All Things New

2004-8-10 13:11:00

John C Writes:
This is one part of JJ's talk on the Gathering of Lights.

JJ quote from the gathering: "When you come up with a philosophy that produces boredom, then you come up with a philosophy that is not from God because God is not interested in boredom."

That's quite a lot to think about. At first glance, I agree with it, and I have the feeling that this might be the most inspired thing JJ ever said, but having said that, it doesn't seem to agree with some other things I have been taught at church and even things which I have read in Book III of The Immortal. Therefore, I would really appreciate some additional clarification.

This is what trips me up. In the class, a man in the audience asked whether mankind had had a similar evolution on previous planets, and that this whole process had gone on in the past and would continue in the future. JJ replied that this wasn't true, and then stated the above maxim.

If this is true, what about beings who are more evolved than us, such as Sanat Kumara, and the Christ. Where and how did they evolve and take their initiations? I had always assumed that they were older souls had gone through the same steps which we are going through, only on other worlds.

JJ:
Glad you asked for clarification in case others misunderstood.

I have stated numerous times that there are many advanced beings in the universe who have progressed on past planets and solar systems. These beings are now in a state of progression far beyond us.

The point I made was that when new systems and planets are created that there is not an exact duplication of the situation. God does "all things new" and each round creates a little more a advanced situation to deal with. Our situation in "overcoming all things" is a little different and more complex than was Sanat Kumara when he progressed through our stage.

The point made is that God does not like boredom and does not repeat himself exactly over and over, but the path for each individual is a little different and each new round of creation also has new and different ingredients added.

John C:
I should be prejudiced against that name (Lorraine), because that was the name of my ex-wife.

JJ:
Wow, John - You must really be open-minded.

Lance writes:
I enjoyed this post JJ and I much appreciate the amount of effort you put into trying to get across such concepts as `steps to learning and discovery'. It always helps to understand where you might be relative to others on the road to discovery and I definitely recognize myself as being at what you call `stage 3' However you state at stage 4 that "For many who are below Stage 4 it will seem that truth is a relative thing." I think this is inconsistent with your definition of stage 3, one who is logical and relies solely upon reason will certainty recognize that Truth is not relative, but rather a concept created to define that which correctly corresponds to reality.

So when you state that "The discovery made at Stage 4, however, is that it is not truth that is relative, but the perception of truth that is relative. "

My experience is that this process is a stage 3 discovery.

JJ:
Notice my wording on this "For many who are below Stage 4 it will seem that truth is a relative thing."

The "many" who are below State 4 who see truth as relative are mostly the Stage 2, or the emotionally polarized. While it is true that some State 3s begin to see the absolute in truth that "truth is true and nothing else is true" (ACIM) there are many who do not understand this until Stage 4 is reached where the intuition is opened up.

The mental person is reasonable, but still subject to illusion and if his definition of truth is incorrect then many of the conclusions he derives about it will be warped making truth seem relative.

People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it. Ogden Nash (1902 - 1971)