2005-9-17 19:35:00
My Friends,
I haven't meant to ignore you but I am trying to find time to finish my next chapter in the book. It will soon be done and then we will return to studying the Book of Revelations.
In the meantime I believe I am wrapping up the essentials with Johan.
Johan writes:
DK illustrates the error in your reasoning about the paradox of Buddha. Let me explain:
First of all: While it is right that evidently the lower self never existed and so the physical universe did not, which is entirely True seen from the Cosmos i.e. monadic level, since this is all but a dream; yet the dream life in this dualistic world is as real to each of us participating in this dream. It is as if a computer is projecting a game on the screen, and the (living) figures on the screen only see each other and their surroundings. For them this surreal world is real.
The correspondence does not fit. The figures in the computer have no self consciousness, or consciousness itself, as do we. Neither do images in a painting correspond to entities of consciousness.
Johan:
Take a needle and pierce yourself in the arm. You are not dreaming and life in this dream is as real to you as it is real to me. Yet in an expanded consciousness we can perceive this state as a dream and consider the body as a piece of cloth or as a space suit in order to be here. This now was the paradox of Buddha: this dualistic world does not exist and yet it exists.
Again the correspondence does not fit. When we awaken from a dream we often recall the dream. We can recall the experience within the dream as a real experience.
In the Paradox of the Buddha when we awaken we have no memory because even the dream did not exist.
Johan:
Secondly: You are in error that you assume that once one would have reached nirvana, he would have forgotten all of this world.
That's not my error for I assume no such thing. I was merely repeating what you appear to teach. You seemed to be saying that after we achieve liberation that this world will be as if it never existed. After all, that is what those who use the Paradox of the Buddha teach.
Johan:
This is not true. DK's Call which you quoted above illustrates this perfectly. All masters who have reached the other shore, perfectly recall their past worldy dream and see this dream of humanity evolving. That's why they could offer the Call to humanity in wording or by telepathy to human beings in this world. That's why they are able to help working from the Cosmos or in the Hierarchy.
Then maybe we agree after all. If you agree with me then what is this arugment about?
Johan (quoting me):
What I see is a heavy attachment to earthly things even when it is admitted that the soul is trapped in matter and does suffer limitations.
"How loving of you to make such a judgment with no evidence."Evidence? In all discussions so far there was but one thing clear to all of us, when I touched on the subject of gun control; all Americans here were stumbling over me in order to defend their rights. Talking about attachments ...
But you began the discussion by revealing your powerful attachment to controlling the rights of others to own guns. Because of this strong attachment of yours you are like the pot calling the kettle black.
Johan:
The saying goes: "It takes one to know one." But if one does not know yet the principle of Transfiguration (which comprises several aspects and Mysteries) and the principle of HOW our ego flaws can be transmuted and purified - and these two Principles are the main principles working on the Path to Home - then it is clear that one has not walked this path yet. And so neither can one judge if someone else would have walked it or not for he cannot discern.
Why are you being so judgmental and assuming that we do not know this? Why do you assume the worst in your fellow humans?
Johan (quoting me):"Could you please explain what the Principle of Transfiguration is?"I will only offer the description of the main principle, but I cannot go into the details or revealing the Mysteries in public. It would desecrate that which is divine and from God's hands. It was and still is a secret that can hardly be found anywhere in written form. DK also hinted at that and said that in future it will be revealed plainly and clearly. But it is not yet time.
When people would like to know more and in particular to experience this as a logic step towards Liberation of the spirit soul, then they can contact our group or me privately.
This is the same tactic used by the last group that came here with a similar philosophy.
You claim secret knowledge but cannot tell us about it nor give us any wisdom that indicates you even have a carrot to dangle in front of us.
From your description though it sounds like you claim the key to immortality or at least life extension. Anyone in your group over a hundred years old or does anyone give any evidence that they use the principle of transfiguration any more than Blayne or Larry does?
I give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean well here and you are welcome to stay as long as you like, if you abide by the rules, but some grow weary of covering this topic so many times. It would be interesting to see what you have to say about something other than the topic of duality. From past experience, those with your philosophy cannot seem to talk about anything else.
Because of this I try to limit my response to new items that you bring up. You'll have to forgive me if I do not give extensive replies to you in the future, but this is about as far as the discussion usually gets before everything becomes repetitive.
A man cannot be said to succeed in this life who does not satisfy one friend. Henry David Thoreau (1817 - 1862)
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