Experience

2005-4-3 02:35:00

"Nirvana Starseed" writes:

"I'll try saying this another way. With evolution being a result of time in the perspective of linear form. If you could jump infinitely ahead in time, you can jump infinitely ahead into the future of god's evolution. In full control of time. Evolution has finished, IT is DONE. all in one instant since the moment of creation of god, which has no beginning. God is complete."

JJ:

The problem is that you are repeating a theory that cannot be proven or demonstrated - nor does it make any sense.

If you could demonstrate this and if jumping beyond time was a good thing you would do it and you would not be here. All those mortals who believe in this philosophy are still here. That ought to tell you something.

You cannot jump ahead in time. All one can do is take a rest from time and cease to register it for a while.

Meanwhile time still goes on.

  

Nirvana Starseed:

"My opinion is therefore, the statement "there is nothing new under the sun" is true in all ways."

JJ:

I don't think so.

  

Nirvana Starseed:

"Your interpretation of that truth with your perception could complicate it. but it's pretty simple. A statement of truth in it's highest form....People think by accepting the fact it is all done you lose something. Surely everything cannot be done. you say. Surely there is more to explore...For you there is....But as god it is not so...It is all done."

JJ:

We don't lose anything because creation is not all done. Why would you think it is finished?

It may be true that in the highest realm that all possibilities exist, but that would only be as potential. The point is that we are in this reality and to avoid our part in creation because of a belief that all creation is all ready accomplished is counterproductive.

If everything is already done we are useless and might as well shoot ourselves and go back to the great void and blend with the No Thing and cease to exist.

In a similar vein here is a dialog from Sterling and Susan's list:

It all began with a statement from Blayne who said: The question is what part of the matrix was reality and what part was illusion? The so called real world or the computer generated world? ;)

Here's a thought or perhaps a hint? Perhaps reality is that which we experience.

  

To this a reader responds:

"Hope not. If that is all reality is, then our existence is exceedingly pathetic.... hopeless."

JJ:

If reality is not what we experience then what is it?

Are you saying we will never experience reality?

If we do not experience reality then reality must be something we don't experience.

If we do not experience it, what good is it?

Without experience we do not exist.

  

The reader then responds:

"I think you can have all the experiences you want but if you don't remember them then I would say that you don't exist.

"Reality can be deceiving."

JJ:

Even if you lose your memory you still experience in the present which always exists. But if you are experiencing nothing you are nothing. If you are nothing what kind of reality are you in? Not a desirable one.

  

Reader:

"Yes, but isn't eternity where the past meets the future?"

JJ:

We are in eternity now. The past meets the future now. Fortunately, we are experiencing now. Always now.

  

Reader:

"Eternity is the present and that is why it always exists."

JJ:

And in the present we always have experience.

  

Reader:

"Without memory you have no soul and it will be your past and/or memories that will be judged."

JJ:

The past is never lost and is always available for retrieval and enrichment of the present. The future always exists also, even if one has a consciousness in the Eternal Now. One can only drop the past and the future temporarily. It exists even if our attention is not on it.

  

Reader:

"They say the past is the predictor of the future, then why is it that who write the past (history) is always the victor, and they are writing with a bias slant so it really isn't the truth?"

JJ:

The true past is written the eternal part of ourselves and is seen without distortion when the wheel of rebirth is finished. Writing a distorted version of the past does not change the past.

  

Quoting JJ the reader writes:

"The future always exists also, even if one has a consciousness in the Eternal Now. One can only drop the past and the future temporarily. It exists even if our attention is not on it."

Then the reader continues with:

"How can a future exist when eternity (the now) is all we know and the past is lost to distorted memories?"

JJ:

The past is never lost. There is a permanent atom of the physical, emotional and mental bodies where all is recorded for the individual. For the planet itself all is accurately recorded in the akashic records.

Just as we go in and out of physical incarnation, we go in and out of incarnation into time. When we are out of incarnation in time, time does not cease to exist. Instead, we are just not in time. But we always go back into time where the future and the past are always there to enhance experience.

  

Reader:

"One other thing JJ: Are dreams considered experiences or realities?"

JJ:

Both. You are in the reality of the dream state having an experience.

  

Reader:

"If so then I can alter my eternal consciousness and or create my own destiny that I will be judged on. I really have some good ones."

JJ:

When you are dreaming you are experiencing part of your eternal consciousness. In normal consciousness you have two links that produce self awareness. One comes from the heart and the other the mind. When you sleep the one that is linked to the mind is loosed and the decision making part of yourself goes to higher realms. The heart link stays behind and it is not accountable and not subject to judgment.

All you remember when you wake up are the experiences of the heart link. This is the reason dreams make little sense, because the heart is experiencing without the mind and when the mind comes back it has no memory (except for the heart-dream experiences) because our conscious memories are dependent on the body - until one learns to transcend the body.

  

Reader:

"This (akashic records) is a theosophical term which I do not totally agree with."

JJ:

Then how about the Biblical term which is "the book of life?"

  

Reader:

"I like to think that we in the physical realm, life (us) are organized by light and disorganized by fire. The (Nouns) words 'fire' and 'light' were originally verbs. Our goal and aim is to achieve enlightenment at that is where your personal wave meets with the eternal, or the union of all waves."

JJ:

If you think of light as building energies and fire as destructive then you are speaking of a correct principle. However the building and destruction of form only has the purpose of providing for ourselves vehicles to supply different types of experiences.

There are many degrees of enlightenment, but a big step occurs when we realize that the highest part of ourselves is one with the big wave. At that point the pilgrim declares:

"My Father and I are one."

  

"Trust one who has gone through it."
Virgil (70 BC - 19 BC), "The Aeneid"