2005-12-29 02:14:00

Woody writes:

"I found something really interesting, to be honest, disturbing in my mind. I have been a nuisance to JJ for a while now, so instead of making accusations, I'll just direct you to where I have found an anomaly and just let you make your own decision.

"Here is something JJ wrote in 2005 that talks about Lucifer (in conjunction with Hitler, I might add):

"The Gathering of Lights, Chapter 5, The Lucifer Factor"


Correction. This was written around 1980.


"Here we get a good sense of what Dan referred to as JJ opinion on the subject of Lucifer. Here's the interesting part (I think you will agree). Please read this:

"Bailey Critics Part III"


Here is a part of a previous post where I give some usable information on Lucifer.

The Bible itself uses the name in a positive light. Here are some words from none other than Peter: "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts." (2 Peter 1:19) The words "day star" is taken from the Greek word for Lucifer which is PHOSPHOROS.

Now let us retranslate: "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and Lucifer arise in your hearts." If Lucifer refers to the devil himself maybe the Christian world should burn their Bibles.

Another variation of Lucifer is Morning star. Note the actual promise of Jesus to the faithful: "And I will give him the morning star." (Rev 2:28)  Evidently Jesus will give us the power of Lucifer.

Even more shocking Jesus calls himself a Lucifer: "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Rev 22:16)  Let us retranslate this: "I am the root and the offspring of David, and Lucifer." (Rev 22:16)  Morning Star is only translated as Lucifer once in most Bibles as follows: " How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Isaiah 14:13)  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north." (Isaiah 14:12)  Even here most Bible scholars believe Lucifer refers to the king of Babylon which was addressed by Isaiah. Nevertheless, Isaiah often spoke with dual meaning and this has a definite correspondence to a fallen being.

Lucifer is a Roman word applied to the Hebrew HEYLEL and the Greek PHOSPHOROS which literally means "One who brings or carries forth light." It could also be translated as "one who is able to hold light." Now let us see what the Mormon scriptures tell us about this name. Outside of Isaiah the name is only used once here:  (D&C 76:25)  "And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son. (D&C 76:26)  And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him--he was Lucifer, a son of the morning. (D&C 76:27)  And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!

Notice here that Lucifer was "a" son of the Morning, NOT "the" Son of the Morning." Also notice that it says he "was" Lucifer not "is." He is fallen and no longer can be called a "Son of the Morning." What is a son of the morning?

It is a being who was with God at the beginning, or morning, of time as we know it.

The name, Lucifer, which refers to a son of the morning, is not the name of one evil being, but is a reference to pristine and holy ancient beings who were conscious creators before this earth rolled into existence.

Here is another reference to the Lucifers: (Job 38:4)  Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. (Job 38:5)  Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? (Job 38:6)  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; (Job 38:7)  When the morning stars (Lucifers) sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Now, here is a thought. If the Lucifer that fell lost his status and there is more than one Lucifer (or bringer of light) - that means there may be some good ones out there somewhere.

Lucifer also refers to Venus and for good reason. It has been called the bright and Morning star for thousands of years. When it is visible it will often be the only star (or planet) visible in the early morning light.

Brigham Young made the interesting statement that the first man (the first Adam) came from another planet and that he had already passed through human existence and had overcome all things and became exalted. After he came here he took upon himself mortality to father the race of mankind.

Then he also made the statement that Adam was our God, "the only God with whom we have to do." This harmonizes well with the writings of Bailey and Blavatsky who also teach that the first man came from another planet. They tell us that the Ancient of Days, Sanat Kumara, came here from Venus (the morning star) 23 million years ago.

They also teach that he once lived as a mortal man like ourselves in another system eons ago and came here to be a father and God to the human race.

When the Ancient of Days came here, he arrived with a number of morning stars called Kumaras. Here are Alice A. Bailey's writings about the one who we call the fallen Lucifer: "In every grouping,-whether in heaven or on earth-there is always evidenced a tendency by some units in the group to revolt, to rebel and to show some form of initiative different to that of the other units in the same grouping. When our solar universe came into being, we are told in the allegorical language of the ancient scriptures, there "was war in Heaven"; "the sun and his seven brothers" did not function with true unanimity; hence (and herein lies a hint) our Earth is not one of the seven sacred planets. There is, as we know, the ancient legend of the lost Pleiade, and there are many such stories.

Again, in the council chamber of the Most High, there has not always been peace and understanding, but at times, war and disruption; this is made abundantly clear by several of the stories in the Old Testament. Symbolically speaking, some of the sons of God fell from their high estate, led, at one time, by "Lucifer, Son of the Morning". This "fall of the angels" was a tremendous event in the history of our planet, but was nevertheless only a passing and interesting phenomenon in the history of the solar system, and a trifling incident in the affairs of the seven constellations, of which our solar system is but one. Pause and consider this statement for a moment, and so readjust your sense of values. The standard of happenings varies in importance according to the angle of vision, and what (from the angle of our Earth's unfoldment in consciousness) may be a factor of prime importance and of determining value may (from the angle of the universe) be of trifling moment." Because the name Lucifer is now so rigidly associated with evil instead of light few dare use the term openly, but originally Lucifer was a glorious title.

Even now it is a glorious thing to bring light to others. This principle is behind the entire concept of salvation as we covered earlier.


"Actually, I'll paraphase JJ in the interests of brevity. It's JJ's position that the reason why Bailey named her publishing company "Lucifer" (actually she changed it to Lucis, which in occult circles is the exact same name BTW) was because Blavaski did it. Then JJ explains that the reason why Blavatski did it is because of a joke."


Saying she used this name as a joke totally misrepresents my view. She did it partially to "tweak" the Christians of the time exactly as I wrote in the article noted. That's much different than a joke. She also used it because she understood the true meaning of the word.


"The worst sin - perhaps the only sin - passion can commit, is to be joyless. 
  -- Dorothy L. Sayers (1893 - 1957), Gaudy Night