2000-4-4 17:43:00
Maryellen comments:
"I agree that time is collapsing and that there is much less time between cause and effect or karma. But even if the time gets so short that there is only thought and instant manifestation isn't that still cause and effect? There can be no manifestation without the idea first, right?? Just wondering if I got the concept you are trying to explain correctly!!"
JJ:
Your thinking is sound here Maryellen. Without cause and effect what do we have? Nothingness. Not much to get excited about or look forward to.
In almost every post Zina tells us of something that brings joy into her life and the interesting thing is that all these things are related to cause and effect. I've never heard anyone on or off this list ever tell me something like this:
"I've had a great time today in the void of nothingness." In fact such a statement would be an oxymoron because there is no time or consciousness in the void.
In her last post on this subject Zina mentions that:
(1) Had a great time in chat rooms
(2) Enjoys her dream state
(3) Saw a magnificent rainbow
These are all enjoyments from cause and effect.
I would say that if all of Zina's enjoyments as well as the rest of us come from cause and effect, that we are much too identified with duality to even consider any immediate departure. Any release from cause and effect is pure theory that has never been demonstrated much less explained in any reasonable way.
If it were possible to escape cause and effect for even a moment you would disappear, body mind and soul from this reality, and the world would be as if you had never existed. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but this path has no interest for me.
I suggest that we keep in touch with the reality of cause and effect to the extent that we can at least appreciate Zina's rainbow.
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