True Direction

2004-10-6 06:14:00

The Question:
If physical facts are the leaves and astral/feelings are the branches then it follows that the mind is the trunk.

What and where are the truths on the plane of the mind? Name a truth to be discovered on this plane? How is a truth from this plane used in physical life?

Thanks again for your response on this.

Nirvana_starseed (interesting name) gave a good concise answer on this.
The plane of the mind would be dealing with.....reasoning ability?

So this would be in the calculating reasoning part of one's self? using the logic through the mind with all the understanding known to make conclusions about what is truth.

JJ:
I agree with all this except for one word - "calculating." The calculating part of our being is most closely related to the physical brain and hence the physical plane. However, your words, "logic," "reasoning" and "understanding," transcend the physical plane and are related to mind.

Truths on the plane of the mind are derived from something more than pouring facts into the memory, standard education, and calculation.

John C takes a good stab at examples:
A physical fact is "I need food to survive.

An emotional feeling is "I see that chocolate cake. It would make me feel good to eat some right now."

A mental principle is "Eat your dinner first. If you eat dessert first, the sugar will spoil your appetite, and you won't get all the nutrition you need from the meat and vegetables. Beside, too much sugar is bad for your teeth and your health."

Emotional and physical facts see the present only, but mental truths look to the long-term effects.

JJ:
John is on the right track here. A truth from the plane of the mind is a true conclusion derived from reasoning, logic and higher understanding.

An average detective may use his calculating brain to reach certain conclusions about a crime or criminal. A superior detective will go further and use additional logic and reasoning to come closer to the truth.

An accurate profiler is one who is likely to use is likely to use mind.

A successful businessman is likely to use mind. He has to gather all the data together and then use logic and reasoning to formulate his choice of products, marketing approach and cost estimates.

Mind can even be used in love and romance. The mental person will use logic and reasoning to determine the qualities of a mate necessary to insure happiness and when a prospect is discovered he will use his best mental resources to impress and attract the one desired.

When the mental person falls in love he will not necessarily follow the line of least resistance and go with the flow, but will again use logic and reasoning to determine if this would be a good mate for an entire lifetime. If reasoning says no then he will withdraw and look elsewhere.

In politics we have two candidates running for office. Most people hear a few sound bites and make their choice from them. Others delve more deeply, but make their choice from the feeling nature. Which candidate feels best or makes me feel good?

The mental person will examine all facts at his disposal and then use logic and reasoning more than feeling as to which candidate will do the best job.

Three scientists are examining data received from the Opportunity Rover on Mars. They receive some interesting data that could indicate life once existed there.

The first scientist deals with the facts only and gives a matter of fact conclusion based only upon the obvious.

The second is polarized in emotion and feels there was once life on Mars. This colors his interpretation and uses the facts to support his preconceived notion.

The third uses mind and through logic and reasoning comes up with a conclusion that startles the first two scientists. But even though such conclusion is unorthodox they cannot refute it because the reasoning is sound.

Now several questions are likely to arise here. First, one may point out that so-called true facts may lead to wrong conclusions. Therefore, facts do not represent truth.

Not so. That is like saying that if you have put together 80 pieces of a 100 piece puzzle and reach a wrong conclusion as to what full picture looks like you do not have true pieces to the puzzle. Of course you have the true pieces and you can tell because they fit where they should fit. You just do not have all the pieces.

Individual facts are true, but they do not reveal the whole picture.

Then one may say that I am using emotion in my examples as a method of discovering truth. Not so. In the examples emotion leads away from truth. The truth to be discovered in emotion is not in the direction emotion leads us, but in discovering the nature and purpose of emotion itself.

Finally, one may object and say that the conclusion reached by the mind in the above example are not infallible and could be in error. Maybe the guy uses all the logic and reasoning possible in selecting a mate and his marriage still winds up in divorce. How can we say that logic and reasoning leads to truth?

We can say this because the truth revealed through logic and reasoning is not mere data, but something much more profound.

What is that?

True direction.

By using the logic and reasoning of the mind and incorporating data and the feeling nature the seeker can find his true direction - the one that will serve him best to obtain the desired result.

This will not result in immediate perfection, but a sensing of the true direction will cause him to change course. When we are in a car we may know the true direction to our destination, but we still have to alter the course with the steering wheel hundreds of times before we arrive. Even so, through logoic and reasoning we determine a true course and by making corrections as we go we finally reach the destination.

The next level of truth is the intuitional or Buddhic plane. This is the bridge between the higher and lower worlds.

What part of the tree is this and what is the nature of the truth to be discovered here?

There are no shortcuts to any place worth going. Publilius Syrus (~100 BC)