The Fall

2009-4-14 06:07:00

Dan, quoting JJ from a previous article, wrote:

"Sex had little to do with the fall, but was a natural evolution of human descent into matter. The choosing of matter over spirit was the cause -- which could include wrong use of sex."

Dan:

"Are you saying 'the fall' could have been avoided? I have always associated 'the fall' with the INVOLUTION process of the Theosophists and that it was all pretty much 'part of the plan.'"

JJ:

What the Theosophists say is true but they do not give the full picture. Matter does fall and rise through the seven globes but life itself does not always fall with the matter. The story of Adam and Eve relate a time when the lowest globe was in the process of creation and the two creations co-existed. Adam could partake of all the spiritual ethers and he would not lower his vibration and fall. But if he were to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or physical food his will and vibration would be effected and he would descend to deal with hostile physical reality.

Dan:

"Are you saying we actually DID "screw up" (fall) by choosing to incarnate into matter (physical) and are thereby "born in sin" as the fundamentalists teach?"

JJ:

Yes and no. The further the descent the greater the knowledge and wisdom to gain, but also the greater the risk. Other planets, such as Venus, does not have fallen man upon it as we do, but the life there exists in the higher ethers. The life on Venus only fell to the third ether, counting from the top.

We are not born in sin as the Fundamentalists teach, but we are born out of harmony with our true nature.

Dan:

"If we screwed up, then there must be OTHER ways to master the physical without entering it directly? Or is there only need for physical NOW because us nitwits screwed up and we only NEED it NOW in order to 'get back home'?

"Or what?"

JJ:

There are seven ethers that constitute the entire spectrum of the physical. All life falls to ethers, but not to the dense physical. There is no way to master the dense physical without making the full descent, but many lives to not wish to make the plunge. Just like in this life not everyone wants to learn to deep sea dive or ski but if you master them there is quite an experience and ability to be gained.

Here is an interesting quote from The Aquarian Gospel on the Fall:

Chapter 32

¹⁷ "And backward through the ages master minds can trace themselves; and thus they know.

¹⁸ "Time never was when man was not.

¹⁹ "That which begins will have an end. If man was not, the time will come when he will not exist.

²⁰ "From God's own Record Book we read: The Triune God breathed forth, and seven Spirits stood before his face. (The Hebrews call these seven Spirits, Elohim.)

²¹ "And these are they who, in their boundless power, created everything that is, or was.

²² "These Spirits of the Triune God moved on the face of boundless space and seven ethers were, and every ether had its form of life.

²³ "These forms of life were but the thoughts of God, clothed in the substance of their ether planes.

²⁴ "(Men call these ether planes the planes of protoplast, of earth, of plant, of beast, of man, of angel and of cherubim.)

²⁵ "These planes with all their teeming thoughts of God, are never seen by eyes of man in flesh; they are composed of substance far too fine for fleshy eyes to see, and still they constitute the soul of things;

²⁶ "And with the eyes of soul all creatures see these ether planes, and all forms of life.

²⁷ "Because all forms of life on every plane are thoughts of God, all creatures think, and every creature is possessed of will, and, in its measure, has the power to choose,

²⁸ "And in their native planes all creatures are supplied with nourishment from the ethers of their planes.

²⁹ "And so it was with every living thing until the will became a sluggish will, and then the ethers of the protoplast, the earth, the plant, the beast, the man, began to vibrate very slow.

³⁰ "The ethers all became more dense, and all the creatures of these planes were clothed with coarser garbs, the garbs of flesh, which men can see; and thus this coarser manifest, which men call physical, appeared.

³¹ "And this is what is called the fall of man; but man fell not alone for protoplast, and earth, and plant and beast were all included in the fall.

³² "The angels and the cherubim fell not; their wills were ever strong, and so they held the ethers of their planes in harmony with God.

³³ "Now, when the ethers reached the rate of atmosphere, and all the creatures of these planes must get their food from atmosphere, the conflict came; and that which the finite man has called, survival of the best, became the law,

³⁴ "The stronger ate the bodies of the weaker manifests; and here is where the carnal law of evolution had its rise.

³⁵ "And now man, in his utter shamelessness, strikes down and eats the beasts, the beast consumes the plant, the plant thrives on the earth, the earth absorbs the protoplast.

³⁶ "In yonder kingdom of the soul this carnal evolution is not known, and the great work of master minds is to restore the heritage of man, to bring him back to his estate that he has lost, when he again will live upon the ethers of his native plane.

³⁷ "The thoughts of God change not; the manifests of life on every plane unfold into perfection of their kind; and as the thoughts of God can never die, there is no death to any being of the seven ethers of the seven Spirits of the Triune God.

³⁸ "And so an earth is never plant; a beast, or bird, or creeping thing is never man, and man is not, and cannot be, a beast, or bird, or creeping thing.

³⁹ "The time will come when all these seven manifests will be absorbed, and man, and beast, and plant, and earth and protoplast will be redeemed.

[End of quoted material from "The Aquarian Gospel."]

"We are rich only through what we give, and poor only through what we refuse."
-- Anne-Sophie Swetchine