2003-9-27 05:34:00
Felix was gracious enough to respond to my recent post.
Felix:
A 9 year old could tell you that Kucinich is a super long shot of getting the Democratic nomination. It also was not a "prediction of Benjamin Creme", Creme was just stating that Kucinich is the highest hope out of those running for President.
JJ:
Certainly sounded like a prediction to me. Here are your actual words : "Creme has also said if Kucinich gets on the bill as the Democratic presidential candidate, he WILL become President."
This was a definite prediction, but with condition of getting "on the bill" whatever that means. This way if he became president he could say he was right, but if not he could say he never made it to the bill.
Let me just give a prediction much easier to understand. Kucinich will not get the nomination nor will he come close to the presidency in 2004.
Felix:
Labeling Kucinich as "far left" is just another convenient way to break down the humanity of this man. Wake up and seal the door where you maintain the audacity of judgment and the limitation of ideology.
JJ:
This is not just some random label. I would bet that Kucinich himself would admit that he is on the far left. Sometimes far left or far right is good depending on where the pendulum is. This was not said as an attack, but merely as an accurate description of where Kucinich is at the present.
For instance Kucinich (by his own words is for) (1) Universal health care (2) Abolishing the death penalty (3) More welfare programs (4) Believes in big government and wants it to be bigger (5) Anti war in almost every circumstance. (6) Pro abortion (7) Consistently agrees with Greenpeace and the Sierra Club (8) Loves Ralph Nader
I could go on. Several points like this would just put him on the left, but consistent harmony with the many points makes him far left. Simple enough?
If you think that being on the far left "breaks down his humanity" it really makes me wonder why you are on the far left in your positions. Do you also feel like you have lost your humanity? Let us hope not.
Felix:
Kucinich nor Creme are for this so-called "forced" redistribution of wealth, they do support the divine quality of sharing - but it's a shame that you have to add "forced" to suit your conditioned mind about these two men.
JJ:
I've read a number of Kucinich's social "sharing" proposals and they all a "forced" taking from those who have and giving it to the have nots. For instance:
(1) Increasing welfare
(2) Increasing funding for Medicare
(3) Preventing the individual from using his social security to invest himself, even on a small scale. Seems to think the government an do better with our money than we can
(4) Supports tax increases
(5) Supports universal health care
According to the Liberty Index Kucinich is the opposite of a Libertarian.
"Congressman Dennis Kucinich received one of the lowest ratings (30) for personal liberties and received a perfectly awful zero for his stand on economic liberties. His overall score of 15 on 40 key votes earned him a rating of Authoritarian. In fact, Kucinich rated near the bottom of the 435 congressmen rated in the study. According to Professor Thies, an Authoritarian, like Kucinich, believes in a strong state apparatus intervening extensively in economic and personal affairs."
Another point I found interesting is that Kucinich is eager for the taxpayer to give his money to support his causes yet his tax returns reveal that he deducted absolutely nothing for charitable donations.
On the other hand Bush's tax returns show he gave about 12% of his income to charities.
Who has the earned authority in preaching to us about sharing? The one who gives nothing or the one who already shares more than a tithe of his income?
Felix:
Humanity has two choices - share or die. It's that simple. Both Creme and Kucinich realize this and it is also evident to the Hierarchy.
JJ:
The free world already does a lot of sharing with the United States in the lead. I support this as long it is done through free will and not forced by an agency such as the U.N.
Bush is asking for $87 billion much of which is to "share" with Iraq in its rebuilding and stabilization. Kucinich is fighting against this sharing - a sharing which may actually do something worthwhile.
If Creme is (or has been) a member of the Communist party then he believes in forced equality. Kucinich views appear to head this direction.
Some of Kucinich's views are OK in my view. He supports human rights, with which most sensitive people agree.
One good thing about him is that his initials are DK. I guess he can't be all bad.
Felix:
Today, humanity does not fairly share all of the world's resources, and this is creating an imbalance so inharmonious with the qualities of the soul that humanity will, through nuclear war because of separatism and greed, destroy all life on this planet.
JJ:
It's a myth that the sharing of resources will produce abundance. After World War II Japan was left with almost zero resources. They are a country with very few natural resources. All they had was their will and a free market plan presented to them by Edwards Deming from the United States. Using the "teach a man to fish" principle they became a great economic power without the forced sharing of resources from other nations.
The city of Shanghai is another example. This city has close to zero in natural resources, but when the free market, natural intelligence and hard work were allowed to do their work they became one of the wealthiest cities in the world.
By contrast some of the poorest nations are the wealthiest in natural resources. Both Africa, South America and Russia have tremendous natural resources. To develop them they do not need a sharing of resources fort they already have resources. What they need is freedom and a sharing of intelligence to use that which they already have.
Felix
You quote DK, but before you even quote Him you state the quotes are about "atomic energy" - how naive and vain to not allow the reader to determine what DK is talking about, instead, you already condition their thought by your assumption.
Well, JJ, i have a quote on "atomic energy" also - "Let me see if I can make my meaning clear. The stage of atomic energy is largely that which concerns the material side of life, and corresponds to the childhood period in the life of a man or a race. It is the time of realism, of intense activity, of development by action above all else, or pure self-centeredness and self-interest. It produces the materialistic point of view, and leads inevitably to selfishness. It involves the recognition of the atom as being entirely self-contained, and similarly of the human units as having a separate life apart from all other units, and with no relationship to others. Such a stage can be seen in the little evolved races of the world, in small children, and in those who are little developed. They are normally self-centered; their energies are concerned with their own life; they are occupied with the objective and with that which is tangible; they are characterized by a necessary and protective selfishness." - The Consciousness of the Atom
JJ:
You are not quoting DK here, but a book written by Alice A. Bailey, and what's more she wrote it in 1922, long before the development of atomic energy by fission or fusion, of which Bailey and the world at large at that time knew little or nothing. It is also important to note that DK sometimes complained that Alice A. Bailey lacked scientific knowledge.
Bailey here was not talking about atomic energy as is used today. If you read her book you will find that she calls a human being an atom or atomic unit, and his movement, discrimination and choices produce what she called "atomic energy." This atomic energy concerns the individual unit and eventually evolves into group energy or group work.
This treatise has absolutely nothing to do with the atomic bomb, fission or nuclear power plants.
Felix:
Hopefully you're aware that the quote is certainly out of context, but it does make me smirk when contrasted to your "atomic energy" quotes.
JJ:
You can take the smirk off your face now the truth is revealed. Perhaps "red with embarrassment" might be closer to the mark now.
Felix:
JJ, i am aware of your immense support of nuclear energy. The problem with your "rational" claims about it being safe are from results based on the naive and erroneous "facts" of today's materialistic science.
JJ:
My facts are solid and are in the archives for all to examine. I challenge you to find any error in them.
Felix:
Here is a quote from DK to ponder, "I would remind you that the release of atomic energy has had a far more potent effect in the etheric web than in the dense physical vehicle of the planet. Three times the atomic bomb was used, and that fact is itself significant. It was used twice in Japan, thereby disrupting the etheric web in what you erroneously call the Far East; it was used once in what is also universally called the Far West, and each time a great area of disruption was formed which will have future potent, and at present unsuspected, results." - DINA 2
Did a light bulb go on in your mind just now? Hopefully it did.
JJ:
Dream on, my friend. Again you are referencing a quote that has nothing to do with the argument. Here DK was talking about the atomic bomb. In his writings he differentiated between the bomb and the use of atomic energy for the peaceful production of power.
Even so he supported the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan to end the war and the possession of this power in the hands of the free nations as a "saving force." He was certainly against the use of the bomb except as a "saving force."
I agree 100% with him. I have even written up a plan that could eventually eliminate nuclear weapons from the earth - called Project Peace and good will. Being anti nuclear bomb is a much different thing than anti nuclear energy.
The trouble is that many people with little knowledge of nuclear energy do not differentiate between the two and have a knee jerk reaction against nuclear energy with the same repulsion as they would have toward a nuclear bomb.
Felix:
I have read your zealous essay/10 part article on your views concerning nuclear energy and it's mostly sound when today's limited science shines light on it - but when esoteric knowledge shines it's more inclusive light on your article, it becomes a weak piece of propaganda for materialistic science. When science today does not admit, let alone fully realize the 4 etheric planes - materialistic science is not worthy in the world of the unseen.
JJ:
DK tells us the bomb effects the etheric web. Peaceful nuclear energy does not. He compares the explosion of a nuclear bomb to a bee sting for a human. A nuclear reactor would not correspond to anything as painful as this but would be more like eating a handful of bee pollen which supplies the individual with useful energy.
Felix:
It is from my perspective that you, JJ, have misinterpreted what is the good and what is the greater good. I fully agree with DK that the release of the energy of the atom can be used for good and that "atomic energy" will liberate humanity.
JJ:
If you agree with this then why are you arguing with me?
Felix:
He says, "It lies in the hands of the United Nations to protect this released energy from misuse and to see that its power is not prostituted to selfish ends and purely material purposes. It is a "saving force" and has in it the potency of rebuilding, of rehabilitation and of reconstruction.
JJ:
He had the hope that the United Nations would protect the world from the misuse of the atomic bomb and other misuses of power by the nations. This certainly does not refute anything I have said. He would probably be disappointed as to how ineffective the UN has been.
Felix:
Its (atomic energy) right use can abolish destitution, bring civilized comfort (and not useless luxury) to all upon our planet; its expression in forms of right living, if motivated by right human relations, will produce beauty, warmth, color, the abolition of the present forms of disease, the withdrawal of mankind from all activities which involve living or working underground, and will bring to an end all human slavery, all need to work or fight for possessions and things, and will render possible a state of life which will leave man free to pursue the higher aims of the Spirit. The prostituting of life to the task of providing the bare necessities or to making it possible for a few rich and privileged people to have too much when others have too little, will come to an end; men everywhere can now be released into a state of life which will give them leisure and time to follow spiritual objectives, to realize richer cultural life, and to attain a broader mental perspective."
JJ:
This is a great quote extolling the potential of nuclear power. Thanks for posting it.
Felix:
....and DK continues with, "But, my brothers, men will fight to prevent this; the reactionary groups in every country will neither recognize the need for, nor desire this new world order which the liberation of cosmic energy (even on this initial tiny scale) can make possible..."
JJ:
And who is currently fighting to prevent this? You for one, followed by Creme, and most of those who falsely call themselves environmentalists.
Felix quoting DK:
....the vested interests, the big cartels, trusts and monopolies that controlled the past few decades, preceding this world war, will mobilize their resources and fight to the death to prevent the extinction of their sources of income; they will not permit, if they can help it, the passing of the control of this illimitable power into the hands of the masses, to whom it rightly belongs.
JJ:
Have you ever wondered how the anti nuclear groups have obtained so much power - to the extent that they have completely shut down the building of nuclear power plants? We haven't had a new one approved for over twenty years.
The answer is that the rich and powerful, including many corporations that do not want cheap nuclear power to materialize have given many millions to the anti nuclear groups. This money is used for their advertising, legal fees, law suits against the nuclear industry, bussing protesters around, bailing them out of jail etc.
Felix:
If this is so, which i fully agree it is, then you might ask why (like millions of people) am i against the use of today's nuclear energy? It is because it is not the type of nuclear energy that is desirable. It IS hazardous, essentially dangerous and it is not "clean" energy.
JJ:
It only seems undesirable because of the emotional connection it has with the bomb. Nuclear energy is also the cleanest energy we have available with literally no greenhouse gasses. We also have the technology through breeder reactors to completely reprocess all nuclear waste, but lawsuits and political pressure from the anti nuclear groups backed by big money have stopped us in our tracks from using it.
If we can't use breeder reactors and have to bury some waste at Yucca mountain, this is also safe, about 10,000 times as safe as the reactionaries would lead us to believe.
You must have only skimmed my treatise or you would realize this.
Felix:
The right type of nuclear energy is cold fusion. The cold fusion process is the right method of harvesting the energy of the atom. The fusion process of nuclear power is safe and wasteless, it is a process using a simple isotope of water.
JJ:
The "right type?" Where do you get the authority to declare what is the right type of nuclear energy?
When DK was talking about the use of atomic energy which would produce the "good, the beautiful and the true" he was talking about fission ("the splitting of the atom") not fusion (the merging of atoms). He was talking about the current technology.
It is true that he predicted that other types of atomic energy would surface, but, that said, he suggested we plow with the horses we have and use the power of fission which was discovered while Alice A. Bailey was alive.
The big problem with using cold fusion is that we do not have cold fusion available and even if it is developed we do not yet know the pluses and minuses associated with it.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised though if it did become a source of cheap energy that the anti nuclear crowd would find some reason to protest it. Why? Because most of the leaders are anti free market and anti capitalists and cheap nuclear fusion would be a boon for the free market which could destroy their power base.
Felix:
It is important you remember this paragraph that DK has said in Treatise on Cosmic Fire - "One of the main interests in the future will be a tendency towards the elimination of noise, owing to the increased sensitiveness of the race. When the energy of water and of the atom is harnessed for the use of man, our present types of factories, our methods of navigation and of transportation, such as steamers and railway apparatus, will be entirely revolutionized. This will have a potent effect not only on man but on the devas." Bingo.
JJ:
I agree. Nuclear power (using current technology) is clean and silent and has power to give us unlimited electrical power which is also noiseless.
Felix:
And don't forget about the "Technology of Light", which is the ultimate "energy" goal. But i'll refrain from talking about it and cease from side-tracking.
JJ:
This must be some Creme catch phrase which is meaningless.
Felix:
So, to reiterate - today's procedure of nuclear power is an infantile one, this means of releasing the energy of the atom is like a child playing with a complex, dangerous machine. Do not let the "facts" of exclusive, materialistic science make you believe that today's means of nuclear power is the ultimate and greatest goal, because it surely is not.
JJ:
It's not as dangerous as the scare mongers would have you believe. There has not been one single death in the Western Hemisphere due to nuclear power generation ever. That's a safety record that no other source of power can claim, not even windmills.
Using your logic you should not drive a car because something better than the car may come along tomorrow.
New sources of nuclear power may come along, but cold fusion is not here yet - neither are flying cars. We have to plow with the horses we have and the horse we have is the unlimited power of nuclear fission in the new generation of extremely safe power plants.
Felix:
When it comes to Sai Baba, again you prove you ignorance, stupidity, and arrogance. Relying on who's claims that Sai Baba sexually abuses boys? There has been so much junk being said and written about Sai Baba and to believe any of it from hearsay is a dire mistake. Sai Baba is a Cosmic Christ, he is here because of the return of the planetary Christ.
JJ:
A Cosmic Christ who has sex with young boys - against their will. I've studied this carefully and the evidence is overwhelming. There are hundreds of testimonies about his shenanigans.
Just check out these web sites. Anyone who checks them out and still sees Sai Baba as a Cosmic Christ has to be a true believer exceeding the best of them from the Piscean Age.
[Editors Note: The below URLs and the associated websites may no longer exist.]
http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex-baba/engels/witnesses/john.html
http://www.factnet.org/cults/Sai_Baba/exbaba_Sitemap.htm
http://vclass.mtsac.edu:940/dlane/saidebates.htm
(Note: Go to #16 if you want to see video showing slight of hand in his magic. You should have a fast connection if you view it.)
There's a lot of truth to the old cliche: "Where there's smoke there's fire."
Clinton was a good example of this. After about a dozen accusations came forward about his indiscretions you just have to figure there is a blue dress out there somewhere.
"The sky is falling...no, I'm tipping over backwards."
-- Steven Wright
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