The Soul's Proof

2009-1-13 05:43:00

Here again is the statement that came to me:

"Without someone to see them; there would be no stars."

If God could not see the stars and appreciate them, he would not have created them.

This principle may seem self obvious and very simple yet there are many who must not believe it for they do not accept the reality behind it.

Question:

How does this truism refute the logic of the atheists and agnostics?

Here's a good observation about atheists made by a student:

"Since I have come upon the teachings here, the one thing that I personally have found to be interesting about the positions of those that call and/or consider themselves to be atheists is that it appears (to me) that the main flaw in their logic is that they use the definition of "god" that orthodox religionists use. And when I have listened to (or read) them, the thought that rises in my mind is that it makes sense that they would come to that conclusion, and will continue to as long as they use the traditional and/or orthodox definition."

JJ:

This is a good point. Quite often I have seen some Christian arguing with an atheist in the media and the atheist makes fun of the God on the throne idea. The believer then responds with orthodox arguments leaving the audience with the conclusion he does accept an anthropomorphic God who sits on a throne.

This distraction causes those on the fence to not take his argument seriously.

The funny thing about this belief is that most Christian religions do not believe that God is in physical form on a throne. Instead they believe he is a spirit that is everywhere and make fun of Mormons who do believe that God is in the form of a man.

It is somewhat humorous that orthodox Christians are attacked for believing in a Mormon type of God and they do not defend themselves by clarifying their belief.

And why do they not do this? Most likely because in reality they are not sure what God is, except that he is a mystery and cannot explain Him themselves.

On the other hand, the idea that God is a great life that is a composite of all other lives in the universe has some logic to it that could appeal to some non believers. We can see, for instance, that we, as humans, are lives composed of billions of smaller lives. We also see that groups, cities, states, countries, etc., seem to have a greater life and character of their own. By extension then a composite God that is evolving Itself through the Universe is much more logical than some outer being that just snapped His fingers and made everything instantly appear.

The most amazing proof trough that a Creator exists is that anything exists at all. If there was no God then there would be nothing at all -- not even a speck of dust existing anywhere in the universe. In fact, there would be no universe, no time, no space, and no life.

I was contemplating the thinking of an atheist when the phrase under discussion came into my mind and when I reflected upon it I saw proof for God in a way I had never considered before. The standard proof given is to point out how improbable that random chance could create complicated things like the atom, a cell, a human body, etc.

But this statement takes an entirely different slant. It presents the idea that anything that exists in form does so because some intelligence conceived it, created it and then sees and appreciates his work.

Just stating this principle will not convince many atheists, as LWK pointed out, but when one contemplates it with even a glimmer of light from the soul the truth will become self evident.

It's a little like the statement "the truth shall make you free." Such a statement is difficult to prove in black-and-white, but almost all who contemplate this will sense that it is profound and has truth incorporated within it.

"Without someone to see them; there would be no stars."

This is a similar statement that teaches such a basic reality that many will sense truth is there even though it cannot be empirically proven.

Creation is impossible unless there is a creator and creators come forth for the joy of seeing their work through to the finish and being appreciated by other living beings.