Justified Force 2

2006-10-11 14:53:00

Larry quoting me:

Authority and force is a positive thing if it is used to restrict those forces which restrict life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ... Indeed every principle has to be interpreted in the Spirit rather than the letter. This and every other principle can be misused if interpreted incorrectly. This is why soul contact is so badly needed. When the seeker sees through the eyes of the soul he sees the language of principles and will interpret them correctly because he understands the language.

Larry writes:

Before one goes off "in the Spirit" there are principles involved in the use of force that have been enumerated by many thinkers before. This is not particularly new material, although for the most part I have not seen in your writing any clear indication that you understand them. ...I wish that JJ's writing included more apparent understanding of these principles, but in all honestly I just don't see it.

I haven't written about changing diapers either, but that doesn't mean I do not understand how to do it. Neither would it give you cause to unjustly accuse me of lacking understanding of it.

I easily understand the simple details you have related about the use of force and have understood them most of my life. They follow the basic lines of common sense.

I could have written much more about the correct use of force but supplying all the details in what to do or not to do would probably bore the group, which is more interested in basic principles than details behind the principles.

Nothing you have written in your recent posts contradicts the principle I put in writing. However, if I understand you correctly you think that taking in the details you wrote as well as the basics of the founding Fathers would cause all people to come to agreement by the use of mind only--with no need for soul contact.

I see no evidence that this is true. There are many scholars who have all the details in their minds you elucidated and yet they will disagree in many applications of them when real situations come up.

Rush Limbaugh has a good mind and so does Bill Clinton, but they can both take the same details and come to totally different interpretations and conclusions.

I stand by my statement that the eyes of the soul are necessary to understand principles and apply them. Without this soul contact two or more people will sooner or later take opposing views as to how a principle is to be applied because the principle is never fully understood by the concrete mind. With soul contact the two will always see a principle with the same understanding.

You insinuate this going off in the spirit is a stupid thing. It is not, but a necessary thing for two or more people to understand principles correctly and to reach agreement as to how they are to be applied.

The reason that the Founding Fathers were so inspired is that they went "off in the spirit" so to speak. Many of them had soul contact and the great conflict in reaching harmony came from those who saw the principles through the soul conflicting with those who did not. Fortunately for us the soul dominated their conclusions--one of the few times in history this has happened.