Re: Argument

2008-3-19 13:44:00

Dan first writes:

"JJ as of today:"

Dan then continues by quoting JJ from a previous post:

"Now this probably sounds like a great statement to the emotionally polarized. 'Yeah, man. Arguing is a bad thing. If he doesn't argue then he must really be enlightened.

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"When I read this statement my 'evil' mind reflected on those I have encountered in life who do not argue.

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"If I were to meet Tolle in person the first thing I would do is to try and get a rise out of him. What would he do if I asked a provoking question? Just stare at me with deer in the headlight eyes or what? Maybe he'd just say, 'Peace to you brother -- go your own way and argue with yourself till you find your essence./"

Next, Dan writes:

"JJ of a few years ago:"

Dan then continues by quoting JJ from a previous post:

"Sometimes when you look upon the soul of another person and this person is just determined to aggravate you, it's like there is a handful of people who react negatively to love and acceptance.

"To this handful of individuals, the more you accept them and look upon the pure love of Christ and don't respond negatively to them the more they will come at you and attack you. They will get more and more fierce until you have to get out of their presence. Have you ever met anybody like that?

"So with some people giving love and acceptance is like throwing water on a vampire. It enflames them and gets them all bent out of shape. But to the average person who has had some contact with his soul it will completely change him around.

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"When I worked as a fireman for a couple of years, one time a fellow worker kept doing these really aggravating things. I just kept ignoring him.

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In Message Number 34399 posted to The Keys Of Knowledge spiritual discussion group, JJ responds to the above by saying:

I didn't say I would be negative with Tolle, but to get a rise out of him with a thought provoking question. My friend at the Fire Station was not trying to argue with me but was doing obnoxious things to irritate me. If he wanted to discuss an opposing point of view I would have indeed engaged him.

Then in Message Number 34402, posted to The Keys Of Knowledge spiritual discussion group, Dan responds to JJ's Message Number 34399 above by quoting Eckhart Tolle:

"An argument implies identification with your mind and a mental position, as well as resistance and reaction to the other person's position. The result is that the polar opposites become mutually energized. These are the mechanics of unconsciousness. You can still make your point clearly and firmly, but there will be no reactive force behind it, no defense or attack. So it won't turn into drama."

Then, in Message Number 34404, JJ responded to Dan's above comments with:

Looks like (according to Tolle) we are two unconscious people going back and forth here. Maybe one of us will sleepwalk into a post and wake up. Then we can hold hands and sing Koom Bye-Yah.