The Word is Truth

2004-8-6 06:23:00

JJ:
But attempting to figure things out is a stepping stone. I have never met anyone (or read about anyone) who has discovered any truth through the soul who has not first done some thinking about the subject or principle.

To this Clarice responds: Truth has no form. It is not something that we can figure out. It just Is.

JJ:
2+2=4 is certainly a truth one can figure out, even without soul contact. Or are you applying some definition to truth that belies the dictionary and is peculiar to your philosophy?

If so perhaps you could share your definition with us so we can know what you are talking about.

Also, if you do disagree with my above statement I would like to hear a truth that you registered through some higher means that you had not thought of or reflected on first.

Clarice:
When you have experienced Gnosis, you have a Certainty, an experiential Knowing that exists within you. There are no words, but to communicate this Knowing, the mind must find words to express it.

JJ:
It sounds like you are not talking about truth here but a process of discovery. Two very different things.

Clarice:
The words are not stepping stones to the Knowing, but stepping stones to communicate the Knowing.

JJ:
I said that the use of the mind and reasoning is a stepping stone to knowing. It is true that words are definitely stepping stones to communication. I think all agree with this.

As far as words go consider this: Anything that is true can be put into words.

The "Word is God" and God is the word. If God is also the Truth then Truth is the Word and the Word is Truth.

If a thing is true and is of God then it is of the Word and can be placed into words.

Clarice:
And regarding Perfect and imperfect: As Purusha explained words are used to help us verbalize what is and what isn't God. Perfect or Complete is an expression of what is God. Imperfect is what is not God. And so God can most certainly do something differently than originally Planned and remain Himself.

JJ:
I know Gnostics see the lower worlds as lower emanations that are imperfect and not of God, but this is a doctrine with which I do not agree.

Why would God create (or allow to be created) a universe too dirty and far removed to visit or care for?

Most esoteric writings including H. P. Blavatsky and Alice A. Bailey give another view. DK uses these two quotes (see below) and obviously sees truth in them.

The first is from Shri Krishna who said: "Having pervaded this entire universe with a fragment of Myself, I remain."

The second is from Sh'vet Upanishad, II.17.

"To the God Who is in the FIRE and Who is in the waters; To the God Who has suffused Himself through all the world; To the God Who is in summer plants and in the lords of the forest; To that God be adoration, adoration."

What do we get from this? That God has pervaded the entire universe and is in the waters, the plants and suffused through all the world.

Or as the Mormon scriptures relate:

"The elements are the tabernacle of God." D&C 93:35

This world we are in is far from perfect.

What does this tell us?

It tells us that God is in the midst or middle of creation and has not yet been able to bring things to perfection. Relative perfection will come, but is not yet.

Man, who is in the image of God, is in the same boat. We are in the middle of a creative process and have not yet consummated it. As such we are imperfect reflections in time and space but moving toward perfection in form just as God is.

Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night. Edgar Allan Poe (1809 - 1849), 'Eleanora,' 1842