2004-5-15 06:55:00
Xavier writes:
"I have written different replies to different people of this list since some days without ending up posting them so here's my last try. I'll just reply to JJ's arguments.
"Contrarily to what JJ said, I took a quote of Blavatsky that did reflect her deep thoughts as everywhere expressed in her books. I have since found nice other ones to prove this case like 'Satan is the grandest of ideals,' 'Lucifer is the Holy Ghost,' 'the Logos and Satan are one' and 'God and Satan' (are) 'identical.' (Volume 2 pages 507, 513, 515)"
JJ:
Did you find these quotes yourself or did you take them from some fundamentalists Christian site? I would
be surprised if you found them through your own reading of H. P. Blavatsky; for if you did you should be
aware that the way you have presented them distorts that which Blavatsky was trying to portray.
Let us go through them one by one:
This is indeed a distortion, and is a fabricated quote. Here is what she really said:
"Yes, indeed; it is this grandest of ideals, this ever-living symbol -- nay apotheosis -- of self-sacrifice for the intellectual independence of humanity; this ever active Energy protesting against Static Inertia -- the principle to which Self-assertion is a crime, and Thought and the Light of Knowledge odious."
Before making this statement she quoted several authors commenting on the fallen spirits (which she
identifies as present humanity and earth as hell) and states that it is a grand ideal leave static
inertia and assert our free will in order to progress.
Is such freedom a true principle to which we aspire?
Indeed, yes.
Again, let us look at the original quote:
"Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the 'Holy Ghost' and 'Satan,' at one and the same time, visible Space being truly filled with the differentiated Breath invisibly."
Here she is giving a fairly esoteric interpretation quite different from orthodoxy. She calls terrestrial
light the Holy Ghost and the space that holds that light Satan.
The question is why would she call space Satan and the light within that space Lucifer?
To understand why she says this one must study her teachings on the subject.
As I've said many times there are a number of different interpretations that can be applied to the
scriptures or inspired words. There are also numerous cycles where history is repeated. The fall,
the rebellious spirits, Satan and Lucifer all have a number of correspondences that can apply in various
circumstances.
We have falls and rebellions periodically here on our physical earth. We are told by DK [Djwhal Khul] that
there was a rebellion in the Council Chamber of Sanat Kumara in the early history of the planet. There have been many
other rebellions up the ladder until we get to original creation and this is where we have to look to
understand Blavatsky's application of Satan here.
Her interpretation goes something like this: Creation itself involved a rebellion against living in worlds
of pure changeless spirit. We are the rebellious angels (or prodigal sons) who descended into matter to
experience and explore. This is made possible by creation through the interplay of light (Lucifer) and
Satan (space).
If you look at the principles that she is attempting to teach you see no evil,
but if we react to catch phrases, then evil can be seen where there is none.
Again one has to look at the context. She is not writing from the Christian viewpoint. If she were this
would be an alarming statement. She is writing from one of several esoteric views which is this.
She is saying that the originating God is pure spirit and all lives great and small that enter into
creation are, in a sense, rebels against the static life of that pure spirit. Therefore, all beings who
have anything to do with entering into creation are Satan and his angels. Therefore any being who is
called God and can be contacted by man, such as Jehovah,
is satanic and part of the original rebellion. But she maintains that it was a good thing that we had
creation and that we came to this earth.
This does not negate the standard (and separate) Christian interpretation that there are rebellions
within creation itself and there are good and evil spirits and light and dark from which we may
chose.
DK expands on this by teaching of a Brotherhood of Light and Dark which have evolved from the Human
Kingdom.
Xavier:
"Yet I believe that Bailey's luciferianism can be easily proven, not with a declaration of hers about Satan and Lucifer, but with a real definition of what luciferianism is."
JJ:
What is your definition?
Xavier:
"What I am pointing at is that the elites who use her teachings as a tool of mass-programming are evil. They're the ruling families that plague us since millennia. They're not to be ignored or taken lightly. And Bailey and Blavatsky are their useful servants, knowingly or unknowingly. B&B do promote world government and world religion. The Satanist elites do promote world gov and world religion. That's all, except that their planned world gov and world religion have all attributes of a nightmare of slavery and Satanism."
JJ:
Most of those who are a danger to freedom
on the earth know nothing of Blavatsky or
Alice A. Bailey.
Just as many in the past have committed evil in the name of Christ so can some commit evil in the name
of any teacher. This does not mean that Christ or any other teacher is evil. Both Hitler and Einstein
had H. P. Blavatsky's works in their library. I'm sure they both also had bibles.
We are headed toward a one world government. This is a natural course of evolution for the planet. The
choice isn't whether or not we will eventually have universal government, but instead what kind we shall
have. It is the eternal struggle of those who value liberty to work toward good government that allows
maximum freedom. Unfortunately many of the best and brightest are sitting back and letting the lesser
lights decide the course of world affairs.
Xavier:
"BTW don't mistake open dictatorship and covert one. Demo(no)cracy is covert dictatorship, and that is the one that is designed to endure forever. You don't fight what you don't see, you don't revolt when you believe that you are free. You're free as Americans, currently, to choose between bush (skull and bones) and Kerry (skull and bones). Bask in that 'freedom.' It is said to be the best there is on earth. Something is amiss here, unless you have no eyes to see. There must be some more freedom somewhere someway, don't you think?"
JJ:
No government on the earth is perfect, but I cannot think of one that has more respect for freedom than
the United States. Outside of having to pay more taxes than I want my life has not been effected by any
dictates coming down by authorities that have effected me adversely for years. It takes a stretch of the
imagination to see myself as being dictated to in some Stalinist fashion as you infer.
This is indeed a lot better situation than one where a citizen must watch his every word. I haven't had
to be careful with my words since I left orthodox religion. On the other hand if you were to stand on a
street corner in France with a sign saying "I support Bush" someone would probably throw rocks at
you.
Why do you criticize our elections here when you have no better choices available in France?
All are free to run for president here. We even have a presidential candidate as a member of the Keys --
Sterling D. Allen.
He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.
-- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
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