2004-8-8 03:55:00
I do not know how many times I must ask this question to Clarice, but let me try again.
Would you share with us your definition of truth so we can get a better idea of what you are attempting to communicate? While you are at it give us two examples of truth.
Until we get at least a vague idea of what you mean here it appears senseless to argue with you.
To those of you who feel a strong urge and have a sense of personal mission to convince us that your perspective of the mind is correct let me say this.
Most of the people on the list value mind and common sense even though we realize that there are realms above mind that must be contacted. When contacted the enlightenment received will be logical.
DK, who most of us respect, said this about the Masters of Wisdom in relation to his teachings:
"If the information given raises the aspiration and the will-to-serve from the plane of the emotions to that of the mind (the plane whereon the Masters can be found) then they will have served their purpose. If the teaching conveyed calls forth a response from the illumined mind of the worker in the world, and brings a flashing forth of his intuition, then let that teaching be accepted."
Note that this Master tells us that the mind is "the plane whereon the Masters can be found." He also notes that the goal of his teachings is to raise the seeker up from the plane of the emotions to the plane of the mind.
We respect mind, logic and reasoning here. Dozens have come and gone over the years attempting with great perseverance and ferocity to convince us to drop the use of the mind, but since none of them have any logic behind their words, or offer a path to soul confirmation of such, they have left without converts.
One of the purposes of this teaching and this forum is to teach the value of mind. If some are only hanging on to make converts in the opposite direction of the purpose of this list then I would suggest this is a counter productive and a useless effort as well as a possible infringement on free will.
We invite all to stay who feel the mind, logic reasoning and common sense has value. If someone wants to make an effort to convince us that the use of logic is not logical we will entertain such sophistry with mild amusement for a limited time but then we must get back to the purpose of the list which sees all planes as steps on a ladder which if missed could cause a fall back to the beginning of the climb.
As far as the Biblical teaching of perfection goes I have written a lot on the subject. Rather than repeat myself readers can either go to: Perfection is...?, or to the Archives Search feature, and type in the Greek word for perfection which is TELEIOO.
This will bring you up about a dozen articles dealing with it.
If you read these and still have questions feel free to ask.
If some enterprising reader compiles the best of these into one collection this may also be helpful.
We desire nothing so much as what we ought not to have. Publilius Syrus (~100 BC), Maxims
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