2008-8-18 15:53:00
Dawn continues with:
You are lying, dear. On your site you mention, 'It was Garrett to start the theory of interpreting the beast or antichrist with astrology.'"
JJ:
It looks like there was a Garrett Ward on the list ten years ago that made a few comments on astrology. Excuse me for not remembering all the thousands here that have come and gone. I thought you must have found him on some other website for you made it sound like he was a major teacher. Not recalling something is a far cry from telling a lie. What were you -- a Pharisee in a past life to be so condemning?
I did a search for the quote you made above and it does not come up. Does that mean you are lying? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you made a mistake rather than are lying to us.
Dawn:
"I can get you MANY scriptures on how God condemns astrology...that is not an issue whatsoever."
JJ:
And I have covered these in my treatise Astrology and the Bible. Read it and weep.
Dawn:
"You knew what I was saying about Isaiah he said not to fear the gibberish speakings of the astrologers and that the fire would burn them up."
JJ:
Rather than being nebulous you should give references to your scriptures so we can see what you are talking about.
Dawn:
"I thought you used to be Mormon?
"Boy, you have had some issues. There is no angel moroni, he does not exist!"
JJ:
Maybe you do not exist either. Maybe we are just imagining you.
Dawn:
"Jehovah Witness's are not scripturally accurate. They think we are going to live down here with God. I do that to pull them from false teachings, and it has worked."
JJ:
So you condemn sincere Jehovah Witnesses who worship God even though you say it is wrong to condemn Christians who worship God? Again the "H word" comes to mind.
From what I have heard from you so far I'd say the Jehovah Witnesses are closer to the truth than you are and I do not think they are that close.
Dawn:
"And the Bible is clear sometimes you need to publicly do that, it is called publicly remand, this way this helps them to stop."
JJ:
That is what the Jehovah Witnesses say.
Dawn:
"They also argue about the rapture, amongst many issues, many, many issues, they are being taught by heretics who do not listen to the Laws of God."
JJ:
And you are not a heretic? You go against the Bible and say the stars are not for signs.
Dawn:
"You make fun of the religious because we speak of laws."
JJ:
Could you give me a quote on this?
Dawn:
"To admire what God has made to look at is different. You mentioned about the stars in the scriptures, but they are not placed there to try to interpret the future. They are there to look at and say, 'wow is that pretty, thank you making such beauty.'"
JJ:
First you are at a disadvantage here because you have not read what I have written on astrology. I have said you cannot accurately decipher the details of the future by the use of astrology, but the stars are "given for signs" as the Bible says.
Do you only believe parts of the Bible that goes along with your preconceived notions? The Magi were astrologers from the East who recognized the Messiah because of such astrological signs.
Dawn:
"Most of the time people like you and 'Garrett Ward' who make fun of the 'religious' are what is called 'goats'."
JJ:
Extremely judgmental here -- like a Pharisee.
Dawn:
"If you do not believe me, then do not visit my site for real accurate prophecies. You mentioned my site. Why bother going if you do not believe me?"
JJ:
That's a silly statement. I could ask you, why you are here unless you are going to believe me?
Dawn:
"I only went to your other site the twice to get the goods and info on the both of you, that was all. Not to learn anything, but to figure out how this new age teaching stuff filtered into the church of God, because as I was prophesying about the beast through the holy spirit of God.
"Next thing you know Garrett's false teachings land on my chain on Bible prophecy on Yahoo."
JJ:
You've just stated your major life problem -- you are trying to not "learn anything."
Dawn:
"I was not happy about this at all, not one bit."
JJ:
The truth cutteth the ignorant to the core.
Dawn:
"Gods people and true prophecy on one side, Satan's people and false prophets on the other side."
JJ:
God's people are here. So, for your safety's sake maybe you should seek to have some their love and light rub off on you.
Dawn:
"Besides no real prophet sells prophecies, even when they are bound in a book. It goes against the laws of the prophets to make money from the prophecies."
JJ:
I take it then you have never bought a Bible or encouraged others to buy one?
Dawn:
"Anyhow, please keep Satan's teachings of astrology and the likes on your own side."
JJ:
I'll spread the truth as far and as wide as I please, thank you. Who do you think you are? Stalin?
Dawn:
"You see the two witness's -- myself and the other -- are also one of the seven angels with the plagues of God.
"I am the first one, to teach the word to many nations languages and tongues, and I carry the first 'vial' -- or what is known as the plague of the sores. That is [the reason for the] 'bowl,' because we carry 'it.'"
JJ:
Sounds like that would make you the fifth angel. So when are you going to pour your plague out on the seat of the beast and why should we believe you? We've already dealt here with people that think they were God, angels, the Messiah, etc., and you have less credibility than even they. You sound like a person in great delusion with a huge ego. True servants reveal themselves not by making claims, but by their words and works -- the true two witnesses.
Where are your works to substantiate your claims?
By the way, you never answered my question. Who is the other witness?
Here is an except from my "Astrology and The Bible" series:
[Compiler's Note: To avoid further duplication of the content which JJ quotes, the following link is inserted to take you directly to the article he quoted in his post. The article is entitled "Astrology and The Bible, Part One."]
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