2008-5-2 06:27:00
Jody writes:
"Seeking the kingdom of heaven above all else.
"What does that mean? Well, it means what is MY ideal heaven? Not someone elses. My ideal heaven consists of a Heaven here on earth, not in some far off place where only the "GOOD" go or that I have to go through seven levels to get to it. It is a place where my wildest dreams come true. It is a place that includes all LIFE for in all life is the same that is in me and none are left behind. It is Heaven in FORM. It is a Heaven in which all things are possible for all people."
JJ:
I agree with you that we should indeed find heaven on the earth. After all some of us live here as much as 25% of the time. Creating a pleasant situation is also important for that other 75% of existence when we are out of the body.
A good rule of thumb is this. If you have found heaven on the earth then after you die heaven will follow.
Unfortunately, many people on the earth have not found heaven, but will freely admit that their life is a living hell. If their suffering is from physical pain then that will generally cease at death, but other types of emotional hells will follow unless they solve the problems that create the discomfort for them.
As far as going through seven levels to get to heaven goes. This is not something I have taught and not sure where you got this idea. There are seven planes but one can find the kingdom of heaven and live in it in any of these planes. All seven were created by God and are divine and have a divine purpose.
All people are living in at least two planes now the emotional and physical. Many live in three planes the physical, emotional and mental. A handful live in four or more. We do not pass through the planes we become aware of that which already exists around and in us.
Jody:
"Someone once said that harmony can occur through conflict. I see the truth in this but here is how I see it. Conflict leads to those emotions that can amplify that which leads to death."
JJ:
I've had lots of conflict in my life and it has lead to liberation and peace, not death.
Jody:
"Basically we kill off or make everyone conform to the way we believe, and therefore we create harmony but it is only temporary."
JJ:
Who are you talking about here, the Conquistadors? Harmony is not achieved by force. This is suppression, which is not harmony, but the furthest thing from it.
Jody:
"For what happens when one is born who will not conform? Conflict will again arise. So that is not the answer is it?" The one responded, "No, only when you bring harmony through love rather than through conflict will true harmony exist."
JJ:
The harmony that comes through conflict is a manifestation of love. In any relationship mistakes are made and there are hurt feelings. When those feelings are suppressed or denied then love is also suppressed and denied. During the suppression there may be the appearance of peace, but suppression is not peace. Finally when the person is honest and tells of his feelings a certain amount of conflict will result. If both parties are seekers of the soul then the negative energy will dissipate and harmony and love will be the end result.
Negative energy does not amplify when sent toward one who is soul infused. It will merely pass through such a person and be as if it never was as far as he is concerned.
This principle has many applications. This is just one of them.
Jody:
"For my ideal heaven includes all people, my heaven is here on earth, because the one created earth to experience form.
JJ:
It sounds nice to include all people, but many people are living in hell on the earth. If a person is then in a hell of his own making he can't add much to your heaven here. That is your responsibility. When a person is ready to move out of his personal hell then you can assist him.
Jody:
"There are currently many heavens because people believe in many and put a veil between themselves and can't see each other. My heaven includes all those heavens in the here and now. Not separate but one."
JJ:
Good for you.
Jody:
"So I urge you not to believe in the many levels you think you need to attain to get to heaven, the many levels you pass through. Heaven is here."
JJ:
I'm glad we agree that heaven is here, wherever here is. It sounds like you are preaching to us as if we do not believe this.
Jody:
"Start believing that it doesn't take a lifetime or many lifetimes to learn what you need to know."
JJ:
It sounds like you are saying there is nothing else for anyone to learn when one reaches your level. Sounds like hell to me for with each new thing I learn heaven is enhanced and expanded.
Jody:
"For as long as you put someone up on a pedestal, or 'higher' than you, you will always remain in the 'lower' and you will continually believe that person knows more than you and you will believe everything he or she has to say. Start believing in what the ONE teaches you for that is truly what you need to learn and understand."
JJ:
But you seem to want members here to see you as being up there in heavenly consciousness and teaching us about it from a pedestal. You are definitely telling us we are not on the high level of approach as yourself.
Any time there is a teacher he is teaching something the other guy does not know. There is nothing wrong with teaching unless you claim teaching is bad and then go ahead and teach.
Jody:
"I am also learning that prophecies do not have to happen or at the very least, can occur in many possibilities. I ask each of you -- will you put your belief in prophecy for prophecies can only be fulfilled if you believe in them? Do you want hellfire and brimstone?"
JJ:
I've taught many times that predictions as a whole are not reliable and no. No one here wants hellfire and brimstone. What kind of question is that?
Jody:
"From how I see it, if you believe that there are those who belong in hell for their actions, then you are not saying the prayer from love. For why would you not love the ONE who is in all things? Do you repay them by condemning them and saying that they are forgotten by God, or do you repay them with love? How can the scales of Justice or the scales of anything be balanced while you keep them unbalanced? If you keep persisting higher and lower and people keep believing that, then you keep the scales off balance."
JJ:
Why do you keep preaching this to us from a pedestal of superiority? I don't think anyone here wants to keep anyone in hell even though many people have made a hell out of their lives.
Jody:
"I urge you to not think that because you are a certain age, you have become crystallized, and you can only attain a certain degree of knowing and learning from the ONE."
JJ:
So you don't think that any old people get set in their ways? What planet do you live on?
Jody:
"Or, you yourself may have become rigid clay or crystallized as you like to call it."
JJ:
So you do believe in crystallization after all?
Jody:
"If you don't believe me. That's fine. Who am I but a fool. But by all means, do ask the ONE who is not a fool. Make sure your beliefs aren't so rigid, so set in stone, so putting a graven image unto the ONE. At the very least, even if you have set beliefs, believe that he will answer you correctly. That way, you will have created space for him/her to get in."
JJ:
I think you are preaching to the choir here. Members here are pretty flexible and willing to change when more light comes.
Since this is a class you ought to make some comments on the subject that is on topic in future posts.
Suggested Reading:
The Parable of Decision or The Paths to Heaven and Hell
Spiritual Principle 15: Crystallization
Judgment & Discernment
Predictions, Prognostications & Prophecy
Teachers & Students
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