Common Vision

2005-11-29 00:29:00

JWK quoting me:

As he endures to the end through the final maze and fog the inner sun arises and its blazing flames dispel the mist and all doubts evaporate. After the half a time the disciple wonders why he ever doubted, for he is glad beyond measure that he did not give up.

Those who fell away from the cause return as if they were supporters all the time.

Those who betrayed him retreat into silence and dare not speak as they did before, else they appear as fools.

Those who stayed with the initiate are seen as true friends to himself and to each other and have joy and knowledge of real brotherhood - a brotherhood known to a sacred few.

I find it difficult to believe that any true disciple or initiate would utter the words above. A truly soul centered individual would have far greater wisdom and understanding of the overall creative process than this. These words appear more to have been belched out of the solar plexus of someone harboring a deep insecurity and resentment of non-acceptance by all, than those of an initiate. Just as JJ would immediately recognize the hell factors in the handwriting of a person so would anyone with a background in psychology immediately take note of the above words and what they imply.

Many people feel they have a mission to perform in life but they don't expect everyone to agree with them all the time. Does this mean that this one's spiritual perception is so superior to everyone else's that even if a group disagree through the oneness principle that that one is right and they are wrong because the one is so superior in their, own mind to the others. DK said that well meaning disciples had caused a great deal of damage over the years by just this same process, driven forward by well intentioned but misplaced zealousness.

It's difficult to get a handle on what is bothering you here, but I can think of nothing DK said that conflicts with my statement above.

Of course there are many zealous people of all persuasion with bad ideas who believe they are right, but then there are a few with good ideas that would be beneficial to implement.

No black and white judgment is possible of any person or group until their work and teachings are examined.

JWK:

Does this mean that because some may not support or agree with that one they are no longer his friends even though they bear him no harm.

I don't know where you get this idea, certainly not from anything I have said. What happens is usually the other way around. As the initiate proceeds with his work many of his friends and fellow workers give up on him as well as the project. These often view the initiate as insane or mislead and will often withdraw their friendship.

One who is fairly progressed along the path will attempt to be friendly and a friend to all though he may be limited in establishing numerous personal friendships because of time.

JWK:

They may support him in general, or in some things, but that doesn't mean in everything. That would prove them fools, indeed!

An initiate does not expect perfect agreement in all details but it is important that all workers see the same big picture or else little will get accomplished.

If a true disciple is laboring to complete a certain job he certainly would not expect someone who does not like the labor or the project to work against his will.

JWK:

There are many teachers, disciples, and initiates working in the world today in common purpose and I'm familiar with the work of a number of them. I don t personally see any one of them as superior to the other, or another. Each is very well suited to their particular calling and missions and most will go on against all odds, but this is the only time I have ever heard it implied by anyone, that those that didn't see and recognize the superiority of an alleged initiate would eventually come crawling back hiding the fact that they were fools like nothing had ever happened. Only time will tell who the real fools were, if any. It may not be a matter of fools, but those that were fooled.

I don't know where you see this aura of superiority that you are talking about here.

Let us again use the example of Abraham Lincoln who DK acknowledged was a "racial avatar."

He felt within himself that it was of extreme importance in the scheme of things to preserve the union and to free the slaves in the process if at all possible.

When the war started many thought it would be short and Lincoln had reasonable support. But as things progressed and it looked as if the it would never end many who previously supported him turned against him, There were conspiracies in both the North and the South, in Canada in France and England to kill him.

Then after the war ended, he was martyred and his work began to be seen as one of extreme significance for humanity. Many of those who opposed him acted as if they were supporters all along. Many who were not friends claimed to be his friend. Those who openly spoke against him during the work became silent and did not speak else they appear a fool, especially in the North.

Now did Abraham Lincoln project a smugness and air of superiority? Not really. Even his enemies did not accuse him of such.

Did he have a work to do that he internally knew was right and good to accomplish?

Yes, he did or he could have never persevered the way he did.

Was Lincoln unfriendly to those who had different view than himself?

No.

If someone was an open hostile enemy how was he handled?

In a number of different ways. If possible Lincoln ignored him but if his hand was forced he dealt with them as an enemy.

Did Lincoln think that his work was superior to all others?

There is no evidence that he thought this way, even though his work was indeed important. It only appears that he thought he had a job to do and went ahead and did it.

Did Lincoln depend on others who saw eye to eye with him to get the job done?

Yes. Lincoln did depend on many others who agreed with him in the general principles of the work. Those who wanted a nation divided were not much assistance to him.

JWK:

I'm not prone to give credence to any teacher, but to the teachings they bring forth. The crux of the sixth ray of the past age was based of idolization of the teacher, and the loss of the teachings or underlying idea in the process.

The first test of any teacher is, can they demonstrate what they teach in real life situations. Do they lead from the front by example. The world is full of grandiose ideas, the bookshelves are full and overrunning, and competing ferociously for attention. Hypotheses run rampant, but can they demonstrate their theories in real life situations, that is the question. Anyone can argue, and most fools do.

That pretty much sums up what I have taught here a number of times.

JWK

I am certain that the path and direction we have taken is the Will of Almighty God. Adolph Hitler

Are you implying that if a person believes himself to be in harmony with the will of God that he is insane?

While it is true that the bad guys and the disillusioned often think they are following the will of God but so do many of the good guys.

Lincoln thought it was within the will of God that slaves should be freed. Was that a bad thing?

Notice that the two disciples who fought Hitler were also confident they were following his will.

"We are not content to stand still. As Americans, we go forward, in the service of our country, by the will of God." FDR Inaugural Address 1941

"Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar. As the Will of God is in Heaven, even so let it be." Winston Churchill Radio Broadcast May 19, 1940

"Such inspired leadership is now being given to humanity by Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt, in contradistinction to the focused leadership of the forces of materialism through Hitler and another man in his group. ...These Avatars express the Will of God, the energy of Shamballa..." From Externalization of the Hierarchy Page 301

Hitler ate carrots too but that doesn't mean I can't eat them. He initiated the Volkswagen, but it doesn't mean it was an evil car.

No matter what work is put forth we have to examine it in the light of the soul and then go by the highest we see to be correct.

In closing I think it is important that readers understand as we examine this part of Revelation that we are talking about the work that is seen and attempted by a high initiate following the path of Christ. Generally a work chosen by a high initiate will be a beneficial one for humanity if accomplished.

Compare it to building a house. If a builder works on creating a house which is very usable and a positive creation then this is not to say that others cannot also work on homes of their own design which are also good.

On the other hand, neither does it mean that every house built is good. Some have poor foundations and are built cheaply and fall apart.

If the builder decides to go ahead he does not find those who only criticize to be of much use. He needs those who are willing to work on the building according to the blueprint. With no blueprint the house will be a dismal failure.

The logic here is pretty basic.

Hope this clears up a few things.

To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person.  Bruce Lee (1940 - 1973), Tao of Jeet Kune Do