2009-1-12 05:35:00
Good feedback my friends. Dan said it well when he stated:
"Stars would not exist period if such a consciousness (perceiving entity) did not exist to 'manifest' them."
Jarek spoke profoundly when he said:
"If there was no one to see them, then there would be no purpose in creating them in the first place."
JJ:
Everything in the universe exists not for the sake of its own, but for good of the whole, so lets say that seeing them benefits somehow (and it does), then we can write this statement as:
"Without someone to benefit from them; there would be no stars."
Following the principle we could also write for example:
"Without someone to experience it; there would be no kingdom of God."
Dennis said:
"Without someone or something to create them, they and we would not exist."
JJ:
These thoughts take us in the direction I want to pursue, but there were other good comments giving other interpretations.
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it there is still a tree that falls and sound waves are given off. However, neither the tree or the stars would have not been created in the first placed if conscious life was not available to see and appreciate it. Nothing would have been created and the universe itself would not exist if conscious life was not available to see and appreciate them.
DaVinci would have not painted the Mona Lisa unless he and others could later step back and appreciate the creation.
Even so, the stars would not exist if there was no life available to see, use and appreciate them.
You, I and the consciousness that is in us assisted in making stars, planets, animals, atoms, quarks, etc. We were motivated to create things of beauty and perfection, so we could stand back and look upon them as God did after making the stars when the scripture says "and God saw that it was good." (Gen 1:18)
If God could not see the stars and appreciate them he would not have created them.
This principle may seem self obvious and very simple yet there are many who must not believe it for they do not accept the reality behind it.
Question:
How does this truism refute the logic of the atheists and agnostics?
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