Who's Who?

2008-12-28 18:52:00

Laurie writes:

"The advanced race the Native Americans call the Ancient ones from Sirius? This really interests me because I've had dreams about something called the Sirius project and the more evolved beings from Sirius returning to this planet to teach, and that they have been working to get physical bodies here on earth to the point where they can hold their intelligence. I really need to do some meditating on this and write what ever comes."

JJ:

In the order of hierarchies the Blue Lodge on Sirius is of a higher order than this system. DK [Djwhal Khul] tells us that after reigning on the earth for 1000 years in the office of the Christ it will be taken over by Master KH [Koot Hoomi] and our Christ will go to Sirius to complete his higher initiations and then return in another age as a "cosmic Christ."

You are right that we do have a strong connection with Sirius and they do send avatars to this system to assist us from the higher planes though I do not know of them directly incarnating as of yet. It is quite possible that some of the Kumaras, or archangels, are originally from Sirius.

  

Paul writes:

"Since I had never heard of Sanat Kumara maybe I was hoping that the sites I did get would all agree. But alas.... wishful thinking!"

JJ:

If you go to the various websites claiming to speak the truth of Jesus you will also got a strange variety of claims and misinformation. Outside of personal revelation you have to use sources that have been proven to be authoritative.

First, I wouldn't trust anyone who claims to be channeling the Ancient of Days [AOD] or Sanat Kumara.

The most authoritative source as far as I am concerned are the Alice A. Bailey writings. A second source that is generally reliable are the Theosophical writings. Many of these are good, but not 100% accurate and need to be read with a discerning eye.

  

Paul attempts to summarize:

"Josuha, who was with Moses, re-incarnated as Jesus."

JJ:

OK so far.

  

Paul:

"Christ incarnates as Melchizedek, and the AOD overshadows Melchizedek?"

JJ:

Yes. This is why it is written that he was without father or mother [See Hebrews 7:2-4.]. The Ancient of Days was not born as Melchizedek.

  

Paul:

"Then Joshua re-incarnated as Jesus, and the Christ overshawdows Jesus."

JJ:

Yes.

  

Paul:

"The Christ has not overshadowed anyone since Jesus?"

JJ:

There are different degrees of overshadowing and the Christ has overshadowed various disciples over the centuries. One with which you are familiar was Winston Churchill.

  

Paul:

"The Christ has not re-incarnated since Melchizedek?"

JJ:

He has had many incarnations over the history of the planet but none we know of in recent times as he has been working through others by spiritual means. We know he was also Krishna of Hindu fame and as a Mormon you might find it interesting that legend says he had 16,000 wives. Actually the only authoritative source we have from him is the Bhagavad Gita.

  

Paul:

"But Jesus has been re-incarnated since but we don't know into who?"

JJ:

Yes, Jesus has been busy in and out of incarnation, but we do not have all the details. I believe he overshadowed Joseph Smith -- at least for a time -- and in more recent times Pope Paul I in an attempt to reform the Catholic Church. Unfortunately the plan was frustrated and Pope Paul I was killed after 33 days in office.

  

Paul:

"So there have been claims in history by men that say they are the re-incarnated Jesus? Have there been claims in history by men that say they are the re-incarnated Christ?"

JJ:

There are all kinds of claims -- most of them false. I just posted a letter the other day from a guy who claims to be the Second Coming of Christ.

  

Paul:

"Now, AOD was incarnated into the first Adam 20 some million years ago? Now, Michael the Archangel was incarnated into the last Adam some 6000 years ago?"

JJ:

Sanat Kumara incarnated as the first man around 18 million years ago.

I haven't any definite proof that Michael was either Melchizedek or Sanat Kumara. Most likely he is one of the Kumaras in Sanat's inner molecule.

H. P. Blavatsky gives the names of these entities as follows:   The Exoteric four are; Sanat-Kumara, Sananda, Sanaka, and Sanatana; and the esoteric three are; Sana, Kapila, and Sanat-sujata.

She associates Sanaka with Michael, the archangel, representative of the Logos of Saturn -- quite possibly the spokesman for Jehovah who spoke to Moses.

  

Paul:

"Now, Gabriel the Archangel was incarnated as Noah, as in the Flood Noah."

JJ:

That is the Mormon tradition, but not verified anywhere else I know of.

  

Paul:

"Is there any other important incarnations or re-incarnations that I should know and understand?"

JJ:

More important than getting these type of details is the understanding of principles. You will loose data from life to life but the intelligence acquired through the understanding of principles will go with you to the next life and prove very useful.

  

Paul:

"So this means that Christ and the AOD shared the same body in a person called Melchizedek? And then Jesus and Christ shared the same body in a person called Jesus."

JJ:

Correct.

  

Paul:

"And when Christ left Jesus at the cross -- It was Christ that Jesus was referring to as Father. And so in the Garden of Gethsemane, Christ was praying to AOD? or was that Jesus praying to the Christ?"

JJ:

Both Jesus and the Christ were united in petitioning their "Father."

Neither were thinking of a specific person to which they were linked but sent their consciousness up the line to the highest link to God that would respond.

Jesus wanted to avoid the crucifixion and stay on and build The Kingdom of God. The Christ was overwhelmed by the karma of the world, which seemed to rest upon his shoulders. In the midst of this point of darkness Jesus received a sure knowledge that the cross was essential, and the Christ established a thread of intelligence, linking Shamballa (where dwells Sanat Kumara) with the earth and a vision that this link would eventually dispel all darkness.

In this way he saved the planet from sin or error. However this salvation occurs for the planet over a fairly long period of time.