2000-4-5 11:26:00

Zina is certainly far from being causeless here to bring up this old subject of oneness and cause and effect again. Perhaps it has been too peaceful for some here lately; the old timers all know that this subject has always caused heated discussions. If it weren't for the newcomers I would probably ignore this subject as I have already written a book on it in the archives, but I suppose I could make some new comments.

About the body blinking 14 times a second? I do not know where you read this Zina, but I am sure that no real scientist believes this, and I am quite sure that you cannot produce any evidence of this idea.

A regular camera has a shutter speed of one/one thousandth of a second and some high speed ones go up to 1/10,000's of a second and still the solid form is photographed. Never, not once in millions of photographs, has this void you speak of been photographed.

Rick and John covered this quite well. If there is any blinking at all it would be less than a trillionth of a second, much less. And even if there is blinking this does not eliminate cause and effect. The blinking itself would be an effect of some cause.

It is true as you say that matter is mostly empty space and what appears to be not empty is composed of wavelengths. But the wavelengths that create all form are the effect of some cause.

Spirit is merely matter of a higher vibration and matter is Spirit at low vibration. Both are subject to cause and effect. Spirit causes impregnation of matter and effects life.

I agree with Craig that cause and effect is eternal. There never was a time when they did not exist. It is said by many that God is a first cause, but the truth may be the other way around. God may be an effect of the eternal interplay of cause and effect.

Einstein's special theory of relativity does not negate cause and effect. Let us suppose Einstein's theory is correct (I believe we will make corrections to it when we develop interstellar flight).

If we approach the speed of light we merely introduce a new cause that creates a new effect on time. Cause and effect are not negated, but used.

I'm glad to see Glenys' posting some of my writings on this subject for review. I notice a challenge I made in that previous post she quoted which reads:

"I can show you billions of examples of karma (cause and effect). But can you show me even one example of anything that is real that creates no cause and effect? It takes a tremendous leap of faith to believe so strongly in that for which no example can be given. Why would someone believe in a place (Harry) beyond cause and effect if such a place cannot be demonstrated internally or externally??? You can, in deep meditation, attempt to withdraw into perfect stillness, but even this meditation (cause) has the effect of peace or stillness of thought."

I issued this challenge some time ago and no one has taken me up on it. Many come forth claiming that there are things that transcend cause and effect, yet can offer no example or teach the rest of us how to attain this place or witness. If one is to teach about Harry he should be prepared to show us Harry, or at least a method of proving Harry to ourselves.

This teaching of transcending cause reminds me of the Church's teaching of an Unknown God beyond our understanding causing its members to cease thinking and just blindly follow.