questions from your group he has rarely answered any. Here are several he has not answered:

(1) What do you believe to be the true story of the death and resurrection of Jesus?

(2) Give me the tenth word of the original Gospel of Matthew which you claim you wrote and remember.

(3) Give us examples of truth hidden in allegory in the New Testament, not counting the parables.

(4) What are the details of your technique which takes people into past lives and contacts the Higher Self?

(5) Allan says Jesus helped him write the original gospel. Did this happen before there was even a crucifixion or resurrection? In what time frame did this happen?

(6) Did the writers of the New Testament scripture intentionally write in people, events and history into them that did not occur as events in this physical reality?

Remember we are not talking about allegorical truth here so answer this. Would such writings be fiction or non fiction, historically true or not true?

(7) Is the intentional presentation of information you know to be not true, as if it were true, a lie or not?

(8) What did Jesus look like?

These are just a few. How you can say that Allan answers questions is strange indeed.

Robert:

and has done an amazing job making the incomprehensible comprehensible in this age.

JJ

I’d say it is more like making the comprehensible incomprehensible as he keeps telling us that the true reality cannot be put in words and the words he does use takes us in circles.

Second Question

Why do we have no problem with such things?

Robert:

Really??? What I pasted in and highlighted above surely suggests otherwise!

JJ

Nothing you highlighted shows anything like that. For instance, my problem with the accusation of Stephen being a murderer in a past life had nothing to do with teachings of past lives or karma, which I have no problem discussing, but with picking on a specific individual and making an accusation with no proof.

You cannot find one teaching that I give that would offend me if your group discussed. On the other hand, Allan and the group were highly offended that we discussed the idea of presenting false history as true for the sake of revealing truth.

Question Three

What is the core difference between the two groups?

Robert:

Allan is a Shepherd who guides seekers to find the True Prophet within as Yeshua commanded us to do. This forum is led by a teacher who asks questions and expects his students to repeat his words back to him. Then either a “Good Student” or “Well Done” compliment can be issued or the student can be further instructed to see things the teachers way.

JJ

Allan is a shepherd all right, but one who claims we should follow him, not because his teachings ring true, but because he was the brother of Jesus in a past life and he has merged with his Higher Self, and thus any disagreement with him has to be wrong. His actual words confirm this, “Moreover, I (Allan) am very much the voice of his (JJs) higher soul-self .” This attitude leads followers away from the true teacher within.

And, as usual, you do your best to mischaracterize me. When I ask questions members often give good answers that are different than I had thought of, which contribute to the understanding of the whole. At the conclusion I give my view which members can take or leave. Generally members like this process better than me just posting teachings because they get to participate – yet you find fault with such a beneficial process.

Aug 19, 2014

The Beast and Healthcare

The Question:

If you were to encapsulate a wording that would describe the directions people follow as if their doctors are outer gods – what would it be?

JJ

Olivia was the only one who took a stab at the actual question. She said, “blind adherence to a belief.” Now this idea runs through the general tactic of the Beast in using all governing thoughtforms, but is not a thoughtform itself. Remember that a thoughtform used by the Beast is a computer program that enters the mind like a virus and takes over to the extent that the victim thinks it is he who is doing the thinking when it is the program.

The key is that the thoughtform must be accepted into the brain to have an effect. Remember we are told that all but a few accepted and worshipped the Beast.

But who is there among us who would accept the idea of being a blind follower?

None. No matter how blind the follower he doesn’t think he is following blindly, but always believes he is using his own mind.

So what is the thoughtform then that people willingly accept for their healthcare?

It is basically this old aphorism:

“The doctor knows best.”

I’d guess that well over 80% of the population are governed by this thoughtform which is widely used by the Beast.

Does this mean that the few who are not governed by this will reject all the advice of their doctor?

No. If you are thinking in this direction then you are lacking in understanding of how to escape the mark of the Beast.

He who does not have the mark and listens to the Inner Voice above the outer ones will take into consideration the advice of doctors and other educated authorities, but at the same time they are hearing advice they are running it by he Inner Spirit and coming to their own conclusion. That conclusion may be to accept the doctor’s advice, or it may be to reject it. He who does not have the mark will not automatically accept the advice of a doctor, a priest, a politician or whatever.

He who does have the mark will follow doctors orders if he has accepted the basic thoughtform.

It is interesting that many who are into alternative medicine and think they are independent of “doctor knows best” still are governed by the “doctor knows best” thoughtform when the chips are down. When many who think they are free from such a thoughtform are told by medical authorities that their life is in danger and they must follow orders exactly or they will die then what do most of them do? They drop all alternative ideas and follow orders just as they are told.

The sad thing is the doctors are often wrong and their advice sometimes leads to a painful drugged up last days. Those who escape the mark will often find a life changing alternative, but they have to do a little thinking on their own accompanied by research.

The Second Question

And how about people who reject all modern medicine? Are they governed by a thoughtform? If so what is it?

There are a handful of people who do not trust doctors and will automatically reject all or portions of their advice. This category does not reject doctors because they are free from thoughtforms, but because they are governed by a different one than the masses. Several thoughtforms govern this group. Here are two possibilities:

(1) I trust God rather than doctors.

This guy doesn’t go by the inner voice but what some religious authority has told him God thinks about doctors.

(2) All orthodox medicine is corrupt.

This governs the guy who has read a lot of alternative material that speaks negatively of doctors and orthodox medicine and instead of using judgment he takes in the black and white thoughtform that calls for automatic rejection.

It is a key factor in understanding the workings of the Beast to realize that controlling thoughtforms leave no room for individual judgment but are black and white in their execution.

Another key in understanding the Beast is that this powerful authority is more concerned in control and obedience than what it is you are obeying. If a subject can be tricked into accepting one of his thoughtforms then he can easily be tricked into another one. Bait and switch are key words here.

Now let us switch to science. Name a couple thoughtforms that govern them. Remember there are a number of subjects where scientists can buy into thoughtforms such as global warming, evolution, God etc.

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ImAHebrew says:

So this Beast, this sinful or carnal man that dwells within each and every sinner, overcomes the sinner and the sinner is enslaved by the Beast:

2Pet 2:19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.

So I would suggest that the most powerful thoughtform known to man IS the lusts and desires of their sinful flesh, known as the Beast. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

JJ

Well, ImAHebrew, we are in harmony as far as the big picture is concerned.

The Greek from which the word “sin” was translated in the New Testament comes from HAMARTIA which is derived from HAMARTANO which means “to miss the mark.” In other words, when the Greeks 2000 years ago shot at a target with an arrow and missed they “sinned” (HAMARTANO) or missed the target. Thayer’s Greek Lexicon tells us that the Greeks also used it to mean “an error in understanding.”

People largely miss the mark because they listen to outer authorities above the voice of God which speaks within. This misplaced attention is indeed the cause of most of the error or sins of mankind.

However, the lusts and sins of the flesh is not a thoughtform. It is kind of like gravity, which is a force and not a thoughtform, but the pull of the material side is definitely behind the creation of many thoughtforms that deceive mankind.

Science and Thoughtforms

The Assignment:

Now let us switch to science. Name a couple thoughtforms that govern them. Remember there are a number of subjects where scientists can buy into thoughtforms such as global warming, evolution, God etc.

In considering the thoughtforms that create misplaced authority in a system the key is to examine how people react to that system. Then one must ask this, “What is running through their heads that they should react the way they do, as if they are reading the same script?

There are two basic thoughtforms governing science. The first affects the vast majority of those who are not governed by religion and the second governs many of the believers.

The first thoughtform is this: “You can’t argue with science.”

This thoughtform affects both those who have studied science and those who have not. There are many out there who have little understanding of science, but when they hear that science supports a thing they figure the argument has been settled. To them the authority of science is the closest thing we can get to the voice of God. Just like the believer wouldn’t think of a rejecting God, even so, will the low educated science believer not question science.

If he hears a report that science says the global warming issue is settled, that it is happening now he will believe and not question. If you show him that the earth is cooler now than in 1998 his eyes will just glaze over. If he says anything it will be accusing you of denying the science which he supports.

On the other hand, many scientists and those with a knowledge of science are captivated by this same thoughtform. Those who are trapped by it will also see science as the highest source of knowledge but will respond differently than those with little learning. If you point out that global warming seems to have been on a pause since 1998 they will give a complicated answer that will seem reasonable to them, but not to the logical thinker. For instance, many say that the earth has indeed warmed but the warming has been trapped deep under the oceans.

So, even though one may be learned in science he can still get trapped in a thoughtform that takes him away from real science and truth. He doesn’t want to challenge the thoughtform that governs his group.

Then in different divisions of science there are supportive thoughtforms, such as:

Global warming: “All scientists agree.”

Evolution: “Evolution has been proven.” While it is true that it has been solidly proven that evolution has happened this does not mean that all theories about how it happened are true.

God: There is no one wording but the general idea in the thoughtform runs something like this, “The belief in a sky god watching my every move is just plain silly.”

There are several thoughtforms governing those who reject science, but a common one is, “Science is godless; therefore, I choose God.”

This fellow automatically rejects anything from science that contradicts his religion or what he thinks the scriptures say.

Both sides are in error because of their acceptance of thoughtforms. While it is true that science has proven many things, there are also many other avenues that are not proven. Many science supporters, and even scientists, often do not differentiate between the proven and the unproven when talking under the influence of their thoughtform. The trick they often use is to give an undisputed fact and follow it by something that has not been proven. By lumping them together they give the impression that neither can be challenged.

Those who have escaped the mark of the Beast will neither automatically reject science or accept all they tell us is true. They will look into the facts and come up with their own conclusions.

The next area to look at is the media. In this, let us include TV, Newspapers, magazines, Hollywood and the internet. What are some thoughtforms governing those who deliver news and influence us?

Aug 20, 2014

Illusions in Hollywood

Keith writes:

The most powerful overarching thoughtform of the beast is ‘FEAR’. All of our most awful mistakes in past lives occur because ‘FEAR’ leads us to believe (erroneously) that we have no choice, but to comply with the beast’s demands.

JJ

Great observation Keith. You have touched on the key principle behind all thoughtforms used by the Beast in all departments of life. You are getting a little ahead of the program here. We’ll get back to this when we do a general wrap up.

The Question:

The next area to look at is the media. In this, let us include TV, Newspapers, magazines, Hollywood and the internet. What are some thoughtforms governing those who deliver news and influence us?

Good comments on this.

I was contemplating the principle that would pin down the actual governing thoughtforms and this came to me:

“Find the illusion and you will find the thoughtform.”

That turned on a light in my head. As are all truths it is very simple, but enlightening.

The illusion in medicine is that doctors and authorities there always know what is best better than you do.

The illusion in science is that the scientists can gather scientific facts and always come to a more accurate conclusion than you can, even if you access the same facts.

The illusion in religion is that a minister, prophet or preacher is closer to God than you are or can be.

So, what is the illusion of the media? There are a number of them. Susan pointed out a big one which is basically self importance – they feel their words should carry more weight than the rest of us, just because of who they are.

This illusion particularly applies to Hollywood and is fed by many sources. There are the fans who worship them, business who pays for their endorsements and politicians who want to rub shoulders with them and get their advice. On top of this, they create all kinds of award ceremonies where they have lots of opportunity to pat themselves on the back.

The key to seeing their main governing thoughtform is realizing that the self-importance of the individuals involved is only half the equation. The other half is the weight that they give the opinion of their peers. Therefore, in all their work, most involved in Hollywood seek not only to magnify their own glory through their work, but to get approval from their coworkers. Since it is usually assumed their coworkers are from the Left they will generally do what is necessary to appeal that that thinking process.

So what would the thoughtform be then if we keep this in mind?

“I will do what is necessary to generate praise from others in the business and for this will receive maximum glory with the people that matter.”

Question:

Now, how about those who deliver us the news? What is their illusion and the main governing thoughtform?

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The Question:

How about those who deliver us the news? What is their illusion and the main governing thoughtform?

Let us analyze the answers so far for illusions to see the progress made.

They want to outdo the competition… Not quite. That is the truth of what they are trying to do. No illusion there.

They want to be the first… No illusion there. That is what we all know they want.

They would think that they are greatly needed in society to keep us all well informed… It is true and not illusion that we do need newspeople to keep us informed. If we did not need the m they would have no power.

It would also be something along the lines of “I can “feed” you information” No illusion there. They can feed us information.

The Illusion is that reporters are better informed than everyone else so they know better about politics than everyone else. The reporters are better informed than average but their job is not to preach politics, but to report the news so this wouldn’t be a core illusion.

Finally Larry says: “But there is another strong thoughtform that works on TV reporters in particular. They must maintain the appearance of unaffected and non-participatory.”

Here Larry is approaching one of the two major illusions in the news media. Let me reword this illusion as follows: They are under the illusion that they report without bias and are unaffected and non participatory.

The thoughtform would be “You are a sincere unbiased reporter just trying to get the important facts to the people.”

Question: What is the second illusion with the accompanying thoughtform?

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The Question:

How about those who deliver us the news? What is their illusion and the main governing thoughtform?

Let us analyze the answers so far for illusions to see the progress made.

They want to outdo the competition… Not quite. That is the truth of what they are trying to do. No illusion there.

They want to be the first… No illusion there. That is what we all know they want.

They would think that they are greatly needed in society to keep us all well informed… It is true and not illusion that we do need newspeople to keep us informed. If we did not need the m they would have no power.

It would also be something along the lines of “I can “feed” you information” No illusion there. They can feed us information.

The Illusion is that reporters are better informed than everyone else so they know better about politics than everyone else. The reporters are better informed than average but their job is not to preach politics, but to report the news so this wouldn’t be a core illusion.

Finally Larry says: “But there is another strong thoughtform that works on TV reporters in particular. They must maintain the appearance of unaffected and non-participatory.”

Here Larry is approaching one of the two major illusions in the news media. Let me reword this illusion as follows: They are under the illusion that they report without bias and are unaffected and non participatory.

The thoughtform would be “You are a sincere unbiased reporter just trying to get the important facts to the people.”

Question: What is the second illusion with the accompanying thoughtform?

***

Flo:

Here’s a clip from the archives that looks at the media Beast…

The beast in our lives 11.22.98

JJ

Welcome to the group Flo and thanks for posting those quotes. They are very supportive to the topic at hand.

We have covered a lot of material on the Beast, but the depth of the mystery is great and there always seems to be more to discover.

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The Second Thoughtform

The Question:

Question: What is the second illusion (in the news media) with the accompanying thoughtform?

When I tell you this I know it will register as correct because it seems really obvious when you think about it.

This second illusion explains why they are caught in the first illusion of thinking they are just reporting the pertinent news without bias. The illusion is that they see themselves as standing in that great center between the two extremes. They think they look at both sides and take that reasonable position which is neither left or right, but what the reasonable public wants and needs to know.

This illusion is particularly prevalent with what is called the “major media,” which all report pretty much the same news and usually leave out the same things.

The thoughtform that controls them goes something like this:

“I will avoid if at all possible any news that will give credibility to extremist views and will report nothing that would offend my friends from the center.”

The problem with this thoughtform, is what it calls extreme are often views held by half the country and many of his friends who he sees as being in the center are really far left.

This newsperson thus believes he is doing an admirable job of reasonable reporting from the center when he really takes a stand with the minority from the Left. He therefore carefully crafts his stories so they sound reasonable but gives extra time and attention to stories that support his personal point of view and minimizes, disparages or leaves out stories that do not support his thinking. You can tell where a media person (or network) stands by what he doesn’t cover, or covers with a negative slant.

Bernard Goldberg who worked for CBS for many years wrote a book called “Bias,” giving an insiders fairly objective view of bias in the media. He tells us that those who work with the news do not see themselves as biased to the left or right but sincerely believe they are coming from the center and being fair to both sides. If someone points out their bias it just goes over their heads. They just will not consider such a thing no matter what.

We are fortunate today to live in an age where there are many sources of news, including the internet. This doesn’t help the person who has little desire for the truth, but for those who do, the truth is out there and available with a little searching.

There are numerous other organizations controlled by thoughtforms based on illusion. The unions are another big one. Theirs runs something like this:

We have done great things to help the laborer and know what is best for him. He (or she) owes us.

This is the opposite of what the thought was when the unions used to do their job. In the beginning what the worker wanted was the important thing. Now it is what the union bosses decree.

Assignment:

Most members here see me as a pretty reasonable person who would not take any action to assume beastly control.

BUT

Is it possible that I could function as a beast to some?

Could Jesus himself be a beast to us if he were here?

How could this happen and how do we avoid such a thing?

And…

As a group do you think we are successful in avoiding the mark of the Beast?

Aug 22, 2014

Seeing the Beast

The questions:

Is it possible that I could function as a beast to some?

Could Jesus himself be a beast to us if he were here?

JJ

The group seems to assume the answer is yes.

Question:

How could this happen and how do we avoid such a thing?

JJ

Even if the teacher makes every effort to not exercise any unearned or unjust authority over others he can still be put on a pedestal and accepted without question. Jesus and the teachings he is supposed to have endorsed are a large part of network of the Beast.

In the seekers quest for truth perhaps his greatest temptation into illusion comes through an “I found it” moment. He finds a source, a guide, a teacher, a book that seems to take him where he has not gone before. He tests everything to the best of his ability and he can find no error. At this point his temptation is to relax and depend on this outer source as a substitute for the inner. He just accepts what the teacher says without running it by his own soul as well as his maximum power to reason.

No matter whether the teaching comes from an angel, devil, prophet or a talking dog the seeker must run it by his highest preceptors of truth and not accept it completely until it satisfies the soul ands makes sense.

Now some go the other extreme and question everything with a jaundice eye when much of what the teacher gives out is easily seen as true by those with soul contact. Some of these types of people are governed by a thoughtform that says something like this, “Everything that is outside of my current belief system, or isn’t approved by the authority I rely on, is wrong.”

The true seeker will not accept all things without running them by the mind and soul and neither will he reject all things outside the comfort zone. He will avoid getting lazy and automatically accept or reject, and, instead, run anything that is in any way questionable past his highest personal truth detectors.

If something doesn’t sound quite right the first thing to do is to make sure you understand everything correctly. I’d say that about half the time that my teachings seem questionable to someone is because they are not getting the full picture and a more complete explanation takes care of the problem. If the student sincerely disagrees then he should open up dialog with the teacher and see where it leads. If the teacher is an earned authority and has satisfied your soul 99% of the time, but this one teachings seems wrong, then it’s a good idea to put it on the shelf and see if the picture changes over time.

I have put things on the self before only to take it off the later having achieved a greater understanding.

Question:

As a group do you think we are successful in avoiding the mark of the Beast?

We have an advantage over other groups because we know what the Beast and the mark is.. We are not waiting for a great one-world dictator to show up and plant a computer chip in our right hand or forehead, but realize the Beast has been here all along and the world worships those who use unearned authority in the present time. Members here know they are free to question me or anyone else. We are not perfect, of course. Some may question too much or not enough, but all must learn to run every new teaching by their own souls.

Keith mentioned that fear is a device used by the Beast and this was a good observation indeed. You will find that when one enters a group that is controlled by an authoritarian thoughtform that most will be fearful in speaking up or going against hat thoughtform while participating in the group?

Why is this the case? Give examples of situations where people are afraid to speak up to authorities. What is the best way to overcome the fear and challenge the Beast?

Aug 24, 2014

The Fear Factor

The question;

Why is fear such a core ingredient in the Beasts power and what is the best way to over come or challenge it?

Larry talked about what a driving force fear is in the workplace. We never talked about the thoughtforms at play there.

The power of the Beast works differently in the workplace than it does in other groups and this is why.

In the workplace you know you are being controlled and you know you are cooperating with it and you know what will happen if you do not go along with your boss. At best your movement up the ladder will cease and at worst you’ll just get fired.

Basically the main thoughtform in the workplace is this: “Do what the boss says or you are out of here.”

Of all the controlling thoughtforms the workplace is the least insidious. Why?

Because you get paid to cooperate and the laborer is constantly working to transcend the thoughtform so he is not controlled by it.

After all, who will accept a nasty boss barking orders at him for a minute longer than he has to?

Very few.

The controlling thoughtforms in other organizations are different in that participants gladly embrace them and they govern their thinking. After work, and the laborer goes home, he tries to distance himself from the controls at work. So, the thoughtform governing the employee could be classified as a partial one. You are only controlled for around 40 hours a week and most likely looking for an opportunity to break free. Other thoughtforms work in the background eight days a week.

The Beast therefore doesn’t use thoughtforms to control the thinking of people in private enterprise as much as other groups. On the other hand, government employees are under much more control of the Beast than are private ones. Here the independent thinking employee not only has a boss to contend with, but there will be overriding thoughtforms sent down from on high from Uncle Sam that must be subtly absorbed and followed if one wants to get ahead. Here are samples:

You have as much power as Uncle Sam says you have and the people need to respect this power.

You know what is best better than the people you serve.

We are all a family so don’t rock the boat if you know what’s good for you.

Religion has powerful thoughtforms that members buy into of their own free will and sustain them 24 hours a day. Perhaps the religion with the most powerful thoughtform among those with a substantial membership are the LDS. Yet if you tell the average member that they are governed by a group think that they are fearful to challenge they will most likely laugh and say something like this:

“As LDS we believe in free agency and we are free to think and say whatever we please. I accept the teachings of the church of my own free will. Nothing is controlling me.”

Here’s the key piece of knowledge. When you are a member of any group and buy into its thoughtform and follow the programming it will seem like there are no controls – that you can sincerely express yourself any way you want.

However, things completely change when you step away from the thoughtform and have an independent thought. This is where the fear steps in.

Question: So how does fear step in for control when one challenges the thoughtform? How does it suddenly appear you have gone from having free will to little or no free will?

***

Florence writes about the legends of the fall of the female side of creation..

You would probably enjoy the book Right Use of Will by Ceanne Derohan. She claims to have a revelation from God telling us how the female side was suppressed and it needs to be rediscovered and released. I think most of her books are from her fanciful imagination but do think she struck the right chord on female suppression and that it needs to be released and set free to express itself.

Male and female dominion goes in cycles and right now we are entering a cycle where the female energies are moving toward greater dominion. Right now, as evidence of this, there are more females than males in our colleges and those with the most education usually wind up in the dominate roles.

Distorted Good

One2 Quotes me saying:

“Good is a distorted reflection of positive and evil is a distorted reflection and misuse of negative.”

So Good is a distorted reflection of male energy and evil is a distorted reflection and misuse of female energy?

Good is still a distortion in reflection of the male energy or the Father energy then?

JJ

The Father (sending) aspect always represents the positive polarity and the Mother (receiving) the female.

The wording of that quote should be changed for clarification to:

“What is called good is a distorted reflection of positive and evil is a distorted reflection and misuse of negative.”

What people see as good is often miles away from what the real good is. For instance, until recent history slavery was seen as a good thing. They saw it as being good for the slaves because they were too backward to govern themselves and needed someone to tell them what to do. They thought it was good for society because slave labor created a better standard of living for the slave owners. Everything was seen as win/win and even many slaves bought into the prevailing thoughtform.

Now looking back we see that this version of good is indeed a distorted version of the positive energy of being.

Now, in this age many people see another version of slavery as good. They think that it is for our best good to be taxed 50% or more to provide services for those who do nothing to earn the benefits. Centuries from now we will look back and see the current system just as much distorted good as we now do slavery in ancient Rome for the slaves in Rome were often allowed to keep two thirds of their earnings if they ran a business.

The actual principle of good and evil never changes. Good is that which moves us forward in our spiritual evolution and evil is that which takes us backward.

Aug 24, 2014

Challenging the Thoughtform

The Question: So how does fear step in for control when one challenges the thoughtform? How does it suddenly appear you have gone from having free will to little or no free will?

I am quite familiar with the thoughtform of the LDS (Mormon) church for I was active in it for 20 years, from ages 13-33. I am now 69 so it’s been a while since I graduated.

There were a number of things that attracted me to the church. Here are several:

(1) I was inspired by the Mormon scriptures. They seemed to bring me closer to the Spirit than the Bible.

(2) I was inspired by their early history and teachings.

(3) I liked their doctrine that we were eternal beings that did not begin at birth.

(4) I liked the doctrine of eternal progression, that we will evolve until we become like the Father of our spirits.

(5) It made sense to me that there just wasn’t a heaven and hell but a number of places we will go to after death, as the Mormons teach.

(7) I liked the idea of lay participation, that there was no paid monastery, except the upper levels. Members could participate in speaking, teaching and healing.

(8) I was captivated (and still am) of the idea of building Zion, a gathering of the pure in heart, which was to produce a near perfect society.

(9) The teaching that God can speak to prophets today just as in ancient times made total sense, as well as the idea that even lowly members can get revelation.

The LDS church was so unique that if a member has some type of rift with it then he has nowhere to go. With many protestant churches, if you do not like your minister you can just go to a different one and hear similar sermons. Not so with the LDS. Their basic sensible logical doctrines set them apart, and once you accept them you are stuck with that church or nothing. I checked out a number of different churches and didn’t find any with the least bit of appeal.

That said, I wasn’t the type of member who thought everything about the church was ideal. Here were some things that bothered me.

(1) Whereas I was attracted to the teachings I found many members didn’t even know what a lot of the teachings were. Most were drawn to the church for the social aspects and since every member gets a job or two many felt it gave them purpose.

Outside of a small handful I was not drawn there for the association with other members, as most of my best friends through life have not been religious church goers.

(2) I found that most of my time spent there to be boring as they taught the simple things over and over. I rarely learned anything.

(3) I really wondered how heaven was going to be such a great place when it was going to be filled with boring Mormons as I found non religious people more interesting and fun to be around.

(4) The members idolized the Prophet and General Authorities. They gave them much more credit for knowledge and spirituality than they deserved and this was a big turn off to me. Most appeared to be pretty ordinary men to me.

(5) Before I knew what a thoughtform was I picked up a group think among the members that greatly repelled me. Every member that was really into the church seemed to have invisible antennas that told them how to behave and what to think. They all knew instinctively what movies would be approved by the church, what books and which people and groups they could associate with, etc.

In private I ignored this thoughtform but when attending church or associating with other members I sensed that I needed to play along or my church standing could be in danger.

(6) One of the things I liked about the Mormon scriptures was that they told us to seek out the mysteries of God, but this seeking was not in the thoughtform. It was the opposite. Everyone knew not to seek for if God wanted them to know a mystery he would reveal it to the Prophet first.

When I realized this was the mindset of members I decided to set up my own test in search of someone who could transcend the thoughtform. Whenever I found a member who seemed to be intelligent I would ask him or her about one of the mysteries of the church. One of the mysteries was the location of the lost Ten Tribes of Israel, so this was the simple question I asked as a test:

“So, have you ever wondered where the Ten Tribes are?

To my disappointment, time after time I received the same answer which was:

“I’m sure that when the time comes that we need to know, the Prophet will tell us.”

When I received this answer I knew that I was dealing with an individual controlled by the thoughtform and it would be dangerous to pursue mysteries any further.

For years I asked this question seeking a kindred spirit to share many of the mysteries I had discovered, but to no avail until my nephew, Curtis Harwell moved into town and attended the same church. Since the Bishop often asked new members to give a talk so we could get to know them he asked Curtis. I was pleasantly surprised at how interesting his presentation was and invited him to dinner.

After dinner, I asked him about the Ten Tribes. To my delight instead of giving the standard answer he said that he would really like to know where they were and that it had puzzled him for some time.

I opened the scriptures and gave him my ideas and he was not scared off. Instead, he kept asking, “What else do you know?”

Then I would share something else and he would ask again, “What else do you know?”

Encounter with the Beast

Curtis kept asking me for more knowledge. He was like a sponge, for he realized that he hadn’t learned anything really new in the church for years.

After I shared with him numerous mysteries I had discovered in the scriptures I then moved to metaphysical teachings. I shared with him some of my books that few Mormons had laid eyes on. After he did some reading he exclaimed to me, “Wow, I didn’t know that knowledge like this was in existence.”

After a couple months of sharing with him he told me that he was moving about 300 miles distant to Blackfoot, Idaho. He said he was looking forward to sharing some of the teachings I gave him with the members of his new ward.

I explained to him that even though he may not be breaking any official rules of the church in doing this that he needed to be careful or he could lose his membership. He laughed at that, thinking that such a thing would not happen.

Then he mentioned a small treatise I wrote called Eternal Progression and said that surely this would be all right to share with others as it was merely giving scriptural evidence of progression in the next world.

LINK TO THE TREATISE

I then told him that even the sharing of this fairly innocent writing could get him into trouble. He didn’t think this was possible and asked why.

I told him that even though the LDS scriptures seem to say otherwise that a recent prophet in the church declared that there is no progression from one kingdom to another and that is the view of the authorities today. My treatise talked about the three kingdoms from Mormon doctrine and proves that there can be progression from one kingdom to another. I told him that the Powers-That-Be will not like this challenging point of view at all.

He had a hard time believing that the examination of a minor point of doctrine would be of much concern to the authorities. He could understand reincarnation being problematic, but not this. When he moved I kept my fingers crossed that he would not be too eager to share what I had taught him with fellow members but seek to feel them out the way I did with him.

All seemed to go fine for a while and within a few weeks he had several jobs in the church. Then he decided that my treatise had to be harmless and he made a number of copies (not listing the author) and passed them out. Among those he gave copies to were his Elders Quorum President and the Bishop. He innocently thought that they would find it interesting and want to know more.

A couple days later he received a summons from the Bishop to meet him privately in his office. The Bishop sat him down and explained to him that the paper he was passing out contained false doctrine that runs contrary to what the current prophet endorses. He had conferred with the Stake President and they concluded that it would be wise to have a trial for his membership before the High Council. He was herewith relieved of all his church duties and the trial would be held in three days.

That evening Curtis called me up being very emotionally wrought telling me of his situation. Then he explained that the only witnesses that were going to be allowed on his behalf had to be good members of the church and since I was a member still in good standing he asked me to come down there and testify on his behalf.

I told him that any testimony I could give would probably make no difference and the result would be that I would also be excommunicated and most likely wind up losing my wife and kids.

He then said, “You got me into this situation and now you have to get me out.”

I reminded him that I had warned him, but did feel somewhat responsible and agreed to go testify on his behalf.

Sure enough, they excommunicated him despite my testimony and then came after me and excommunicated me also.

Curtis was fired from his job by his Mormon boss who decided he couldn’t put up with an apostate working for him.

No one could fire me because I was self employed but my wife was a true believer and thought I was being led by Satan. We divorced shortly thereafter and she did everything in her power to keep me from seeing the kids.

I tell this story because it illustrates the workings of the Beast of unearned unjust authority. When you are in the thoughtform as was Curtis it seems like you are free to say or do what you want as long as you are supportive and obey the rules. Curtis found out this was not the case.

In my case I realized what I was up against and that even a slight challenge to the authority of the Beast would bring down the maximum attack allowed by law.

Fortunately, we have some protection from the law for one of those on the council that excommunicated me approached me afterwards and told me his only regret was that they could not put me to death for that was what I deserved.

When the seeker senses correctly the thoughtform and understands the attack that will be forthcoming then he can either be paralyzed by fear or he can face the dragon and deal with whatever comes.

I knew my days were numbered in the church as I couldn’t stand the suppression of thought much longer. Curtis forced my hand a little early as I would have liked to plan my exit on my own terms. But maybe the way it happened was for he best.

Have you ever gone up against the Beast of authority? If so, tell us your story.

Aug 26, 2014

More to the Story

For any who want to read a fuller account of our excommunications and the aftermath I prepared some links. The first part is a fictionalized account with the names altered. I was David Johns in the story and of course Curtis Hartel was Curtis Harwell.

The events and dialog of his excommunication trial is very accurate. Wayne and I were only allowed in to testify but for the rest I placed my ear on the door and was able to hear all the conversation.

There is no fiction in the aftermath links as they are written from experience to the best of my ability.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Addendum

Aftermath:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Aug 27, 2014

Spiritual Experience

Greg related to us some great spiritual experiences and has chosen the path of light time and time again and we are honored to have him with us. I hope he doesn’t mind using him for teaching purposes.

He relates this:

“In early March 2010, I received the voice of God declaring over and over again, that on this day I was His son and that He had begotten me. I had received the declaration of the Lord that my calling and election was made sure.”

Let us suppose that this experience went to his head and he was tricked by illusion and ego to support the Beast. How could he use his spiritual experiences to give power to the Beast? Contrast this with the path he would take if he were free from supporting the Beast.

Aug 28, 2014

The Authority of the Beast

There are several categories of people in the spiritual arena who assist the Beast in this world.

(1) Those who have a true spiritual experience, high or low, and see themselves as unique or special because of it. They create a thoughtform that tells followers that this person has the key to such an experience and if you look to him or follow him you will have this salvation type of experience. The end result is the followers look to the outside leader rather than the God within – for the leader emphasizes his spiritual authority.

(2) Those who have a true spiritual experience, high or low, and see themselves as unique or special because of it. But the experience or source of revelation seems so removed from followers that they look to him as the only source rather than looking within. The leader only encourages this.

(3) Those who have a delusional experience or other worldly contacts they see as real and put emphasis on this in a way that directs others away from the God within.

(4) Those who fabricate spiritual experiences and contacts so followers will look to him for truth rather than within.

(5) Those who hold up an authoritative source, such as the Bible, a prophet, Jesus, reincarnation of a notable person, etc and claims special understanding or relationship.

(6) Those who attain an authoritative position in a spiritual organization and encourage the followers to look to them or the organization for knowledge and solutions.

In almost every case where a leader is empowering the Beast we see that he makes the claim that he is empowering individuals. One must wisely look between the lines to see that the way to empowerment is to not look outward to the leader and buy into his thoughtform but to the kingdom of God within. Any thinking running contrary to the authoritative thoughtform will be seen as an attack by a delusional soul.

Let us say that Greg decided to cooperate with the Beast and sought out his share of authority over the minds and hearts of men. What could he do?

He could start teaching the uniqueness of his experience that God had spoken to him and remind followers of this on a regular basis. Next he could come up with teachings and tell students that they either came from God who spoke to him or were approved by Him. Therefore, if you disagree with Greg you are disagreeing with God. You will therefore disagree at the peril of your own soul. This is where fear enters in.

Questions:

What are several differences between those who empower the Beast and those who do not? What course would Greg take after his experience if he is free from the Beast and his mark? Why is it difficult for the average seeker to tell the difference between one who is free from the mark and one who is not?

Aug 29, 2014

Freedom From the Beast

First, let us deal with this question:

Why is it difficult for the average seeker to tell the difference between one who is free from the mark and one who is not?

One of the main reasons why the average person cannot tell who supports the Beast is that he looks at the surface of things. Those in the spiritual world who support the Beast are often very good at appearing righteous. They will generally preach about avoiding sin, keeping commandments, honoring God, etc. In fact they will often walk the walk and be very fastidious themselves in obeying the letter of the law.

The Jewish leaders who opposed Jesus gave the “appearance” of righteousness to the people and were more careful about obeying the letter of the law than he was. Their big criticism of Jesus was that he did not follow the letter of the law in obeying the Sabbath. The also accused him of being “a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.” (Matt 11:19)

On top of this they accused him of being in league with the devil:

“But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.” Matt 12:24

By all appearances the Jewish leaders were the righteous ones and Jesus was the free spirited fun loving guy who didn’t care what people thought.

They criticized the disciples of Jesus for not washing their hands before a meal. The Jews of that time were very diligent in ceremonial washing of hands in case they had touched something unclean previously. To them Jesus said:

It is “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.” Matt 15:11

If Jesus were with us today he would not come across as the squeaky clean “saints” who expelled Greg from their midst. He would be easy going and a friend to all classes just as Greg is.

Here are some qualities of the person who escapes the mark of the Beast, contrasted with those who worship the authority of the Beast.

(1) They look for the spirit of the law and the principle behind things to determine their behavior rather than the letter of the law, scriptures or any written word.

(2) He doesn’t mind anything in his belief system being honestly examined in the light of day. He who has the mark will often take offense if his thoughtform is questioned or examined.

Did you notice that when I told Greg we were going to examine him to see whether or not he supported the Beast that he took no offense at all? That is one of the signs that he is free from the mark. On the other hand, those who excommunicated him would take great offense if we examined their thinking. Those bearing the mark of the Beast are easily offended when their belief system or their standards of righteousness are challenged.

(3) He judges his fellowmen by how they treat others rather than how pious they are or how closely they are allied to his belief system.

(4) He always follows the Inner Voice over the outer. This is the main sign of the person free from the mark. He who has the mark will look to some outside authority for his decision making for he will fear going against the outer voice. What makes this difficult for the person with the mark is he often thinks he is own man when he is actually controlled by the Beast.

So what course would Greg have taken if he was free from the Beast? Keith said it right in that “Greg has done exactly what he should have done.”

Greg has had a great spiritual experience, but he has stayed humble and doesn’t show any signs of feeling superior because of it. Neither does he insist that we all have the same experience or be damned. He just puts out there what happened to him and we can take it or leave it.

Most of the Keys members who have shared their spiritual experiences have been very humble about them and for this I am thankful.

We talked about the Beast using fear as a means of control. What is the greatest fear he uses against spiritual seekers and how is it overcome?

Aug 29, 2014

Principles and the Law

ImAHebrew writes:

Shalom JJ, in overcoming and being free from the Beast and the Dragon, does commandment keeping, turning from sin, and resisting the Dragon come into play at all? How do you interpret Yeshua’s words in these Scriptures:

Mt 23:1 – 23:3

1 Then spake Yeshua to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

JJ

You must remember that sin is translated from the Greek HAMARTIA, which means to error or miss the mark. There are many ways to error besides that of not literally following the decrees of a belief system.

Jesus was not strict in his interpretation of the Sabbath but looked at the principle. His words give evidence of this:

“The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27

In other words, the law of the Sabbath wasn’t made to inconvenience or test us, but was made as something we can enjoy and benefit from. The scribes and the Pharisees had it backwards, seeing it as something that man must follow to the point of weariness and drudgery.

Then we recall the woman accused of adultery who should have been stoned to death for the act – that is according to the law. Instead if saying, “yeah, go ahead, Jesus maneuvered the situation so she was not executed. He then said to the woman, “Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”

Jesus was looking at the principle and overall good. In seeing this he did not condemn her as would the strict followers of the law but saw that she should be given a second change.

So, why did he encourage following the law of Moss then?

For two reasons:

(1) If he had spoken against the law in any measure he would have been crucified before he finished his mission.

(2) People are judged according to their own belief systems. The Book of Mormon expresses this point well and the principle presented here is true, even if one does not accept the source.

7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?…

9 And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.

10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.

11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.

12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; AND I SHALL ALSO SPEAK UNTO ALL NATIONS OF THE EARTH AND THEY SHALL WRITE IT. II Nephi 29:7; 9-12

Where are these scriptures from the other nations?

The answer is quite simple. Every people of every nation have available sacred writings containing truths geared for the “salvation” of the people to whom they were given. These writings can range from the sacred teachings of the Hopi Indians to the Koran of Islam, to the Bavagad Gita, to the ancient Vedas to the writings of Confucius, to the sayings of Buddha to name a few.

Notice what God says about these words of his to all nations: “I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.”

Thus, those people who do not have the Christian scriptures but have other words of God, will be judged by those words that are accepted by their own people.

All the scriptures of all the religions teach the principle behind baptism – a new spiritual birth. But not all of them teach about the physical act of baptism.

Notice that the above scripture tells us that each group will be judged by their own scriptures. Therefore, if one joins a particular religion and the precept of that religion decrees that physical baptism is necessary then he is required to comply to be a full participant in the group of which he is a member.

So, when Jesus spoke to the Jews he encouraged them to follow those laws toward which their conscience was trained. If he had been talking to Buddhists he would have encouraged them in the same way to follow the precepts of their own religion.

These religious precepts are training wheels to guide people until they obtain power to escape the Beast and be guided by the inner God.

ImAHebrew

If sinning and not keeping the commandments doesn’t mean anything in overcoming the Beast and Dragon, why don’t we all eat, drink, and be merry while joining in with them?

JJ

Jesus said that on the principle of love hands “all the law and the prophets.” Matt 22:40

In other words, the one who follows the pure love of Christ from within will automatically fulfill the purpose of the law even though he may be seen as a lawbreaker by those with a black and white view. This is what happened to Jesus.

He who follows the law of love from within will not lead a carnal life, but will certainly not be beyond having a good time in harmlessness.

How do you explain this verse:

ImAHebrew

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Here is what is written in my book, The Unveiling:

“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” Rev 12:11

The group has cast the aspiration of the ego from the center of decision in the head to its rightful place in the lower self, where it can no longer cause division in the body of the group. Even so, fiery desire is strong and still seeks to override the selflessness of the spirit and assume control.

Three things give disciples domination over the dragon:

(1) The blood of the lamb. Blood is a symbol of life and the lamb is a symbol of submission to the Christ consciousness, or the soul, before the lion of Christ is manifest. The group, which in the past submitted themselves to the outward authority of the dragon and his angels, now must subject themselves to the inner Christ. Their very life must now be guided by principles revealed through the soul.

(2) The word of their testimony. Their testimony is manifest as the two witnesses, or the Words and the Works, which they have accepted through the soul. They teach eternal words and perform selfless works of service to their fellow men and women. Their teachings and service takes their attention away from low desire and aids them in subduing the dragon.

(3) “They loved not their lives unto death.” The true disciple is willing to give his life as a sacrifice if necessary, but, more often than not, the physical sacrifice will not be required. Even so, he still gives his life. The life he yields is the life that is held dear by the dragon of desire and lower aspiration. He gives up the life and control of the lower self in favor of the control of the “lamb” or the Christ within. In many ways this is more difficult than sacrificing the physical life. For one thing, the temptation to revert to the lower is always there, tugging at the disciple and the group. He must stay in focus and cease to love the lower nature and embrace the higher.

After the complete sacrifice of the lower life is made the disciple is pleased to find that the higher can fulfill the lower nature better than the lower can fulfill itself. He becomes holy, or whole, because his whole self is happy with the Christ self in charge.

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dragonsden59

Why on the fourth book do you have an all seeing eye (or is that a UFO) above the pyramid which represents a hierarchy rather than at the top on the capstone. What is the significance of this symbology?

JJ

The cover isn’t meant to convey any deep symbolism but to be attractive and give a hint as to what lies within. The eye, of course, represents the all-seeing eye of God, which is not confined to the pyramid – which is a symbol of the New Jerusalem. The rays of light, of course, are symbols of rays of light and true knowledge.

By the way, the cover was done by Duane Carpenter who I think did an excellent job.

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Aug 30, 2014

Teaching the Teacher

Latuwr:

What happens when anyone should attempt to teach a Mormon Elder? My experience is simply that any such teaching will not be allowed.

I understand that Joseph John Dewey is an Elder, and I understand that Joseph John Dewey is a teacher.

JJ

I am a teacher here in this forum but I am far removed from being a Mormon Elder.

Latuwr:

What I need to know is whether or not Joseph John Dewey can be taught?

JJ

Sure, but this is not the place to do it. If you have something of interest that you think I do not know just let me know where it is and I’ll check it out.

This is a classroom and people join the Keys to learn from me and rub shoulders and share with other lights.

A good classroom can only function well with one teacher at a time. Imagine that you have a Spanish class taught, as usual, by one teacher. Then a student raises his hand and says, I want to teach you some German. What will the teacher say?

He will say this is not the place to do it. If he is interested in German the teacher will learn it apart from the class, as mixing German and Spanish could be very confusing.

Does this mean that I do not learn from members here?

No, of course not. We have some very intelligent members who often post something that teaches me something, but they do not set the agenda.

On the other hand, if someone wants to discuss a new subject that hasn’t been covered, anyone can suggest it, and if the group is interested we generally go ahead. Members are also free to ask any question they want.

Overall, members just complain when someone comes here with an agenda to teach me and others about their belief system without first checking to see if is of interest to the group.

That said, if you feel you have some knowledge that we need to learn, let us know what it is and we’ll see how the group reacts.

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Jody:

So I should just call myself the BEAST worshiper or maybe the BEAST Master.

JJ

How about the Beast Whisperer?

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Jim:

Thanks for the welcome, JJ. I also wrote a post and thought it went to you, quite a while ago, sharing some of my experiences during my visits to Allan’s Christian Reincarnation forum, but after fencing with his usual members that you did, i.e.

JJ

You seem like a reasonable respectful guy. No wonder Allan’s forum came after you. You’ll note that Allan just made a post in response to you calling you “Old Man Jim” over and over. What a low class thing to do, especially when he looks quote old and out of touch himself.

The according to him you no not know anything about anything and he knows all. And why are we supposed to believe this?

Because he says it and he is in touch with his God Self and you are obviously not.

If Allan’s Higher Self were really coming through he would understand the principle behind the Beast which is essential to clear the lines of communication.

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Jim:

Hi JJ: Praise The Lord young Feisty Allan survived his trip to London with out blowing a gasket.

JJ

Now I know why they didn’t like you more than most. You have a bit of well placed sarcastic humor in you, like I do. That seemed to drive them crazy more than anything. I remember one member came after me sounding quite disturbed and I asked him if he had his bran muffin yet that day. They seemed to think that was the meanest thing they ever heard.

Have a good time the next few weeks with whatever you are up to. Hopefully it will be as fun as being here.

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Latuwr

What say you J.J.? Do you yourself have expectation of life in the flesh until the return of our Messiah Yahushua? If not, why not?

JJ

Yes, one can achieve a renewal of his body and extend his life, but first he must master the physical and emotional desire, illusion and sacrifice that which the personality holds most dear. Then he must perform a work that furthers the purpose of God on the earth. I am working on achieving this end as are most on the forum.

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Aug 31, 2014

Dead or Living Works?

ImAHebrew writes:

How would you respond toward the return of Paul to Jerusalem that was about 11 years after the Council of Acts 15, and the events which transpired there in Acts 21:17-29? To further explain, Paul comes back to Jerusalem to meet with James and the elders (supposedly this James is someone you have butted heads with at the “other” forum), and they tell him how many thousands of Jews which BELIEVE, and they are all ZEALOUS of the Law. And then Paul is told that there are RUMORS about what he teaches Jews who are among the Gentiles, that they should forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or follow the customs (the Oral Law). It appears they had a dilemma. All of these BELIEVING Jews, who were zealous at keeping the Law, would hear that Paul was in town, and be quite upset at what he supposedly was teaching. So, to quell any doubt as to what Paul was teaching concerning what Jews should be doing, they have Paul pay the expenses of four men under a vow, and have him go through the rites of purification along with these four men as they end their vow. This was done to prove and let everyone know, “that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are NOTHING; but [that] thou thyself ALSO walkest orderly, and KEEPEST the Law.” And Paul consented.

What is your take on this? Was James and the elders misinformed about keeping the Law while staying shackled under the Beast? Or was the Beast causing Paul to be dishonest in submitting to their requirements, Just exactly how do you explain this zealousness of them to keep the Law, was it something to do with the Beast or Dragon?

JJ

First note that it was quite a widespread belief by orthodox Jews in the area that Paul was lax about following the law. Many were so sure of it that they tried to put him to death. Forty of them were so convinced he was guilty that they vowed to not eat or drink until they had killed him.

There was probably some truth to this rumor for even though Paul had respect for the law he realized and taught that God “made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” II Cor 3:6

He also downplayed the law in saying this:

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Eph 2:8-9

The law, of course, consisted of a lot of works. We are told to “purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Heb 9:14

So here was Paul’s situation. Word had gotten out that he was not strictly teaching the Law of Moses and his life was in danger. Anyone who is a threat to the law was seen to deserve death. Because it was important that Paul live they devised a scheme to make him look like a devout orthodox Jew. He was to go through a purification ritual as well as pay the expenses of four others doing so. At the end of this they would shave their heads. Seeing Paul with a shaved head after going trough the ritual was thought to convince the local Jews he was one of them.

This plan did not get off the ground and backfired on him almost costing him his life.

Now, let us take a look at the ritual Paul was going to endure. Here is what Barclay’s commentary says about it:

The leaders saw a way in which Paul could guarantee the orthodoxy of his own conduct. Four men were in the middle of observing the Nazarite vow. This was a vow taken in gratitude for some special blessing from the hand of God. It involved abstention from meat and wine for thirty days, during which the hair had to be allowed to grow. It seems that sometimes at least the last seven days had to be spent entirely in the Temple courts. At the end certain offerings had to be brought–a year old lamb for a sin-offering, a ram for a peace offering, a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of fine flour mingled with oil and a meat offering and a drink offering. Finally, the hair had to be shorn and burned on the altar with the sacrifice. It is obvious that this was a costly business. Work had to be given up and all the elements of the sacrifice had to be bought. It was quite beyond the resources of many who would have wished to undertake it.

So it was considered an act of piety for some wealthier person to defray the expenses of someone taking the vow. That was what Paul was asked to do in the case of these four men and he consented. By so doing he could demonstrate so that all could see it that he was himself an observer of the Law.

There can be no doubt that the matter was distasteful to Paul. For him the relevancy of things like that was gone.

So, does God want us to do these purification rituals today and kill a lamb at an alter and shave our heads?

These things all had their time and place in our history but as our consciousness evolves we shift from dead works to living works and look for the principle involved in all inspired writings and follow that. This will always ring true to our souls whereas literal black and white ritual does not.

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ImAHebrew:

What I would like for you to consider is WHY did Paul circumcise Timothy, and not Titus?

JJ

I do not care why he did it and discussion of these fine points of scriptural law and interpretation is not what this group is about. Here we are looking into the principles that give the big picture. Instead of looking at the minutia we try to see the big picture and understand that. If the big picture is seen the details just fall into place automatically.

One of my core teachings is this.

It may take a thousand facts to portray a true principle, but the understanding of one true principle may reveal more than a thousand facts.

The principle behind all laws in all religions is love and this principle often gets left behind when the focus is not on the love of God and our brethren, but on the details.

Jeremiah expressed well how this was supposed to work out when the principle is understood.

“After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them,” Jer 31:33-34

We are now entering the time where we do not need someone to tell us how to be saved by strictly obeying some law, but many are capable of seeing the big picture and following the law as it is written within – in our hearts and minds.

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The Shotgun Approach

Allan:

And while JJ seemed to be offended when I conveyed to him that my own higher soul-self instructed me to abandon the Alice Bailey books,

JJ

It is amazing how often you get things entirely wrong. I am not in the least, let me repeat, not in the least bit offended if you think your Higher Self does not want you to read Bailey, The Bible or Mad Magazine. What you do that just involves you is not my concern.

Allan:

…they ignore the fact that the cause is seen in their refusal to acknowledge or in any manner discuss important concepts and issues that have been set before them over the course of forum-discussion.

JJ

I have discussed hundreds of important subjects. There is not much that we have not covered in this forum including the Higher Self.

You seem to feel that you are presenting something important that we have overlooked, but what is it? It is hard to tell because you use a shotgun approach and throw out a small amount of information on a lot of things so nothing much catches the reader’s attention.

For instance, in this one post you made that I am replying to you touched on these subjects:

(1) “The One truth has many sides.”

This is an obvious truth that we have discussed. What you think was left out is a mystery.

(2) The Tower of Babel Syndrome.

You say this is imposed upon us but do not even give us a clue as to what you think it is. How can we respond to such ambiguity and ephemeral statements.

(3) We are “spewing forth the fruit of the forbidden tree as a poison nourishment they expect us to consume.”

More meaningless words just meant to demean and not teach.

(4) Jacob’s Ladder

You keep bringing this up but never explaining what it is. Are we supposed to know your thoughts by osmosis?

(5) Secret inside teachings.

You keep repeating this over and over, but even fundamentalists already believe this so you’re preaching to the choir.

(6) Duality

There are probably over 100,000 words written on this in the archives.

Each major posts you make covers a half dozen or so subjects and only scratches the surface. Then you post again and the material repeats itself. If you want to get anywhere with us you need to cover one subject at a time the way I do when I teach.

But first remember that the group is involved. If you want to talk about a subject present it first to the group to see if they are interested. If they are then it will be considered.

As it is now your posts are a distraction because they are never on topic nor do they deal with a single topic.

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Ra:

I’m not sure if you understand Latwur’s speech. Let me explain… he speaks of a sort of immortality, not simply extending ones life, Latwur already will not die and reincarnation is simply not possible — why seek a way of death and not a way of Life? Reincarnation is a way of death, while living forever, what YahShua has promised to those who believe and do right — that is what life is. The Way of Life is life eternal, the way of reincarnation is not seeking life, but seeking death as your savior. Correct me where I have errored Latwur,

JJ

We have no problem with people coming here who think differently than ourselves. Some of the discussion that has resulted in the past has brought forth some of the best teachings here.

There is no such thing as eternal life confined to one changeless form. All form is temporary, even the universe itself. The formless Self, which is one with God, is that which is eternal and uses form as it sees fit for its learning and enjoyment. Reincarnation is an eternal principle for we are destined for eternal lives on the unending creation of worlds.

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Sept 1, 2014

The Beast and the Fear Factor

Time to get back on topic. Here’s the question:

We talked about the Beast using fear as a means of control. What is the greatest fear he uses against spiritual seekers and how is it overcome?

JJ

I believe Susan was the first to point out that the greatest fear manipulated by the Beast is the fear of hell, eternal punishment or extinction of body and soul to nothingness.

Sure, powerful unjust authority can punish us in this life in a number of ways and in some cases even put people to death, but all this is nothing compared to suffering for eternity or going into oblivion because you are supposedly going against God. If you really believe that some authority has power over the destiny of your soul then that person becomes a powerful outside God to you, a spokesman for the Beast.

For anyone who takes life after death seriously the thought of some undesirable destination that will last for millions of years is frightening indeed.

Curtis and I witnessed this power after we were excommunicated from the LDS church. Following this event we did everything in our power to enlighten our Mormon friends. We taught quite a few about the errors of church doctrine and reincarnation. Quite a few saw truth in our words, but when it came to taking any action that would risk their church membership they became paralyzed with fear and continued to follow the thoughtform.

When pressed for their reasoning they would give an answer something like this:

“I really like what you are saying an it makes a lot of sense and feels right to my soul, but if you are wrong and the church is right that means rebellion could put me in danger of becoming a Son of Perdition and I can’t take that risk. Besides if there is reincarnation, I’ll get another chance, so staying in the church and supporting the authorities is the safe bet.”

Mormons have good reason to fear based on the following verses from their scriptures:

42 “That through him all might be saved whom the Father had put into his power and made by him;

43 “Who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands, except those sons of perdition who deny the Son after the Father has revealed him.

44 “Wherefore, he saves all except them–they shall go away into everlasting punishment, which is endless punishment, which is eternal punishment, to reign with the devil and his angels in eternity, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched, which is their torment–

45 “And the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows;

46 “Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;

47 “Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again;

48 “Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation.”

Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) 76:42-48

And who are the ones who will suffer this condemnation so great that it cannot be put into words? It is assumed it will be those who are excommunicated for not endorsing all the teachings and directions of the authorities of the church.

Consequently, when the standard Mormon gets a little curious and begins to give some clues that he is unorthodox in his thinking other members will often make statements to him like the following:

“You are entering into dangerous territory, brother. Just follow the prophet and forget about these other thoughts.”

“Stay away from the mysteries. If God wants us to know any of them he will reveal them through the prophet. If you get something and teach it that runs contrary to the teachings of the church you are in great danger my friend.”

“Stay with the simple things like faith, baptism and repentance. If you delve into more than this you may find yourself in rebellion against God.”

“Just follow the prophet and you will be safe. He will never lead you astray.”

So, how does one overcome such fear and defy the control of the Beast? A few are just very brave and take their chances, but the only secure way is to get confirmation from within. A sure witness from the Holy Spirit will give the seeker the sure knowledge he needs to stand up to the Beast.

Ra asked some interesting questions that would be good for the group to consider. He pointed out that if we are controlled by a thoughtform of the Beast we may not even be aware of it – so, how could we tell if we are controlled or not and how do we rid ourselves of the thoughtform?

In other words, we may all be under control of the Beast and not be aware of it.

Question: How can you tell if you are controlled by the Beast and his mark or have freed yourself? There is a core principle that reveals the truth here that we have discussed a number of times. Let us see who can tell us what it is.

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The Hidden Power of the Beast

The Question: How can you tell if you are controlled by the Beast and his mark or have freed yourself?

I didn’t think anyone would get this on the first round but Adam fooled me. He nailed it when he said, “guilt from external forces.”

You can’t tell if you are controlled by the Beast through regular self examination. 99% of the people out there do not think they are controlled by the Beast or any thoughtform so even if they try they cannot see it because seeing it is not on their radar.

It’s like the story of Magellan’s ships. The concept of such ships was so far removed from the consciousness of the natives that they could not see them even though they were visibly floating in their waters.

Just ask any LDS guy if the church or authorities therein interfere at all with his freedom of choice. He will give you a definite no. You can teach the guy all day long about thoughtforms and the Beast and he will not be able to see that anything is there controlling is mind.

Why?

The answer is given in this dialogue from a Sherlock Holmes movie:

Lord Blackwood : Sherlock Holmes. And his loyal dog. Tell me, Doctor… as a medical man, have you enjoyed my work?

Watson : Let me show you just how much I’ve enjoyed it. [starts towards Blackwood]

Holmes : Watson, don’t! [Holmes stops Watson a few feet from Lord Blackwood, then looks at Blackwood’s hands] Observe…

[Watson looks down to see there is an almost imperceptible thin glass needle with a sharp point less than a foot from where they stand]

Watson : How did you see that?

Holmes : Because I was looking for it. [breaks the needle]

Now Watson had every bit the ability to see everything that Holmes could see, but did not see it. Why? Because he was not looking for it.

Holmes did see the deadly needle. Why? Because he was looking.

Being controlled by the Beast in some acceptable form is so much a part of most people that they do not even consider looking for the Beast or his thoughtforms.

We will not look until it enters our consciousness that something may be there to look for. And what is the key that will clue us in?

Guilt.

Guilt can only exist when the eyes of the pilgrim are focused on an outward god and his thoughtform. As soon as he illusion of the outer god is completely dispelled and the inner God is trusted guilt is no more.

So if you want to know if you still have the mark of the Beast to some degree then ask this question. Am I still plagued with guilt? Is there anyone or any teaching that can make me feel guilty?

If the answer is yes, then you need to start looking for the thoughtform that has power to create the guilt.

Question:

Once the source of the guilt is discovered, how do you dispel it ands why is this a desirable thing to do?

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Dan asks:

How can you tell the difference between useful (I assume) non-external and external guilt.

JJ

All guilt is experienced internally, but has an external cause. The cause is an external substitute for the God within – the Beast. The one experiencing guilt has done something to violate the commandments or expectations of the thoughtform.

Dan:

And please define “guilt”. Do mean generally feeling “bad” over past misdeeds or must guilt also include feeling worthless, or as though one is unworthy of any “good” coming to them, or worthy of god/heaven?

JJ

Guilt has a feeling of unworthiness about it that goes beyond the feeling bad that would be the logical outcome.

If you are a good Mormon and drink coffee you’ll feel some guilt because the thoughtform commands you not to. If you do not buy into to the thoughtform you’ll feel no guilt, but you could suffer a little gas if you drink too much.

Without guilt you only suffer the effects of an action. There are no extra feelings of unworthiness or shame.

Here are a few words on guilt from my presentation at the 2005 gathering:

You are not looking for the voice of God within but the voice of god without. Now when a person goes against the voice of god without he will feel guilt. Guilt is one of the most destructive things in the universe, because guilt is caused by accepting a god without. A man, woman, Bible or even a piece of paper, or a building, something without can represent God. If you cross it and go against it you violate its will, and when you violate that you will have guilt.

The way to eliminate guilt is to eliminate the authority on the outside and put it on the inside. The 144,000 that were redeemed from the power of the Beast are those that have the name of the Father in the forehead. In other words, those that can look within with the third eye so to speak and find God — they are the ones who have escaped the power of the Beast and they have no guilt. The biblical scripture says, they are as virgins before the throne of God, and they are virgins before the throne of God because they have no guilt.

Now when I tell people that I have no guilt they think that my conscious must be seared with a hot iron, and I do not have a conscience. No, I have a conscience. When I do something wrong, I realize it is wrong and then I think that will just try not to make that mistake again.

This goes back to the definition of sin that we talked about earlier. Sin means to “miss the mark.” If you are shooting an arrow at a target and you miss it then you do not feel guilty about it but, you think “I screwed up.” If you are bowling and the ball rolls off into the gutter like what happens with Assaf all the time (laughter) then you think, “Wow that is not too bright of me to do that; give me another ball!” You can’t wait to throw that ball again so you can show everybody that you do not always throw a ball in the gutter. In either case you do not feel guilt over your mistake.

When you cross the voice of god from without then guilt is created and you experience shame, you feel like you are not worthy to move ahead and be loved by God and this guilt affects so many people. To release yourself from guilt, release yourself from every outer authority from being the voice of God, even me. It is possible that somebody might accept me as being in the place of God. My mission is not to be in the place of God but to stimulate the God within you. This is where the subtleties come in, in finding the truth about things, because if a person misunderstands the way I am teaching, then I could become a god to them so to speak. That would largely be their fault because that is not what I teach.

I teach everyone to listen to me and verify it from within. The priest, pastor, reverend, Mormon bishop and many spiritual leaders do not say, “Listen to me and then go verify it from within and if sounds right then do it.” These people will likely say, “This is what the Bible says and this is what the word of God says so go and do it and if and if you don’t do it you are going to go to hell.”

Now these people that take the place of God are very subtle. I have talked to people quite a number of times that say they have guilt and they can’t see where they have an outward authority that they are still holding on to. These outward authorities are very elusive because many of them can be traced back to an earlier life. There are lot of new agers I have met that think they have moved beyond this, but when you talk to them you will find that they still have guilt.

In other words there a lot of new agers that I have met and when you talk to them a bit you will find that they still have guilt, and when touch the areas of conversation where they have this guilt they are very sensitive about it. They are very likely to attack on you something or get irritable when you bring it up. You can’t even hardly mention a religious word or the word Bible around them without the hair on their neck standing up. Yet they claim they have left all that behind. But, if they have such a powerful reaction then they have not left it all behind. They would like to leave it all behind, they want to, but many in the metaphysics world had a bad experience in their childhood with their parents, religion, preacher or friends when they were growing up, and they still have some reservations about what they are taught.

Deep within themselves they will think, “What if the standard religion is true, what if this spiritual path I am on really does lead me down to hell and there really is a lake of fire down there and I am going to get thrown in it?” They try to block this out of their minds but instead of blocking it out of their minds it has to be evaporated with soul contact.

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Sept 3, 2014

The Fun Thing to Do

Adam and Greg talked about fears that are not only a concern to them but many others.

Adam’s goes something like this: He fears that he may not progress the way he should and may backslide and have to relearn lessons over and over. It seems at times that the dark side is more fun and exciting and you have to endure quite a bit of boredom to live the spiritual life and make some real progress.

Greg had similar fears and was concerned about having to slay the same dragon over and over as well as face those who hate him when he is reborn in the future.

First, let me point out that the bonding through this negative emotion comes when you hate another person. On the other hand, if another hates you and you show no hate in return you will be free unless you made some type of error that generated that hate. Those who hate you when you do not hate back will encounter you, or someone like you again, but you will be in the position of power, not them.

The important thing we need to do here is dispel the illusion that the dark side is more fun. The reason many think this is because they see that which religion or society frowns upon as evil and a lot of these things are fun. Here are a few things some people see as evil but is really fun.

(1) Sex

(2) Drinking alcoholic beverages.

(3) Eating certain foods and beverages.

(4) Partying, dancing having a good time.

(5) Being a rebel

Now all the above can be carried to excess and be harmful but practiced in harmlessness can lead to many good times and when you have a good time with a clear conscience you have a lot more enjoyment than one who is aware that he is hurting other people.

Most of us have seen the movie Footloose. In it the local preacher had a lot of clout and it seemed that he wanted everything banned that was fun including dancing. Now, if we use a guy like that for a spiritual model then, yes, it certainly looks like the way of righteousness is boring indeed.

But his ways were contrary to the true ways of righteousness. Kevin Bacon represented the light there and the lights in the movie were the ones who knew how to have a good time. The great part was that Kevin Bacon bested the minister on his own turf by quoting scripture about David dancing before the Lord.

There is nothing that is more fun than confronting someone who is paralyzed in ignorance and shedding a light that they cannot ignore.

Let us look at what those on the dark side do and ask ourselves, is this really a fun thing to do?

A guy may satisfy his sexual urges by betraying his faithful supporting partner. Just think of how your partner would feel knowing the truth, and try to find fun in that experience.

Some think it is fun to humiliate other people, but this isn’t fun for anyone in the light.

Some think they are getting away with something when they steal from their neighbor, but theft is not fun to the person on the right hand path.

The point of view for seeker of the light is this: Doing things that harm other people is not a source of fun. Unfortunately, some receive temporary glee by hurting other people but the one basking in light and love will seek enjoyment through other means – and those other means will bring much more satisfaction than harmful actions ever will.

That said, I cannot imagine Adam or Greg ever getting satisfaction over harming other people. Many true seekers though are concerned about harming themselves. Addictions are a source of self-harm and such things do need to be controlled. But we must realize that an addiction to a thing removes the fun from using it with wisdom.

All seekers are concerned that they may backslide or fail in their life’s mission and have to come back and repeat lessons. That is a chance we all take when coming to earth. But even though we have this risk there is no shortage of volunteers waiting to be born. There are seven billion of us here on earth now and more on the way.

One thing we should never do is let a fear of failure keep us from moving forward. Think back to the Parable of Decision in the Immortal. The guy who made the most progress was the guy who seemed to be sent to hell. The guys who made no progress were the two who played it safe.

The important thing is to keep your intentions pure and follow the highest you know but take some time to smell the roses and have some fun in the process.

Sept 4, 2014

Fear/Concern

Adam:

Hell, if God has fear then I’m sure as darn-tootin’ glad that I do. What would get done without it?

JJ

Yeah, those who say they have no fear are just fooling themselves. It is interesting that even fear works out as duality as follows:

(1) Fear/Paralysis. This is the reaction to fearful things that wherein the person plays the role of the victim and succumbs to the thing feared as if it had already occurred and there is nothing he can do about it. This type of fear negates positive action and is one of the greatest negative forces we face as human beings.

Often this type of fear is based on illusion. The things feared may have no foundation in reality.

(2) Fear/Concern. This occurs when the person surveys the situation and sees the strong possibilities of negative, undesirable events in the future. This person is not paralyzed by fear, but motivated by it. He may fear that his children may be facing a world in the future much worse than he had to face and this motivates him to make the world a better place and teach them to be self sufficient.

One may have fear/concern that he will backslide and perhaps choose the dark side. To counter this he keeps his mind focused in the light, on positive things and seeks to serve his fellow men.

The first fear is negative and causes one to run from the problem or stop and do nothing like the two guys in the parable of Decision.

The second fear is a motivator and causes us to wake up to those things that can cause problems and do that we can to solve them.

Adam asks what I fear. I fear nothing that paralyzes me, but do have a number of concerns, the greatest is that the lights on the earth will not do enough to turn back the forces of evil which are surfacing. This gives me concern for the rising generation including my kids and grandkids. Every time I see a little innocent child I think of how he deserves a chance for a free and productive life and am motivated to push forward with the highest I know. This brings me to the final concern of having the strength that I need to finish the job I came here to do.

Sept 5, 2014

Weapons of the Beast

We discussed the beast quite a bit shortly after this forum was created many moons ago. In addition, I wrote quite extensively about it in my book The Unveiling. Still it seemed there was more to be said about it, seeing the Beast is a subtle thing and difficult for many to recognize. We therefore examined him one more time and gained some further insight.

There is always more to discover about the Beast.

We have seen that the Beast uses fear and guilt as a means of outward control of the masses. Does this mean that those who say they have no fear or guilt are free of its powerful influence?

No. While it is true that those who are free of the mark of the Beast will not be paralyzed by fear or guilt it is also true that you can find some people under the control of the Beast who just do not fear or have guilt about those things that affect average people. The psychopath, for instance, not only does not have guilt, but has no conscience either. A disciple free of the mark of the Beast will be free of the paralysis caused by guilt, but he will have a sensitive conscience, giving him a strong sense of right and wrong. The there are those who do have fear and guilt but deny those feelings within themselves.

Those who suppress or negate fear and guilt are still subject to the thoughtforms of the Beast but are wild cards and not dependable. Therefore, the Beast has no problem getting them out of the way and placing them in an institution or prison.

Perhaps the most important step we must all take to free ourselves from control is to honestly examine ourselves and our thoughts and feelings.

It is difficult to transmit the understanding of a principle through listing black and white statements. Such statements can be a good guide for the soul, but there are almost always exceptions to every rule.

The strange thing is that 99% or more of those who are controlled by some of the thoughtforms of the Beast are oblivious to the fact that they are being controlled.

In addition to fear and guilt there is one more aspect of human nature we all have that is very useful to the Beast in his control of humanity. And what is that?

DESIRE.

Assignment:

(1) How does the Beast use desire to control people?

(2) What is the desire that we all have that gives him the greatest power?

(3) Why is desire becoming an increasingly important weapon now that laws restrict him burning heretics at the stake?

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The question:

What is the desire that we all have that gives him the greatest power?

The answer we have so far is money, sex and power. Though these are ingredients used for manipulation these are not the source of its greatest power.

Think of a humble church member who lives a chaste life, seeks no power and donates lots of money to the church. What desire does the Beast use to control him and most of the people on the planet?

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Sept. 7, 2014

Pawns of the Beast

The question:

What is the desire that we all have that gives the Beast the greatest power?

Glad to see the group putting on their thinking caps. We’ve had some good answers put forward and there is truth in them all, but there is one paramount desire that the Beast uses for his control.

Here are some of the answers we received:

Keith

The good man is satisfied with the status quo. He desires to learn nothing new. The good man lives in the illusion of self-satisfaction.

lwk:

The fear of public disapproval, removal of fellowship and membership if he goes against accepted beliefs.

Leaselann:

He desires to be righteous, to not offend God, to go to heaven (or the highest kingdom), he desires God’s approval through the approval of “those that speak for him”

Greg:

We all seek to be loved, to belong, to be preserved (saved).

Ruth:

The need to belong

Adam:

Maybe we all just desire wholeness, completeness, union, or simply to be accepted and validated by whomever and whatever – sometimes at any cost.

Even more basic … If loss is the underlying factor in all fear, then maybe we really just desire safety and security.

Dan:

Desire for acknowledgment/recognition of his “righteousness” (glory) – to be SOMEBODY (of renown/importance) in the eyes of the Lord – ego.

Several of you touched on the core desire and I think that by the time we are finished discussing this that all will see that it does indeed give the Beast consistent power to control.

The core desire the Beast uses is our desire to belong, to be accepted by our friends and associates in the groups in which we find ourselves.

This desire spawns a fear well worded by lwk:

“The fear of public disapproval, removal of fellowship and membership if he goes against accepted beliefs.”

If you do not think that the desire to belong and the fears of not belonging are powerful tools then you need look no further than our elected politicians for proof.

Time and time again we hear our new representatives and senators running for office telling us that they are different – that when they get to Washington that they will not go along with the mindset there but will work for positive change with the needs of the people at home in mind.

And then what happens? He winds up just like most of the others voting for the party line. If a piece of legislation is important to the party bosses and groupthink then often we will witness a 100% party line vote or close to it. Often we will witness our dear representative voting quite differently than he promised. But then, of course, when he comes home he always comes up with a plausible explanation for his behavior.

So… what causes this to happen?

Is it greed? No. Sometimes the vote will be against his own best interests.

Is it sex? Not really. Many of those in lockstep are faithful to their spouses.

Is it power? Not necessarily. Many risk reelection by voting against the will of the people who elected them.

Here is what happens. The guy goes to Washington and all past relationships become subservient to the new one. His main focus is his new group of friends in Congress, not the ones back home. Why? Because these are the ones with whom he now works shoulder to shoulder and the longer he works with them the greater is his sense of belonging. As the sense of belonging increases the greater is the desire to not break that bond and cooperate.

The thing that seals this bond is the thoughtform created by Congress as a whole as well as the part played by both parties. Everyone senses what they must do to belong and knows a price will be paid if the thoughtform is challenged. If it is, the representative may be shunned as a loathsome thing and the sense of belonging will evaporate.

The Beast uses this sense of belonging to control all people in all groups, from families to business, to lodges, to churches and associations.

It is true that at times a threat may come forward that is of more temporary concern. Perhaps in extreme circumstances a person’s life or livelihood may be threatened. What is different about the sense of belonging is that the need is present at all times, seven days a week and such a need has a consistent influence on the people involved.

The more powerful and restrictive the thoughtform the greater the need to belong and have the approval of associates.

The Mormon Church is a great example of an organization with a powerful thoughtform. For many members the sense of belonging is the main impetus to stay in the church, and the fear of disapproval is often higher than any fear of what happens after death.

I have known a number of excommunicated Mormons and it never ceases to amaze me how much many of them miss the fellowship and approval of the members. After being kicked out many will go through extreme humiliation in an effort to show leaders and members that they are still one of them and want their fellowship.

If you are in a non religious group composed of doctors, lawyers, union workers etc you will be under the influence of a thoughtform to conform and not cause the disapproval of associates.

Why will so few doctors talk about the disadvantages of radiation treatment or the advantages of natural cures?

Because their fellow doctors will scorn and reject them,

Question. It would be a pretty lonely world if we found that we did not belong anywhere. How does the disciple counter the threat of isolation and rejection?

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The Dark Night

The Question. It would be a pretty lonely world if we found that we did not belong anywhere. How does the disciple counter the threat of isolation and rejection?

Dan writes:

Luckily, you have taught us about passing through the “dark night of the soul”, finding our true group, and becoming a node of the “spiritual internet”.

JJ

When teaching about the Molecular Relationship I have taught this important principle: Relationship is everything. Without relationships there would be no life, no joy, no incentives – nothing of value to be had.

It therefore makes sense that the Beast would use the fear of rejection, excommunication, or some type of shunning or disapproval of others as a key method of control.

Throughout history, it has always been the case that those seekers who are the cutting edge of progress or spiritual evolution have been shunned by the masses and have had few real friends. These great souls have often suffered through extended periods of loneliness and have had to deal with the lingering feeling that there is no one else like them or anyone who can understand them.

We are all in the same boat in the fact that we need quality relationships and acceptance from some source to make life worthwhile. So even an advanced soul has this need and thus is subject to the temptation of being controlled by the Beast just so he can continue to have a few enjoyable relationships in life.

But, as Dan pointed out, the key to solving the problem is not to give homage to the Beast, but to find our true inner group through the soul. When this is accomplished the disciple realizes that he is never alone as he has relationship on a higher level with many great souls. When this contact is made the disciple can then work in peace in great isolation and rejection if necessary.

Even so, there’s nothing quite like a relationship with a like-minded soul on the physical plane. Any such relationship that the disciple encounters on the physical plane where there is soul to soul communication, trust and friendship is looked upon as a bonus for him while in this physical sojourn.

The seeker who has not made contact with his group, or only caught a glimpse now and then has a greater struggle with the isolation. When there is no one there on the physical plane who seems to support him it does seem that he is indeed alone and this is a problem. He just can’t snap his fingers and make group spiritual contact. That will come naturally when he is ready. Here is what he can do:

(1) Realize the tactics of the Beast and not give into them in an attempt to have meaningful relationships.

(2) Realize that this loneliness is a temporary problem. After death you will reunite with like minded souls and more seekers are manifesting on the earth all the time as spiritual evolution proceeds.

(3) There are like-minded souls out there and it may take a little work to find them. Fortunately, in this day of the Internet you can find most anything. We in this group have found each other and are a source of support to each other. Those who find a mate or friends who are on the same wavelength who they can associate with in person are fortunate indeed.

Assignment:

Here are excerpts from Revelation 13 about the Beast. Can you see how the interpretation set forth here fits so well with the Law of Correspondences?

And they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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Bailey Accusation of New World Order

Dean:

There will be no liberty of thought or conscience all issues will be decided by the state, and the private citizen will have no right to an opinion. Men will be drafted like slaves into the service of the state-Alice Bailey

Externalization of the hierarchy pg 101

To me it sounds like communism or the Nazi party, yes?

JJ

You must have gotten this quote from some anti Bailey site for you left off the key words.

In the world order of the Axis powers, (Nazis and Fascists) the individual has no rights; he has no freedom except in so far as he serves the state; there will be no liberty of thought or conscience, all issues will be decided by the state, and the private citizen will have no right to an opinion. Men will be drafted like slaves into the service of the state.

So, yes, AAB was talking about the Nazis, and the quote is from page 188 not 101.

Sept 9, 2014

Bailey Accusation

Dean:

According to the link I sent you its on page 101. http://www.alice.bailey.it/images/testi-inglese/The-Externalization-of-the-Hierarchy.pdf

JJ

The pages of that PDF are much different than the book. In the book as well as the official digital text the page is 188, but that only matters in the fact that it helps us to know we are talking about the same thing.

Dean:

Wasn’t Hitler merely trying to bring in ‘the new world order’ conditions described on page 102 of this writing? Is that not the same ideals as Hitler? It describes 9 premises of the new world order.

JJ

Jesus was also trying to bring in a new world order, but that doesn’t mean he and Hitler had the same goals and values.

DK and the Brotherhood of Light want a new order where basic freedoms are secured and the nations will seeks peace and cooperation instead of war and control over the minds of men. DK was one of the few teachers who opposed Hitler from the beginning and saw him for what he was. To place the two in the same category is plain silly.

Both the good guys and the bad guys want change, but in different directions.

Sept 11, 2014

Bible Codes and Allegory

Today is September 11, 13 years since the Twin Towers disaster. Let us hope today will be uneventful, though we know that there are those who wish otherwise.

There are a number of teachers, thinkers and writers who tell us that the real meaning of the scriptures is hidden in code, allegory of symbolism. They say that if we read them and just interpret them from the words before us that we are missing the real good stuff.

Foremost among this group are those who teach about the Bible Code. This group received a lot of publicity a while back but has since faded into the woodwork.

Why?

First let us look at why they achieved their 15 minutes of fame.

They placed the Hebrew letters from the Old Testament into a computer and searched for patterns and sure enough it seemed to be discovered that the Bible had secret meaning that predicted many events in History, from Hitler and World War II to the JFK assassination and more. The more they searched for code the more good stuff they found.

The problem was that all these exact predictions had already occurred. Now what would be really impressive would be predictions of the future coming true. The Bible Code bunch took up the challenge and sure enough found yet future events in the code and published them. They told of a comet hitting the earth, World War III and atomic warfare, the Antichrist and Armageddon.

The problem no is that the date of these predictions has passed and none have come true.

Bible Code believers are mystified. Why did the code accurately relate historical events in our past, but misses the mark in predicting the future? After all, our history was the future at the time the Bible was written.

The answer is quite simple when a basic principle is understood which is this.

You find what you are looking for.

To illustrate this skeptics used Bible Code methods and applied then to modern works such as Moby Dick and other writings and sure enough – they found what they were looking for. JFK, Martin Luther King and others were found there along with historical events. But they had the same problem as the Bible Code people in that they could not find accurate future events.

As it turns out the Bible Code is pretty useless, as we already know about the historical events. If it cannot predict the future then it is telling us nothing we do not already know.

Anther system of deciphering hidden messages from the Bible is through the use of numerology. This group claims that there is much secret knowledge in the Bible revealed through the study of the numbers in the Hebrew. Each letter represents a number and by reducing the letters to numbers much is revealed. They say that all the numbers of creation are in there and have found such things as the circumference, diameter and radius of the earth. The distance from the earth to the moon and sun and lots of other dimensions.

They say that the ancients knew all these things and incorporated them in the Bible in code so they would be passed on to future generations.

There is one major flaw in this idea. Again all this hidden code only tells us things we already know. No one has ever done the numbers on the Bible and come up with accurate scientific data that had not already been discovered.

This means that if the ancients did go to all that trouble of placing hidden data in the Bible that all their efforts were for nothing – for all that information was discovered, not through Bible Code, but scientific research.

The third idea of finding hidden meaning in the Bible is that the real meat of the Bible is not found in the obvious meaning or history and teachings as presented but hidden in allegory. According to this view almost everything there has some deep meaning if we could see it.

Now every Bible student knows that idea applies to the parables of Jesus for he told us they had a deeper meaning than the people were taking in. Most also see a lot of symbolic meaning in the Book of Revelations, Isaiah and the beginning of Genesis. What this branch of thought does differently is to assume that there is deep meaning everywhere.

For instance, some say that the story of Moses and the Israelites was pure allegory and the stories of their sacrificing animals is really an allegory teaching us that we need to sacrifice or subdue our lower animal nature.

So, what is the problem with is approach?

The simple answer is that it is the same as the previous two. Those finding allegory are telling us things we already know. Every person on the spiritual path knows that he must subdue his animal nature. We do not need the story of the Israelites to tell us this in a vague manner.

From the interpretations I have seen presented of supposed allegories, I’d say the Bible writers were wasting their time if they thought they were encoding great secrets into supposed history as allegory. Telling us what we already know is not useful.

Now what is useful is to look at the Bible stories as presented and take them to heart. One does not need to see hidden meaning to be inspired by David thinking out of the box to defeat Goliath or the courage of Stephen standing up to the Jews as they stoned him to death.

I would thus end with this challenge to any of the Bible Code people, the numbers group or the allegory group to tell us something from your discoveries that is not readily available to seekers. After all, if the Bible writers placed a lot of hidden meaning in there that was supposed to enlighten us then why would it only be information that is obvious or readily available elsewhere?

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Keith:

Another interesting fact about Drosnin is he is an atheist. I also recall the Israeli mathematician who developed the code had no intention of applying it to the Bible. Drosnoin came by the code quite by accident. The entire development and implementation of the original code was the product of a non-religious affiliation by all concerned. It was only after the fact that all the religious nuts jumped on the band wagon and discredited whatever value the original code may hold.

JJ

You mention the value of the original code and this must not be overlooked. It is true that there is an amazing amount of synchronicity in the Bible. The Bible code and numerology brings forth information that seems to defy the possibility of coincidence. Then too, many Bible accounts can be used as good allegory for teaching.

So the question is this: Why is this the case? Did the Bible writers consciously write the scriptures so these codes and symbolic meaning would be there or was it something else? Does the something else explain why even Moby Dick would also seem to have code?

Sept 12, 2014

Truth Within Truth

The Question:

Did the Bible writers consciously write the scriptures so these codes and symbolic meaning would be there or was it something else?

Now there are some writings in the scriptures of the world that were written with the idea that there would be deeper meaning for those who seek. Parables are an obvious example. Then too, visions and dreams are often meant to have layers of meaning. There are a number of interpretations that can apply to the Book of Revelation, for example, or the visions of Daniel.

Some of the scriptures were compiled by caretakers who had possession of ancient manuscripts and had knowledge of stories passed down for generations and merely put together the most accurate account of which they were able. Some may have tweaked the stories and added some symbology a bit to make them more interesting to the reader and give them more on which to contemplate.

Some of the scriptures really touch the soul such as Isaiah, the Book of Revelation and the words of Jesus. Then others present a dry account with not much depth below the surface. Most of the Book of Numbers is a good example. I haven’t seen anyone come up with anything inspiring out of its boring text.

Even so, the Bible as a whole is a sublime book that has inspired many millions. But it is not alone as a book that is harmonious to the soul. Even great stories like Moby Dick present life lessons that many have found useful.

The Word which is God is not only a word as normally defined, but in the higher sense it can be an entire work, or even a person or group. When a work is in harmony with Spirit then it is a true word. The Bible itself is a Word. The Constitution is a Word. This post is a word.

Some words are in harmony with truth and others are not. When the word is in tune it becomes a pure note that creates much more than the writer may think.

To understand this think back to the example I noted earlier at a science fair where a simple sound was made and the vibration caused iron filings to form into beautiful shapes and patters. The person making the sound didn’t have to plan the patterns. They merely materialized with a pure note.

Even so, a work created in harmony with truth will have within it many patterns that can be discovered that go beyond the creators conscious planning. Within such works may be discovered codes that could reveal all kinds of mysterious numbers, patterns and information.

And this is why the Bible has been the object of discovery of inner meaning, symbols and code over the centuries. It is generally not because it was planned that way, but waves of truth hidden within truth are created when the writer focuses on true principles.

I haven’t researched it yet but I would imagine that students in the future will discover interesting synchronicity, numbers and symbols in the Song of The144,000.

There are writings, fiction and non-fiction, that are in harmony with Spirit and others that are not. Those in harmony produce waves of positive effects beyond that which can be comprehended by the masses. Those which are out of harmony lack beauty, symmetry and order, even though the grammar may be perfect.

Not counting the scriptures of the world, name three writings that would qualify as true words of Spirit.

Sept 12, 2014

Words of Spirit

The Question

Not counting the scriptures of the world, name three writings that would qualify as true words of Spirit.

Good selections were supplied by the group. Three among numerous ones I could name would be:

The writings of DK through Alice A. Bailey. The quotes given there from the Old Commentary are particularly profound.

Shakespeare is the most quoted writer of all time. There is good reason for this in that many of his words are very insightful and present truth in a way that few would disagree.

Just take a look at some of his quotes:

Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.

There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.

There is a tide in the affairs of men, Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures.

All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players: they have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts, his acts being seven ages.

To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.

Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.

What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Listen to many, speak to a few.

The undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns.

The course of true love never did run smooth.

Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once.

To be, or not to be, that is the question.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

We are such stuff as dreams are made on; and our little life is rounded with a sleep.

Neither a borrower nor a lender be.

We cannot conceive of matter being formed of nothing, since things require a seed to start from… Therefore there is not anything which returns to nothing, but all things return dissolved into their elements.

Words without thoughts never to heaven go.

Nature hath framed strange fellows in her time.

For my third selection I would give the writings of Joseph Smith.

Among his revelations in the Doctrine and Covenants, sections 76, 88 and 93 are quite impressive.

LINK

His address at the funeral of King Follett may just be the greatest breakthrough speech of spiritual knowledge made public up to that time.

LINK

And speaking of code, the Book of Mormon has a lot to offer. One of them is the discovery of Chiasmus in the Book, similar to those found in the Bible.

Here is an article on it:

Allan tells us that Bible history is really allegory, but I would say that real history itself the truest allegory of all.

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Sept 12, 2014

Vegetarian Diet

Anonymous to Jim:

Perhaps you are out of place in this forum also. JJ has stated that he too is a vegetarian — as set forth by Alice Bailey.

JJ

First, all are welcome here whether they agree with us or not as long as they have something positive to contribute and are civil. Jim seems to be a very interesting guy and look forward to hearing more from him.

Secondly, I am not presently a vegetarian, though I have been on a raw foods vegetarian diet part of my life. I have had enough experience with both diets to understand the advantages of each. I find no benefit from the vegetarian diet as far as enlightenment or receiving spiritual knowledge goes. The same goes with spiritual experiences. I have received my greatest spiritual experiences while on a meat eating diet.

Some of the advantages of the vegetarian diet are:

(1) It is good for the inner work if you want to astral travel or do heavy meditation.

(2) It lessens the pull of material forces, but if you are a focused meat eater you can just ignore that pull.

(3) If done right with the inclusion of lots of raw foods it is good for your health. If one eats a lot of dead vegetarian foods then it may be less healthy than eating lots of meat.

The fact that Hitler was a vegetarian and non drinker while FDR and Churchill were big meat eaters and drinkers illustrates the truth of the statement of Jesus that it is “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.” Matt 15:11

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Sept 14, 2014

To Veg or not to Veg

Anonymous Quotes from Esoteric Psychology, Vol 1, Page 241 as follows:

One point of interest might here be noted. It is known esoterically that the vegetable kingdom is the transmitter and the transformer of the vital pranic fluid to the other forms of life on our planet. That is its divine and unique function. This pranic fluid, in its form of the astral light, is the reflector of the divine akasha. The second plane therefore reflects itself in the astral plane. Those who seek to read the akashic records, or who endeavour to work upon the astral plane with impunity, and there to study the reflection of events in the astral light correctly, have perforce and without exception to be strict vegetarians. It is this ancient Atlantean lore which lies behind the vegetarian’s insistence upon the necessity for a vegetarian diet, and which gives force and truth to this injunction. It is the failure to conform to this wise rule which has brought about the misinterprertions of the astral and akashic records by many of the psychics of the present time, and has given rise to the wild and incorrect reading of past lives. Only those who have been for ten years strict vegetarians can work thus in what might be called the “record aspect of the astral light”. When they add to their purified astral and physical bodies the light of reason and illumination of the focussed mind (which is very rarely found), then they become accurate interpreters of astral phenomena. Their link with the vegetable kingdom is then very close and unbreakable, and that link or binding chain will lead them through the door to the scene of their investigations.

JJ

This statement from DK agrees with my last post where I spoke of the advantages of the vegetarian diet, one of which is:

It is good for the inner work if you want to astral travel or do heavy meditation.

If one wants to read the Akashic records accurately or do a lot of the inner work while in the flesh it is a big help to go on a vegetarian diet. Since this is not the course I am pursuing then I have not found this necessary. I have gone on fasts and raw foods diets in the past more for health than spiritual purposes. My greatest gift is to tap into the intuitive plane wherein the understanding of principles lie and diet has very little effect on that ability, as long as I maintain my health.

I have little interest in my own development in this life, for my purpose is to bring down knowledge and will that will aid in the transformation of human consciousnesses so we can take a step in the direction that will take us to manifesting the will of God on earth as it is in heaven.

It may be helpful to give the rest of the quote. DK continues:

But unless the goal of a vegetarian diet is this field of service, the arguments for its following and for that form of diet are usually futile and of no real moment. From the standpoint of the eternal verities, what a man eats or wears are seen in a connotation very different to that of the one-pointed fanatic. Let me again reiterate that this whole problem of the taking of life (whether in the vegetable or the animal kingdom) is a far bigger one than we know, and should be approached from an angle different (not only in degree but in kind) to that of the taking of life in the human family. The three aspects of divinity meet in man, and with the destiny of a divine son of God no one must interfere. Where the two aspects of divinity are concerned, as in the subhuman kingdoms, the attitude can be otherwise, and the emerging truth is different to that which the little minds believe.

The vegetarian diet is very helpful for the inner work, but can be a distraction for the outer. One of the main lessons my soul guided me to learn concerned dealing with the outer world and I found that being on a vegetarian diet as I struggled with this was not helpful at all. The more refined the diet I was on the more I wanted to retreat into the inner and ignore the outer, but alas that is not in harmony with my mission so I eat meat and drink some wine to keep me grounded and focused where I need to be at present. That of course could change if the need requited it.

I do not think many vegetarians realize the negative effect that would be produced within the animal kingdom if we all turned into vegetarians tomorrow. Most of the cattle, chickens, lamb, pigs, etc., would lose their source of sustenance and would suffer enormous depravation and death. Some species would be in danger of extinction.

Some of the large farms these days do abuse farm animals and I try and avoid buying from these.

Cows, chickens, pigs, and other farm animals raised for food on small farms often have a close relationship with humans and have their evolution enhanced. Farmers often talk to these animals, name them and feel genuine affection toward them. In return these animals are stimulated and do acquire a sense of higher relationship toward their masters which wild animals never develop. These domestic animals are thus stimulated in their evolution toward the human kingdom just as teachers among us stimulate our human evolution toward the Kingdom of God. Our own evolution toward the Kingdom of God often carries with it much more sacrifice than that experienced by the domestic animals. Domestic animals, for instance, are often taken better care of than are those in the wild at the hands of nature.

Even though an animal may be sacrificed for food the farmer may incur more positive karma than negative if he treats it humanely and makes its stay here on earth a pleasant experience.

As time passes humanity will move toward a vegetarian diet but for sometime in the future there will be a percentage of meat eaters who will insure the preservation of domestic animals such as cattle, sheep pigs, chickens etc. The cruel conditions of the large farms will be turned around as humanity grows to respect the lives in the animal kingdom.

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Anonymous:

Shalom JJ:

What you are saying is that you and the people in this forum are satisfied to be as Pharisees — even to the degree of rejecting a disciple of the Christ when he is invited into this forum to speak to the membership.

JJ

You wish us peace and then insult us as being Pharisees. That is extremely incongruent. Even Jesus did not have a problem with people merely disagreeing with him and did not hang his head down feeling rejected.

Anonymous

What you and DK portray as a fanatic, I have been for countless lifetimes.

JJ

Obviously your vegetarian diet isn’t much help for you in seeing truth for I never portrayed vegetarians as fanatics. After all, some of the members here are vegetarians. Why would I insult them?

Anonymous:

Moreover, I am married to a fellow fanatic who has herself achieved Buddhihood in her own past lives.

JJ

I haven’t seen any such evidence of the described achievement by you or your wife. Just you saying a thing is true doesn’t make it so. Most people with a little help can see their past lives and be guided to their higher self. That by itself does very little to increase any degree of attainment. Real attainment is gained through hard fought struggles in real life.

Anonymous:

For us, it would be a sin to eat the flesh of dead animals.

JJ

For you it probably would be, but not for me.

Anonymous:

Yet, like a true Pharisee, you began our relationship by condemning me when I was speaking the truth to the forum members.

JJ

Maybe you need to eat a little meat to stimulate your thinking as again you are wrong. I have never condemned you. If you think I have please supply the actual quote of my words. I have only disagreed with some of your teachings and that is a much different animal than condemnation. I disagree with my wife on some things but even her sensitive female does not see me as condemning her.

Anonymous:

And while this is the objective (bodily purification) of the Nazirene Disciple forum, it is not the objective of the people in this, the Keysters forum.

JJ

Well, you are right there. I certainly do not lay down the law on bodily purification, but leave it up to the members as to what they want to do. I try to follow the example of Joseph Smith who said, “I teach correct principles and let people govern themselves.”

The purpose of this group is not to guarantee anyone’s salvation or to make sure they are on the right diet but to give out true principles which they can then interpret and act upon according to their free will.

There are many teachers out there who have written many treatises without shedding new light on any principle let alone give out new ones. Many here who seek the principles behind things find this to be an oasis of knowledge.

Anonymous:

You are satisfied with reading the books and the wisdom of men, and being good church-type of people.

JJ

Yet again, your sense of truth is lacking as few here attend any church. If we are not interested in attending church or establishing one then we are hardly church-type.

Anonymous:

Yet, in this forum, Jim was permitted to openly denigrate mystics such as myself who dwell under the Nazirene Vow.

JJ

And you were allowed to compare us to the Pharisees who crucified Christ. I’d say you are the champion denigrator so far and don’t have much right to complain.

Anonymous:

If you had confessed to Stephen that you are satisfied with being a church-type authority who derives their wisdom from books and higher-level carnal thinking,

JJ

Stephen is not my priest. So… if I get my wisdom and teachings from books and you do not, then why is it that perhaps most of your teachings are found in books and many of mine are not? So, where then do my many teachings found in no book come from? And how can you say that your teachings are not from books when you just repeat teachings already found in books???

Anonymous:

You not only portrayed yourself as the highest source of truth…

JJ

If diet helps with enlightenment then you need to change yours for you are absolutely wrong again. I have never portrayed myself this way.

Anonymous:

but you portrayed the body of Nazirene Disciple forum members as being ignorant of the great truths which you espoused. In the same manner as the Pharisees who rejected and crucified the Christ.

JJ

There you go again with the insults, but getting more virulent.

Anonymous:

Now we have the question: Are you going to go to Stephen and tell him that while your ideas of a high-level spiritual community was conceptional, the actual community can only be inaugurated by a higher-level group outside of the Keysters forum?

JJ

Again your sense of perception is askew. The Keys is a classroom and it was not organized to set up a community, but for the sharing of knowledge. If a community gets set up that is in harmony with higher will then I suspect that some members will join, but I do not see them being attracted to anything you might be in charge of as it would be too old school and restrictive for them.

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Anonymous:

I was guided here to help you and your forum achieve your higher spiritual goals.

JJ

And maybe you are seeing things backwards as you have in many statements you made about me. Maybe you were guided here to discover the error of your ways.

Maybe there are things you need to confess to Stephen.

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Sept 15, 2014

Allegory and History

The Assignment:

Contemplate current events and tell us one or more truths revealed by them.

JJ

Adam was the only one enterprising enough to respond to this. He mentioned ISIS and the fact that evil triumphs when good men do nothing. He gave some good quotes from Winston Churchill. I’ll just repeat one I liked: “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.”

One of the best allegories from true events of recent history is found in the ascent and descent of President Obama in the minds of the public. He was elected on the empty promise of hope and change. Most who voted for him did not know what the hope was based on or what change they could expect. It was like he was saying, “hope and change, you fill in the blanks as to what that hope and change may be.”

So, he was basically elected on a catch phrase with no substance behind it, except for that which was in the imagination of the people. This catch phrase delivered with polish carried so much weight that he became the first person to be awarded the Nobel Prize for doing nothing, except making promises.

This true story reminds me of the fable of The Emperor’s New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen about two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that is invisible to those unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the emperor parades before his subjects in his new clothes the people are so captivated by his authority that none will admit that their leader is naked. This continues until a child yells out, “But he isn’t wearing anything at all!”

Obama’s promises were naked, but like the people in the story, if you were not unfit, stupid or incompetent then you were supposed to have seen that his words were really clothed with brilliance. Unfortunately, those who cried out that the promises had no clothes of substance were ignored until now when the nakedness is becoming obvious and many are realizing they were made naked promises.

Anonymous has been quoting Alice A. Bailey and Theosophy on diet with the implication that we should be following what they say.

According to what has been taught here over the years what is the true criteria that determines whether or not a disciple will follow a teaching?

If a person follows something merely because someone says he should what does that say about him?

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Welcome to the group Rich.

Truth is spiritual whether it be religious, philosophical, scientific or political. We do not care here which division truth is in – we only care if a thing is true or the highest we know as far as truth is perceived.

Truth benefits all races and is inclusive.

If you disagree with what I sad about Obama that is fine. All views are welcome here as long as they do not take us too far off topic and are civil.

So, what spiritual path do you follow?

Sept 17, 2014

Inclusiveness

Jim:

No one on KOK tries to force any one who wanders in to start gobbling Red Meat with the blood oozing out, or smacking on Pork Chops as their initiation requirement to fellowship and sharing ,…….( with out dogmatizing )! Or suddenly becoming a Alice Bailey DK Mormon New Ager as a requirement to fellowship among other Seekers who have not yet be able to arrive at the subjection secret Garden of Eden where Anonymous claims to project from. I also haven’t read any Ananthamas against ALL other paths as is usually done on all of Alan’s Forums that declare from Anonymous’s subjectional Dogmas and his “shepherding” of seekers.

JJ

You have excellently stated one of the core differences between our forum and Anonymous’s. Or for that matter, our forum and most anything out there with an ideological content.

Consider what caused Anonymous and his group to originally be offended. It looked like Stephens idea of cooperation wasn’t going to get off the ground, but I did see one item of doctrine that I thought would be good for group discussion. Anonymous teaches that the Bible writers’ presentation of history was not literally true, but altered (I’d say fabricated, but Anonymous does not like that word) in such a way to present hidden truth through allegory. So I posed the question to the group as to whether this altering of history would be justified in order to present higher truth, especially when most people (including Einstein and Newton) would take the history to be a literally true presentation.

Anonymous and his inner core were extremely offended by us examining this idea and even accused us of distortion and lying about him. Yet he never presented any evidence of distortion nor were able to point out any accusation of Anonymous being a liar. It is interesting that outside of an original mention of Anonymous presenting the teaching we were going to discuss the doctrine as it stands alone without further mention of him or his group.

Groups such as Anonymous’s do not want their doctrine examined on a mental reasonable basis. You can only have a friendly conversation with them if you start with the premise that you agree with basic doctrines.

When you, ImAHebrew and his brother came here Anonymous warned us that you do not agree with us100%. By his criteria, then I should have rejected you. But as long as a person is civil and not just mindlessly attacking we are open to a reasonable discussion of anything taught here. If we find a flaw in the principles of reason we are happy to correct and move on. If two cannot reach agreement then normally some things will be put on the shelf and we will move on.

Some of my strongest supporters here have strongly disagreed with me in he past and still do not see all things as I do, but we are still friends and I am happy to have them here.

I doubt if there is anyone in Anonymous’s circle who, in the past, spent several weeks in fierce disagreement with him on a core teaching. I would guess that such a person would be written off as belonging to outer darkness.

Anyway, Jim, ImAHebrew and others who may not agree on all things are welcome here. All we ask is that members feel there is something here for them, seek to contribute in as positive manner as possible and be relatively civil. All are free to question anything said here without fear of being shunned.

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Sept 18, 2014

Adam and Dan are contemplating deep thoughts that deserve some additional comment.

Adam says:

I’m still getting some cross-over in terminology, which makes me go squint-eyed trying to figure out when the discussion is about the Multiverse consciousness and when it is the Universe consciousness.

JJ

When we talk about the one God we are generally referring to the One Great Life whose life permeates all there is in all universes. What is left unsaid is that human consciousness can only tune into that portion of God that flows through the ring-pass-not of the system in which he dwells. For all but a few high initiates humans are limited to tuning into the life of God as it manifests here on planet earth.

Right now, the consciousness of God is developing through human type lives throughout the physical universe. When you get to levels above human such as planets, suns and galaxies the evolution of he indwelling life is not very advanced and proceeds with a different reckoning of time..

Let us take the earth for example. It has an indwelling life which is an extension of God just as we are, but it has not evolved to a level on its own plane that a human has on his. And a human has not evolved as much on his plane as an atom has in its state of relative perfection.

The most advanced being on the earth is the Planetary Logos, or Ancient of Days. Because he tunes into all the life on earth he is sometimes confused with being the indwelling life of the earth, but that is not him. He is merely a very advanced human who works with and stimulates the indwelling life of the planet.

This same principle applies to the solar system as a whole. It is presided over by an advanced human Logos, but the indwelling life of the whole still has a long way to go.

Advanced human lives who serve as a logos only go so far up. The Logos who is The One About Who Naught Can Be Said is the highest known. There doesn’t appear to be any advanced human or group evolved enough to govern a galaxy, the universe or multiverse. That all will come many billions of years hence.

Meanwhile the life of God in an elementary form is evolving in the galaxy and beyond and when the galaxy reaches a certain point of evolution a very advanced human logos will join with it to create governing principles to stimulate higher evolution.

Adam:

The question at this point is whether or not the Universes inside the Multiverse are sufficient “Atoms” for the Multiverse to manifest in physical consciousness following each “perfected” state of 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 OR must the Multiverse wait until each Universe finalizes its individual decision to become whatever it set out to become – in the case of our Universe – a relatively perfected 12.

JJ

As the Universe of Seven nears perfection, after many incarnations, then it will commune with other universes who are also nearing perfection. When relative perfection is reached they will unite together and create the Universe of Eight, where there will exist eight creative rays rather than seven, which will then greatly multiply the possibilities of creation.

Dan:

“What I mean is, for example, did the ‘big bang’ happen on the universal or metaversal (or metametauniversal, etc) level?” Adam adds: [first?] chicken or chicken? or simul-chicken?

JJ

Wherever an extension of the life of God begins there is a correspondence to a big bang. For instance, at conception there is almost an explosion of cell creation, the doubling of which slows as the pregnancy evolves. Even so, a planet, a sun and a galaxy began with a seed around which gathers an explosion of growth that later levels off.

The reason the Big Bang for the Universe was so dramatic was because it happened in a different time reckoning. Billions of years of evolution occurred in less than a second.

Did the multiverse also start with a Big Bang? Actually, we are in the middle of its Big Bang as we speak.

For those who say I just read books and come up with this stuff I ask this question. Where are the books that talk about these things we are discussing or cover the knowledge given in the Grand Tour of my book Eternal Words?

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Sept 19, 2014

Anonymous quotes a lot from the Gospel of Thomas and I assume he thinks it predates the gospels of the New Testament. Craig Evans has done a lot of investigation into its dating and concludes that Thomas was not only written after the gospels but uses them as source material in many instances. He dates Thomas to be around 180 AD and the Gospel of the Nazirenes to be around 150 AD.

Here is a link to the section of his book dealing with this.

LINK

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The Laggards

Ruth mentioned that I didn’t answer her last questions so here goes:

Ruth

JJ: “Human type life is fairly rare on physical planets but much more abundant on the spiritual doubles.”

Is this because the Laggards are sent to physical planets to pass harder tests and take harder initiations?

JJ

No. There are laggards in every sphere wherein there is life. Some always progress faster than others no matter what the surroundings are.

I didn’t quite understand the rest of her questions so I’ll just say a few things about laggards and hopefully the answer will be there.

The laggards are old souls who are quite adept in the ways of living. In a previous system they merely did not evolve into higher spiritual consciousness and thus had to incarnate in another round as regular humans to complete their evolution. Instead of us assisting and teaching them it is often the other way around and they often teach us since many of them have advanced minds. Einstein for example was a laggard. But as intelligent as he was he was not sure that life continues after death. He did believe a higher intelligence governed the universe, but did not believe in the God of any religion.

DK tells us that in this round 60% of humanity will advance to spiritual consciousness. Most of the laggards will advance to this group. The 40% will be the laggards that will finish their schooling on another planet.

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Ra seems to think I was being super negative in presenting a fairly objective analysis of the date of the Gospel of Thomas.

What is it with you Allenites that whenever we discuss something in an objective manner, that you use or believe in, that you think it is negative and should not have been presented?

You guys can knock yourself out analyzing anything I teach. Why do you not want to look at your teachings and materials in the light of day? It might bring you some new knowledge.

If you read the whole of the material I linked you will see that the writer did a pretty good job of presenting both sides of the argument and if there is something posted with which you disagree, instead of complaining that is negative then give the evidence to the contrary. And even if the material is one-sided (as most is) where is the harm in presenting it if anyone is free to post the other side.

I think his most impressive argument for the late second century is, in his words, “the number of specific contacts between the Gospel of Thomas and Syrian Gospel traditions and other Syrian religious traditions” when the Syrian writings are dated to around 180 AD.

Whatever the case, the seeker should judge any writing, not by its date, but by the amount of light and truth contained within. But if it is important to establish them as the actual words of Jesus then the earlier the date the greater is the probability that they will be his words. Of course, the teachings could still be true no matter who wrote them.

Tell me one verse of the Gospel of Thomas that reveals a truth of which you were not aware until you read it there.

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Sept 20, 2014

Deep Thoughts

Adam:

So when a cosmic question is asked by a student, I wonder if you were hoping to present the material down the road, or if you only wished to hint at certain answers that are within your database, or grasp, or if you sometimes have to go to the “well” with some questions, to seek further information and clarification from within?

JJ

Sometimes I am asked questions that delve into future material. This happened a while back as I was giving a class here in Boise. Susie Wong asked me a question that could only be answered by partially explaining an unrevealed Key. After giving out information on it I decided to present it more fully at a Gathering.

Then, sometimes I am asked a question I have not even thought of myself. Sometimes such questions can be answered by good common sense and reason and other times I have to stretch my mind up to the intuitive plane.

Greg:

You pointed out that as the human race develops and progresses that advanced Logos will stimulate and work with galaxies, universes, etc. The question is, as we evolve, develop, and progress, will you and I and all of mankind become (I do not use that word arbitrarily) the entities that you discussed, that will incarnate in worlds, solar systems, galaxies, universes etc? As the universe of 7 becomes perfected will highly evolved human entities still exist or will we be part of the development of other worlds, solar systems, galaxies, universes etc?

JJ

There are two types of entities that preside over the larger lives such as planets and solar system. The most advanced at his time are entities who have passed through the human system. These have been called Masters, Chohans, Logoi or Gods by many. They are not the one God, but share Its consciousness. There is always one that presides, but many others who assist and preside over their own spheres of labor.

The second type of entity is the life itself that incarnates into such a body. For Earth this is sometimes referred to as the “Spirit of the Earth” or more commonly, Mother Nature. The incarnating life of these greater bodies is not as evolved on its plane as we are on ours and lives by a different reckoning of time. It would take about 25,000 years to register one heartbeat of time of this planet. These entities are not advanced humans but composite lives that consist of all the lesser lives upon it, just as you are one human but have billions of cells in your body.

As humanity evolves and becomes as the Gods they form hierarchies that assist in governing and stimulating these greater bodies. We as humans do not individually evolve into a planet or star system but become one with others that create greater lives that cooperate with other lives in the universe that will eventually bring it into a sate of relative perfection.

The Ancient of Days presides over this earth and is the Planetary Logos. His consciousness is so high that he can tune into, not only all the lesser lives, but the Spirit of the Earth itself and take care of planetary needs as they occur in our reckoning of time. He is the bridge of consciousness between the two levels of time.

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Ra, you keep criticizing me for associating Anonymous with the Gospel of Thomas. Where did I do this? I merely said I “assumed” he believed it was of early origin.

You say: “name an instance on this forum where I analyzed your teaching and down played it or said you were flat out wrong?”

I never accused you of anything of the sort so why search for such a thing.

You quote a number of verses fro The Gospel of Thomas but you didn’t answer my question which was, Tell me one verse of the Gospel of Thomas that reveals a truth of which you were not aware until you read it there.

You give quotes but do not explain what truth was revealed to you. Take this quote, for instance, “When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom].”)

Now what in the world is that supposed to reveal? I’ve seen this quoted dozens of times by Anonymous but never once explained.

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Sept 21, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 1

Since many seekers place a lot of weight on the Gospel of Thomas I thought we would briefly go through it and discuss some highlights. Keep in mind that all writings, whether they be scriptures or the National Enquirer, must be ran by the light of the soul to discern the truth. Just because someone claims that Jesus, God or Zeus, says a thing is true doesn’t mean that it is.

First of all, here is a link to the Full Gospel of Thomas from which this comment will be based. Quotes from Thomas will be in burgundy and other quotes will be in blue. The writing starts out as follows:

1 And he (Jesus) said, “Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death.”

This is quite close to the words of Jesus in John:

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.” John 8:51

Though it is possible to extend the life of the physical body no single form is used by the soul forever. All of us will have a separation from present forms no matter how righteous we think we are and since death is really a separation of some kind then the separation from our present form, or the death thereof, is something that will happen to all at one time or another, even the Masters.

So what is it that we will never be separated from if we keep the words of Jesus?

It is our connection with the Spirit of God. If we have that connection before the death of the body then that connection will continue afterwards. After the death of the body it will seem that we are moving toward a greater life, not death. There will be no separation or death for us from our Source if we keep the Eternal Words of Christ in our consciousness.

2 Jesus said, “Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]”

This is a similar injunction to Mathew’s:

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.” Matt 7:7-8

Thomas does add that the truth will cause one to be disturbed. This is sometimes the case, but not always. There have bee many times that finding a greater truth was the cause of great joy and I was not disturbed at all. On the other hand, finding a truth that runs contrary to our sacred cows can be very disturbing. The author must have been referring to these kinds of truths.

Then he says:

When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]”

Obviously the one who would reign over all has accepted greater truth even though it was disturbing at first. So is this a true statement?

It is from this perspective.

Most people when presented a truth that runs contrary to their belief system will automatically reject it without even thinking it through. Those few who do consider and then accept a truth even though it disturbs their past mindset obtain power.

And what power is that?

They have power over illusion, glamour and error. They will have power to reign as a king in the realm of reason when confronting those in darkness. They will live out their days as a life giving servant of truth that none can overcome with falsehoods and then when they depart this realm they will rest from their labors as it says.

The writer continues:

3 Jesus said, “If your leaders say to you, ‘Look, the (Father’s) kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fish will precede you. Rather, the <Father’s> kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

The gospel of Luke tells us that the Kingdom of God is within us, but Thomas goes a step further here and says it is not only within but also, “it is outside you.”

This is in harmony with what I have taught many times which is the Kingdom of God is both within and without. When one achieves soul contact he discovers the kingdom within. But when he gathers with others who have found the inner kingdom then he has also found the outer kingdom.

Here is a description of gatherings of the just that manifests the kingdom of God inside and out:

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Heb 12:22-23

The disciples asked Jesus about the manifestation of the outer kingdom:

“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.” Acts 1:6-7

Notice that Jesus did not say the outer kingdom would not come, but it wasn’t something the disciples needed to know at that time.

The second half of verse three of Thomas reads:

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty.”

Questions:

What is it that we are supposed to know about ourselves? Why would we then be known and by whom? And why do those without this knowledge dwell in poverty?

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Anonymous says:

Before these questions can be answered, you must first comprehend why you fail to Know Thyself? Why you are not Known? And what condition of mind constitutes dwelling in Poverty?

The answers to the 114 sayings of the Gospel of Thomas cannot be taught by a teacher of this world — neither can the answers be found in a book written in the languages of man — the answers to the sayings that bestows eternal life on the seeker/disciple, can only be revealed through the inner experiential knowledge as one explores and discovers one’s True Self that is not manifest in the body-vessel — and ultimately, the inner Logos/True Prophet.

JJ

So let me get this straight. It is useless in your view to even read the Gospel of Thomas in an attempt to understand it as the meaning cannot be taught in a book, or by a teacher or communicated in an earthly language. Yet you insist that you have communicated meaning from it and criticize me for not recognizing this.

It seems that in your view anything we do to understand Thomas is futile. I should just throw my hands in the air and cease with any further analysis of Thomas in earthly language. Reading it, studying it, getting advice from a teacher- all will not work. You even discount my teachings on going within by insisting I have not arrived at the within point you have reached.

So if we cannot go within, except for your version, which has never been spelled out, and neither any regular type of searching will work – what must we do?

Obviously the answer is to follow you exclusively in the hope that crumbs will fall from the table that will lead us to the high and holy place.

All this reminds me of this scripture:

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Luke 11:52

They Key of knowledge is available to all who sincerely seek and is not hidden away in some secret vault of which the combination is only known by the elite.

He’s making the same mistake as those of old in that his mysterious key is so illusive that the allurement of the mystery prevents some from seeing the true key which is not hidden, but lies right in front of their vision, as correctly spoken by Thomas:

“Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.”

Anonymous:

For you to even begin to make the statement that the Gospel of Thomas saying 84 was never explained to you — and admit that you don’t understand the meaning of this saying as per your own words below

JJ

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I never “admitted”, wrote, spoke or inferred that I did not understand the quote from Thomas. I already made this clear but you again state the unfounded accusation. It is quite easy to understand, not beyond human ability, as you portray it. My point was that it was no big revelation, but a common teaching not giving out a big mystery – not that I did not understand it.

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Anonymous:

The Gospel of Thomas is designed for those seeking the instruction of first their inner soul-self, and ultimately the Logos. In the Homilies Peter explains with respect to reading the scriptures that, “…therefore great care is to be taken, that when the law of God is read, it be not read according to the understanding of our own mind.

JJ

It looks like you are being disobedient here, for again and again you read and present the scriptures using your own mind. I certainly do not see anyone else’s mind at work in your writings.

Anonymous Quoting:

For there are many sayings in the divine Scriptures which can be drawn to that sense which every one has preconceived for himself; and this ought not to be done. For you ought not to seek a foreign and extraneous sense, which you have brought from without.” 

JJ

This is really good advice for you as you often interpret writings with your preconceived notions as a base. You also do this with what I write. Your Higher Self must have inspired you to post this in an attempt to bring you into the light.

Anonymous:

That the scriptures have a spiritual meaning that can only be perceived and understood by those who are themselves spiritual, means that the meaning of the sayings in the Gospel of Thomas — as well as all the Gospels — can only be perceived understood when the Indwelling True Prophet reveals the meaning to the seeker/disciple.

JJ

Yeah, again this is good advice for yourself. Some of the Keys members are pretty good at reading in the light of “the Indwelling True Prophet” that you mention and you are preaching to the choir in this regard.

Anonymous:

Notice in the above that there is a warning about interpreting the scriptures from a human perspective –

JJ

Then why do you keep interpreting them by the use of your human mind with a human perspective? Strange approach indeed considering what you claim to believe.

Really, you should cease attempting to take away the Key of Knowledge from us by presenting it as beyond our ability to understand unless we go through you. Your tricky statement to Johann will not discourage him from using the Key of Knowledge. I quote: “The knowledge that is portrayed (in Thomas) as inconceivable to the “natural” organic mind of man.”

I thought you didn’t like that old Pharisee approach.

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Anonymous:

Everything written in the text of the Gospel is a type of parable that is designed for the immature who are in need of “milk”. The true meaning of the Gospel is reserved for those who seek to transform their body, mind and being, and enter In The House were all Truths are revealed. Which means that when I interact with those in this forum who are very much “without” the House, I use the teachings in the literal text — in much the same way that the Gospel account of Jesus only spoke to the people in parables.

JJ

You must also feel that the members of your forum are “without” the House for you use the same approach, the same quotes, the same literal interpretation of literal scriptures etc. You do the same thing on your multiple web pages.

Do these deeper interpretations just exist in your wild imagination or is there an example you have ever given out in your entire life? If so, let’s have it. Just one example please. How about one from the Gospel of Thomas?

We are waiting with bated breath.

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Sept 22, 2014

Anonymous:

Yes, this is a “milk” level forum.

JJ

Evading the question again I see. Let me repeat:

Do these deeper interpretations just exist in your wild imagination or is there an example you have ever given out in your entire life? If so, let’s have it. Just one example please. How about one from the Gospel of Thomas?

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Examining Thomas, Part 2

Anonymous must be pretty upset that we are discussing the Gospel of Thomas and revealing the Key of Knowledge concerning it. After all, according to him, we are in the milk department and unworthy to access the key to higher knowledge which is sealed up in his spiritual vault.

Good news my friends! There is no need to break into a special spiritual vault. God is no respecter of persons and all that He has is available to us with no human person needed as an intermediary.

Here is the verse from Thomas we are currently considering:

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty.”

Questions:

What is it that we are supposed to know about ourselves? Why would we then be known and by whom? And why do those without this knowledge dwell in poverty?

Johann gave a great answer to the first question:

“We are the sons and daughters of God and have the same creative attributes as God.”

The second question is:

Why would we then be known and by whom?

Johann answers:

“We would then know ourselves as co creators with God and the God within or the eternal spirit would know that we have received our inheritance and acknowledges it. We would then be equal to God.”

He is headed the right direction. When we realize that we are reflections of God with all the attributes of godliness available then we will think and act independently of all human illusion and consciousness will ascend to a higher level. As our consciousness ascends it attracts communion with higher lives. We are thus “known” by these great entities when we reach their level of brotherhood.

The principle involved here is like attracts like.

The third question:

And why do those without this knowledge dwell in poverty?

To this Johann responds:

“Because if we do not have this knowledge then we see ourselves as something lesser than we truly are, not creating or thinking and dependant on external sources and others. Our cup would always be half empty instead of half full.”

Yes, if there is a well of golden truth inside of us, which is readily available when we realize who and what we are then it would be obvious that those who do not draw from such wealth would be in spiritual poverty.

This idea reminds me of a story told by Napoleon Hill as follows:

An uncle of R. U. Darby was caught by the ‘gold fever’ in the gold-rush days, and went west to DIG AND GROW RICH. He had never heard that more gold has been mined from the brains of men than has ever been taken from the earth.

He staked a claim and went to work with pick and shovel. The going was hard, but his lust for gold was definite. After weeks of labor, he was rewarded by the discovery of the shining ore. He needed machinery to bring the ore to the surface. Quietly, he covered up the mine, retraced his footsteps to his home in Williamsburg, Maryland, told his relatives and a few neighbors of the ‘strike.’ They got together money for the needed machinery, had it shipped. The uncle and Darby went back to work the mine. The first car of ore was mined, and shipped to a smelter. The returns proved they had one of the richest mines in Colorado! A few more cars of that ore would clear the debts. Then would come the big killing in profits. Down went the drills! Up went the hopes of Darby and Uncle! Then something happened! The vein of gold ore disappeared! They had come to the end of the rainbow, and the pot of gold was no longer there! They drilled on, desperately trying to pick up the vein again— all to no avail.

Finally, they decided to QUIT. They sold the machinery to a junk man for a few hundred dollars, and took the train back home. Some ‘junk’ men are dumb, but not this one! He called in a mining engineer to look at the mine and do a little calculating. The engineer advised that the project had failed, because the owners were not familiar with ‘fault lines.’ His calculations showed that the vein would be found JUST THREE FEET FROM WHERE THE DARBYS HAD STOPPED DRILLING! That is exactly where it was found! The ‘Junk’ man took millions of dollars in ore from the mine, because he knew enough to seek expert counsel before giving up.

Even so must we look within and without and follow all leads to the spiritual gold.

Here is verse 5

5 Jesus said, “Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. [And there is nothing buried that will not be raised.”]

As pointed out in The Lost Key of the Buddha the truisms of the world are on par with the best of the scriptures. A truism that encapsulates this saying is that many people cannot see the forest for the trees.

Often the truth is right in front of us and we do not see it. The Source of all truth is right inside of us and you can’t get any closer than that.

Another point is that in the front of your face in the forehead is the ajna center, or third eye, which reveals the truth of whatever you want to look for when fully opened.

Verse four is kind of a strange one. It reads:

4 Jesus said, “The person old in days won’t hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one.”

This, of course, is not literally true and doesn’t even seem to adhere to the Law of Correspondences or make sense. Maybe Thomas threw this in just to mess with us.

Let us suppose that Thomas was trying to tell us something. What would be your best shot at an interpretation?

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Anonymous:

Your concept of discussing what you think the meaning is from a human perspective, and then calling this the Key of Knowledge, is not what the Gospel portrays as the proper application of the Key of Knowledge.

JJ

I left out an important point in my last post, which was what the Key of Knowledge was that I was referring to. It is the understanding that we are the reflections of God possessing all His attributes to become manifest. This must be realized before one can become soul infused and correctly learn from the inner teacher, and of course learning from an inner teacher is a key to greater knowledge.

Many people believe they are the offspring of God on some level, but understanding the implications is another matter.

Jesus emphasized his key when he told us:

Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? John 10:34

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Examining Thomas, Part 3

Here is the verse I challenged the group to interpret:

4 Jesus said, “The person old in days won’t hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one.”

This is kind of a difficult one in which to see much value and would have been a good one for Anonymous to demonstrate his claimed higher knowing in showing us the meaning. As it is Ruth was the only one who ventured forth a guess.

She related the “person old in days” to an old soul and the “child seven days old” to a young one. She says the young souls may progress faster than the old because of their karma and thus he first will be the last. Not bad.

If Jesus really made this statement from Thomas I‘d say that he was far from his best at communicating as it does nothing to inspire me as do many words in the Gospels. We could come up with numerous interpretations, but I doubt if any two people, no matter how soul infused, would come up with the same one.

Here is one possibility:

The only way an old person could talk to a seven day old child and learn about the place of life would be to speak to the child’s Higher Self. The child is behind the older person in earthly progress as life begins, but if his soul is more evolved he will surpass the older person and balance the male and female energies within him so he is as one life with an eye single to the glory of God.

Now let us move on to more of Thomas:

6 His disciples asked him and said to him, “Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?” Jesus said, “Don’t lie, and don’t do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed.”

An important realization on all these verses is that they are not linked to each other, but are stand alone sayings. The verse that follows often has nothing to do with the one that preceded it.

The only thing that departs from the gospels here is that Jesus tells the disciples, “don’t do what you hate.”

This is good advice and there are a number of self help books written on this idea. To succeed in life you must like your work. Doing that which you hate doing is not only unpleasant but blocks energy flow and can lead to all kinds of health problem.

The last part of the verse echoes the words of Luke:

For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.” Luke 12:2-3

Thomas continues:

7 Jesus said, “Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human.”

This verse is just not true. If one of the apostles heard Jesus talking about the evolution of humans and animals then he must have misunderstood and wrote it down wrong.

A lion does not become a human by eating a human. Some particles from the human may become part of the lion but that does not make him human. Neither does the reverse work.

If we interpret it allegorically we could say that partaking of either a higher or lower nature will cause us to progress or go backwards. If this is what the writer meant to communicate then it was a silly way to do it. It would have been much better to just come out and state the obvious meaning.

8 And he said, The person is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of little fish. Among them the wise fisherman discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea, and easily chose the large fish. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!

This is similar to a better written version in Matthew:

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world (literally age): the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just” Matt 13:47-49

This is a scripture that deals with the gathering of lights between the ages. The lights are gathered from among the unjust before great cataclysms.

Verse 9 is similar to the Parable of the Sower from Matt 13:3-9.

Verse 10 says:

Jesus said, “I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I’m guarding it until it blazes.”

Jesus cast fire upon the world through the power of his words and works. His power was similar to the Two Witnesses wherein it is written,

…fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: Rev 11:5

He measures the truth given out in such a way that we are protected from the blaze getting too big too fast.

Next:

11 Jesus said, “This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?

The heaven passing away most likely refers to this physical world and the one above it would be the astral/emotional which also shall one day pass away.

“The dead are not alive, and the living will not die.”

Here he is most likely referring to those who are spiritually dead and alive.

“During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive.”

There are a number of ways to interpret this. We eat dead food and it lives again in our bodies. Others feast on dead works and their belief makes them seem like living works, but this is an illusion.

The last of the verse is merely a reflection on out duality.

This next verse is a controversial one:

12 The disciples said to Jesus, “We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?” Jesus said to them, “No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being.”

This would be a good one to leave for group consideration. Questions: Do you think that Jesus really said this? Why do you suppose this was placed in the text? Do you think that Allan is the reincarnation of James? Give any thoughts and reflections you have.

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Sept 24, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 4

The Quote:

12 The disciples said to Jesus, “We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?” Jesus said to them, “No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being.”

The Questions

Questions: Do you think that Jesus really said this?

JJ

The group pretty much agrees that this sounds fishy and this is probably not an accurate quote. Larry made the excellent point that “The Gospels in the Bible state the disciples did NOT know Jesus was going to leave them. For example, look how lost they acted after his crucifixion. They certainly did NOT posses detailed instructions how to fill his leadership slot after his crucifixion.”

Why do you suppose this was placed in the text?

Larry gives another good answer:

Why place this in the text? I can speculate. Probably the guy who brought this collection of Jesus’ sayings called himself James and used it to claim beastly authority.

Do you think that Allan is the reincarnation of James?

Most have their doubts about this.

Keith thinks it is probable that Jesus did appoint James to be the leader in Jerusalem since this was historically the case. This would have been done after the resurrection as it sounds like the question was asked while he was still in mortal flesh. He only talked of leaving them when he was mortal, but after the resurrection he said, “I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matt: 28:20

Some say that there is symbolic meaning in the name of Jacob from whence James was derived – that the verse was implying a state of mind that Jacob represented that we are supposed to obtain.

This doesn’t make sense though when you look at the meaning of the name.

This name James comes from the Greek IAKOBOS, which is derived from the Hebrew for Jacob.

The Patriarch Jacob had two names. First, he was known as Jacob, but then, after he wrestled with God, he was renamed Israel.

Jacob signifies the lower nature and comes from the Hebrew YA`AQOB and is derived from AQAB. From this word and its variations the Bible gives these various translations: “heel, take by the heel, supplant, restrain, lie in wait, crooked, deceitful, polluted, and subtlety.”

After Jacob wrestled with God his name was changed to Israel, which means “to prevail as God.”

When the disciple, as symbolized by James (Jacob), meets the Christ (God) he wrestles with his lower nature until he prevails as Israel and then lives a life through the consciousness of Christ or God.

Thus we see that Israel is the consciousness to which we must aspire, not Jacob or James.

Looking at the whole picture then I think Larry was right, that someone added this in an effort to give more authority to James. Since the evidence indicates the book was written long after the death of James then most likely the apostle had nothing to do with he wording.

Is Allan a reincarnation of James? I haven’t had a revelation on it nor do I care to know. If he is then he is a good example of why we naturally forget our past lives. The purpose of forgetting is so we will concentrate on learning new things and going new directions. Allan wants to relive the life of James instead of moving on to a new and better one.

And obviously, heaven and earth did not come into being for any single man, but for all lives therein.

Here is verse 13:

Jesus said to his disciples, “Compare me to something and tell me what I am like.” Simon Peter said to him, “You are like a just messenger.” Matthew said to him, “You are like a wise philosopher.” Thomas said to him, “Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like.” Jesus said, “I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended.”

And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, “What did Jesus say to you?” Thomas said to them, “If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you.”

I think this verse was the result of a creative mind attempting to add to the mystery through fiction. How about you?

Next:

14 Jesus said to them, “If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits. When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it’s what comes out of your mouth that will defile you.”

The first part of the verse makes no sense as written. The only way one would be condemned for fasting, praying and giving to charity would be if the motive were self-serving. After all, Jesus fasted, prayed and advised people to give to the poor. He praised the widow for giving her last two mites as an offering. The writer should have clarified the meaning here so it would make some sense.

The last part of the verse is interesting and tells us that the writer didn’t advocate a strict diet of any kind including vegetarianism:

When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it’s what comes out of your mouth that will defile you.”

Jesus is quoted here as commanding the disciples to eat what people serve them and obviously they would have been offered meat and fish, as well as wine on a regular basis.

Anyone have any idea what this next verse means:

15 Jesus said, “When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father.”

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Denver Snuffer

I’ve just found out about Denver Snuffer recently and haven’t read his books but a few things about him and several of his blogs. Apparently he claims to have has a vision of Jesus and uses this as a claim to his teachings being authoritative.

I’d approach him like everyone else who has claims to higher knowledge. Read through the material and see what registers with the soul. Overall, he seems to give the Mormons something to think about, but doesn’t have a lot of teachings that would be of interest to other seekers as a whole.

The main question you want to ask when investigating any rising teacher is this. Am I trading one outer authority for another or have I found someone who doesn’t need claims to authority and whose words register with my inner authority?

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Right Use of Authority

Jenny writes:

It is still a challenge to not become the beast for my own children and then still mother them.

JJ

Because children do not have the mental capacity to choose all things for themselves they need a certain amount of authority to guide them. Authority over a child, rightfully done, is the right place for the use of what would be beastly authority for an adult. You’ll notice that the agents of the beast treat us as children and expect us to respond as if we were unable to decide for ourselves, as if we were little children.

Primitive humanity was governed by unquestioned authority, as well as most of the people today. Once one becomes a spiritual adult he can then discern for himself as an adult.

Meanwhile kids, need structure and here is the right place to use firm unquestioned authority while looking for avenues to encourage them to think for themselves.

Jenny:

I really liked this interview but was disappointed it ended right in the middle of a conversation. JJ can you finish your thoughts here?

What determines the length of time between past life’s?

JJ

The advanced soul determines the time for himself. Many advanced souls jump right back into incarnations because they feel they can be of greater use on earth than resting in the spirit world. Others go on to work in the higher spheres and may not return for an age.

For others it depends on their karma and willingness to return. Because of the increase of population the average stay in the spirit world is decreasing. For those designated to incarnate in this period the time between lives is probably around 100 years.

Jeny:

I loved your explanation of baptism for the dead, but what about the other work of ordinances done in the temple for the dead? I know people feel beings (the entity they are doing the name for) with them as they do that work for them. What are your thoughts?

JJ

Here’s a link where I talk about eternal marriage which should answer some questions.

LINK

Eternal Lives, Chapter 7

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Study Group

Greg asks:

With this knowledge and the keys, how do “I become” after I “have decided” to be a vessel that can add its light with others?

JJ

One of the best things you can do to help is to start a local study group. Here is a link where I talked about how to do this.

LINK

Since I wrote this a very helpful website has developed called meetup.com which is a forum to announce group meetings as well as to see what is available.

The next best thing to organizing a group is to search out other groups talking about philosophy, spirituality and metaphysics and attend. Many groups will allow quite a bit of input and you can share some of the things you learned as well as study how a successful group is working.

I also have free copies of Book One of the Immortal in audio and printed format that I give away free. Let me know if you want some to pass out.

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Sept 25, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 5

Back to Thomas

The Question: What is the meaning of this verse?

15 Jesus said, “When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father.”

This is a tricky scripture. After all, who is it that was not born of woman? All agree that even Jesus had a mother. If Jesus couldn’t fit the bill then who could?

Ruth came the closest to giving an answer that fits all the correspondences. She answered that it could be the monad or the overshadowing Christ.

At his baptism Jesus was overshadowed by the great entity who had the position of Christ for this planet. The indwelling Christ had contact with his monad which was not born of woman and neither was this entity who shared the body with Jesus born of either mother or father – not at that time anyway.

Melchizedek was also overshadowed by a high entity who was not born of woman. He was Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Heb 7:3

I have written quite a bit about this overshadowing or divine possession. Here are some links:

Part 1

Part 2

Here’s the next verse:

16 Jesus said, “Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there’ll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone.

This is very similar to this scripture in Matthew:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. Matt 10:34-36

Unfortunately, this has been used by many Christians to justify unjust violence. The common interpretation is that a higher light causes a lot of division before it is totally embraced by the whole.

Next:

17 Jesus said, “I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart.”

This is a common expectation among believers.

Maybe we ought to call the author of Thomas the Riddler, for many of these verses are written like riddles to be solved more than teachings to bring light and truth. Anyway, here is the next riddle:

18 The disciples said to Jesus, “Tell us, how will our end come?” Jesus said, “Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death.”

So let’s hear the group’s thoughts on this one.

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Sept 26, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 6

Here’s the latest scripture to decipher.

18 The disciples said to Jesus, “Tell us, how will our end come?” Jesus said, “Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death.”

This is a tough one but a few of you took a stab at it. Several mentioned the Monad as the beginning and the end. We could also say that God is the ultimate beginning and ending point. When we discover our point of origin and become one with it then we will indeed stand at the beginning and the end and be beyond the reach of death.

How do we go about doing this is the great question and the answer is revealed in another interpretation of this verse, as we must always remember that words that are inspired have more than one meaning.

Those who suffer the taste of death are always looking for an end, and it is a particular type of end. They want an end to all discomfort, an end to risk, an end to hard work and an end to all things difficult.

This illusion is illustrated in the teaching of many religions. Devotees are taught that if they live their religion that they will go to a place which will be an end to all their discomforts. There they will live in joy and peace forevermore.

To overcome death one must discard this notion of a changeless end with no new beginnings. We must accept the fact that what may appear to be an end is really a new beginning. The disciple must apply this idea in his life as not only is it human nature to want an unchanging blissful end in the afterlife but most want to set themselves up in this life so they can relax, retire and take it easy until death takes hold.

When the disciple reaches the end of a lesson, a job, or a goal he must be “born again” into a new field of endeavor. Your soul will not renew your body or extend your life if you are just going to rest on your accomplishments, but it will work with you if you are going to plunge into new and useful fields of endeavor.

“…the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death.”

When a goal is reached the disciple must not see himself at the end of the road but at an end that is also a new beginning. This is the secret behind being born again and bypassing the taste of death. Unlike the regular mortal who is always seeking never ending pleasure and retirement, the disciple is born again with a new beginning when an end is reached. Of course he is allowed a Sabbath of rest to savor the fruit of his labors.

There are more riddles to solve in the next verse:

19 Jesus said, “Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being. If you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings, these stones will serve you. For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death.”

Let us hear the group’s ideas on this one.

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Sept 27, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 7

Here’s the next verse to solve.:

19 Jesus said, “Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being. If you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings, these stones will serve you. For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death.”

One thing I am noticing about the book of Thomas is the many dualities presented almost like they were designed to correspond to the meaning of Thomas, which is “twin.” For instance “the one who came into being before coming into being” presents a twin, or dual presentation of one idea.

Our consciousness as a soul came into being before our lower self did, but that applies to all of us and the writer here implies that this just applies to just a few. Perhaps because only the few realize it.

The fact that the stones will serve us presents the same idea as the scripture, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,” Rom 8:28 The elements themselves have a basic intelligence that can be activated and directed toward a good end to those who dwell in higher consciousness.

The verse ends with, For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death.”

It is interesting that the Bible only talks of one tree in paradise, which is the Tree of Life, but here five trees are mentioned. The Tree of Life has twelve different fruits whereas no fruit is mentioned concerning these trees, but only leaves. You don’t eat fruit from these trees, but you have to know them instead.

A tree in the scriptures represents a state of consciousness or a being of higher consciousness. The leaves represent disciples who teach true principles. The five states of consciousness we must know concern the physical, the emotional, the mental, the consciousness of the soul and the originating monad. Then we will be one with the Father and the Son and not taste death.

Let us move on to the next verse.

20 The disciples said to Jesus, “Tell us what Heaven’s kingdom is like.” He said to them, It’s like a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds, but when it falls on prepared soil, it produces a large plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky.

This is similar to Matthew 13:31-32. There has already been a lot of commentary written on this, so let us move on.

21 Mary said to Jesus, “What are your disciples like?” He said, They are like little children living in a field that is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, “Give us back our field.” They take off their clothes in front of them in order to give it back to them, and they return their field to them. For this reason I say, if the owners of a house know that a thief is coming, they will be on guard before the thief arrives and will not let the thief break into their house (their domain) and steal their possessions. As for you, then, be on guard against the world. Prepare yourselves with great strength, so the robbers can’t find a way to get to you, for the trouble you expect will come. Let there be among you a person who understands. When the crop ripened, he came quickly carrying a sickle and harvested it. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!

I think this could have been written much clearer, but here is what I get out of it.

We mortals think that we own things like land, homes, cars and possessions, but in the end it is an illusion. They will all be taken away from us either through natural catastrophe or death. The true disciple realizes this and thus is not attached to possessions, and is even willing to give the clothes off his back in his quest for the kingdom of God.

On the other hand, it is important that the disciple not be swindled out of that which is necessary to sustain service or his right to decide his own destiny. He must therefore “be on guard against the world” so he doesn’t give all his possessions to some greedy guru or yield to the beast of unearned authority. If he is wise he will be a part of the great harvest of he Master.

This next verse is stated by he who claims to be James reincarnated to be the Key to the whole book and he quotes it a lot but offers very little in the way of explanation other than saying we do not understand it.

22 Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, “These nursing babies are like those who enter the <Father’s> kingdom.” They said to him, “Then shall we enter the <Father’s> kingdom as babies?” Jesus said to them, “When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom].”

Okay, knock yourselves out. Let us see if the group can come up with an explanation that makes some sense.

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Dan:

This last one hits close to home for me personally. I sometimes find myself longing for “home” and to hear that “home” is just a LITERALLY deadly illusion is . . . devastating.

JJ

Glad you appreciate the teachings, Dan, and still get insights after all these years. The fact that we must be “born again” into new endeavors should not be devastating, as rest, peace and bliss, which is great for a while, becomes a negative after a period of time. We always crave a new challenge sooner or later. The Key found by the masters is to be born again in this life without having to die first and reincarnate.

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Oct 5, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 15

The Verse:

77 Jesus said, “I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there.”

So does this verse relate any truth to you? Can you really find Jesus under a rock?

We had three post a response on this:

Jenny:

There is light and intelligence in all creations. Have you ever held a rock or touched a tree and tried to listen to it? I have and heard their vibration. If all intelligence comes from one source then you should be able to feel or see or hear the vibration that is Jesus even in the trees, rocks, rivers and all mankind.

Rick: In the watch pocket of my jeans, I keep a polished stone, with the OM symbol engraved on it. When somebody tells me that their book is the only place where the Word of God can be found, I pull out my “OM Stone” and tell them, “The Word is written in this stone, for those that have the eye to read it.”

What do these three answers have in common? They all recognize that the life of God is in all things, even a rock.

But is Jesus the man in a rock as he insinuated?

Yes and no.

No, in the fact that you will not find the individualized Jesus in a rock any more than you will Jim or Rick.

But the answer is yes in that fact that Jesus represented the incarnated Logos or the Word of God and, as John says, the Word created all things. And what is the Word? All words are vibrations created from wavelengths. And what is a stone? Virtually the same thing. It is energy in vibration, which vibrations are created by wavelengths.

The Christ energy in vibration thus created all things physical and is in all things. Thus when Jesus, you or me become one with Christ, or the Word, we share a universal presence that reaches from heaven to the stones of the earth.

Here is the next verse that presents a puzzle:

80 Jesus said, “Whoever has come to know the world has discovered the body, and whoever has discovered the body, of that one the world is not worthy.”

The trouble with some of these verses is that we do not know the dialog that preceded them and they can be interpreted a number of different ways. For instance, usually when we think of someone who knows the world we think of someone who may be a carnal pleasure seeker, but that is obviously not what is meant here.

And what does a body have to do with knowing the world? Is he talking about the body of the world itself, the body of Christ, the physical body that houses our spirits or what?

He tells us that the world is not worthy of the one who discovers the body. This would indicate the body is a very spiritual thing, perhaps something spiritual as the body of Christ or God as described by Paul.

“Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are diversities of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is THE SAME GOD THAT WORKETH ALL IN ALL. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to EVERY MAN to profit withal […] (Then Paul enumerates on the gifts of the Spirit.) […] For as THE BODY IS ONE, AND HATH MANY MEMBERS, and all the members (human lives) of that ONE BODY (GOD), being MANY, are ONE body, SO ALSO IS CHRIST (GOD). For by ONE SPIRIT we are all baptized into ONE body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into ONE SPIRIT. For the body (GOD) is not one member (Life), but MANY (All lives together) […] Now Ye are the body of Christ (GOD), and members in particular.” (1 Cor 12:12-14, 27)

Here’s the next verse:

81 Jesus said, “Let one who has become wealthy reign, and let one who has power renounce it.”

Generally, Jesus did not speak very favorably of the wealthy. For instance, he said it would be more difficult for a wealthy man to enter the kingdom than a camel going through the eye of a needle. Perhaps he is speaking of spiritual wealth instead.

Next he tells those with power to renounce it. Now Jesus had great power and never renounced it, but embraced it. There is a particular power we should renounce and that is power that sustains the Beast. This is power or authority over other people that forces them to bend to your will unjustly. All unjust, unnecessary power over the minds of men and women should be renounced.

Next:

82 Jesus said, “Whoever is near me is near the fire, and whoever is far from me is far from the <Father’s> kingdom.”

There is a hymn with these words, “The Spirit of God like a fire is burning…” When one does get near to the Spirit, or Christ, he will be near a spiritual fire that will have a powerful effect. When the point of tension is reached he will experience the “baptism of fire.”

Here are two verses for the group’s consideration:

83 Jesus said, “Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father’s light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light.”

84 Jesus said, “When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!”

Oct 6, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 16

The two verses under consideration:

83 Jesus said, “Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father’s light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light.”

84 Jesus said, “When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!”

I don’t have time to fully comment on your interpretations given on this but several of them are in the right direction. Let us dissect this.

“Images are visible to people…” These are obviously all forms on the physical plane such as people, mountains, trees etc that we can see with our physical eyes.

Then he talks about the “light within them.” What is this? What would be the light within a rock? Within all such images are two lights. First is the light of he etheric double and second is the light at the center of each atom. The electrons form a cloud that hides the inner light.

He says this light “is hidden in the image of the Father’s light.” The Father’s original light is pure spirit and from this was created the lesser lights of the physical so one could say the lesser light is hidden in the higher.

DK sheds some light on light:

Out of the flesh God will be seen and known, yet with the eye of the inner vision can God be seen even when a man is occupying a body of flesh. Not with the physical eye can Deity be seen, though the hallmark of divinity is everywhere. There is an eye which can be developed and used, and which will enable its possessor to see God working on the inner side of Life, within Himself and within all forms, for “when thine eye is single, thy whole body is full of light.” In that light shall we see light, and so see God.

Esoteric Psychology Vol 1, Pg 182

Seeing light in light is an interesting concept worthy of much contemplation.

The next verse begins with:

“When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you…”

It is obvious that our likeness we see is the physical body. What doesn’t make sense though is that most people are not happy with how their bodies look, especially females. The “before you” is poorly worded as it could mean a number of things. It could merely mean images that come before your eyes or images from before your birth.

Assuming he means before birth he could be referring to past life memories.

The verse ends with: “and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will have to bear!”

Some think all of our past lives are happening now or our past lives are still living as entities on some plane of existence, but if they were they could become visible and the scripture says they do not become visible. Why? Because they exist as memories or images within the soul. Memories can be translated into images and such memories will not die, but neither will they become visible in the normal sense, just as my memory of what I did yesterday does not exist as an image for others to see.

When we discover our past lives it will indeed give us much to bear, especially if we realize the karma involved.

Here are three more verses with fairly odd phrases to consider:

85 Jesus said, “Adam came from great power and great wealth, but he was not worthy of you. For had he been worthy, [he would] not [have tasted] death.”

86 Jesus said, “[Foxes have] their dens and birds have their nests, but human beings have no place to lay down and rest.”

87 Jesus said, “How miserable is the body that depends on a body, and how miserable is the soul that depends on these two.”

Give them your best shot.

Oct 7, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 17

Good interpretations today from the group to difficult scriptures. Let us take a look.

85 Jesus said, “Adam came from great power and great wealth, but he was not worthy of you. For had he been worthy, [he would] not [have tasted] death.”

Sharon gave a great answer on this:

Adam was a highly evolved entity before ascending into matter on the physical plane and as a spiritual entity would have had access to great power and great wealth. On the physical plane he was starting off as a personality on the lower level therefore not aware of his true essence and worthiness as a soul and would need to reincarnate again.

Johann added:

Adam or the first born in the beginning came from great materialistic power and he had great produced wealth or was a good provider.

Ruth:

The only way to know Good from Evil was to live with both energies and in which got them into trouble with God, and then they were banished from the Garden of Eden…

Sharon:

The animals and birds are part of a group soul and run on an instinct program and feel at peace and connected as with humanity who rarely find contentment and peace until they connect to their inner being again.

JJ

That was a very creative insight of you and Ruth to bring the group soul aspect into this and you have made an important point. Humans with their individual souls’ self-identity are just naturally more restless – that is until they come to the knowledge that all souls are a part of the One Great Life.

Ruth expanded on this saying:

We don’t have a real place to lay down and rest, because Change is a constant, and our consciousness is always growing and events and places and people change all the time, and we can lose our homes or loved ones in an instant, and because we are self conscious, then we can emotionally feel pain and physical pain and mental pain, so we are in constant upheaval because of change and because we are aware of change,

Johann:

Animals have their natural habitats, but human beings do not but have to make one so they can lay down their heads and rest.

All gave good answers on this in close alignment with my thinking which is this.

We must first ask- What is a body? A body is consciousness confined by form. Some have called the body a prison for the spirit as the denser we get into form the greater our limitations. If an entity is centered in the mental or astral body and feels dependent on the physical – and misses raising consciousness beyond the worlds of form then he will be “miserable,” or at least quite unsatisfied.

By “soul” here the writer most likely is not referring to the Higher Self, but to the life of the entity who is not happy being centered in the worlds of form.

The next verse is another strange one, so I’ll throw it out to the group.

88 Jesus said, “The messengers and the prophets will come to you and give you what belongs to you. You, in turn, give them what you have, and say to yourselves, ‘When will they come and take what belongs to them?'”

Questions:

How do the messengers and prophets come to us?

What do they give us that belongs to us?

What do we give to them?

What does the receiver think “belongs to them”?

Greg Anderson Shared this vision:

I hesitantly share this. This is some understanding of the Tree of Life that I had gained recently. I am not looking to get into the middle of this and Allan’s explanation which for me seemed to be like a dog chasing its tail and never getting anywhere. Here goes:

One morning I rose up after repeating the song of the 144,000, I arose to where I stood before a door. I opened the door. As the door was opened, I recognized that this was my hall of records and memories. It was as vast as a large warehouse. I stood near the ceiling of the room and there were no steps down. I took a step out and I floated over a vast area that had several hundred full length mirrors standing upright. I was told that these mirrors are the memories and experiences of my past lives. There were literally hundreds of them. There was a certain mirror that had a particular draw and I floated down to it and stood in front of it.

As I looked in the mirror I saw a reflection that does not look like me now, but I knew it is was my own reflection. This mirror or memory had the key to understanding the purpose for my existence in this current life time and as to what I am to learn in this life ahead of me. To extract this understanding I am to stare into the right eye of the reflection that I was looking at. As I do this, there is a download of sorts that helps me to gain that understanding. As I completed that download, I now have clarity as to my purpose and what I am to gain. As I look down, I see that there is a cable of sorts that goes from each mirror to a different location. As I float to the ceiling of the room, I see that these cables all converge to a single place.

As I draw closer, I see that it is tree. The cables are like roots. The experiences and knowledge that I gain in each life time nourishes the tree and the tree grows based on that nourishment. The tree is my own Tree of Life. The growth of the tree is a representation of the growth of the seed of divinity that is in me. As I look at the tree I am asked to determine if it is large and flourishing, or is it small and seems underdeveloped? Does it bear fruit. Is the fruit ripe or is it green or is it small? Has the tree developed to the point that others may partake of the fruit and taste the Love of God?

As I look up I notice that the ceiling height in this room is dependent on the height of the tree. I am told that the ceiling represents the ring pass not, the limit of what I am willing to consider. The greater the maturity and height of the tree, the greater the knowledge that is available. However, on this occasion, the Lord allows me an exception. At the base of my tree I find a small door. I open the door and find it initially very dark. As my eyes adjust, I find that the light of God within me illuminates the area and there is a spiral staircase that goes round and round to the top of the tree. I find there is no ceiling at the top of the tree.

I exit the stair way and find myself in the very tops of the tree. As I look, I see the vastness of the universe. I see galaxies and planets in formation with the most vivid colors and light. Every sense of my being is quickened by the vistas that I see. Out into the distance I see a ball of light in the distance. My thoughts take me there immediately. As I approach the sphere of light, it seems a 1000 times brighter than that of our sun. Initially there is extreme fear that enters in. As I over come the fear, I enter. There I find a glorious being. He speaks to me and gives me knowledge and understanding. He then blesses me. The words of knowledge and the pronouncement of the blessing become vivid in my mind so that I can remember. After a while I exit, and work my way back to home.

I know after time and perspective many things that I experience or have seen end up having different meanings than they did when I originally had them. With the mature perspective that many on this site have, you may see it differently than I have at this time and may offer greater insight.

Oct 8, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 18

Here is the next verse:

88 Jesus said, “The messengers and the prophets will come to you and give you what belongs to you. You, in turn, give them what you have, and say to yourselves, ‘When will they come and take what belongs to them?'”

Questions:

How do the messengers and prophets come to us?

Obviously messengers and prophets do not come to us all in any one life, but sooner or later the seeker will be graced with their presence. The ancient statement is ever true, “When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.”

There are two key words that hasten their manifestation. That is one must seek and ask. A third point is to not stop seeking and asking.

What do they give us that belongs to us?

Johann:

They give us our inner light back, the light that always belonged to us in the first place.

Yes, the God within us already understands all true principles and a teacher merely brings them to our awareness. Understanding brought down to the physical level extends the life and comprehension of God.

Here is another insight on this. Jesus said “your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.” Matt 6:8

God wants to give us good gifts and knows what we want before we ask. The key is that what we ask that is in harmony with the will of God is already ours. Any messenger or teacher that gives us what we are seeking is giving is that which already belongs to us.

What do we give to them?

The verse says that messengers not only give to us, but we have something to give to them. What could that be?

Ruth: We give them an audience and we give them our own words and also Glory and we give them feedback.

True, but there is one more important thing we give them. We give them purpose. What purpose would a teacher have if there was no one to teach? We also give the teachers opportunity to advance for as they assist us then higher lives will assist them.

Finally we are told that we have something that belongs to them that we want to give them. What could that be?

Could be.

DK gives an interesting hint here. He says that he Fifth Kingdom feeds off the Fourth. In other words, us seekers provide some kind of sustenance for the inhabitants of the Kingdom of God corresponding to food that plants and animals provide for us.

Obviously, the food is not our flesh, but something else. The fact is when our consciousness is raised up so that it participates in the Fifth Kingdom then the energy within the soul group is enlarged and your teachers will be strengthened with additional spiritual food.

Verses 89-97 are a rewording of verses found in the Bible but verse 98 is quite different:

98 Jesus said, The Father’s kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful. While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in. Then he killed the powerful one.

You have to have a good creative imagination to make sense of this one. Let us see what you can do.

Oct 9, 2014

God Is Change

We’ll take a break from the Gospel of Thomas today and respond to Prophecy Guy’s post. He excoriates us for not believing the following:

“What most people do NOT want to accept is that God is the same today, yesterday, and forever…”

The first interesting thing to note is this is virtually a quote from the Gospel of Hebrews purportedly written by Paul for whom Prophecy Guy has great disdain.

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” Heb 13:8

So, is this scripture telling us that Jesus has not progressed or changed in billions of years and that he will always do everything in exactly the same manner henceforth?

Not quite. The word “same” comes from he Greek HO AUTOS which doesn’t mean the “same” in the way we use it today. The phrase represents His person; He, Himself. The Concordant Version has the most accurate translation. It reads:

“Jesus Christ, yesterday and today, is the Same One for the eons also.”

In other words, the verse is merely saying that Jesus will be Jesus and we can depend on him. It is not saying he will stagnate in sameness. In fact this same book of Hebrews makes note that Jesus has changed.

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Heb 5:8-9

Here we are told that Jesus has not always been the same. He had to “learn” obedience and he had to arrive at perfection (more accurately translated “completion”).

The LDS scriptures back this up:

And I, John saw that he received not of the fulness at first, but received grace for grace; And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness; D&C 93:12-13

The scriptures tell us that God is always doing and creating “new” things so obviously he is not in a state of changelessness. Here are a few references:

“And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.” (Revelation 21:5)

“Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.” (Isaiah 43:19)

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.” (Isaiah 65:17)

“And I will write upon him my new name.” (Revelation 13:12)

“And they sung a new song.” (Revelation 5:9)

It is written that God continually makes “ALL THINGS NEW!” When new things are made that creates new experiences to enjoy and both man and God are that they might have joy. When there are new experiences on the horizon then there is new knowledge to be gained and life is in a state of becoming, or evolving, and is then worth living. This state of rejuvenation through newness is necessary for all life, even God.

Then to top this off the very name of God is the epitome of change. Moses asked God for his name and he told him “Hayah (or ehyeh) aser Hayah” which has been mistranslated as “I am that I am.” It is more literally translated as “I will be who I will be” or as translated in The Immortal, “I Am becoming that which I decide to become.”

In other words, God was telling Moses that he couldn’t give him a permanent name because he was in a state of becoming or change.

We are made in the image of God and we change and progress so God must be doing the same, as we are patterned after him.

Oct 11, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 19

The verse to interpret:

98 Jesus said, The Father’s kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful. While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in. Then he killed the powerful one.

Good comments again and I do not have time to do them justice, but most saw “someone powerful” as an obstacle to the kingdom of God, such as dark powers, the personality or the ring-pass-not. The sword represented truth that removed the barriers.

Keith gave a divergent answer that was quite thought provoking:

The part of the verse that got my attention was,”…While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in…”

I remember doing the same thing years ago, but without the sword. There was a time in my youth when I could not differentiate between physical reality and the physical etheric. One of the solutions I came up with was making a habit of occasionally trying to push my hand through the wall. On occasion my hand would go through the wall, and I would become fully conscious in the physical etheric.

One of the realizations that comes to you after awhile; is that the ‘ego’ or ‘conscious mind’ is a powerful enemy, which must be killed in order to freely pass from one physical world to the other.

Now, I know going from the gross physical, to the physical etheric is not entering the ‘Father’s Kingdom’, but it is a beginning. Therefore, if you use the law of correspondence, maybe the higher worlds must be entered consciously by making war with them. That is, attacking them with stealth and cunning. Very much like an assassin or burglar staking prey. The prey might be the following: your conscious mind, your ego, your dweller, your higher self etc. Each body and its parts must be either conquered, jettisoned and or incorporated with others.

Maybe that is were the scriptural reverences to putting on the armour of Christ comes from. In order to go to war against the physical world we must go to war against all the worlds of form at once.

As we proceed here we need to remember that if these words were truly inspired by the Spirit then more than one interpretation could apply. Not every interpretation would be correct though as it has to be tested with the Law of Correspondences. That said, here is my take:

What has been overlooked is the exact wording of the first sentence which reads: Jesus said, “The Father’s kingdom is like a person who wanted to kill someone powerful.”

In other words, the Father’s kingdom is not a place, but something created by will, hinted at in the word “wanted.” The real kingdom is not a static place where all is quite and peaceful but created by a desire that wants “to kill someone powerful.”

Does this mean that John Wilkes Booth, John Hinkley and other assassins were on their way to the kingdom because they wanted to kill the President?

Obviously, this is not the case. The question to ask is when would a good man seek to kill a powerful person?

The answer is when the powerful one stands as a barrier to greater freedom, truth and light. An example of good men who justly sought to kill such a powerful man was in depicted in the movie Valkyrie where Stauffenberg and his group of conspirators attempted to remove Hitler through killing him.

Stalin and Mao also created powerful obstacles to freedom and light that drew forth brave men attempting to kill them to remove them as obstacles.

So perhaps the message is not that the kingdom is a place where we will break through and find, but the kingdom is created by an active courageous state of mind that is willing to risk everything, against overwhelming odds to move up to a higher state of being.

The kingdom is eternal change and progress and to enter the kingdom one as to be in that state of mind where he is driven to move forward and remove obstacles as they present themselves.

There is a common statement hat tells seekers that if they find the Buddha on the path to kill him. This does not mean the disciple should kill any innocent person, but that he should not let anyone, even a saint or angel, prevent him from progressing. When many seekers meet someone they think has all the answers they will quit seeking and relax. This is a wrong move. They need to not let he Buddha, Jesus or anyone else stop them from their own internal quest.

This is why I have told students from the beginning to not trust anything I say unless it is verified by their own souls. A teacher can stimulate, but truth must always be discovered internally by the disciple.

This story from Socrates highlights the point.

There was once a student that came to Socrates and says, “Socrates I want wisdom and knowledge like you have; what do I have to do?”

Socrates said to the student, come with me and wade in this lake about waist high and I will show you. The student said okay, so they wandered out into the lake and Socrates grabs him by the head, pushes him under water and holds him there about a minute and then brings his head up. The student says, “what in the world did you do that for?” Socrates says, “When I had your head in the water what did you want more than anything else in the world?” He says, “Air and the longer I was down there the more I wanted it.”

Socrates replied, “When you want wisdom as much as you wanted air you will find it, as have I.”

There is no permanent kingdom unless it is accompanied by the driving force of higher will that is willing to do what is necessary to remove obstacles.

The obstacles are many, much more than some powerful dictator. Some are external and others internal.

Here is the next sentence:

While still at home he drew his sword and thrust it into the wall to find out whether his hand would go in.

The home represents familiar surroundings and the wall represents inertia or that which prevents the action from will. He cannot remove the powerful one until he can force himself into action, so he creates a trial run for himself to see if he really has the power to move forward. When he assures himself that he does then he applies himself in the true reality and removes all powerful obstacles. Now he can take his next step.

Here are the next two verses of interest:

105 Jesus said, “Whoever knows the father and the mother will be called the child of a whore.”

108 Jesus said, “Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him.”

Let us see what you can come up with on these two verses.

Oct 12, 2014

Teaching

Let’s put this idea to bed that it is a sin to tell anyone you are a teacher when you teach. Some didn’t seem to register the truth taught in this post so here it is again.

Here is the scripture that literalists use to object to the word “teacher.”

“But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

“And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.” Matt 23:8-12

The first thing to look at is the main point that Jesus was making, which was revealed in verse 12. He was teaching the disciples to avoid titles which would place them in a position of authority which would take their attention away from the inner Christ.

First he told them to not be called Rabbi. A Rabbi was seen as an authority, like a priest, whose words were supposed to be followed above what a seeker may receive from within.

Secondly, he says to call no man “Father.” Now people who take things too literally may go so far as to not call their own fathers this, but is this what he means? If it is then we shouldn’t call our parents Mom and Dad, Father and Mother, etc. By extension Grandma and Grandpa would be forbidden.

Does such a restriction make sense? That is what the true seeker must always ask and the answer he gets should be in harmony with his spirit, mind and emotions after he thinks it through.

No, it doesn’t make sense to refuse to call your Father and Mother by what they are for it doesn’t unjustly exalt then. How could we honor our Father and Mother if we cannot call them by what they are?

What Jesus was against was substituting the authority of the inner Christ for the outer that takes it’s place. The Catholic Church as done this by insisting members call the priest “Father.” He is seen as a father that is a substitute for God and this exalts him, which thing Jesus was against.

Finally he says, “Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”

Master here comes from the Greek, KATHĒGĒTĒS, and these verses in Matthew are the only place in the New Testament where it is used. Here in the King James it is translated, “Master,” but other versions render it “teacher, instructor, leader, director, and even preceptor.” The first suggested translation from Vine’s as well as Strong’s is “guide.”

KATHĒGĒTĒS is derived from two other words which are KATA and HĒGEOMAI. KATA is a common preposition indicating motion but HĒGEOMAI denotes power or regal authority. That us without doubt the reason Bible translators in the past have rendered KATHĒGĒTĒS as Master, for Master is a much more authoritative word than teacher.

The common word for teacher in the New Testament is DIDASKALOS, which is used 58 times. When we think of the English word teacher, this would be the Greek word we would want as comparable. Nowhere does Jesus tell us to not use this word.

Jesus was called DIDASKALOS a lot of times and he did not correct anyone for doing this.

In addition to this the teachers Jesus confronted in the temple were called DIDASKALOS. (Luke 2:46) Jesus also called Nicodemus a teacher (John 3:10).

Disciples were called teachers or DIDASKALOS in numerous places after Jesus left the scene.

“Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger,” Acts 13:1

“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles,” I Cor 12:28

“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers.” Eph 4:11

Paul says, “Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” II Tim 1:11

Obviously neither Jesus or the disciples saw any problem with using the common word for teacher which was DIDASKALOS.

Even so, common designations like teacher can be misused. I call myself a teacher in a way that applies to anyone who teaches for we all teach one time or another and are students at other times. What could create a violation of the principle that was being stressed by Jesus was if I demanded that I be called “teacher” when being addressed. This was why Rabbi was on Jesus’ list of forbidden words because when meeting one with such a position you are expected to address him as such.

It is not the words that concerned Jesus, but the way they could be used. If a title is applied to you in a way that is forbidden to others then you are falsely exalted and this is an error.

Such designations are the “names of blasphemy” which were applied to the beast of Revelations. (Rev 13:1)

Here are some more comments on this subject from my book, The Unveiling.

We are told that on his heads are the names of blasphemy. The King James says “name” but most modern versions correctly translate this as “names.” What are the blasphemous names on the heads of the Beast?

The emperor of Rome was proudly called Caesar Augustus. “Augustus” implies Caesar was Lord, or God. We all know many Christians were fed to the lions and crucified. Few know that much of it had to do with the refusal to accept this and other names chosen by the Roman emperors.

The current names of the Beast are not negative names like anti-Christ, Satan, devil and so on. The names of the Beast are adored by the world.

Here are some of the names of blasphemy used in the religious and political world:

* His/Her Royal Highness

* Holy Father

* His Holiness

* His Eminence

* His Grace

* Reverend

* Imperial Majesty

* Serene Majesty

* Lordship

* Most Reverend

* Most Worshipful

The Pope has been accused of having the name VICARIVS FILII DEI (in the place of the Son of God) written on his hat or some other item. The roman numerals on this name add up to 666, but this seems to be a fabricated accusation made by the enemies of the Catholic church who believe they singly represent the Beast. Little do they realize that the Beast has infiltrated all the organizations of the earth.

The great name of blasphemy was extended through the Caesars who went beyond Augustus to being called Lord and being deified as a God. Once a year each citizen in Rome had to appear before authorities and acknowledge that Caesar was virtually God. Once one did this, he could go worship according to his choice undisturbed. But, if one put Jesus or some other version of God above Caesar, he was seen as a danger to the state and was usually executed.

Thus, the most blasphemous name of the Beast occurs when a flesh-and-blood man, like the rest of us, is called and worshiped as a God. It is true that even Jesus said that men are Gods (John 10:34), but he was speaking of God in all of us with equality, great and small. Caesar was declared God as one who was special and unique among men. Caesar demanded to be worshipped, and it is blasphemy for one man to worship another man or even see another person as having more rights than he himself possesses.

The interesting thing about the emperors of Rome is that it was not the government who it was the people. The early emperors thought it was a silly thing for the people to do, but eventually the people called them gods long enough and with enough repetition that they began to believe it, and also see that the idea would secure more political power.

One does not need to go to the extreme of calling himself a God to his fellow men and women to have a name of blasphemy, but any name that brings the person a reverential respect takes away from the glory that belongs to God alone. Even Jesus was very cautious about not taking away from the respect due God alone. A man once addressed Jesus as “good master.” To this he responded:

“Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.” Matt 19:16-17

Jesus did not even want to take the chance of looking too “good” to his followers, but in the present time his mindless followers think it is blasphemy to call Jesus anything less than the best and most perfect creator God of the universe.

Here is another example: “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” Matthew 23:5-15

Isn’t it interesting how clearly Jesus tried to teach the principle of not using a name or title that exalts one person above another because “all ye are brethren.”

The Catholic Church has certainly disregarded the command of “call no man your father …” Using the title or name of “reverend” violates the same principle and is blasphemous. One man is to be revered no more than another because “we are brethren” as Jesus taught. Many religions use the title of “Holiness” or “Holy” in reference to their leaders. Many New Agers use the title Master when talking about a teacher, but there is one Master over us and that is the Christ within all of us. If a teacher does not speak to that center within us then we should ignore him.

Royalty uses all kinds of blasphemous names for God such as “Your Highness,” “Your Majesty,” “Your Excellency,” and so on. Even the idea of one being a king or the divine right of kings is blasphemous. One person has no more divine right to be a king than does another. There are many titles that are not blasphemous because they do not indicate that a man is taking the place of God. A title is correct if it merely indicates the job he is attempting to do in this life such as president, mayor, judge, senator, doctor, teacher etc. “Master” may be legitimate as an acknowledgement of one’s mastery over an activity, but not in relation to being a master (or in the place of God) over an individual. There is nothing untruthful or disrespectful about these names.

You will find, however, that wherever unjust authority rears its ugly head, the person exercising it will revel in the chance to be called by some title that belongs to God alone.

There are religious and political organizations where blasphemous names are not allowed, but the leader is still revered as one who is infallible or able to commune with God in a way that the average person cannot. This type of fixation corresponds to a name of blasphemy and it will be just a matter of time before the illusionary names surface to fit the thoughtform.

Truly great leaders are examples of what we are to become, not examples of holiness that we cannot attain. When is the last time you heard a person with a God-like title speak in such a way that it spoke to your inner Christ and caused your heart to burn? Probably never. It is different when a true teacher, who wears not the names of blasphemy, speaks or writes. Then the soul of the seeker will be stirred.

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Adam:

JJ’s a grown up. He can ignore it or respond. Sometimes I learn more from the tone of Keyster responses than the content. There are also responses with great content, as JJ demonstrated today. I think that’s useful. Keysters can read what they wish and delete the rest, JJ’s responses included. No one has a gun to my head.

JJ

This is one of the reasons I am tolerant of opposition and allow posts through that are relatively civil even though they disagree. Opposition has often brought forth some of my best teachings.

Ironically, this is a point on which Allan and I agree as he tells his group that opposition forces him to do some of his best writing.

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Oct 23, 2014

The Law of Love

ImAHebrew writes:

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before Elohim.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Elohim forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence (desire, lust). For without the law sin [was] dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].

Is Paul being part of the Beast for saying these things? Is he showing that there is guilt for not doing what the Law commands? And what about James:

JJ

There are two ways to attempt to follow the laws of God. The first is to follow the written word given by some external authority. The second is to go within and run your perspective decisions by your soul which is governed by the Law of Love which is guided by the principle mentioned by Jesus:

“Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Matt 22:37-40

Being guided by the law of Love fulfills “all the Law and the prophets.”

Now the problem is that a person has to be spiritually born again to be sensitive enough to the spirit to be successfully guided so the Law of Love is fulfilled. Most people have not reached this level and need an outside authority telling them what to do.

When numerous laws are written in stone rather than the heart they become impossible to live to perfection and thus all will sin and suffer guilt. Even Jesus would have been guilty under the law and suffered guilt if he has allowed himself to be subject to the outer law rather than the inner. His enemies, for instance, often accused him of breaking the law of the Sabbath and blasphemy. And that is the trouble with the outward law. It can be interpreted numerous different ways and even Jesus could be convicted by some outward authority interpreting it.

The perfection of Jesus cane not from obeying the outward law, but the inner Law of Love that fulfills the law. And each time he followed the Law of Love rather than an authority’s interpretation, on hindsight it seems that he was in harmony with the spirit of the law.

Now the outer law says that you should not steal, but suppose that to save your child’s life you would have to steal an item from a business that probably wouldn’t miss it. If the black and white law guided you, you would not steal and let your child die. On the other hand, if you were guided by the Law of Love you would steal the item and save the child’s life.

The law tells us not to lie, but suppose you were in Nazi Germany and the SS knocked on your door looking for your child with the intent to torture and execute him and you could save him by lying to them. If you followed the law strictly then you would tell them where your son was. If you follow the Law of Love you would deceive to save your child.

The scripture you quoted was indeed correct when it said, “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.”

Anyone who attempts to strictly follow the black and white law will at some time violate the Law of Love and not be justified by he light of the Spirit.

The problem the guides of the race have had is that the masses cannot understand this in full so they have to be provided with black and white laws. Paul understood this when he wrote:

“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” Gal 3:24

Paul was trying to guide those who were ready away from outside authority while still showing respect for the law to assuage those who were not ready to make the leap.

The Beast represents outward unjust, unearned authority that controls our lives. Moses and Jesus represented earned authority, even though they were speaking as a voice on the outside. When a person under the Law of Love comes across such an outward authority he will run their words by their own souls and will follow when they are in harmony. Those unable to do this will attempt to follow the law because it seems to come from God. The law will not guide them perfectly, but it will indeed be a schoolmaster to help them move along the path.

He gives us another scripture:

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Isn’t James saying that IF you transgress the Law (sin), you are guilty, and convicted by the Law as a transgressor? Is James also being part of the Beast here? What are your thoughts on these Scriptures?

JJ

If you are under the outward law and do 99 things right but break one of them then you will suffer guilt and will need to be saved from such guilt. Violating outward authority produces guilt.

The final salvation comes when the seeker replaces the outer law with the inner. Then guilt disappears.

The apostles were earned authorities at that time, and guiding people when you know what you are doing is not being a part of the Beast. The Beast represents unearned unjust authority, someone like Stalin or Hitler or even your doctor who may be leading you in a direction that will do you more harm than good because he knows not what he is doing.

Even though there are a few good earned authorities out there the enlightened must not depend on them without first checking for inner verification.

ImAHebrew continues:

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they (the Disciples) asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Wasn’t Luke 17:21 about WHEN the Kingdom was coming? Wasn’t it coming “suddenly,” as lightning flashing from east to west, and would be in their midst, as a thief coming in the midst of the night? How do you explain the fact that the Disciples would ask such a question, if the Kingdom was “within” them?

JJ

The kingdom is both within and without. Jesus could not establish the kingdom desired by the prophets because it must consist of a gathering of those who are in contact with the Spirit within. When the pure in heart are gathered then he kingdom will also be without.

This is a true point made by the Gospel of Thomas.

Verse three quotes Jesus as saying:

“the Father’s kingdom is within you and it is outside you.”

The outside kingdom is not organized but one day it will be. Jesus would have liked to have organized it but was told the time for such an event was not yet.

As to the coming of the Son of Man as Lightening from the east, this has several levels of interpretation that I do not have time to cover at this time, but it doesn’t mean a physical kingdom will instantly appear.

That was a good reference you gave about James and the rules of meat eating. Allan would just say it is an allegory and the meaning is over our heads. You can never reach any conclusions on disagreements when a person creates an out for himself on every checkmate.

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I wrote:

Now the problem is that a person has to be spiritually born again to be sensitive enough to the spirit to be successfully guided so the Law of Love is fulfilled. Most people have not reached this level and need an outside authority telling them what to do.

To this Dan wants to know if this level would be the first second or third degree initiate.

The answer is that this escape from the law as well as the Beast is not exactly correlated to a person’s place on the path. Those who have reached the third initiation will naturally move beyond outward control in consciousness, but those who have not achieved this can also do so with a little help. If a seeker learns to focus his attention on the soul and to be guided by the inner voice rather than the outer he can learn to cancel out most outer voices in favor of the inner.

However, he can be trapped in the illusion of outer authority in future lives or unfamiliar situations until he finally dispels illusion by passing the Third Initiation. This is why the aspirant is not fully trusted by the Hierarchy until this point is reached. As long as he can be trapped in illusion of some kind the worker can wind up doing more harm than good for the work if too much is trusted to him.

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Here is an email I received:

Memories

Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the older woman, that she should bring her own grocery bags because plastic bags weren’t good for the environment.

The woman apologized and explained, “We didn’t have this green thing back in my earlier days.” The young clerk responded, “That’s our problem today. Your generation did not care enough to save our environment for future generations.”

She was right — our generation didn’t have the green thing in its day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were truly recycled.

Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags, that we reused for numerous things, most memorable besides household garbage bags, was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our schoolbooks. This was to ensure that public property, (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags. But we didn’t do the green thing back then.

We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

Back then, we washed the baby’s diapers because we didn’t have the throwaway kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220 volts — wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house — not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana.

In the kitchen, we blended and stirred by hand because we didn’t have electric machines to do everything for us.

When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap.

Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But she’s right; we didn’t have the green thing back then.

We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull. But we didn’t have the green thing back then.

Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service. We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

But isn’t it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the green thing back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old person who needs a lesson in conservation from a smart-ass young person.

Oct 24, 2014

Higher Contact

Latuwr Writes:

Do you and the Members here believe that you received your enlightenment from the spirit of Yahushua (Jesus), and do you fundamentally differ from Allan in the manner you both acquire your knowledge and understanding, your Divine Manna?

JJ

I can only speak for myself, but quite a few members here think similarly.

To understand my thinking it is essential to realize what I teach about Christ. Christ represents the second aspect of the Godhead. In total the Godhood is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. In the Ancient Wisdom they are called Power, Love and Active Intelligence. The Father also represents pure Spirit and the Holy Spirit represents matter. The interplay between the two creates soul energy, the creative energy sometimes called the Christ energy.

Outside of some astral contacts, which usually bring distorted information one must focus his consciousness on the soul, or Christ aspect, to open the door to the higher world so real truth can be seen and illusion can be bypassed.

So from this vantage point you could say that Christ reveals higher knowledge to all seekers.

So what about the entity who is Christ?

Each one of the aspects is represented by an entity on each planet to the kingdoms therein. In the Fifth Kingdom, often called the Kingdom of God, there is one who represents the Father another the Christ aspect and a third the Holy Spirit.

The entity who is Christ, or Melchizedek, is separate from Jesus and entered into his body at his baptism. Strangely, on this unusual point Allan and I agree. After the baptism there existed two entities in one body until the mission was complete.

Here are three links to my writing giving a fuller explanation on this:

LINK1

LINK2

LINK3

There are numerous ways to gain higher knowledge. It can be gained from pure reasoning, from your Higher Self or merely accessing the intuitive plane and higher through the soul in cooperation with your Higher Self. I have written quite a bit on this. If you go to freeread.com and search for “soul contact” you will find plenty of material.

Oct 25, 2014

lwk

If the Holy Spirit represents matter, and the Holy Spirit is female in some way, then is this similar to the Gnostic idea of the female leading us into matter (or something like that)?

JJ

It is more accurate to say that the Holy Spirit is Intelligence in Matter rather than matter itself. In other words, it is the Intelligence that causes matter to organize into existence and create forms, which the end product is physical life including you and me. In a way of looking at it you are correct for we have Father (Spirit), Mother (Matter) and Soul (the Son).

The matter of our current universe is composed of intelligent units that failed to fully evolve into spirit in the last creation and in this one is seeking to respond to the intelligence of the Holy Spirit so they can move forward. The Holy Spirit contains the reservoir of all accumulated knowledge.

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One2

I hope I don’t end up a failed unit again in this Universe, as it would be good to move on up to higher realms of intelligence.

JJ

It is the matter itself, the basis of the creation of physical form that failed to move into spirit in the past system, not necessarily the entities (like you and me) that use matter as bodies for their work.

One of the purposes of human beings in the universe is to help matter move toward spirit. It is a great achievement for the atoms of matter to make it into the human body and the most spiritual mater of the body is the eye. Eventually all matter will pass through some human being somewhere.

DK tells us that the atomic bomb represented an initiation for matter. He did not explain why, but it is obviously because a certain amount of gross matter was transformed into pure energy, or spirit, and this is the destiny of all matter to move toward spirit. This will take many eons to complete.

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Greg:

Does Peter need to focus attention on creating an additional molecule to combine with the one that he is already a member of, or is his role to help others to realize the light and potential of which you shared, and the additional molecules will then be bound to Peter’s and any additional by their magnetic polarity?

JJ

The point to understand is that If Peter is on the earth today he is not a member of any molecule because one does not exist. The molecule created by Christ fell apart after the death of the apostles. The life that vitalized the molecule, of course, did not die and will incarnate into another molecule in the future. If Peter were one of the units of this molecule then he may belong to the same molecular entity as in the past but reincarnated in a different body with different properties. He could just as well participate in a molecule occupied by a different entity though.

Just as you have different elements in each body in each life with different characteristics even so would the molecular life reincarnated have different entities composing its body making for different features and expressions.

In the world of form there is no such thing as perfect balance. The instant perfect balance is reached both sides return to spirit. Matter is created through a slight imbalance of positive and negative energies. Even neutron or an inert gas is not perfectly balanced internally.

To create a molecule that becomes a higher life something close to balance must be achieved. It must be close enough so all participants can see through the eyes of the soul. When many molecules are created the working ones will be stable but not in perfect balance. The slight imbalance will cause them to gravitate toward each other seeking greater balance. Eventually greater life forms will be created closer and closer to perfect balance until they are so finely adjusted that the great universe of matter will return to spirit.

Those are a few things in a nutshell. If you haven’t read the Molecular Relationship yet it looks like Dan has dug out some links for us to use.

Fee free to ask any more questions.

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JJ: “Matter is created through a slight imbalance of positive and negative energies.”

Principles of Unification:

(12) I believe that true spiritual principles and facts are in harmony with proven science and all truth no matter where it is discovered. In all situations I seek to know the truth rather than settle for that which is false.

Richard:

The two paragraphs above appear to be inconsistent. Mass, the property of matter that results in the mutual attraction of matter, has been proven to be the result of Higgs fields and the Higgs Particle was discovered experimentally this year at the Large Hadron Collider LHC. The only slight imbalance I am aware of is the slight excess of anti-matter over matter resulting in the elimination of all anti-matter by combining with matter to produce energy.

JJ

First of all the excess is not in anti matter but regular or positive matter. The slight excess of positive matter resulted in the creation of the physical universe. This imbalance permeates down to all matter where any type of duality resides.

There are imbalances all over the place in matter. Even in water you have hydrogen seeking an extra electron from oxygen to achieve greater balance. Every molecule is created through atoms seeking greater balance and every electron seeks a proton to balance it off.

The Higgs particle does not negate anything I have said about the balance of matter.

All form is created by intelligence in matter seeking balance. I believe this is a solid statement that goes beyond scientific theory, but in harmony with all that has been proven to be true,

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Modern and Ancient Writings

Good to hear from you again Jim. You have got to be the most active senior citizen I have come across.

You ask:

So, should we accept Allan’s and Church Father’s , or even ANY ancient thoughts or writings, considered “inspired”, or Channeled, or how ever they became transferred from thoughts to paper 2000 -5000 years ago to our current thoughts and writings more inspired than others?

JJ

We shouldn’t accept anything just because of some claim that it is inspired.

It doesn’t matter to me whether the writing is ancient or modern. Neither does it matter if it is claimed to be scripture, or written by the hand of God himself. I use the same process no matter what the claim is. I read it and run it by my own soul which has power to register true principles and truth behind true principles.

The true language of the soul, is not allegory as Allan says, but true principles and when a true principle is touched upon the soul will vibrate and if one pays attention to that vibration he can find all truth and not be deceived.

One of the core principles in the search for truth is the Law of Correspondences and if a writing has ingredients in one area that corresponds to known truth in other areas one can be assured there is truth to be perceived.

Overall, I would say that there is much more truth in modern writings than ancient, but many of them have used ancient writings as part of their foundation so one cannot discount the breakthroughs of the ancient teachers.

There is a lot more distortion, illusion and falsehoods to sift through in modern writings so finding truth is far from being a no-brainer for us.

I would say that the greatest writings from ancient times are the writings of Isaiah, the Book of Revelation and the words of Jesus. Even though some of the words of Jesus may have been touched up a bit they are still the greatest words over spoken. Within these three groups of writings are Eternal Words, words that will not pass away because they support true principles, the language of the soul.

I believe the greatest writings of modern times to be those of Alice A. Bailey. Many true principles are either hinted at or enunciated there. If I found out tomorrow that she just made everything up on a lark, it would not take away one principle that I have gleamed from the writings.

Many modern teachers present themselves as the reincarnation of some great being or a great avatar yet do not introduce one new principle or even expand on an existing one.

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Johann:

How do you figure that we are in the middle of a big bang?

JJ

It is not this universe that is going through the Big Bang process. Billions of years have elapsed here since our Big Bang.

However there is a universe of universes of which our whole universe is just a small particle. This greater universe is just starting its Big Bang and one second of time in that Big Bang is many billions of years here.

Allan’s bunch keeps complaining I do not teach anything new.

This is just one of hundreds of examples that could be cited that appears nowhere else.

Your comments on the final shape of the universe being like a great eye were thought provoking. A black hole does seem to correspond to an eye.

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Sun Water

I like the Zero Water filter because it takes everything out. When everything is taken out I then put select minerals back in and place it in the sun in clear glass gallon jugs. The sun then kills all bacteria and adds life force.

Dan: What minerals/amounts are you adding? Why do you add them to your water, why not just take your minerals separately?

JJ You’ve probably heard of Dr. Emoto who has photographed the crystalline structure of water under different circumstances. He not only discovered that our thoughts and feelings influence the beauty of the crystals formed, but also the composition. Water with some good minerals naturally forms more beautiful crystals than distilled water. The crystal structure of distilled water with thoughts in neutral is rather nebulous and unformed. I therefore made two decisions in relation to my water. The first was to filter out everything in regular tap water. There’s pollution and chemicals in most city water and many of the minerals are in chunks too big to assimilate by the body. Then after everything is taken out I proceed to add life to the water by adding minerals. To a gallon of water I add a dropper full of ionic zinc, selenium, magnesium silver, gold a couple drops of liquid iodine. Then I add a dropper full of a solution containing about 86 minerals from the NOW brand of colloidal minerals. Then I add about a half teaspoon of Celtic sea salt.

Finally I add a half dropper full of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide. You can read about this here:

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I do this to 10 or more one gallon clear glass jugs of water and then place them outside where they will catch the sun’s rays. They need at least four hours of direct sunlight to kill all bacteria, but I usually leave them out for a couple days so they can catch lots of prana and give the minerals time to respond and resonate with the sun. Then when I bring the water in I add a pinch of baking soda. This turns the water alkaline and it is ready for consumption.

Oct 28, 2014

Do All Have Souls?

Justin posted an link to an article on the soul and asks:

Is it possible for humans on our planet Earth to lack a soul (or Solar Angel)? Sometimes I wonder whether I have one or not.

The link is a quote from Torkom Saraydarian, a writer I have not heard of before, and he has written 170 books. It looks like he is an interesting and provocative thinker.

Many people sometimes wonder if they have a soul or a Higher Source that can be definitely contacted because they seem to be going through some type of dark night where nothing seems to be there and there appears to be little if any help available from unseen sources.

This doesn’t mean that you do not have a soul or that you are not being observed and assisted from time to time. Often, thoughts, ideas and helpful impulses come not just from ourselves, but are placed there by our souls.

The first few times a seeker consciously registers soul contact he will not be sure if it was his imagination or if some real contact occurred. He must pay attention to that contact and as he increases in sensitivity the contact will be more vibrant until his faith is replaced with knowledge and the link becomes a conscious thing always available.

Yes, Justin, you definitely have a soul and the time will come that you will know this for sure. The key is to always follow the highest you know and in doing this your next step will always be revealed to you. Finally one of those steps will lead to conscious soul contact.

Everyone has a soul, even the worst of humanity. You cannot incarnate without a soul. To incarnate our soul must project a portion of itself into our body. Once incarnated the link is there whether or not the person is aware of it.

The closest thing to a person with no soul is one who consciously chooses the Left Hand Path. This is the path of extreme selfishness and to follow it one must reject all communication with the soul. In doing this the person builds up a barrier of rejection. His soul is still there, but because of the self imposed barrier there is no communication and it is as if he has no soul. This entity is later returned to the Source and reworked and has to start his progression all over.

Few people take this route as most turn around before they reach the point of no return. If you have any love for humanity and any desire to help others besides yourself then the link with your soul is still active.

The soul is sometimes called the Higher Self, but it also has a Higher Self which is the Solar Angel. Solar Angels work to stimulate the thinking and learning of all souls until a high degree of progression is made. Failures from past systems have souls and connections to Solar Angels just as do the newer souls. Whenever any entity reaches a stage where he seeks to serve humanity, Higher Lives will be there to assist him.

The quickest way to get the attention from your soul so that you will know its reality is to lose yourself in the service of humanity. Start with your family and friends and expand from there. Like attracts like. You show love and shortly thereafter the love of your soul will be felt.

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The Big Bang Again

First let me clarify. When I casually stated that we are in the middle of the Big Bang of the multiverse I was not referring to any midway point but merely saying we are somewhere between the beginning and the end, I should have said “in the midst of” or “the beginning of” to be more literally accurate.

Johann asks:

Awaken again to this plane of existence? Do you mean the plane of six?

JJ

No. I mean the universe of Seven. We recreate all universes numerous times until we reach the greatest state of perfection possible in the Universe of Twelve.

Grasping all the concepts from the Grand Tour are mind-boggling and it is difficult to absorb the depth of the time, space and scope. Every time the highest universe possible is completed and returned to pralaya we start over again and the Universe of 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 are created again and the lives within awakened on their own plane. When the Universe of Eight in our present evolution is completed we will sleep here and awaken in the new universe, but each of us will be joined by billions of others to participate in a much greater life just as the atoms of our bodies are living things participating in our life. This will be many trillions of years in the future.

Johann:

First the Big Bang of eleven should not even remotely be seen by our scientists so I naturally thought that you meant the Big Bang of our current universe of seven as one of it’s many

incarnations.

JJ

The beginning of our big bang started when the last major round of creation ended with the Universe of Eleven and then started all over to head toward the creation of the Universe of Twelve.

The Last Universe of Eleven existed as a single entity with all universes within it and reflected itself creating the Universe of 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 all over again but with greater perfection. We are now in the midst of the Universe of Seven.

Johann:

Well, here is another contradiction. The universe of 11 has already been perfected and we are in the last cycle of seven before another Great Decision will be made.

JJ

All universes from 11 on down have achieved relative perfection many times. This universe reached the highest perfection possible in a past incarnation, but is now recreated with slightly different ingredients with the goal of reaching a greater perfection and beauty this time.

We are not in the last cycle of seven before another great decision but have many yet to go. The Universe of Twelve has to be perfected before that decision is made. This universe will be reborn many times before we move into the Universe of Eight, let alone that of Twelve.

Contemplating this vastness reminds me of a scripture given to Joseph Smith:

Wherefore, no man can behold all my works, except he behold all my glory; and no man can behold all my glory, and afterwards remain in the flesh on the earth.” Moses 1:5

In other words, if one truly grasped all the works of God it would boggle the mind so much he could not even remain on the physical plane. We see only enough to stimulate the expansion of our consciousness.

Oct 30, 2014

Claims of Greatness

Some claim special powers because they can take people into past lives or were a famous person.

I can take most any person off the street and get him to recall what he thinks is a past life. Most people with a little hypnosis or guided meditation can recall past lives.

Here is the problem. A lot of past life recollections are false memories and to find out for sure if they are real a number of tests need to be applied.

Here are some causes of false past life memories:

(A) The subject knew a famous person in the past and would have liked to have been him and identifies with him.

(B) The subject has read about a famous person, would like to be him and picks up a thoughtform on him from the astral plane.

(C) The subject picks up the frequency of a past life other than himself.

(D) The subject just has a good imagination.

Nov 1, 2014

Discerning Revelation

Allan actually brings up a good topic for group discussion here. He says:

…when a supposed revelation comes to one person, it means absolutely nothing unless a means is found for that revelation to be received by others who are willing to seek the knowledge.

JJ

So, what do you think? Is this statement true?

Do you have to experience a repeat of John’s vision of the Beast to understand the Beast?

If not, what is the real key to understanding a revelation given to another.

What can you understand and then maybe not understand completely about a true revelation given to another person?

And how about the person who claims to receive a revelation? Is it true just because he seems to have had a supernatural experience?

Nov 3, 2014

Good comments on the current topic. Good to see Jim jumping in with his views.

ImAHebrew and Latuwr also joined. Even though they have a different belief system than most of us they are considerate and polite. Then there are a couple others who like my writings but do not post.

Allan says this:

…when a supposed revelation comes to one person, it means absolutely nothing unless a means is found for that revelation to be received by others who are willing to seek the knowledge.

The Question:

So, what do you think? Is this statement true?

Not exactly. If a revelation is written down or presented vocally then it can have great meaning to others who have not experienced it. You do not have to go through the experience to gain significant knowledge from the experience of others. In fact sometimes the person who did not have the experience will gain more from it than the one who actually had it, as many do not fully understand the revelations they do receive.

Why did the prophets and sages write down their revelations? Surely it was because they thought that those who did not have the same experience would benefit from them.

I doubt if anyone has received the same revelation as John did when he wrote he Apocalypse, yet many have received beneficial insights from it for 2000 years now. I’d be willing to bet that neither John nor Daniel fully understood the great revelations they received at the time they were given. Concerning some of Daniel’s revelations he said, “I heard, but I understood not…” Dan 12:8

This happens to many who hear a voice or see a vision. They hear and see but understand not. Someone who hears of the revelation may understand it better than the receiver, just as Joseph understood the Pharaoh’s dream much better than he did. Neither the Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar understood the revelations they received.

Revelation can come in a number of different ways. It can come in the form of an audible or inaudible voice, a vision, channeling, gut feeling, impression, a visitation, or some type of communion with one’s Higher Self or a Higher Life. While knowledge gained from all these sources may be helpful it can be distorted by the lower personality and misapplied.

The most reliable revelation comes from the intuitive plane or higher. There is where the language of principles dominate.

When data is given the recipient may gain very little in real understanding, but when a principle is grasped the seeker takes a definite step forward into a greater light. Two people given the same facts will often disagree, but two people seeing the same principle will not.

Unfortunately, many think they understand a principle, but really only have taken in some facts surrounding it.

It is interesting though that the understanding of a principle, or a new insight on a common one, can be shared with some people who will instantly see it after it is communicated. In this case, those who did not receive the revelation understand just as well as the original receiver.

Now applying principles is another matter. Many understand some basic principles, but do not apply them whereas a few will take the understanding and apply as much as possible. Those who do apply are opening the door for greater light.

Whereas the knowledge contained in a revelation can be shared with others a spiritual experience is another matter. An experience, spiritual, or earthly, can be shared quite well with others who have had a similar one. If you share our experience of touching a hot stove most people will completely understand because they have also touched a hot stove at one time or another. On the other hand, if you share your experience of winning the lottery others will get the general idea of how you feel, but because they have not won they may not completely understand.

If you buy an exotic fruit and taste it and a friend asks what it tastes like you can tell him that it tastes something like a cross between an orange and a pineapple. This gives him a general idea, but he would have to taste it himself to understand completely.

The point is that all revelation can be shared in different degrees with us mere mortals and differing amounts of benefits can be obtained.

Of course not all claimed revelations come from a reliable source. Some are full of illusion. How do you tell if something is true?

The first thing you do is look at the principles involved. Your soul will vibrate when a true principle is supported and if a principle is applied well or distorted you will be able to tell through inner registration.

If the revelation merely contains data that cannot be verified then one must use his mind and common sense and weigh the information against principles that are understood. If someone tells you that they received a revelation that there is a ton of gold buried ten feet deep in your front yard you could not verify such a thing using principles. You’d probably go with your common sense which would tell you the guy is a loon.

If higher verification is lacking the best thing to do is go with the highest you know. Those who do this and are true to themselves will unravel all truth as it comes knocking at the door.

Some time ago we discussed the Principles of Discovery which involved ways to verify truth. A search of this phrase at freeread.com will bring quite a bit up. Maybe we’ll revisit this subject at some time.

Nov 4, 2014

Life’s Direction

Robert writes:

What if these alien conspiracy people put that same thirst for knowledge into voting and trying to make a better world community. Use their creative mind to come up with new businesses that solve the problems in the world or create a new type of community.

JJ

Even though I find UFO stories interesting and believe that many other planets are inhabited, not only in the physical but in higher planes, I do not feel the inclination to put much energy in this direction.

My soul prompts me in the direction you indicated. I feel it is important for me to do what I can to send forth what light I have to make the world a better place. I do not see this as a life to concentrate on self improvement for myself, but to be as much service and use as possible. Improvement of self is always a byproduct of service so I am not concerned about this.

Of course, there are some lives where specific talent and abilities need to be acquired and the pilgrim will concentrate on self during such a life. Other lives one will concentrate on giving out what has been acquired.

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Sarah writes:

I was curious what JJ and the Keysters thought about how the birth experience effects the baby’s life….or does it?

JJ

All seven of my children were born at home and I delivered six of them myself. None of them were easy births as the labor of each one was over 24 hours and all weighed around 10 pounds or more with the heaviest weighing 13.5 pounds and my wife was fairly small – only 5 ft 2 inches. The largest child at birth is very strong now and an expert and teacher of martial arts.

The births didn’t go without incident. One had the cord wrapped around its neck, one I had to turn so the birth could be achieved and one appeared to be stillborn and had to stimulate him to come to life.

I’m sure an orthodox physician would have done a C-section for most of these births, but I’m glad they were born naturally. Except in extreme cases the body is able to adapt and deliver if you just let the body handle itself.

Even though I believe natural birthing is the best as well, as breast feeding, the most important thing is the child receive love and acceptance from the parent. Even if the child doesn’t get the best beginning he can overcome setbacks and forge ahead with the best of them.

I was nursed on Caro syrup mixed with canned milk and raised on a terrible diet, but made changes and have been in good heath since.

Nov 5, 2014

Lights in Germany

Ruth:

I was wondering how the Brotherhood of Light knew that Hitler would be the Anti Christ in Germany? Or rather how they knew that the Dark Lord of Atlantis would possess Hitler at that time?

JJ

According to DK they didn’t know that Hitler would successfully rise to power and create such a problem. He said they were pretty much caught by surprise. Now I’m sure the Masters knew that Hitler and associates had incarnated in Germany, but it appears they did not expect him to tune in to the First Ray energy release and run with it the way he did.

Ruth

There were 5,000 light workers in Germany on purpose? Because? Of the Shamballa energy? Or something more?

JJ

Many Lightworkers incarnated into Germany at that time because it seemed to be fertile ground in which to plant seeds of positive change. Unfortunately, Hitler upended all such plans.

Ruth:

Plus some of the top Disciples were working within Hitler’s inner circle, so I wondered how they knew that this was going to happen in that time frame?

JJ

Some top disciples were caught under Hitler’s tyranny and could only fight it by sacrificing their lives, which many did. Before birth, they saw the possibility of what did happen but they were hoping to incarnate and assist the German people on the road to higher consciousness while living under a free government.

Neither the workers in the light or the dark side are flawless in the execution of their plans. Fortunately, The Law of Dominating Good governs us. That which leads to spiritual evolution will dominate in the end, but the good guys often suffer setbacks before that happens.

I’m glad you stuck it out with us and happy to see you making progress. You’ve made a great effort to follow the highest you know.

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Johann:

So if someone comes and kills your baby and you hold grievance then it is if you have killed your baby yourself and you suffer the karma from that?

JJ

No. That is not what I said. BUT if you carry a grievance toward one who committed a crime toward you then you will be linked to that person. Not only will you meet him again in a future life and work out your grievance, but your spiritual progression will be hindered. This is why Jesus strongly taught to forgive in all instances, an example he set by his forgiveness of those who crucified him. He had to do this to set himself free from a negative connection to his persecutors.

If the person forgives who has suffered a major offense then he will take a major step forward toward Spirit.

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Crystallization

Ruth

Do you think Allan has learned anything new from JJ or us or anyone else, or taught anything new the past few years or lifetimes?

JJ

Let me clarify what crystallization is. A crystallized person still has a working brain and habits and can still read books, take up hobbies at retirement and learn anything he wants that merely requites the input of data.

What he doesn’t do is take on a deeper type of learning that will require an adjustment in his thinking and direction.

About 90% of the people crystallize around the age of 54-56 at the second Saturn Cycle. Even though these people may continue to read books they are stuck in the path of least resistance for them and just coast for the rest of their lives leaning on what they know and believe without seriously exploring new alternatives.

For instance, it is almost impossible for a Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist who is satisfied with his religion after crystallization to change his belief system even if problems with his doctrine are presented with crystal clarity.

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