Qualities of Truth

2006-1-3 13:55:00

Larry writes:

"You're splitting hairs here. If something has a condition to it this implies something temporary and the truth is eternal."

So let me see if I properly understand this now.

First you said that:

"Truth IS always logical."

Am I then to understand that you mean that being logical is a temporary condition of truth?

No. You are not to understand that from what I say. If you read me to find the "truth" of what I am saying you will find that I mean that logic is a "quality" associated with truth. A quality is different than a condition. A condition is external and changeable whereas a quality is something inherent.

Larry:

Now you say that:

"Truth IS eternal."

Using exactly the same analysis am I to come to the conclusion that "eternal" is a condition of truth, therefore truth is also temporary?

Eternal is an aspect or characteristic that tells us what truth is, not a condition.

Larry:

If the verb "is" in a sentence implies that what follows is a condition on the subject, the how possibly could I come to any other conclusion?

A condition is just one thing that could be implied from "is.". Quality and aspect in this case was what was implied. If you are not sure what was implied or meant you can just ask me and I will tell you.

Larry:

"Therefore, there is no validity, as I see it to your assumption that 'always logical conditions 'truth' in the sentence."

You give this quote as if it came from me. I can't find it in either my writings or yours.

Larry:

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if the—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement."

—Bill Clinton, Grand Jury testimony (August 17, 1998)

Since I apparently did not even say the above it is difficult to respond to this.

Larry:

JJ wrote:

In your last post to Ruth you used this statement: "The truth is true, and nothing else is true." If I placed a condition on truth then so did you. By your reasoning the "condition" of truth is that it must be "true" and "nothing else can be true.

You could say that I placed a "condition" on Truth that it must be true. However THAT IS part of the definition of Truth. I place NO CONDITION on truth that is not already inherent in the definition of truth.

To say that "Truth is true" is pretty much a tautology.

Being true is a quality of truth just as being logical is a quality. Any difference is not worth arguing about.

Larry:

"You're splitting hairs here."

I have sworn to myself to try to not return this kind of statement in like form. Instead it is my goal to remain as objective as I possibly can.

And I have sworn to not compare your words to the much more outrageous words of Bill Clinton.

When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)