The Great Renunciation

2003-9-20 06:23:00

Quoting JJ, Keith writes:

"'Note: Jesus was a fourth degree initiate, but was brought back to life by the Christ....'"

Keith then writes:

"This is a new twist for me, I always assumed that if Jesus was taking the fourth initiation (resurrection of the body), then he would be doing it by himself. Without any help from the Christ. I always thought all initiations were done alone. The whole point being to prove mastery over a condition by harnessing the required energies on your own. The above scenario given by J.J. sort of smacks of cheating.

"This brings up a question about fourth degree initiations. Does this initiation always involve the resurrection of the body? I am specifically thinking of Abraham Lincoln, who obviously never overcame death during his lifetime. So, maybe I have answered my own question. Then again, maybe I have just discovered another problem with ABB/DK?)"

JJ:

The fourth initiation is called "The Great Renunciation." And was passed in the Garden of Gethsemane by Jesus and finished off with the follow through on the cross.

Abraham also gives an example of the great sacrifice when he showed a willingness to lose his dream by sacrificing his son, Isaac.

The disciple has not yet overcome death at this initiation. Instead, he has demonstrated as willingness to let all things held dear go so he can attain the next great revelation.

At the fifth [initiation] the initiate learns the secret of sustaining life, but it is not until the seventh that he masters matter to the extent that it can be destroyed and rebuilt at will.

The Christ went from his fifth, finished his sixth and began his seventh when he assisted Jesus in returning to life. In addition he was able to manifest in any form he desired, even in the form of Jesus himself.

After demonstrating that death could not hold the initiate, the Master Jesus discarded his body and moved on to other work; most probably to the life of Apollonius.