Gathering 2005 -- Sun Valley, Part 42

2010-1-30 04:22:00

Wayne:  "On the cross where He, in His last desperation said, 'Father, why hast thou forsaken me?' Does that mean that the entity was not on the cross with Him?"

JJ:  Right. On the cross, the entity had completed what he had to do so he left and Jesus was there alone on the cross.

  

Audience:  "In the Garden?"

JJ:  No, The Master was still there with him in the Garden.

  

Audience:  "Then why did he need angels?"

JJ:  Because he was weak. It doesn't matter if the Christ was in him or not, we all have limitations. Every situation we face has limitations. We'll cover that in a minute.

  

Audience:  "When he went into the desert for forty days then the Dark Brother came, is it possible that was necessary so that he could balance out the energies between the Father energy and the Dark Brother?"

JJ:  Every encounter we have with resisting forces is a necessary step. We can't make solid progress until all the flaws are taken care of so those temptations pretty much had to happen. It's interesting as it ends it says, 'Satan left him for a time.' Meaning He probably had other encounters and other encounters may be recorded in the Bible. Some people think maybe it was on the cross when He was complaining that the Father had forsaken Him or maybe it was in the Garden where He was asking for the cup to be removed. It says He left him for a time so apparently He had other encounters and probably a lot of them we don't even know about.

  

Audience:  "Is there such a thing as multiple overshadowings?"

JJ:  It depends on the type and intensity. The oneness principle comes from a type of overshadowing. Your question will be more fully answered as we move along. In Jesus' case there were two entities in one body. There is the Master Jesus who is the reincarnation of Joshua. Then there was the Christ who was Melchizidek from the Bible. It's also said he was Krishna from ancient times.

  

Audience:  "When the disciples were with him they personally went out and healed but he said to them when he left that he was going to send the Holy Spirit to be with them and it would be with them and it would teach them and be their comforter and it would lead them and guide them in all things. Now, I'm thinking you said that Peter also had the Christ in him. What about the rest of them? Was it only a temporary thing? I'm having a hard time understanding if an overshadowing is for just a period of time like they overshadowed Mary."

JJ:  An overshadowing is just for a period of time. It's like if you are a teacher and you want to help a student and you visit him on a personal level for a period of time to give him a little boost. That kind of corresponds to an overshadowing (Divine Possession). It's a temporary thing.

  

Audience:  "Is it possible though that the Holy Spirit can be with you at all times and you know it?"

JJ:  The Holy Spirit is a different entity and is more of a universal entity that overshadows all of us. It's up to us to touch that Holy Spirit, to break through the veils and commune with it.

  

Audience:  "When you're talking about the Christ Spirit...."

JJ:  The Christ Spirit and the Holy Spirit are two separate things.

  

Audience:  "But when Jesus was baptized the dove was the sign of the Holy Spirit."

JJ:  It was a sign of the Son of God. It doesn't say it was the Holy Spirit. The dove was the sign of the Spirit of God, it says it entered into Jesus.

  

Audience:  "Is what you're saying about Jesus, is it the same as a walk-in?"

JJ:  It's different than a walk-in. A walk-in is where a fairly high evolved being that doesn't have to be a Master will come and find somebody on the Earth who is discouraged with his life and he'll make a deal with him to switch positions. So, he may come to Ron here and Ron is discouraged and he says, "Well, Ron, since you're not enjoying your life anyway, how about if we trade? You can create some good karma for yourself because this trade is going to produce some good works upon the Earth that I'm going to do."

So, he makes the trade and they're both happy with the deal and the guy goes off into the next world in a good state of mind and the disciple comes in and has the opportunity to be fully mature without having to be born as a baby and waste all those years growing up. He spends time doing his work. Sometimes a walk-in will do great work. Other times he'll forget because he takes the memory of the person whose body he occupies.

Divine possession is much different. It's with a Master, and the Master knows who he is and doesn't lose any of his memory. From an overshadowing he will give impressions to the disciple. If it's a divine possession they'll actually work together in the same body and cooperate together. But the Master has his full memory and knows who he is and what his powers are and why he came. The person who is the walk-in will forget who he was just like when we're born. I believe Abraham Lincoln was one of the more famous walk-ins. It wasn't a Master but it was a fairly high disciple that came.

Before the walk-in Abraham Lincoln never did anything successful. He was kind of bummed out about his life and had a nagging wife that was bugging the dickens out of him. Matter of fact he was always taking off and working away from home to get away from her. That was one of the things that opened the door to him becoming President because he made so many friends all over Illinois because he was always on his horse out there doing work on the circuit.

So the divine possession produced a link between heaven and earth. The difference between twelve people or twenty four people or a molecular number of people appearing on the earth and a regular organization and what Jesus put together is that there was a link between heaven and earth with the apostles. That link produces spiritual flow. You may ask, 'Where does the link end?" Well, the link doesn't end with Christ. Christ, on the other side, has a molecular order that is generated with the Masters. These Masters are connected with a molecular order in Shamballa, with the Ancient of Days [See Daniel 7.]. That molecule is a molecule of seven. There are seven great avatars that came here from other systems.

Originally Sanat Kumara [Ancient Of Days] came here from the higher spheres of Venus. He didn't come here from the physical Venus but he came from the higher sphere of Venus. Each planet has a number of different spheres. We have an astral Earth which is almost a complete duplicate of this Earth. Then we have an Earth on the mental level, so to speak.