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Keys Writings 2014, Part 22

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This entry is part 26 of 33 in the series 2014

Sept 21, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 1

Since many seekers place a lot of weight on the Gospel of Thomas I thought we would briefly go through it and discuss some highlights. Keep in mind that all writings, whether they be scriptures or the National Enquirer, must be ran by the light of the soul to discern the truth. Just because someone claims that Jesus, God or Zeus, says a thing is true doesn’t mean that it is.

First of all, here is a link to the Full Gospel of Thomas from which this comment will be based. Quotes from Thomas will be in burgundy and other quotes will be in blue. The writing starts out as follows:

1 And he (Jesus) said, “Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death.”

This is quite close to the words of Jesus in John:

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.” John 8:51

Though it is possible to extend the life of the physical body no single form is used by the soul forever. All of us will have a separation from present forms no matter how righteous we think we are and since death is really a separation of some kind then the separation from our present form, or the death thereof, is something that will happen to all at one time or another, even the Masters.

So what is it that we will never be separated from if we keep the words of Jesus?

It is our connection with the Spirit of God. If we have that connection before the death of the body then that connection will continue afterwards. After the death of the body it will seem that we are moving toward a greater life, not death. There will be no separation or death for us from our Source if we keep the Eternal Words of Christ in our consciousness.

2 Jesus said, “Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]”

This is a similar injunction to Mathew’s:

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.” Matt 7:7-8

Thomas does add that the truth will cause one to be disturbed. This is sometimes the case, but not always. There have bee many times that finding a greater truth was the cause of great joy and I was not disturbed at all. On the other hand, finding a truth that runs contrary to our sacred cows can be very disturbing. The author must have been referring to these kinds of truths.

Then he says:

When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]”

Obviously the one who would reign over all has accepted greater truth even though it was disturbing at first. So is this a true statement?

It is from this perspective.

Most people when presented a truth that runs contrary to their belief system will automatically reject it without even thinking it through. Those few who do consider and then accept a truth even though it disturbs their past mindset obtain power.

And what power is that?

They have power over illusion, glamour and error. They will have power to reign as a king in the realm of reason when confronting those in darkness. They will live out their days as a life giving servant of truth that none can overcome with falsehoods and then when they depart this realm they will rest from their labors as it says.

The writer continues:

3 Jesus said, “If your leaders say to you, ‘Look, the (Father’s) kingdom is in the sky,’ then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fish will precede you. Rather, the <Father’s> kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

The gospel of Luke tells us that the Kingdom of God is within us, but Thomas goes a step further here and says it is not only within but also, “it is outside you.”

This is in harmony with what I have taught many times which is the Kingdom of God is both within and without. When one achieves soul contact he discovers the kingdom within. But when he gathers with others who have found the inner kingdom then he has also found the outer kingdom.

Here is a description of gatherings of the just that manifests the kingdom of God inside and out:

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Heb 12:22-23

The disciples asked Jesus about the manifestation of the outer kingdom:

“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.” Acts 1:6-7

Notice that Jesus did not say the outer kingdom would not come, but it wasn’t something the disciples needed to know at that time.

The second half of verse three of Thomas reads:

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty.”

Questions:

What is it that we are supposed to know about ourselves? Why would we then be known and by whom? And why do those without this knowledge dwell in poverty?

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Anonymous says:

Before these questions can be answered, you must first comprehend why you fail to Know Thyself? Why you are not Known? And what condition of mind constitutes dwelling in Poverty?

The answers to the 114 sayings of the Gospel of Thomas cannot be taught by a teacher of this world — neither can the answers be found in a book written in the languages of man — the answers to the sayings that bestows eternal life on the seeker/disciple, can only be revealed through the inner experiential knowledge as one explores and discovers one’s True Self that is not manifest in the body-vessel — and ultimately, the inner Logos/True Prophet.

So let me get this straight. It is useless in your view to even read the Gospel of Thomas in an attempt to understand it as the meaning cannot be taught in a book, or by a teacher or communicated in an earthly language. Yet you insist that you have communicated meaning from it and criticize me for not recognizing this.

It seems that in your view anything we do to understand Thomas is futile. I should just throw my hands in the air and cease with any further analysis of Thomas in earthly language. Reading it, studying it, getting advice from a teacher- all will not work. You even discount my teachings on going within by insisting I have not arrived at the within point you have reached.

So if we cannot go within, except for your version, which has never been spelled out, and neither any regular type of searching will work – what must we do?

Obviously the answer is to follow you exclusively in the hope that crumbs will fall from the table that will lead us to the high and holy place.

All this reminds me of this scripture:

Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Luke 11:52

They Key of knowledge is available to all who sincerely seek and is not hidden away in some secret vault of which the combination is only known by the elite.

He’s making the same mistake as those of old in that his mysterious key is so illusive that the allurement of the mystery prevents some from seeing the true key which is not hidden, but lies right in front of their vision, as correctly spoken by Thomas:

“Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.”

Anonymous:

For you to even begin to make the statement that the Gospel of Thomas saying 84 was never explained to you — and admit that you don’t understand the meaning of this saying as per your own words below

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I never “admitted”, wrote, spoke or inferred that I did not understand the quote from Thomas. I already made this clear but you again state the unfounded accusation. It is quite easy to understand, not beyond human ability, as you portray it. My point was that it was no big revelation, but a common teaching not giving out a big mystery – not that I did not understand it.

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Anonymous:

The Gospel of Thomas is designed for those seeking the instruction of first their inner soul-self, and ultimately the Logos. In the Homilies Peter explains with respect to reading the scriptures that, “…therefore great care is to be taken, that when the law of God is read, it be not read according to the understanding of our own mind.

It looks like you are being disobedient here, for again and again you read and present the scriptures using your own mind. I certainly do not see anyone else’s mind at work in your writings.

Anonymous Quoting:

For there are many sayings in the divine Scriptures which can be drawn to that sense which every one has preconceived for himself; and this ought not to be done. For you ought not to seek a foreign and extraneous sense, which you have brought from without.”

This is really good advice for you as you often interpret writings with your preconceived notions as a base. You also do this with what I write. Your Higher Self must have inspired you to post this in an attempt to bring you into the light.

Anonymous:

That the scriptures have a spiritual meaning that can only be perceived and understood by those who are themselves spiritual, means that the meaning of the sayings in the Gospel of Thomas — as well as all the Gospels — can only be perceived understood when the Indwelling True Prophet reveals the meaning to the seeker/disciple.

Yeah, again this is good advice for yourself. Some of the Keys members are pretty good at reading in the light of “the Indwelling True Prophet” that you mention and you are preaching to the choir in this regard.

Anonymous:

Notice in the above that there is a warning about interpreting the scriptures from a human perspective –

Then why do you keep interpreting them by the use of your human mind with a human perspective? Strange approach indeed considering what you claim to believe.

Really, you should cease attempting to take away the Key of Knowledge from us by presenting it as beyond our ability to understand unless we go through you. Your tricky statement to Johann will not discourage him from using the Key of Knowledge. I quote: “The knowledge that is portrayed (in Thomas) as inconceivable to the “natural” organic mind of man.”

I thought you didn’t like that old Pharisee approach.

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Anonymous:

Everything written in the text of the Gospel is a type of parable that is designed for the immature who are in need of “milk”. The true meaning of the Gospel is reserved for those who seek to transform their body, mind and being, and enter In The House were all Truths are revealed. Which means that when I interact with those in this forum who are very much “without” the House, I use the teachings in the literal text — in much the same way that the Gospel account of Jesus only spoke to the people in parables.

You must also feel that the members of your forum are “without” the House for you use the same approach, the same quotes, the same literal interpretation of literal scriptures etc. You do the same thing on your multiple web pages.

Do these deeper interpretations just exist in your wild imagination or is there an example you have ever given out in your entire life? If so, let’s have it. Just one example please. How about one from the Gospel of Thomas?

We are waiting with bated breath.

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Sept 22, 2014

Anonymous:

Yes, this is a “milk” level forum.

Evading the question again I see. Let me repeat:

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Examining Thomas, Part 2

Anonymous must be pretty upset that we are discussing the Gospel of Thomas and revealing the Key of Knowledge concerning it. After all, according to him, we are in the milk department and unworthy to access the key to higher knowledge which is sealed up in his spiritual vault.

Good news my friends! There is no need to break into a special spiritual vault. God is no respecter of persons and all that He has is available to us with no human person needed as an intermediary.

Here is the verse from Thomas we are currently considering:

Questions:

What is it that we are supposed to know about ourselves? Why would we then be known and by whom? And why do those without this knowledge dwell in poverty?

Johann gave a great answer to the first question:

“We are the sons and daughters of God and have the same creative attributes as God.”

The second question is:

Why would we then be known and by whom?

Johann answers:

“We would then know ourselves as co creators with God and the God within or the eternal spirit would know that we have received our inheritance and acknowledges it. We would then be equal to God.”

He is headed the right direction. When we realize that we are reflections of God with all the attributes of godliness available then we will think and act independently of all human illusion and consciousness will ascend to a higher level. As our consciousness ascends it attracts communion with higher lives. We are thus “known” by these great entities when we reach their level of brotherhood.

The principle involved here is like attracts like.

The third question:

And why do those without this knowledge dwell in poverty?

To this Johann responds:

“Because if we do not have this knowledge then we see ourselves as something lesser than we truly are, not creating or thinking and dependant on external sources and others. Our cup would always be half empty instead of half full.”

Yes, if there is a well of golden truth inside of us, which is readily available when we realize who and what we are then it would be obvious that those who do not draw from such wealth would be in spiritual poverty.

This idea reminds me of a story told by Napoleon Hill as follows:

An uncle of R. U. Darby was caught by the ‘gold fever’ in the gold-rush days, and went west to DIG AND GROW RICH. He had never heard that more gold has been mined from the brains of men than has ever been taken from the earth.

He staked a claim and went to work with pick and shovel. The going was hard, but his lust for gold was definite. After weeks of labor, he was rewarded by the discovery of the shining ore. He needed machinery to bring the ore to the surface. Quietly, he covered up the mine, retraced his footsteps to his home in Williamsburg, Maryland, told his relatives and a few neighbors of the ‘strike.’ They got together money for the needed machinery, had it shipped. The uncle and Darby went back to work the mine. The first car of ore was mined, and shipped to a smelter. The returns proved they had one of the richest mines in Colorado! A few more cars of that ore would clear the debts. Then would come the big killing in profits. Down went the drills! Up went the hopes of Darby and Uncle! Then something happened! The vein of gold ore disappeared! They had come to the end of the rainbow, and the pot of gold was no longer there! They drilled on, desperately trying to pick up the vein again— all to no avail.

Finally, they decided to QUIT. They sold the machinery to a junk man for a few hundred dollars, and took the train back home. Some ‘junk’ men are dumb, but not this one! He called in a mining engineer to look at the mine and do a little calculating. The engineer advised that the project had failed, because the owners were not familiar with ‘fault lines.’ His calculations showed that the vein would be found JUST THREE FEET FROM WHERE THE DARBYS HAD STOPPED DRILLING! That is exactly where it was found! The ‘Junk’ man took millions of dollars in ore from the mine, because he knew enough to seek expert counsel before giving up.

Even so must we look within and without and follow all leads to the spiritual gold.

Here is verse 5

5 Jesus said, “Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. [And there is nothing buried that will not be raised.”]

As pointed out in The Lost Key of the Buddha the truisms of the world are on par with the best of the scriptures. A truism that encapsulates this saying is that many people cannot see the forest for the trees.

Often the truth is right in front of us and we do not see it. The Source of all truth is right inside of us and you can’t get any closer than that.

Another point is that in the front of your face in the forehead is the ajna center, or third eye, which reveals the truth of whatever you want to look for when fully opened.

Verse four is kind of a strange one. It reads:

4 Jesus said, “The person old in days won’t hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one.”

This, of course, is not literally true and doesn’t even seem to adhere to the Law of Correspondences or make sense. Maybe Thomas threw this in just to mess with us.

Let us suppose that Thomas was trying to tell us something. What would be your best shot at an interpretation?

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Anonymous:

Your concept of discussing what you think the meaning is from a human perspective, and then calling this the Key of Knowledge, is not what the Gospel portrays as the proper application of the Key of Knowledge.

I left out an important point in my last post, which was what the Key of Knowledge was that I was referring to. It is the understanding that we are the reflections of God possessing all His attributes to become manifest. This must be realized before one can become soul infused and correctly learn from the inner teacher, and of course learning from an inner teacher is a key to greater knowledge.

Many people believe they are the offspring of God on some level, but understanding the implications is another matter.

Jesus emphasized his key when he told us:

Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? John 10:34

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Examining Thomas, Part 3

Here is the verse I challenged the group to interpret:

This is kind of a difficult one in which to see much value and would have been a good one for Anonymous to demonstrate his claimed higher knowing in showing us the meaning. As it is Ruth was the only one who ventured forth a guess.

She related the “person old in days” to an old soul and the “child seven days old” to a young one. She says the young souls may progress faster than the old because of their karma and thus he first will be the last. Not bad.

If Jesus really made this statement from Thomas I‘d say that he was far from his best at communicating as it does nothing to inspire me as do many words in the Gospels. We could come up with numerous interpretations, but I doubt if any two people, no matter how soul infused, would come up with the same one.

Here is one possibility:

The only way an old person could talk to a seven day old child and learn about the place of life would be to speak to the child’s Higher Self. The child is behind the older person in earthly progress as life begins, but if his soul is more evolved he will surpass the older person and balance the male and female energies within him so he is as one life with an eye single to the glory of God.

Now let us move on to more of Thomas:

6 His disciples asked him and said to him, “Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?” Jesus said, “Don’t lie, and don’t do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed.”

An important realization on all these verses is that they are not linked to each other, but are stand alone sayings. The verse that follows often has nothing to do with the one that preceded it.

The only thing that departs from the gospels here is that Jesus tells the disciples, “don’t do what you hate.”

This is good advice and there are a number of self help books written on this idea. To succeed in life you must like your work. Doing that which you hate doing is not only unpleasant but blocks energy flow and can lead to all kinds of health problem.

The last part of the verse echoes the words of Luke:

For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.” Luke 12:2-3

Thomas continues:

7 Jesus said, “Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human.”

This verse is just not true. If one of the apostles heard Jesus talking about the evolution of humans and animals then he must have misunderstood and wrote it down wrong.

A lion does not become a human by eating a human. Some particles from the human may become part of the lion but that does not make him human. Neither does the reverse work.

If we interpret it allegorically we could say that partaking of either a higher or lower nature will cause us to progress or go backwards. If this is what the writer meant to communicate then it was a silly way to do it. It would have been much better to just come out and state the obvious meaning.

8 And he said, The person is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of little fish. Among them the wise fisherman discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea, and easily chose the large fish. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!

This is similar to a better written version in Matthew:

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world (literally age): the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just” Matt 13:47-49

This is a scripture that deals with the gathering of lights between the ages. The lights are gathered from among the unjust before great cataclysms.

Verse 9 is similar to the Parable of the Sower from Matt 13:3-9.

Verse 10 says:

Jesus said, “I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I’m guarding it until it blazes.”

Jesus cast fire upon the world through the power of his words and works. His power was similar to the Two Witnesses wherein it is written,

…fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: Rev 11:5

He measures the truth given out in such a way that we are protected from the blaze getting too big too fast.

11 Jesus said, “This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?

The heaven passing away most likely refers to this physical world and the one above it would be the astral/emotional which also shall one day pass away.

“The dead are not alive, and the living will not die.”

Here he is most likely referring to those who are spiritually dead and alive.

“During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive.”

There are a number of ways to interpret this. We eat dead food and it lives again in our bodies. Others feast on dead works and their belief makes them seem like living works, but this is an illusion.

The last of the verse is merely a reflection on out duality.

This next verse is a controversial one:

12 The disciples said to Jesus, “We know that you are going to leave us. Who will be our leader?” Jesus said to them, “No matter where you are you are to go to James the Just, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being.”

This would be a good one to leave for group consideration. Questions: Do you think that Jesus really said this? Why do you suppose this was placed in the text? Do you think that Allan is the reincarnation of James? Give any thoughts and reflections you have.

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Sept 24, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 4

The Quote:

The Questions

Questions: Do you think that Jesus really said this?

The group pretty much agrees that this sounds fishy and this is probably not an accurate quote. Larry made the excellent point that “The Gospels in the Bible state the disciples did NOT know Jesus was going to leave them. For example, look how lost they acted after his crucifixion. They certainly did NOT posses detailed instructions how to fill his leadership slot after his crucifixion.”

Why do you suppose this was placed in the text?

Larry gives another good answer:

Why place this in the text? I can speculate. Probably the guy who brought this collection of Jesus’ sayings called himself James and used it to claim beastly authority.

Do you think that Allan is the reincarnation of James?

Most have their doubts about this.

Keith thinks it is probable that Jesus did appoint James to be the leader in Jerusalem since this was historically the case. This would have been done after the resurrection as it sounds like the question was asked while he was still in mortal flesh. He only talked of leaving them when he was mortal, but after the resurrection he said, “I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matt: 28:20

Some say that there is symbolic meaning in the name of Jacob from whence James was derived – that the verse was implying a state of mind that Jacob represented that we are supposed to obtain.

This doesn’t make sense though when you look at the meaning of the name.

This name James comes from the Greek IAKOBOS, which is derived from the Hebrew for Jacob.

The Patriarch Jacob had two names. First, he was known as Jacob, but then, after he wrestled with God, he was renamed Israel.

Jacob signifies the lower nature and comes from the Hebrew YA`AQOB and is derived from AQAB. From this word and its variations the Bible gives these various translations: “heel, take by the heel, supplant, restrain, lie in wait, crooked, deceitful, polluted, and subtlety.”

After Jacob wrestled with God his name was changed to Israel, which means “to prevail as God.”

When the disciple, as symbolized by James (Jacob), meets the Christ (God) he wrestles with his lower nature until he prevails as Israel and then lives a life through the consciousness of Christ or God.

Thus we see that Israel is the consciousness to which we must aspire, not Jacob or James.

Looking at the whole picture then I think Larry was right, that someone added this in an effort to give more authority to James. Since the evidence indicates the book was written long after the death of James then most likely the apostle had nothing to do with he wording.

Is Allan a reincarnation of James? I haven’t had a revelation on it nor do I care to know. If he is then he is a good example of why we naturally forget our past lives. The purpose of forgetting is so we will concentrate on learning new things and going new directions. Allan wants to relive the life of James instead of moving on to a new and better one.

And obviously, heaven and earth did not come into being for any single man, but for all lives therein.

Here is verse 13:

Jesus said to his disciples, “Compare me to something and tell me what I am like.” Simon Peter said to him, “You are like a just messenger.” Matthew said to him, “You are like a wise philosopher.” Thomas said to him, “Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like.” Jesus said, “I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended.”

And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, “What did Jesus say to you?” Thomas said to them, “If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you.”

I think this verse was the result of a creative mind attempting to add to the mystery through fiction. How about you?

14 Jesus said to them, “If you fast, you will bring sin upon yourselves, and if you pray, you will be condemned, and if you give to charity, you will harm your spirits. When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it’s what comes out of your mouth that will defile you.”

The first part of the verse makes no sense as written. The only way one would be condemned for fasting, praying and giving to charity would be if the motive were self-serving. After all, Jesus fasted, prayed and advised people to give to the poor. He praised the widow for giving her last two mites as an offering. The writer should have clarified the meaning here so it would make some sense.

The last part of the verse is interesting and tells us that the writer didn’t advocate a strict diet of any kind including vegetarianism:

When you go into any region and walk about in the countryside, when people take you in, eat what they serve you and heal the sick among them. After all, what goes into your mouth will not defile you; rather, it’s what comes out of your mouth that will defile you.”

Jesus is quoted here as commanding the disciples to eat what people serve them and obviously they would have been offered meat and fish, as well as wine on a regular basis.

Anyone have any idea what this next verse means:

15 Jesus said, “When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father.”

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Denver Snuffer

I’ve just found out about Denver Snuffer recently and haven’t read his books but a few things about him and several of his blogs. Apparently he claims to have has a vision of Jesus and uses this as a claim to his teachings being authoritative.

I’d approach him like everyone else who has claims to higher knowledge. Read through the material and see what registers with the soul. Overall, he seems to give the Mormons something to think about, but doesn’t have a lot of teachings that would be of interest to other seekers as a whole.

The main question you want to ask when investigating any rising teacher is this. Am I trading one outer authority for another or have I found someone who doesn’t need claims to authority and whose words register with my inner authority?

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Right Use of Authority

Jenny writes:

It is still a challenge to not become the beast for my own children and then still mother them.

Because children do not have the mental capacity to choose all things for themselves they need a certain amount of authority to guide them. Authority over a child, rightfully done, is the right place for the use of what would be beastly authority for an adult. You’ll notice that the agents of the beast treat us as children and expect us to respond as if we were unable to decide for ourselves, as if we were little children.

Primitive humanity was governed by unquestioned authority, as well as most of the people today. Once one becomes a spiritual adult he can then discern for himself as an adult.

Meanwhile kids, need structure and here is the right place to use firm unquestioned authority while looking for avenues to encourage them to think for themselves.

Jenny:

I really liked this interview but was disappointed it ended right in the middle of a conversation. JJ can you finish your thoughts here?

What determines the length of time between past life’s?

The advanced soul determines the time for himself. Many advanced souls jump right back into incarnations because they feel they can be of greater use on earth than resting in the spirit world. Others go on to work in the higher spheres and may not return for an age.

For others it depends on their karma and willingness to return. Because of the increase of population the average stay in the spirit world is decreasing. For those designated to incarnate in this period the time between lives is probably around 100 years.

Jeny:

I loved your explanation of baptism for the dead, but what about the other work of ordinances done in the temple for the dead? I know people feel beings (the entity they are doing the name for) with them as they do that work for them. What are your thoughts?

Here’s a link where I talk about eternal marriage which should answer some questions.

LINK

Eternal Lives, Chapter 7

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Study Group

Greg asks:

With this knowledge and the keys, how do “I become” after I “have decided” to be a vessel that can add its light with others?

One of the best things you can do to help is to start a local study group. Here is a link where I talked about how to do this.

LINK

Since I wrote this a very helpful website has developed called meetup.com which is a forum to announce group meetings as well as to see what is available.

The next best thing to organizing a group is to search out other groups talking about philosophy, spirituality and metaphysics and attend. Many groups will allow quite a bit of input and you can share some of the things you learned as well as study how a successful group is working.

I also have free copies of Book One of the Immortal in audio and printed format that I give away free. Let me know if you want some to pass out.

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Sept 25, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 5

Back to Thomas

The Question: What is the meaning of this verse?

15 Jesus said, “When you see one who was not born of woman, fall on your faces and worship. That one is your Father.”

This is a tricky scripture. After all, who is it that was not born of woman? All agree that even Jesus had a mother. If Jesus couldn’t fit the bill then who could?

Ruth came the closest to giving an answer that fits all the correspondences. She answered that it could be the monad or the overshadowing Christ.

At his baptism Jesus was overshadowed by the great entity who had the position of Christ for this planet. The indwelling Christ had contact with his monad which was not born of woman and neither was this entity who shared the body with Jesus born of either mother or father – not at that time anyway.

Melchizedek was also overshadowed by a high entity who was not born of woman. He was Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Heb 7:3

I have written quite a bit about this overshadowing or divine possession. Here are some links:

Part 1

Part 2

Here’s the next verse:

16 Jesus said, “Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there’ll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone.

This is very similar to this scripture in Matthew:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. Matt 10:34-36

Unfortunately, this has been used by many Christians to justify unjust violence. The common interpretation is that a higher light causes a lot of division before it is totally embraced by the whole.

17 Jesus said, “I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart.”

This is a common expectation among believers.

Maybe we ought to call the author of Thomas the Riddler, for many of these verses are written like riddles to be solved more than teachings to bring light and truth. Anyway, here is the next riddle:

18 The disciples said to Jesus, “Tell us, how will our end come?” Jesus said, “Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death.”

So let’s hear the group’s thoughts on this one.

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Sept 26, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 6

Here’s the latest scripture to decipher.

This is a tough one but a few of you took a stab at it. Several mentioned the Monad as the beginning and the end. We could also say that God is the ultimate beginning and ending point. When we discover our point of origin and become one with it then we will indeed stand at the beginning and the end and be beyond the reach of death.

How do we go about doing this is the great question and the answer is revealed in another interpretation of this verse, as we must always remember that words that are inspired have more than one meaning.

Those who suffer the taste of death are always looking for an end, and it is a particular type of end. They want an end to all discomfort, an end to risk, an end to hard work and an end to all things difficult.

This illusion is illustrated in the teaching of many religions. Devotees are taught that if they live their religion that they will go to a place which will be an end to all their discomforts. There they will live in joy and peace forevermore.

To overcome death one must discard this notion of a changeless end with no new beginnings. We must accept the fact that what may appear to be an end is really a new beginning. The disciple must apply this idea in his life as not only is it human nature to want an unchanging blissful end in the afterlife but most want to set themselves up in this life so they can relax, retire and take it easy until death takes hold.

When the disciple reaches the end of a lesson, a job, or a goal he must be “born again” into a new field of endeavor. Your soul will not renew your body or extend your life if you are just going to rest on your accomplishments, but it will work with you if you are going to plunge into new and useful fields of endeavor.

“…the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death.”

When a goal is reached the disciple must not see himself at the end of the road but at an end that is also a new beginning. This is the secret behind being born again and bypassing the taste of death. Unlike the regular mortal who is always seeking never ending pleasure and retirement, the disciple is born again with a new beginning when an end is reached. Of course he is allowed a Sabbath of rest to savor the fruit of his labors.

There are more riddles to solve in the next verse:

19 Jesus said, “Congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being. If you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings, these stones will serve you. For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death.”

Let us hear the group’s ideas on this one.

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Sept 27, 2014

Examining Thomas, Part 7

Here’s the next verse to solve.:

One thing I am noticing about the book of Thomas is the many dualities presented almost like they were designed to correspond to the meaning of Thomas, which is “twin.” For instance “the one who came into being before coming into being” presents a twin, or dual presentation of one idea.

Our consciousness as a soul came into being before our lower self did, but that applies to all of us and the writer here implies that this just applies to just a few. Perhaps because only the few realize it.

The fact that the stones will serve us presents the same idea as the scripture, “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,” Rom 8:28 The elements themselves have a basic intelligence that can be activated and directed toward a good end to those who dwell in higher consciousness.

The verse ends with, For there are five trees in Paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. Whoever knows them will not taste death.”

It is interesting that the Bible only talks of one tree in paradise, which is the Tree of Life, but here five trees are mentioned. The Tree of Life has twelve different fruits whereas no fruit is mentioned concerning these trees, but only leaves. You don’t eat fruit from these trees, but you have to know them instead.

A tree in the scriptures represents a state of consciousness or a being of higher consciousness. The leaves represent disciples who teach true principles. The five states of consciousness we must know concern the physical, the emotional, the mental, the consciousness of the soul and the originating monad. Then we will be one with the Father and the Son and not taste death.

Let us move on to the next verse.

20 The disciples said to Jesus, “Tell us what Heaven’s kingdom is like.” He said to them, It’s like a mustard seed, the smallest of all seeds, but when it falls on prepared soil, it produces a large plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky.

This is similar to Matthew 13:31-32. There has already been a lot of commentary written on this, so let us move on.

21 Mary said to Jesus, “What are your disciples like?” He said, They are like little children living in a field that is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, “Give us back our field.” They take off their clothes in front of them in order to give it back to them, and they return their field to them. For this reason I say, if the owners of a house know that a thief is coming, they will be on guard before the thief arrives and will not let the thief break into their house (their domain) and steal their possessions. As for you, then, be on guard against the world. Prepare yourselves with great strength, so the robbers can’t find a way to get to you, for the trouble you expect will come. Let there be among you a person who understands. When the crop ripened, he came quickly carrying a sickle and harvested it. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!

I think this could have been written much clearer, but here is what I get out of it.

We mortals think that we own things like land, homes, cars and possessions, but in the end it is an illusion. They will all be taken away from us either through natural catastrophe or death. The true disciple realizes this and thus is not attached to possessions, and is even willing to give the clothes off his back in his quest for the kingdom of God.

On the other hand, it is important that the disciple not be swindled out of that which is necessary to sustain service or his right to decide his own destiny. He must therefore “be on guard against the world” so he doesn’t give all his possessions to some greedy guru or yield to the beast of unearned authority. If he is wise he will be a part of the great harvest of he Master.

This next verse is stated by he who claims to be James reincarnated to be the Key to the whole book and he quotes it a lot but offers very little in the way of explanation other than saying we do not understand it.

22 Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, “These nursing babies are like those who enter the <Father’s> kingdom.” They said to him, “Then shall we enter the <Father’s> kingdom as babies?” Jesus said to them, “When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom].”

Okay, knock yourselves out. Let us see if the group can come up with an explanation that makes some sense.

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Dan:

This last one hits close to home for me personally. I sometimes find myself longing for “home” and to hear that “home” is just a LITERALLY deadly illusion is . . . devastating.

Glad you appreciate the teachings, Dan, and still get insights after all these years. The fact that we must be “born again” into new endeavors should not be devastating, as rest, peace and bliss, which is great for a while, becomes a negative after a period of time. We always crave a new challenge sooner or later. The Key found by the masters is to be born again in this life without having to die first and reincarnate.

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This entry is part 25 of 33 in the series 2014

Sept 12, 2014

Vegetarian Diet

Anonymous to Jim:

Perhaps you are out of place in this forum also. JJ has stated that he too is a vegetarian — as set forth by Alice Bailey.

First, all are welcome here whether they agree with us or not as long as they have something positive to contribute and are civil. Jim seems to be a very interesting guy and look forward to hearing more from him.

Secondly, I am not presently a vegetarian, though I have been on a raw foods vegetarian diet part of my life. I have had enough experience with both diets to understand the advantages of each. I find no benefit from the vegetarian diet as far as enlightenment or receiving spiritual knowledge goes. The same goes with spiritual experiences. I have received my greatest spiritual experiences while on a meat eating diet.

Some of the advantages of the vegetarian diet are:

(1) It is good for the inner work if you want to astral travel or do heavy meditation.

(2) It lessens the pull of material forces, but if you are a focused meat eater you can just ignore that pull.

(3) If done right with the inclusion of lots of raw foods it is good for your health. If one eats a lot of dead vegetarian foods then it may be less healthy than eating lots of meat.

The fact that Hitler was a vegetarian and non drinker while FDR and Churchill were big meat eaters and drinkers illustrates the truth of the statement of Jesus that it is “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.” Matt 15:11

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Sept 14, 2014

To Veg or not to Veg

Anonymous Quotes from Esoteric Psychology, Vol 1, Page 241 as follows:

One point of interest might here be noted. It is known esoterically that the vegetable kingdom is the transmitter and the transformer of the vital pranic fluid to the other forms of life on our planet. That is its divine and unique function. This pranic fluid, in its form of the astral light, is the reflector of the divine akasha. The second plane therefore reflects itself in the astral plane. Those who seek to read the akashic records, or who endeavour to work upon the astral plane with impunity, and there to study the reflection of events in the astral light correctly, have perforce and without exception to be strict vegetarians. It is this ancient Atlantean lore which lies behind the vegetarian’s insistence upon the necessity for a vegetarian diet, and which gives force and truth to this injunction. It is the failure to conform to this wise rule which has brought about the misinterprertions of the astral and akashic records by many of the psychics of the present time, and has given rise to the wild and incorrect reading of past lives. Only those who have been for ten years strict vegetarians can work thus in what might be called the “record aspect of the astral light”. When they add to their purified astral and physical bodies the light of reason and illumination of the focussed mind (which is very rarely found), then they become accurate interpreters of astral phenomena. Their link with the vegetable kingdom is then very close and unbreakable, and that link or binding chain will lead them through the door to the scene of their investigations.

This statement from DK agrees with my last post where I spoke of the advantages of the vegetarian diet, one of which is:

It is good for the inner work if you want to astral travel or do heavy meditation.

If one wants to read the Akashic records accurately or do a lot of the inner work while in the flesh it is a big help to go on a vegetarian diet. Since this is not the course I am pursuing then I have not found this necessary. I have gone on fasts and raw foods diets in the past more for health than spiritual purposes. My greatest gift is to tap into the intuitive plane wherein the understanding of principles lie and diet has very little effect on that ability, as long as I maintain my health.

I have little interest in my own development in this life, for my purpose is to bring down knowledge and will that will aid in the transformation of human consciousnesses so we can take a step in the direction that will take us to manifesting the will of God on earth as it is in heaven.

It may be helpful to give the rest of the quote. DK continues:

But unless the goal of a vegetarian diet is this field of service, the arguments for its following and for that form of diet are usually futile and of no real moment. From the standpoint of the eternal verities, what a man eats or wears are seen in a connotation very different to that of the one-pointed fanatic. Let me again reiterate that this whole problem of the taking of life (whether in the vegetable or the animal kingdom) is a far bigger one than we know, and should be approached from an angle different (not only in degree but in kind) to that of the taking of life in the human family. The three aspects of divinity meet in man, and with the destiny of a divine son of God no one must interfere. Where the two aspects of divinity are concerned, as in the subhuman kingdoms, the attitude can be otherwise, and the emerging truth is different to that which the little minds believe.

The vegetarian diet is very helpful for the inner work, but can be a distraction for the outer. One of the main lessons my soul guided me to learn concerned dealing with the outer world and I found that being on a vegetarian diet as I struggled with this was not helpful at all. The more refined the diet I was on the more I wanted to retreat into the inner and ignore the outer, but alas that is not in harmony with my mission so I eat meat and drink some wine to keep me grounded and focused where I need to be at present. That of course could change if the need requited it.

I do not think many vegetarians realize the negative effect that would be produced within the animal kingdom if we all turned into vegetarians tomorrow. Most of the cattle, chickens, lamb, pigs, etc., would lose their source of sustenance and would suffer enormous depravation and death. Some species would be in danger of extinction.

Some of the large farms these days do abuse farm animals and I try and avoid buying from these.

Cows, chickens, pigs, and other farm animals raised for food on small farms often have a close relationship with humans and have their evolution enhanced. Farmers often talk to these animals, name them and feel genuine affection toward them. In return these animals are stimulated and do acquire a sense of higher relationship toward their masters which wild animals never develop. These domestic animals are thus stimulated in their evolution toward the human kingdom just as teachers among us stimulate our human evolution toward the Kingdom of God. Our own evolution toward the Kingdom of God often carries with it much more sacrifice than that experienced by the domestic animals. Domestic animals, for instance, are often taken better care of than are those in the wild at the hands of nature.

Even though an animal may be sacrificed for food the farmer may incur more positive karma than negative if he treats it humanely and makes its stay here on earth a pleasant experience.

As time passes humanity will move toward a vegetarian diet but for sometime in the future there will be a percentage of meat eaters who will insure the preservation of domestic animals such as cattle, sheep pigs, chickens etc. The cruel conditions of the large farms will be turned around as humanity grows to respect the lives in the animal kingdom.

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Anonymous:

Shalom JJ:

What you are saying is that you and the people in this forum are satisfied to be as Pharisees — even to the degree of rejecting a disciple of the Christ when he is invited into this forum to speak to the membership.

You wish us peace and then insult us as being Pharisees. That is extremely incongruent. Even Jesus did not have a problem with people merely disagreeing with him and did not hang his head down feeling rejected.

Anonymous

What you and DK portray as a fanatic, I have been for countless lifetimes.

Obviously your vegetarian diet isn’t much help for you in seeing truth for I never portrayed vegetarians as fanatics. After all, some of the members here are vegetarians. Why would I insult them?

Anonymous:

Moreover, I am married to a fellow fanatic who has herself achieved Buddhihood in her own past lives.

I haven’t seen any such evidence of the described achievement by you or your wife. Just you saying a thing is true doesn’t make it so. Most people with a little help can see their past lives and be guided to their higher self. That by itself does very little to increase any degree of attainment. Real attainment is gained through hard fought struggles in real life.

Anonymous:

For us, it would be a sin to eat the flesh of dead animals.

For you it probably would be, but not for me.

Anonymous:

Yet, like a true Pharisee, you began our relationship by condemning me when I was speaking the truth to the forum members.

Maybe you need to eat a little meat to stimulate your thinking as again you are wrong. I have never condemned you. If you think I have please supply the actual quote of my words. I have only disagreed with some of your teachings and that is a much different animal than condemnation. I disagree with my wife on some things but even her sensitive female does not see me as condemning her.

Anonymous:

And while this is the objective (bodily purification) of the Nazirene Disciple forum, it is not the objective of the people in this, the Keysters forum.

Well, you are right there. I certainly do not lay down the law on bodily purification, but leave it up to the members as to what they want to do. I try to follow the example of Joseph Smith who said, “I teach correct principles and let people govern themselves.”

The purpose of this group is not to guarantee anyone’s salvation or to make sure they are on the right diet but to give out true principles which they can then interpret and act upon according to their free will.

There are many teachers out there who have written many treatises without shedding new light on any principle let alone give out new ones. Many here who seek the principles behind things find this to be an oasis of knowledge.

Anonymous:

You are satisfied with reading the books and the wisdom of men, and being good church-type of people.

Yet again, your sense of truth is lacking as few here attend any church. If we are not interested in attending church or establishing one then we are hardly church-type.

Anonymous:

Yet, in this forum, Jim was permitted to openly denigrate mystics such as myself who dwell under the Nazirene Vow.

And you were allowed to compare us to the Pharisees who crucified Christ. I’d say you are the champion denigrator so far and don’t have much right to complain.

Anonymous:

If you had confessed to Stephen that you are satisfied with being a church-type authority who derives their wisdom from books and higher-level carnal thinking,

Stephen is not my priest. So… if I get my wisdom and teachings from books and you do not, then why is it that perhaps most of your teachings are found in books and many of mine are not? So, where then do my many teachings found in no book come from? And how can you say that your teachings are not from books when you just repeat teachings already found in books???

Anonymous:

You not only portrayed yourself as the highest source of truth…

If diet helps with enlightenment then you need to change yours for you are absolutely wrong again. I have never portrayed myself this way.

Anonymous:

but you portrayed the body of Nazirene Disciple forum members as being ignorant of the great truths which you espoused. In the same manner as the Pharisees who rejected and crucified the Christ.

There you go again with the insults, but getting more virulent.

Anonymous:

Now we have the question: Are you going to go to Stephen and tell him that while your ideas of a high-level spiritual community was conceptional, the actual community can only be inaugurated by a higher-level group outside of the Keysters forum?

Again your sense of perception is askew. The Keys is a classroom and it was not organized to set up a community, but for the sharing of knowledge. If a community gets set up that is in harmony with higher will then I suspect that some members will join, but I do not see them being attracted to anything you might be in charge of as it would be too old school and restrictive for them.

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Anonymous:

I was guided here to help you and your forum achieve your higher spiritual goals.

And maybe you are seeing things backwards as you have in many statements you made about me. Maybe you were guided here to discover the error of your ways.

Maybe there are things you need to confess to Stephen.

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Sept 15, 2014

Allegory and History

The Assignment:

Contemplate current events and tell us one or more truths revealed by them.

Adam was the only one enterprising enough to respond to this. He mentioned ISIS and the fact that evil triumphs when good men do nothing. He gave some good quotes from Winston Churchill. I’ll just repeat one I liked: “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.”

One of the best allegories from true events of recent history is found in the ascent and descent of President Obama in the minds of the public. He was elected on the empty promise of hope and change. Most who voted for him did not know what the hope was based on or what change they could expect. It was like he was saying, “hope and change, you fill in the blanks as to what that hope and change may be.”

So, he was basically elected on a catch phrase with no substance behind it, except for that which was in the imagination of the people. This catch phrase delivered with polish carried so much weight that he became the first person to be awarded the Nobel Prize for doing nothing, except making promises.

This true story reminds me of the fable of The Emperor’s New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen about two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that is invisible to those unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the emperor parades before his subjects in his new clothes the people are so captivated by his authority that none will admit that their leader is naked. This continues until a child yells out, “But he isn’t wearing anything at all!”

Obama’s promises were naked, but like the people in the story, if you were not unfit, stupid or incompetent then you were supposed to have seen that his words were really clothed with brilliance. Unfortunately, those who cried out that the promises had no clothes of substance were ignored until now when the nakedness is becoming obvious and many are realizing they were made naked promises.

Anonymous has been quoting Alice A. Bailey and Theosophy on diet with the implication that we should be following what they say.

According to what has been taught here over the years what is the true criteria that determines whether or not a disciple will follow a teaching?

If a person follows something merely because someone says he should what does that say about him?

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Welcome to the group Rich.

Truth is spiritual whether it be religious, philosophical, scientific or political. We do not care here which division truth is in – we only care if a thing is true or the highest we know as far as truth is perceived.

Truth benefits all races and is inclusive.

If you disagree with what I sad about Obama that is fine. All views are welcome here as long as they do not take us too far off topic and are civil.

So, what spiritual path do you follow?

Sept 17, 2014

Inclusiveness

Jim:

No one on KOK tries to force any one who wanders in to start gobbling Red Meat with the blood oozing out, or smacking on Pork Chops as their initiation requirement to fellowship and sharing ,…….( with out dogmatizing )! Or suddenly becoming a Alice Bailey DK Mormon New Ager as a requirement to fellowship among other Seekers who have not yet be able to arrive at the subjection secret Garden of Eden where Anonymous claims to project from. I also haven’t read any Ananthamas against ALL other paths as is usually done on all of Alan’s Forums that declare from Anonymous’s subjectional Dogmas and his “shepherding” of seekers.

You have excellently stated one of the core differences between our forum and Anonymous’s. Or for that matter, our forum and most anything out there with an ideological content.

Consider what caused Anonymous and his group to originally be offended. It looked like Stephens idea of cooperation wasn’t going to get off the ground, but I did see one item of doctrine that I thought would be good for group discussion. Anonymous teaches that the Bible writers’ presentation of history was not literally true, but altered (I’d say fabricated, but Anonymous does not like that word) in such a way to present hidden truth through allegory. So I posed the question to the group as to whether this altering of history would be justified in order to present higher truth, especially when most people (including Einstein and Newton) would take the history to be a literally true presentation.

Anonymous and his inner core were extremely offended by us examining this idea and even accused us of distortion and lying about him. Yet he never presented any evidence of distortion nor were able to point out any accusation of Anonymous being a liar. It is interesting that outside of an original mention of Anonymous presenting the teaching we were going to discuss the doctrine as it stands alone without further mention of him or his group.

Groups such as Anonymous’s do not want their doctrine examined on a mental reasonable basis. You can only have a friendly conversation with them if you start with the premise that you agree with basic doctrines.

When you, ImAHebrew and his brother came here Anonymous warned us that you do not agree with us100%. By his criteria, then I should have rejected you. But as long as a person is civil and not just mindlessly attacking we are open to a reasonable discussion of anything taught here. If we find a flaw in the principles of reason we are happy to correct and move on. If two cannot reach agreement then normally some things will be put on the shelf and we will move on.

Some of my strongest supporters here have strongly disagreed with me in he past and still do not see all things as I do, but we are still friends and I am happy to have them here.

I doubt if there is anyone in Anonymous’s circle who, in the past, spent several weeks in fierce disagreement with him on a core teaching. I would guess that such a person would be written off as belonging to outer darkness.

Anyway, Jim, ImAHebrew and others who may not agree on all things are welcome here. All we ask is that members feel there is something here for them, seek to contribute in as positive manner as possible and be relatively civil. All are free to question anything said here without fear of being shunned.

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Sept 18, 2014

Adam and Dan are contemplating deep thoughts that deserve some additional comment.

Adam says:

I’m still getting some cross-over in terminology, which makes me go squint-eyed trying to figure out when the discussion is about the Multiverse consciousness and when it is the Universe consciousness.

When we talk about the one God we are generally referring to the One Great Life whose life permeates all there is in all universes. What is left unsaid is that human consciousness can only tune into that portion of God that flows through the ring-pass-not of the system in which he dwells. For all but a few high initiates humans are limited to tuning into the life of God as it manifests here on planet earth.

Right now, the consciousness of God is developing through human type lives throughout the physical universe. When you get to levels above human such as planets, suns and galaxies the evolution of he indwelling life is not very advanced and proceeds with a different reckoning of time..

Let us take the earth for example. It has an indwelling life which is an extension of God just as we are, but it has not evolved to a level on its own plane that a human has on his. And a human has not evolved as much on his plane as an atom has in its state of relative perfection.

The most advanced being on the earth is the Planetary Logos, or Ancient of Days. Because he tunes into all the life on earth he is sometimes confused with being the indwelling life of the earth, but that is not him. He is merely a very advanced human who works with and stimulates the indwelling life of the planet.

This same principle applies to the solar system as a whole. It is presided over by an advanced human Logos, but the indwelling life of the whole still has a long way to go.

Advanced human lives who serve as a logos only go so far up. The Logos who is The One About Who Naught Can Be Said is the highest known. There doesn’t appear to be any advanced human or group evolved enough to govern a galaxy, the universe or multiverse. That all will come many billions of years hence.

Meanwhile the life of God in an elementary form is evolving in the galaxy and beyond and when the galaxy reaches a certain point of evolution a very advanced human logos will join with it to create governing principles to stimulate higher evolution.

Adam:

The question at this point is whether or not the Universes inside the Multiverse are sufficient “Atoms” for the Multiverse to manifest in physical consciousness following each “perfected” state of 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 OR must the Multiverse wait until each Universe finalizes its individual decision to become whatever it set out to become – in the case of our Universe – a relatively perfected 12.

As the Universe of Seven nears perfection, after many incarnations, then it will commune with other universes who are also nearing perfection. When relative perfection is reached they will unite together and create the Universe of Eight, where there will exist eight creative rays rather than seven, which will then greatly multiply the possibilities of creation.

Dan:

“What I mean is, for example, did the ‘big bang’ happen on the universal or metaversal (or metametauniversal, etc) level?” Adam adds: [first?] chicken or chicken? or simul-chicken?

Wherever an extension of the life of God begins there is a correspondence to a big bang. For instance, at conception there is almost an explosion of cell creation, the doubling of which slows as the pregnancy evolves. Even so, a planet, a sun and a galaxy began with a seed around which gathers an explosion of growth that later levels off.

The reason the Big Bang for the Universe was so dramatic was because it happened in a different time reckoning. Billions of years of evolution occurred in less than a second.

Did the multiverse also start with a Big Bang? Actually, we are in the middle of its Big Bang as we speak.

For those who say I just read books and come up with this stuff I ask this question. Where are the books that talk about these things we are discussing or cover the knowledge given in the Grand Tour of my book Eternal Words?

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Sept 19, 2014

Anonymous quotes a lot from the Gospel of Thomas and I assume he thinks it predates the gospels of the New Testament. Craig Evans has done a lot of investigation into its dating and concludes that Thomas was not only written after the gospels but uses them as source material in many instances. He dates Thomas to be around 180 AD and the Gospel of the Nazirenes to be around 150 AD.

Here is a link to the section of his book dealing with this.

LINK

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The Laggards

Ruth mentioned that I didn’t answer her last questions so here goes:

Ruth

JJ: “Human type life is fairly rare on physical planets but much more abundant on the spiritual doubles.”

Is this because the Laggards are sent to physical planets to pass harder tests and take harder initiations?

No. There are laggards in every sphere wherein there is life. Some always progress faster than others no matter what the surroundings are.

I didn’t quite understand the rest of her questions so I’ll just say a few things about laggards and hopefully the answer will be there.

The laggards are old souls who are quite adept in the ways of living. In a previous system they merely did not evolve into higher spiritual consciousness and thus had to incarnate in another round as regular humans to complete their evolution. Instead of us assisting and teaching them it is often the other way around and they often teach us since many of them have advanced minds. Einstein for example was a laggard. But as intelligent as he was he was not sure that life continues after death. He did believe a higher intelligence governed the universe, but did not believe in the God of any religion.

DK tells us that in this round 60% of humanity will advance to spiritual consciousness. Most of the laggards will advance to this group. The 40% will be the laggards that will finish their schooling on another planet.

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Ra seems to think I was being super negative in presenting a fairly objective analysis of the date of the Gospel of Thomas.

What is it with you Allenites that whenever we discuss something in an objective manner, that you use or believe in, that you think it is negative and should not have been presented?

You guys can knock yourself out analyzing anything I teach. Why do you not want to look at your teachings and materials in the light of day? It might bring you some new knowledge.

If you read the whole of the material I linked you will see that the writer did a pretty good job of presenting both sides of the argument and if there is something posted with which you disagree, instead of complaining that is negative then give the evidence to the contrary. And even if the material is one-sided (as most is) where is the harm in presenting it if anyone is free to post the other side.

I think his most impressive argument for the late second century is, in his words, “the number of specific contacts between the Gospel of Thomas and Syrian Gospel traditions and other Syrian religious traditions” when the Syrian writings are dated to around 180 AD.

Whatever the case, the seeker should judge any writing, not by its date, but by the amount of light and truth contained within. But if it is important to establish them as the actual words of Jesus then the earlier the date the greater is the probability that they will be his words. Of course, the teachings could still be true no matter who wrote them.

Tell me one verse of the Gospel of Thomas that reveals a truth of which you were not aware until you read it there.

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Sept 20, 2014

Deep Thoughts

Adam:

So when a cosmic question is asked by a student, I wonder if you were hoping to present the material down the road, or if you only wished to hint at certain answers that are within your database, or grasp, or if you sometimes have to go to the “well” with some questions, to seek further information and clarification from within?

Sometimes I am asked questions that delve into future material. This happened a while back as I was giving a class here in Boise. Susie Wong asked me a question that could only be answered by partially explaining an unrevealed Key. After giving out information on it I decided to present it more fully at a Gathering.

Then, sometimes I am asked a question I have not even thought of myself. Sometimes such questions can be answered by good common sense and reason and other times I have to stretch my mind up to the intuitive plane.

Greg:

You pointed out that as the human race develops and progresses that advanced Logos will stimulate and work with galaxies, universes, etc. The question is, as we evolve, develop, and progress, will you and I and all of mankind become (I do not use that word arbitrarily) the entities that you discussed, that will incarnate in worlds, solar systems, galaxies, universes etc? As the universe of 7 becomes perfected will highly evolved human entities still exist or will we be part of the development of other worlds, solar systems, galaxies, universes etc?

There are two types of entities that preside over the larger lives such as planets and solar system. The most advanced at his time are entities who have passed through the human system. These have been called Masters, Chohans, Logoi or Gods by many. They are not the one God, but share Its consciousness. There is always one that presides, but many others who assist and preside over their own spheres of labor.

The second type of entity is the life itself that incarnates into such a body. For Earth this is sometimes referred to as the “Spirit of the Earth” or more commonly, Mother Nature. The incarnating life of these greater bodies is not as evolved on its plane as we are on ours and lives by a different reckoning of time. It would take about 25,000 years to register one heartbeat of time of this planet. These entities are not advanced humans but composite lives that consist of all the lesser lives upon it, just as you are one human but have billions of cells in your body.

As humanity evolves and becomes as the Gods they form hierarchies that assist in governing and stimulating these greater bodies. We as humans do not individually evolve into a planet or star system but become one with others that create greater lives that cooperate with other lives in the universe that will eventually bring it into a sate of relative perfection.

The Ancient of Days presides over this earth and is the Planetary Logos. His consciousness is so high that he can tune into, not only all the lesser lives, but the Spirit of the Earth itself and take care of planetary needs as they occur in our reckoning of time. He is the bridge of consciousness between the two levels of time.

***

Ra, you keep criticizing me for associating Anonymous with the Gospel of Thomas. Where did I do this? I merely said I “assumed” he believed it was of early origin.

You say: “name an instance on this forum where I analyzed your teaching and down played it or said you were flat out wrong?”

I never accused you of anything of the sort so why search for such a thing.

You quote a number of verses fro The Gospel of Thomas but you didn’t answer my question which was, Tell me one verse of the Gospel of Thomas that reveals a truth of which you were not aware until you read it there.

You give quotes but do not explain what truth was revealed to you. Take this quote, for instance, “When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom].”)

Now what in the world is that supposed to reveal? I’ve seen this quoted dozens of times by Anonymous but never once explained.

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Principle 55

February 5, 2015February 5, 2015 Joseph Dewey

This entry is part 53 of 98 in the series Principles

The Principle of Light

We all know what light is, right? It is those ephemeral rays that we shine on something that allows us to see. That sounds very elementary, but it is about as good as that which is found in most dictionaries.

If we want to understand light we must go deeper than the dictionary definition. We must examine it more closely.

Consider this. If you were to travel into space you would be bathed in the light from the sun. Yet when you look into space what would you see?

Blackness.

Yes, you would see a few stars resting in darkness but no light from the sun.

Let us say you get a lot closer to the sun and move within the orbit of Mercury. Now you are bathed in several times more light than when on earth, but when you look into space, what do you see?

Again you see blackness and perceive no light from the sun.

There you are close to the sun where space is filled with sunlight, but you do not see it.

Why?

The answer is quite simple. Light in this physical reality is only revealed by contrast and shadows. In space there is no object that can cast a shadow so there seems to be no light.

Light is that which reveals.

In space there is nothing revealed to our eyes by the rays of the sun even if we were close to it being drenched in light. The scripture describes this accurately, “And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.” John 1:5

This scripture has many levels of meaning but it illustrates the point that light shining in darkness with no contrast is not seen or perceived.

Even so, darkness is needed to allow light to be revealed. Within the darkness of space sits the earth and when the light from the sun strikes its rough surface the contrast of light and dark reveal many shapes.

In space we not only cannot see the light of the sun, but we cannot see the colors that compose that light. When the light of the sun strikes the earth different elements absorb different parts of its spectrum causing the reflection of partial light in the form of colors.

The light that reveals our world of colors is only one of its aspects. Another that we all use is the light of understanding. Since light is that which reveals – this would mean that light is more than that which we see in the physical world. Understanding is revealed to our minds and when his happens the principle of light would be in play. When a teacher is attempting to enLIGHTen a student’s understanding he may speak of “shinning a light upon the subject.” Then when the student sees the point it is as if “a light is turned on in his head.”

In addition to this physical reality there are many spheres of light beyond that which we imagine. The Bible gives a hint of this, “In thy light shall we see light.” Psalms 36:9

In the higher worlds light is still revealed by contrast, but it is not a contrast of light and dark, but the contrast of degrees of light. In a great light one can see the lesser lights.

Here are some statements on light from my previous writings taken from the Book of Quotes, compiled by Bryan Smith.

“If a light is slowly dimmed to fifty percent strength and then is instantly turned up to full strength, the person is startled as to the intensity. He had no idea he was missing so much light. Even so, with spiritual light; we are often not aware when we are losing it.”

Light also reveals knowledge, which knowledge is light, which light protects from darkness because darkness has no power to penetrate light as light has power to penetrate darkness.”

“You can shine a light and dispel darkness, but you cannot shine ‘dark’ and dispel light.”

“Love is very closely associated with dark, but is the highest correspondence of the female polarity just as divine light is the highest correspondence to the male polarity.”

When a light is turned on in the darkness, the darkness is no more. Darkness cannot extinguish light, but light can cause darkness to immediately disappear.”

“It is a glorious thing to bring light to others. This principle is behind the entire concept of salvation.”

“The joy after a period of darkness and struggle is greater than the peace of one who only basks in the light.”

“Light in its highest essence is the radiation which is seen whereas its true opposite Love is not visible, but lies hid in the esoteric dark of life.”

“The greater the light the greater will be the attack of the forces of darkness upon the light.”

“A work of light is never destroyed by its enemies, but by its friends.”

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Principle 54

February 3, 2015February 3, 2015 Joseph Dewey

This entry is part 52 of 98 in the series Principles

The Principle of Love

Many people believe that Love cannot be defined or explained. It just seems to be something that is and can be mysteriously felt, but not understood.

The truth of the matter is that anything that exists can be put in words. If it cannot then it does not exist for all things are created by the power of the Word, or vibration, and without the Word there “was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:3)

If Love can indeed be put into words then why is it that so many insist that it cannot? There are several reasons for this.

In the majority of people Love most prominently effects the emotional body. This body does not reason, but just feels. A feeling cannot explain itself. The only way to truly understand and explain Love is to focus beyond the emotional body to the realm of the mind and above. That which is above can comprehend that which is below but that which is below cannot fully understand that which is above.

Am I saying that Love originates in the lower part of our nature? Of course not. Love originates in the divine essence of God and permeates all things. If a person has his consciousness centered in the lower nature, or the emotional/astral body, then that is where his consciousness will perceive Love. Love will be in the lower emotions, but the perception there will be distorted and even upside down.

Those who see Love from the center of emotion will feel it but not be able to explain it accurately. In the emotional world Love is turned from being unselfish to selfish. Others are Loved for what they can do for the emotionally based person. The object of Love is seen as a desirable possession.

Because of this distorted view, Love seems to be a whimsical thing, not predictable at all and certainly not something that can be explained.

Even so, the feeling generated by Love is so powerful that even the most material of humanity recognizes that Love comes from a divine source.

The problem with supplying an explanation of the principle of Love that all can embrace is that its energy descends through many spheres and densities and is seen on many different levels and experienced in numerous different ways.

Even so, it remains eternally a principle that can be expressed in the word.

What then is the principle behind Love?

Actually, the answer is very simple for the workings of all core principles are simple. A principle is the simplest essence of a thing that explains the whole.

In the beginning was the One that multiplied Itself and became the many. In the end, the many unite and merge and again become the One. Love is that force which draws the many back to their source so they eventually become the one and enter into the great rest of God — pralaya.

Love can only exist when there is more than one life. It is the attraction of one life towards another life with the immediate goal of union and the ultimate goal of going back to the One Source. It only manifests in the many. When the many return to the One then Love enters a state of rest for there is no longer the many to be pulled into the One.

One of the reasons that God made the many was to experience Love. In oneness there is peace, but not Love. Love needs the duality of two or more to be felt and express itself. When the many are drawn into the One then there is no form to supply a vehicle of expression for Love. During the great rest between creations, Love remains as an idea in the eternal mind of God, always awaiting opportunity for a new creation that will allow a fuller expression than before.

In our world the seeker first learns about the magnetic pull of Love toward union through his emotional self. He eventually transcends selfishness and catches a glimpse of the heart of God and sees Love from the vantage point of unselfish giving of himself to advance the purpose of the many merging toward the Source, the One.

This view of love is different that seen by most religious teachers.

One of the limitations of the scriptures and religious teachings is that they deal with the effect of love and not the principle.

The principle of love is part of our very nature so when anyone feels it there is a knowing, even among those who are not spiritually evolved.

Religious teachings encourage acts that manifest love, but they do not tell us what love is.

Perhaps the best statement of Jesus illustrating the actual principle was found in these words:

“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.” (John 12:32-33)

What was he saying here? He was telling us that His crucifixion that would lift Him up was going to be a great act of love that would draw all men to Him.

That power that pulls the many into the one is the principle behind love. That principle is a magnetic pull that draws us back to our source. It pulls the many back to the one and causes the divided to be a unity.

When you fall romantically in love with someone what do you want to do? You are magnetically drawn to this person and want to be as close as possible. When one falls in love he or she wants to be together not only physically, but emotionally, mentally and spiritually. When people first fall in love they sometimes can’t get close enough and almost wish they could share the same body together.

When two friends share a non-romantic spiritual love they will also be drawn to each other and enjoy sharing and unifying in all ways except with romantic and sexual energy.

In all cases love creates a magnetic force that draws two or more toward a center.

When this is understood then love can be seen as something greater than just a mysterious feeling. When it is understood as a principle then it can be applied with greater intelligence. When not understood, but just seen as a feeling then that feeling is often applied incorrectly so the end result frustrates the power of love and more division is the result than is unity.

When applied correctly the seeker will use his power of judgment to use this energy to find those who are on the same level of the love vibration as himself and unite with them. Those on a different vibration are tested to see which areas of feeling respond to a similar love vibration as his own. When similarities of acceptance to the love vibration are found then the seeds of love can be planted even in two people who do not think and feel alike.

A fullness of sharing and unity requires the two to look beyond differences and personality to the world of the soul. Unfortunately two people who can do this consistently are rare. But the good news is that love is increasingly streaming forth into the hearts of men and the application of this principle is on the increase.

If we do not bomb ourselves back into the Stone Age, then within 150-200 years from now the brotherhood and love among humanity will be greatly increased to the extent that the new age will become a reality.

“Love thy neighbour as yourself, but choose your neighbourhood.”

— Louise Beal

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