
War in the Council Chamber
Question: You say that the Kumaras spent millions of years establishing Shamballa before the first self-conscious human appeared. Was there some war going on in that time?
DK briefly touched on the fall of Lucifer stating that there has not always been peace among the members of Shamballa. He said:
“Again, in the council chamber of the Most High, there has not always been peace and understanding, but at times, war and disruption; this is made abundantly clear by several of the stories in the Old Testament. Symbolically speaking, some of the sons of God fell from their high estate, led, at one time, by “Lucifer, Son of the Morning”. This “fall of the angels” was a tremendous event in the history of our planet, but was nevertheless only a passing and interesting phenomenon in the history of the solar system, and a trifling incident in the affairs of the seven constellations, of which our solar system is but one.” Esoteric Psychology, Vol 1, pages 394-5
I would suppose that this event took place before the first self-conscious human.
Before the manifestation of the human kingdom there was a lot of preparations to be made. The higher lives not only work with humans but all the kingdoms – the mineral, the vegetable and the animal. A number of higher lives are dedicated to assisting these kingdoms in their advancement as well as conditioning them to serve the human kingdom.
Before humanity could manifest they had to build Shamballa which was no small task. Then they had to harmonize with the spirit of the earth itself and adjust all vibration to receive from the Solar Logos and commune with the Seven Sacred planetary Logoi.
They watched humanity to determine how they could assist them and Sanat determined that their progress was painfully slow and decided to help by stimulating their minds by incarnating among them. This was risky and contrary to normal protocol. We still do not know for sure if the gamble will pay off with us blowing ourselves out of existence or a glorious end. The odds are in our favor but disciples must do their part.
Question: You say the Jews are an ancient race. Where do they fit in?
DK hints that the Jews were here before Shamballa, but is not clear on when they arrived on earth. He does say this:
“The Jews are found in every land without exception, that their influence is potent and widespread (far more so than they themselves are willing to recognise), and that they wield most potently that peculiar concretisation of energy which we call money. They constitute, in a strange manner, a unique and distinctly separated world centre of energy. The reason for this is that they represent the energy and the life of the previous solar system. You have often been told how, at the close of this solar system, a certain percentage of the human family will fail to make the grade and will then be held in pralaya, or in solution, until the time for the manifestation of the next and third solar system comes around. Then they will constitute the advanced guard and the symbol of the coming humanity of that system. The same thing occurred in the system before this one and those whom we now call the Jews (a purely modern name and distinction, as I tried to show in the last few pages of A Treatise on the Seven Rays, Vol. I, Esoteric Psychology), are the descendants of that earlier group which was held in pralaya between the first and second solar systems. If you will remember that the third ray governed that system and also governs the Jewish race, if you bear in mind that that system was occupied with the divine aspects of matter only and with external conditions, and that the Jews were the highest product of that system you can come to an understanding of the Jew, his separateness, his desire for racial purity and his interest in that which is commercial and tangible.” Externalization of the Hierarchy, Pages 76-77
Question: Who then, is the [Lucifer] Angel that Fell into matter, if not the Ancient of Days?
The Lucifer who fell was of the Kumaras from Venus. Actually it was not one, but two:
“The student who seeks the significance of the preponderance of orange and of rose is approaching the secret of the two Kumaras Who fell.” TCF, Page 824
The reader was curious where the moon chain fit in. Here’s a couple statements DK made about it.
“a large number of the present more advanced human beings came into incarnation in the middle of the Atlantean root-race.” Initiation, Human and Solar Pg 45
“As stated in various occult books, many of the present advanced humanity individualized on the moon chain, and only took physical bodies in the earth chain during the fourth root-race [Atlantis] , thus escaping incarnation during the first three rounds, and the first two races of the fourth round.” Treatise on Cosmic Fire Pg 364-5
Question: Why wasn’t there right Master relations in the Most High Council Chamber to begin with, if they expect us humans to have right human relations?
JJ The key is to understand that good and evil on a lower level is much different than on a higher level.
A good in the eyes of a lion is to eat a human if he crosses his path. In the human kingdom eating a human is considered a great evil.
Now let us look at the human kingdom itself as it has progressed. A couple thousand years ago it was considered good to possess a lot of slaves and use them to your advantage.
Today this would be considered a great evil. What has happened is that which was evil has been moved up a couple notches. There is still slavery today, but it is not so obvious.
The slavery today is manifest in taxation. If you count all taxes, the average taxpayer pays over 50% of his income to Big Brother and he is saddled with many unnecessary laws, rules and regulations.
The good and evil of freedom and slavery is still with us but has moved to a higher level.
Even so, it is with the Masters and higher lives.
What is right human relations to them is different than it is to us. Just as we are attempting to move the good and evil of our relationships up a notch so are other lives up the chain. But the problems they have in relationships are much different than ours and the average human would have no idea as to how to deal with or understand that which may be considered a problem for them.
Probably one of the reasons DK never elaborated on the disagreement in Shamballa is that it would be difficult for us to understand the source and the solution to the problem.
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. – Sun Tzu
April 28, 2013
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So what is the evidence for all this? Is it just more vibes that you attribute to the soul?
> The slavery today is manifest in taxation. If you count all taxes, the average taxpayer pays over 50% of his income to Big Brother and he is saddled with many unnecessary laws, rules and regulations.
If you stretch the figures on taxes, you might be able to arrive at that 50% for some people, but not for the average person. In any case, that is not on the same spectrum as slavery. Taxpayers are not forced to work against their will. Slaves are. Real modern slavery is in places like the Angola prison in Louisiana, not privileged white racists complaining about having a taxable income. It’s pretty insulting that you would even make such a comparison.
If we include all hidden taxes including inflation many have come up with greater than 50% for the average federal taxpayer.
https://www.ipi.org/ipi_issues/detail/hidden-taxes-how-much-do-you-really-pay
According to some right wing rag, so it’s safe to assume that’s bullshit.