Just Effects

2004-2-12 05:10:00

Melody writes :
The way you live your life in this time is based on your actions. The law of karma does not judge or punish it is the law of cause and effect.

JJ:
If the cause is good then the effect will generally be seen as a reward, but if the cause is negative then the effect will generally be interpreted as a punishment. For instance, if you initiate a cause by hitting someone and the effect is that he hits you back both of you may interpret this to be a punishment.

Whether the effect is seen as punishment or reward depends on how we define our terms.

If someone murders (cause) then he will generally pay though being murdered (effect). 99% would probably interpret this as a punishment of some type.

Melody:
Each incarnation you decide what part of yourself you want to work on in order to choose the setting of your life.

JJ:
This is true of disciples. However many average people have karma that they do not want to work on and are forced into the correct situation through their souls. The thief rarely wants to volunteer to be stolen from, so his higher self makes the arrangements so he can learn his lesson. Sometimes this plays out within the lifetime of the crime contrary to the will of the criminal.

Melody:
Now if a murderer chose this part of him/her to work on are we not taking his/her opportunity away to do so by putting him/her to death?

JJ:
How can he work on it in a prison cell? The effects in prison do nor harmonize with the crime of murder unless he is killed by fellow prisoners. Sitting in a cell, meditating, sleeping reading and watching TV does not pay the debt for the crime of murder. A life in prison usually delays his progress because he has to wait longer for his next life where he can be placed in the appropriate situation by his soul to pay his debt.

Melody:
I don't understand how we have the right to kill the killer?

JJ:
If the state acts as an agent of karma and carries out an effect equal to the cause there is no additional karma created. The two forces are neutralized.

Again, let me repeat. If we have the right to put someone in prison then we would have the right to free the person from prison through the death penalty. Why would we have the right to do one and not the other? Who's this mysterious person or force that tells us what we cannot do?

Common sense and logic in examining cause and effect is the final judge.

Melody:
Would it not be better to put somebody in jail and have him/her generate positive karmic credits so that a person can atone for his/her crimes by good works. Just like the person I know is adding good to mankind by saving a lot of life's!

JJ:
Nine out of tem people add to their negative karma in prison whereas nine out of ten improve their situation with karma through death and rebirth. Which makes the most sense?

Even if a person does good works in prison he will do little to pay for the crime of murder. He may pay off other debts from karma if is he is in that fortunate ten percent. In rare cases, if he saves a life by risking his own he can pay some of the debt for murder.

This is an emotional issue and many just feel that the state does not have the right to give the death penalty - just because... But feeling does not make it so. To find the truth we must rise to the plane of the mind and using the powers of logic, wisdom and understanding examine cause and effect for how it plays out in real life.

Another hurdle that makes it difficult to surmount emotional feeling in looking at this is that many see death as the absolute worst thing that can happen to a human being. This illusion causes many to go to extremes to surmount the death penalty. In addition this illusion also causes many to seek to preserve life even though the person is in great pain with no hope of recovery.

If we realize that there are many things that are worse than death then it ceases to be the boogieman that scares us into clinging to life at all costs.

Even Jesus, when he decided he did not want to suffer anymore, decreed: "Father receive my Spirit" and voluntarily "gave up the ghost."

DK tells us that we will all eventually learn how to do this - that when any further physical existence is no longer useful we will just will ourselves to pass on to greener pastures.

Here's a couple quotes from DK

They make a horror out of death, whereas death is a beneficent friend.

Through death, a great at-one-ing process is carried forward. In the "fall of a leaf" and its consequent identification with the soil on which it falls, we have a tiny illustration of this great and eternal process of at-one-ing, through becoming and dying as a result of becoming.