Nutation – Freeread

This entry is part 19 of 25 in the series 2013

June 15, 2013

Henry Laurency

Ruth writes:

Did you also read these books by Henry T Laurence, JJ? I do not remember seeing it on your book list? I do not remember you ever referring to him in your teachings either…….

There’s a lot of good material out there I haven’t had time to read. Just because I haven’t commented on it doesn’t mean that there is not some good truths embedded.

Actually, I did make a comment on Laurency and it was to you back in 2003. Here it is:

“Everybody puts into his words the “content of reality” he is able to grasp on his level, in his circumstances and opportunities to have experiences. All too often people talk at cross purposes, and misunderstandings are inevitable. This appears best when you hear people reporting what others have said. They turn it into something different from what the original speaker meant. When something you have said is reported back to you, you will not recognize it and you may honestly assert that you have not said it. It is another matter that many people do not know what they have said, do not mean what they are saying, and then are indignant when it is reported back to them. It is frequently seen that people say one thing, mean another”

Henry Laurency

Ruth writes:

Hey is this guy talking about the Bible????????

I just wanted to add that I have asked many questions on this list over the year, and only one or two were answered. It doesn’t bother me at all, because down the line somewhere the answers will come out from someone on the list, so as long as I have got them off my mind, I have the faith that the answers will come to me eventually.

JJ:

I guess it’s about time I answered one of your questions then.

This quote is from Henry Laurency and he does not seem to be talking about the Bible. Glenys turned me on to him a while back and I have been reading him and using some of his material for my quotes lately. He was a student of DK and some say he had contact with the Hierarchy.

He has some good insights, but still a long way to go to match DK. End Quote

That said I think I’ll read some more of him in the near future.

June 16

Dan;

I just wanted to take a moment to remember and thank the person responsible for

(re)introducing me to Henry T Laurency’s works.

If I hadn’t gone to ATS and become intrigued by Initiate, I wouldn’t have

encountered Laurency – which I am enjoying.

I read a little of him when he was brought up years ago and downloaded a lot of his material. Now I’m taking a second look I do see he was quite intelligent and will soon plow into some more of his writings.

Ruth:

So are you guys looking for new truths or principles that are not already stated in the HPB, DK and JJ teachings?

I know I am and I hope everyone else is also. Truth is where you find it and you just never know where it will show up. As I’ve said before, an enlightened soul can find more truth in the National Enquirer than a darkened soul from the Bible.

It is difficult to judge other seekers accurately for their souls will direct them in different directions according to their needs. Some will be impressed to concentrate on one or two sets of teachings whereas others will be impressed to search out the best of many.

Personally I have founds truths in many different directions in my life including the soul itself even though I have put a lot of attention on the scriptures and DK.

When a new teacher surfaces I always check him out and even if the guy is no match for DK but is sincere one can often get some great insights. Sometimes I get insights from posts made by the members of the group.

Then there are many teachers who shed no additional light and leave me flat. On these I do not waste time.

On the other hand, what speaks to one person may not speak to another.

Ruth:

Quotes from Laurency:

“11. Our planetary government can, with the effect of natural law, switch on cosmic energies and prevent them from entering our planet.”

True or False?

They can manipulate some cosmic energies and others they cannot. All lives have their limitations.

Ruth quoting;

“14. Ever since Atlantis, mankind has had to take care of itself during twelve thousand years.”

True or False?

False ……Mankind has still been guided by the Hierarchy from behind the veils and mankind has still been steered by those old souls such as Moses and others who keep on reincarnating to help further the plan with higher teachings, therefore mankind was not left to take care of itself totally.

He didn’t say we would get no guidance from the Hierarchy. Since he accepts the Alice A. Bailey writings he obviously believes we receive revelation and direction from time to time. He seems to be restating the words of DK that the Hierarchy withdrew its direct interplay with humanity after the failure of Atlantis and allows humanity to do the maximum possible to work out their own salvation.

Ruth Quoting:

” Avatars seldom involve into lower worlds than the causal.”

True or False?

There are a lot of avatars that are never seen by humanity so this may be true. Christ himself did not take a physical body 2000 years ago but worked through Jesus from the causal level.

Laurency, just like DK or any other teacher needs to be studied through the light of the soul to discern the truth. Without the light of the soul the student can have truth stare him in the face and not see it.

June 18, 2013

Wrong Number

Since when is asking if a female is cute hateful or being unfaithful to your partner? You really need to lighten up and quit taking a little harmless humor so seriously and quit judging people so negatively. You are not the morality police here.

You may categorize me as being hateful also after you hear this story but my wife thought it was funny.

Some time ago I got a call out of the blue and a female on the other end asked;

“Is this Joe Dewey?”

“Yes,” I said.

“Well, we have some girls waiting here for you.”

“Really,” I said. “What are they waiting for?”

“They are waiting for you to teach them to dance,” she responded.

“Is that so, I responded. “Are they cute?”

“Well, yes, I suppose.”

“In that case, I’ll be right over. What’s the address?”

“Are you sure this is Joe Dewey, the dance instructor who just moved into town?”

“I’m Joe Dewey all right but I’m not a dance instructor and have lived in the area most of my life.”

“Obviously, we have the wrong Joe Dewey,” she said ending the conversation.

As it turned out, another Joe Dewey had just moved into town and I’ve got a number of odd calls for him over the years.

I’ve told this story to a lot of men and women and they all think it is funny. I’ve never had anyone chastise me over it.

Jun 21, 2013

Interesting Gathering Place

June 26, 2013

Possible Collapse

Larry W

JJ said chances are 80% that our economy will hit the skids, fall totally flat so we must survive some other way, within a decade and most of that fat chance is in the next three years while Obama can make policy. If we can somehow survive the Obamanation, then we have maybe a 50/50 chance to survive without our economy going totally flat. The flat thing would mean marshal law and then more breakdown. Very bad. I hope we can get past it.

Glad you are coming to the Gathering Larry. Drive safely. Just to clarify, here are the figures I gave:

The probability of having a collapse of the dollar and the economy in the next ten years – 80%

The probability of it happening during the Obama administration – 50%. He’s human, subject to karma, so his luck could run out.

The probability that a collapse would be so bad that our government would break down for a time and there could be chaos – 25%

The probability that it would be bad like the Great Depression but the country would hold together and work things out – 55%.

So the chances I have of a major breakdown was 25%. The dollar could collapse, lose its status as the world reserve currency but then be replaced by something else that could keep us going.

Jun 26, 2013

True Communication

[John]: “The true principle of communication has been virtually lost because of the illusionary veil cast by the Dark Brothers.”

June 28, 2013

Question on Afterlife

Ruth asked some questions in a post that hasn’t shown up yet. If it doesn’t show up soon you are welcome to post it again, Ruth.

Ruth:

When one physically dies and enters the After Life or Astral realm and he or she is met by “entities” that help them pass over, does a person emotionally and/or consciously “realize/register” that he or she is out of the physical body or has died?

Some realize they are dead and others do not. Those who do not realize they are dead often have strong attachments to the earth sphere and just don’t want to be dead. Atheists who do not believe in an afterlife have a difficult time accepting they are dead. It takes them a while to adjust.

Ruth:

When we are asleep and dreaming, we do not realize that we were in a dream state until we wake up and remember, so if one dies and they are talking to other astral afterlife entities and these beings are helping them to pass over, then are they “registering” this process at some stage or even at all?,

Those who do not realize they have died often live in a dreamlike state for some time and dwell in earth-like habitations thinking they are still alive back on earth. The majority accept the fact the have died and move on to greater learning in the afterlife.

Ruth:

(perhaps in their lower minds), or do they only “feel” particular emotions and cannot really register or remember the emotions or events properly because their brain function is no longer operative at that level?

They register emotions fine because they still have their astral body which is made of emotional matter.

Ruth;

If they no longer have physical eyes and the sight function, then how do they see images in the astral, such as some fantasy life that they wish to play out in that level? With the 3rd eye?

The physical body and all the organs can be duplicated in the astral and they can see out of their astral eyes. There are different types of vision on all the planes. The higher you go the more you can see.

Ruth;

then they would not be able to register their emotions and work through their emotions in the emotional realm.

Their emotional sensitivity is greater than ever in the astral plane, however, making progress is more difficult without the physical body. That is why it is important to work on our faults here.

Ruth:

So are “memories” generated in the astral realm which are also stored in the lower or higher mind consciousness or permanent atoms?

Yes, memories are generated and stored in the permanent atom wherein the conscious attention lies.

Ruth:

Can an astral entity still register emotions via the mental if the brain function no longer exists because they are not 100% in the physical body anymore?

We register the emotions in the astral, not the mental or the brain. When we are alive the feelings are communicated to the physical brain.

Ruth:

When John Edwards “talks to dead people” is he really talking to an astral entity, or is he only tapping into a person’s energy imprint or consciousness and emotions and the astral (dead) person does not know he or she is dead and is talking to John Edwards?

Part of the time these talking-with-the-dead psychics are using mentalist tactics like Simon Baker on the TV show. When they do get real psychic impressions they are usually tuning into the dead person’s frequency and unless he is paying attention the dead person may not realize he is being contacted. Once in a while there is real contact with conscious participation on both sides.

Ruth:

So do they (the mentally polarized) go to the lower mind plane or higher mind plane, depending on their consciousness?

Depends on the state of their evolution. All go to a place where there are people of similar vibration to themselves.

Ruth:

Do they also use their emotions and mind consciousness together in the mental realm? Or only their mind?

The higher has mastery over the lower but the lower has not mastered the higher. Those in the mental plane have astral matter at their disposal and can materialize an astral body at will and visit any part of the astral plane and feel or tune in to any emotion they choose.

Ruth:

Which means they only register thoughts and mental substance, and do they generate new thoughts in that realm or only view the thoughts that they learned in physical life?

They are not limited to what they have thought here but can explore all the new mental territory they desire. They have to do a lot of work to prepare for their next life. Those in the astral and mental planes take on a lot of learning and service projects in their own realm.

Ruth

I think you mentioned that one can still learn in the mental realm, so are Disciples still able to access study from books? or other teachers in this realm and do they still see pictures like in the emotional realm, or can they only register/hear thoughts?

There are libraries similar to those on the physical plane in the lower astral. In the higher worlds they do not use books or even iPads but access knowledge through the power of the mind. They can see the images or merely absorb the impressions that gives them what they want.

Those in the higher realms can communicate by mental telepathy or regular speech if they desire.

Ruth:

It would seem possible that our “Life Principle” would still register Devas and Devic substances in the other realms away from the physical.

The higher you go the more life forms are available for contact.

Ruth:

And something else I want to ask:

DK says :”The Moon chain with the Earth chain formed two units, or two polarities, negative and positive. The point of merging was reached, and the Earth chain absorbed or synthesized the moon chain in the same sense as certain of the schemes will merge until only three will apparently be left. Therefore the Earth chain is essentially dual in its nature, being the sumtotal of a male and a female chain. This is a mystery impossible to elucidate further, but it is dealt with in certain occult books, and hinted at by H. P. B. (S. D., I, Section IX, Vol. I, 176-200)”

A Treatise on Cosmic Fire – Section Two – Div. B – Manas as a Cosmic, Systemic and Human Factor

How come this is a mystery impossible to elucidate further? (Is it because our consciousness has not expanded enough yet?) Or because it has never been done before?

There are a lot of mysteries about the synthesizing of the chains and the complexity was too great to be presented at that time. Male and female and the dualities on earth are much more pronounced here than on many other planets. This is largely due to how we evolved.

Ruth:

Will DK be explaining this in the future in his next series?

If someone asks him about it he probably will.

I was hoping you could expand on this more, I understand the concept of the veil and am aware of it. But I was hoping you could expand metaphysically speaking…as in does it create a ‘fog’ on the astral plane or how does it manifest if it indeed does?

The true principle of communication is from soul to soul which causes the two to understand each other, which leads to ironing out differences and seeing eye to eye.

Have you noticed that when you get in arguments that often it seems the other person doesn’t agree with you because he doesn’t understand what you are saying? I know this happens to me often and it is difficult indeed to reach agreement when the other guy seems not only to misunderstand your point, but is unwilling to understand.

When this happened you wind up spending little time working out the differences and instead attempting to clarify while the other guy argues against illusion, often things you do not think or believe.

The trouble with our language is it is not perfect and those who interpret in black and white, or according to their own illusion, will often understand in error.

The way to correct this is through soul to soul communication. The truism that is used by the masses that best describes this is “reading between the lines.” When one does this he will often see accurately what is being said beyond what is revealed in the black and white words.

For instance a guy may say something he thinks is irreverent but fun humor. The black and white person may see only the words and be insulted. Another may read between the lines and see some good natured humor, or at least the intent.

Real soul to soul communication goes beyond reading between the lines and allows the couple to understand things in the other’s consciousness that has not been spoken at all.

If two people with soul to soul communication disagree on a point then they are able to go back and forth with understanding, and in a friendly way, until they clearly understand where the other is coming from.

The dark brothers cannot flourish where there is soul to soul communication so they do everything possible to discourage it and twist words of light so they appear to be words of darkness. The distortion mostly occurs on the emotional/astral plane where negative feelings turn truth on its head and causes a reverse seeing rather than actual.

The mental plane is also a problem for many have illusionary foundation beliefs that causes great distortion through life.

The trick for the disciple is to seek out his illusionary beliefs and dispel them and then raise his consciousness to the spiritual planes so he can see correctly.

The first step to be taken to create true communication is to sincerely desire to understand what the other person is communicating and sincerely try to accurately communicate with him. Sincerity or a pure heart is always a good first step.

Sarah wants me to explain more clearly the reversal effect of the astral plane and how it works.

First let me emphasize that there are three worlds of form composed of three different types of matter.

The first is the dense physical and this is composed if two basic layers of matter. (1) Physical matter, as science understands the term, and (2) Etheric matter – a finer grade of physical matter that coexists with us.

The next world of form is the astral. Here the matter is composed of finer particles that are manipulated by emotional energy. It is as if this matter and the emotions are one.

The highest world of form is the mental. The particles here are finer still and are governed by mind, thought and mental energy.

Reality in the physical plane is fairly stable and is governed by law. The earth circles around the sun, water is always wet, gravity always pulls us toward the earth etc. The same goes for the mental plane. 2+2 always equals 4, truth is always true, and logic does not contradict itself.

This consistency does not exist on the astral/emotional plane. 2+2 can equal 6 if you feel that is correct. Truth seems to change daily and two things can contradict and still be true if you feel that is right and correct.

For the astral centered person meanings can change from one day to the next. He may think he loves another one day and understands what this is, and the next day he may hate the person and have a totally different view of love and hate.

He attacks not by logic but by emotional tactics. If he is arguing for global warming he will gloss over the facts and attempt to humiliate the opponent by calling him a flat earther, climate change denier or just plain stupid.

He has strong appeal to authority rather than stable facts. Concerning global warming again he will appeal to the false idea that “all scientists agree with me and you are anti science if you do not accept.” The main emphasis of the person on the mental plane will be logic, principles and data.

The problem with emotions is that they change regularly in the astral person. When the astral person is at peace he will see things much differently than when he is angry. Many of his decisions are made by impulse, governed by how he feels at the moment.

It turns out that truth perceived through the eyes of emotion is often upside down to the real truth. A stopped watch though is accurate twice a day and similarly there are times when emotional feelings lead to the right decision, but if totally relied on they more often than not either lead to dead ends or disaster.

Fortunately most of us have some mental energy in circulation but the vast majority have much more astral than mental or spiritual.

Ruth asked some questions in a post that hasnât shown up yet. If it doesnât show up soon you are welcome to post it again, Ruth.

Ruth:

Some realize they are dead and others do not. Those who do not realize they are dead often have strong attachments to the earth sphere and just donât want to be dead. Atheists who do not believe in an afterlife have a difficult time accepting they are dead. It takes them a while to adjust.

Ruth:

They register emotions fine because they still have their astral body which is made of emotional matter.

Ruth;

If they no longer have physical eyes and the sight function, then how do they see images in the astral, such as some fantasy life that they wish to play out in that level? With the 3rd eye?

Ruth;

then they would not be able to register their emotions and work through their emotions in the emotional realm.

Their emotional sensitivity is greater than ever in the astral plane, however, making progress is more difficult without the physical body. That is why it is important to work on our faults here.

Ruth:

So are “memories” generated in the astral realm which are also stored in the lower or higher mind consciousness or permanent atoms?

Yes, memories are generated and stored in the permanent atom wherein the conscious attention lies.

Ruth:

Can an astral entity still register emotions via the mental if the brain function no longer exists because they are not 100% in the physical body anymore?

We register the emotions in the astral, not the mental or the brain. When we are alive the feelings are communicated to the physical brain.

Ruth:

Part of the time these talking-with-the-dead psychics are using mentalist tactics like Simon Baker on the TV show. When they do get real psychic impressions they are usually tuning into the dead personâs frequency and unless he is paying attention the dead person may not realize he is being contacted. Once in a while there is real contact with conscious participation on both sides.

Ruth:

So do they (the mentally polarized) go to the lower mind plane or higher mind plane, depending on their consciousness?

Depends on the state of their evolution. All go to a place where there are people of similar vibration to themselves.

Ruth:

Do they also use their emotions and mind consciousness together in the mental realm? Or only their mind?

Ruth:

Which means they only register thoughts and mental substance, and do they generate new thoughts in that realm or only view the thoughts that they learned in physical life?

Ruth

Those in the higher realms can communicate by mental telepathy or regular speech if they desire.

Ruth:

It would seem possible that our “Life Principle” would still register Devas and Devic substances in the other realms away from the physical.

The higher you go the more life forms are available for contact.

Ruth:

And something else I want to ask:

A Treatise on Cosmic Fire – Section Two – Div. B – Manas as a Cosmic, Systemic and Human Factor

How come this is a mystery impossible to elucidate further? (Is it because our consciousness has not expanded enough yet?) Or because it has never been done before?

Ruth:

Will DK be explaining this in the future in his next series?

If someone asks him about it he probably will.

July 2, 2013

What You Can Do

Here lately I seem to have a lot of people asking me what they can do to help. I usually give the same answer over and over which is to start a local group.

The problem with this is many do not feel confident to be able to do this so I will offer further suggestions.

If you do not feel like starting a group yet, then go to meetup.com and check out the metaphysical/new age groups in your area. Join one or two of the successful ones and attend some meetings.

This will give you a chance to comment on my teachings within the established groups. You can also pass out the free book ones of the Immortal which I am willing to send you.

The second thing this will do for you is to give you ideas as to how to run a group and keep hem interested.

July 3, 2013

Walk Ins

Sarah asks – is there a change in the personality ‘vehicle’ when this (a walkin) happens? I have read it can take many years–like 10–for the new soul to adjust.

First, let me say that real walkins are fairly rare. It is only used when there is no other way to accomplish a mission.

Yes, there is an adjustment that must be made. The walkin assumes the memories in the borrowed body and assumes that he is native to it. After he adjusts he will change in the direction of his own self-identity and will pick up the mission he is to accomplish.

He makes most of his adjustments over a couple months but continues in minor adjustments for some time after this.

Lobsang Rampa wrote about his experience as a walkin in the story of his life, which is quite interesting. You can read the book here:

July 4, 2013

Nutation

Rick wrote:

In the Lemurian Fellowship and it’s spin-off, the Stelle Group, they teach that, as we move up through the planes of existence, the matter found is not different in size, but rather in the speed of nutation (wobble)

This nutational wobble teaching published in a book by the Stelle group founder Richard Kieninger is one of the more interesting teachings presented by anything outside of the Bailey books.

Like all teachers though we have to examine all doctrine based on its merit, especially if the person is not an earned authority. For instance, Richard made a lot of predictions that were supposed to come down the pike from the same source that taught him about the principles of matter and virtually none of them came to pass.

Even so, this nutational teaching does have some merit. The teaching goes like this.

The motion that exists in our solar system has correspondences in the atom. These motions are:

(1) Orbits. Just like planets circle around the sun even so are there various orbits within an atom – an acknowledged one is the electrons circling the nucleus.

(2) Spin. Just as the earth and other planets spin around (24 hours for an earth day) even so do sub atomic particles spin on their axis.

(3) Wobble or nutation. Just as planets like the earth have a wobble. It has several cycles of wobbles – the most notable one takes 26,000 years to complete which compares to the cycle of the twelve signs of the Zodiac. Richard teaches that subatomic particles has a corresponding wobble. He quotes his teacher as saying:

“Every subatomic particle spins about its own internal axis, and nutation refers to a wobble of the axis of rotation. Each particle in the physical universe experiences a nutation period of precisely the same rate.”

Now if we view the planets as large particles this can be proven to be untrue as each planet has a different rate of wobble and differing cycles. Our earth wobble is effected by the gravity of the sun, the moon Jupiter and Saturn. Mars has a different amount of gravitational influence from the various celestial objects and thus has a differing wobble.

Now if we apply the Law of Correspondences we would expect atoms of differing structures to have different wobbles. For instance, the earth would have very little wobble if it was the only planet circling the sun. The more planets there are in a solar system the greater will be the wobble effect. Correspondingly we would expect the hydrogen atom with one electron to have less wobble than a carbon atom with twelve electrons.

He goes on to say that the nutation, or wobble, in the higher planes (from the etheric on up) moves at a greater speed – the etheric faster than the physical, the astral faster than the etheric and so on. He says that because of these different wobbles the matter on the various planes coexists, fairly unaware of each other and pass through each other. The various atoms exist in approximately the same space.

Here are my conclusions:

(1) The atoms and subatomic particles in physical matter do have a wobble but I doubt that all wobbles are equal.

(2) It is logical that the higher states of matter also have a wobble and at a faster rate.

(3) It is possible that the different wobble rates account for part of the reason that the different planes co-exist, yet are separate, but I do not see this as the full reason. I see the main reason for the differing planes as differing wavelengths, which is the basis for creation itself.

Are the atoms of the various planes the same size? I do not know for sure but would suppose they are approximately so. One thing we do know is the atoms of the higher planes are much more malleable and much easier to direct with mental or emotional energy. Atoms here can last billions of years but it is quite possible they can be created or dissolved a will in the higher planes.

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